1 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: Here comes Ben Geslin covers the Minnesota vikings for the 2 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: Star Tribune and Star Tribune dot com. Uh The segments 3 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: are provided by Standard Heating and Air Standard Heating dot 4 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: Com to learn more online. And you know we we 5 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: we call Ben the scribe here nine to now. 6 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: But like if Snoop. 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Doggie dog were doing the show, he would welcome every 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 1: buddy back by saying, here comes the squizzle. And I 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: understand there's a Snoop Doggie dog tie to something that's 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: transpiring in your household today and good morning. 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: Good morning. Yes, my my daughter Greta turns eleven today. 12 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Greta h Button. Yeah, that's Button weekly newsletter. Yes, 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: so she's she is not a fan of Soop Dogg. 14 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 2: Just I think during the Olympics last year when he's everywhere. Yeah, 15 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: she's like, oh my gosh, why a Snoop Dogg everywhere? So, 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: you know, typical father that I am like, Okay, this 17 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: seems like something that could be kind of annoying. 18 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: So I probably she's not a fan of Snoops. Yeah, 19 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: Like you know, if you see him and do you 20 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: call her grizzle? 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: I haven't, but I might start to because she won't 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 2: like it, right, So you know, she's getting that age 23 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 2: where you know, I've got a thirteen and an eleven 24 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 2: year old now, so it's like the payoff of diaper 25 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: changes is now when you're teenager tween, I can annoy you. Yeah, 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 2: it's kind of fun. So Happy birthday, Greta. And I'm 27 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: sorry for the additional Snoop Dogg references that may be 28 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 2: coming your way in the near future. 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: So so with birthday dinner tonight or whatever goes into 30 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: Greta's birthday. 31 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: Happy Birthday, Greta. 32 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: I always love entertaining her at Canterbury Partner in the 33 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: course of the summer. 34 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: She seems to love that. Yes, if you were to 35 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: want the kids race one of those years, Oh that's right, 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: the Guesstling girl is going great. Guns was her. It 37 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: was her for Yeah, she went up in class. It 38 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: was her first year in the eight and older division 39 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,639 Speaker 2: and she dusted everybody and then we had this up button. 40 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: But if you roll in tonight and say rolling down 41 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: the street with grad sivanon Jen and Juice late bad 42 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: dad Da, it'd be dad da yep stop. 43 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: Bob Ben and I met met at Irving Bible Church 44 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: early Sunday morning. 45 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: I'm glad we did. I'm really glad we did that. 46 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: And it always is interesting seeing other soula script to 47 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: our churches and how they run the show with their 48 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: programs and stuff. 49 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: Did you enjoy that? Yeah, it was good. It was 50 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: really fun. It was I learned how to sing a 51 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: little bit of angels we have heard on high in Spanish, 52 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: which I didn't know. It was a kind of multi 53 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: racial church. It was very cool. Yeah, it was. It 54 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: was fun to be there and just kind of fun 55 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: to see how different people do it. Yeah, it was 56 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 2: fun to and fun to be there with you, and 57 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 2: fun to just kind of be in a larger setting. 58 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 2: And I loved it. Had a guy I when I 59 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: cause I think you had to get back for a 60 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: radio or a TVA bit with a mod and I 61 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: when I was walking out, a guy says to me, 62 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: skull Vikings Yeah, And I was like, okay, so you 63 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: obviously must recognize me from something. I mean. He said, yeah, 64 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 2: I saw you guys there, and I said, was Pa 65 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: and Ben? Yeah, And so we ended up talking for 66 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: a few minutes. He was from Iowa, had just moved 67 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: down in the last couple of years. With family in Texas, 68 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 2: so wasn't going to the game, but I said, yeah, 69 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: they'll be back in a few years. That's cool. So yeah, 70 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: it was fun to chat with him a little bit. 71 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: And if my man's listening now, thanks for saying hello 72 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: and thanks for listening. 73 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: Uh. 74 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: Should the Minnesota Vikings shut down Darrosaw and jettison this 75 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: weekly cat and mouse game? 76 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: That's a good question. I mean, the cat and mounts 77 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: game has become something that is weekly, and the fact 78 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: that we are still doing that fourteen months after the surgery. 79 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: You know, I think a lot of this for him 80 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: is getting to the point of let's not have something 81 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: pop back up that creates an off season worth of issues. 82 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you see this, whether it's Patrick 83 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: Mahomes or I can remember this with you. I think 84 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: David Bachtiari with the Packers a few years ago. When 85 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: injuries occur, major injuries occur at this point of the year, 86 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: it doesn't just affect that season, it affects the next 87 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: one because the rehab takes so long. So I think 88 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: there's probably a level of caution for him of let's 89 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: not have some set back in the last few weeks 90 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 2: that creates larger issues in the off season. I don't 91 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: think they planned to shut him down, but the question 92 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: whether they should, I mean, it has an effect on 93 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy if you do it, Although they protected quite 94 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: well on Sunday Night without him, I could see an 95 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: argument for doing it. To answer the question, as I 96 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: continue to talk around it, I could see an argument 97 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: for doing it. I don't think they're going to do that, 98 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 2: but if they were to say, let's just make sure 99 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: that we get to the offseason and this can all 100 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 2: be behind us, if we could go on with a 101 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: clean slight next year, I think there's an argument to 102 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: be made for that. 103 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: Nordo has asked me the same question three times this year, 104 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: and he just asked Pete Bursich about Will Fries. And 105 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: when he asks me about out, how do you think 106 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: Will Fries is playing? 107 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: What do you think? 108 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: So it could be an obvious somebody ran around him 109 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: or an obvious he rode went to road grading and 110 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: plowed somebody. But but like it, I don't know how 111 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: to answer it. And my answer is with twenty two 112 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: to twenty three different offensive line combinations, the left tackle situation, 113 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: Ryan Kelly really starting to play well now, and meaning 114 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: well and working hard every step of the way, but 115 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: he just missed a bunch of games with those concussions. 116 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: Is I praise Will Fries without going all twenty two 117 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: on it, because like with all those combinations to start 118 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: all of them, you know where I don't want to 119 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: say it was out of shape in training camp or preseason, 120 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: but like off the off the season end or with Indianapolis, 121 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: he had a lot of things to work through a 122 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 1: training camp in preseason and maybe getting back in shape. 123 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: So just from there to now, you know, not trying 124 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: to make him sound like Steve Hutchinson, Ree and Karne here, 125 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: but to play them all specifically with what's happened here 126 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: this year, I think that that's praiseworthy. 127 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it puts him in a group of 128 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: one in terms of the people that have been able 129 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: to play every week. I mean, every single other member 130 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: of that offensive line has had an injury that's kept 131 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: them out for at least one game, and it's been 132 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: you know, different things. It's Darrisaw coming back, obviously, Kelly 133 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: with the concussions down in Ejackson with the wrist, and 134 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: then Brian O'Neil. It's been knee and I think you 135 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: know things lately, yes, but yeah, I think the durability 136 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: is something first and foremost. It was a big and 137 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: especially because it was a question coming into this year 138 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 2: when he came off of that tibia fractures. So the 139 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: fact that he's been in there for every one of 140 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: those I think is noteworthy. I think there have been 141 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: moments in past protection, especially where he has gotten beat 142 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 2: and we saw it a couple of weeks ago. He 143 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: got Turnstile pretty bad on one. I think maybe it's 144 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: against Seattle, But when you're seeing all of these different fronts, 145 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: I mean, this is kind of an extension of the 146 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: pure progression conversation from last week, only in the sense 147 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: that the defenses are so complex that you're getting more stunts, 148 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: more blitz designs that make you play in a way 149 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: that whether the communication is up to snuff or not 150 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: may determine whether you were able to pick something up. 151 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: It's a lot of Hey, are you protecting the first 152 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: guy that comes through here? Are you going reading inside out? 153 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a lot of this. I thought you 154 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: had him, No, I thought you had him. So when 155 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: you have all of these different combinations in different spots, 156 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: the potential for miscommunication, the potential for something to fall 157 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: through the cracks is higher. So to say yeah, it's 158 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: all his fault or yeah he needs to be better. 159 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: I think there have been moments of that, but I 160 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: don't have enough information to say in a detailed fashion, 161 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: this is one percent what should have happened. I think 162 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: the fact that they have had as many different combinations 163 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: as they've had, especially given the way that offensive lines 164 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: are tested in this day and age, with all of 165 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: the different blitz designs and stunts and games, he has 166 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: had a factor in that. 167 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: The McCarthy keeper touchdown was the best gotcha play man 168 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: we've seen all season, was extremely well done. So I 169 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: mean I didn't go to the press conferences after the 170 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: Dallas game. 171 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: I was doing dry bys. 172 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: Why didn't Why do you think the coach didn't like 173 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: the dance into the end zone? 174 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I actually going off if I was 175 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: working the locker room too. I ended up because we 176 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: were down a man on Sunday night, So it was 177 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: just a Jim two hand in me because Andrew Kramer 178 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: was not feeling well. But so I think Jim went 179 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: to O'Connell and I stayed in the locker room is 180 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: listening to it afterwards. I think it was probably I mean, 181 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: he mentioned the thing about I wanted to see him 182 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: use that forty speed that he didn't run at the cobbine, 183 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 2: you know, so he caught astray a little bit there. 184 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 2: But I think it was just getting the end zone. 185 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: And let's not open the possibility up that it's justin 186 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 2: Jefferson reaching for the pylon and he gets knocked out 187 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: of his hand and becomes a touchback. I mean, I 188 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: can't imagine. I mean no, and you know, the length 189 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: of the memory and the detail of the memory of 190 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: this particular head coach as well or better than I do. 191 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: It's elephant like, it is extremely and I'm somebody with 192 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: a pretty long memory as well. I am not in 193 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 2: his league on that front. I mean, I'm somebody that 194 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 2: can remember, like the cake from my third birthday party, 195 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 2: Black Forest with Cherry's on it was great. But the 196 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: head coach is on a different level from that. So 197 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if some of these things 198 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: that he can remember are things that pop into his 199 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: head and say, oh, you know, we don't want to 200 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 2: lose the ball in this situation because there could be 201 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: a big moment. So I think it was that of 202 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 2: just getting the end zone and let's not create a 203 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: possibility for some kind of a snafu. 204 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: But that makes sense. But you know, if you're looking 205 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: to kill the alter ego nine thing, yeah, that could 206 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: be that too. Then that's probably not needed either. I 207 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: mean it doesn't have to be. Barry Sanders always flipped 208 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: it back to the rep and never said anything right 209 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: somewhere in between. 210 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, they're not a team that discourages celebration obviously. 211 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: You know Cam bininge them. CJ. 212 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 3: Ham did the great on his touchdown. Yeah, I mean 213 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: that's what he got into the end zone, correct. I 214 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 3: think it's probably a let's get in the end zone 215 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: when you when you're a meme right now, when you're 216 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: a meme, because that's what I think. I don't think 217 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,599 Speaker 3: it was about a fumble. I don't think it was 218 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: like he's going to get in. 219 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 220 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: I think it's about dude, I see your face and 221 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 3: now they're putting other people's faces on your face like 222 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 3: it is such a thing right now in the league. 223 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 3: And by the way, you just tied the game at 224 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: fourteen in the first half, Dak and company could go 225 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: out and put forty five on us, and now the 226 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: only thing they're going to remember from that game is 227 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 3: you dancing into the end zone in the second quarter 228 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 3: like you just won the game, right, And it might 229 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: have been you know, we asked him not to do 230 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 3: it and he did. 231 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, there's an element of flaring when 232 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: I said, I think what I wrote in my story 233 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: was he sounded like a dad who has told his kid, Hey, 234 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 2: don't do that front flip on the bike. It's kind 235 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: of dangerous. Then he did it anyway, and it's all right, 236 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 2: but he I mean the kind of landed the flip exactly. 237 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: It looks like, don't do it again though, right, It's 238 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: like it was like child dad. 239 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: It's like he started to get the hand in the 240 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: cookie jar but didn't get it all the way in 241 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: and didn't come out with the cookie because that was 242 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: not a gritty right, No, it was like a one 243 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: armed yes, quasi gritty. 244 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: I mean we've seen worse, right, shout out mi Kiseki. 245 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: But we've seen better, yeah, certainly as gasoline, standard heating 246 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: and air. 247 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: So final three here with with the quarterback and you 248 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: mentioned whether we were talking about whether it's shutting down 249 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 3: Darrisaw and just what that means potentially to a week's 250 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 3: worth of practice with JJ, And on one side, it's like, okay, well, 251 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: at least we have consistency justin school knows that he's 252 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 3: going to play on the life side and just running 253 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: through myriad O line combinations as you've mentioned. 254 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: But just what do we want. 255 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 3: Over the over the final three more of the same, 256 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 3: I mean, just kind of the the similar kind of 257 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: graduating process we've seen the last two. 258 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I think continuing to see consistency. I mean 259 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: he JJ McCarthy has said it, coaches have said it. 260 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: Getting to the point point where there is some consistency 261 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: on an every week basis is the biggest thing you 262 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: can get out of these last three. I thought it 263 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: was significant on Sunday night. They played to me in 264 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: a way that looked like they were trying to mitigate 265 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: him or work around him, less than I've seen them 266 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: do it all year. There was more deep shots down 267 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: the field, there was more hey, we're going to put 268 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: it in your put it in your hands, put it 269 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 2: on your back. And they didn't run the ball terribly well, 270 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: so it wasn't something where they were able to kind 271 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: of just say, let's not have to go to the 272 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: passing game as much. I mean the fourth and three 273 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: where he hits Naylor on the back shoulder throw was 274 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 2: a terrific throw. By the way it was, it was 275 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: a terrific throw. But it's also a situation where it's 276 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: we are going to put this on you and give 277 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: you an opportunity to make a play here, and he 278 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: did so. I think the more they're doing that, I 279 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 2: think there's things to be gleaned from that. It's an 280 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: indicator of a little more trust in him, and the 281 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: more he's successful doing it, it probably starts to compound 282 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: a little bit. So I thought that was noteworthy the 283 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: way that they handled things and the way that they 284 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 2: put a little bit more of it on him. And 285 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 2: if that continues over the next three weeks, I mean, 286 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: you have a fairly toothless opponent in some ways on Sunday, 287 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 2: and then you have two division games to finish it. 288 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: So if he can use this to win on Sunday 289 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: and then you're three in a row going into two 290 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: at home, get another maybe another division wining there, I 291 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: think that would be something where if they get that 292 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: kind of a stretch and you feel decent about it 293 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: going to the offseason, you know, that would make a 294 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: lot of things feel a little different around here. You know. 295 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned it looked like they were trying 296 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 3: to work around him, like, you know, trying to They 297 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 3: didn't try to mitigate him as a liability as much 298 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: as maybe we had seen. And so we were talking 299 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 3: with Pete Burst that you saw him in here studio, 300 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: last segment, last couple segments. 301 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 2: Is what he was talking about. 302 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: Is he has seen though that offensively specifically the last 303 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 3: couple of weeks. Maybe maybe the con or the ideas 304 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: or the finished product is the same, but there is 305 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: clearly also maybe something different functionally, whether it's it's bigger 306 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 3: personnel packages, et cetera. And just as you've talked to 307 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: the coach about and we've talked about just player learning scheme, 308 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 3: coach learning player and kind of meeting in the middle 309 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: and just over the last two games, have you seen 310 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: like measurably different things about this offense that maybe help 311 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 3: the kid handle business on the field. 312 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have. I think the heavier personnel you bring 313 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: that up, I think is worth noting because this is 314 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: a guy that played in a lot of heavy personnel 315 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: groups in Michigan, so and they wanted to do some 316 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: of that anyway, because you get tight ends running on linebackers, 317 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: or you maybe get wide receivers running on linebackers at times, 318 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: and you get mismatches from that. But he has hit 319 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: a couple of nice downfield throws, two tight ends, you know, 320 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: kind of up the seam. He hit Josh Oliver for 321 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: the one for the touchdown against the Commanders, and then 322 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: hits TJ Hockinson on a play that Kevin O'Connell said 323 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: it was just a coverage read. I mean it's if 324 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: we at this look go here with the ball. He 325 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: was decisive with it, put the right amount of pace 326 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: on that where Hockinson had a little room to run 327 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: before he lost his feet up from underneath him. But 328 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: that ball did not come in screaming one hundred miles 329 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: an hour. I think there was a little bit of 330 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: I've got to fit this over a linebacker he did. Yeah, 331 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: I mean that's the things they've wanted to see. So 332 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: I think if it's some of those throws where like, hey, 333 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 2: we know he makes this throw well, let's go back 334 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: to that a little bit more often. I think you've 335 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: seen that. I think the fact that they've used the 336 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 2: heavy personnel groups, even you have guys you can flex 337 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: out from that. I mean, if they're in heavy personnel, 338 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: it does not preclude them from going empty because we've 339 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: seen them put CJ. Hamm on the slot, They'll put 340 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: Aaron Jones in the slot. They're comfortable moving those pieces around, 341 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: so you can get the personnel groups you want and 342 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: still empty out and stress defenses that way. I think 343 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: some of that stuff has worked for them. And yeah, 344 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: I think leaning into some of those throws he makes 345 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: well and also leaning into the mobility. I thought the 346 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: fact that he scores on that touchdown, I mean that 347 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: was extremely well executed. And that's also a moment of 348 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: this has been a team that struggled to get a 349 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 2: yard when it needs a yard, and that was a 350 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: creative way to get a yard and obviously nobody saw 351 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: it coming. And part of that is he executes that 352 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: fake as well as he does. He sells that play, 353 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: and I mean you've listened to the crowd reaction to it. 354 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: I saw a couple fan videos the crowd reacted like 355 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: they thought it was a stop that you can hear 356 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: the roar from the crowd and then as soon as 357 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: he comes out as oh oh, like oh they got us, 358 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: So that some of that is they've lean into things. 359 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: He does well there, and I think that's paid off 360 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: with Jefferson. There's been a bit of conversation about it. 361 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 3: So he's a buck sixty eight from a thousand yards 362 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: and just I mean, maybe this is a dumb question. 363 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 3: How serious do you think this is in terms of 364 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 3: we want to end the season the way and again 365 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: we're talking about a time of the year where we're 366 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 3: maybe shutting people down. How important is it that we 367 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: get Jefferson over that hump or at least use these 368 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 3: final three to go into the offseason, saying I think 369 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: we found a connection there, We found something that works 370 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 3: between the QB and the star receiver. 371 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 2: Well, it was funny because I think when people were, 372 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: you know, some of our people were watching the game 373 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: on the broadcast Sunday night, I got a text saying 374 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: O'Connell referenced Operation one ninety, which was getting Jefferson one 375 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety yards. He needs to get over a 376 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 2: thousand for the season. So he said that on the broadcast. 377 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: I think in the either in the production meeting, I 378 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: think Tariko brought it up. So he must have brought 379 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: it up in the production meeting. I don't think it 380 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: was a sideline report before the game, but the fact 381 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 2: that he has a name for it, I think is Okay, 382 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: this is probably on his mind. Oh yeah, So I 383 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 2: think it's a couple of things there. It's Jefferson has 384 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 2: been as good of a soldier on this, as good 385 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: of a partner on all of this as you would 386 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: ever expect from that position. I mean, we've seen where 387 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: he's frustrated on the sidelines at times, but he is 388 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 2: not getting up there. He's not you know, walking off 389 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: the field bailing on plays that he's not getting the ball, 390 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: he's not ripping anybody. 391 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: He's not going George Pickens on it correct or even 392 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs. 393 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we twenty nineteen when he leaves the 394 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 2: facility for two days after they score three points in 395 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 2: Chicago and then comes back or didn't he call his 396 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: own presser or something? He did sick? The ortundity was sick. 397 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 2: He pretendity was sick, and that was the there's truth 398 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: to all rumors. We're here that day. Yes, well, I 399 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 2: remember hearing that week from people in the in the 400 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 2: in the league that had heard, Hey, I heard he's 401 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: telling people that he's quitting, like and I text, he 402 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 2: a quitting, what do you mean like leaving the team 403 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: permanently or what? And then he shows up that day. 404 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, he's here and then yeah, basically 405 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 2: did his own presser and then didn't exactly deny the 406 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 2: idea that there was strife, which obviously there was. So 407 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 2: I bring that up to say, there's been nothing approaching that. 408 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: So I think for O'Connell to say, all right, we 409 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 2: want to get you this yard is milestone. He's been 410 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 2: under fourteen hundred yards in a season when he's been 411 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 2: fully healthy. The only time he's even been close to 412 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: one thousand is the year with the hamstrings, so he's 413 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: been healthy, he's played. I think it's this is the 414 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: least we can do to try to say, this is 415 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 2: a guy that wants to put up elite numbers, wants 416 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: to break records. It hasn't happened in part because of 417 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: this transition, and he's been patient with it. I think 418 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 2: it's important to him to help Jefferson and acknowledge the 419 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: way he has handled all of this and say, hey, 420 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 2: we see you and we appreciate that. 421 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: Well, the historical stuff matters, period, Yes, but it matters 422 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: to Justin. 423 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: It does, no doubt. 424 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: Specifically, you know when like back in twenty twenty is 425 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: rookie year. Then the next year when he started cracking 426 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: Randy Moss records. Right, you know, I'm like, whoa ho? 427 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: I mean, holy cow, I mean almost cracking Randy Moss records. 428 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: Did not crack it that year because that last game 429 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 2: of the season twenty twenty one, he was sixteen yards 430 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: away from breaking that record and the place is chanting 431 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 2: Justin Justin or whatever it was, JJ or something, and 432 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 2: everyone thrown the ball and Zimmer said, I don't care 433 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 2: about records. All I care about his wins. Right, So 434 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: then he finally broke it the next year with room 435 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 2: to spare. 436 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: Well, Connell, it's uh he had two catches Sunday, right, yeah, okay, two. 437 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: For twenty two. 438 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: Well it tell me if you think this matters, because 439 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: I would make Sunday in the production meeting or you know, 440 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: pre get wherever Kevin wants to make it. 441 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 2: Operation four. 442 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: He's four receptions from the most of any player through 443 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: six seasons in the history of the NFL. I mean 444 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: he's I mean, I think he should be a cinch 445 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: to get it, but he'll pass Jarvis Landry. So that's 446 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: that's the that's the most receptions of anybody in the 447 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: history of the NFL through six years. And he's pretty 448 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: close to Moss for yardage wise. Two he's within one 449 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty some yard of Moss. Of Moss most 450 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: receiving yards through six. 451 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 2: Yar the NFL. 452 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: So let's start with Operation four. It was Operation six 453 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: into Dallas. It's Operation four. So it's Operation four as 454 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: you go play it, play the New York Giants and 455 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: to get yourself covered by Cordelle Flott and the likes 456 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: of a Deebo Paulson. 457 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think, you know, but the grandas for 458 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: it could be done at the end of the first half. 459 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 3: What's frustrating about this year just watching it, whether you're 460 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 3: in the room or out of the room on the 461 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 3: outside like I am, is you know that eighteen also 462 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 3: creates a lot of those opportunities that JJ is taking 463 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: advantage of, and you also see issues I think it was. 464 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: After it was the false start on the touchdown. I mean, 465 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 2: how brutal was that. He brought that up as soon 466 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 2: as I asked him about the drops on Sunday night too, 467 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: so I was frustrated by that. It was also frustrated 468 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: by that, yeah, because I didn't get to do the gritty. 469 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 3: Formation penalty rather, But then that very next play he 470 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 3: threw a ball that Jefferson had zero chance of ever 471 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 3: contending for. There was one down the far sideline where 472 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: I think Bland was on him. Probably could have been 473 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 3: a penalty because he never turned around. Bland didn't, But 474 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 3: the forcing it to him actually has been ending in 475 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: more negative situations than positive. So just kind of balancing that, 476 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 3: like you're getting these other guys open, I'm trying to 477 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 3: get it to you, but I'm finding it in bad spots. 478 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it is difficult because, and I've made this 479 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: point a few times and asked people about this a 480 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 2: few times, that getting used to playing for this team 481 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 2: is not just learning a complex offense. Ryan Kelly talked 482 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: about again on Sunday Night that it is a lot 483 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: to put on a young quarterback. It is getting used 484 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: to the fact that you were going to scout opponents 485 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 2: and say, okay, they're they're in man coverage sixty percent 486 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 2: of the time, we're going to get a lot of 487 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 2: single high safety. And then you go on on a 488 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: Sunday knowing at this point they know this. They discovered this, 489 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 2: I think a few years ago, but at this point 490 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 2: they know whatever scouting we do, whatever pre work we 491 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: do on how they're going to cover, is not going 492 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: to apply because they're going to have a different plan 493 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,959 Speaker 2: for Justin Jefferson that we have to figure out as 494 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 2: we go, and some of that creates openings, but some 495 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 2: of that's also for a young quarterback saying how do 496 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: I navigate this the right way and get the ball 497 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: to Justin when I have opper tunities, but also figure 498 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,239 Speaker 2: out the fact that they're going to flood a lot 499 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: of coverage his way and I have to counteract that. 500 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: So I do think there's a learning curve with that, 501 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 2: and Jefferson has talked about that. The Cousins went through it, 502 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 2: Sam Darnold went through it. It's a lot of this 503 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 2: message of trust yourself and trust me, but then figuring 504 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: out what that looks like when you are a young 505 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 2: quarterback and one who's still figuring out how to put 506 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 2: balls in tight spots against the NFL coverage. I think 507 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: there's an adjustment period there too. 508 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, head coach of the Minnesota Vikings, thirty minutes 509 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: from now more with the scribe Ben Gasoline after this, 510 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: subscribe Ben Gasoline at Ben Gasoline VX, Star Tribune, Star 511 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: Tribune dot com access to Vikings. The podcast is podcastable, downloadable, 512 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: and the viewable at Ben Gasoline's a good place to 513 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: start via the twitter feed. Also, there is a news 514 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: letter that I believe is available on Fridays. 515 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: Would you hit that sub button? 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This is a good question. 523 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: I haven't thought about this this much, but I wonder 524 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 2: if it's because we've made the transition and this is 525 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 2: the old school where you said the backup quarterback is 526 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 2: the holder. Yeah, and now it's almost exclusively the punter. 527 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: So one of the trade offs from that, I suppose 528 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: is if it's not the backup quarterback, you don't have 529 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 2: somebody who's gonna throw as effectively as you would if 530 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 2: it was the backup quarterback out there. So I think 531 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 2: that maybe part of it. I assume some of it 532 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: is everybody's going for it more on fourth downs and 533 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 2: and people say this just isn't worth the risk. But 534 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: I mean, that was awfully well done. I think I'll 535 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: Connon even said yesterday, like I got to give them 536 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: a give them credit for that. I'm sure we'll talk 537 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 2: to Matt Daniels about it a little bit more today. 538 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: But that was one that you know you're able to 539 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: flip it and it was almost like a no look 540 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: over the head. Flesh was pretty impressive. It was very 541 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: well done. The rhythm and timing on that was was 542 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: pretty good. Well, they got us with the surprise. 543 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 3: It wasn't as good as JJ's fake, but it was 544 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 3: a pretty good fake. You're thinking, I mean, that's an 545 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 3: automatic three points from Aubrey right there. 546 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, although he was nothing too. 547 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was not exactly automatic, but in that stage, 548 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: I think it was a fourth and four, and we're 549 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 3: in Viking's territory obviously, because you set up the field goal. 550 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: I would always think you would. 551 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 3: Prefer the offense versus any number of things that could 552 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 3: go wrong on a fake field goal. That's what kind 553 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 3: of surprised me is I want the offense that puts 554 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 3: up thirty points a game on the field, not relying 555 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 3: on the kicker. 556 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 2: And he ran for six and then. 557 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 3: He's like, oh, these these football players might hit me here. 558 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: I better get down very smartly. That's what kind of 559 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: shocked me there. Though. Yeah, that's always a thing too. 560 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 2: I mean you talk about, you know, the backup quarterback 561 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: is not the holder anymore because they're probably worried about 562 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 2: needing the backup quarterback and what if he gets hurt 563 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 2: and you know, I suppose that the back of quarterback 564 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: is hurting the game, then he can't be the holder either. 565 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 2: But if you lose your punter, you don't have another 566 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: guy on the roster typically at least that's up on 567 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 2: game days, that would be able to do that either. 568 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, there's probably an element of get what you 569 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 2: can and don't get clovered because we need you later 570 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: in this game. They must have thought they had, and 571 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 2: I don't know if they've run that before. I would 572 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: assume that was probably something they put in for this game. 573 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 2: I would think that's probably not something that they've shown, 574 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 2: so they probably figured this is unscouted, we can get 575 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 2: them here. This is going to be something that hits because, 576 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 2: like you say, to take the offense off the field, 577 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: you have to be pretty confident that what you were 578 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: going to do instead was going to work. 579 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 3: Do you think that there's any element to some of 580 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 3: that stuff where and maybe it's just with the Cowboys 581 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 3: or just in general. It's like bright lights Sunday Night. 582 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 3: They definitely have not run this before. I don't recall 583 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 3: an Aubrey toss. 584 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 2: No, I think we probably would have heard about it. 585 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 3: But it's just I wonder if they have some of 586 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 3: that stuff in their back pocket. Like it's primetime, we're 587 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 3: gonna have a little fun with it. We're six point 588 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 3: favorites against these cowboy these vikings. 589 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 2: We're probably going to smash them anyway, So why don't we. 590 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 3: Throw a little trickery into the bit and let the 591 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: primetime fans enjoy something. 592 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: There could be some of that. I mean, you know, 593 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 2: everybody knows that that's the game that gets more eyeballs 594 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 2: than any of the NFL the Sunday night game is 595 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 2: at this point, So yeah, there could be a little 596 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 2: bit of that where you're trying to just you know, say, 597 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: let's let's bring our best and the nation is watching, 598 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: let's have something that gets a little shine on our 599 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 2: special teams coordinator and our special teams units. 600 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 3: So over the final three we mentioned last segment, just 601 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 3: you know, whether it's Operation one ninety now it's Operation 602 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 3: of Bucks sixty eight, and just kind of the importance 603 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 3: of you know, and I think more important than the 604 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 3: Buck sixty eight. 605 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 2: I think it's just finding that connection. Right. 606 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 3: But in terms of getting run you know, somebody was 607 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 3: asking you're rarely via Vikings fan line. 608 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 2: It's always the A topics, and that's good. 609 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 3: You know, win or lose, the fans care and they 610 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 3: know what the most important issues are with the squad. 611 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 3: But somebody's hit me with like a ty Felton question. 612 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: Okay, I mean he's a. 613 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 3: Third round rookie. You never see him. He's only played 614 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 3: like twenty nine snaps. I think he has a couple 615 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 3: catches all season. He's a special teams guy like Are 616 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 3: there certain things that you're looking at over the final 617 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 3: three where it goes beyond just the WORL And now 618 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 3: we're digging into the weeds of evaluation into the off season. 619 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 3: Is there anything that's just hit me atop ahead? 620 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: Maybe, Well, Felton's actually a great place to start that 621 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: conversation because Jalen Naylor, who's had a really good year, 622 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: had a big game Sunday Night, is a free agent 623 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 2: after this year, and you get to the point where 624 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: he's done this enough, especially on Sunday Night, where people notice, 625 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: and I would imagine that if he gets some decent offers, 626 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: the Vikings are going to have a hard time matching those. 627 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 2: Knowing the cap is so ty, Felton may play a 628 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 2: bigger role next year. So if they see anything from 629 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 2: him these last few that make them think, okay, I mean, 630 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: I know they've been impressed with what they've seen in practice, 631 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 2: but having a transfer to games, I think that's actually 632 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 2: a spot where that could be useful for them going forward, 633 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: knowing that they may lose Jalen Ellen free agency. 634 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: Miles Price has the most kick return yardage of Anybodking ever, 635 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: passed Cordery Patterson Sunday night for rookies. 636 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: For rookies that is yeh. 637 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: Is he dynamic or the product of receiving a bunch 638 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: of return opportunities? 639 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 2: I think both. I mean, certainly the return opportunities are 640 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: there now in a way they were not before. The 641 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: dynamic kickoff has opened that play back up, and I've 642 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: become a fan of it. I think the fact that 643 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: we have kickoff returns again is a positive for the game. 644 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: And if you can do it in a way that 645 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: people aren't getting hurt, that's good. It also is partially 646 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: I think he's been good at it. I mean, they've 647 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: seen the speed, they've seen some of the elusiveness that 648 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: he brings to that play, and he's also at some 649 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 2: moments where it's come back to bite them with some 650 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: of the turnovers and the muffs and that kind of 651 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 2: thing as well. But I think when you have that 652 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: play and if you figure out how to block it 653 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: and create angles and create openings on it, it can 654 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 2: be something that's a weapon again. And they obviously feel 655 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: I mean they've given him enough green lights that I 656 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,479 Speaker 2: think they feel pretty good about the ball in his 657 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 2: hands and what it can do. We've seen some spots, 658 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: even if it's burned them, We've seen also seen some 659 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 2: spots where it's helped them out where if you get 660 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 2: a big return, I think the first driving is the 661 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 2: commanders was that way you got a big return, and 662 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 2: then everybody feels better about the field position where they're 663 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: going from, and the. 664 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: Offense can kind of spring off of that. Lastly, Brian Flores. 665 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: Brian Flores has has his weekly approach to defense mostly 666 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: been nothing short of masterful this season. I mean hasn't 667 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: been you think, well, I just think that he and they, 668 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: for the most part, have done a really good job. 669 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they have. I mean, you've had some 670 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 2: injury they've had to work through, and everybody deals with 671 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: certain things, but they have had to manage whether it's 672 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 2: health or whether it's being on the field a lot, 673 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 2: or being in some tough situations a lot where it's, hey, 674 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: we need another stop. They've been able to go out 675 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 2: and make things happen. So yeah, I think for them 676 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 2: to do what they did against that offense on Sunday 677 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 2: Night is a big deal because a lot of teams 678 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: have struggled to shut that team down and they really 679 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 2: did not get tested. I mean George Pickens did not 680 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: have a good game. But Dak was jumpy. Yeah, Dak 681 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 2: was jumping Williams. He did, yeah, and he came out 682 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 2: with the shoulder injury for a little bit. But yes, 683 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 2: Dak being as rattled as he was by the pressure 684 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 2: I think changed that game. And you know, it was 685 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: not the type of game I think. I said this 686 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 2: before the game with must that I don't think it 687 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: was going to be one that would suit them well 688 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 2: if you had to trade points with that team, and 689 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: they were able to do that to an extent, but 690 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 2: they probably also didn't have to trade as many points 691 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 2: because the defense came up with and rattle back enough 692 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 2: to kind of help things out there. So that's how 693 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: it's all supposed to works, supposed to be complimentary, and 694 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: it was. There. Have a good day, my brother, and 695 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 2: thank you very much. Thank you. 696 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: That's Ben Gestling, courtesy of Standard Heating and Air Hit 697 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: the talkback Machine Free iHeart Audio app. Kevin O'Connell joins 698 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes from now and we like to play a 699 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: Tuesday talkback for the head coach. 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Nobody wants 724 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 3: this AFC North but Rogers in company and Adam Feeling. 725 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 3: How about Adam Feeling, He had a catch for seven 726 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 3: yards last night. They just outclassed what is just not 727 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 3: a very good Miami Dolphins team. 728 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: It's cold weather up in Pittsburgh the whole bit. 729 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: So now they're they're in charge by an entire game 730 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 3: in the AFC North. Still looking like it'll come down 731 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 3: to that Week eighteen matchup at Pittsburgh for the AFC 732 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 3: North Division. But Rodgers and company just kind of toying 733 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 3: around at times about Rogers looked comfortable in a cold 734 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 3: weather environment, just handled business. 735 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 2: It was a professional victory. 736 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: I think last night by the Steelers and with our 737 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 1: friend Adam Feeling. I don't know how many snapsey blade 738 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: and learning a playbook may be easier for some than others, 739 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: and it's quite easy for Adam, but it was I 740 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: don't Honorary starts not the way to look at it. 741 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: It's like you're a veteran, we traded for you, you start, 742 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: because they started him slot right and then didn't do 743 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: any thing his way, and then he was out whereas 744 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: out for the rest of the series, and then he 745 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: was out to start the second series. Then they brought 746 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: him in for two or three plays, he blocked a 747 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: little bit, and he was out again. Still not exactly 748 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: sure what his lot in life is there. But if 749 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh can get some defensive play, because your one seed 750 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: is probably going to be the Denver Broncos. 751 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 2: And I mean they, I. 752 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: Mean I shouldn't say probably, but I mean their favor 753 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: to be the one seed Broncos. 754 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's good to do. 755 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: Do you think so for sure? How far I just 756 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: don't know how far ahead they are of AFC East Terriors. 757 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 2: Well, they're they're a game ahead and I can find 758 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 2: okay here in a moment, but they, I mean, they've 759 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 2: won twelve in a row. 760 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 1: You know, to a certain extent, there is horseshoe esconced 761 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: of Booty. 762 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 3: I mean, you know who's a game behind them, Oh 763 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 3: Ravels Patriot. Oh wow, So it's tight, yes, but but 764 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 3: they're beatable. They've been beatable almost every game during this 765 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 3: twelve game winning streak, but prohaps to the Broncos. They 766 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 3: find a way to close where other teams, including good teams, don't, 767 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 3: So I understand why they're favor But you know, Rogers 768 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 3: is throwing the ball really really well right now. 769 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: And he's on fire. I mean, he that that whole thing. 770 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: He's just in charge of that whole thing now. Man, 771 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: It's taken a little while, but he's in charge. And 772 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: and they if they can get some defensive play man, 773 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: they could be sneaky in the postseason. 774 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 2: Is it fire fire? 775 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 3: He's on fire. Yeah, it's the fire. Hit the button 776 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 3: will be fire tonight though. The a topic for for 777 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 3: hockey fans in this state. And by the way, props 778 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 3: to coach Finch. He joined us earlier today open the 779 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 3: show and the Wolves and hopefully Anthony Edwards. 780 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 2: Is back after a two game absence. 781 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 3: They're hosting the Memphis Grizzlies, who are having an awful season. 782 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 3: How about just breaking the news to me, Nords, the 783 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 3: Ja Moran twisted his ankle last night, so. 784 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 2: We got LFL terrorism. 785 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 3: But Hoops is back in the mix tomorrow at Target 786 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 3: Center for the Minnesota Wild. They are on the back 787 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 3: end of a four game home stretch here and a 788 00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 3: chance to sweep it. 789 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 2: It's a couple of third play squads in the mix. 790 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 3: Here, you're Minnesota Wild, third in the third in the 791 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 3: Central and then on the East coast side of things, 792 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 3: the Capitals and Ovechkin. 793 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,479 Speaker 2: And everybody are in town now. 794 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 3: The Caps themselves, I think they've lost three out of 795 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 3: their last four, but those were two of those were 796 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 3: in shootouts. 797 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 2: I just got housed by Winnipeg the other day over 798 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 2: the weekend five to one. Oh does. 799 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 3: But they come in it not the Wild and they 800 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 3: come into Grand Casino Arena here against well, it's it's 801 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 3: Capris off and Boldie and Quinn Hughes and will it 802 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 3: be Gus Buss or Yesper, yes sir, yesper. We shall 803 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 3: find out. And maybe that's already been reported and that's 804 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 3: my fault. 805 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,439 Speaker 2: But excited for this game tonight. 806 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 3: It's a seven pm puck drop, whether you watch ESPN 807 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 3: Plus or you listen to it with mister O'Donnell and 808 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 3: mister Reed. 809 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 2: Thanks to Joe for joining me yesterday. 810 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 3: Pump for that puck drop seven pm ish right here 811 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 3: on enough. 812 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: I am yeah, I haven't done. I've yet to see 813 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,959 Speaker 1: Quinn Hughes. And he only played one game, right. 814 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 2: Just one game on Sunday. Yeh, yep, Quinnesota. That's where 815 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 2: we're calling it, Quinnesota. I saw that on social media. 816 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 2: It's Mike Lever. 817 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 1: But with that, but I'm I'm looking forward to to 818 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've seen him during his career analytically speaking, 819 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 1: if you're if you're into the analytics of hockey, which 820 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm not, but nevertheless for those who are, he is. 821 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: I mean, he he charts near the top or at 822 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,800 Speaker 1: the top of so many important analytics for blue liners 823 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: and they're still young. 824 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to watching him this evening, last 825 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 2: thing and then we'll pause here. 826 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 3: You can catch it on Prime the NBA the nd 827 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 3: season Cup bit is we got coach about eleven oh five. 828 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 3: The Championship is tonight. It's gonna be San Antonio and 829 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 3: the New York Knicks. I think you watch it on 830 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 3: Prime if that button. You know one thing, I'll tell 831 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 3: you, you know, not seeing a lot of Quinn Hughes. 832 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 2: I haven't seen a lot of wemby this year. 833 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 3: I'm excited to just sit in the chair and just appreciate. 834 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 3: Of course I'm rooting for kat and yeah we got 835 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 3: Brunson and Josh Hart, et cetera. But Wemby the unicorn 836 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,399 Speaker 3: that he is now back from injury and he's working 837 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 3: through a few games here. He is, as you heard 838 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 3: it from from Chris fincherly on two, he's ascending. He 839 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 3: will be the best player in the NBA. It's just 840 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 3: a question of when. And we're going to get to 841 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 3: see that isolated single game spot tonight at seven thirty. 842 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, he Wemby for the Spurs is on. There's some 843 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: pitch count terrorism taking place right now. With the minutes, yeah, 844 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: just half right. It came back from a calf and 845 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: I said it to Chris Finch earlier and it just 846 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 1: blew me away that he played seven minutes and during 847 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: his seven minutes, the Spurs were plus twenty in the 848 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: plus minus. I mean to beat plus twenty in just 849 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: seven minutes, that is amazing. But his impact in the 850 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: game in a short amount of time was unbelievable. I 851 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: think the Knicks are going to beat the Spurs tonight 852 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: because what I saw from the San Antonio Spurs. 853 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 2: The other night. 854 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 1: If you have a better effort than that in you 855 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: may God bless you, May God be with you, because 856 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: they went to Okac. Well, nobody beats Okac if you 857 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: were win at Okac. And and thirdly they took it 858 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: to Shay Gilgess, Alexander with with with uh Stefan Castle 859 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: and Devin Vessel. I mean they really took it to 860 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: s g A, super physical with him and Okase looked 861 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 1: like like, you know, we got you whenever we want you, 862 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,879 Speaker 1: and they didn't. The Spurs played a wonderful, wonderful game 863 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: Saturday night. I don't think they can play better tonight. 864 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: And I think I can't say I think the Knicks 865 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: are dramatically better team than San Antonio, but I think 866 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: the Knicks win the NBA Cup tonight. 867 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,280 Speaker 3: And as we wrap up, news News de Nord presented 868 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 3: news News de Nerd. 869 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 2: How about that news. 870 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 3: De Nerd news you actually actually yes, presented by Canterbury Park, 871 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,760 Speaker 3: the casino at Canterbury Park. Actually Chiefs Mahomes has indeed 872 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 3: had surgery on the torn A c L and torn 873 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 3: L c L. 874 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 2: So the rehab starts now. 875 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 3: And gosh, there was one thing going back to it 876 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,760 Speaker 3: was Guestling talking about with darisaw and just worried about 877 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 3: this time of year and that any additional injury would 878 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 3: potentially bleed. 879 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 2: Into the rehab. 880 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, what about six weeks ago and so, 881 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 3: But but to that end, this time of year is 882 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 3: indeed an awful time to sustain these injuries. Michael Parsons, 883 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 3: who was confirmed it's an ACL as well. So just 884 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 3: kind of the injuries that have taken place, and I 885 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 3: don't have the whole list in front of me. It's 886 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 3: a conversation that comes up every couple of years. 887 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 2: Are we seeing more ACL tears? Is it the turf? 888 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 2: Is it the training? What is it? 889 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 3: Human body evolution versus the supplement and the work load evolution. 890 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,879 Speaker 3: But whether it's neighbors, I mean, how cool I mean 891 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 3: in a lost season, sadly, it would have been cool 892 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 3: to see neighbors, right, and all the concussions with Jackson Dart, 893 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 3: will he play Scatabow and that ugly injury he took place, 894 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 3: We don't get to see Scataboo this weekend. It's just 895 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,760 Speaker 3: stealing the greats from the whether they're with our rivals 896 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,359 Speaker 3: or not, is just awful from a fan perspective, there's 897 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 3: too many of them this year. 898 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: I say, by the way, you have a chance to 899 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: have a talkback offered up to Minnesota Vikings head coach 900 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,720 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell. He's around the corner here at the TCO 901 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,799 Speaker 1: Radio studio. Go to the free iHeart audio app and 902 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 1: to do your thing for up to thirty seconds, we're 903 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 1: gonna play one back for Kevin O'Connell and x's and 904 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: o's around the corner on KFAM