Speaker 1: But you l w Gary Jeff Walker sitting down checking
Speaker 1: in reporting for duty on this Tuesday night. How about
Speaker 1: that snow this morning. That'll test your metal and your
Speaker 1: driving skills, and people's driving skills were on full display
Speaker 1: during morning rush hour and really not that bad. It'll
Speaker 1: test the brush, the scraper brush in your back seat too, anyway.
Speaker 1: I mean, the toughest part of this is cleaning off
Speaker 1: your car. And please, when you clean off your car
Speaker 1: from the snow, get the mountain that's on top of
Speaker 1: your car too, so it doesn't pile into somebody else's windshield.
Speaker 1: On the interstate, we still see people driving around in
Speaker 1: these ig loose It's insane, not just your windows, the
Speaker 1: whole car. It takes a little bit longer, but it's
Speaker 1: damn well worth it. As we get into things tonight.
Speaker 1: What a mess in the state of Minnesota. It's been
Speaker 1: a mess for a long long time. The land of
Speaker 1: ten Thousand Lakes and at least a couple million idiots
Speaker 1: who keep on voting for people like Ilan Omar and
Speaker 1: Tim Walls. That scandal, the fraud scandal in Minnesota, that
Speaker 1: Tim tampon. Tim says he's grabbing by both horns and
Speaker 1: throwing people in jail. It's all happened under his watch,
Speaker 1: even with warnings from other lawmakers in that state that
Speaker 1: it was going on, and nothing was done. How about
Speaker 1: a billion dollars funding Somali terrorist Uh huh, that's what
Speaker 1: they're finding out. And even the Democrats are starting to
Speaker 1: jump on Governor Waltz now as well as the mainstream
Speaker 1: news because nobody wants him on that debate stage in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight. Can you imagine if that man had
Speaker 1: been elected vice president? On tonight show, we have Corin Clifford,
Speaker 1: who is an independent journalist works for SAT one two three,
Speaker 1: and we'll get her take on the Tim Waltz Minnesota
Speaker 1: scandal and everything else that's going on. On President Trump's
Speaker 1: new immigration halts, not just to nineteen countries, He's talked
Speaker 1: about expanding it and kicking some people out of the
Speaker 1: country who don't love our country, and we'll find out
Speaker 1: what she knows and thinks about that. Adam Hartage a
Speaker 1: former CIA operative who has a brand new book called
Speaker 1: The Alpha Blueprint, and it's about how to teach your
Speaker 1: kids in the next generation about AI and what is
Speaker 1: real and what really matters looking forward, to that, Dave
Speaker 1: Hatter with some tech talk before we're done, and the
Speaker 1: fur Ball Andy Furman. Plus at the top of next hour.
Speaker 1: We'll be repeating Saturday Mornings Rock and Roll Archaeology with
Speaker 1: myself and the music professor Jim Lebarber. For those who
Speaker 1: missed it, we can't podcast it because of the licensing
Speaker 1: rules for podcasts as opposed to our rules for broadcast.
Speaker 1: But if you didn't get it up at the crack
Speaker 1: of seven thirty five on Saturday, a chance to hear
Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Archaeology, the stories behind the great songs
Speaker 1: one more time tonight. The Nightcap continues in Moments with
Speaker 1: Adam Hartage here on seven hundred WLW, The Apple with
Speaker 1: Adam here on this show on seven hundred WLW. And
Speaker 1: Adam is a former CIAOP officer, and he has written
Speaker 1: a brand new book called The Alpha Blueprint, which is
Speaker 1: meant to teach the next generation how to cope with
Speaker 1: AI artificial intelligence because in many cases, I mean they
Speaker 1: are the generation of AI. They are the generation that
Speaker 1: has only known the social media and cell phones and
Speaker 1: connectivity like we never imagined when we were kids. And
Speaker 1: there are some daunting issues there obviously, and it's important
Speaker 1: for the next generation, your children, your grandchildren to understand
Speaker 1: what's real and what's fake. His name is Adam Hartage
Speaker 1: and he is back author of The Alpha Blueprint. Adam Hartige.
Speaker 1: How are you, sir?
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me back.
Speaker 3: Really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's talk about the book before we get
Speaker 1: into anything else. Adam, And we kind of kind of
Speaker 1: thumbnail covered it the last time you were on. But
Speaker 1: why do you feel like this is an important book
Speaker 1: for any parent to have in their possession and to
Speaker 1: have this information in dealing with the realities of the
Speaker 1: technology you today?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I appreciate the question, and I will put
Speaker 2: it this way. I think the conversation that parents need
Speaker 2: to be having with their kids today like before any others. Frankly,
Speaker 2: I think there's this conversation about AI and what it
Speaker 2: means for their future. So, I mean, I've got a
Speaker 2: ten year old daughter and I've got a seven year
Speaker 2: old son. You know, I looked at them one day
Speaker 2: and I thought, well, as a parent, what do I
Speaker 2: tell them in ten years? Do I say, Hey, kids,
Speaker 2: go to college, you know, get a four year degree,
Speaker 2: go work for a fortune. Five hundred company for thirty
Speaker 2: years and don't worry, your rop IRA and social Security
Speaker 2: will be there for you at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: You know, it occurred to me that that world is
Speaker 2: frankly dead and gone and buried. And you've now got
Speaker 2: companies that are replacing jobs with robots, and you've got
Speaker 2: companies that are shying away from humans in preference of
Speaker 2: AI tools, and these are going to be real major
Speaker 2: issues that this next generation and the Gen Z generation
Speaker 2: who's out there now, so there's years are the kids
Speaker 2: who are around twentieth year or so, and you know
Speaker 2: the alphas are you know, the age of my kids
Speaker 2: now the newborns call them the ten or so years
Speaker 2: old And uh, I mean it's I think that if
Speaker 2: a parent is not sitting down, you know, just hoping
Speaker 2: hoping that this that this passes em buyer, they think
Speaker 2: they can keep their head in the sand, you know,
Speaker 2: if they're not willing to sit down and have these
Speaker 2: very challenging conversations with their kids about like, Okay, what
Speaker 2: does the future look like for us as a family.
Speaker 2: You know, how am I going to teach my kids
Speaker 2: to to be able to stay relevant, stay solvent financially solvent, mentally.
Speaker 3: Healthy, and all these other things.
Speaker 2: So I looked at that and I said, well, I
Speaker 2: think I think the answers to these things, and I
Speaker 2: tend to view the world through a Christian lenz and
Speaker 2: so I said, I think the answers to these things
Speaker 2: kind of tend to go back to more timeless principles
Speaker 2: like faith, freedom, fitness, family, you know, foundational principles.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then one of the bigger things I harp on
Speaker 2: with my kids all the time is I tell them,
Speaker 2: you guys are growing up in a world where you
Speaker 2: cannot afford to be a liar. So not necessarily even
Speaker 2: because your dad doesn't want you to be a liar,
Speaker 2: or it's you know, you know wrong, or for moral
Speaker 2: reasons or whatever. I said, you cannot be a liar
Speaker 2: because people in your time, when your adults, will crave
Speaker 2: truth so much, because the world is completely you know,
Speaker 2: meant to pull the wool over their eyes and see them.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at everything now we have
Speaker 2: from you know, the competitive advertising, the government bureaucracies constantly
Speaker 2: lie too, I mean, endless conspiracy theories which all turn
Speaker 2: out to be true, you know. I mean, it's how
Speaker 2: do you discern truth, and how do you teach your
Speaker 2: children how to discern truth and understand fact from fiction?
Speaker 2: And so I, you know, to go into some of
Speaker 2: the some of the practical stuff. I'm hey, you know
Speaker 2: your dad was CIA. I can tell you what to
Speaker 2: look for. Here's what the lies, Here's what the mapulation,
Speaker 2: here's here's how you can tell when you're being targeted
Speaker 2: or deceived or manipulated. And so I go into some
Speaker 2: it's it's really a series of practical field guide type
Speaker 2: letters from a concerned father to his kids in the
Speaker 2: next generation, saying, you know, these are the things you're
Speaker 2: going to have to deal with. So let's get ahead
Speaker 2: of this now, because we can't just keep our head
Speaker 2: in the sand and expect it. You know, it's not
Speaker 2: going to become reality, because it's already here today.
Speaker 1: I think there is a growing skepticism among teenagers any way.
Speaker 1: A recent study by the News Literacy Project revealed that
Speaker 1: eighty four percent eighty four percent of American teenagers between
Speaker 1: the ages of thirteen and eighteen view the news media
Speaker 1: negatively describing it as fake and biased. So there are
Speaker 1: there are kids do have a radar about what's real
Speaker 1: and it's fake, but it's good to inform them to
Speaker 1: be vigilant, as you're doing in the Alpha Blueprint.
Speaker 4: Would you agree with that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And not only that, I mean, I'm I'm very
Speaker 2: hopeful or for this next for these next two generations,
Speaker 2: both the Ziers and the Alpha kids. I think they're strong.
Speaker 2: I think as a group, their ability to sniff out
Speaker 2: bs is better than really any group probably in history.
Speaker 2: Because like my kids, this was so telling. When my
Speaker 2: daughter was I don't know, three years old or whatever
Speaker 2: it was, and she walked up to the television and
Speaker 2: she started putting her fingers on it, trying to scroll
Speaker 2: scroll the TV, you know, And I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 2: you know, we live out in the country. Our kids
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of technology, you know. They they
Speaker 2: have an iPad.
Speaker 3: Kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but that's that's really about it. They spend
Speaker 2: a lot of time playing with their friends, playing outdoors,
Speaker 2: playing with the dog, you know, down at the lake,
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Supposed to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. But but I thought, wow, if even my
Speaker 2: daughter only three years old, already looks at the world
Speaker 2: and what she sees is the scrollable screen and she
Speaker 2: doesn't understand, you know, even even really how to speak
Speaker 2: very much yet at the age of three, but she
Speaker 2: knows technology. And so these kids are, you know, growing
Speaker 2: up on you know, their fluency level with technology is
Speaker 2: far beyond anything that that people our age, you know,
Speaker 2: can can speak to. But what they don't have necessarily
Speaker 2: is the moral fiber, the grit, the character, the worldly experience,
Speaker 2: the good compass and guideposts to send them, you know,
Speaker 2: in the right directions. And that's kind of what the
Speaker 2: book Little More focuses on, is how to build those
Speaker 2: kind of core foundational things in your children. So and
Speaker 2: a lot of it, you know, comes back to common sense,
Speaker 2: good parenting, you know, understanding your place in the world,
Speaker 2: and you know, as it relates to the almighty and
Speaker 2: high purpose here and turn into you know, some of
Speaker 2: the sort of more timeless, ancient principles that are all
Speaker 2: you know, encapsulated in the Big Book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, I was going to mention Adam that
Speaker 1: my wife and I at church this past Sunday. It's
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago. It was testimony Sunday, and
Speaker 1: one of the people that got up and talked was
Speaker 1: a local youth leader and he said and he's in
Speaker 1: schools with middle schoolers and high schoolers all the time,
Speaker 1: and he said, it's amazing how many kids are thirsty
Speaker 1: for the gospel, how many kids are going back to church,
Speaker 1: are interested in learning about Jesus and going to church.
Speaker 1: It it really is happening, not only locally, but all
Speaker 1: over the country free. And it's not just a reflex
Speaker 1: response to Charlie Kirk. It has been going on for
Speaker 1: a while. And you've got to be heartened about that,
Speaker 1: because when you want them to be able to distinguish
Speaker 1: between what is real and true and what's fake, there's
Speaker 1: a few better places to find that out than that absolutely.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, and they're so used to being manipulated
Speaker 2: and lied to by the media, buy social media. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like a good example is my business
Speaker 2: partner recently single was you know, met a girl on
Speaker 2: Instagram or whatever. They went on a date and afterwards
Speaker 2: she was like, man, He's like, I can't do this.
Speaker 2: He's like, because physically this person looks nothing like you know,
Speaker 2: the Instagram profile with all the filters and everything else,
Speaker 2: you know, And I'm like, yeah, I mean I get.
Speaker 2: That's just one small example, though, but when you're constantly,
Speaker 2: you know, when you constantly have that reality shoved at you,
Speaker 2: it makes it so that you can't really trust anything.
Speaker 2: And that's why I tell my kids, you know, you
Speaker 2: don't have the luxury of becoming a liar, because you
Speaker 2: need your kids, your your co cohorts, your colleagues. You know,
Speaker 2: as you grow up, will need to know that you
Speaker 2: are a person of character and backbone that they can
Speaker 2: turn to and rely on, because you guys aren't going
Speaker 2: to have much reality other than physical close human contact
Speaker 2: as your community.
Speaker 1: As an EXCIA operative Adam Hartage, what did you make
Speaker 1: of the six elected lawmakers, all with intelligence and military ties,
Speaker 1: telling troops that they can disobey a commander in chief's
Speaker 1: orders if they find that they are illegal. That, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is classics. See I am manipulation in other countries.
Speaker 6: Is it not?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: But well also it's so disingenuous, all of it, because so,
Speaker 5: I mean, these people aren't idiots, and so first of all,
Speaker 5: I found it reprehensible, I feeling it completely unprofessional.
Speaker 2: I found it, uh disgusting and you know, wrong. But
Speaker 2: I mean, these people aren't idiots, and so they use
Speaker 2: words like okay, you know, it's your duty to to uh,
Speaker 2: you know, to refuse an illegal order. Yeah, but then
Speaker 2: they kind of imply that Trump's already giving these illegal orders,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, what is the illegal order? This
Speaker 2: is why you have to unpack all these things. So
Speaker 2: because first off, any military officer or any government oath
Speaker 2: of office officer, so like I was a CIA operations officer,
Speaker 2: there is a federal you know, I take an oath
Speaker 2: of office for that. When I was a military officer,
Speaker 2: I took an oath of office for that. And anyone
Speaker 2: who is an officer in the government knows that they
Speaker 2: has not just the right, but a moral obligation and
Speaker 2: a duty to refuse unlawful illegal orders. Everybody knows that right.
Speaker 2: But what we're doing is so dishonest because they they
Speaker 2: say that, but they're trying to make it seem like
Speaker 2: Trump has already issued all of these illegal orders and
Speaker 2: they're going way outside of you know, Uniform Code of
Speaker 2: Military Justice or Title fifty year, Title ten or any
Speaker 2: of the other you know, legalistic stuff. But it's just
Speaker 2: bs and it's designed to manipulate you, pull the wall
Speaker 2: over your eyes and get you going. It's rage bait.
Speaker 2: It's designed to get people going Trump bad, Orange Man bad.
Speaker 2: You know, he's doing illegal things and constitutions under threat.
Speaker 3: All this other stuff.
Speaker 2: It's disingenuous, it's deceitful, and it's frankly reprehensible. I'm so
Speaker 2: tired of the Left constantly putting politics and party over
Speaker 2: duty and you know, the right. I'm just I'm sick
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: The book is The Alpha Blueprint, Preparing the Next Generation
Speaker 1: for an AI Future. The author is Adam Hardage, and
Speaker 1: I loved what you said. Is the first thing you
Speaker 1: tell your kids is make sure you're not a liar,
Speaker 1: because liars abound everywhere and you don't want to be
Speaker 1: known that way.
Speaker 4: Adam, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, No, no, I was just yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean that way. You keep your keep your keep your
Speaker 2: fund family, keep them close. You know, I'll always be honest.
Speaker 2: Leave from the front.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, pick up the book, The Alpha Blueprint. Adam,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much. Having wonderful have a wonderful week.
Speaker 1: God bless all right, Uh, we'll switch gears and Danny
Speaker 1: was my second amendment friend will join us right afternoons,
Speaker 1: which is next on the Nightcap on seven under W
Speaker 1: l W. He is again first time after a long time,
Speaker 1: and it's been too long in my opinion, but that's
Speaker 1: probably my fault. Is the guy who has been shining
Speaker 1: a beacon of light on American freedom and liberty and
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment, the blessed Second Amendment of our United
Speaker 1: States Constitution in the Bill of Rights for over a decade.
Speaker 1: He is the author of the Good Gun, Bad Guy
Speaker 1: series of books.
Speaker 4: He is a.
Speaker 1: Former well a former non gun owner kind of guy
Speaker 1: who got hip to the truth and has been leading
Speaker 1: the charge for our freedom ever since.
Speaker 4: Dan was is back on the Nightcap.
Speaker 3: How you doing, Danny, Gary Jeff Hey, great, Great to
Speaker 3: be on your show as always and doing good.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: Great to have you back.
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Okay, everything go well with the family and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I ate way too much and now this whole
Speaker 2: week it's nothing but salad.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've gone that dramatically, you know,
Speaker 1: backwards in my diet since Thanksgiving, but I will tell
Speaker 1: you this, I did not want another bite to eat.
Speaker 1: We ate at noon and we didn't eat anything the
Speaker 1: rest of the day because dude, I was stuffed.
Speaker 4: It was great.
Speaker 1: So here we are, And I kind of ask you
Speaker 1: this every year. But if you've got somebody on your
Speaker 1: Christmas list first and foremost who was interested in being
Speaker 1: a first time gun owner, or you have a gun
Speaker 1: owner on your list, do you have any recommendations?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, this is a tough one because everybody
Speaker 2: is a little bit different. You know, when I started out,
Speaker 2: I started with an LCP three eighty, which was, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, not a good gun to carry if you're
Speaker 2: new to carry. There's there's the shield, and there's some
Speaker 2: other smaller, you know, compact nine milimeters guns that are
Speaker 2: usually pretty pretty good. But I hate to do a
Speaker 2: recommendation because you know, it depends on how you're gonna
Speaker 2: carry and carry in your waistband, you're gonna carry in
Speaker 2: your ankle, you're gonna carry in your purse. You know,
Speaker 2: a lot of things are different. So I would recommend
Speaker 2: go to your local gun shop.
Speaker 4: And just testing out handle them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, check them out and
Speaker 2: see which ones you like and do you want a
Speaker 2: mechanical safety or not. You know, a lot of different variables,
Speaker 2: so it's hard to really make a recommendation. But there
Speaker 2: are a lot. I mean, there's no limit on the
Speaker 2: models out right now. It's just unbelievable. You have your
Speaker 2: your choice of all sorts of stuff. It's really a
Speaker 2: great time for handguns.
Speaker 1: I know that in your work with a Good Gunbadguy
Speaker 1: dot Com with amal Land that you do some writing
Speaker 1: for them and you do all kinds of stuff on
Speaker 1: video on YouTube.
Speaker 4: The Loaded Mic show, is that still going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing Loaded Mic every week. We're getting ready
Speaker 2: for a big Christmas special, which is a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: We bring in Charlie Cook and John Pech you know,
Speaker 2: good friends of ours also in the Second Amendment world,
Speaker 2: so they come down, they come up to our studio
Speaker 2: in New York and we have a blast. But Loaded
Speaker 2: Mike is still going. It's actually we just got on
Speaker 2: a new network called Spreely, the Spreely Network, which is
Speaker 2: bringing us tons and tons of new fans and viewers.
Speaker 2: So if you want, go to Loadedmike dot com.
Speaker 3: And check that out.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the show is great. We're having a blast
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 1: Good deal, good deal. Did you see the news story?
Speaker 1: I saw this somewhere on late night news and I
Speaker 1: thought it was a joke at first, but then I
Speaker 1: realized that we're dealing with a country that's barely a
Speaker 1: country anymore, England. This guy was on vacation in the
Speaker 1: United States, this brit and he was in Florida and
Speaker 1: he posted a picture on social media of him holding
Speaker 1: a rifle and he was arrested when he got back
Speaker 1: home for inspiring fear, for holding an illegal firearm. He
Speaker 1: wasn't even in country. He was in the United States.
Speaker 1: And did you hear about this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah I did.
Speaker 2: And you know what's interesting if you look at this
Speaker 2: conceptually or you know, ideologically, the Brits they are deadly
Speaker 2: afraid of their citizens having firearms because they remember what
Speaker 2: happened in the Revolutionary War. They tried, they tried to
Speaker 2: take control, but it was the people over here who decided, no,
Speaker 2: we're not going to let you do it, and we
Speaker 2: kicked their ass. And the reason we did it was
Speaker 2: because we had firearms. So they will do everything they
Speaker 2: can deter positive any positive, you know, thing about about
Speaker 2: firearms or guns or anything. So I'm not surprised that
Speaker 2: they did it. I mean, it's it is shocking on
Speaker 2: one level. It's like, how the heck are we, where
Speaker 2: do we? How do we do this? This is just
Speaker 2: so controlling and so but over there, I'm not surprised
Speaker 2: because they The worst thing that could happen to them
Speaker 2: right now, the government that is, is their people get power,
Speaker 2: because what's happening right now is are getting overloaded with
Speaker 2: it with Islam, yes, radical Islamist, and they're taking over
Speaker 2: and and they they desperately want their the citizens, the
Speaker 2: good people, to be disarmed so they can have more
Speaker 2: control over them.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's it's turning into a hell hole over there from
Speaker 2: what I can see, and it's just a it's a
Speaker 2: sad place when you can't defend yourself.
Speaker 1: It's that unfettered open border kind of mentality. Immigration that's
Speaker 1: been going on in the UK for quite some time now.
Speaker 1: You know, the mayor of London is is is Islamic
Speaker 1: and has you know, talked about Sharia law.
Speaker 4: Being the law of the land.
Speaker 1: And you have all these Islamis that are now have
Speaker 1: migrated and they want complete control over the population. And
Speaker 1: you know what, that's that's part of the disarmament move
Speaker 1: as you just mentioned. The other part of it is
Speaker 1: that they don't have apparently any kind of protection in
Speaker 1: their own law to keep this from happening, from from
Speaker 1: the government being an absolute answer no matter what the
Speaker 1: people actually want. That's what you get. You know, it
Speaker 1: used to be the monarchy. It used to be the monarchy.
Speaker 1: Now it's parliament that has adopted the same kind of
Speaker 1: We are the kings, we know better than the peasants
Speaker 1: and the serfs, so we will overlord you. And like
Speaker 1: you said, the Islamists have taken charge of that government.
Speaker 7: Any thoughts, Well, yeah, I mean that's the way it's
Speaker 7: always been. The one thing that they hate is, you know,
Speaker 7: people like us who said now I'm not going to
Speaker 7: deal with it anymore. You're done, and took took three
Speaker 7: percent of the population to to take care of business
Speaker 7: and become free, break away, you know, and become free.
Speaker 3: They don't want that.
Speaker 2: They love that control. That's that's what that's that's what
Speaker 2: they're all about about.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's the same it's the same thing here
Speaker 1: with people who oppose your right to own and bear firearms. Dan,
Speaker 1: And we've got to be constantly vigilant that we do
Speaker 1: not become that society that we fought a bloody revolutionary
Speaker 1: war to break away from. And it's it's a battle
Speaker 1: that you guys and gun owners of America and the
Speaker 1: rest of us who believe in our constance, in the
Speaker 1: Bill of Rights are fighting every day we.
Speaker 3: Have we're fighting.
Speaker 2: We're fighting against fellow citizens, Democrats, liberals, progress as we're
Speaker 2: fighting against them. Yeah, they're the ones who are trying
Speaker 2: to take away I write, that's the most astonishing thing.
Speaker 2: It's hard to If I wasn't right in the middle
Speaker 2: of it, it would be I would look at it
Speaker 2: and go, what's wrong here? What are these people crazy?
Speaker 2: They want to give up our freedom and they know
Speaker 2: that we real Americans won't let them, and they hate that.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. In the upcoming governor's
Speaker 1: race you're in New York does does anybody on the
Speaker 1: right does Stephanic, at least Stephanic have a legitimate chance
Speaker 1: to beat Kathy Hogle in this governor's race in twenty
Speaker 1: sixth And what do you.
Speaker 2: Think when I see local doubtlets, local media outlets say.
Speaker 3: Local still holds a lead. H They say this a lot.
Speaker 2: And when I when I see that, I recognize it.
Speaker 2: When they were talking about Hillary Clinton in the general
Speaker 2: in the general election, they were saying she's still ahead,
Speaker 2: she's still ahead, she's still in what happened. But so
Speaker 2: they need their people to feel good. You remember Democrats
Speaker 2: and the liberals, they need to be coddled, they need
Speaker 2: to be they need to feel good. So they're always
Speaker 2: saying locals in the league. But there's been some polls
Speaker 2: where Stephanic is showing that she's neck and neck. So
Speaker 2: I have a good idea that she Stephani could actually
Speaker 2: take this one because Lee's elden last time around came
Speaker 2: really close. But I I wouldn't put it past the
Speaker 2: New York legislature to to make to do some cheating.
Speaker 2: You know that you never trust trusted Democrats when it
Speaker 2: comes to that. But so to summarize, the Democrats are saying,
Speaker 2: the left wing media is saying the hope will still
Speaker 2: in the lead, but there's some polls coming out this
Speaker 2: shows disgusted on.
Speaker 6: Neck and neck.
Speaker 1: Well, and this is what happens when you get a
Speaker 1: governor who at first blush in the first allyed what
Speaker 1: wasn't even elected, was just appointed appointed, appointed.
Speaker 4: By by Cuomo, and uh then then.
Speaker 2: You know she and then let me just have been there.
Speaker 3: Gary.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to interrupt you. But then the next time around,
Speaker 2: she she barely won.
Speaker 3: And we're talking about a.
Speaker 2: Democrat majority here, a supermajority in all, and she barely won,
Speaker 2: but she did have the Democratic machine behind her, which
Speaker 2: is why she she pulled it off the second time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about that. Well, what's going on with
Speaker 1: the gun laws as we look to the new year?
Speaker 3: Dan?
Speaker 4: What uh? What battles?
Speaker 1: Are you guys ready to fight to keep people free?
Speaker 7: Well, we we want right now.
Speaker 2: The HR thirty eight, which is the Constitutional Concealed Carry
Speaker 2: Reciprocity Act. That means you'll be able to take your
Speaker 2: gun regardless of the state you come from, and travel
Speaker 2: in and out with your concealed carry gun in any
Speaker 2: state right in the nach and you will be bound
Speaker 2: by the same you know, concealed carry restrictions of your state,
Speaker 2: your home state, just like your driver's license. And that's
Speaker 2: what we really want. And you know, people say, well,
Speaker 2: we don't, We shouldn't have a permit at all, and
Speaker 2: I totally agree.
Speaker 3: But this is a good.
Speaker 2: Step until we can get ourselves to a place where
Speaker 2: we can have constitutional carry, which is what our founding
Speaker 2: fathers always wanted. Constitutional carry. There would be no government
Speaker 2: issue permission slip needed.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean they can't even they can't even vote
Speaker 1: to keep the government open. How are they, Oh, you're
Speaker 1: expecting in Congress to pass something that makes so much
Speaker 1: sense when they can't even fully fund themselves with our money.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: You do make it sound ridiculous, I know, but I
Speaker 2: have high hopes.
Speaker 4: And the bill again is HR.
Speaker 2: HR thirty eight.
Speaker 3: Keep your eye on that one, Hi.
Speaker 4: Just remember thirty eight caliber HR thirty eight.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Are they still going crazy trying to impose red flag
Speaker 1: laws across the country?
Speaker 3: Dan? Oh, of course, red flag laws are.
Speaker 2: Red flag laws are something that they would just love
Speaker 2: to have. And I hear Democrats all the time talking
Speaker 2: about it. Red flag law is probably the most dangerous
Speaker 2: thing you could you could have because basically it's confiscation
Speaker 2: without due process. And anybody with red flag laws typically
Speaker 2: the accuser can be practically anyone and sometimes anonymous, which
Speaker 2: is scary. So of course they want that. That way,
Speaker 2: they can, you know, say, oh, well, if they don't
Speaker 2: get j Walker, he's a he's a risk to society,
Speaker 2: but don't get his guns, and then we'll figure it
Speaker 2: out later.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they could actually say I'm a
Speaker 1: risk to society. They used to say I was a
Speaker 1: risk to myself, which was probably true.
Speaker 3: What are you.
Speaker 4: But I'm sorry, what what are you working on right now?
Speaker 3: Right now? Yeah, right now, I'm doing a thing.
Speaker 2: I'm concerned right now with gun free zones, and it's
Speaker 2: becoming pretty bad across the country. Different states where you know,
Speaker 2: there's there's laws right now. In New York, for instance,
Speaker 2: there's a law you know, it still says that you
Speaker 2: have to put a sign up to welcome guns rather
Speaker 2: than a sign up, you know, to turning them. So
Speaker 2: it's called the vampire rule. We call it the vampire rule,
Speaker 2: and it means that in order to bring a gun
Speaker 2: into a publicly a publicly accessed private business, you would
Speaker 2: have to have written permission, in other words, sign on
Speaker 2: the on the business saying the guns are welcome. That's
Speaker 2: that's the vampire rule, you know. Vampires. The theory is
Speaker 2: a vampire couldn't come into your home unless you invited
Speaker 2: them in.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite, one of my favorite lines
Speaker 1: from the movie Lass Boys.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well exactly, Well that's what they're you know,
Speaker 2: that's what they're trying to do with firearms, and nobody's
Speaker 2: got to put us sign ups saying guns are welcome,
Speaker 2: because if they do, they're they're going to be afraid
Speaker 2: of you know, left wingers. You know, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: Molotov cocktail in their business.
Speaker 1: Or or you know, right, I said guns were welcome,
Speaker 1: not molotov cocktails.
Speaker 4: You commys.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 2: So that's one thing that I'm concerned with right now
Speaker 2: is red flag laws. And you want HR thirty eight,
Speaker 2: and we want our d OJ and Pam Bond to
Speaker 2: get on board with the removing short barrel rifles, short
Speaker 2: brow shotguns, and silencers from the National Firearms Act because
Speaker 2: ultimately it's a registry. It's a gun registry, and we
Speaker 2: obviously don't want that because once the guns are registered,
Speaker 2: and then you have red flag laws, you have the
Speaker 2: access now to confiscate guns and you know exactly where
Speaker 2: they are. So those are two things that really concern
Speaker 2: me right now.
Speaker 1: And the thing is when these red flag laws take
Speaker 1: effect and they compensate your gun, you've got to wage
Speaker 1: a long court battle just to prove that you're not
Speaker 1: a threat to anybody, and so you're out of pocket
Speaker 1: that money paying for a lawyer and going to court,
Speaker 1: and then you still may not get your gun back.
Speaker 2: And you want a little statistic on that, I think
Speaker 2: it's about eighty five percent of the people who get
Speaker 2: caught up in those red flag laws do not fight
Speaker 2: it because they who don't have the time or the
Speaker 2: money or the will.
Speaker 4: It's a damn shame. All right, Dan Walls, thank you
Speaker 4: so much.
Speaker 1: Good Gunbadguy dot com still a good place to find you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yep, gunback dot com.
Speaker 4: All right, fantastic.
Speaker 1: Danny was Second Amendment hero on the Nightcap back in
Speaker 1: just a moment. It's always nice to have this young
Speaker 1: lady on. We only have really talked to her once before,
Speaker 1: and then I really couldn't talk to her because it
Speaker 1: was election day and she had absolutely lost her voice.
Speaker 1: But she is in full throated glory now. Independent journalist
Speaker 1: Karen Clifford. She covers a lot of things. She covers
Speaker 1: the whole gamut, from politics to natural disasters and emergencies.
Speaker 1: She herself lost so much in the Palisades Park fire
Speaker 1: in California, so she knows of natural disasters and emergencies.
Speaker 1: And she also was a big fan of SAT one, two, three,
Speaker 1: dot com. But Karen is with us now to talk
Speaker 1: about Informed News Network, which she founded this year. And
Speaker 1: I think it's really laughable that a journalist has to
Speaker 1: have found the Informed News Network because I see so
Speaker 1: many so called journalists every day on TV and elsewhere
Speaker 1: who simply don't act like they know anything. They're not
Speaker 1: informed on anything. They just parent talking points that have
Speaker 1: been sent out by whatever their powers at V are
Speaker 1: Krin Clifford. Welcome to the Nightcap.
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 8: I am so grateful to be with you today. It
Speaker 8: is basically snowing in Washington, DC. It's about thirty degrees
Speaker 8: out and it is freezing at the White House yesterday.
Speaker 8: My toes FROs, my fingers FROs. So I am so
Speaker 8: excited to get the truths to the public because there
Speaker 8: is so much uninformed news in the White House Press Corps,
Speaker 8: in the Senate Press Corps, and now the Pentagon. The
Speaker 8: Pentagon has created a whole new press corps which is
Speaker 8: super exciting. Tons of my life friends who are real journalists,
Speaker 8: like James O'Keefe and Laura Luma, and they have the
Speaker 8: most amazing press corps now with cam Higbee and so
Speaker 8: what the Pentagon is doing. I think is super critical
Speaker 8: to happen for every agency in Washington, DC because there
Speaker 8: is so much fake news. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 8: you and I were discussing the fout that the White
Speaker 8: House now has a whole website on white House dot
Speaker 8: com that exposes the fake news.
Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, it's about time.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned mister O'Keefe, it's nice to have Project
Speaker 1: Veritas not have to go undercover. Now they can be
Speaker 1: out in the open and actually give people the information
Speaker 1: that most of us want. There was a new study
Speaker 1: out that showed that a majority of young people and
Speaker 1: not voters, but thirteen to eighteen year olds, don't trust
Speaker 1: the news media. I mean a majority of kids just
Speaker 1: think that it's all fake and biased. So even they
Speaker 1: know what has been going on in our news media
Speaker 1: in this country, cared.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And that's what I'm really concerned about because I'm
Speaker 8: actually in the White House Press Corp. And yesterday I
Speaker 8: actually was confronted by a couple of the fake news journalists.
Speaker 8: I don't want to say their names, but the bottom
Speaker 8: line is, you know, one of them's with the independence
Speaker 8: that the White House is exposing to be fake news,
Speaker 8: and you know, they are saying crazy stuff, saying President
Speaker 8: Trump is preasoners. They're saying things like, you know, Pete
Speaker 8: Headsets doesn't have the right to bomb the drug boats.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's getting ridiculous at this point.
Speaker 4: These are journalists saying this.
Speaker 8: They're saying a lot of fake news, and the Trump
Speaker 8: administration is actually beginning to expose them. Yeah, and so
Speaker 8: I think that's good for all of us because everyone
Speaker 8: who pays their cable bill and they paid for these
Speaker 8: news agencies where they paid for these these news memberships. Okay, Politico,
Speaker 8: one of my best friends is suing Politico for one
Speaker 8: hundred and fifty million dollars because Politico wrote fake news
Speaker 8: about him. Another one of my friends is having.
Speaker 3: To sue President Trump. Had to sue.
Speaker 8: President Trump, had to sue CBS, President Trump had to
Speaker 8: sue YouTube. I mean, it's never ending with the fake news.
Speaker 8: So where are these news narratives coming from. That's what
Speaker 8: I'm concerned about. Potentially a lot of these news nerdalists
Speaker 8: and a lot of these news narratives are people who
Speaker 8: are real Democrats, people who are real Antifa type liberals,
Speaker 8: and or being paid for their news narratives. But I'm
Speaker 8: really worried that there's still is CIA mockingbird media because
Speaker 8: this is what I'm worried about. I go to all
Speaker 8: the press conferences, I'm in the White House pretty much
Speaker 8: every day. There's fifty five seats. Who's actually in those
Speaker 8: fifty five seats? New media like me, we have to
Speaker 8: stand on the sides. So what I'm concerned about is
Speaker 8: in those fifty five seats, I rarely see the same
Speaker 8: people show up. That's what I'm worried about. So every
Speaker 8: time there's a new person in one of these fifty
Speaker 8: five seats, that means that there is someone creating their
Speaker 8: news narrative and telling them what to say. Their questions
Speaker 8: are too calculated. Oh so there is a very dangerous
Speaker 8: component to the news and I do believe it. How
Speaker 8: to do with the CIA mockingbird media that President Trump
Speaker 8: hasn't been able to fire yet. The head of the
Speaker 8: CIA requip we haven't fired these people yet, and I
Speaker 8: don't know why.
Speaker 1: Well, it's such an entrenched administrative state. I mean, people
Speaker 1: talk about the deep state and the swamp carenn but
Speaker 1: it is real. It has been around entrenched in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. Unelected bureaucrats and people who want to wield
Speaker 1: that power without any kind of accountability or responsibility to
Speaker 1: the voter, which the Constitution doesn't call for a fourth
Speaker 1: branch of government, but that's exactly what it is, and oftentimes, sadly,
Speaker 1: it is more powerful than the judicial, the legislative, or
Speaker 1: the executive branch. And it's been there entrenched for a
Speaker 1: long long time. You can't root that out in a
Speaker 1: few months time. But President Trump and the White House
Speaker 1: have been absolutely efforting to do that.
Speaker 4: I would, I will, that's what we're fighting.
Speaker 8: And listen, they have found a way to fund themselves
Speaker 8: with government grants. So the real news is that these
Speaker 8: news agencies have found ways to cover themselves. Like NPR, PBS,
Speaker 8: Political they get government grants. Politico is owned by a
Speaker 8: very wealthy globalist in Germany. It's not America. First, it's
Speaker 8: not American. They don't care about America. And so we
Speaker 8: really need to weed this stuff out, like the Pentagon
Speaker 8: has just done in their press corps.
Speaker 1: Well, when the taxpayers of Minnesota give a bill million
Speaker 1: dollars to a terrorist organization in Somalia, you know you
Speaker 1: know that again, that's something that is just now being reported.
Speaker 1: It's been going on de facto. For the entire seven
Speaker 1: years of Tim waltz tenure as governor of Minnesota, there
Speaker 1: have been twenty eight at least twenty eight large fraudulent
Speaker 1: thefts of taxpayer money in the name of charity in
Speaker 1: Minnesota since he's been governor.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine if that man was Vice president.
Speaker 1: I wanted to switch gears Corin and talk about as
Speaker 1: we're talking about the uninformed news network and the people
Speaker 1: who are just parroting narratives for globalist and Marxist means
Speaker 1: in the White House, press corps and elsewhere. This Venezuela
Speaker 1: drug boat hoax that is now going around and you
Speaker 1: know something about this, are trying to pit the Secretary
Speaker 1: of War Pete Hegseth against the commander in chief, Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: You can talk to that for a few moments, if
Speaker 1: you would please.
Speaker 8: I'm very concerned about that, because that's what these news
Speaker 8: media agencies that are fake news potential CIA deep state
Speaker 8: potential agencies that are run and funded by foreign governments
Speaker 8: that we don't even know where understand, like Politico. Basically,
Speaker 8: what they're trying to do is pit President Trump against
Speaker 8: his actual cabinet members. Right now, as you and I
Speaker 8: are talking, President Trump is having a cabinet meeting. Because
Speaker 8: this is what they're trying to do. They try to
Speaker 8: get in between President Trump and as cabinet members. They
Speaker 8: try to get in between President Trump and his core
Speaker 8: base of America first patriots and make them fight with
Speaker 8: each other. And you know, they're accusing President Trump of
Speaker 8: who knows treason. I mean, this is ridiculous. President Trump
Speaker 8: is totally within his legal authority to protect us in
Speaker 8: the United States of America, and everything he's doing is
Speaker 8: protecting us America first.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 8: So I'm very concerned about this, and I'm grateful that
Speaker 8: you're letting me talk to you about this because this
Speaker 8: is the most in banned and censor news and you know,
Speaker 8: a lot of Americans just can't handle this, and so
Speaker 8: they just watch the news. It's easy to get to,
Speaker 8: but it's really time to pick and choose the news
Speaker 8: that you watch, and it's getting few and far between.
Speaker 8: I can tell you that the people that I trust
Speaker 8: in the news are under twelve, potentially ten people and
Speaker 8: it's not the people you would think. So it's and
Speaker 8: it changes every month because people are just selling out
Speaker 8: and I'm just very concerned. I'm worried that a lot
Speaker 8: of the state news is funded by foreign interests, potentially
Speaker 8: the Chinese Communist Party.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no question that the CCP has a vested
Speaker 1: interest in infiltrating and in indoctrinate not only the media
Speaker 1: but the American public for their own personal gain and
Speaker 1: their efforts that have gone on now for more than
Speaker 1: one hundred years to be the dominant power on the
Speaker 1: world stage. I wanted to talk to you too about
Speaker 1: what happened sadly Thanksgiving with our National Guardsman Sarah who
Speaker 1: was murdered and her other fellow National Guardsman from West
Speaker 1: Virginia who has been clinging to life in the hospital,
Speaker 1: and this Afghani who was let in by the Biden
Speaker 1: administration in the wake of the withdrawal from Afghanistan, and
Speaker 1: the thousands of others who came with him, who the
Speaker 1: CIA says, we're thoroughly vetted, and he had been well
Speaker 1: known to the CIA and helped them for years in Afghanistan,
Speaker 1: so they felt like he was no threat to come
Speaker 1: to America and have a life that maybe he was
Speaker 1: promised by those CIA operatives and this guy, there's no
Speaker 1: way that they could have vetted eighty six thousand people,
Speaker 1: especially coming from Afghanistan. And that's why President Trump has
Speaker 1: been so vigilant and vehement about stopping halting all immigration
Speaker 1: from all of these countries where they don't love America,
Speaker 1: they don't love American or Western values, and they you know,
Speaker 1: the places where there's basically no government whatsoever to even
Speaker 1: tell you who these people are.
Speaker 8: Very concerning because I was there actually and I got
Speaker 8: stuck in a lockdown. We got locked down at the
Speaker 8: White House, and we didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 8: And I was fully prepared because let me just tell
Speaker 8: you something, I walk around with a bullet priest pack
Speaker 8: and a satellite phone, and I walk around with my
Speaker 8: important things like keys and critical credit cards, government IDs
Speaker 8: in a Faraday bag.
Speaker 6: And that's what's so.
Speaker 8: Important, is that I want everyone to go to SAT
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Speaker 8: I want them to go there. And this makes the
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Speaker 8: because everything I get from SAT one two three SAT
Speaker 8: one two three dot com I use, and so I
Speaker 8: actually felt safe in this situation I know that sounds crazy.
Speaker 8: It was really traumatic and I was there and I
Speaker 8: got caught up. They closed everything off, and first they
Speaker 8: told me that the two National Guards people were from Alabama,
Speaker 8: and they first they told me they were both dead.
Speaker 8: So in the beginning I didn't have right information because
Speaker 8: the police are known to give us fake information. And
Speaker 8: then I couldn't stay there until Cashpetel started telling us
Speaker 8: the real information. There was so much conflicting information, which
Speaker 8: I think is really important people understand that. And so now,
Speaker 8: of course you know the twenty year old National Guards women,
Speaker 8: they're from West Virginia. She has passed. And the other gentlemen.
Speaker 8: I don't even like to say his name, but pray
Speaker 8: for him in spirit because he's fighting for his life.
Speaker 8: I don't think he'll make it. Even if he does
Speaker 8: make it, it's a tragedy. But thank you God that no
Speaker 8: one else got sot in the soft fire, because since
Speaker 8: I have been to the location and the Afghan national
Speaker 8: was using some type of a handgun and there were
Speaker 8: lots of bullets everywhere. It wasn't just one or two
Speaker 8: or three.
Speaker 4: Arm was shooting.
Speaker 1: Karin, thank you so much for your time. Ours is
Speaker 1: UPSat one two three dot com. Let's get that in
Speaker 1: again for your safety in times of emergency or in
Speaker 1: the times we live in. I appreciate it and keep
Speaker 1: up the good work.
Speaker 4: Karin. Thank you, so God.
Speaker 8: Bless you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Petere Hedy December two, twenty twenty five. Joining us now
Speaker 1: for this half hour is a guy that I've been
Speaker 1: talking to for eons now it seems about the Internet
Speaker 1: of things world in which we live, AI chat, GPT, hoaxes,
Speaker 1: things to watch out for on your cell phone, and
Speaker 1: anything else he can think of that has called from
Speaker 1: today's tech headlines. And because of his warnings and admonitions
Speaker 1: to me and to you through the years, I've fended
Speaker 1: off another attack over the weekend. Dave Hatter from Interest
Speaker 1: It is here also the mayor of fort Wright.
Speaker 4: By the way, were you were you.
Speaker 1: Manning the snowplows this morning? Dave and fort Wright?
Speaker 6: Well and always Gary Jeff, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 6: And no, I was not managed to snow plows this morning.
Speaker 6: We have a crack team and our three person public
Speaker 6: works department and some other folks that come in to
Speaker 6: get the job done.
Speaker 1: When you say crack team, are you speaking to their
Speaker 1: acumen or their addictions their acumen. Okay, okay, very very good.
Speaker 1: So first and foremost, I wanted to tell you. I
Speaker 1: think I did call you over the weekend telling you
Speaker 1: how proud I was that I'd learned from all of
Speaker 1: your tutelage about phone calls. I got a phone call
Speaker 1: at nine o'clock on Friday night and i'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go to bed to get ready for
Speaker 1: Saturday morning. And it's a US Bank, so they said.
Speaker 1: And it was even the number that I use to
Speaker 1: contact US Bank, the eight hundred number that came up
Speaker 1: on my phone and said US Bank. So I answered it,
Speaker 1: and the voice on the other end said, good afternoon.
Speaker 1: I said, well, it's even if you were on the
Speaker 1: West coast, it's not afternoon anymore. Okay, who's this? Well
Speaker 1: it's evening, thank you sir, Well, good evening. Then this
Speaker 1: is US Bank fraud Security. Do you know someone named
Speaker 1: Blah Blah blah in Florida? And did you issue a
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred dollars payment to them through your account?
Speaker 1: I said no, I don't know anybody in Florida not
Speaker 1: with that name. And I didn't. That's not me Okay, well,
Speaker 1: we just want to verify. We need the last four
Speaker 1: digits of your social Security number just to verify. I said, no,
Speaker 1: you're not getting the last four digits of my social
Speaker 1: Security number or any other information for me. By that
Speaker 1: way over the phone, I did the right thing.
Speaker 3: Right, Dave, you did?
Speaker 6: You did, Cary, Jeff, And you know, I've had a
Speaker 6: similar type of scenario. I want to come back to yours.
Speaker 6: But like in my case, my wife and I are
Speaker 6: sitting on the couch. She gets a phone call from
Speaker 6: purportedly from USAA, that's who we bank with. There's some
Speaker 6: kind of fraud on your account, blah blah, blah blah.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, okay, this is some kind of scam.
Speaker 3: Hang up.
Speaker 6: And you know, then we went and logged into our account,
Speaker 6: checked to make sure everything was okay, went ahead and
Speaker 6: changed our paths where it just to be safe. But
Speaker 6: one of the reasons why this thing is prevalent, right is,
Speaker 6: first off, it's really easy to spoof a phone number.
Speaker 6: It takes almost zero technical skill to send a text
Speaker 6: or make a phone call and make the number that
Speaker 6: appears on the recipient's phone any number I want it
Speaker 6: to be. You know, the phone system is old. It's
Speaker 6: been around for over one hundred years. When it was designed,
Speaker 6: it was not designed to stop this sort of spoofing, right,
Speaker 6: so it's trivially easy for bad guys to make a
Speaker 6: call appear from any number. So you know, my typical
Speaker 6: advice is never answer the phone from a number you
Speaker 6: don't recognize if it's important to leave a message. But understand,
Speaker 6: even if you recognize the number, like in your case,
Speaker 6: it does not mean it's legit, and people really really
Speaker 6: need to take that the heart first off. So you know,
Speaker 6: if you see a number come across and it looks
Speaker 6: like a familiar number, year you trust it and you
Speaker 6: answer the phone, which you know in that case, I
Speaker 6: could understand why you would. Then you have got to
Speaker 6: be immediately incredibly skeptical understand that in many cases, So
Speaker 6: is it random chance that you just happened to get
Speaker 6: a call from your bank quote unquote? Maybe you know
Speaker 6: in some cases these sorts of phishing attacks. Now, in
Speaker 6: text messages it's called smishing, and in voice calls it's
Speaker 6: called fishing, but it's all basically the same idea. I'm
Speaker 6: just going to blast stuff out there, right, Some of
Speaker 6: these phishing attacks are just random. They're just blasting stuff
Speaker 6: out and you know, hoping that you won't question that
Speaker 6: that's I don't use this bank. Right, but thanks to
Speaker 6: all of the giant data leaks and data breaches we've
Speaker 6: had over the years, national public data, for example, billions
Speaker 6: of records lost. It's a background check company. Think about
Speaker 6: the sense of information you put out there in a
Speaker 6: background check. Places you've worked, places you've lived, places you've banked,
Speaker 6: all kinds of sensitive stuff. Right, So when the hackers
Speaker 6: have access to that information, they can know, hey, when
Speaker 6: we send this text or when we make this call
Speaker 6: to this Gary Jeff Walker guy, he uses this bank.
Speaker 6: This bank's phone number is X. So it is entirely
Speaker 6: within the realm of possibility that it's not just random
Speaker 6: chance they hit your bank. They're using information that they
Speaker 6: have bought, stolen, etc. From all these leaks to target you.
Speaker 6: They know you use a certain bank, they know you
Speaker 6: use Amazon or whatever. The scam is. Right, So if
Speaker 6: you know that the phone number is easily spoofed, just
Speaker 6: like an email address is easily spoofed, and and you
Speaker 6: know they have all this sensitive information so they can
Speaker 6: claim to be from bank x oh, and yeah, they
Speaker 6: might even know like, well, you bank a branch such
Speaker 6: and such. Just because you're talking to someone that seems
Speaker 6: to have information that only that legitimate entity has does
Speaker 6: not mean they're legit. And as the FBI says, I'm
Speaker 6: reading directly from their know that legitimate companies will never
Speaker 6: call you.
Speaker 2: And offer tex support out of the blue. If you
Speaker 2: get a call like this, hang up right. Never let
Speaker 2: someone have remote access to your computer. Never get out
Speaker 2: your credentials, especially if it's financially rate. If you're using
Speaker 2: name of password, it's financially related, because they're going to
Speaker 2: get into your account and lock you out and steal
Speaker 2: your money. And getting back now to this Apple angle,
Speaker 2: So Forbes recently reported on this now and this is
Speaker 2: not an Apple specific problem, but there are sophisticated attacks.
Speaker 2: They've been done to Google users. They're now targeting Apple users.
Speaker 2: Where you get a phone call, or you might get
Speaker 2: a text message with like an MFA code, and then
Speaker 2: Apple is suddenly calling you on the phone.
Speaker 6: Right, it'll probably show up with a number that looks
Speaker 6: like it's from Apple. This is the tax support scam idea.
Speaker 6: You know, once they get into your Apple account, Could
Speaker 6: they get into your bank account?
Speaker 3: Could they do?
Speaker 6: Who knows what? Hard to say. A lot of people
Speaker 6: have the same bad shared passwords. Don't have the MFA
Speaker 6: turned on. If you get a call, Apple has very
Speaker 6: clearly said they will not call you like this, right.
Speaker 6: Google has said will not call you like this. Microsoft
Speaker 6: has said they will not call you like this. If
Speaker 6: you get a call like this, chance it's a scam,
Speaker 6: it's probably enough, yes, and then you go. If you're
Speaker 6: worried about it, you go, log into your Apple account,
Speaker 6: log into your Google account, log into your Microsoft account,
Speaker 6: log into your bank account. Do not click the links,
Speaker 6: do not call the numbers, do not take the bait.
Speaker 4: Now, it's it's just as simple as that.
Speaker 1: It's bogus because they've already told you they're not going
Speaker 1: to call you regardless.
Speaker 4: So I mean, you just you're right.
Speaker 1: You just got to be vigilant and be aware that
Speaker 1: this stuff is going on, and that's why we're here
Speaker 1: talking about it. Child safety advocates warned parents to avoid
Speaker 1: avoid AI toys this Christmas. We kind of talked about
Speaker 1: the Teddy Bear describing sexual fetishes and the like.
Speaker 4: This is an extension of that, is it not.
Speaker 6: It is Gary, Jeff. I mean it's the idea that
Speaker 6: I mean. First off, as we've discussed before, Internet are
Speaker 6: things devices aka smart devices, which includes toys children's toys,
Speaker 6: have been a concern for some time. I mean the
Speaker 6: literality is probably going back more than ten years that
Speaker 6: you don't have to look too hard to find all
Speaker 6: kinds of privacy and security flaws in these children's toys
Speaker 6: that connect to the Internet, whether it's you know, known vulnerabilities,
Speaker 6: whether it's recording that you don't understand. Because keep in mind,
Speaker 6: many of these toys have cameras and microphones in them,
Speaker 6: because that's how you interact with them, right. You know,
Speaker 6: we've seen stories over the years of web cameras getting
Speaker 6: packed and weird people talking to people's kids for these things.
Speaker 6: If you have a toy that can connect to the internet,
Speaker 6: you know, ask yourself, did the toy manufacturer focus on
Speaker 6: the privacy and security of this device and of my
Speaker 6: children playing with it? Or do they focus on things
Speaker 6: like market share, speed to market, and ease of use?
Speaker 6: And you know, that's that's my issue with the so
Speaker 6: called smart devices across the board is as a consumer,
Speaker 6: they are not focused on their privacy and security. They
Speaker 6: are not focused on protecting you. They're focused on selling
Speaker 6: as much of these things, many of these as they can,
Speaker 6: to as many people as possible, making it as easy
Speaker 6: to use as possible so people will use them, and
Speaker 6: then collecting as much data as possible to you know,
Speaker 6: further monetize your data. So when you give your kid
Speaker 6: a toy like this, again, forget the AI piece for
Speaker 6: a minute, just right off the bat, you know, do
Speaker 6: you did you change the default password? Do you know
Speaker 6: how to set it up for software updates so that
Speaker 6: eventually there's not a vulnerability in the kid's toy that
Speaker 6: allows hackers to get into your home or office network
Speaker 6: and do much more nefarious things. Then you throw in
Speaker 6: the AI angle. I mean, you and I have talked
Speaker 6: about this before. It's well documented if you go look,
Speaker 6: you know, there's all kinds of issues with AI making
Speaker 6: people lose their minds, AI telling people to do crazy things.
Speaker 6: In this specific Teddy Bear story where a researcher was
Speaker 6: purposely trying to see what it would do, and you know,
Speaker 6: was asking questions about like hey, where can I get NDS?
Speaker 6: And the AI in this thing told the kids like, oh,
Speaker 6: they're usually in the kitchen and such so as a
Speaker 6: cautionary tale. Now, you know, my kids are not of
Speaker 6: an age where this would matter anymore, and I don't
Speaker 6: have any grandkids yet. But I'm sure you know what
Speaker 6: I'm going to say next, which is, there's absolutely no chance,
Speaker 6: no chance I would give my young children or my
Speaker 6: grandchildren any kind of AI internet connected toy. Do you
Speaker 6: understand what it's recording when it's recording? Do you want
Speaker 6: your kids' conversations to be sucked up, analyzed, sold to
Speaker 6: someone else, or conversations you might be heaving with your
Speaker 6: kids that you don't understand are being recorded. Do you
Speaker 6: really want your kid exposed to some AI bot that's
Speaker 6: telling them who knows what without any real oversight over it?
Speaker 6: Like you could at least have on a computer or
Speaker 6: a tamphlet or something. In my mind, and there is
Speaker 6: just no way you could justify getting a young child some.
Speaker 3: Sort of toile like this, no doubt.
Speaker 6: Stay away from these things, or at least at least
Speaker 6: do your research and vet them.
Speaker 1: Carefully, care more more carefully than probably some of the
Speaker 1: Afghanis were vetted when they came into the country. Dave
Speaker 1: Hatter is with us for another quick segment. We'll come
Speaker 1: back and talk about SMB's what they are and how
Speaker 1: they can protect you this holiday shopping season.
Speaker 4: And we just had cyber Monday yesterday.
Speaker 1: Dave Hatter on the Nightcap back in just a moment
Speaker 1: our it Guy Tech Talk Doomsday. Dave with the aluminum
Speaker 1: foil hat securely placed on his head so the aliens
Speaker 1: cannot read his thoughts. Dave, what are SMBs and this
Speaker 1: is some kind of layered security, but I don't know
Speaker 1: much about it. And how can SMBs so called protect
Speaker 1: you this holidays season from cyber threats?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so they're what they're talking about here. This is
Speaker 6: an article from a chief security officer online, and they're
Speaker 6: they're warning small businesses, small medium businesses, that's what they
Speaker 6: mean by S and D in this case, are always
Speaker 6: under attack because they typically don't have the deep pockets,
Speaker 6: they don't have the resources, they don't have the experienced
Speaker 6: team that larger companies have to depend against this and
Speaker 6: also normally during any kind of holiday extended off time,
Speaker 6: you're going to see increased attacks on businesses. You know,
Speaker 6: what bad guys like to do is assuming they can
Speaker 6: get a foothold in your environment, whether that's somehow they
Speaker 6: find a vulnerability in your firewall or some smart IoT
Speaker 6: device that's not set upright, or they just are able
Speaker 6: to compromise someone's identity right, they're able to guess the
Speaker 6: username and password or get a user name of password
Speaker 6: up the dark web, they get in and in many cases,
Speaker 6: if they're going to drop ransomware, which is you knowftware
Speaker 6: that encrypts your data to shuts your systems down and
Speaker 6: then you have to pay to unlock it, and they
Speaker 6: usually steal the data too. So when you say, oh, hey,
Speaker 6: I listened to Old Dean's Day Dave Hatter, I got
Speaker 6: a good backup. I don't need to pay your ransom
Speaker 6: because I can just wipe my systems in the store
Speaker 6: and go on about my business. Then they'll threaten to
Speaker 6: release your data online unless.
Speaker 3: You pay right.
Speaker 6: It gives them extra leverage to extort you even if
Speaker 6: you're not down because of the ransomware. So what they
Speaker 6: like to do is wait till a holiday weekend.
Speaker 2: You know, if you.
Speaker 6: Have a three day weekend coming up, if they can
Speaker 6: launch their attack let's say on a Friday night, knowing
Speaker 6: no one's going to be back in the office until Monday.
Speaker 6: They can inflict maximum damage. Right there's no one paying attention.
Speaker 6: They can hit the maximum amount of systems. They can
Speaker 6: inflict maximum damage, thus increasing the likelihood you're going to pay.
Speaker 6: So this article is basically saying, hey, it's a small business,
Speaker 6: you need to understand these things. They got an interesting
Speaker 6: static here small and medium sized businesses. Twenty nine percent
Speaker 6: of businesses with fewer than twenty five employees and nearly
Speaker 6: one in five mid size businesses have or have experienced
Speaker 6: a ransomware attack in twenty five nineteen percent of them. Sorry,
Speaker 6: that didn't come out very clear, And again, ransomware can
Speaker 6: be an existential threat. If you don't have good backups
Speaker 6: and you don't pay the ransom where they decide not
Speaker 6: to give you the decryption key, well, your systems are
Speaker 6: just wrecked. And you know, can you survive that hard
Speaker 6: to say. But the point they're going to make also
Speaker 6: is Windows ten with end of life, which means no
Speaker 6: more security updates for Microsoft, and they're saying you need
Speaker 6: to take a multi tiered approach. You want technological tools
Speaker 6: in place, things like anti virus, email spam filtering, DNS filtering,
Speaker 6: to try to block the bad guys. You want training
Speaker 6: in place so that your team is aware of the
Speaker 6: kind of threats they're going to face, like phishing and
Speaker 6: social engineering and sense worth. And then you need systems
Speaker 6: in place so that if and when an event does
Speaker 6: occur you do have a successful cyber attack, you can
Speaker 6: contain it and re cover quickly from it. Where the
Speaker 6: minimum downtime the minimum costs to you. I mean, this
Speaker 6: is the stuff we're to preach in every day as
Speaker 6: a business Cary Jess. You know, there's nothing you can
Speaker 6: do to make yourself your business completely impervious to this stuff,
Speaker 6: but there are things you can do focused on risk
Speaker 6: to make your business a much and frankly yourself a
Speaker 6: much more difficult target. You know, as.
Speaker 1: Especially with a small business. H It's it's hard to
Speaker 1: The reason you have these systems in the first place,
Speaker 1: is it it makes it easier for you to run
Speaker 1: with the skeleton crew of people, a small amount of people.
Speaker 1: But if it would be practical and you can fairly
Speaker 1: easily do it, isn't it good to have a hard
Speaker 1: copy backup of all the important stuff that you've got.
Speaker 6: Uh, certainly, you know one of the things that's interesting.
Speaker 6: You know, I recommend every business have an incident response plan,
Speaker 6: an ideally cybersecurity insurance. Ay, just going through the insurance
Speaker 6: process will help you understand what insurance companies see his
Speaker 6: threats and things you need to depend against, and then
Speaker 6: an incident response planned. Okay, if and when I have
Speaker 6: an incident, it doesn't have to be a cyber attack.
Speaker 6: It could be my server crashed, we had a tornado. Whatever,
Speaker 6: my systems are down right, what do I need to
Speaker 6: do to recover? Who do I need to call so
Speaker 6: that when that crisis hits you're not scrambled around? And
Speaker 6: the reason I bring that up is because people will
Speaker 6: often create these things, keep them in a digital format only,
Speaker 6: and then they lose it when the system crashes. So yes,
Speaker 6: having a hard copy, a secure hard copy in a
Speaker 6: safe or something of critical data is always a good
Speaker 6: backup approach to make sure that if and when your
Speaker 6: systems crash, you know you're good to go. Now. I
Speaker 6: will also throw out one key idea and the world
Speaker 6: of backups, you'll hear about the backup rule of three
Speaker 6: to two one. This works well for individuals too. But
Speaker 6: the idea of the backup rule of three two. One
Speaker 6: is you have for any critical data, anything you can't
Speaker 6: afford to lose, you have three copies of it. The
Speaker 6: production copy you're working off of, the other copy stored
Speaker 6: on a different medium could be an external disc, could
Speaker 6: be a network attached storage or whatever. And then a
Speaker 6: third copy that's off site, ideally in some sort of
Speaker 6: cloud based backup that's happening automatically, so that even if
Speaker 6: the two copies on site are destroyed somehow, you can
Speaker 6: still fall back to a third copy that it's safe
Speaker 6: somewhere else. Yeah, you know these are all and that
Speaker 6: speaks to the resiliency idea that, Okay, when an event occurs,
Speaker 6: doesn't have to be a cyber attack again, could be
Speaker 6: a natural disaster. You've got something you can fall back on,
Speaker 6: an ideal. You're testing it to make sure that it's
Speaker 6: available and workable when you need it.
Speaker 1: Great information. Dave Hatter as always my friend. Thank you
Speaker 1: again and sleep tight. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 6: Always my pleasure.
Speaker 2: Thanks Gary, Jeff, you got it.
Speaker 4: Dave Hatter with us on the nightcap.
Speaker 1: We'll be back to wrap up with the fur ball
Speaker 1: in minutes afternoons. Ah do I long for these conversations.
Speaker 1: I'm like a junkie. I'm like scratching it in my arms,
Speaker 1: and I'm freezing cold all a sudden and then sweating
Speaker 1: the next because I got to get my fix of
Speaker 1: the fur ball. I'm like a junkie on the streets.
Speaker 1: It's and and now I get my dose. I get
Speaker 1: to to as the as the junkies say, I get
Speaker 1: to get well for a few minutes. So here is
Speaker 1: my fix of Furman on a nightcap on seven hundred
Speaker 1: w L W Oh did you bring this stuff?
Speaker 4: Andy?
Speaker 3: The stuff? Yeah? I always bring this stuff. You know
Speaker 3: that I'm ready for you.
Speaker 1: Okay, good boy boy, I'll tell you what. The DT's
Speaker 1: are terrible when I when I don't get enough Andy Furman.
Speaker 4: And now I know.
Speaker 3: There's something wrong with you. I guess you can think
Speaker 3: get a life, But you know, there's there's so much
Speaker 3: out there, and really and truly, I think we've got
Speaker 3: to lead off for college football because that's the story
Speaker 3: of the day right now. And one of the stories
Speaker 3: obviously was Lank kissing. And it's really a funny story
Speaker 3: because you know, I'm on the weekend. I'm on Sunday
Speaker 3: morning on Fox Sports Radio, and I saw the show up,
Speaker 3: say hey, Lane, where you're going because you said Saturday
Speaker 3: you're going to make a decision be at Florida or LSU,
Speaker 3: and ended up going to LSU. And you know, after
Speaker 3: a while that kind of got old.
Speaker 2: And here's the deal.
Speaker 3: I mean, the grain standing was disgusting. I really believe
Speaker 3: that you're hurting the school. You're you're hurting the kids
Speaker 3: that you recruited for that school. And I'm so happy
Speaker 3: they a thought the arrector and to a president that
Speaker 3: started to put the lock and bolt on his office
Speaker 3: door and say, you know what, you want to go
Speaker 3: to LSU. God bless you get the hell out. Here's
Speaker 3: a guy who has always been one step out the
Speaker 3: door wherever he's been. He was fired on the carmack
Speaker 3: at the tarmac, I mean on the at the airport
Speaker 3: when he was coaching USC. He coaches a Tennessee for
Speaker 3: what they were seven and six.
Speaker 4: He got fired there.
Speaker 1: They threw him out of Knoxville, that's for sure, real quick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so the guy's been all over I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's like a like a fifty nine and eleven record
Speaker 3: at open as he's done, Well, why not stay there,
Speaker 3: you know, build a legacy over there. I get it
Speaker 3: for his contrast to be close, like seventy five seventy
Speaker 3: eight million dollars in LSU, A lot of pressure on
Speaker 3: him over there. But you know, here's the thing. There's
Speaker 3: something wrong with this system. When a coach who takes
Speaker 3: the team to the college playoffs, the SEC you know,
Speaker 3: playoffs whatever it may be. Yeah, and then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden he's going to both and leave. And you know,
Speaker 3: at least he talked about it. I mean, Brian Kelly
Speaker 3: was worse. He just left. He didn't say a word.
Speaker 3: He just didn't show up at the banquet for the
Speaker 3: University of Cincinnati. So they got to do something right
Speaker 3: now with this. And you know, I applaud Old miss
Speaker 3: for not letting them coach in the playoff game, silly
Speaker 3: because his coaching would just more or less talk to
Speaker 3: these kids to tell him to go with it. Tell us,
Speaker 3: you well, recruiting them while he's coaching them.
Speaker 4: Andy, You're not the first person.
Speaker 1: In fact, almost everyone including the people inside the bubble
Speaker 1: of the coaches and administrators, are saying that college football
Speaker 1: is broken.
Speaker 4: Now, how would you fix it?
Speaker 3: Well? Number one, you know the portal for the college
Speaker 3: kid for transferring and college football is going to be
Speaker 3: open during the college football playoffs, which is so ridiculous
Speaker 3: because here's the deal. If I'm a kid at school X,
Speaker 3: and I get a great offer monetarily to go to
Speaker 3: a college, and say, wait a second, you know, why
Speaker 3: would I go to a playoff game and endanger my
Speaker 3: monetary economics for an injury? Last factor, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to play. I'm going to both. I'm going to go
Speaker 3: into the portal, I'm gonna go to the school. So
Speaker 3: there's something wrong, I mean, and I don't understand how
Speaker 3: these guys could get in a room and discuss this
Speaker 3: and not look at the downside of what they're doing.
Speaker 3: The portal should be done after the entire football season,
Speaker 3: playoffs at all are finished. During the playoffs, it doesn't
Speaker 3: make any sense.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct on that. I don't think that you
Speaker 1: should have this revolving door while a national championship is
Speaker 1: at stake.
Speaker 3: And you know, honestly, as far as exposures concern the publicity,
Speaker 3: I think the top players who in fact would put
Speaker 3: their names in the portal, they'll get more play, more
Speaker 3: publicity than maybe the games themselves.
Speaker 2: You don't want to do that.
Speaker 3: I mean, like omentually Baseball, they're small enough to say, hey,
Speaker 3: look we're looking at the hold all trades of big
Speaker 3: announcements during the World Series. I get it. The World
Speaker 3: Series is the showcase. They're in the center stage and
Speaker 3: everything else is an ancillary. Let that go roll up
Speaker 3: to someplace else. A lot of people it takes sense,
Speaker 3: it really doesn't.
Speaker 1: A lot of people said about the old system we got.
Speaker 1: There's twelve team playoff. They just announced the teams earlier tonight.
Speaker 1: They said that, you know, it's better for the teams
Speaker 1: to on the field decide the national championship. And I
Speaker 1: can't disagree with that instead of a computer placing four
Speaker 1: teams in there and having a couple of Bowl games
Speaker 1: to determine it. But it's twelve teams too many, Andy,
Speaker 1: you think.
Speaker 3: You think it is, But it's not too many for
Speaker 3: the pocketbooks. That's the thing. Well, you know when they
Speaker 3: have a question that Chris collins Worth the Wayswoman is
Speaker 3: if you have a question, you know the answer is
Speaker 3: follow the dots. Is always about the guelt, the green cabbage,
Speaker 3: and that's what it is. It's all about the money.
Speaker 3: And that's what this is. And I remember way back
Speaker 3: when when they never even had a championship game played
Speaker 3: for college football. It was the Associated Press and the
Speaker 3: United President the Nationals. They chose the college champion, AP champion,
Speaker 3: and the UPI champion. So at least they're playing, okay.
Speaker 3: And I remember your last year and the year prior
Speaker 3: to that, they had four teams, and it was so
Speaker 3: excited because look, the team had to get one loss
Speaker 3: and basically you're on the hook. One loss, you may
Speaker 3: not get in. And that team that was fifth, pressing
Speaker 3: its nose against the glass. There was always a great story,
Speaker 3: a controversial story. Should they have gotten it? Should they
Speaker 3: have made it? Now with twelve, you're gonna get teams
Speaker 3: with two losses for sure, and maybe several with three.
Speaker 3: You know, and again, you know, what's the point in
Speaker 3: playing throughout the entire season is you're going to play
Speaker 3: again and meet the same teams again.
Speaker 1: I just but this also allows even with twelve teams, Andy,
Speaker 1: it also allows for teams to be pressing their against
Speaker 1: the glass. Now with only two losses. My Vanderbilt Commodores,
Speaker 1: darn Well should have be considered for and I'm sure
Speaker 1: they were at a certain point. But you know teams
Speaker 1: like that who had incredible seasons. You know, Vandy has
Speaker 1: never won ten games in any college football season ever
Speaker 1: in their entire school history.
Speaker 4: They won nine. The last time they won.
Speaker 1: Nine games was nineteen fifteen, and they had this remarkable
Speaker 1: ten and two season. They their last game they beat
Speaker 1: their rival ut on Tennessee's field. Tennessee was ranked nineteenth,
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt fourteenth. But even at ten and two in the SEC,
Speaker 1: they you know, are on the outside looking in more
Speaker 1: than likely, and and everybody else, like you said, you
Speaker 1: got you got two loss teams. Notre Dame gets the
Speaker 1: benefit of being Notre Dame.
Speaker 3: That's the key, you know. You know what. Obviously Myami
Speaker 3: of Florida beat not to Dam early on, and they've
Speaker 3: been ranked a head of notes. There's been rent a
Speaker 3: head of them all season long. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: there's always going to be an argument right there. And
Speaker 3: I think this Miami team is one of those teams
Speaker 3: you don't know what you're going to get on any
Speaker 3: given Saturday. There they're one heck of a team and
Speaker 3: an explosive team, but maybe the competition they played against,
Speaker 3: they only played as good as a competition in their conference,
Speaker 3: which was not that great of a conference. And the
Speaker 3: downside of Vanderbilt is the conference they playing. It's so strong,
Speaker 3: the Big Ten obviously, and the SEC one two or
Speaker 3: two one, if you will, as far as college football
Speaker 3: powers are concerned. That's just the way it is.
Speaker 4: Well, it's pretty and maybe there's.
Speaker 3: Too many teams in the conferences. It's pretty.
Speaker 1: It's pretty telling that the Big Ten championship coming up
Speaker 1: this weekend is one versus two in the nation, Ohio
Speaker 1: State versus Indiana. That could that has the potential, that
Speaker 1: is all the earmarks of being a national championship game
Speaker 1: right there, without the playoffs exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: And that's a shame, isn't it. It really is, because
Speaker 3: that game maybe better than the national championship game. Seriously, well,
Speaker 3: I may have more interest.
Speaker 4: It's not a shame for Hoosier fans. I'll tell you
Speaker 4: that right now.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're right about that. I mean, and again,
Speaker 3: I mean the bottom line is this. If it's about
Speaker 3: the money, let's go one step further. I mean you
Speaker 3: could turn on any talk radio show in the country,
Speaker 3: sports talk, national locos may be I promise you I
Speaker 3: promise you they cannot get away without talking about gambling,
Speaker 3: and get I get the reason why. It's it's part
Speaker 3: of the game. To me, it's killing the game. And
Speaker 3: as long as they're sponsoring these shows, they're going to
Speaker 3: talk about them. I hear it all the time. I
Speaker 3: hear it all you. Look, I'm very fortunate because I
Speaker 3: work at Fox Sports Radio, and yeah, they do talk
Speaker 3: gambling on the shows, and they have the shows on Sunday.
Speaker 3: You know whose favorite? How many points? Because I work
Speaker 3: with a guy by the name of Bucky Brooks who
Speaker 3: played in the NFL and he works for the Jackson Jaguars.
Speaker 3: He's not permitted to talk about gambling because he works
Speaker 3: for the NFL, which I love because I don't want
Speaker 3: to talk about gambling. There are too many great stories
Speaker 3: out there. You want to talk about gamb Look, I'm
Speaker 3: not opposed to it. I worked at racetracks most of
Speaker 3: my life, But go ahead and gamble. I don't think
Speaker 3: people want to tune on a radio show to hear
Speaker 3: odds and lines about games about hosts that have no
Speaker 3: idea how they could predict the game. Because look what's
Speaker 3: happening in the NFL this year. You can't even predict
Speaker 3: the game the other day that Carolina was going to
Speaker 3: beat the Rams. Are you kidding? You just can't predict it.
Speaker 3: So I talk about it. You know, there are better
Speaker 3: stories out there and game stories rather than just talk
Speaker 3: about points and gambling. And I won't do it, and
Speaker 3: I don't do it.
Speaker 1: You could have predicted that the Giants were going to
Speaker 1: get crushed last night by New England. Well that was
Speaker 1: a runaway train from the start of the game.
Speaker 3: And well what about the Giants kicker? Oh the end
Speaker 3: of the game? Oh did you see that?
Speaker 4: No, I didn't see the end of it because I
Speaker 4: turned it off already. It was over. It was thirty
Speaker 4: to fifteen.
Speaker 3: I saw it on social media, and look, I didn't
Speaker 3: watch the end of the game because it was kind
Speaker 3: of gone. Really, but you know, really and truly he
Speaker 3: missed it. Looked like he just stopped before he was
Speaker 3: going to kick the foot.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that was early. That was earlier in the game.
Speaker 1: That wasn't at the end of the game.
Speaker 3: On social media after the game. But yeah, and the question,
Speaker 3: the question arises has to arise, like was he doing
Speaker 3: that because of the odds on the game? I mean,
Speaker 3: with the points. There's a cloud over every game right now,
Speaker 3: especially basketball. Would happen in the NBA and now maybe
Speaker 3: even football. If the guy drops the pass in the
Speaker 3: end zone and the game is not covered by the
Speaker 3: x amount of points, the question is going to be risen.
Speaker 3: I mean, did he do it on purpose? Off?
Speaker 1: And And it's all because of the prop bet angle.
Speaker 1: And when you can bet on an individual player, maybe
Speaker 1: not even a maybe not even a starter, who is
Speaker 1: going to do something or do this or do that
Speaker 1: during the game instead of just what what's the outcome
Speaker 1: of the game, what's the point spread?
Speaker 4: When they get down.
Speaker 1: To the the micro cosm of a game and they
Speaker 1: get to individual players and you know, field goal attempts
Speaker 1: and people are betting on that, that is what opens
Speaker 1: the door for all kinds of fraud and the lack
Speaker 1: of integrity because of gambling.
Speaker 4: That's it right there.
Speaker 3: I'll go on stuff further. You say it opens the door,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you this. The door's open. The door
Speaker 3: is oh right, I mean the door. I mean what's
Speaker 3: happened in the NBA would happened in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 3: I just I think there's a cloud over professional sports.
Speaker 4: Right now.
Speaker 3: And I think that anytime something like that happens, a mispitch,
Speaker 3: a drop ball, whatever it may be, the question is
Speaker 3: going to be risen like, oh, did he do it
Speaker 3: on perfect? Was he brought up? Or gamble is involved?
Speaker 3: Was Vegas involved?
Speaker 4: Guys?
Speaker 3: It's terrible, it really is.
Speaker 1: You got to get rid of the prop bets. That's
Speaker 1: the only way to because you're never going to betting.
Speaker 3: Governor the one in Ohio has done that, yeah, which
Speaker 3: is great, but you know one state. You know what
Speaker 3: is that going to do? You bet in Vegas? That's
Speaker 3: not gonna not gonna change things. The pro bit Vegas.
Speaker 4: People people are you to doing prop bets now?
Speaker 1: So even if you made them technically illegal, there's still
Speaker 1: going to be illegal betting going on on prop bet
Speaker 1: prop bets and players. I mean, because you, like you said,
Speaker 1: the door is open, Pandora's box has had the lid
Speaker 1: lifted off, and this is what we've got.
Speaker 3: But okay, here's my question to you. I'm really I'm
Speaker 3: so out of it with betting. I have no idea.
Speaker 3: Now I know what a prop bet is. But some
Speaker 3: of the wines says he wants to eliminate prop bets
Speaker 3: in Ohio. I have a phone, and I want to
Speaker 3: go to one of these betting sites. I guess I
Speaker 3: could still better prop bet correct. Sure you sure you could?
Speaker 3: Around you know, he's eliminating prop bets and casinos. I
Speaker 3: would think that's where they're eliminated.
Speaker 4: At the sports books.
Speaker 3: But in other words, I have a phone, and if
Speaker 3: I want to go to bet USA or at MGM,
Speaker 3: whatever it may be, on my phone, I could make
Speaker 3: a prop bet correct.
Speaker 1: You certainly could. All right, I'm sure I'm sure that
Speaker 1: the prop bet police aren't banging down your door five
Speaker 1: minutes after you get off the phone.
Speaker 3: Handy, right there you go. It's just, you know, and
Speaker 3: I do. I say this not because I'm opposed to gambling.
Speaker 3: I love the purity of sport and it's really been
Speaker 3: taken away right now. It really has been. It has.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's bad.
Speaker 4: I just all do.
Speaker 1: All of our innocence has been lost, Andy, all of
Speaker 1: our innocence. There's no more innocence.
Speaker 3: In other words, if someone went to bet that Joe
Speaker 3: Burrow is going to pass to three hundred yards this
Speaker 3: week in their football game against Buffalo, and he's got
Speaker 3: to eighty to eighty going to the fourth quarter and
Speaker 3: the Bengals hand the ball off the entire fourth quarter
Speaker 3: to run out the clock. Don't you think someone's going
Speaker 3: to say, wait a minute, someone had to bet that
Speaker 3: throw the three hundred yards. He didn't do it, because
Speaker 3: that's why they handed the ball off and ran the
Speaker 3: football and didn't pass. Those are the things that are
Speaker 3: gonna happen stuff like that.
Speaker 1: One thing, one thing hasn't changed, Andy, was that the
Speaker 1: house always wins and and the bookies always know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen pretty much, And the only time they
Speaker 1: question the legitimacy of betting is when they don't win.
Speaker 1: As long as as long as the bookies are always
Speaker 1: on point with their point spreads and all their other
Speaker 1: bets is long. It's when there are anomalies and the
Speaker 1: house loses, that's when they look into it.
Speaker 4: Otherwise.
Speaker 3: But here's my question. Everything for years betty was legal
Speaker 3: in England, and I have all the soccer leagues over there.
Speaker 3: I haven't really read or heard about so much controversy
Speaker 3: there as we have here. I do I do understand
Speaker 3: why why is that?
Speaker 1: Well, the paraphrase Sam wis, you don't live in England
Speaker 1: you live in Cincinnati. Andy, Listen, I gotta go. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for your time tonight. As always, I
Speaker 1: got my fix while I'm going home in a few minutes.
Speaker 4: It's late.
Speaker 3: Enjoy drive carefully. Thank you all right, my friend. I'll
Speaker 3: see you soon.
Speaker 4: Bye.
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