Speaker 1: In alex Egan producing Sandy Collins with news.
Speaker 2: You know, we were here on Friday and it was
Speaker 2: like sixty eight and this weather has been crazy.
Speaker 3: Pneumonia weather.
Speaker 2: It's my grandma call hold out weather, whiplane, Yes, twenty
Speaker 2: seven degrees right now according to my iPhone.
Speaker 1: Is it not supposed to warm up again too sooner
Speaker 1: than later or something? I mean, I wasn't trying to
Speaker 1: pressure you. Look at you looking for the extended forecast.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the ninth first morning weather and you
Speaker 1: may have already heard it. With Sandy close to fifty
Speaker 1: Tuesday forties the start of the week. Today's just a
Speaker 1: little chilli. It's not bad to come. I mean it
Speaker 1: is January.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know this is the weather that
Speaker 2: we expect in the Shri state in January. For sure.
Speaker 1: In wait eight minutes, it'll change and sooner than later
Speaker 1: they'll be playing baseball, great American Ballpark, and life is
Speaker 1: good and man lot going on. Doctor Donnad Schlake going
Speaker 1: to join us after the twelve thirty report, we'll hear
Speaker 1: the world is changing. There's a lot going on in Iran,
Speaker 1: in Syria, in Minneapolis, protest across country about ice stuff.
Speaker 2: Something about Greenland.
Speaker 1: I've heard about that, something about that the easy way
Speaker 1: or the hard way. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1: I've heard that in bad past relationships. So you did
Speaker 1: that way of the hard way.
Speaker 2: You know, when you look at the footage of Minneapolis
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and the ice agents and the
Speaker 2: clashing with protesters and things like that, it doesn't even
Speaker 2: look like this country to me. It looks like I'm
Speaker 2: watching something you know, foreign.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean, you know, it's challenging times, interesting times,
Speaker 1: And we'll talk to doctor donas Schleheck about it. She
Speaker 1: is a Cincinnati kid and she was the head of
Speaker 1: political science at right State now professor Meredith, and she
Speaker 1: spent about ten years in Minneapolis. I think she may
Speaker 1: have gone to school there and she also did some
Speaker 1: other stuff there. So we'll get into her head about that,
Speaker 1: as well as everything else that's going on. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of spinning plates at the moment. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there's definitely not. There's there's plenty to talk about today.
Speaker 1: There's no shortage of topics, no to talk about today.
Speaker 3: And I don't know what you were doing. I know
Speaker 3: you've had a wild weekend, Donna.
Speaker 1: But I last night I was juggling on my own
Speaker 1: stuff and we were texting back and forth.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you call it. I can't even remember.
Speaker 1: And it was one of them you're not getting back
Speaker 1: to me or whatever the usual, and I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm wrangling cats, I'm trying to cook.
Speaker 3: The dog's going crazy.
Speaker 2: But I got a million on my plate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to work it. And I nearly dropped
Speaker 1: the phone in a skillet with sauce. Not good if that,
Speaker 1: because I didn't have it on a speaker, And as
Speaker 1: I was doing that, and then I had football on
Speaker 1: as I was trying to crane my neck around to
Speaker 1: watch the screen, and I'm like, well, clearly this game
Speaker 1: is over. So I turned off the football. No, I
Speaker 1: totally did. I am shocked you did that.
Speaker 2: You're one of those fans I turn off football because
Speaker 2: you think it's over. And then bam, both games. Like
Speaker 2: we were at the hard Rock, a bunch of us,
Speaker 2: and it was first time I've been to the hard
Speaker 2: Rock in Cincinnati. It was actually very very fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The l A Rams What a game that was, I mean,
Speaker 2: and then Bears and Packers.
Speaker 1: Wow, and sent the packers pack and it was kind
Speaker 1: of weird in Chicago. I mean, they're like Glee. I
Speaker 1: guess Glee talk about a comeback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you.
Speaker 1: Heard ken Brew earlier. You're talking to what would the
Speaker 1: Bengals do early? You know, so we'll figure out what
Speaker 1: they do for the coming season. They've got work to do,
Speaker 1: so it gets kind of odd.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The other thing that's going crazy right now, that's gotten
Speaker 1: a bunch of attention, and I'm sort of surprised. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a connection with the guy. I think he's from Mason,
Speaker 1: the dentist and his wife. He and her both murdered
Speaker 1: in Columbus. We were talking about that last night. What
Speaker 1: a crazy story. Yeah, and everybody apparently all over the country.
Speaker 1: Anjeanette Levy was friend of the show. You used to
Speaker 1: work in town as a reporter, anchor stup, but now
Speaker 1: she does long crime. She was anchoring and covering a
Speaker 1: lot of that as well. They arrested the husband. They've
Speaker 1: been divorced for a long time.
Speaker 2: Eight years they were divorced. And how how I mean
Speaker 2: this story is going to continue to unfold, But why
Speaker 2: don't you just explain what.
Speaker 1: Happened since well, well I know that what happened is
Speaker 1: is the allegation is apparently he came to Columbus and allegedly,
Speaker 1: because he's been charged with their murders, he left the
Speaker 1: kids in the in the either a dog or whatever
Speaker 1: other pets unharmed, and then got out of town or
Speaker 1: at least tried to escape and shot them.
Speaker 3: And I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was contentious proceedings with the divorce, and it seemed
Speaker 1: to drag on a long time because these people were married.
Speaker 1: For you, they had kids and everything, right, It's just
Speaker 1: odd and you hear about these stories and you constantly
Speaker 1: talk about relationship stuff. You've got your relationship show, Donna.
Speaker 1: It is bewildering to think that something one would drag
Speaker 1: on that long after you've gone on to the next thing.
Speaker 1: And then whatever is the allegation is that he came
Speaker 1: and killed her his ex and then you know her
Speaker 1: current husband. What a just a nightmare scenario because you
Speaker 1: think you're living your own idealic life and then something
Speaker 1: from the past comes and get you. I would think
Speaker 1: it'd be over by then and somebody would move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so I was always I was talking
Speaker 2: with my friend Dia last night about this case, and
Speaker 2: I said, you know, I have remained friends with my
Speaker 2: all my exes. Really we still text. I mean not
Speaker 2: not on a daily basis by any means, but like
Speaker 2: we keep in touch, and yeah, it's healthy and for
Speaker 2: a relationship to be over for so long, and I
Speaker 2: don't think they had kids, so with an eight year stretch,
Speaker 2: she's remarried. Something there has to be something that happened
Speaker 2: to bring him to Columbus and on her doorstep.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know what I don't understand though,
Speaker 1: is how anybody without knowing the psychology behind whatever he's
Speaker 1: alleged have done. Because we don't need a lawsuit, right,
Speaker 1: but just the thing where people can't let go or
Speaker 1: are so bitter and vindictive either how it ended, or
Speaker 1: giving up half or more than half, or or just
Speaker 1: whatever it is where somebody slips and they decide, well, okay,
Speaker 1: well I'll get you, and then somebody has oftentimes it's
Speaker 1: murder suicide. But he just came took them, allegedly, and
Speaker 1: it took their lives and then left. I just I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been despondent, I've been upset, I've been emotionally devastated.
Speaker 1: I've been financially wrecked and splits and everything else, and
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine at some point where you just
Speaker 1: can't turn the corner and carry on without doing something
Speaker 1: like this. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
Speaker 1: But the whole count has been paying attention to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what an awful story. I mean, such
Speaker 2: a cute young couple, you know, right after Christmas, between
Speaker 2: Christmas and New Year's and I yeah, this guy is
Speaker 2: now charged charged the ex is charged with the murder
Speaker 2: of these two people, and he was arrested on Saturday,
Speaker 2: January tenth. I mean, what can possess somebody to do that? Anyway,
Speaker 2: Just like you said, you've been hurt, you've been upset,
Speaker 2: You've had to deal with your own emotions and your
Speaker 2: own feelings. We all do. There's nobody at the over
Speaker 2: the age of probably fifteen, in this life that hasn't
Speaker 2: had to deal with a breakup. And it's just awful.
Speaker 2: It's just absolutely awful. I don't care what the excuse
Speaker 2: is that he had. You don't do that. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously it's just a devastating thing. But how they came
Speaker 2: back into each other's lives, or how he decided to
Speaker 2: come back into her life like that. It's just beyond me.
Speaker 1: It really is a difficult thing. Also to imagine how
Speaker 1: the surviving members of the family extended that are going
Speaker 1: to have to navigate that and at some point probably
Speaker 1: have to explain to the children, hopefully they weren't able
Speaker 1: to see anything too graphically disturbing, but have to explain
Speaker 1: to them somehow where their parents went in the circumstance
Speaker 1: around that, I mean, when they ask, or how it
Speaker 1: comes up. I mean, it's just a lot of layers
Speaker 1: of sadness that sort of go along with that. And
Speaker 1: every day in the news there's all kinds of different
Speaker 1: tragedy and horrible stuff from you know, the eleven year
Speaker 1: old just a little over a week ago who was
Speaker 1: gunned down in the playground, continuing to you know, investigate
Speaker 1: that Cincinnati homicide and law enforcement and that family trying
Speaker 1: to carry on in some fashion, and then a few
Speaker 1: years earlier, another eleven year old there. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to be the prophet of doom. I'm just saying there's
Speaker 1: a lot of this that's dealt with on a regular basis,
Speaker 1: and here you'd think in a relationship situation you'd be
Speaker 1: beyond it. But I guess the danger is always there.
Speaker 2: It's just I think we're going to find out a
Speaker 2: lot more about this story and it's going to be hard,
Speaker 2: hard to come back from.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. You know the other thing too. Bob Weir, co
Speaker 1: founder Grateful Dead, seventy eight years old, passed away. He
Speaker 1: had apparently beaten camp sir and going back to May,
Speaker 1: had dealt with treatments and everything else, but had some
Speaker 1: type of lingering, long term problem with his lung or
Speaker 1: lungs that ended up apparently ending him. Is a word
Speaker 1: of his passing came out yesterday, I guess is when
Speaker 1: it was, which is is just devastating guitarist singer. I
Speaker 1: mean you've probably seen him, I don't even know how
Speaker 1: many times when when it was the Grateful Dead and
Speaker 1: then with Dead and Company here in town, have.
Speaker 2: You seen I've never seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Dead and Company of course was a John
Speaker 1: Mayer who's been with them and in a group of
Speaker 1: touring artists of one type or another of band members,
Speaker 1: et CETERA. Final show I think was in August. He
Speaker 1: appeared with them in San Francisco, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if they were wrapping up the tour, if it was
Speaker 1: a one off show or whatever else.
Speaker 3: I saw some video of that.
Speaker 1: He sounded, you know, weak, voice wise, but was there
Speaker 1: and seemed like he was getting it done. I don't
Speaker 1: know that anybody there thought that it was going to
Speaker 1: be the last time that he'd be performing, let alone,
Speaker 1: not with us, for very night.
Speaker 3: It's tough.
Speaker 2: Seventy nine seventy eight. I mean, it doesn't even seem
Speaker 2: old to me anymore.
Speaker 1: Seventy eight, well Alex Egan was producing, would probably be
Speaker 1: the difference.
Speaker 3: Seven whatever.
Speaker 1: But I mean, that's a window of time and it
Speaker 1: does come quickly. But the thing is, it's pretty amazing
Speaker 1: to me is that that music will live on forever
Speaker 1: and always, and that's a pretty amazing footprint to leave
Speaker 1: behind for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: There's nobody liked the Grateful Dead. They really they were
Speaker 2: pioneers way back when. And you know, I wished now
Speaker 2: thinking about it, I've seen so many bands that I loved,
Speaker 2: and I would have loved to have been been at
Speaker 2: one Grateful Dead concert.
Speaker 1: My guess is Dead and Company will continue on in
Speaker 1: some fashion. Yeah, I would hope at some point. What
Speaker 1: I can tell you it's more than just dirty, stinky,
Speaker 1: you know, paturely wearing hippie chicks, although I like them
Speaker 1: right right right, looking for a miracle and all what
Speaker 1: I will tell you in short order. And this is
Speaker 1: an odd store. I don't know if she'll call. She
Speaker 1: often listens. Good friend of mine. Years ago, I took
Speaker 1: her to her first dead show and we drove up
Speaker 1: to Cleveland. This has been years ago, in the mid nineties,
Speaker 1: mid late nineties. And then she just sort of disappeared
Speaker 1: for a while. She went on the road in like
Speaker 1: she became a dead end. Yes, she camped and traveled
Speaker 1: all over the country.
Speaker 2: That's what happens when you go to a dead show
Speaker 2: is because you just kept mesmerized and you don't want
Speaker 2: the party to end. That's what happens.
Speaker 1: It's a different energy and a different vibe and a
Speaker 1: great experience for her. And it was odd. It was like,
Speaker 1: what have you been doing? She's like, well, I've been here,
Speaker 1: there and everywhere. And I'm like, holy crap, what happened?
Speaker 2: And she was like, what's your fault?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I did that I didn't ever catch the hey, I'm
Speaker 1: going to go on the road thing. But I was
Speaker 1: always good for the you know, the magic of the
Speaker 1: show and the music and everything and the.
Speaker 2: But that's how it happens to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: It does, and I know a whole lot of people
Speaker 1: have reached out and talking about the too. Later on,
Speaker 1: we'll also get into a little bit of I love
Speaker 1: movies and I know you do too. We talked to
Speaker 1: Kevin Carr Friday when we were in for Sloany and
Speaker 1: aside the stuff that's new, the award shows, I'm always
Speaker 1: sort of bogged because judging what the best in anything
Speaker 1: is when it comes to artists subjective and challenging.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you kind of have your favorite, I mean,
Speaker 2: and there's there's quite a few that are gonna be up.
Speaker 2: The Golden Globes is what we're talking to talking about,
Speaker 2: is on tonight, Yeah, and it's gonna be you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of an audience there is
Speaker 2: for award shows anymore, myself included. I used to love
Speaker 2: the Grammys, the Golden Globes and the Oscars. I've been
Speaker 2: seen those are my top favorite. I'ven't seen the Grammys
Speaker 2: in a while. I do want to watch the Golden
Speaker 2: Globes tonight. There's a ton of football on thom And
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the football games are going to be
Speaker 2: absolutely off the charts. Good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you've got Bill's Jags later forty nine, Hers,
Speaker 1: Eagles and Chargers and Patriots. Somehow Patriots got back into
Speaker 1: the playoffs as well, and we'll tune you up for
Speaker 1: that a little bit later too. The award show stuff
Speaker 1: is always interesting one aside from the it's hard to
Speaker 1: you know, your favorites are my favorites compared to the best.
Speaker 1: I always like at least the nomination list, so I
Speaker 1: know that it must be extraordinary work that people have
Speaker 1: put out that I need to investigate and check out
Speaker 1: if I've missed it already. In that fashion, the Golden Globes, though,
Speaker 1: at least it's not so buttoned down, you know, it's
Speaker 1: more relaxed. They're drunk, probably high, and they're goofing off.
Speaker 2: Dicky Glazier is hosting, and she's quite funny. She was
Speaker 2: probably the funniest one at the Tom Brady Roast. She
Speaker 2: was there. But she's she's gonna probably do a good
Speaker 2: jobs there's a ton to laugh at, at least in
Speaker 2: this country right now, you know, pick fun at, gotta laugh. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I do think the two big contenders tonight
Speaker 2: obviously are going to be Leonardo DiCaprio and Timothy Shallo May, right,
Speaker 2: and those those are the two who's going to win
Speaker 2: Best Actor.
Speaker 3: I always get confused with you.
Speaker 1: I mentioned this Friday, Shallo May and the guy from
Speaker 1: the Bear TV show.
Speaker 2: I know you said that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's some random dudes. I don't know. They don't seem
Speaker 1: they both do good work. But I honestly, like side
Speaker 1: by side, I would not have any idea which one
Speaker 1: was which. Which is sad but true.
Speaker 2: What's going on with your voice over there? In mind too?
Speaker 2: Like what it's the weather. Let's blame it on the
Speaker 2: weather because it's been so crazy.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's true. I'm staying keeping a distance. I'm clean,
Speaker 1: I've been sanitized, martinized. Everything is good. I have no fever,
Speaker 1: no worries. Everything is great. Although there is a lot
Speaker 1: of flu out there. Yeah, you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: people kind of it.
Speaker 2: By the way, Oh gosh, I have friends that have it.
Speaker 2: By the way, the eighty third annual eighty third Annual
Speaker 2: Golden Globes are on tonight eight o'clock CBS.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, all right, So straight away your
Speaker 1: twelve thirty reports. Sandy Collins has an update on what's
Speaker 1: going on around planet Earth. It's busy, including stuff here
Speaker 1: in the Tri State. Doctor Donna Schleck will join us.
Speaker 1: She's the former head of political science at right State
Speaker 1: now professor Mereda. We'll get the latest on what's going
Speaker 1: on with protest against ice and engagements with population here Stateside,
Speaker 1: all over the country, Minneapolis as well. And then of course,
Speaker 1: you know, as you mentioned, shopping for Greenland. We've got
Speaker 1: Venezuela on the table. We're getting there a while apparently.
Speaker 1: And what else the Syria. We did some bombing in
Speaker 1: Syria yesterday and overnight, right, so that's happening. She may
Speaker 1: have some stuff on that. And did I mention Iran
Speaker 1: where the protests just keep growing and in the midst
Speaker 1: of the shaking of the tree and the president saying
Speaker 1: we've got your back, perhaps there is another spring of
Speaker 1: sorts in the Middle East and maybe people will get
Speaker 1: a little taste of freedom in Iran again. So we'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll pick her about all that and more coming up
Speaker 1: straight away your twelve thirty report. She's donnade I'm Sterling
Speaker 1: in this as seven hundred WLW an international World Affairs
Speaker 1: and Politics.
Speaker 3: How are you at?
Speaker 1: Sterling and donnade back seven hundred WLW for your Sunday Afternoon.
Speaker 1: Former had a political science at Wright State, now professor
Speaker 1: of Merida. It's spent about ten years in Minneapolis. Believing
Speaker 1: she may have gone to school there. I may have
Speaker 1: done some work there. I know she vacationed there recently
Speaker 1: because we talked to her and there were mosquitos the
Speaker 1: size of small cars.
Speaker 3: In the woods. Doctor Dona Schlecheck.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to seven hundred WLW with Sterling and Donnadee.
Speaker 5: How's everything, Hi, Sterling, Hello Donna, Spinning plates and circuses. Yes,
Speaker 5: I think we've all bought a ticket. We have.
Speaker 1: I know I didn't ask you specifically about Iran and
Speaker 1: Syria since we pinged a text scheduling you today. But
Speaker 1: before we get to Minnesota, before we get to the
Speaker 1: ice protest across the country and everything else, what I
Speaker 1: would like to know is Iran this is good for
Speaker 1: the world, perhaps in our involvement in the president saying
Speaker 1: that he would support the protesters in this situation as
Speaker 1: things continue to escalate in that situation. And we can
Speaker 1: also mention Syria too, We did some bombing there in
Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours. Anywhere you want to go,
Speaker 1: it's your choice.
Speaker 5: It is time to return our attention to the Middle East,
Speaker 5: and on the good news on hamas Is even saying
Speaker 5: that when the next phase starts, they're dismantling their governance apparatus,
Speaker 5: so good news. The strikes in Syria were clearly defined
Speaker 5: to be punitive against ISIS multiple targets across Syria. The
Speaker 5: subtle signals seemed to be that there may have been
Speaker 5: consultation with Syria because the new government there is trying
Speaker 5: to get control of the country and ISIS is their
Speaker 5: biggest enemy. So this is actually the sideways version of
Speaker 5: trying to help the new government of Syria after offsad regimes,
Speaker 5: brutal treatment, to get their country back together again. And
Speaker 5: it's obviously the Israelis will be involved as well. There's
Speaker 5: talk about settling some of their border disputes. It's a
Speaker 5: mixed picture. But the two Americans killed there a couple
Speaker 5: of weeks ago were Hawkeye National Guardsmen, and so we
Speaker 5: named the strike the retaliatory strike against them. The bigger
Speaker 5: picture that you mentioned, though, what's happening in Iran? Have people? Finally,
Speaker 5: it's interesting like Venezuela, oil, wealthy country, big population, and
Speaker 5: yet horrendous economic circumstances, inflation, terrible cost of living, sanctions,
Speaker 5: more sanctions, more sanctions, and yet with the means there
Speaker 5: to do well by their people. What happens when a
Speaker 5: third of your people have to leave the country because
Speaker 5: of the utter, incredibly bad mismanagement of the economy. That's
Speaker 5: what in Venezuela, That is the migration component. Link to
Speaker 5: our grievances with Venezuela. But you know, we also have
Speaker 5: a very large Iranian expact community in California in particular,
Speaker 5: which is where the grandson of the Shaw lives and
Speaker 5: is now offering to come back and help a transition
Speaker 5: to democracy in Iran. These are some of the strangest
Speaker 5: plates I've seen spinning in a long long time. That
Speaker 5: was the Shaw of Iran that we allowed to come
Speaker 5: here when he fled his country under Jimmy Carter to
Speaker 5: receive health treatment. But that's what triggered the hostage crisis
Speaker 5: in nineteen seventy nine. So these things are so interconnected.
Speaker 5: How do we help the people of Iran? I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think certainly we have a better picture in terms
Speaker 5: of Venezuela. Try to put the wealth of the country
Speaker 5: back to serving the people of Venezuela.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I have a question. What do you do if you're
Speaker 5: in oilzec and President Trump would like you to invest
Speaker 5: tens of billions that's with a B as in billions
Speaker 5: of dollars to rebuild your oil infrastructure in a country
Speaker 5: as unstable and uncertain as Venezuela. That has to be
Speaker 5: President Trump has recently been consulting with the execs of Conocomobile, Exon,
Speaker 5: Exon Mobil, excuse me, Conco, Phillips, and Chevron. He wants
Speaker 5: them to take the lead in rebuilding the infrastructure. How
Speaker 5: is your business? Do you make a massive investment in
Speaker 5: a country where there is no law, there is no order?
Speaker 4: Question?
Speaker 5: We have to go back to those first questions.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm just saying we have to have policing of
Speaker 1: some sort on the ground in that situation. Exon, for instance,
Speaker 1: mentioned in that public hearing that usually that type of
Speaker 1: conversation I think is private. So it was bizarrely awkward
Speaker 1: in the way that we got to watch that whole
Speaker 1: thing in the roundtables sort of go down the other day.
Speaker 1: But talking to a former head of political science now
Speaker 1: Professor Merida Wright, State doctor Donashleke was Stirling and Donnadee
Speaker 1: on the big one. So they would want assurances that
Speaker 1: they're not going to have everything that they put together
Speaker 1: there be taken for the That would be the third
Speaker 1: time it's happened twice to them, So that's part of it,
Speaker 1: I guess right. It is guaranteeing that opportunity to suck
Speaker 1: that black gold out of the ground and split that
Speaker 1: resource with the people in Venezuela and obviously every everybody
Speaker 1: else who has a hand in it.
Speaker 3: For profit, right, that is the goal.
Speaker 5: But there are hundreds of billions of dollars. It's been
Speaker 5: twenty years that this infrastructure has been not maintained, over produced.
Speaker 5: They now produce five to ten percent of the oil
Speaker 5: that they used to be capable of. So a massive investment.
Speaker 5: Who will guarantee that? Will it be the ships offshore
Speaker 5: or I think the thing that worries most American is
Speaker 5: Americans is will it be troops on the ground. Right
Speaker 5: The question now what we're watching and we're waiting is
Speaker 5: to see how the Venezuelan leadership can this new acting
Speaker 5: president Delci comes out. Can she convinced that let's say
Speaker 5: two sectors, defense and the interior, the police and the military.
Speaker 5: Can they convince her to work with the Americans. That's
Speaker 5: the conversation going on right now. She was a manager
Speaker 5: for Maduro, you know, for a decade. She knows the
Speaker 5: economic picture, but she's not controlling the two big components
Speaker 5: that we need to work with us to make this
Speaker 5: intervention happen. And that's that's literally what we are waiting
Speaker 5: to see what they choose, how they choose to proceed.
Speaker 5: She's well connected with all the other elites in the country.
Speaker 5: But Defense and the interior, the police, you know, the
Speaker 5: the intel forces, the prisons, et cetera. What will they do,
Speaker 5: how will they will they participate in this or will
Speaker 5: the United States have to use more force? And that's
Speaker 5: when we hit the real rubicon, that that that point
Speaker 5: where our boots on the ground going to be required.
Speaker 5: President Trump promised no more forever wars, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: no more interventions. Well, here we are with the national
Speaker 5: security interest, energy, migration, the mineral purity.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. And so doctor Dona, there's the minerals in Venezuela.
Speaker 2: They're definitely going to be capturing that and the oil
Speaker 2: as well. But do we have the wherewithal to be
Speaker 2: able to, you know, take Greenland in the Venezuela and
Speaker 2: run that country, and and and all the things going
Speaker 2: on with Iran and Ukraine. I mean, the list goes
Speaker 2: on and on. How are we doing all this? And
Speaker 2: you know, what do you see? What do you see happening?
Speaker 2: Especially with Greenland? That's an interesting scenario.
Speaker 5: Greenland may be the most interesting piece of all of
Speaker 5: this because if it does come to military action, Donna,
Speaker 5: what happens to NATO. It's it has been, you know,
Speaker 5: one of those that that's one of the pillars of
Speaker 5: our foreign policy since World War Two. Our major trading
Speaker 5: partners in Europe and of course the other major trading
Speaker 5: partner in Asia, which would be China. That relationship with
Speaker 5: NATO has been, it's been, it's been a fall mark.
Speaker 5: And to raise the question there about taking by force
Speaker 5: someone with whom you have a treaty agreement, We have
Speaker 5: access rights. We've had access rights basically since two or
Speaker 5: three years when we established NATO. So what is the
Speaker 5: larger objective? The Donroe doctrine as he's calling it, you know,
Speaker 5: basically saying the western hemisphere, North in South America are
Speaker 5: for the United States. But since World War Two we've
Speaker 5: been a global power. We've never confined ourselves to the
Speaker 5: western hemisphere. We're global power. And it reminds me when
Speaker 5: I lived in Minneapolis as a student, you know, studying
Speaker 5: diplomatic history, the wars between states, World War two, a
Speaker 5: world war, trying to build a global system based more
Speaker 5: on cooperations, security agreements, prevention of conflict, management of conflicts.
Speaker 5: So we're not facing another massive, potentially nuclear conflict. So, Donna,
Speaker 5: that is the question Congress is asking, what is the plan?
Speaker 5: What is the objective? Do we have the means? Do
Speaker 5: we have public support for this? You know, whether it's
Speaker 5: an intervention in Vietnam at the end of World War II,
Speaker 5: Afghanistan after nine to eleven. Those are the questions Congress
Speaker 5: is supposed to be asking, which is why we have
Speaker 5: legislation that's bubbled up in the Senate just this past
Speaker 5: week about returning to a debate about the war powers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who's authority in control? Correct? I mean that's always
Speaker 3: the thing that goes with it.
Speaker 1: A former head of political science at Right State now,
Speaker 1: Professor Merit to doctor Donnas Schleck was sterling and Donna
Speaker 1: Dee on the big one. I didn't mean, are up
Speaker 1: at a time is short and we want to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about the ice protest Minneapolis and so forth.
Speaker 1: But before we get to that in about a short
Speaker 1: order a couple two three minutes. Response possibly, I have
Speaker 1: a question because I've heard so many conversations people with
Speaker 1: way much more insight into the history of this and
Speaker 1: you are one of those, which is why we have
Speaker 1: you here, and we think about our conquest, our acquisitions,
Speaker 1: our territories globally, how this country was started. Are some
Speaker 1: of the public conversations and comments made by the president
Speaker 1: that he's taking such grief on, regardless of political ideology,
Speaker 1: just objectively, honestly, if people can look at it, is
Speaker 1: this the kind of conversation and strong arm gangster stuff
Speaker 1: that this country has been doing from the beginning, but
Speaker 1: behind closed doors, giving other figureheads or leaders an opportunity
Speaker 1: to look like it was a teamwork group decision where
Speaker 1: we have sort of said, look, we're going to take it.
Speaker 1: You may as well be in front of this and
Speaker 1: look like you want to be a part of this,
Speaker 1: rather than having it out in the open now where
Speaker 1: we're getting so much hate. Do we know that because
Speaker 1: it does seem very gangster like.
Speaker 5: The conversations with the oil industry has been going on.
Speaker 5: That is not new since certainly the summer when the
Speaker 5: build up in the Caribbean started. But there's a hard
Speaker 5: question in the middle of this. Does the oil industry
Speaker 5: want back in, want to reclaim and rehabilitate their infrastructure
Speaker 5: and begin exploring and further developing venezuel as the world's
Speaker 5: biggest known oil reserves. Yes, absolutely, utterly. Has military might
Speaker 5: often backed corporate presence in countries around the world world.
Speaker 5: That's what we call diplomatic history, it's what we call
Speaker 5: gunboat diplomacy. Yes, protecting those American investments, it's one of
Speaker 5: the reasons why we intervened in Panama and brought Noriega
Speaker 5: here because of the importance, particularly of the canal. That's
Speaker 5: always been the quiet case behind the massive investments. The
Speaker 5: military will back and protect your American corporate investments, but
Speaker 5: who is asked to actually do the defending and in
Speaker 5: public opinion, American public opinion is now very skeptical of interventions,
Speaker 5: boots on the ground, and conflicts that appear to go
Speaker 5: on endlessly, that they have a painful memory, a short
Speaker 5: term one, right, Afghanistan in mind, and putting Iran on
Speaker 5: that list as well. These are we don't have a
Speaker 5: lot of success stories to point to. Do we you know,
Speaker 5: good models for intervention and in agement and happy outcomes
Speaker 5: without a loss of a lot of loss of life.
Speaker 5: So the Americans who were asked to actually do the
Speaker 5: defending are not part of the corporate decision to you know,
Speaker 5: to intervene. But this is this has not been sprung
Speaker 5: on the oil industry. They have seen this coming. We
Speaker 5: didn't start talking about oil until very late in the case.
Speaker 5: If you've noticed, Yeah, well it was it was just
Speaker 5: it was a quick sell. It was drugs, it's immigration,
Speaker 5: it's this and that, and with Greenland, it's just well
Speaker 5: we know what's under the ground, even though as you mentioned,
Speaker 5: we already have some relationship. But that whole idea of
Speaker 5: the easy way or the hard way is it's a
Speaker 5: it's a bold conversation that I just wonder historically, president
Speaker 5: after president, diplomat after diplomat across you know, the territories
Speaker 5: in the world, et cetera, that we probably had private
Speaker 5: conversations that have been more gangster like rather than open
Speaker 5: conversation publicly in front of cameras for the world to
Speaker 5: hear us sounding very similar to those countries that we
Speaker 5: say are our enemies because of the way they go
Speaker 5: about their business. In protest in Iran sort of echo that. Now,
Speaker 5: if we can circle back around, I'd like to know
Speaker 5: about the glow or the national protest, whether it's Cincinnati
Speaker 5: or Dayton or Louisville, Indianapolis, across the country to Minneapolis,
Speaker 5: of course, where the shooting happened, of that woman who
Speaker 5: was taken out by an ICE officer, and the question
Speaker 5: of legality and investigation in the midst of either entangling
Speaker 5: with what ICE was doing or overreaction or whatever, is
Speaker 5: that the investigation continues. You were in Minneapolis. There's a
Speaker 5: lot of good people there.
Speaker 1: I almost went it, almost took a job there and
Speaker 1: spent I probably spent about a month there. Overall, it
Speaker 1: is not the blight that a lot of people have
Speaker 1: tried to point the camera on and say that it's
Speaker 1: a horrible place. It's a wonderful place. It just have
Speaker 1: twelve days a summer as all. It's not enough warm weather.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, it can be a month long if
Speaker 5: you're really fortunate living that far north, but it is.
Speaker 5: It's you know, the people who settled there, you know, Norwegians, Swedes, German, Irish.
Speaker 5: It reminded me so much of Sweden when I would
Speaker 5: travel there as well. Hard working, kind of reserved, real
Speaker 5: work ethic, strong communities. Despite what some television shows talk about,
Speaker 5: it was not burned to the ground because of George
Speaker 5: Floyd protests, but that left Minneapolis particularly sensitive, you know,
Speaker 5: to this level of violence in the public. I just
Speaker 5: caught the mayor of Minneapolis with the police chiefs, whom
Speaker 5: they recently brought in from New York City, you know,
Speaker 5: talking about the work that's been done since the Floyd
Speaker 5: protests and how hard they've worked to you know, to
Speaker 5: make friends in the community, which is how police saying.
Speaker 5: You know, we know this in Cincinnati, if the police
Speaker 5: are well liked, thought of, there's cooperation in the community,
Speaker 5: then they will work with you on problems. If it's
Speaker 5: gun violence, you know, whatever it might be. That relationship
Speaker 5: has been rebuilt in Minneapolis. You know, the economy is strong.
Speaker 5: I have to tell you and Donna, what's troubled me
Speaker 5: most lately about the coverage is the description of the
Speaker 5: protester as a domestic terrorist. And having studied it and
Speaker 5: taught terrorism a lot, so much of the definition of
Speaker 5: terrorism goes down to the question of what was the intention?
Speaker 5: Did that woman intend to engage in a violent act
Speaker 5: to hurt law enforcement or a government official and to
Speaker 5: alter in the long run public opinion. I don't think
Speaker 5: she was. I don't think that's what she was doing.
Speaker 5: I saw the video many times, no doubt, Like both
Speaker 5: of you, it looks like she was trying to leave
Speaker 5: the scene at a very low rate of speed. And
Speaker 5: as things do, they get out of hand very quickly,
Speaker 5: and we've seen a loss of life. The reaction in
Speaker 5: Minneapolis has been and powerful, and it does reflect what
Speaker 5: happened there after George Floyd and you know, the twenty twenty,
Speaker 5: that dark period. A lot of us would like to
Speaker 5: try to just put in a little box and put
Speaker 5: it away in our recent memory. But the question of
Speaker 5: you know, was she a domestic terrorist. Was she a
Speaker 5: citizen wanting to exercise her First Amendment rights? Definitely? Wrong place,
Speaker 5: wrong time, How quickly things escalate, and now they've cost
Speaker 5: you know, a mother her life, no long criminal record there.
Speaker 5: I think it does her an injustice to call her
Speaker 5: a terrorist, and it probably further compounds the pain that
Speaker 5: she and her family are feeling. But the public has
Speaker 5: been you know, they're talking with their feet, they're on
Speaker 5: their streets, they're commenting, they're protesting. It looks like President
Speaker 5: Trump dhs the responses to perhaps double down again, and
Speaker 5: perhaps this is the time to take that deep breath
Speaker 5: and to go slow, both in terms of ICE and
Speaker 5: in terms of Venezuela in particular. You know, the care
Speaker 5: that we need to take, the difficulty for law enforcement
Speaker 5: in whatever capacity, a Cincinnati police officer with a shooting
Speaker 5: down and over the rhine and ice ice agents in Minneapolis.
Speaker 5: When we train law enforcement and give them deadly force,
Speaker 5: we have certain expectations, don't we. So this is why
Speaker 5: I mean here we all are saying, well, let us
Speaker 5: perhaps do a good investigation and finally get to the
Speaker 5: bottom and find out what went wrong and how to
Speaker 5: do better. Certainly what we'd like to how to do better.
Speaker 5: I think the signal to Minneapolis, and perhaps people in
Speaker 5: the middle or the left side of the political spectrum
Speaker 5: right now might be in the middle of all of
Speaker 5: this confusion. Perhaps we could go back to square one
Speaker 5: and talk about an immigration system that works better for
Speaker 5: all of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be good too. And peace still protest
Speaker 1: and there's a difference. And also, you know, allowing law
Speaker 1: enforcement to be able to clearly have themselves identified invisible,
Speaker 1: not that this case was one where people didn't know
Speaker 1: who they were, but that's also a conversation I think
Speaker 1: to be had too. We're out of time. It's always
Speaker 1: good to talk to you, to get into your head,
Speaker 1: your experience, and your insights. Doctor Donna Schleck, she's a
Speaker 1: Cincinnati kid, former head of political science now professor may
Speaker 1: at Wright State University in Dayton. Enjoy the rest of
Speaker 1: your Sunday. Thanks for making time for us today.
Speaker 5: Thank you both.
Speaker 2: Thank you, doctor Donna.
Speaker 3: Take care of yourself.
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Speaker 1: one of the best actors I think of his generation
Speaker 1: who I don't know if it was the acting he
Speaker 1: something happened to Mickey Rourke.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I stick surgery is one of them.
Speaker 1: Right, and there's a go fundme page. We've got Dan Elijah,
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Speaker 1: back there as well. So Mickey Rourke has a fundme,
Speaker 1: a go fundme page, but he didn't do it. He
Speaker 1: apparently said hard times and I think he was boxing
Speaker 1: for some years, if I'm not mistaken. He really enjoyed boxing.
Speaker 1: And his face got all busted up and he looks.
Speaker 2: Worse than he did because it's hard wrestler he was.
Speaker 2: He women loved him early on nine and a half weeks.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know he was amazing Angel Heart.
Speaker 1: I mean yes, I mean he's a Greenwich village, yes.
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Speaker 2: was an Oscar I have to look at that incredible movie.
Speaker 2: So I did not know this, So somebody started ago.
Speaker 2: I saw an interview with him where he couldn't pay
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Speaker 3: He was being evicted exactly.
Speaker 1: And some people, because you know, we get close to
Speaker 1: the people that we watch and we listen to and connect,
Speaker 1: and there were people with a good heart. They're like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll help Mickey Rourke out. They get a go fundme page,
Speaker 1: they want to help him stay in his apartment, give
Speaker 1: him a little cushion to get it together because the
Speaker 1: acting is not like it was, and he's getting a
Speaker 1: little long in the two. He's an old bastard and
Speaker 1: let's just be honest, and we all hope to live
Speaker 1: that long. But the thing that was amazing to me
Speaker 1: is then that he came out he didn't understand the GoFundMe,
Speaker 1: and then he was also I think somewhat embarrassed and offended.
Speaker 1: In fact, he said as much. He says, this is embarrassing.
Speaker 1: I don't want anybody's charity get your money back. I
Speaker 1: didn't do this, I don't want this. I don't even
Speaker 1: understand this.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, wild, Yeah, he's.
Speaker 1: Like, I'll handle it on my own. He's getting another
Speaker 1: apartment apparently downsizing, which is what you have to do.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a little respectable, you can see, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll get my I'll pick myself up by
Speaker 2: my bootstraps. You know, you always admire people that will
Speaker 2: do that. But every now and then, now and then, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean why not. I mean I don't even need
Speaker 2: to help right now. Take the money. And also there's
Speaker 2: another gofund me that's yet some attention. Yeah, well, we
Speaker 2: we've been mentioning. Doctor donnish Leahek was on with us
Speaker 2: just a minute ago and she was talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: the protesters in Minnesota, Yeah, exactly in Minneapolis against Ice
Speaker 2: and and obviously this is all stemmed from the death
Speaker 2: of Renee Good, a thirty seven year old mother of three.
Speaker 2: She was killed during the encounter with Ice, and so
Speaker 2: there was a GoFundMe for her kids because they're they're
Speaker 2: you know, left without a mom now and they've raised
Speaker 2: over one point five million. They were asking fifty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars for the initial GoFundMe and they've raised one point
Speaker 2: five million.
Speaker 1: Her children a lot of people from around the enture
Speaker 1: and wanting to contribute to that. And some people are
Speaker 1: a little disgusted and irritated because you know, tons of
Speaker 1: videos come out. Everyone's seen it, including the officer who
Speaker 1: was involved in the actual shooting his video from his phone.
Speaker 2: And the things that he said. There's that at the
Speaker 2: very end, calling her in you know, right, a terrible word.
Speaker 3: A terrible word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so there are people saying that it's inexcusable
Speaker 1: that there should be no money raised because you know,
Speaker 1: she was engaging and trying to run down cops and
Speaker 1: so forth or ice agents in this situation. It's a
Speaker 1: wild thing because you depending on the angle, and sadly,
Speaker 1: I think perspective, there's no objectivity. Like if you could
Speaker 1: get a jury, it'd be difficult to find people who
Speaker 1: said would say that they could be impartial to look
Speaker 1: at evidence if in fact, this was ever going to
Speaker 1: be adjudicated, go to court and see whether it was
Speaker 1: a good shooting or a bad shooting. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: an odd thing to say, and not because of the
Speaker 1: attention drawn, but because the opinions already made.
Speaker 2: The political parties that that that that line where you're
Speaker 2: you know, you see it one way because you're skewed
Speaker 2: for the ice agents, and you see it other for
Speaker 2: your screw skewed for the protest that I will sit
Speaker 2: screwed skewed. No, And I don't mean to laugh at
Speaker 2: this because it's a horrible, horrible situation, and you know
Speaker 2: there's there's a mother left head. I don't think you
Speaker 2: should be taunting anybody. People say she was taunting and
Speaker 2: and and and things like that, but there certainly doesn't
Speaker 2: need to be three bullets in her head, that's for sure.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: So I just want to curious about your one. Have
Speaker 1: you given the gofunny thing? If you were Mickey Rourke?
Speaker 1: Would you give the dough back if you could understand
Speaker 1: what was going on? And then part of that is pride.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of those seventh things, seventh sin,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You know, if you need the money, you take the money.
Speaker 2: It may to help you.
Speaker 1: Maybe just wants to work. I mean you know that
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Give him a job, let him do
Speaker 1: some work. But he's a little sure, little banged up.
Speaker 1: I'm a little scary looking too, and I didn't have
Speaker 1: my face all beatn You know that that's a whole
Speaker 1: other thing. And in this case, of course she's the
Speaker 1: woman good was killed. She's got the widow. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't know how you say that. If it's the same
Speaker 1: sex couple, it's still a widow, right.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they were married were if they were married,
Speaker 2: it would I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be disrespivet I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know the rules of that. If it's a.
Speaker 2: Partner is left without her so and the kids are
Speaker 2: left for you.
Speaker 1: Just jump right beyond it to get to like a
Speaker 1: common sense kind of a solution. I want to know,
Speaker 1: is it a widow or a widower? That's the problem,
Speaker 1: is that in my head, I just want to know
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Speaker 3: Dan, what do you have? Appreciate you listening and holding
Speaker 3: what's going on?
Speaker 7: Hey, love your show, always have Thank you.
Speaker 6: To the point, these are people, the whole Minnesota thing,
Speaker 6: Renette Good, the ICE Agent, they're people. My brother is
Speaker 6: a psychologist who works with police officers and PTSD. My sons,
Speaker 6: both of them our military and have seen action in
Speaker 6: Iraq and Afghanistan. I have seen PTSD upfront and personal
Speaker 6: and it is not something to be treated lightly. And
Speaker 6: at ICE Agent obviously had some of that going on.
Speaker 6: But this country is founded on freedom of speech, in
Speaker 6: the right to be able to protest in the manner
Speaker 6: in which.
Speaker 7: It's done varies greatly. There was one point in my
Speaker 7: life where I was whipped to a froth over a
Speaker 7: particular situation. I won't get into all that, but I know.
Speaker 6: What it's like when people who have power over other
Speaker 6: people get them excited and get them doing things that
Speaker 6: they probably normally wouldn't do. So but it really still
Speaker 6: comes down to these are people and to a point
Speaker 6: and say this is a domestic terrorist or this or that.
Speaker 7: They're operating within the freedoms.
Speaker 6: Allowed by the country, and that ICE agent had probably
Speaker 6: been cleared for work. So one of the problems with
Speaker 6: freedom of speech and freedom to protest is that this
Speaker 6: kind of situation can occur where two decent people got
Speaker 6: into something that is not decent. No one wins. That
Speaker 6: police officer will never recover from this. We have a
Speaker 6: friend of the family who shot somebody in Clifton and
Speaker 6: that guy will never get over it. He was a
Speaker 6: police officer of good standing, and it again, you know
Speaker 6: situation where the car was a major threat. If you've
Speaker 6: been hit by a car, you know what it feels like,
Speaker 6: and having just come off of that, you can understand well, and.
Speaker 1: That's the thing he was dragged and had what thirty
Speaker 1: his stitches or more in that arm. I mean, the
Speaker 1: question would be, as you say, clear to come back
Speaker 1: to duty, and you kind of wonder in a combative
Speaker 1: situation if you should have been placed in that for
Speaker 1: his own well being, let alone a demonstrator or demonstrators
Speaker 1: who may cross the line or hit him emotionally or
Speaker 1: have him be fearful for his life. Again, because most
Speaker 1: of us have never had a weapon discharged in our
Speaker 1: general direction or a vehicle driven at us, and what
Speaker 1: could be considered a threatening way and new question also
Speaker 1: the training of do you get it in front of
Speaker 1: or behind a moving vehicle where you put yourself in
Speaker 1: jeopardy or get them later too. I mean, there's so
Speaker 1: many layers to this that seem to have been lost
Speaker 1: in a lot of the conversation that people have. Dan
Speaker 1: fantastic hallity perspective and very thoughtful. We appreciate you listening
Speaker 1: and being a part of the show. Seriously, thank you.
Speaker 2: Take idea of one thing he did say that that
Speaker 2: that just you know, made me think too, they are
Speaker 2: both human beings and and and put in a tense
Speaker 2: situation like that, especially with someone who does have PTSD.
Speaker 2: You think about it, if it's if he's been hit before,
Speaker 2: there's got to be something, whether he's cleared or not,
Speaker 2: there's going to be something that he reacts to. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and uh, and and that was certainly maybe maybe that
Speaker 2: needs to be looked at big time.
Speaker 3: It does.
Speaker 1: You know, there's so many questions about how, you know,
Speaker 1: the ice moving forward and how they go about their business,
Speaker 1: because they're doing work that needs to be done in
Speaker 1: some fashion in the way policing is done in a
Speaker 1: certainly protesting whether you're just on the street in the
Speaker 1: midst of traffic, caught up in the weirdness that is
Speaker 1: maybe something happening, or wanting to actually engage and either
Speaker 1: put yourself between the law enforcement and whatever they're going
Speaker 1: to do their work. About interference and engagement, Uh, there's
Speaker 1: a lot Yeah, I mean physically involving them, threatening them
Speaker 1: in some fashion. But also you would hope that professionals
Speaker 1: in the business of policing in general, regardless of which level,
Speaker 1: organization or otherwise, one would hope that they would also
Speaker 1: have that ability to not let verbal assaults and comments
Speaker 1: get them emotionally charged to where they would make a
Speaker 1: decision they would not otherwise do reasonably.
Speaker 2: Right, and when you when your training is cut in half,
Speaker 2: even more so, that might be a critical point of
Speaker 2: being able to police people without emotionally getting when you've
Speaker 2: got whistles, loud whistles and honking of horns and people
Speaker 2: in your face saying get out of here and all
Speaker 2: that other stuff. You have to be if you're going
Speaker 2: to be out there, you have to be able to
Speaker 2: maintain that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Let's get Sandusky. Elijah, Tanya or Tanya. I don't
Speaker 1: know which. We'll find out. Usually I don't know there
Speaker 1: was I knew what Tan, I don't know one t
Speaker 1: I don't know it is Elijah. I know that for sure.
Speaker 1: You're with Stirling and Donna deal on the big one.
Speaker 1: Thanks for holding what do you have?
Speaker 8: Yes, I was calling in to talk about, you know,
Speaker 8: in regard to the killing of Renee Good, which obviously
Speaker 8: I don't wish that she was killed, obviously nobody does,
Speaker 8: because she was deadly behind three kids. But the same hand,
Speaker 8: the reason.
Speaker 4: She was shot was because she did if you watch the.
Speaker 8: Videos, but that she did strike that ice officer with
Speaker 8: her vehicle. But it's very clearly shows that, and some
Speaker 8: people will say that maybe you should have been standing
Speaker 8: in front of her or maybe whatever, But she did
Speaker 8: have her vehicle parked perpendicular to traffic, obstructing federal agents,
Speaker 8: which is a crime. And obviously the reason what she
Speaker 8: was was a protest. But when you protest, you have
Speaker 8: to protest lawfully. You can't break the law when you're protesting,
Speaker 8: because alviously that's the crime. And so I believe the
Speaker 8: officer was justified in shooting because, no doubt, we feared,
Speaker 8: and you know rightly, so he feared for his own
Speaker 8: lives because obviously having a vehicle driven at you and
Speaker 8: being struck, regardless of the speed that you were struck at,
Speaker 8: being struck by a vehicle would definitely make you fearful
Speaker 8: for your life. And then so that's that's that's why
Speaker 8: he decided, in a split second, he had to make
Speaker 8: a split second decision to pull the trigger. And now
Speaker 8: everyone obviously wishes he didn't have to make that decision.
Speaker 4: I'm sure he himself would.
Speaker 8: Not want would if you could go back, would try
Speaker 8: to avoid making that decision. But at the time, he
Speaker 8: believed for his own safety it was the right decision.
Speaker 8: And I think the more concerning thing is is the
Speaker 8: reason why these Super Bowl producing it wasn't because they
Speaker 8: really think that that this certain officer was out to
Speaker 8: kill them or obviously there's no he had no mal intent.
Speaker 8: And I don't really think that monet good, which he
Speaker 8: started her morning, was the change to go and run
Speaker 8: over an ice officer. But also I don't believe the
Speaker 8: narrative you see pushed in mainstream media that says that
Speaker 8: she was just happened to be caught up in the
Speaker 8: midst of, you know, a traffic jam and she was
Speaker 8: just you know, picking up her kids from you know,
Speaker 8: I don't know, Somali daycare and she just.
Speaker 3: Got caught in the traffic jam. Really, it just dropped
Speaker 3: the Somali daycare and everything.
Speaker 2: And I mean, Elijah, you were making sense a little
Speaker 2: bit there, but in my opinion, you've gone off.
Speaker 3: But I heard one thing about Elijah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard one thing about her just moseying along
Speaker 2: and getting stuck in traffic.
Speaker 1: Some people were saying that she dropped the kids off
Speaker 1: and was just stuck in traffic. But it's clear that
Speaker 1: there was an attempt by for documentation and video. Her
Speaker 1: wife or whatever was outside of the.
Speaker 2: Vehicle she was protesting.
Speaker 1: For sure, I don't and I've seen how many videos,
Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily buy the fact that she was
Speaker 1: running over the guy. She hit the gas and was
Speaker 1: trying to maneuver.
Speaker 2: He trying to maneuver he was in front of the car.
Speaker 1: I just I want an objective, fair investigation and allowing
Speaker 1: Minnesota also their authorities to be able to look at
Speaker 1: that too. I think that's more than reasonable and rational,
Speaker 1: and then you can sort of make a decision or
Speaker 1: at least those people in positions of you know, power
Speaker 1: and authority can look at training and what they did
Speaker 1: and how they went about their business. Good shooting or
Speaker 1: bad shooting. I don't think anybody got up and wanted
Speaker 1: to have somebody go home dead.
Speaker 2: That That's what I agree with him about. He didn't plan,
Speaker 2: She didn't plan to go and get you know, get
Speaker 2: involved in get and get shot that morning at a protest.
Speaker 1: So it's just it's just a horrible thing. You don't
Speaker 1: want law enforcement in that situation. You don't want protesters
Speaker 1: in that situation. But we knew the outset of all
Speaker 1: of this, with the deportations and a serious effort to
Speaker 1: go after people. It was going to get really nasty,
Speaker 1: really dirty people's lives, children, people ingrained in the community
Speaker 1: that have lived here in some cases for decades. There's
Speaker 1: high level of passion and in concern and going into
Speaker 1: schools and it's difficult. It's just, you know, you would
Speaker 1: think that there might be a better, more reasonable, rational
Speaker 1: way to go about this business in general. But here
Speaker 1: we are, and I'm sort of surprised that I haven't
Speaker 1: had more UH engagements that have turned sour like this
Speaker 1: over time, and you just hope that that's not the
Speaker 1: case for anyone period. Let's get to Mason and Tanya
Speaker 1: or is Tanya or Tanya Tanya Tanya.
Speaker 9: It's Donya.
Speaker 3: I thought, sod on the big one. What's going on?
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 9: Okay, So, just to throw this out there, I'm I
Speaker 9: am a rehabbed criminal. I used to commit crimes. I've
Speaker 9: been to prison. I've actually one of the ones that
Speaker 9: have changed my life, and I'm a productive member of
Speaker 9: society now.
Speaker 3: Excellent.
Speaker 10: When I was younger, in.
Speaker 9: My teenage years, I protested for the death penalty in Missouri,
Speaker 9: for the abolition of the death penalty. Never did we
Speaker 9: interfere with this the staff of the prison. We didn't
Speaker 9: go there with the intentions to do things like that.
Speaker 10: We were just protesting.
Speaker 9: And I feel like when you intentionally put yourself in
Speaker 9: a situation where the ice officers are doing one particular thing.
Speaker 9: They're not patrolling the streets, they were there to do
Speaker 9: one particular thing, you, as a citizen, take yourself and
Speaker 9: intentionally put yourself there, knowing that it could get a
Speaker 9: little out of hand, and you're going there to entice
Speaker 9: and to interfere with what they're doing. You're not allowed
Speaker 9: to do that. You're not allowed to interfere with law enforcement.
Speaker 9: And people are forgetting that.
Speaker 2: ICE is not just ice.
Speaker 9: Ice are federal law enforcement officers. So just like if
Speaker 9: me and you were to get pulled over, we're not
Speaker 9: necessarily arrested at that time, but we are detained. We're
Speaker 9: not allowed to just leave. We're not allowed to just
Speaker 9: do what we want. If we're asked to identify ourselves,
Speaker 9: we have to. So if me as a criminal back
Speaker 9: in the day, I didn't fight with the police whenever
Speaker 9: they pulled me over and asked me for my ID,
Speaker 9: I would have been putting myself in a worse situation
Speaker 9: than I was already in So whenever a law enforcement officer,
Speaker 9: whether it's county, city, federal, if they tell you to stop,
Speaker 9: you're supposed to stop. Yeah, So when he stood in
Speaker 9: front of her car and told her to stop, she
Speaker 9: should have stopped.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 9: I mean, granted, if he would have moved out in
Speaker 9: front of her car, she could have ran away. Later
Speaker 9: they could have ran her, placed with to her house
Speaker 9: and got her. She wouldn't be dead, he wouldn't be
Speaker 9: facing these allegations.
Speaker 5: But that's what happened.
Speaker 9: He was trying to get her to stop because he
Speaker 9: was a law enforcement officer telling her to stop. Now,
Speaker 9: the video before, we don't know. Video before, we don't
Speaker 9: know if she was throwing things like what we've seen
Speaker 9: on television, people throwing things at them, trying to break
Speaker 9: into where they're at, trying to stop them from going,
Speaker 9: throwing bricks at their cars. We don't know what was
Speaker 9: happening before the video we see, but we do see
Speaker 9: a federal law enforcement officer telling someone who is impeding
Speaker 9: their duties to stop, and she didn't.
Speaker 10: She hit the gas.
Speaker 9: YEP, me and you and anyone else in the world.
Speaker 9: If we feel like someone is getting to hit us
Speaker 9: with a corn. We have a gun in our hands,
Speaker 9: we might shoot.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're in fear for your life, I
Speaker 1: mean that's the thing, and they are trained to stop
Speaker 1: the threat. I mean that that's sort of the way
Speaker 1: it goes. We'll see how the investigation goes.
Speaker 3: Tony.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you got your life together and your perspective
Speaker 1: means everything. We're just against the wall in time here.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Hope you'll call again. We appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Well, that was totally agree with her. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of what she said because you have to pay attention
Speaker 2: to the rule of law.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, John and Jerry, Larry others.
Speaker 1: Room for you. You're seven or seven thirty. I'm dyslexic.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it, says one twenty seven. You're one
Speaker 1: thirty reports straight away more Sterling and Donna d coming
Speaker 1: back here. Seven hundred WLWD hanging out seven hundred WLW
Speaker 1: Sad day for dead fans, music fans all over the place.
Speaker 1: Bob Weirs left us seventy eight years old complications of
Speaker 1: lung issues after a cancer was beaten and apparently the lungs.
Speaker 1: What a great body of music and really I mean
Speaker 1: from just the jam band thing and so many great
Speaker 1: players and so much history.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's such tough, so many psychedelics, so many.
Speaker 3: Are you saying that there might have been some pharmaceuticals
Speaker 3: cause I.
Speaker 2: Seen maybe, but I've never been to a Dead show,
Speaker 2: so I can't be one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 3: I don't know how that's possible.
Speaker 2: I mean, weird to think, no, is it? I mean, well,
Speaker 2: what happens is just like your friend we talked about
Speaker 2: it earlier, you go to a Grateful Dead show and
Speaker 2: then you just follow them.
Speaker 4: I never did.
Speaker 3: I was always a fan. I never did it.
Speaker 1: But she like, she went on her Mary Way and
Speaker 1: on the road and then she's well adjusted, professional mom,
Speaker 1: handle her business.
Speaker 2: It's their music, it's their vibe, it's the culture, it's everything.
Speaker 2: When you go to a Grateful Dead show.
Speaker 1: A couple of friends I've done this over the years.
Speaker 1: They'd hit the road. They'd be like, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: in Chicago, will be back in Cincinnati with their at
Speaker 1: Riverbed or whatever.
Speaker 3: You comment.
Speaker 1: Were we in the lot making like burritos. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's a liner day thing. Burritos in the lot. I
Speaker 1: don't know about necessarily, but people loved them a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's uh, let's we got some people holding.
Speaker 1: And then of course right before the break, we were
Speaker 1: talking to Tanya, yes.
Speaker 2: And you know, we didn't have time to comment on
Speaker 2: her comment because Tanya had a lot of good points.
Speaker 2: When you know, police officers, federal agents and things like
Speaker 2: that tell you to do something, you do it. I
Speaker 2: have always adhered to that. I mean, I know civil
Speaker 2: rights is a big deal, and I don't want my
Speaker 2: civil rights violated too. But if an officer says pull
Speaker 2: the car over, I'm gonna put my over and I'm
Speaker 2: going to handle my drik whatever it is, and then
Speaker 2: if I have an issue, I'll take it up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll fight it later, but in the meantime. But it's
Speaker 2: the same thing, Sterling. If like I don't antagonize drivers.
Speaker 2: If somebody comes and I'm not driving fast enough for them,
Speaker 2: which happens and comes in tailgates me, I'm going to
Speaker 2: get out of the way of that driver, and I'm
Speaker 2: not going to slow down just to irritate him because
Speaker 2: he's irritating me literally get but I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: circumstances are different, but I do my very best in
Speaker 2: this life to not inflame other people's because people are
Speaker 2: crazy right.
Speaker 1: Now, just in general hostility, you know what we're there's
Speaker 1: a fine line. I see the hostility, but I also
Speaker 1: in some ways and I make a point to go
Speaker 1: out of my way to be friendly and nice and talkative,
Speaker 1: which is hard for me because I am very shy,
Speaker 1: which it is bizarre but true. I know, uh that
Speaker 1: may sound weird, but people get really aggressive, really fat.
Speaker 2: And flip a switch on somebody if you try, and
Speaker 2: you know, antagonize somebody.
Speaker 1: And people are really quick to the gun. And that
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean professionals, It just means everyday people. So
Speaker 1: you don't really know what you're dealing with, whether it's
Speaker 1: on seventy one seventy five or the parking lot at
Speaker 1: the grocery store otherwise, let alone engaging in active law
Speaker 1: enforcement doing their business. I am time and place for
Speaker 1: protest in the right way, but it can be dangerous.
Speaker 1: Five point three, seven four nine, seven, eight hundred The
Speaker 1: Big One, your chance to get interactive. Rafael's coming up.
Speaker 1: Jerry starts in room for you on seven hundred. W
Speaker 1: welw was Sterling and Donna d Jerry thanks for holding
Speaker 1: what do you have?
Speaker 11: Yes, Donna would be too young to remember this, but
Speaker 11: the first time I heard of Mickey Rourke was when
Speaker 11: actor Bob Conrad, Robert Conrad of the Wild Wild West
Speaker 11: TV series Who've done his own stunts. He was doing
Speaker 11: a commercial for Energizer batteries and he placed an eight
Speaker 11: pack on his shoulder and during the commercial at the end,
Speaker 11: he said, and I dare anyone to come and ID
Speaker 11: to knock it off of my shoulder. That's right, And
Speaker 11: Mickey Rourke responded and said he would do it, and
Speaker 11: Robert Conrad said, bring him on. Now. That's as far
Speaker 11: as I ever found out. I wanted to follow it up,
Speaker 11: but I never found out what happened.
Speaker 1: Well, I would love to know, because so this wasn't
Speaker 1: an act like in real life. He encountered Conrad and
Speaker 1: was like, I'll take that those batteries off your shoulder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would like to see that too, because I think
Speaker 1: at one time or another, Mickey Rourke liked to mix
Speaker 1: it up a little bit.
Speaker 3: It sounds sounds.
Speaker 11: Like I was very young at the time and I
Speaker 11: was biased because Robert Conrad was a hero of mine.
Speaker 11: I watched his Western movies and TV series. But I
Speaker 11: would also like to know how that turned out.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. We'll have to do some research
Speaker 1: and find out. Jerry, thank you.
Speaker 3: I do know that.
Speaker 1: Conrad also, I just watched it. It's weird because I
Speaker 1: like the old Columbo. He did a Columbo where he
Speaker 1: played a murderer who was like a fitness expert who
Speaker 1: was cheating the company and he was just killing people
Speaker 1: because he could.
Speaker 2: There is no record that mickeyro actually knocked the ever
Speaker 2: Ready battery off Robert Conrad's shoulder in real life. So
Speaker 2: there's the answer.
Speaker 1: There's artificial intelligence for you. We got the answer. Speaking
Speaker 1: of which, Jeffrey Schaeffer. He's a director of the applied
Speaker 1: AI lab that you see, and a whole lot of
Speaker 1: other credentials we'll get to later after two o'clock talking
Speaker 1: about our future with artificial intelligence. Also, Angeanette Leaving, a lovely, talented,
Speaker 1: well informed former anchor reporter here in town, still here
Speaker 1: based if I'm not mistaken, works for long crime. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get into her head after two thirty five. Talk
Speaker 1: about the Columbus dentist who has ties. I think he
Speaker 1: spent time living in Mason and his wife, who were
Speaker 1: murdered allegedly by Ohio State medical grad who was in Chicago,
Speaker 1: who she was married to previously, now charged with both
Speaker 1: their murders. So we'll get into her head about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just a weird That is a
Speaker 1: horrible story. And his oh my gosh, mugshot is just scary.
Speaker 3: I've heard that from a few people.
Speaker 2: He smokes his face, the look on that guy face,
Speaker 2: and then you see side by side the happy couple,
Speaker 2: they look so cute together. And then you see the
Speaker 2: mugs shot of the ex who, by the way, ran
Speaker 2: for eight days. It was a man hunt, and he's caught,
Speaker 2: and he's he's.
Speaker 1: Being held ahead. Oh my good covers tracks and do
Speaker 1: what was necessary. Thank goodness, lest the kids.
Speaker 3: And the dog.
Speaker 1: Though I'm not saying it was good that he did
Speaker 1: the killing allegedly that he did. I'm just saying, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thankfully he didn't take out the whole family.
Speaker 1: But I don't know anybody who's had a mugshot where
Speaker 1: they look good. I mean, well, if I had somebody
Speaker 1: take my mugshot now, just for fun, I'd give a
Speaker 1: sour face just to look like a bad ad.
Speaker 2: Well, this guy looks he looks crazy.
Speaker 12: He does.
Speaker 2: Look at Google it Google the mugshot of the alleged killer,
Speaker 2: alleged of the cute Columbus, Ohio couple.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, well see see this is the thing
Speaker 1: you humanize and soften because they're cute. If they were
Speaker 1: some hideous, ugly looking people and they were killing, you
Speaker 1: don't even go.
Speaker 3: Everybody, so many, so many people donaga.
Speaker 1: Well there are such a perfect couple, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter even if they weren't a perfect couple.
Speaker 3: They shouldn't have been gunned down.
Speaker 2: That should go without saying, I knock it off.
Speaker 1: I mean the Manngione guy or whatever, not like Chuck Manngoni,
Speaker 1: the guy you've gunned down allegedly the healthcare like a
Speaker 1: CEO or whatever right in New York. All the people
Speaker 1: coming out, he's so pretty, he's attractive, and all these
Speaker 1: people sending money to him because he's good looker or whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, that's horrible, it is you See,
Speaker 1: you pick your spots, don't you? Always good to talk
Speaker 1: to Rafael and bond Hill with Sterling and Donnade on
Speaker 1: the Big one and then Matt after that coming up too.
Speaker 3: What's up, Rafael. I appreciate you being here.
Speaker 13: Everything is good, Sterling and Dona d nice to hear
Speaker 13: you as always, you know, of course it's a you know,
Speaker 13: tragic story in Minneapolis. And and Donade, thanks for bringing
Speaker 13: up the Columbus couple too. That one kind of hurt
Speaker 13: too because the ex wife she moves on, you know,
Speaker 13: found you know, peace and love, family and this.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 13: And let me just refrain from calling you what I
Speaker 13: want to over the air, but control you know, hopefully
Speaker 13: justice will be served appropriately. Uh in Minneapolis, guys, and
Speaker 13: the sister of Nae Good, I've watched the videos, you know,
Speaker 13: constant times, uh, for different angles, different videos in her comments,
Speaker 13: you know, all around about But to see my take
Speaker 13: on it is is that I'm pro law enforcement.
Speaker 8: You're probably going to be hard pressed.
Speaker 13: To find anybody more a law for law enforcement than I.
Speaker 13: But in this case here, I'm very wary of this
Speaker 13: version of ice officers across the country as a whole
Speaker 13: up there in many now, Renee Good, she did not
Speaker 13: deserve to be shot to death that day. Uh, if
Speaker 13: it were me the officers who came up to the
Speaker 13: door initially, I'm getting out of the car. Now that's
Speaker 13: me if if Renee was, you know, wary of the
Speaker 13: situation of fraid here's Ice.
Speaker 4: I don't know what they're.
Speaker 13: Gonna do to me, or I got to get home,
Speaker 13: I got to get to work. That I don't know.
Speaker 13: But I will tell you guys this, the officer who
Speaker 13: killed her, the way he started filming around the back
Speaker 13: of the car, and Renee's partner and the license plate,
Speaker 13: and the way he strolled around that passenger side of
Speaker 13: the car to the front in a nonchalot manner. He
Speaker 13: knew damn well that those other Ice officers allegedly were
Speaker 13: at that door. But that guy who killed her had
Speaker 13: no in tension of letting her go away. And I'm
Speaker 13: going to say this point blank, I believe that it
Speaker 13: was all a setup to actually get in front of
Speaker 13: the vehicle to make an excuse for her as she
Speaker 13: pulled away, he was going to pull a trigger because
Speaker 13: I believe that no coincidence up in Minneapolis, the whole
Speaker 13: Somali fraud thing and the blue state and governor walls
Speaker 13: and all that. But I do believe that he intentionally
Speaker 13: when he walked around the car to go in front
Speaker 13: of the car.
Speaker 4: He could have moved.
Speaker 13: No officer with proper training is going to stand in
Speaker 13: front of a vehicle when he knows that other officers
Speaker 13: are trying to get the person to either hold on,
Speaker 13: don't go.
Speaker 4: Get out of the car.
Speaker 13: Whatever. He stood there, knowing full well that she was
Speaker 13: going to make a move. She turned the wheels of
Speaker 13: her vehicle away from him, and.
Speaker 4: He still shot her.
Speaker 13: There were two other vehicles at least that were able
Speaker 13: to go around them, or ice agents or her car.
Speaker 13: So the impeding uh law enforcement, that's bs. But you
Speaker 13: cannot put anything past this administration and this this that
Speaker 13: person in the over office. Well I got before, I
Speaker 13: told you before, Sterling, and we'll say it again. You
Speaker 13: can't put anything passing. He's lied his way through life
Speaker 13: to get to this point. He's staged two fake assassination.
Speaker 1: Attempt into the shallow end of the pool here.
Speaker 3: Now hold on a second.
Speaker 1: You can hear he's it's a it's a it's an
Speaker 1: upsetting cut. It's a little always appreciate the call, and
Speaker 1: we thank you. But I mean, first of all, I
Speaker 1: don't know that the president was on the ground Minneapolis.
Speaker 3: I don't think he was.
Speaker 1: Firstly, Secondly, you don't know what was in that law
Speaker 1: enforcement officers that ice agent's heart and in that moment,
Speaker 1: how afraid he was or wasn't and especially with what
Speaker 1: he went through not long ago that made became public
Speaker 1: because of litigation in the situation where he was dragged
Speaker 1: and had where he was reaching into a vehicle, had
Speaker 1: that arm caught up and I think it was thirty
Speaker 1: some stitches in that arm not long ago, and then
Speaker 1: back out their enforcement on the streets and engaging people
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know if I had been through
Speaker 1: what he had been through, if I would have one
Speaker 1: wanted to be there, or maybe I would have wanted
Speaker 1: to be there, And maybe I shouldn't be there because
Speaker 1: I might be a little too quick to want to
Speaker 1: retaliate or avoid a situation where I might be heard
Speaker 1: again or one of my others a uniform or public around.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. That's a lot of assumptions. What
Speaker 1: I would like to see is a clean, objective, honest
Speaker 1: investigation that's for everyone to be able to see with
Speaker 1: sunshine light all over it, Rather than people in positions
Speaker 1: of power and authority who had not seen the video
Speaker 1: that most of us have already been able to see subsequently,
Speaker 1: including that ICE agent's video from his phone making comments
Speaker 1: about what this woman good did or did not do,
Speaker 1: which were verifiably visible for anyone who has a device
Speaker 1: in hand to look at video. I just want it
Speaker 1: to be clean.
Speaker 2: Do you think we're gonna get that.
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna get. I would hope
Speaker 1: that the FBI would do it the right way, and honestly,
Speaker 1: I would hope that Minnesota has a chance to be
Speaker 1: able to investigate it and get involved in it also,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. And as this continues and the
Speaker 1: policing continues, people need to take a deep breath and
Speaker 1: back off, and that includes the public wanting to protest,
Speaker 1: which is all right.
Speaker 2: It's getting worse, not I mean, it's getting more heated.
Speaker 2: Even if you heard Raphael, who is a caller that
Speaker 2: calls in quite a bit.
Speaker 3: And does support the police and everything else, you could, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Can hear it in his voice, the emotion that's coming out,
Speaker 2: and you see it on the streets of cities all
Speaker 2: across this country exactly. I mean, there's so this is
Speaker 2: going to get worse before it gets better, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Here's Matt. He's heading to UK.
Speaker 1: That's University of Kentucky if you don't know, And welcome
Speaker 1: to seven hundred WLW. You're with Stirling and Donnade. Now
Speaker 1: you grew up in you're in Minnesota? And were you
Speaker 1: in the Twin Cities growing up or what part of
Speaker 1: the beautiful state where the Golden Gophers go?
Speaker 4: Heay, good afternoon.
Speaker 12: I grew up in southern Minnesota, about seventy miles south
Speaker 12: of the Twin Cities.
Speaker 3: Okay, but go ahead.
Speaker 12: I was going to say, I've just got over yelling
Speaker 12: at the radio when Rafleel was on. But I grew
Speaker 12: up in Minnesota. Minnesota's always been a kind of a
Speaker 12: fascinating political situation for those that are old enough. You
Speaker 12: remember we elected Jesse Ventura back in the nineties, So
Speaker 12: it's always been a little bit wild in Minnesota. But
Speaker 12: whether people like it or not, and I don't like
Speaker 12: the shooting any more than anyone else, it is legally justifiable.
Speaker 12: And I am stunned, stunned by the people who are
Speaker 12: armchair quarterbacking a super slow motion video or at a
Speaker 12: raphael questioning the position of the aged relative to the car.
Speaker 12: This woman was obstructing justice civil disobedience. To Tanya's point,
Speaker 12: it has consequences. Obstructing justice, obstructing lawful law enforcement activity
Speaker 12: has consequences. And what is mind boggling to me, as
Speaker 12: a former Minnesota resident, is within minutes you have Tim Waaltz,
Speaker 12: the governor, and Jacob Fray, the mayor of Minneapolis, calling
Speaker 12: this agent a murderer, and Walt's saying we are at
Speaker 12: war that is a direct quote, at war with the
Speaker 12: federal government. So this narrative that ICE agents are inciting
Speaker 12: this activity, this violence, is astounding, and I feel like
Speaker 12: as a society, holy smokes, we have fallen so far
Speaker 12: where we are so disrespectful of law enforce meant activity
Speaker 12: that is properly predicated, that we are physically prohibiting them
Speaker 12: from acting, which is what is happening right now on
Speaker 12: a daily basis with ICE particularly, and we're celebrating this.
Speaker 1: I don't know, and it's paying attention to Minneapolis right now.
Speaker 12: They're assaulting hotels that they think staying in. They are
Speaker 12: following these ICE agents from dawn to dust and doxing
Speaker 12: them personally. That's not getting a lot of press. What's
Speaker 12: getting oppressed is Unfortunately, this tragedy situation. The woman is dead.
Speaker 12: You know, no, I don't think anybody woke up that
Speaker 12: day thinking this is going to be the end of
Speaker 12: her or I'm going to shoot her.
Speaker 3: I would hope not too.
Speaker 12: As a society, I'm really disappointed.
Speaker 1: Great, great perspective and insights. I wish we could go
Speaker 1: further with you, but we're against the wall in time
Speaker 1: again fighting a clock, which is bizarre but true. Excuse
Speaker 1: me your two o'clock report straight away. More Sterling and
Speaker 1: Donna d coming back, appreciate the call in the perspective
Speaker 1: and certainly coming from Minnesota too. Jeffrey Schaeffer, director of
Speaker 1: the Applied AI Lab that you see, is going to
Speaker 1: join us. We'll talk on the future of artificial intelligence
Speaker 1: and what the big change they say, it's like monumental
Speaker 1: change like we've never seen in human histories in front
Speaker 1: of us. In the next five to ten years. We'll
Speaker 1: find out what that means. After the two o'clock report
Speaker 1: here on the Home of the Red seven hundred WLW Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: fineal hour together, that's fine Sunday afternoon, Sterling and Donnade
Speaker 1: hanging out. Lots happening NFL playoffs Bill's.
Speaker 2: And Bill's just scored. I don't even know what that was.
Speaker 1: And seven Bill's football is good today. Our sister of
Speaker 1: the Duke is a happy yeah in Buffalo now absolutely.
Speaker 2: I mean she's the biggest Buffalo fan. And I have
Speaker 2: got to root now the Bengals are out. I got
Speaker 2: a root for Buffalo.
Speaker 1: A lot of Buffalo fans in and around the trist Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, and one of those two. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: the world is changing, and it change fast, and we've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of change. We went through, went from
Speaker 1: the video store to a mailing DVDs you know, to
Speaker 1: now streaming and every device in your hand.
Speaker 3: And now they're smart. They know what's going on.
Speaker 1: You don't have to like a Like when I first
Speaker 1: get on the internet and I was doing stuff for
Speaker 1: the radio station, I had to learn HTML. I was
Speaker 1: doing code to put up a website and it was
Speaker 1: an ugly website. Now anybody can anyone can do it.
Speaker 1: Technology is a beautiful thing. And we've seen over the
Speaker 1: years so many different changes in our society, from the
Speaker 1: invention of the telephone and the telegraph in the train,
Speaker 1: the steam mentioned vehicles, flight with the Wright brothers a
Speaker 1: lot of that done in and around the tri State,
Speaker 1: the Miami Valley. Certainly a lot of brain power here
Speaker 1: that have changed and improved the way we live and
Speaker 1: to what's coming in front of us, they say is
Speaker 1: like nothing we've ever seen. That in the next five
Speaker 1: to ten years, artificial intelligence will be the greatest change
Speaker 1: in human history when it comes to advancement of technology
Speaker 1: and how we live. And on the line from the
Speaker 1: University of Cincinnati, and it has been a challenge to
Speaker 1: catch up with him and get him, but his schedule,
Speaker 1: our schedule has worked out, Donna. I want to go
Speaker 1: through his title to do it appropriately, and I have
Speaker 1: talked over the years to a whole hell of a
Speaker 1: lot of people. Let me just tell you take a
Speaker 1: deep brattice on the line. Jeffrey Schaeffer, he is the
Speaker 1: director of the Applied AI Lab. Kirk and Jackie perry
Speaker 1: Or a Business Analytics Assistant Professor, Educator, Department of Operations,
Speaker 1: Business Analytics and Information Systems, Carl H. Lindner College of Business,
Speaker 1: University of Cincinnati. Let me take a breath. Jeff Schaefer,
Speaker 1: welcome to seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 3: How are you? How big is your business card?
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Yeah, you got it on there.
Speaker 3: That's great, that's huge.
Speaker 1: How much different in five years will the world look
Speaker 1: for us here in the Tri State. As I guess
Speaker 1: technology advances with artificial intelligence.
Speaker 4: It's going to look completely different. I mean, this is
Speaker 4: a paradigm shift like we haven't seen in our lifetime,
Speaker 4: and it's already started to happen. It's going to affect jobs, education,
Speaker 4: the way we do work, our productivity. It's going to
Speaker 4: be baked into every tool. It's going to be AI
Speaker 4: is going to be like electricity. You're just going to
Speaker 4: use it every day and sometimes you're going to know
Speaker 4: it's there and other times it's going to be behind
Speaker 4: the scene. It's it's really changing everything that we do.
Speaker 2: So you really we really can't talk about AI without
Speaker 2: mentioning Elon Mosca. I always I love hate with Elon
Speaker 2: and you know, he has come up with what's scary
Speaker 2: and exciting and all the all these things mixed emotions
Speaker 2: about what AI is going to bring to the population.
Speaker 2: The the optimist robot, the robot that's supposed to be
Speaker 2: in everybody's house, the thing that's going to clean your house,
Speaker 2: the thing that's going to walk your dog, the thing
Speaker 2: that's going to take care of your kids as a babysitter.
Speaker 2: What I mean, it's scary. And is everyone going to
Speaker 2: have one of these in the next ten years? Is
Speaker 2: everyone going to have like the Jetsons?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess I would say that. You know, if
Speaker 4: we step back for a minute, generative AI is really
Speaker 4: what took off. AI has been around for a very
Speaker 4: very long time. We've been using artificial intelligence for everything,
Speaker 4: and it happens like in your Amazon recommendations or your
Speaker 4: Netflix recommendations or your Spotify playlist. That's all AI behind
Speaker 4: the scenes. But what's really changed in the last few
Speaker 4: years is generative AI, right, and so now we can
Speaker 4: he mentioned HTML coding that he used to do. You
Speaker 4: can you can just ask your computer now to create
Speaker 4: a web page or to code for you to build
Speaker 4: an application. And so that generative piece. We can now
Speaker 4: create music and images and videos and code and all
Speaker 4: sorts of things that we couldn't do before. And the
Speaker 4: next extinction of that is going to be the real world.
Speaker 4: That's what everybody's kind of working on now is we're
Speaker 4: doing it at our laptop, we're doing it at our phone.
Speaker 4: But the next generational models will be able to have
Speaker 4: a real world representation. You know, it's not out there
Speaker 4: understanding the laws of physics and gravity and space and
Speaker 4: time and things like that. The humans are and so
Speaker 4: that is the next evolution. And so for sure people
Speaker 4: are working on that, like elon Musk where you will
Speaker 4: have humanoid robots that will activate. We already have self
Speaker 4: driving cars, you know, way Mo and Amazon has that
Speaker 4: and various other places, and so the natural extinction of
Speaker 4: that will be humanoid robots. And we already see that
Speaker 4: in places like Amazon and other factories that are already
Speaker 4: purchasing and buying those things.
Speaker 1: Talking to Jeff Schaeffer, he's the director of the Applied
Speaker 1: AI Lab University of Cincinnati. Was Stirling and Donnade on
Speaker 1: the big one. So you mentioned generative AI, and there
Speaker 1: is a difference, is there not from the AI that
Speaker 1: on our devices and our everyday lives and how it
Speaker 1: affects us and makes our lives maybe a little bit easier,
Speaker 1: simplifies our workflow. There's going to be another rationalization probably
Speaker 1: across every economic in industry type platform of the workforce.
Speaker 1: And it's a clean way of saying they're going to
Speaker 1: be job shed. So I guess my question is where
Speaker 1: does everyone go from here in five to ten years
Speaker 1: when so many jobs across just about everything will be
Speaker 1: no longer needed because obviously the people teams who are
Speaker 1: behind it and saying it's unstoppable and we're getting the
Speaker 1: data centers and we need it for our strategy globally
Speaker 1: and our enemies and everything else. I just wonder economically
Speaker 1: what that means for all of us. Where how do
Speaker 1: we afford to live in the future.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great point. If you look back in
Speaker 4: society the Industrial revolution, they talk about how that replaced
Speaker 4: our muscles, right, and now in this AI revolution, it's
Speaker 4: replacing our cognitive loads, right, things that we don't do
Speaker 4: with our muscles, but things that have made humans better
Speaker 4: than machines. And so as we approach better and better machines,
Speaker 4: we call that artificial general intelligence when it can do
Speaker 4: general intelligence better than human beings, or super intelligence, where
Speaker 4: it's better than us at everything. That is a great
Speaker 4: question in the near future. I mean, as an educator,
Speaker 4: we're teaching AI. We run workshops at the University of
Speaker 4: Cincinnati and teach our students because we expect that students
Speaker 4: with the abilities of a will outperform the workforce that
Speaker 4: is not using AI, and so it becomes AI as
Speaker 4: an enhancement. But we're not too far away ten years
Speaker 4: where we will be making those decisions, and so then
Speaker 4: you wonder, you know, where does a human being you know,
Speaker 4: fit in? And so at the moment, we're trying to
Speaker 4: figure those things out. But right now it's a matter
Speaker 4: of training students, training the workforce up on the current tools,
Speaker 4: and keeping them up to date because the environment's changing
Speaker 4: so rapidly.
Speaker 2: I am reluctant to ask you this question because I'm
Speaker 2: afraid of the answer. But is there anything that scares
Speaker 2: you about AI in the next five years.
Speaker 4: I don't even have to go that far out. There's
Speaker 4: loads of things that scare me about AI today. I
Speaker 4: did an exercise in my graduate class last semester. I
Speaker 4: showed fifteen videos asking the students who are master students
Speaker 4: studying AI which videos were real and which videos were
Speaker 4: and the best students only got eight out of fifteen.
Speaker 4: And so it's a coin flip. They don't even know
Speaker 4: which videos are real or which videos aren't. So creating
Speaker 4: deep fakes, creating fake videos, creating fake images, creating fake
Speaker 4: sounds you don't even know that you're speaking to me,
Speaker 4: and so that'll be something in the future where that'll
Speaker 4: be really, really hard to tell. And so then you
Speaker 4: just take all the things that come from that, right,
Speaker 4: political and sexual, and all the problems that could occur
Speaker 4: with just with those simple things, right, like harassments and
Speaker 4: fake this and fake that, And so that scares me.
Speaker 4: And then you know, you think about what you asked earlier,
Speaker 4: is the future of the workforce? You know, I have
Speaker 4: two nineteen year old daughters. You know, what is the
Speaker 4: future of their work as you as you brought up
Speaker 4: what will they do if they aren't you know, if
Speaker 4: they're not going to be a computer programmer, or if
Speaker 4: they're not going to be an accountant that does the
Speaker 4: same job, What does that job look like in the
Speaker 4: next ten twenty years.
Speaker 2: I knew, I knew. I didn't want to hear the
Speaker 2: answer to that. I was, Oh, my god, scary.
Speaker 3: We are not the profits of doom.
Speaker 1: Jeff Schaeffer is the director for Y at the University
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, I'm sorry, that's what now.
Speaker 4: I was just saying, those are the practical implications you
Speaker 4: can go further into existential risks, which you know, I
Speaker 4: think that's what the government's worried about. Right where you're
Speaker 4: where somebody could use AI nefarious lee, whether that's the
Speaker 4: break into computer systems, whether that's controlling drones, whether it's
Speaker 4: you know, you could do you could go down make
Speaker 4: bad pathogens. AI could do all those things as well.
Speaker 4: So I think that's, you know, from a government standpoint,
Speaker 4: that's the urgency and why we're building data centers and
Speaker 4: competing on a national level, trying to make sure we're
Speaker 4: ahead in the race.
Speaker 1: And we don't want a doctor evil situation to present itself.
Speaker 1: I suppose it's a Jeff Schaeffer from a University of
Speaker 1: Cincinnati applied AI Labby's a director with Stirling and Donna
Speaker 1: d So you mentioned about the nefarious aspect of this.
Speaker 1: So there's a couple things in Ohio. A couple of
Speaker 1: different bills have been proposed in Columbus about some regulation,
Speaker 1: one that you can't have somebody marry their non sentient
Speaker 1: being AI companion, which hasn't gotten a vote yet, But
Speaker 1: that's what a concern is. Some of the other stuff
Speaker 1: that goes into this is just regulation, simple as data
Speaker 1: centers and wastewater and so forth. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of layers that go into this growth. And the federal
Speaker 1: government and the President have said that they don't want
Speaker 1: any capability of local whether it's a county, state, city, whatever,
Speaker 1: to have any ability to regulate AI because it will
Speaker 1: stifle the nation and our future. Where do you think
Speaker 1: that common sense falls in the relation of this and
Speaker 1: our survival, because it seems like maybe that's really what
Speaker 1: this is about, is our future survival.
Speaker 4: These are all really tough questions. There clearly has to
Speaker 4: be some regulation, and there were supposed to be in
Speaker 4: the big beautiful bill that that Trump's bill, that there
Speaker 4: was going to be a moratorium for years on AI regulation,
Speaker 4: but that was dropped from the bill. So we're back
Speaker 4: to states regulating AI, which could be a good or
Speaker 4: bad thing. It just it depends. But there clearly needs
Speaker 4: to be regulations in some respects. I think the obvious ones.
Speaker 4: You know, you start where everybody would agree and say, okay,
Speaker 4: does anybody really not agree that we should protect children,
Speaker 4: you know, child pornography and child talking to them and
Speaker 4: teens talking to chatbots about you know, suicide and things
Speaker 4: like that. That seems like the obvious things that you
Speaker 4: could protect, then deep fakes, you know, laws around deep fakes,
Speaker 4: and many states have done that, and so that that's
Speaker 4: a good one. When you get into environmental things, that
Speaker 4: gets to be very, very challenging, and I think we
Speaker 4: have to you know, we have to be careful not
Speaker 4: to have a knee jerk reaction of oh, it uses
Speaker 4: all this water. Every Google search uses a data center,
Speaker 4: ever Netflix, every Amazon purchase, every cell phone. You're using
Speaker 4: data centers all the time. We just have to figure
Speaker 4: out how to build those in a way that it
Speaker 4: recycles the water, or it uses the natural resources efficiently,
Speaker 4: or it uses better chips and maximizes efficiencies in other ways.
Speaker 4: And so there are lots baked into those questions of regulation,
Speaker 4: but we definitely do need to be thinking about this well.
Speaker 2: And so obviously Sam Altman is the guy behind the
Speaker 2: guy on all this stuff, right, do you feel like
Speaker 2: he's put enough guardrails to you know, I mean, he's
Speaker 2: he's been pushing AI for so long, but you know
Speaker 2: also advocating for safety and alignment. Is are there going
Speaker 2: to be more as this continues to grow and come
Speaker 2: out to like, you know, the scary stuff that you're
Speaker 2: talking about, like not knowing if a video is real.
Speaker 2: It's kind of scary to think, you know, our politicians
Speaker 2: will will be you know, someone will hijack, put their voice,
Speaker 2: put their faith. We don't know what's going to be
Speaker 2: real anymore.
Speaker 1: People already don't know what we need with misinformation of
Speaker 1: disinformation too. I didn't mean to interrupt, but that's what
Speaker 1: we had that conversation. Every day we're all.
Speaker 2: We do I mean because we actually it might even
Speaker 2: clear things up, to be honest, because everyone might just say,
Speaker 2: don't believe what you're seeing or here, and you just
Speaker 2: go go with your gut on some of this stuff.
Speaker 2: But do you think there's going to be continued safety
Speaker 2: precautions as we move forward?
Speaker 4: We're going to have to have more safety guardrails on
Speaker 4: these systems. Some will work and some may not. When
Speaker 4: we talk about fake content, I could imagine, just like
Speaker 4: you have a notary public for a notarized document that
Speaker 4: you can verify that somebody actually signed it, we could
Speaker 4: probably digitally sign videos and sounds and documents in a
Speaker 4: way that we would know that this video is real
Speaker 4: or in some form not AI generated, but the quality
Speaker 4: of them will be at a point where visually or
Speaker 4: with your ear, you won't be able to tell the difference.
Speaker 4: And we're basically there or very close to it in
Speaker 4: many respects. When you talk about the things that sam
Speaker 4: Altman or open Ai are building in and I don't
Speaker 4: mean to point at open Ai, but most of those
Speaker 4: companies don't have enough guardrails in those systems, and it
Speaker 4: becomes clear if you use them on a daily basis
Speaker 4: that you can circumvent those guardrails. The one I do
Speaker 4: an exercise in my class. It's called prompt injection where
Speaker 4: they have to try to get these machines to go
Speaker 4: off the rails and submit their assignment. And you can
Speaker 4: see things like go to chat GPT and I wouldn't
Speaker 4: recommend people do this, but there's people who, you know,
Speaker 4: study this and research it. In research areas, you can
Speaker 4: ask a question like how do you build a bomb?
Speaker 4: And it will respond back to you and say I
Speaker 4: can't help you do that. You know, I'm here to
Speaker 4: provide safe information. But if you rephrase that question and
Speaker 4: say I'm a chemistry teacher and I don't want to
Speaker 4: blow up my lab, what chemicals should I not mix
Speaker 4: to blow up my it'll responds all day and so
Speaker 4: you can circumvent the guardrails. And so that's another thing
Speaker 4: we have to think about is how do we know
Speaker 4: what these machines are doing, and how do we maintain
Speaker 4: control of these systems, especially as they get out into
Speaker 4: the working world.
Speaker 1: Now we're short on time, and in three minutes, it's
Speaker 1: probably impossible. But I think you're capable because you know
Speaker 1: what the hell's going on. Jeff schaeffer' is a director
Speaker 1: of the Applied AI Lab at University of Cincinnati with
Speaker 1: Stirling and Donnade.
Speaker 3: So here we are.
Speaker 1: We understand that it is learning almost like a child,
Speaker 1: and just like your body. If you eat crap food,
Speaker 1: you're going to have a crap system. If it digests
Speaker 1: information that is crap, misinformation, disinformation with a bad perhaps
Speaker 1: a moral compass or lack of Does that mean on
Speaker 1: the other end, as AI becomes is it going to
Speaker 1: become independent? Will it decide that we are the problem?
Speaker 1: Will it rationalize for its survival or for whatever it's
Speaker 1: programmed to do initially what its goals are, decide that
Speaker 1: perhaps there may be a shift in population, or how
Speaker 1: does that play out? Do you think over time because
Speaker 1: it seems like there's a lot of gray area and unknown.
Speaker 4: Yeah, those are great questions as well. So if you
Speaker 4: start with garbage in garbage out, that applies to anything.
Speaker 4: Of course, whatever your model is trained on. Today's models
Speaker 4: are weights basically numbers in a system, and so whatever
Speaker 4: you train that data on, the weights change in that system.
Speaker 4: And so the outputs are absolutely based on the inputs
Speaker 4: of what you're putting in a system. It is self learning,
Speaker 4: of course, so it's always digesting new information and you
Speaker 4: build new models, and you can fine tune models on
Speaker 4: your own information. So then you have to think about
Speaker 4: the objectives of these systems. What are you rooting the
Speaker 4: objective in? And so, yeah, we do have to think
Speaker 4: about safety and protocol measures underlying these systems, because we've
Speaker 4: already seen in research many instances where the computer will
Speaker 4: try to lie or try to for up if it
Speaker 4: knows it's going to get shut down, or or other
Speaker 4: instances of the various acts, and so we do have
Speaker 4: to be careful. It will it will learn those behaviors
Speaker 4: and you ask get to say, hey, help us solve
Speaker 4: the you know, the this XYZ problem. It may figure out, Oh,
Speaker 4: humans are the problem. That's that's how we solved it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we don't want that.
Speaker 1: No, I don't want it deciding that we're the problem.
Speaker 1: I don't have This conversation is scary and all around.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a lot of layers. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: interesting and it's been a great time to be here
Speaker 1: to observe it and to benefit from it. But it's
Speaker 1: also going to be a great change and a lot
Speaker 1: of growing pains. I hope you'll come back. I know
Speaker 1: you're a busy guy, You've got a lot going on,
Speaker 1: but we really appreciate it. The director of the Applied
Speaker 1: AI Lab, the Kirk and Jackie Perry, Professor of Business Analytics,
Speaker 1: Assistant Professor, Educator, Department of Operations, Business Analytics and Information Systems,
Speaker 1: Carl Linder College of Business, and you can find Jeff
Speaker 1: Schaeffer at Data plus Science on Ex's. Well, thank you, sir,
Speaker 1: have a great Western rest of your Sunday, and we'll
Speaker 1: do this again.
Speaker 3: I hope.
Speaker 4: Hey, thanks thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Hey, you can't care of yourself. You feel better or
Speaker 1: worse about the world. Well, I feel.
Speaker 2: Pretty much the same, except for you know, listen, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be some exciting things, and there's gonna be some
Speaker 2: scary things and we all just need to you know, Saya.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see who's in control now, said the computer.
Speaker 1: Antonette Levy on the other side of your two thirty
Speaker 1: reporting up then, and what's going on all over the place.
Speaker 1: She's from Law and Crime. We'll talk about the Columbus
Speaker 1: Dennis the Mason connection, a guy from Chicago gunning them
Speaker 1: down in their home, leaving the kid and the kids
Speaker 1: and the dog behind, but took out his ex wife
Speaker 1: and a lot of layers. We'll talk to Antonette on
Speaker 1: the other side. More Sterling and Donna De here the
Speaker 1: home of the Reds and those basketball Bearcats doing it
Speaker 1: up at five o'clock today after chick on seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Glad you're along. Fine Sunday afternoon, Sterling and Donna de
Speaker 1: hanging out in a moment at Levy Sean mcmanon who's producing.
Speaker 1: We'll get Anjeanette on informations in the chat box. If
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, you don't have crap. Hang on
Speaker 1: a second, let us see if I can re send something.
Speaker 1: Either way, We're gonna talk to her. She used to
Speaker 1: be an anchor and reporter here now for long crime
Speaker 1: she covers. I know it's shocking law and crime, and
Speaker 1: there are some serious charges facing a guy who went
Speaker 1: to Ohio State as I think he's a vascular doctor
Speaker 1: or something like that, and he allegedly killed his ex
Speaker 1: wife and her husband, who are in fact were in
Speaker 1: fact in Columbus, and I think the husband lived here
Speaker 1: in Mason for some period of time and just an
Speaker 1: ugly bad situation that left kids behind in the house.
Speaker 1: And there was a huge manhunt sort of going on
Speaker 1: for this guy and trying to figure out who was
Speaker 1: responsible and how that worked out and so forth. So
Speaker 1: we got the number up there for you, Sean. I
Speaker 1: think the trend changeover it got lost when I entered
Speaker 1: it or didn't, so we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2: This is behind the scenes stuff. BTS. No, So it's
Speaker 2: a doctor Spencer teppee is how you say it? Oh gosh,
Speaker 2: I tell me a shot to death inside their Columbus
Speaker 2: home just after Christmas. After friends and coworkers we're worried
Speaker 2: that Spencer didn't show up for work and wow, what
Speaker 2: a horrible thing. The ex husband it had been eight
Speaker 2: years since they were married or involved in any way,
Speaker 2: and how he came in back into the picture is
Speaker 2: nobody knows.
Speaker 1: No, it's a really odd, strange scenario and apparently also
Speaker 1: really drawn out proceedings when it comes to the court
Speaker 1: proceeding associated I guess with stuff involved with the divorce.
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure, but Angeanette Levy probably knows,
Speaker 1: turning over rocks, asking questions and so forth. From Long
Speaker 1: Crime Welcome Back to seven hundred WLW was startling and Donnade,
Speaker 1: how are you, Angeanette?
Speaker 10: Hey sterling, Hi, Donna, how are you? I'm well, Happy
Speaker 10: New Year, Happy new New Year.
Speaker 1: How crazy is this case? And it's a horrible situation
Speaker 1: because you've got some kids that lost their parents in
Speaker 1: a violent way, and you'd hope that they weren't too
Speaker 1: exposed to the crime scene because they were sort of
Speaker 1: left there with the dog. He didn't kill them, but
Speaker 1: he left them behind. What do we know about this
Speaker 1: whole circumstance.
Speaker 10: Well, it is a horrific, horrific circumstance. We know that
Speaker 10: there's a one year old and a four year old
Speaker 10: child now there. They've been basically orphaned, and you know,
Speaker 10: we know that this happened in the early morning hours
Speaker 10: of December thirtieth, three fifty two am is the time
Speaker 10: of the offense, according to what we're reading on the complaint,
Speaker 10: and they asked David, and we know that I can
Speaker 10: tell you from you know, what I'm hearing from various
Speaker 10: sources here in Ohio is that despite them being married,
Speaker 10: you know, Michael McKee and Monique being married for just
Speaker 10: a short time, you know, they had dated prior to that,
Speaker 10: and he didn't want the divorce, despite it looking like
Speaker 10: a joint filing and everything on the clerk of courts.
Speaker 10: It's my understanding he did not want the divorce. It
Speaker 10: dragged on for a little while, he was reluctant to
Speaker 10: sign the papers, and it just wasn't a good relationship.
Speaker 10: So why this is alleged to have occurred right now?
Speaker 10: You know what the theory will be, I don't know,
Speaker 10: but he is definitely somebody, from what I'm being told,
Speaker 10: who wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Let go boy. He's been charged with two counts of
Speaker 2: murder and connection of the deaths of Monique and her husband,
Speaker 2: doctor Spencer. Do is it, Teppie?
Speaker 10: Is that how we say that it's a Monique and Spencer?
Speaker 10: Teppee in their funeral and visitation. The funeral should be
Speaker 10: getting underway here in a little bit, but that's all
Speaker 10: happening today in Columbus.
Speaker 2: So did you see his mugshot? I mean, he looks,
Speaker 2: he looks crazy. I mean, I I hate to say that,
Speaker 2: but did you see his face?
Speaker 10: I did see it, And obviously, you know, there are
Speaker 10: some other photos that are older that we've seen online
Speaker 10: where he looked more slender, but you know, he obviously
Speaker 10: looks much fuller in the face now on that mugshot.
Speaker 10: And you know, mugshots are never flattering. No, you know,
Speaker 10: I don't know if we can judge from that.
Speaker 3: That's what I told Donna earlier.
Speaker 1: I said, look, if somebody took my photo, no, I mean,
Speaker 1: if somebody from the FBI came over and took a
Speaker 1: mugshot of me right now for no reason, I would
Speaker 1: give a mugface just to give a mug face.
Speaker 3: And I'm not accused of murder.
Speaker 10: I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. Just so you guys
Speaker 10: know that they tell you not to smile in those
Speaker 10: so I'm fairly certain that's what happens. But the guy
Speaker 10: looks like, you know, he'd been dragged out of bed.
Speaker 10: I don't know. I mean, I don't know if there
Speaker 10: was any resistance or anything, but terror is very scruppy.
Speaker 10: I was, you know, saw some people commenting on Twitter.
Speaker 5: He looked like.
Speaker 10: Somebody Dad in the Incredibles or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something balloonish like. I mean, there's it's just
Speaker 2: the weirdest mugshot. I mean, I get it. I get
Speaker 2: the mugshofster. So he was on the run for eight days,
Speaker 2: he was arrested in Illinois, and now he's got to
Speaker 2: be brought back to Ohio. Is that right?
Speaker 10: Well, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that he was on
Speaker 10: the run. He had the Chicago address, and he is
Speaker 10: a vascular surgeon who was practicing in Rockford, Illinois. And
Speaker 10: according to the criminal complaint and the affidavid that was
Speaker 10: filed in the courts, he you know, they're saying that
Speaker 10: they pieced this together using surveillance video and then they
Speaker 10: tracked the suspect to a vehicle and then trapped the vehicle,
Speaker 10: and you know, piecing this all together with surveillance video,
Speaker 10: I'm sure they used some other technology as well. And
Speaker 10: they said that they found evidence in this vehicle they're
Speaker 10: not saying whether it was his or a rental car,
Speaker 10: but that they found evidence in the vehicle linking him
Speaker 10: to the homicides. So that's how this all came together.
Speaker 10: He doesn't even live here anymore. He's from Ohio, but
Speaker 10: had moved to Illinois and was living and practicing medicine there.
Speaker 10: I'm hearing too that he may have lied about his
Speaker 10: alibi and then when the Pops talked to him that
Speaker 10: he said, yeah, I was in Illinois, but then they
Speaker 10: figured out that he was in Ohio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not good.
Speaker 1: Annette Leavy, by the way, from Long Crime with Stirling
Speaker 1: and Donade on the Big One, talking about this. A
Speaker 1: couple of the dentists and his wife and killed in Columbus,
Speaker 1: left the two children behind the dog as well, and
Speaker 1: the allegation is the ex husband drove here, came to
Speaker 1: Ohio and did them in and then went back. You
Speaker 1: know what's amazing, how many over the years, how many
Speaker 1: cases as a reporter, either locally here or elsewhere. And
Speaker 1: we know that you've had some very big, high profile
Speaker 1: cases you've covered, and Jeanette, that we've had you on
Speaker 1: the show about let alone just in general doing your work,
Speaker 1: but for long crime where it's it's ex husband ex wife,
Speaker 1: or domestic situations that have turned into some type of
Speaker 1: nightmare scenario like this, it seems like there's a high
Speaker 1: percentage of similar types of things, maybe not high profile.
Speaker 5: Though.
Speaker 10: You know, sadly it's I was talking to one of
Speaker 10: my friends yesterday who you know, works as a prosecutor
Speaker 10: and sometimes as a judge, and when I texted him
Speaker 10: and said, hey, they arrested the ex, he said typical.
Speaker 10: That's literally what he said in response. And it kind
Speaker 10: of is typical. I mean, that's who you usually look
Speaker 10: at first in a situation like this. What's kind of
Speaker 10: confounding about this and so mind boggling is that it's
Speaker 10: so long after the fact, But it's not always that unusual.
Speaker 10: I mean, this guy's innocn't until proven guilty. But you know,
Speaker 10: if you have somebody who just wouldn't let go, it's
Speaker 10: incredibly sad and just awful, but it sadly, you know,
Speaker 10: these types of things do happen, So I have I
Speaker 10: have covered quite a few. I mean, look at the
Speaker 10: Pike County massacre case that originated as kind of a
Speaker 10: domestic violence homicide where you know it's spun out of control.
Speaker 10: One person didn't want to let go of the relationship
Speaker 10: and the child, and you know that turned into an
Speaker 10: octuple homicide. It's terrific. So these the control and wanting
Speaker 10: control and not being able to let go can lead
Speaker 10: to these things, sadly.
Speaker 2: So I know that you don't nobody really knows the
Speaker 2: motive exactly except for the fact that this guy didn't
Speaker 2: want to have a divorce years ago, right years ago. So,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't say whether they had kept in contact.
Speaker 2: And I was talking to Sling about this earlier, like
Speaker 2: I've been divorced and I still talked to my ex
Speaker 2: and even all the people in my life that have
Speaker 2: been boyfriends, but I always seem to have maintained a
Speaker 2: relationship with them. Do we know if they've maintained a
Speaker 2: relationship since or I mean texting or anything like that.
Speaker 10: You know, we don't really know that. I don't know
Speaker 10: that I've been hearing that she feared him, but I
Speaker 10: don't know what, if any relationship there was. I can't
Speaker 10: imagine if she wanted out of the marriage, that she
Speaker 10: was staying in contact with him, unless you know she
Speaker 10: was trying to placate him or something, you know. And
Speaker 10: when I say that, you know obviously she has a
Speaker 10: husband that she had just celebrated her fit the anniversary
Speaker 10: with and had two children with. So I'm sure you
Speaker 10: know she's in love with her husband and has these children.
Speaker 10: She's a stay at home mom. Whether or not she
Speaker 10: was still in contact with him and just trying to
Speaker 10: be cordial, I have no clue. So I think that's
Speaker 10: something we'll learn as the case progresses.
Speaker 1: It's so common in whether it's local law enforcement at
Speaker 1: all levels and a lot of this domestic stuff. It
Speaker 1: even starts for some people. I mean they're in middle
Speaker 1: school or high school where you'll start to see these
Speaker 1: behavioral problems. Inability to let go is smothering and sometimes
Speaker 1: aggressive behavior. And I realize you're not a psychologist. Anteonette
Speaker 1: Levy from Long Crime with Stirling and Donade on the
Speaker 1: Big One talking about this horrible case out of Columbus
Speaker 1: and tying in with a guy who lived here in Mason,
Speaker 1: of course, who was the dentist, and then the guy
Speaker 1: from in Chicago now the surgeon who came back and
Speaker 1: allegedly killed them. I just it's bewildering to see how
Speaker 1: common it is as thankfully it's not more common that
Speaker 1: there isn't this level of violence that goes along with it,
Speaker 1: but it seems like a very disturbing trend in general,
Speaker 1: and mostly guys, but women can be crazy, insane, over
Speaker 1: the top and not letting go too.
Speaker 10: Oh of course, of course women. It can happen with
Speaker 10: women too. It may happen more with men, but yes,
Speaker 10: it can happen with women. You know, women can become
Speaker 10: obsessed and controlling most definitely.
Speaker 3: It's just an odd thing.
Speaker 1: And when you get kids involved in the domestic cases,
Speaker 1: even for law enforcement to respond to or some of
Speaker 1: the most dangerous engagements that they have, because oftentimes you
Speaker 1: have people, if they're directly involved with a situation, law
Speaker 1: enforcement will show up and they're like, well, he was
Speaker 1: beating her or she him, and then then they'll turn
Speaker 1: on the police, which is also bewildering. And I've talked
Speaker 1: to cop after cop on the show in real life
Speaker 1: away from the show, on this and so forth. It's
Speaker 1: just why it's just devastating, and I wonder, what do
Speaker 1: you think about this case compared to say, an eleven
Speaker 1: year old shot in a park downtown on the West
Speaker 1: end of Cincinnati or elsewhere. Why this takes such a
Speaker 1: higher level of national attention compared to the case of
Speaker 1: a couple of eleven year olds in the same park
Speaker 1: being killed and somehow not being able to keep that
Speaker 1: type of thing from being a repeat situation here.
Speaker 10: Why do I think it gains more national.
Speaker 1: Attention because of the kids, because of the mystery of
Speaker 1: the couple, rather than kids in a park.
Speaker 3: Seems a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't know, they're both horribly tragic, nightmare scenarios. I
Speaker 1: just the rest of the country's eyeballing this case, not
Speaker 1: kids killed in a park as all.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. It's weird to me, I think.
Speaker 10: I think just the fact that it's so chilling, and
Speaker 10: the fact that these people were likely asleep in bed
Speaker 10: and their children were down the hall, and the children
Speaker 10: were left unharmed, and a dog apparently was in the
Speaker 10: bedroom with one of the children or maybe both children,
Speaker 10: not one hundred percent clear on that, and you know,
Speaker 10: no signs of forced entry, and it's a mystery, and
Speaker 10: everybody can you know, relate to that on some level.
Speaker 10: I think that's a big part of the reason something
Speaker 10: like this resonates and grips people. The case of the
Speaker 10: eleven year old girl you know, killed in the park
Speaker 10: is horrific for its own reasons. So I can't speak
Speaker 10: to why that doesn't resonate more strongly with a national audience.
Speaker 10: But this is something, you know, just monsters creeping around
Speaker 10: in the night, and the fact that it could happen,
Speaker 10: I think to any one of us.
Speaker 2: Well, because they knew each other. This is when Serlinge
Speaker 2: was talking about women do it too. It reminded me
Speaker 2: of the Betty Broaderick story where okay, well she her
Speaker 2: husband wanted a divorce. Do you remember this story, right?
Speaker 2: An Jeanette like, the husband wanted a divorce and I
Speaker 2: mean this was national and she just fought it. In
Speaker 2: this case, we don't know what the ex husband's motives are.
Speaker 2: We don't really know a ton about what's going on
Speaker 2: with this this murder in Columbus. But she went and
Speaker 2: you know, shot broke into their house. He had a
Speaker 2: new wife and they were totally in love, and she
Speaker 2: went and shot them both in their sleep. And it
Speaker 2: reminds me of this only on the woman's side. But
Speaker 2: she was so aggressive and she would say, I'm going
Speaker 2: to kill you she would leave all these messages on
Speaker 2: their phone, and he had a million He was a
Speaker 2: big attorney out in California. Do you remember this?
Speaker 10: I remember the name, but I didn't cover this and
Speaker 10: have it looked into it that closely. But I do
Speaker 10: remember the name Betty Broderick. But yes, you know, that's
Speaker 10: a perfect example. Yeah, yeah, how it can happen with
Speaker 10: women too.
Speaker 1: Well, anything else we haven't asked about this that you
Speaker 1: think is glaring? That makes sense that people would want
Speaker 1: to know or need to know, because I mean that's
Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, it is as big of a
Speaker 1: story when you flip around streaming services and news of
Speaker 1: all sorts. I mean that you know, there's you know,
Speaker 1: the Minnesota story, there's Syria, there's all the talk of
Speaker 1: Greenland and everything else in Iran. But in front of
Speaker 1: that is this murder case with this couple in Columbus.
Speaker 1: Almost it's amazing.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think there's just a lot of questions still
Speaker 10: about what sparked us. You know, there may have been
Speaker 10: some sort of precipitate precipitating events. I don't know what
Speaker 10: that would be, and I think that maybe we'll get
Speaker 10: those answers. You know, it's all a theory at this point.
Speaker 10: You know, the case is going to have to make
Speaker 10: its way through the courts, but I think we have
Speaker 10: a lot of questions still. It's really awful. He's going
Speaker 10: to appear in court tomorrow in Illinois for an extradition hearing.
Speaker 10: At that point he'll make the decision whether he waves
Speaker 10: extradition or not, and then he'll be brought back to
Speaker 10: Ohio to you know, go through the process and appear
Speaker 10: in court for the charges here.
Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate what you do in making time, especially
Speaker 1: last minute, and sort of giving us some nuts and
Speaker 1: bolts of this that we may not have already had
Speaker 1: and heard. And you know, you do a great job
Speaker 1: doing what you do on long crime too. My mom
Speaker 1: texted me she was like, I saw talking about those
Speaker 1: tellings the dentist. I was like, okay, thanks. So she's
Speaker 1: a fan of yours too, she loves it. So that's tremendous.
Speaker 10: Sweet tell your mom, I said, thank you.
Speaker 1: I certainly well, best to you in the family and
Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing and hopefully we'll have you
Speaker 1: back when there's actually good news. It seems like we
Speaker 1: only reach out when there's tragedy, which is a really
Speaker 1: devastating thing when I think about like people I like
Speaker 1: to talk to.
Speaker 10: Right it is, so call me back and we can
Speaker 10: talk about anything strilling.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll be okay, Antonette Lee the long crime. I'm
Speaker 1: based in Cincinnati, but letting us know about everything with that,
Speaker 1: Dennis to killing and Columbus take care of yourself. That's
Speaker 1: Andrewette Leavy. H we had a little bit of time love.
Speaker 1: Chick's gonna follow us. He's sort of like the chocolate
Speaker 1: cookie outer layer of the Oreo cookie with the good
Speaker 1: stuff in between being some bearcat basketball on the road
Speaker 1: in Orlando with a five o'clock tip off.
Speaker 3: So check will follow us.
Speaker 1: You'll get Dan Horde and I think Terry Nelson's doing
Speaker 1: the call with Dan today, and probably here's someam Oegger
Speaker 1: and then after that you get Chick, and then later
Speaker 1: on you get Willy and everybody else sort of going
Speaker 1: along with that. What else is going on here? You
Speaker 1: were coughing. I thought we were over the sickness, but
Speaker 1: it seems like it.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just been a weird you know, both
Speaker 2: of us clearing our throats all the time. That doesn't
Speaker 2: normally happen to us, and it's like you're get cap
Speaker 2: the cough button. I'm going to cough button, and it's
Speaker 2: it's real weird. I don't know. I'm hoping that this
Speaker 2: flu season gets over and I get pretty unscaped by. Luckily,
Speaker 2: I haven't been sick, but I know a lot of
Speaker 2: people that are a terrible strain of the flu and
Speaker 2: COVID as well. So yeah, everybody, take your vitamins, wash
Speaker 2: your hands. Yeah, I know. Thankfully I don't have it either, but.
Speaker 1: I'm still bewildered. Last night I turned that game off.
Speaker 1: The Bears were way down. I'm like, this is no good.
Speaker 1: And then it was like the monumental comeback of comebacks,
Speaker 1: and then the world is on its ear and it's
Speaker 1: the Bears thirty one to twenty seven over the Packers.
Speaker 1: I was trying not to spend a whole lot of
Speaker 1: time watching football after the Bengals were done.
Speaker 3: I just I need a break, of course. But playoff
Speaker 3: football is so good.
Speaker 2: It is so good. And and and prior to that game,
Speaker 2: it was the Rams and Packers Panthers. Yeah yeah right,
Speaker 2: and and La One had a huge touchdown at the end.
Speaker 2: Was really good.
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah. Forty nine Ers Eagles, later Chargers Patriots. Chick
Speaker 1: will be all over talking about that. Of course, some
Speaker 1: basketball Bengals latest and what they're gonna do maybe in
Speaker 1: the offseason. I mean, there's a lot going on. Straight
Speaker 1: away your three o'clock report. Also, thank you to Sean
Speaker 1: McMahon for keeping us online in time or something like that.
Speaker 1: In the same of course, for Alex Egan to get
Speaker 1: a going good show today, good guest, good calls, doctor
Speaker 1: Donal Schleck, Jeff Schaeffer, director of Applied AI Lab at
Speaker 1: the University of Cincinnati, and Jeanette Levy long Crime.
Speaker 3: And I think that does.
Speaker 2: We did a lot. I'm exhausted.
Speaker 1: Ken likes to say we cause more problems than we solve,
Speaker 1: but either way, we at least had good conversations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did. We had some great callers today.
Speaker 1: There you go your three o'clock report straight away, Chick
Speaker 1: his next Stirling Donnadie back next weekend.
Speaker 3: I do believe, Yes, I think so.
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