1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Dragon red Beer Platinum. 2 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, platinum with the lot Lizards. 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 3: I want to address a couple of text messages nine 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 3: five seven four rights, Michael, you need with regard to 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 3: the last hour's discussion about the KGM case, you need 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 3: to watch the documentary. I know you don't like documentaries, 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 3: but it's called The Social Dilemma. It has interviews with 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 3: engineers and other people who started up those companies and 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: what the algorithms were intended to do. I wanted to 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: address that text message because I find it interesting. This 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 3: is a great example of how people here. Sometimes you 12 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 3: can hear what they want to hear. Sometimes you don't 13 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 3: hear the full context of what someone is saying, or 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 3: you or you ignore the full full context, or you 15 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 3: get distracted, particularly in radio, because as you're if you're 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 3: listening in your car, somebody slams on the brakes in 17 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 3: front of you, you instantly start thinking about that, and 18 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: you may not hear the boom boom boom next thing 19 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 3: that I say about x y Z, So you're left 20 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: with whatever said ABC. You don't hear x y Z, 21 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: and so you make an assumption based solely on ABC 22 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 3: not criticizing, And I'm just saying that's the reality, and 23 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: that's not just the reality of radio. You can't tell 24 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 3: me that's not the reality with your spouse either, right, 25 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: mister Redbeard. 26 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: That's why I wasn't Yeah, yeah, just I might. 27 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: I might as well be missus Redbeard's. But I you know, 28 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 3: I like documentaries. I prefer to watch documentaries. But I 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: think what you're missing is what I've said about documentaries 30 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 3: is this. They're interesting. 31 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: They are. 32 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 3: Generally speaking, somewhat factual, but they always have a particular 33 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 3: point of view. They have an agenda, they have a narrative, 34 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 3: they have something that they're trying to convey to you. 35 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: Rarely is a documentary truly objective and just a documentary. 36 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: Just here's what happened. 37 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 4: Well, just look at one quick scene in a documentary. 38 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 4: You see a cheetah chasing a gazelle, right, yes, okay, 39 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 4: Now is this a documentary from the perspective of the 40 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 4: gazelles or is this the documentary of the perspective who 41 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 4: we're rooting for. 42 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: That is a great example. 43 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: But between that, I was just struck by the assumption 44 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 3: that I know you don't like documentaries. 45 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: I don't know that. 46 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: I think what I've said about documentaries, is what I 47 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: just said. 48 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 4: Well, there are a couple of documentaries with you in 49 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 4: them that you oh. 50 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, some of those I particularly don't like because 51 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 3: speaking of let's just take little snippets of things and 52 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 3: put those in to create a narrative. Let's do that. 53 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: So that was the first text message I wanted to address, 54 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 3: and there I walked into this one. I didn't see 55 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 3: this until this morning. This comes from guber number one 56 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 3: zero eight five. This was at eleven o'clock. What's the 57 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 3: time you know this? Oh, this is just twenty five 58 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 3: o'clock on these text messages, So this came in at 59 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: just before I left the air or just as I 60 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: was leaving the air yesterday. I think I may have 61 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: mentioned the speech and debate clause in a topic yesterday, 62 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: but like I say, I walk out the door and 63 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 3: I don't remember. But ten zero eight five writes Michael, 64 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: the speech and debate protection of Congress applies to quote 65 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: the four of the chamber close quote than the word 66 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 3: only in all caps. So they write the speech and 67 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: debate protection of Congress applies to the floor of the chamber. 68 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 3: Only what they say outside the chamber is just as 69 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: any other citizen. If one threatens the peace, one is imprisoned. 70 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: Thanks for engaging in, Thanks for the text message. And 71 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 3: you're touching on something that I think most people, including. 72 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: A lot of lawyers, get wrong. So I want to 73 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 2: unpack this. 74 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 3: You're correct that the clause does not create blanket immunity 75 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: for anything or everything a member of Congress says anywhere 76 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: on Earth. But your claim that it applies only quote 77 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 3: to the floor of the chamber close quote. That is 78 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 3: a significant understatement of what the Constitution actually says and 79 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: what the Supreme Court has consistently held. Article one, Section 80 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: six of the Constitution reads, quote for any speech or 81 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 3: debate in either house, they shall not be questioned in 82 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 3: any other place close quote. So the operative phrase is 83 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: in either house, not on the floor, as you write, 84 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 3: and that distinction of matter, that distinction is incredibly important, 85 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 3: as is shall not be questioned in any other place. Now, 86 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court has interpreted legislative acts the protected that's 87 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: the protected category to include far more than floor speeches. 88 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 3: In a case called Gravel versus United States from nineteen 89 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: seventy two, the Supreme Court that it also includes committee hearings, 90 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 3: reports written reports or as conversations during their deliberations. The 91 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: act of voting yay or nay, pushing the button at 92 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: your desk, that is protected subpoena's issue in the exercise 93 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: of your legislative authority. 94 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: That is protected. 95 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 3: Actions taken in a member's office way, literally across the street, 96 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 3: both directions north and south from the US Capital that 97 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: are integral to the legislative process is protected speech. So 98 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: the geographic boundary is not the chamber floor. It's the 99 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: nature of the act. If it's a genuine legislative act, 100 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: it's covered regardless of where it physically occurs. Now, where 101 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 3: you are correct and where the court has actually drawn 102 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: the line is the clause is that the clause does 103 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: not protect certain things. It doesn't protect press releases. Senator 104 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: Proxmeyer got sued over a press release back in nineteen 105 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: seventy nine, and he lost that one pretty badly. So 106 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: it doesn't protect press releases. It doesn't protect newsletters sent 107 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 3: to constitute. It doesn't protect media appearances or interviews. It 108 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: doesn't protect campaign speeches. It does not protect social media posts. 109 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 3: Be careful watch your ide on social media, Governor. It 110 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: does not protect private commercial arrangements even with legislative subject matter. 111 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: That's akay, that's a really esultary case, but it's nonetheless applicable. 112 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 3: Let's go back to the Proximyer case, because that's really 113 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: the landmark case. The court explicitly held that the informing 114 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: function of being a legislator member of Congress communicating with 115 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: the public is not a protected legislative act, even if 116 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: it's about legislation. But as for your breach of the 117 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: peace point, that's actually from the arrest privilege in the 118 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: same clause. That's not part of the speech and debate privilege. 119 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 3: There are two separate protections that sit in the same sentence, 120 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: and conflating those is a I think a common mistake. 121 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: So the bottom line is this. 122 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 3: The clause is broader than the chamber floor, but it's 123 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: narrow than the blanket immunity that you say is going 124 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: to land you in jail. It protects the legislative process, 125 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 3: it doesn't protect the politician's megaphone. So I'm not sure 126 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: what you heard yesterday, but that is the speech and 127 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 3: debate flaws in a nutshell. You can submit your tuition 128 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: for that law school class later. I want to tell 129 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: you about the colorad Old general, assumably the polit bureau. 130 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 3: They get a new create, they have a great new 131 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 3: crusade going. You heard Gina talk earlier about Polici's signed 132 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: this housing bill. We're gonna talk about that tomorrow. But 133 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 3: I want you forget the housing costs. I want you 134 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: to forget the insurance market. I want you to forget, 135 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 3: you know, houseing. The insurance market market is just hemorrhaging 136 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: carriers left and right. Forget the fact that Coloradom's are 137 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 3: being taxed through fees faster than Jeri's Polists can say, Tabor, Nope, 138 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 3: the Caros Senate has spotted a far more urgent crisis, 139 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 3: and thank god they have done so. The coyotes or coyotes. 140 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: What do you prefer? Dragon coyotes or coyotes? 141 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 4: Wile e coyote? 142 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: I think so too. 143 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 3: Coyotes is just it's just more, I don't know, sounds better, Yeah, coyot, coyote. 144 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: I'm a coyote. 145 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: The coyotes of Denver suffering Democrat Senators Lisa Cutter and 146 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: Kathy Kipp there's between the two of them two brain 147 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: cells mate maybe two, I don't know. Along with Representative 148 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 3: Elizabeth Velesco. I'll call them the three Musketeers. They've introduced 149 00:09:54,559 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 3: Senate Bill twenty six zero six two, the the Rodenticide 150 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 3: Use Restrictions Act, Rodenticide, rodent suicide, rodenticide the road. 151 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: Oh my god, we live in stay by planks. 152 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 3: Their Odenticide Use Restrictions Act that seeks to prohibit a 153 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 3: person like you from selling, distributing, applying, or using certain 154 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 3: types of rodenticide and rodent glue traps in Colorado, except 155 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 3: as authorized for restricted and limited use in a public 156 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 3: health emergency. Let me explain it to you. You would 157 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 3: need to declare a public health emergency to put out 158 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: a rat trap. A public health emergency, I don't know, 159 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 3: pandemic for rats. Now, I'm really curious. What's the justification 160 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: for this? Of course, it's science, big, robust, impressive science. 161 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: Believe the science. 162 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 3: Because the Center for Biological Diversity cited a Colorado Parts 163 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 3: and Wildlife study finding that one hundred percent of coyotes, 164 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 3: coyotes in the Denver area, we're exposed to deadly rodenticides. 165 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Now that sounds alarming. 166 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 3: One hundred percent of the coyotes in the Denver area 167 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,599 Speaker 3: were subjected to deadly rodenticides. 168 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 2: You have to sample size. Was dragon had me? But 169 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: well you may are. You may remember from get. 170 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 4: I was actually paying attention when you read out the 171 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 4: Michael Brown minute. 172 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 2: You were you actually listened to that. 173 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 4: I had to wait for you to shut up so 174 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 4: that I could hit stop record and then save. 175 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: But yo, do you do you remember the number? What 176 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: was it? Yeah? 177 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 4: Ridiculously stupid five? 178 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 5: Five. 179 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: I've seen more. 180 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 3: I've seen more coyotes walking through the park across the 181 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: street from my house in the past three days that 182 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: I guess Denver seen in the past year five five coyotes. 183 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 3: Delivers of five coyotes in the Denver metro area were tested. 184 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: Five. 185 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: Now that's not a study. That's kind of like a 186 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 3: dinner party. Hell's bells. There's more than five people within. 187 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: You know, didn't feeding me right now? I mean, good grief, 188 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 3: Come on. 189 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: And here's the. 190 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 3: Real irony that's buried in the study. It is far 191 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: more likely that an urban coyote would be exposed to 192 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 3: rodenticide because they're diets. I think udoubtedly center around small critters, 193 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 3: those critters that you see. I'm not talking about the 194 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 3: human beings. I'm talking about the actual critters that frequent 195 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: the dumpsters behind restaurants. So the coyotes of Denver are 196 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: getting sick because they're eating the rats behind the restaurants. 197 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 3: So the solution, according to disease DIP was that the 198 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: Colorado Polop Bureau apparently is to ban the rat poison. Now, 199 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 3: I don't know, let me think this through. Okay, I 200 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 3: thought it through. If you ban the rat poison poison, 201 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 3: aren't you going to create more rats behind the restaurants, 202 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 3: which is where the coyotes will even eat the rats 203 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 3: who presumably now won't be poisoned, but will absolutely be 204 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: inside your restaurant's kitchen. Do you see this is elegant 205 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 3: circular logic. It's almost beautiful. You got to give these 206 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 3: yahoo's some credit here. Now, the bill would prohibit the sale, distribution, application, 207 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 3: or use of most traditional rodenticides, including both first generation 208 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 3: and second generation an anti coagulant rodenticides, non anti coagulant 209 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: rodenticides such as promethylene and zinc phosphide, and rodent glue traps. 210 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 3: I don't think those are exotic chemical weapons. I don't 211 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 3: think Sadim Hussein had those hidden somewhere in a bunker. Nope, 212 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: these are the tools that every restaurant, grocery store, hotel, 213 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 3: grain farmer, fairy operator in Colorado relies on to keep 214 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: the rodents out of your food supply. Colorado's retail food 215 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 3: establishment rules include an entire dedicated chapter on insect, rodent 216 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 3: and animal control, which requires those establishments to actively prevent 217 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 3: and control pass That's why you don't. You really don't 218 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: want to see a cockroach or a rat running around 219 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 3: in a restaurant. Here you go to your favorite dive restaurant. 220 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 3: I don't care if it's a dive. 221 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: You don't. You don't want to see rats. 222 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: So the state of Colorado will simultaneou require businesses to 223 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: control rats, and now is going to ban the most 224 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 3: effective means of controlling rats. Congratulations, Colorado, you have now 225 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 3: invented a regulatory catch twenty two where the only winning 226 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 3: move member from wargames, the only way to win is 227 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 3: not play the game. Well, guess what it is in Colorado. 228 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: The only way to win is to go out of business. 229 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: And who showed up to oppose this bill. The state's 230 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 3: agricultural trade organizations, Past control Associations, Common Spirit Health, the 231 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: Colorado Restaurant Association, Colorado Counties, Colorado Real Estate Alliance, the 232 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: Denver Metro Chamber of Commerce. Hey, they finally did something. Wow, 233 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 3: the Colorado Hotel and Lodging Association. Because nobody wants to 234 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 3: get in bed with the rat Basically everybody who operates 235 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 3: a building with walls that rats can enter, which is 236 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 3: pretty much anyone, right. So who supported the bill? Well, 237 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 3: I'm not making this up. An ordained animal minister. There 238 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 3: was an ordained animal minister at a Senate committee hearing 239 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: about rat poison in Colorado. Just remember that next time 240 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: somebody asks you why do you still live in Colorado? Say, well, 241 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 3: because there was a hearing about eliminating rat poisons because 242 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 3: we had five coyotes that their livers showed they had 243 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 3: rat poison in it. And so we had an ordained 244 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: animal pastor, an animal minister, an animal preacher test and 245 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 3: fight testified in favor of this bill to eliminate rap 246 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: poison and at a Senate committee and they passed this through. 247 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 3: So this is why I stay in Colorado. M The 248 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: battle over the rodentocides seemed, I think to some observers 249 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 3: to be a attack on agricultural interests. By people who 250 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: have never operated a farm. Brenda Melankoff of the Colorada 251 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 3: Farm Bureau probably set up most diplomatically. I'll put it 252 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 3: less so. When your key scientific witness is the Center 253 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: for Biological Diversity citing a study of five tails from 254 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: twenty fifteen conducted by the University of Nebraska, you're not 255 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 3: doing science. You're doing a five After five hours of testimony, 256 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 3: the sponsors agreed to lay it over for further discussion. 257 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 3: Five hours, five hours of your taxpayer time and legislative 258 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 3: resources devoted to whether a restaurant owner, say, out in 259 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: Linwood Springs, should be allowed to put out a snap 260 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 3: trapped with out of first obtaining an emergency authorization from 261 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: the Department of Agriculture Roads Infestations. I don't think they 262 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 3: wait for paperwork. They don't wait for mergency declarations when 263 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 3: mais and rats invade feed er barnes, restaurants or hotels 264 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 3: or grocery stores, waiting for an administrative approval, I don't 265 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 3: think that's an option. But at least the coyotes, at 266 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 3: least the five we know about, will be a little 267 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 3: safer when they rum you through the dumpsters behind the restaurants. 268 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 3: The rats are out over running, they won't have to 269 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 3: fight off the homeless people that are rummaging through the 270 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 3: restaurant dumpster. 271 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: Boy, Michael, I'm with the pest control industry, and I 272 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: know people who sit on the board that go in 273 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: and try and argue against these things. And I promise 274 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: you the science they only take the science from one direction. 275 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: When the pest control industry brings their own science, they 276 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: don't want to hear it. 277 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm shocked. 278 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 3: Are you telling me that the yahoos at the Colorado 279 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 3: Pollit Bureau don't want to listen to the experts, the professionals, 280 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 3: the ones who are actually out in the field doing this. 281 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 3: Don't call in, give me that kind of bull crap. 282 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: Don't call in and trust Are you seriously going to 283 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 3: defame those incredibly intel legent I mean, I accuse them 284 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 3: the thousands moving at them all together, and multiply it 285 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 3: by one hundred, you might get to a thousand. 286 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. 287 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 3: Speaking, I don't know why. Some stories just seem to 288 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 3: hit a nerve. Do you really want me to I'm 289 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 3: even afraid to give this person's last four digits of 290 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 3: their goober number zero nine nine zero. Another good number, 291 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: by the way, zero nine nine zero Mike, I bought 292 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 3: a humane mouse trap parentheses I know, I know at 293 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 3: mcguckins and Boulder, and the salesperson told me I don't 294 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 3: need to use organic peanut butter. Regular peanut butter is okay. 295 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: Where I was worried, you know. 296 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 3: Thank thank goodness for mcguckins, Thank goodness for Boulder because 297 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 3: they the rat, the mice, the rats ian who was 298 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 3: organic peanut butter. Have you ever you know, have you 299 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 3: tried organic peanut butter? 300 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 2: It's just awful. I want the w you know, the. 301 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 3: Oil and you know, oh yeah, all the hydrogenated stuff 302 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 3: in it. Yeah, you know, I don't misstand. Seventy one five. 303 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 3: I'm sorry seventy one zero five. 304 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 2: Michael. Do you want your steak garnish with antavirus? Well? 305 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 3: I don't, but pretty soon in Colorado your steak will 306 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: come with a side. 307 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 2: Of maybe just season with antivirus. That'll be great, won't it. Now? 308 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: This is sad four seven five seven rites Mike or 309 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 3: Michael smart ass. Vermin near my house have been being poisoned, 310 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: some with high levels of lead. I hope not too 311 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 3: high a lead because Ammo's expensive. 312 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 4: And you better be a good shot because this guys 313 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 4: are pretty small. 314 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: That's right. 315 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 3: But send us a send us a video we can 316 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 3: put up of your extermination. Now I'm not quite sure 317 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 3: because of the voice to text translation, but nine ninety 318 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 3: four six or seven nine four six rights, Mike. You 319 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 3: know what really happened is they'll make this a restricted 320 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 3: use only such a some sometimes something about so that 321 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 3: every restaurant's trying to do its own pest control right 322 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 3: now will have to have a pest control company, which 323 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 3: is going to cost them money, which is going to 324 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: raise the price that they have to charge in order 325 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 3: to run the restaurant. How dare you apply economics? How 326 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 3: dare you talk about costs? Besides, it's just a restaurant. 327 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 3: I mean, so what somebody's living who cares? Don't go 328 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 3: to business. You know, all they're doing is tracking. They're 329 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: just attract their dumbster out back, is just attracting rats 330 00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 3: and homeless people. 331 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 4: This is what you get for not thinking about the coyotes. 332 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 3: That's exactly right, the coyotes. Coyotes two four eight zero, Michael. 333 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 3: If they get this rodenticide restriction in place, they're going 334 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 3: to gang through rodenticides from the whole depots and the 335 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 3: lows so that you can't use it to do pest 336 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 3: control at your own house. 337 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 2: Oh, they would never do anything like that. 338 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 3: I don't know why buy ran here has to be 339 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 3: so conspiratorial and think that you give a progressive Marxist 340 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: communist an ansin and they'll take a mile. 341 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't. I cannot believe you people think 342 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 2: like that. 343 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 3: Then fifty four to thirty one, writes Michael, How do 344 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: I contact the animal pastor the animal minister because I 345 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 3: need him to come say words over a rat that 346 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 3: apparently just committed suicide with a pellet gun in my 347 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 3: neighbor's backyard. Well, Jim, I'll see if I can find 348 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 3: the name and the number of the animal minister. I'm 349 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: not gonna say that, you know, I'm gonna exercise some 350 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 3: discretion here or not anything about the animal minister there. 351 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 2: I am too. 352 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: I can't resist it. Is that not kind of blasphemous? 353 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 3: You're an animal minister? Is that getting pretty close to 354 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 3: like animal rights? And you know, animal somehow better than humans? 355 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: Wow? I don't know where to go next. We'll do 356 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 2: this one. 357 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 3: Mixt Uh, there's a basic principle in American law so 358 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 3: foundational that it actually predates the Constitution. The grand jury. 359 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 3: Our grand jury system belongs to the people. It doesn't 360 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 3: belong to a president, it doesn't belong to an attorney general, 361 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: and it doesn't belong to a federal judge. You see, 362 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 3: the grand jury is a citizen's check on the power 363 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 3: of the prosecutor, a body of ordinary Americans who gets together, 364 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 3: they get summoned together, and that they get to decide 365 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 3: before anybody is charged with a crime, whether or not 366 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 3: there's enough evidence to proceed. The Serene Court has gone 367 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: so far as to call that historical bulwark against an 368 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 3: oppressive government. The Fifth Amendment enshrines the grand jury, and 369 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 3: prosecutors have used the grand jury's power to subpoena records 370 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 3: and witnesses for as long as we had a republic. 371 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,959 Speaker 3: Now I know that you know the old saw that 372 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: you can indye a ham sandwich may be true, but 373 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 3: at least there is a stopgap measure that said, if 374 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 3: these grand jurors look at the evidence and they say, yeah, 375 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 3: that's a ham sandwich, and no, we don't really think 376 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 3: the ham sandwich committed a crime, boon. 377 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: That's the end of it. But you've got to get 378 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 2: to the grand jury. 379 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 3: And I've never heard, I have literally never heard where 380 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 3: you can't get to. 381 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: The grand jury. 382 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 3: So when a federal judge, a single unelected, lifetime appointed 383 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 3: federal judge, steps in before the grand jury even completes 384 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 3: it completes its work and says, no, you cannot have 385 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 3: those records, that should cause all of us to step 386 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 3: back from open and say, who's this judge, why are 387 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 3: you doing that? And under what authority? And we goes 388 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 3: to who the target is now? And this is where 389 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 3: it gets complicated. Let's give you the full picture. 390 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 5: We'll be like England of old where they killed the 391 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 5: cats off because they were pointd to the devil. And 392 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 5: what happened The plaque wiped out a large percentage of 393 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 5: the people in England. 394 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 2: And we're gonna have more rats in Colorado. Great. 395 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 3: Uh, wish I could take credit for this one two 396 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 3: four four seven, Mike, Why is the Colorado State Legislature 397 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 3: the politbureau protecting rats? 398 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 2: Professional Curtis, Oh, that's good, and that good. That's good. 399 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 3: So this grand jury case, it began with the US 400 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 3: Senate inquiry into the federal Reserve Board and they're building 401 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 3: renovation project. It's two and a half billion dollars with 402 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 3: cost overruns, two and a half billion dollars to renovate 403 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 3: the Federal Reserve building in DC. So US Attorney Gen 404 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 3: Piro's office opened a criminal probe into potential fraud connected 405 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 3: to those overruns. In addition to that, she wanted to 406 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: have the grand jury look at whether or not the 407 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 3: chairman of the Federal Reserved her own Pale may have 408 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 3: mislged Congress when he testified about the projects to Congress. 409 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 6: So I'm here to speak about the decision that has 410 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 6: been rendered given the case involving the Board of. 411 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 7: Governors of the Federal Reserve System. Now, the American public 412 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 7: is fed up with public moneys that seem to go 413 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 7: into a black hole, especially in DC, where no one 414 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 7: is held accountable. 415 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 3: One of the. 416 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 7: Age old tools that all prosecutors have to investigate any crime, 417 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 7: including cost overruns, is a grand jury subpoena. Today, however, 418 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 7: in Washington, an activist judge has taken that tool away 419 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 7: from us by inserting himself and preventing the grand jury 420 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 7: from even obtaining, let alone hearing evidence. He has neutered 421 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 7: the grand jury's ability to investigate crime. As a result, 422 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 7: Jerome Powell today is now based an immunity preventing my 423 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 7: office from investigating the Federal Reserve. This is wrong and 424 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 7: it is without legal authority. 425 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 3: So in December, her office had reached out to the 426 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 3: FED two times for seeking voluntary cooperation, trying to get 427 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 3: some records about the cost overruns. The FED never responded, 428 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 3: not a phone call, not a letter, nothing. So in January, 429 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 3: a grand jury issued to subpoenas perfectly legal, completely standard. 430 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 3: But then the Federal Reserved hired a small army of 431 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 3: white shoe lawyers, including Robert Hurr, the same man who 432 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 3: declined to prosecute Joe Biden for mishaving classified documents. And 433 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 3: then they moved to quash those subpoenas. In other words, 434 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 3: they moved to have the court say you cannot issue 435 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 3: those subpoenas. The case landed before Chief Judge Jeb bow's 436 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 3: Burg of the DC District Court. You might remember him, 437 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 3: You might remember Boseburg. He's the Obama appointee who's been 438 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 3: trying to force the Trump administration to return those trend 439 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 3: to a rug with gang members that were deported to Venezuela. 440 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 3: You know, twenty seven page ruling dated March eleventh, twenty 441 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 3: twenty seven pages a quashed subpoenas, saying the evidence of 442 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 3: an actual crime was and I'm quoting the judge, essentially zero. 443 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 2: Now. 444 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 3: A hearing on March third, Boseburg asked the government's prosecutor, 445 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 3: point blank, what evidence is there a fraud or criminal 446 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 3: misconduct in relation to the renovations. The prosecutors' answers, we 447 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 3: don't know at this time. 448 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: Now. That may not be a great answer, but. 449 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 3: It's the truth, which is why they were trying to 450 00:29:54,680 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 3: issue the subpoenas so they could find the truth. And 451 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 3: the Federal Reserve was refused, refusing to cooperate with a 452 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 3: legitimate investigation into a multi billion dollar cost overrun on 453 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: the Federal Reserve building and whether or not Jerome Palll 454 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 3: had misled or lied to Congress about those cost overruns. 455 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 3: Judges totally out of control. Judge Boseburg, in my opinion, 456 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 3: truly needs to be impeached.