1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: It's Dany Boston's Radio. 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,079 Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to change topics here, and you know, 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: I've been pretty critical of Governor Healy in the last 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: few months on a number of matters, but I have 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: to commend her tonight and I want to talk about 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 2: what is going on at the parole board here in Massachusetts. 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: Earlier this year, I believe it was earlier this year. 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: I could be no, not earlier this year would have 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: been last year. The Massachusetts State Supreme Court issued an 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: opinion which, in my opinion, was issued I guess it 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: was a year ago. In my opinion, was just dead wrong, 12 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: dead wrong, and essentially said that in Massachusetts, the way 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: it works is if you commit a murder, then you're 14 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: you were convicted of murder in the first read, you 15 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: are automatically sentenced to life in prison without parole. One 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: of the arguments that the people that posted the death 17 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 2: penalty made twenty years ago was, hey, look, you know 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: the death penalty is the easy way out for these 19 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: guys these murderers. Put them in a prison for the 20 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 2: rest of their lives meant that will make them think 21 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: about their victims every day for the rest of their lives. Well, 22 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: The only murderer that I know who ever asked to 23 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: go to the death chamber was a Timothy McVeigh, the 24 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: guy that drove his truck into the Oklahoma Federal Office 25 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: building and killed what it was, you know, one hundred 26 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: and sixty people, including children, back in the mid nineteen nineties, 27 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: and he ordered or he instructed his lawyers to drop 28 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: all appeals because he wanted to get it over with. 29 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: Most murderers when they are facing the death penalty, they 30 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: use every possible appeal they can. So what happened was 31 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: our state Supreme Court decided about a year ago that 32 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: anyone who was under the age of twenty one had 33 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: committed murder before. I forget the date on it. I 34 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: think it was two thousand and four. I don't want 35 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: to be incorrect on this, but I think that is 36 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: the date that they could have their murder in the 37 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: first degree decision sentence reviewed. Not that they would automatically 38 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: be released from prison. But what has happened is that 39 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 2: so far in the last year, the parole Board has 40 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: issued fifty one decisions since the Supreme Judicial Court ruled that. 41 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: And again the phrase they use emerging adults those who 42 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: were eighteen to twenty years old at the time that 43 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: they were they committed the murder for which they were 44 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: convicted again murder in the first degree. Okay, they are 45 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: the thirty nine the board has okayed, of the fifty 46 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: one decisions, thirty nine convicted first degree murderers had been 47 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: released here in Massachusetts. That's not a bad percentage rate, 48 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 2: thirty nine out of fifty one. If you could get 49 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: you know, if you could win thirty nine games and 50 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: losing twelve games because they denied parole to twelve inmates, 51 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: you read thirty nine and twelve, that's a pretty good record. 52 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: When you think about that, say, as a pro football 53 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: team for four years, about fifty games or whatever would 54 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: it would be. Again, I don't mean to diminish it, 55 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: but it's a seventy six percent release rate for this group. 56 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: So now, one of the most heinous murders in the 57 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: history of Massachusetts was the murder of Massachusetts Police Trooper 58 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: George Hannah that occurred in Massachusetts on February twenty sixth, 59 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three, in Auburn, Massachusetts, just south of Worcestern. 60 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: There was a group that Trooper Hannah pulled over that night, 61 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,119 Speaker 2: and there were I believe three men and two women 62 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: in a car, and he asked them to get out 63 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: of the car. And when he did, one of them, 64 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: a man named Jose Cologne, basically executed the trooper shot 65 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: him six times from close range. There. It was a 66 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 2: shocking crime. It was a shocking crime. And the name 67 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: George Hannah has lived for many years in the spirit 68 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: of the Hannah Awards, the Hannah Memorial Awards for bravery 69 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: see the annual ceremony that is named in his honor 70 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: that recognizes valor among law enforcement officers. This murder occurred 71 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: forty three years ago. So this guy who was twenty 72 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 2: at the time of the murder and I was sixty three. 73 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: And. 74 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: The Governor more Healy, who is you know? I never 75 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: considered her to be, you know, particularly tough on crime, 76 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: she said, given she wrote to the parole board, and 77 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: I got to congratulate her for doing this. Given the 78 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: extraordinary significance this case, this case holds for our state, 79 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 2: I believe it is necessary to voice my clear and 80 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: unequivocal opposition to Jose Cologne's release. Massachusetts rightly holds Truehannah's 81 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: name as a symbol of honor and valor. Releasing the 82 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: individual who fired the shots that killed Troopehanna would diminish 83 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: the meaning of the very leg we continue to uphold 84 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: and would send a dangerous signal that deliberate killing of 85 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 2: a police officer is anything less than the most hamous, 86 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: heinous of crimes. Now, again, the Parole Board doesn't look 87 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: at this guy as a murderer. He looks at him 88 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: as an emerging adult. He's sixty three years old, but 89 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: since he committed the murder when he was twenty, he 90 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: was a mere child. That was what the state Supreme 91 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: Court ruled a year ago. I believe it was a 92 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,679 Speaker 2: four to three decision. And as I mentioned, the state 93 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: Parole Board now has released thirty nine convicts people who 94 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 2: were convicted of first degree murder. They were sentenced, they 95 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: were sentenced to life in prison without parole. But here 96 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts we never ever ever punished people as we promise. 97 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 2: We took away the death penalty, and now we are 98 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: taking away life in prison without parole for people who 99 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: kill under the age of twenty one. So if you 100 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: want to kill someone, make sure you kill them before 101 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: you turn twenty one. In Massachusetts, I mean that's pretty 102 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: perverse to say that, but that is the reality. And 103 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:22,119 Speaker 2: don't think that there aren't young people, maybe just gang 104 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: bangers whose lives are in greater danger now because the 105 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: potential killers think to themselves, well, I can now off 106 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: somebody and I'll get out eventually. You might take ten years, 107 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: maybe take twenty years, but I'm an emerging adult. Heally 108 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: went on to write, and they're quoting here from the 109 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: Boston Herald article this morning. I'm not sure if this 110 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: was in the Globe. I think it was, but I 111 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: don't have the globe in front of me. I recognize 112 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: that the board must evaluate parole matters within its legal 113 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: mandate and established criteria. The Governor wrote, nothing in this 114 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: letter is intended to lessen that duty or substitute my 115 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: judgment for yours. Although she appoints the parole board. I 116 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: write to state plainly that the nature of this offense, 117 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: the magnitude of its harm, the welfare of this state, 118 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: and the enduring public significance of Troop Ahanna's sacrifice weighed 119 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: decisively against release. For these reasons, I strongly urged the 120 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: board to deny parole for Jose Cologne. Now the Supreme 121 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: court decision that basically set the situation here is Commonwealth 122 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: versus Madis. So we have two hundred people who are 123 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: in prison for murder without parole. We're not talking about pickpockets. 124 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: We're not talking even about rapists. We're talking about murderers 125 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: in the first degree Troopers. According to the governor, Troopers's family, 126 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: including his wife, Marilyn and their three children, Deborah, Kimberly, 127 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: and Michael, have lived with this unimaginable loss ever since. 128 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: This offense inflicted profound and lasting harm. In a civil society, 129 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: law enforcement officers, this is the governor's world. It's not mine, 130 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 2: but I commender for them. In a civil society, law 131 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 2: enforcement officers uphold the laws that allow our communities to 132 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: live in peace and safety. The intentional killing of an 133 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: officer in the line of duty is not only a 134 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: brutal crime against one person. It is a violent assault 135 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: on the rule of law and on the institutions the 136 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: public depends on for safety and justice. Its impact is 137 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: carried across generations by a grieving family and shouldered by 138 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: a law enforcement community that will always remember and mourn 139 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: it's fallen. The award, the Hinner Award reads it is 140 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 2: an opportunity to publicly recognize the bravery of members of 141 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: the law enforcement community who put their lives in the 142 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 2: line by dedicating themselves to safety. Throughout Massachusetts, nearly two 143 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: hundred people have received the Hanner Award, two hundred people 144 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: involved in law enforcement. Heally writes, each year these awards 145 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: remind all of us of the magnet of Troop Hannah's sacrifice, 146 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 2: the pain suffered by his loved ones, and our obligation 147 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: to honor his service. They also recognize that significant risks 148 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 2: assumed by those who serve and the sacrifices made by 149 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 2: families who support them. Troopa Hannah's family has continued to 150 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: honor his legacy in a deeply tangible way, the Governor added. 151 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: His daughters, Deborah and Kimberly, still present the awards in 152 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: his name, keeping their father's memory central to the Commonwealth's 153 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: recognition of courage and dedicational law enforcement. For the past 154 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: ten years, the governor writes, she has personally sat with 155 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: Deborah and Kimberly at the Hannah Awards ceremony and have 156 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: witnessed the pain they continued to endure because of their 157 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: father's brutal murder. Governor, thank you for that letter. I 158 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: will continue to criticize Governor Healy when I think she 159 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: is wrong, but on this point she is spot on. 160 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: I would love to hear from you. I would again, 161 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: this is not something you think about most of you, 162 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 2: if you do not have family members who are out 163 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: tonight protecting all of us in small departments, major cities, 164 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: and on the roads of the comwalth of Massachusetts. But 165 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 2: I would like to hear from all of you, and 166 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 2: I mean that all of you and denounce this court 167 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: decision four to three, which never should have been written, 168 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: never should have been issued. And these inmates who took 169 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: the lives of individuals with premeditation and deliberation and aggravating circumstances, 170 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: and they were sentenced to life in prison without parole, 171 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: that sentence should be completed. Life in prison without parole 172 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: means exactly what it is. But here in Massachusetts it 173 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean that for a so 174 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: called emerging adults. I would like to hear some outrage. 175 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: If I don't, I'll be sorely disappointed. Six one, seven, two, five, 176 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten 177 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: thirty let's go to the owns. Right after this very 178 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: quick break. 179 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio. 180 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: Well, very rarely does my audience disappoint me, but you 181 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: disappoint me right now. Is it that you can't say 182 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: something nice about Governor Heally. Governor Healy did the right 183 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: thing by writing this letter to the parole Board. I'm 184 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: sure that there's a lot of people within her base 185 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: who are not happy that she would oppose the parole 186 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 2: for the killer of Massachusettstate Police Trooper George Hannah. This 187 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: is an abomination. You know, last hour, it's funny we 188 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: talked last hour about people leaving Massachusetts. Well, here's a 189 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: good reason to leave Massachusetts. Okay, you can talk about 190 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: the fact that homes are too expensive, there's an affordability issue, 191 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: that taxes have just continued to go up, a lot 192 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: of good reasons to consider leaving that Massachusetts. But here's 193 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: thirty nine good reasons to leave Massachusetts. And the thirty 194 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 2: nine good reasons to leave Massachusetts are the thirty nine 195 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: convicted first degree murderers who have now been given parole 196 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: by the state Parole Board because of this stupid, idiotic 197 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: decision by the Massachusetts State Supreme Court, which somehow decided 198 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: in their wisdom, their just extraordinary wisdom, that just because 199 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: someone was under the age of twenty one when they 200 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 2: decided to execute a police officer by shooting him at 201 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: close range six times, that that person now is an 202 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: emerging adult and they need to be welcomed back into 203 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: society because they have somehow found Jesus in prison. Well, 204 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 2: a lot of people find Jesus in prison. Some of 205 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: them find him for all the right reasons. Others find 206 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: him as an excuse. They'll find some phony Bologney minister 207 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 2: or priest who goes in there and says, oh, this 208 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: guy's turned his life around. Well, I don't want to 209 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: gamble with thirty nine convicted first degree murderers walking the 210 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: streets of Massachusetts. Well, then I assume being able to 211 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: go to other states and kill other people. This is 212 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: an insane decision. And I just want to again, I 213 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: want to congratulate Governor Heally. She did the right thing here, 214 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: and I had the guts and I have the courage 215 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: to say. I might not agree with her on a 216 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: lot of issues, but in this one, she stood up. 217 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: She wrote a letter that she can be proud of 218 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: that will stand the test of time. And this court all, well, 219 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: the four of them that wrote the majority opinion or 220 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: joined in the majority opinion, they should be ashamed of 221 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: themselves for them to dishonor the memory of those individuals, 222 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: not only State Police Trooper Hannah who was murdered by 223 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: this creep forty three years ago, but life with life 224 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: in prison without parole is what the legislature said was 225 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: the sentence. That's the that's the sentence that should have 226 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: been carried out for each and every one of these guys. 227 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: They were convicted. If there's a problem with the conviction, 228 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: appeal the conviction, I was very much involved with the 229 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: Salvadi Liamoni case. Okay, I know how it works. Okay. 230 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: Is the system perfect? 231 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 4: No? 232 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: Are there people who get convicted wrongfully unintentionally? Yeah, okay, 233 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: and and we can deal with that. But on these 234 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: most heinous crimes, there aren't too many people who are 235 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: convicted wrongfully six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty 236 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty John and Rockport. John, 237 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: you were first this hour at night side. I appreciate 238 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: the fact that you would call and speak. I hope 239 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: in favor of Governor Healey's letter and on in support 240 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: of police and Massageusetts and innocent victims of people who 241 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: commit first degree murder. 242 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 5: Don't you even taking my car? I couldn't agree more 243 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 5: with that letter. I can't believe this. I can't believe it. 244 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 5: Thirty nine people walking the streets that have committed first 245 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 5: degree murder? Yep, what's going on? 246 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: Welcome to Massachusetts, John, Welcome to Massachusetts. I mean, you know, 247 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: we talk about one issues here every night of the week, 248 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: and this is an important issue. I think you know. 249 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: I know that everybody's wrapped up in the Patriots game 250 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: this weekend, which is fine, but this is more important 251 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: to the quality of life in Massachusetts than whether the 252 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: Patriots go to the super Bowl or win the super Bowl. 253 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: This is a matter of life and death. Where where 254 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: peap thirty nine first degree murderers. They've considered only twenty 255 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: five percent of the cases. There's two hundred cases that 256 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: are eventually going to go in front of the parole 257 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: bo They have released thirty nine of the fifty two, 258 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 2: which is a seventy six percent release rate. 259 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 5: There's one hundred possibility. There's a possibility they'll do it again. 260 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, there's a possibility. But what is even more 261 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: frightening is that our state Supreme Court when they they 262 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: they considered fifty cases, they released three quarters of them. 263 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: They have another one hundred and fifty. I suspect that 264 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 2: they'll release three quarters of those cases as well. Oh my, 265 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 2: so we're going to have more than thirty nine. I mean, 266 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 2: and if they do release this Jose Cologne who murdered 267 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 2: you know, Troopehanna, who had the audacity to pull the 268 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 2: car over on that nine in nineteen eighty three in Arburn, Massachusetts, 269 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: and he basically they executed this police. 270 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 5: Officer shot him six times. 271 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, six times? Yes, absolutely absolutely. 272 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 5: I feel so if I can right, please tell the 273 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 5: hand of family. I'm so sorry, and I'm praying to 274 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 5: God that you know what I mean, they can get 275 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 5: through this. They probably they can't. They lost their father. 276 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 2: Well, they've gone through this so many times now with 277 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: parole hearings, and now they have a parole hearing that 278 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: there's so many families that you know, in a murder 279 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: case where someone gets parole, you can parole eligible second 280 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: degree murder fifteen years in Massachusetts. They took away the 281 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: death penalty about twenty five years ago, and now they 282 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 2: are taking away first degree murder for anyone under the 283 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: age of twenty one. So if you get into a 284 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 2: beef with someone under the age of twenty one and 285 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 2: they think they're gonna kill you, just give them your money, 286 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: give them the car, whatever you want, because they're gonna 287 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 2: be smart enough to know they are never gonna go 288 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 2: away for life without parole. 289 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 5: They are gonna happen in the role the courts say 290 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 5: they're emerging adult. 291 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: That's the phrase they're using. What are you commis? What 292 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: a euphemism? An emerging adult? John, thank you so much 293 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: for your support. I appreciate it. I hope they hear 294 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: her family's listening. Okay, thanks John, Okay, thank you, Dan. 295 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: Good night boy. I'll tell you six one, seven, two, five, 296 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten 297 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: thirty Why people are not jumping at their phones on 298 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 2: this one I don't understand. But guess what. This is 299 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: the state you live in, This is where and I 300 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 2: don't know if people are not smart enough to understand this. 301 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: I can't believe that we have the news at the 302 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 2: bottom of the eyre will take a news break h 303 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 2: this is an opportunity for you to say thank you 304 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 2: to the governor. I don't care if you disagree with 305 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 2: every position she's ever taken. Why would you not commend 306 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: her for this? This was an incredibly well written and 307 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 2: well reasoned letter. And as I say, I am not 308 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 2: her biggest supporter, but when she's right, she needs to 309 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: have our support and without you know, we can go 310 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: open lines of this boys six one seven, six one, 311 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: seven thirty coming right back on night Side. 312 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on wb Boston's news radio. 313 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: I'm confused here. I'm totally confused by the fact that 314 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: these lines are not red hot because this is an abomination. 315 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 2: What is being done not only to the hand of family, 316 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 2: the fact that even the hand of family has to 317 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 2: sit has to sit at another parole hearing for this 318 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 2: piece of garbage. UH is beyond me. Uh. And why 319 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: we here in Massachusetts will sit back even when we 320 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: have a governor who on this issue is done the 321 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 2: has done the right thing and has spoken. I'm sure 322 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: there are people in her base, you know, who disagree 323 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 2: with this, but she's done the right thing. Let me 324 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: go to Eileen and Cambridge. Eileen, I appreciate your calling 325 00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 2: in your thoughts on this one. 326 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 4: I lean, well, I just felt it was absolutely necessary 327 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 4: to call in on this. You asked us to call in, 328 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 4: and and I I am really terrified to drive through 329 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 4: certain areas of Boston because I don't want to come 330 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 4: up against somebody with a gun. Yeah, And it's scary 331 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 4: out there, and. 332 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: It is very Look, look, this does not this does 333 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 2: not augur. Well. Uh. And I don't think you have 334 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 2: a thing to worry about, Eileen. And I mean that 335 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 2: when I say that to you. Honestly, I think that 336 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: what this court decision has done, in my opinion, besides 337 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: giving first degree murderers, some two hundred first degree murderers 338 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: or so called emerging adults a chance to rejoin society, okay. Uh. 339 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 2: And I don't care if if I am not a 340 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: bleeding heart. Uh And on this issue, I don't think 341 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: mar Heally is a bleeding heart. I'll tell you who 342 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: should be concerned. Anybody who's young, uh and and finds 343 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: themselves out on the streets, you know, dealing in these 344 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 2: sort of country. Read about it all the time. You 345 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: know that that two people were shot and one people died. 346 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: Uh in a in a in a in a in 347 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: an incident that might have been involved in some sort 348 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 2: of a gang shootout. 349 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:41,239 Speaker 3: Uh. 350 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: These these kids, when they when they realized that that murderers, 351 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 2: first degree murderers are going back on the street, their 352 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 2: attitude is going to be I'll do whatever I want. 353 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 2: There was a police officer, corrections officer who told me 354 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: many years ago. He said, the reason that most there 355 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: were so many kids who were involved in gangs and 356 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: drug activities and gun activities, He said, they don't think 357 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: they're going to live past twenty. So therefore they don't 358 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: feel they have anything to lose if they shoot and 359 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: kill someone, because you know, their lifespan is not what 360 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 2: your lifespan is, or mine, or the average lifespan. The 361 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: average it's twenty. And here we have the Governor of 362 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 2: the Commonwealth who's no bleeding heart, who has taking a 363 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: really strong stand. And I would hope that, but I'm 364 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 2: not satisfied that my audience would would say, Hey, whether 365 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: you agree with Governor Heally on other issues or not, 366 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: she did the right thing here and she's fighting this 367 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 2: and she's told the prole board this guy should not 368 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: get out. He executed a police officer he executed a 369 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: police officer. He should not. 370 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 4: She did the right thing, and you did the right 371 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 4: thing by bringing it up on the radio. That's shocking 372 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 4: to hear that there are people, young people who don't 373 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 4: believe they'll live past the age of twenty. 374 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. No. I have a friend of mine, a dear 375 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: friend who's a probation officer, who twenty years ago, he 376 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: told me that. He said, Dan, I said, how come 377 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:25,959 Speaker 2: these kids are going out joining gangs, getting involved in shootouts. 378 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not happening in Wellesley and Weston, as 379 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: you know, It's happening often, most often in the inner city. 380 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 2: And I think that there's a lot of people who 381 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 2: don't care. I care about these kids' lives. If you're fifteen, sixteen, 382 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 2: eighteen years old and you're growing up in Wellesley and 383 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: parents and Weston with two parents in your family, you know, 384 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: you probably are guided. You're probably going to do some 385 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: dumb things. But the dumbest thing you might do is 386 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: start smoking marijuana. You know, are having a b uh, 387 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 2: but you're not out with a gang bank as a 388 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: gang banger. And I don't think a lot of people care. 389 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: I think they look at those people, those those young 390 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 2: people in places like Roxby, Dorchester, Mattapan as collateral damage, 391 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 2: and you know they don't particularly care. And I think 392 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 2: I do, and I know you do, and I think these. 393 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 5: Are the people who. 394 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: I'm worried about. 395 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 4: You know, so right, And I don't want to drive 396 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 4: through those areas of Boston. And if Trump is going 397 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 4: to send troops in to keep order, that there's a 398 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 4: good place to start, I would. 399 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: Think, well, there's a lot of good places to start, 400 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 2: that's for sure. I lean. I thank you so much 401 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: for calling in tonight. You've restored my faith a little 402 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: bit in my audience. But there's a lot of voices 403 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: that I would have expected would have popped these lines 404 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 2: and as quickly, a lot quicker than that. Thank you, Eileen. 405 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: Will talk soon. Okay, thanks so much happening. 406 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you for bringing this up. 407 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 2: Okay, thank thanks, thanks for joining us. Thanks. Let me 408 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 2: go next to We're gonna go to John in New York. Hey, John, 409 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 2: I know that you're in another state, but if it 410 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 2: can happen in Massachusetts, believe me, it can happen in 411 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 2: New York as well. 412 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 6: Yes, uh, Dan, good evening. 413 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 7: I'm really in shock here in this. I just turned 414 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 7: the radio along. I can't believe what I'm hearing. These 415 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 7: people in the court, each psychiatric help many. 416 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 2: They are they are detached from reality. Okay, you know 417 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 2: all of them are political. Point and by and by 418 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: the way, let me very be very clear. Many of 419 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 2: the people on this in this decision in the Massachusetts 420 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: State Supreme Court. I'm not gonna be arguing any cases 421 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 2: in front of the State Supreme Court anytime soon. But 422 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 2: many of these individuals were appointed by Republican by by 423 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 2: Charlie Baker. Some were appointed by Governor Heally. But but 424 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 2: this is not like a bunch of seven h you know, 425 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: we have a seven member Supreme Court. It's not as 426 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: if you have seven crazy rest of Democrats. Some of 427 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 2: these are Republicans. And they decided that if you've killed 428 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: somebody murder in the first degree, and you're under the 429 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 2: age of twenty one, even though you were sentenced to 430 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: life in prison without parole, you have a right, you 431 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: have a right to get a parole hearing now. And 432 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 2: the Parole Board has released thirty nine out of fifty 433 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: two first degree murderers, and they still have another one 434 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty to deal with that's a seven hundred 435 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 2: and sixty. Well, that's a seventy six percent rate in 436 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 2: baseball terms, that's a batting average of seven sixty. 437 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 7: Crazy, you know, Dan, if it's really true, if your 438 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 7: first degree murder, that's proven that it's the total truth. Yeah, 439 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 7: you should be sitting in an electric chair, and they 440 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 7: should tell avise it so people see what's going to 441 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 7: happen to you when you misbehave yourself like that. 442 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: Well, we get rid of the death penalty in Massachusetts. 443 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 2: You don't have the death penalty in New York. And 444 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: one of the arguments was, oh, make the stay in 445 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: prison for the rest of their lives because the death 446 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 2: penalty is the easy way out. Well, the only murderer 447 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 2: that I know that ever said give me the chair 448 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 2: was Timothy McVeigh. Everybody else fights it tooth and nail. 449 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 2: And now first degree murderers are being released at a 450 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 2: rate of seventy six percent in Massachusetts. What is it 451 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 2: about that number that my audience doesn't understand. 452 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 7: Because Donald Trump had the power by executive more to stop. 453 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 2: No, sir, no, sir no, that's that's a ruling from 454 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: the Massachusetts State Supreme Court. 455 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 7: But he is the power to pardon people in prison? 456 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: We can well, no, he is. He has the right 457 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 2: to pardon people in federal prison. He doesn't have the 458 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 2: right to pardon people who are convicted in the states, 459 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 2: in the courts of Massachusetts or the courts of New York. Okay, 460 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 2: Nor does he have a chance to come in as 461 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 2: as emperor and override the Massachusetts State Supreme Court. That's 462 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 2: the problem. That's the problem, Jokay, joy Man, I thank 463 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:09,959 Speaker 2: you for joining us. 464 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 7: Listen, not gonna go quick. I know you have other people, 465 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 7: but the thing is you're in the position. You have 466 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 7: the power that brought gestation. If you want to, you 467 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 7: can pursue getting all the audience to rebel against this. 468 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 7: You have the power, work on it. 469 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: Well, I have. I have the power, John, But the 470 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 2: only power I have is when people decide to join 471 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: the conversation, and if they don't have enough guts to 472 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 2: call in on this issue, I'm I'm just stunned, to 473 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 2: be honest with you, I thought that the phone lines, 474 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: the phone lines are starting to fill up, But I 475 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 2: figured the phone lines would have been filled when we 476 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: began to talk about this. This was a high profile 477 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 2: murder in Massachusetts of a state police who was executed. 478 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: He was more than murdered, he was executed. And I 479 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: hate to say that, but that's the truth. But John, 480 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I appreciate Dan. All right, thank you 481 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: very much. John. I will fight as long and as 482 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 2: hard as I can. It's as simple as that. But 483 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 2: when people are sitting on their hands at. 484 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 7: Home tonight, yeah, Dan, don't just just things fight tonight 485 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 7: being up some other knights. Maybe the people just aren't 486 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 7: listening and it's just a coincidental thing. 487 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 2: There's plenty of people listening. We have a good idea, John, 488 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 2: how many people listening. But a lot of people don't 489 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 2: have the guts or the backbone to call and uh 490 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 2: and raise their voice because they're afraid that that some neighbor, 491 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: some friend of theirs might disagree with them, and they 492 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 2: might they might hear them. Oh my god. If I say, 493 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 2: you know, you have some courage. You don't care if 494 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 2: someone recognizes your voice and says, hey, John, I heards 495 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 2: you in the radio the other night. So anyway, John, 496 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 2: thank you much. John, appreciate Thank you, my friend. The 497 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: only line that's open is two right here, six one, seven, 498 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 2: nine three ten thirty. If you have the guts to 499 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 2: call in, great, if you don't want to stay cowering, 500 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 2: coming back on my side. 501 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: You're on night side with Dan Ray. I'm Austin's News Radio. 502 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: I look at the transcript of someone who called the station, 503 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: and I give her courage. She said, oh, she said, Uh, Dan, 504 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 2: I think in this case I might disagree with you 505 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 2: and with Mara Heally. I mean, you know, it's not 506 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 2: like you know, he's being let out in his thirties. 507 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 2: He's in his sixties, and he has, you know, been 508 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: in prison all these years. You know, he hasn't Maybe 509 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 2: you don't think that was punishment was enough. I know, 510 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, anyway, I'm gonna see if anybody 511 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 2: else will stick up for him in any way, you know. 512 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't make it right what he did. Oh, 513 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 2: thanks for that concession. But I don't know, Dan, I 514 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 2: really don't know. I don't know. Well, listen to see 515 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,959 Speaker 2: what other people have to say. Hey, guess what you 516 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 2: had the courage to at least leave me a voicemail. 517 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 2: You disagree with me, and you disagree with the governor, 518 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 2: that's fine, we should call Let's go next too. We're 519 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 2: gonna go Rick and Bill, Rick or Rick you next 520 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 2: one nights welcome. 521 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 6: I want you Dan. 522 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: I'm a little lefset right now. Rick, thank you for 523 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: calling in. 524 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 3: Well you've met it pretty queer that you are. So 525 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 3: this is what I have to say. I am anti 526 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 3: death penalty. However, I'm not anti keeping somebody in prison. 527 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 3: You know, in this case he needs to stay. And 528 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 3: if he finds God, fantastic, Yeah, because you know you 529 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 3: want to do that before you die. Yeah, if he 530 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 3: does great things. But yeah, So I am anti death penalty. 531 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 3: I always, I have been for the longest time. 532 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 2: My position, my position and the death penalty. Rick, And 533 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 2: again there's I just want to say. It's so people 534 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 2: understand I'm clear. I'm very limited on the death penalty. Uh. 535 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 2: If there is a case, and there are cases where 536 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: there is not a sentilla of doubt, the standard is 537 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. No, I want to make 538 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 2: sure it's beyond a sentilla of doubt out and there's 539 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 2: no question of who the person was. And then there 540 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 2: are aggravating circumstances. I think about the case in Connecticut, 541 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 2: which I've alluded to before. You probably familiar with it 542 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 2: where these two bombs went into a house. They tied 543 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: up a doctor, put him in the basement of the house. 544 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,479 Speaker 2: They raped his wife, raped his daughters, tied the daughters 545 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 2: to a bed. They then took the wife. One of 546 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 2: them took the wife to a bank to withdraw some money. Somehow, someway, 547 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 2: she was able to make eye contact with a teller. 548 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 2: The teller called police. By time they got back to 549 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 2: the house, they were in the house. They had soaked 550 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 2: the beds of the two young girls with gasoline. They 551 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: lit the girls on fire. They died in the fire. 552 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 2: The husband was able to somehow escape. They were caught 553 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: fleeing the house. So no doubt about their crime, no 554 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 2: doubt about their guilt, and certain aggravating circumstances. They are 555 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 2: my poster child, my poster boys for the death penalty. 556 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 2: And I respect your opinion. 557 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 3: You I'm sure, I respect what you just said. I mean, 558 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 3: I'm yeah, I mean, you know when you think about. 559 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 2: That, well, that was the case. That's a specific case 560 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 2: out of Connecticut. But again, but I have a standard, 561 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 2: and that is there's not a scentilla of doubt. They 562 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: were caught fleeing the house. They were identified by the wife. 563 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 2: Identified by the husband, the two daughters burned to death 564 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 2: in their beds. They were tied into their beds and 565 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 2: soaked with gasoline. But I'm not trying to change your 566 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 2: point of view on it. I just thank you for calling. 567 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 2: And I don't think this guy who murdered a police 568 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 2: officer in cold blood at the age of twenty, because 569 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 2: he now is considered an emerging a doubt, whatever the 570 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 2: hell an emerging adult is, deserves a second chance. He 571 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 2: deserves to spend the rest of his life and die 572 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: in prison as he was sentenced. 573 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 3: Well that's true. And also, how about you know, I 574 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 3: shouldn't bring up Matthew Curly. That's just the most disgusting. 575 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 3: Fewer people die compared to the Connecticut murder, but Matthew 576 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 3: Curly is another example absolutely of just despicableness. And it's 577 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 3: not that they the sent tail of adult, that it 578 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 3: was them before you send them to their death. But 579 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 3: once you find that out and you know that they 580 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 3: did it just because for the hell. 581 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 2: Of it, oh well, well they still They stole his 582 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 2: his bicycle, then they bought him a bicycle to to 583 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 2: befriend him. They raped him, and they buried him in 584 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 2: a barrel of cement and dumped the barrel into a river. 585 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 2: And I think it was New Hampshire, Maine. 586 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was talking about the Connecticut one. But but yeah, 587 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 3: I know about Matthew. Yeah, I know. It's just it's 588 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 3: it's a lot to think about. That's you challenge my, my, my, my, 589 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 3: my belief against the death penalty when we talk about this. 590 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 3: It actually it challenges it, all. 591 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 2: Right, No problem. I appreciate. I appreciate you call very much. 592 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 2: You're a man of courage, and I thank you. Let 593 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 2: me keep going here. I've got to get some more 594 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 2: folks in. Okay, let me get compline real quickly. Jack 595 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 2: is in Westford, Massachusetts. Jack, You're next on night side. 596 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 6: Hey Dan, thanks. This whole thought process by any judge, 597 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 6: jure or judicial person is sickening. How many how many 598 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 6: seventeen year olds do you know? The older you get, 599 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 6: you probably know fewer. How many of those seventeen year 600 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 6: olds would be an armed robber? Maybe none? And then 601 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 6: how many of those would be like capital criminals, probably 602 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 6: even fewer than point percent. So the fact that someone 603 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 6: would even devote any bit of their time to special 604 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 6: conditions for someone such a minority. That they're even gonna 605 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 6: consider word salad of merging adult is sickening. Dan, you 606 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 6: got it, sickening. 607 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 2: Totally, you totally got it. Look, Jack, I appreciate by 608 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 2: the way, our last caller, Rick was referring to Jeffrey 609 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 2: Curly who was murdered. Yes, you know, back in nineteen 610 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:09,399 Speaker 2: ninety seven I covered that murder Salvatory Sakari twenty one 611 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 2: in Charles James twenty two. They were horrible, horrible human beings. 612 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 2: If they were a year or two younger, they'd be 613 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 2: eligible parole. Too. Unbelievable, Jack, thank you, thank you so much. 614 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Let me get Lisa and Addamborough. Lisa next, 615 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 2: on nice side. We're running out of time, Lisa Garret ahead, 616 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 2: thank you. 617 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 8: For calling Hi, Dan, thanks for taking my call for me. 618 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 8: The fact that we're even discussing this is ridiculous. This 619 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 8: was a cold blood of murder. 620 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 2: YEP. 621 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 8: I understand people change, you know, I've changed in my life. 622 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,240 Speaker 8: I'm not the same person I was. But you literally 623 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 8: shot someone. 624 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 2: In cold blooded six times, six times, and. 625 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 8: I can't give Maura Haley any kudos. I feel like 626 00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 8: she's doing this because people are watching. 627 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 2: Oh you know what, look if look, if I'll disagree 628 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 2: with you, Matt, and I appreciate your honesty. I really 629 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 2: appreciate your call. You were one of the people who 630 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 2: had the courage to call tonight, and I thank you 631 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 2: for that as well. And I mean that seriously. But 632 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 2: I when when someone's right, I don't care who it is. 633 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 2: And I've been critical of her. If I if I 634 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 2: wasn't supportive of her here, I'd be a hypocrite. And 635 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 2: I'm not a hypocrite. 636 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 8: Okay, okay, Uh can I just say one more thing 637 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 8: about Lauren the illegal immigrant? And I'm I'm all for 638 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 8: people coming to this country legally, but the fact that 639 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 8: you are we're a sanctuary city, Maura Haley must have 640 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 8: an extra bedroom. She must have an extra bedroom for 641 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 8: the rapists and the and the killers. Just just give 642 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 8: them some someplace to sleep. Mara. I mean, all right, 643 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 8: that's how I feel about it. 644 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 2: I understand the feeling. We'll disagree on on whether she 645 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,439 Speaker 2: should be commended for what she did in this letter. 646 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 2: I think she should, thank you very much. Rob. How 647 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 2: much time do we have left? Thirty seconds? Okay? The 648 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,240 Speaker 2: callers who are on the line please a minute thirty. Okay, Dolly. 649 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, he says, a minute thirty. I 650 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 2: can give you about thirty seconds. Go right ahead. 651 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 5: You called lake going anyway, Dan? 652 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 4: With that my voicemail you were talking about, Yes it was, 653 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 4: Yes it was. 654 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 5: It takes courage, because. 655 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 2: It takes takes more courage to call up and agree 656 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 2: with everybody you know. 657 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 3: Oh but that terrible case you talked about, Dan. 658 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 4: Oh my god, I didn't know about that case about 659 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 4: the girls burnt yeah. 660 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 2: In their beds, tied up and soaked with castlete. 661 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 4: I wonder if. 662 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 2: The chess Hire, Connecticut. Chess Hire, Connecticut, it was where 663 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,879 Speaker 2: the case took place, Dottie, I'm flat out of time. 664 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 2: I thank you as always for both the voicemail and 665 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 2: the call. Thank you very much. 666 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 4: Thanks, good bye, bye bye. 667 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 2: All right, we're done for the night. I don't know 668 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 2: if I'm going to do a night side Facebook post game. 669 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 2: I'll figure that out in a couple of minutes. I'm 670 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,959 Speaker 2: back tomorrow night. I don't quit. I don't quit. Neither 671 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 2: does Rob. We'll both be back tomorrow night. To the 672 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 2: call is where the guts to call. Thank you to 673 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 2: those who didn't call I'm ashamed of the lack of courage. 674 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 2: All dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's 675 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 2: why pal Charlie Rays, who passed fifteen years ago in February, 676 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 2: That's why your pets are pasted. They loved you and 677 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 2: you love them. I do believe you'll see them again. 678 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 2: We'll see gain tomorrow night or nightside. Everyone, thanks for listening.