WEBVTT - Sterling and Donna Sunday -- 1/11/26 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.600 In alex Egan producing Sandy Collins with news. 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:06.560 You know, we were here on Friday and it was 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:11.120 like sixty eight and this weather has been crazy. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:11.640 Pneumonia weather. 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:16.240 It's my grandma call hold out weather, whiplane, Yes, twenty 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.160 seven degrees right now according to my iPhone. 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:21.760 Is it not supposed to warm up again too sooner 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:23.840 than later or something? I mean, I wasn't trying to 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.160 pressure you. Look at you looking for the extended forecast. 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:29.040 I'm looking at the ninth first morning weather and you 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:31.320 may have already heard it. With Sandy close to fifty 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.440 Tuesday forties the start of the week. Today's just a 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.440 little chilli. It's not bad to come. I mean it 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:36.400 is January. 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:38.640 Yeah, I mean, you know this is the weather that 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.680 we expect in the Shri state in January. For sure. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.480 In wait eight minutes, it'll change and sooner than later 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.600 they'll be playing baseball, great American Ballpark, and life is 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.760 good and man lot going on. Doctor Donnad Schlake going 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.639 to join us after the twelve thirty report, we'll hear 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.680 the world is changing. There's a lot going on in Iran, 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:02.160 in Syria, in Minneapolis, protest across country about ice stuff. 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:03.760 Something about Greenland. 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.800 I've heard about that, something about that the easy way 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:08.720 or the hard way. I don't know what that means. 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.920 I've heard that in bad past relationships. So you did 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:13.200 that way of the hard way. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.520 You know, when you look at the footage of Minneapolis 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.640 and stuff like that, and the ice agents and the 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.320 clashing with protesters and things like that, it doesn't even 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.640 look like this country to me. It looks like I'm 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.920 watching something you know, foreign. 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:33.400 Yes, yeah, I mean, you know, it's challenging times, interesting times, 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.240 And we'll talk to doctor donas Schleheck about it. She 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.000 is a Cincinnati kid and she was the head of 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.920 political science at right State now professor Meredith, and she 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.800 spent about ten years in Minneapolis. I think she may 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:47.360 have gone to school there and she also did some 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.440 other stuff there. So we'll get into her head about that, 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.680 as well as everything else that's going on. There's a 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.200 lot of spinning plates at the moment. Yeah, I mean 0:01:54.320 --> 0:02:00.240 there's definitely not. There's there's plenty to talk about today. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.600 There's no shortage of topics, no to talk about today. 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:06.240 And I don't know what you were doing. I know 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.480 you've had a wild weekend, Donna. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.720 But I last night I was juggling on my own 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.120 stuff and we were texting back and forth. 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:15.760 I don't know if you call it. I can't even remember. 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:17.160 And it was one of them you're not getting back 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:19.200 to me or whatever the usual, and I'm like, look, 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.000 I'm wrangling cats, I'm trying to cook. 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:22.200 The dog's going crazy. 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.079 But I got a million on my plate. 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.320 Yeah, I'm trying to work it. And I nearly dropped 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.880 the phone in a skillet with sauce. Not good if that, 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.280 because I didn't have it on a speaker, And as 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.080 I was doing that, and then I had football on 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.440 as I was trying to crane my neck around to 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.560 watch the screen, and I'm like, well, clearly this game 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:43.520 is over. So I turned off the football. No, I 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.000 totally did. I am shocked you did that. 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.200 You're one of those fans I turn off football because 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.280 you think it's over. And then bam, both games. Like 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.200 we were at the hard Rock, a bunch of us, 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:56.919 and it was first time I've been to the hard 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.600 Rock in Cincinnati. It was actually very very fun. Yeah. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:06.440 The l A Rams What a game that was, I mean, 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:10.760 and then Bears and Packers. 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.800 Wow, and sent the packers pack and it was kind 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.280 of weird in Chicago. I mean, they're like Glee. I 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.799 guess Glee talk about a comeback. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:21.040 Yeah, and you. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.120 Heard ken Brew earlier. You're talking to what would the 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.360 Bengals do early? You know, so we'll figure out what 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.840 they do for the coming season. They've got work to do, 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:29.200 so it gets kind of odd. 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:30.040 You know. 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.680 The other thing that's going crazy right now, that's gotten 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.600 a bunch of attention, and I'm sort of surprised. I mean, 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.520 there's a connection with the guy. I think he's from Mason, 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.320 the dentist and his wife. He and her both murdered 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.520 in Columbus. We were talking about that last night. What 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:48.640 a crazy story. Yeah, and everybody apparently all over the country. 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:50.960 Anjeanette Levy was friend of the show. You used to 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.800 work in town as a reporter, anchor stup, but now 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.760 she does long crime. She was anchoring and covering a 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:01.160 lot of that as well. They arrested the husband. They've 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:02.640 been divorced for a long time. 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:07.440 Eight years they were divorced. And how how I mean 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.680 this story is going to continue to unfold, But why 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:11.880 don't you just explain what. 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.680 Happened since well, well I know that what happened is 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.920 is the allegation is apparently he came to Columbus and allegedly, 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.400 because he's been charged with their murders, he left the 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.400 kids in the in the either a dog or whatever 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:28.360 other pets unharmed, and then got out of town or 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:32.080 at least tried to escape and shot them. 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:32.640 And I don't know. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.719 It was contentious proceedings with the divorce, and it seemed 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.840 to drag on a long time because these people were married. 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.120 For you, they had kids and everything, right, It's just 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.839 odd and you hear about these stories and you constantly 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.119 talk about relationship stuff. You've got your relationship show, Donna. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:52.440 It is bewildering to think that something one would drag 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.680 on that long after you've gone on to the next thing. 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:57.680 And then whatever is the allegation is that he came 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:59.960 and killed her his ex and then you know her 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.320 current husband. What a just a nightmare scenario because you 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.560 think you're living your own idealic life and then something 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:07.720 from the past comes and get you. I would think 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.960 it'd be over by then and somebody would move on. 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.440 Yeah, I mean, so I was always I was talking 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.800 with my friend Dia last night about this case, and 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.960 I said, you know, I have remained friends with my 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.159 all my exes. Really we still text. I mean not 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.440 not on a daily basis by any means, but like 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:30.359 we keep in touch, and yeah, it's healthy and for 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.200 a relationship to be over for so long, and I 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:38.440 don't think they had kids, so with an eight year stretch, 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:45.240 she's remarried. Something there has to be something that happened 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:50.120 to bring him to Columbus and on her doorstep. 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:54.400 I mean, it's you know what I don't understand though, 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:59.520 is how anybody without knowing the psychology behind whatever he's 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:01.840 alleged have done. Because we don't need a lawsuit, right, 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.680 but just the thing where people can't let go or 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.599 are so bitter and vindictive either how it ended, or 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.039 giving up half or more than half, or or just 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.320 whatever it is where somebody slips and they decide, well, okay, 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.480 well I'll get you, and then somebody has oftentimes it's 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.440 murder suicide. But he just came took them, allegedly, and 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.600 it took their lives and then left. I just I mean, 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:30.480 I've been despondent, I've been upset, I've been emotionally devastated. 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:36.000 I've been financially wrecked and splits and everything else, and 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.400 I just can't imagine at some point where you just 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:43.360 can't turn the corner and carry on without doing something 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:45.400 like this. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.680 But the whole count has been paying attention to that. 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.680 Yeah, I mean, what an awful story. I mean, such 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:57.880 a cute young couple, you know, right after Christmas, between 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.320 Christmas and New Year's and I yeah, this guy is 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.440 now charged charged the ex is charged with the murder 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.640 of these two people, and he was arrested on Saturday, 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:13.720 January tenth. I mean, what can possess somebody to do that? Anyway, 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.960 Just like you said, you've been hurt, you've been upset, 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:17.760 You've had to deal with your own emotions and your 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.760 own feelings. We all do. There's nobody at the over 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.119 the age of probably fifteen, in this life that hasn't 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:30.080 had to deal with a breakup. And it's just awful. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.120 It's just absolutely awful. I don't care what the excuse 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.840 is that he had. You don't do that. I mean, 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.679 obviously it's just a devastating thing. But how they came 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:43.360 back into each other's lives, or how he decided to 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.320 come back into her life like that. It's just beyond me. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.280 It really is a difficult thing. Also to imagine how 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.240 the surviving members of the family extended that are going 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.720 to have to navigate that and at some point probably 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.600 have to explain to the children, hopefully they weren't able 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:01.120 to see anything too graphically disturbing, but have to explain 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:04.240 to them somehow where their parents went in the circumstance 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.680 around that, I mean, when they ask, or how it 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.560 comes up. I mean, it's just a lot of layers 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.720 of sadness that sort of go along with that. And 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:15.880 every day in the news there's all kinds of different 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.920 tragedy and horrible stuff from you know, the eleven year 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.360 old just a little over a week ago who was 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.680 gunned down in the playground, continuing to you know, investigate 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:28.760 that Cincinnati homicide and law enforcement and that family trying 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.680 to carry on in some fashion, and then a few 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.000 years earlier, another eleven year old there. I'm not trying 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:35.840 to be the prophet of doom. I'm just saying there's 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.520 a lot of this that's dealt with on a regular basis, 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.160 and here you'd think in a relationship situation you'd be 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.440 beyond it. But I guess the danger is always there. 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.559 It's just I think we're going to find out a 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.760 lot more about this story and it's going to be hard, 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:51.600 hard to come back from. 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:51.920 Yeah. 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.920 Absolutely. You know the other thing too. Bob Weir, co 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:58.080 founder Grateful Dead, seventy eight years old, passed away. He 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:02.680 had apparently beaten camp sir and going back to May, 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.199 had dealt with treatments and everything else, but had some 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:10.280 type of lingering, long term problem with his lung or 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:14.720 lungs that ended up apparently ending him. Is a word 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:18.040 of his passing came out yesterday, I guess is when 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.480 it was, which is is just devastating guitarist singer. I 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.720 mean you've probably seen him, I don't even know how 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.040 many times when when it was the Grateful Dead and 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.120 then with Dead and Company here in town, have. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:29.679 You seen I've never seen. 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.400 Yeah, Yeah, Dead and Company of course was a John 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.439 Mayer who's been with them and in a group of 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.040 touring artists of one type or another of band members, 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.160 et CETERA. Final show I think was in August. He 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:47.079 appeared with them in San Francisco, and I don't know 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:48.920 if they were wrapping up the tour, if it was 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.600 a one off show or whatever else. 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:51.880 I saw some video of that. 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.720 He sounded, you know, weak, voice wise, but was there 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.160 and seemed like he was getting it done. I don't 0:09:58.160 --> 0:09:59.760 know that anybody there thought that it was going to 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.240 be the last time that he'd be performing, let alone, 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:03.400 not with us, for very night. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:04.679 It's tough. 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:08.840 Seventy nine seventy eight. I mean, it doesn't even seem 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:10.120 old to me anymore. 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.160 Seventy eight, well Alex Egan was producing, would probably be 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:14.280 the difference. 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:16.960 Seven whatever. 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.679 But I mean, that's a window of time and it 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.080 does come quickly. But the thing is, it's pretty amazing 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.160 to me is that that music will live on forever 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.040 and always, and that's a pretty amazing footprint to leave 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:29.160 behind for a lot of people. 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.720 There's nobody liked the Grateful Dead. They really they were 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:37.160 pioneers way back when. And you know, I wished now 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:41.400 thinking about it, I've seen so many bands that I loved, 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.880 and I would have loved to have been been at 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:46.360 one Grateful Dead concert. 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.679 My guess is Dead and Company will continue on in 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.880 some fashion. Yeah, I would hope at some point. What 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.160 I can tell you it's more than just dirty, stinky, 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.520 you know, paturely wearing hippie chicks, although I like them 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.200 right right right, looking for a miracle and all what 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.240 I will tell you in short order. And this is 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.160 an odd store. I don't know if she'll call. She 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.320 often listens. Good friend of mine. Years ago, I took 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.640 her to her first dead show and we drove up 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.200 to Cleveland. This has been years ago, in the mid nineties, 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.880 mid late nineties. And then she just sort of disappeared 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.240 for a while. She went on the road in like 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.160 she became a dead end. Yes, she camped and traveled 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:24.360 all over the country. 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.040 That's what happens when you go to a dead show 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.040 is because you just kept mesmerized and you don't want 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.080 the party to end. That's what happens. 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.079 It's a different energy and a different vibe and a 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:37.400 great experience for her. And it was odd. It was like, 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.199 what have you been doing? She's like, well, I've been here, 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.520 there and everywhere. And I'm like, holy crap, what happened? 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:43.120 And she was like, what's your fault? 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:43.320 You know? 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:44.920 And I'm like, I don't know, I don't know if 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.559 I did that I didn't ever catch the hey, I'm 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.640 going to go on the road thing. But I was 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.000 always good for the you know, the magic of the 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.040 show and the music and everything and the. 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.760 But that's how it happens to a lot of people. 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:58.400 It does, and I know a whole lot of people 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.440 have reached out and talking about the too. Later on, 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.640 we'll also get into a little bit of I love 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.240 movies and I know you do too. We talked to 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.160 Kevin Carr Friday when we were in for Sloany and 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.960 aside the stuff that's new, the award shows, I'm always 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.600 sort of bogged because judging what the best in anything 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.240 is when it comes to artists subjective and challenging. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.680 Yeah, but you kind of have your favorite, I mean, 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.680 and there's there's quite a few that are gonna be up. 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.320 The Golden Globes is what we're talking to talking about, 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.600 is on tonight, Yeah, and it's gonna be you know, 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.600 I don't know what kind of an audience there is 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.720 for award shows anymore, myself included. I used to love 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.120 the Grammys, the Golden Globes and the Oscars. I've been 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:47.440 seen those are my top favorite. I'ven't seen the Grammys 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.360 in a while. I do want to watch the Golden 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.560 Globes tonight. There's a ton of football on thom And 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.920 Oh yeah, and the football games are going to be 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:56.880 absolutely off the charts. Good. 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.280 Yeah, I mean, you've got Bill's Jags later forty nine, Hers, 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:04.080 Eagles and Chargers and Patriots. Somehow Patriots got back into 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.360 the playoffs as well, and we'll tune you up for 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.160 that a little bit later too. The award show stuff 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:14.320 is always interesting one aside from the it's hard to 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.280 you know, your favorites are my favorites compared to the best. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.880 I always like at least the nomination list, so I 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.240 know that it must be extraordinary work that people have 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.600 put out that I need to investigate and check out 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:28.679 if I've missed it already. In that fashion, the Golden Globes, though, 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.839 at least it's not so buttoned down, you know, it's 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:35.800 more relaxed. They're drunk, probably high, and they're goofing off. 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.920 Dicky Glazier is hosting, and she's quite funny. She was 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:43.040 probably the funniest one at the Tom Brady Roast. She 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.800 was there. But she's she's gonna probably do a good 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.240 jobs there's a ton to laugh at, at least in 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:54.440 this country right now, you know, pick fun at, gotta laugh. Yeah, 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:59.760 I mean, I do think the two big contenders tonight 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:07.240 obviously are going to be Leonardo DiCaprio and Timothy Shallo May, right, 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.040 and those those are the two who's going to win 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:11.280 Best Actor. 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.280 I always get confused with you. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.800 I mentioned this Friday, Shallo May and the guy from 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:16.880 the Bear TV show. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:17.960 I know you said that. 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:18.480 I don't know. 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.720 There's some random dudes. I don't know. They don't seem 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.920 they both do good work. But I honestly, like side 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.240 by side, I would not have any idea which one 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.560 was which. Which is sad but true. 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.280 What's going on with your voice over there? In mind too? 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.400 Like what it's the weather. Let's blame it on the 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.040 weather because it's been so crazy. 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.320 That's it. It's true. I'm staying keeping a distance. I'm clean, 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:45.000 I've been sanitized, martinized. Everything is good. I have no fever, 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:49.040 no worries. Everything is great. Although there is a lot 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.200 of flu out there. Yeah, you know, a lot of 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:52.080 people kind of it. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.160 By the way, Oh gosh, I have friends that have it. 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:58.520 By the way, the eighty third annual eighty third Annual 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.720 Golden Globes are on tonight eight o'clock CBS. 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.320 Yeah, there you go, all right, So straight away your 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.960 twelve thirty reports. Sandy Collins has an update on what's 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:09.720 going on around planet Earth. It's busy, including stuff here 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.280 in the Tri State. Doctor Donna Schleck will join us. 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.480 She's the former head of political science at right State 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.560 now professor Mereda. We'll get the latest on what's going 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.720 on with protest against ice and engagements with population here Stateside, 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.000 all over the country, Minneapolis as well. And then of course, 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.520 you know, as you mentioned, shopping for Greenland. We've got 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.400 Venezuela on the table. We're getting there a while apparently. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:38.120 And what else the Syria. We did some bombing in 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:42.120 Syria yesterday and overnight, right, so that's happening. She may 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.920 have some stuff on that. And did I mention Iran 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.720 where the protests just keep growing and in the midst 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.040 of the shaking of the tree and the president saying 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:53.000 we've got your back, perhaps there is another spring of 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.560 sorts in the Middle East and maybe people will get 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.440 a little taste of freedom in Iran again. So we'll see, 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.600 we'll pick her about all that and more coming up 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.760 straight away your twelve thirty report. She's donnade I'm Sterling 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:09.680 in this as seven hundred WLW an international World Affairs 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:10.480 and Politics. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:11.080 How are you at? 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:15.520 Sterling and donnade back seven hundred WLW for your Sunday Afternoon. 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.160 Former had a political science at Wright State, now professor 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.680 of Merida. It's spent about ten years in Minneapolis. Believing 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:23.800 she may have gone to school there. I may have 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.120 done some work there. I know she vacationed there recently 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:27.880 because we talked to her and there were mosquitos the 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.200 size of small cars. 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.560 In the woods. Doctor Dona Schlecheck. 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.600 Welcome back to seven hundred WLW with Sterling and Donnadee. 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:41.040 How's everything, Hi, Sterling, Hello Donna, Spinning plates and circuses. Yes, 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.520 I think we've all bought a ticket. We have. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.640 I know I didn't ask you specifically about Iran and 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.640 Syria since we pinged a text scheduling you today. But 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.000 before we get to Minnesota, before we get to the 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.840 ice protest across the country and everything else, what I 0:16:55.840 --> 0:17:00.200 would like to know is Iran this is good for 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.680 the world, perhaps in our involvement in the president saying 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.840 that he would support the protesters in this situation as 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.719 things continue to escalate in that situation. And we can 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.560 also mention Syria too, We did some bombing there in 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.720 the last twenty four hours. Anywhere you want to go, 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:15.600 it's your choice. 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:21.960 It is time to return our attention to the Middle East, 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.439 and on the good news on hamas Is even saying 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:30.680 that when the next phase starts, they're dismantling their governance apparatus, 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:34.920 so good news. The strikes in Syria were clearly defined 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:39.879 to be punitive against ISIS multiple targets across Syria. The 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.320 subtle signals seemed to be that there may have been 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:48.000 consultation with Syria because the new government there is trying 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.120 to get control of the country and ISIS is their 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:56.720 biggest enemy. So this is actually the sideways version of 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:01.240 trying to help the new government of Syria after offsad regimes, 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:05.879 brutal treatment, to get their country back together again. And 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.800 it's obviously the Israelis will be involved as well. There's 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.000 talk about settling some of their border disputes. It's a 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.720 mixed picture. But the two Americans killed there a couple 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:20.600 of weeks ago were Hawkeye National Guardsmen, and so we 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.840 named the strike the retaliatory strike against them. The bigger 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:30.000 picture that you mentioned, though, what's happening in Iran? Have people? Finally, 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:36.760 it's interesting like Venezuela, oil, wealthy country, big population, and 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:44.520 yet horrendous economic circumstances, inflation, terrible cost of living, sanctions, 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:49.160 more sanctions, more sanctions, and yet with the means there 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.600 to do well by their people. What happens when a 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.400 third of your people have to leave the country because 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:59.640 of the utter, incredibly bad mismanagement of the economy. That's 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:04.879 what in Venezuela, That is the migration component. Link to 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:08.639 our grievances with Venezuela. But you know, we also have 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:13.679 a very large Iranian expact community in California in particular, 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.800 which is where the grandson of the Shaw lives and 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.160 is now offering to come back and help a transition 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:24.520 to democracy in Iran. These are some of the strangest 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:28.320 plates I've seen spinning in a long long time. That 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.840 was the Shaw of Iran that we allowed to come 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:34.600 here when he fled his country under Jimmy Carter to 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.560 receive health treatment. But that's what triggered the hostage crisis 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:43.480 in nineteen seventy nine. So these things are so interconnected. 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.800 How do we help the people of Iran? I don't know. 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.919 I think certainly we have a better picture in terms 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:53.160 of Venezuela. Try to put the wealth of the country 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.639 back to serving the people of Venezuela. 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:57.520 I don't know. 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:59.520 I have a question. What do you do if you're 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:03.000 in oilzec and President Trump would like you to invest 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.160 tens of billions that's with a B as in billions 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:10.640 of dollars to rebuild your oil infrastructure in a country 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:14.679 as unstable and uncertain as Venezuela. That has to be 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:20.000 President Trump has recently been consulting with the execs of Conocomobile, Exon, 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:25.399 Exon Mobil, excuse me, Conco, Phillips, and Chevron. He wants 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.800 them to take the lead in rebuilding the infrastructure. How 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:31.760 is your business? Do you make a massive investment in 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:35.240 a country where there is no law, there is no order? 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:36.600 Question? 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.120 We have to go back to those first questions. 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:41.960 Yes, I'm just saying we have to have policing of 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.320 some sort on the ground in that situation. Exon, for instance, 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.240 mentioned in that public hearing that usually that type of 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:51.160 conversation I think is private. So it was bizarrely awkward 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:53.359 in the way that we got to watch that whole 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:55.920 thing in the roundtables sort of go down the other day. 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:58.639 But talking to a former head of political science now 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:02.280 Professor Merida Wright, State doctor Donashleke was Stirling and Donnadee 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:04.800 on the big one. So they would want assurances that 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:07.120 they're not going to have everything that they put together 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.800 there be taken for the That would be the third 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.439 time it's happened twice to them, So that's part of it, 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.960 I guess right. It is guaranteeing that opportunity to suck 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:20.240 that black gold out of the ground and split that 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.960 resource with the people in Venezuela and obviously every everybody 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:25.040 else who has a hand in it. 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.880 For profit, right, that is the goal. 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:33.200 But there are hundreds of billions of dollars. It's been 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:38.119 twenty years that this infrastructure has been not maintained, over produced. 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.080 They now produce five to ten percent of the oil 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:45.719 that they used to be capable of. So a massive investment. 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:50.000 Who will guarantee that? Will it be the ships offshore 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.639 or I think the thing that worries most American is 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.840 Americans is will it be troops on the ground. Right 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:00.080 The question now what we're watching and we're waiting is 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:04.520 to see how the Venezuelan leadership can this new acting 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:09.200 president Delci comes out. Can she convinced that let's say 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:14.080 two sectors, defense and the interior, the police and the military. 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:18.320 Can they convince her to work with the Americans. That's 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:22.960 the conversation going on right now. She was a manager 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:26.920 for Maduro, you know, for a decade. She knows the 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:31.280 economic picture, but she's not controlling the two big components 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:34.680 that we need to work with us to make this 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:40.600 intervention happen. And that's that's literally what we are waiting 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:44.000 to see what they choose, how they choose to proceed. 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.040 She's well connected with all the other elites in the country. 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:51.920 But Defense and the interior, the police, you know, the 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:56.440 the intel forces, the prisons, et cetera. What will they do, 0:22:56.560 --> 0:23:00.320 how will they will they participate in this or will 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:04.040 the United States have to use more force? And that's 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:07.439 when we hit the real rubicon, that that that point 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.639 where our boots on the ground going to be required. 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:15.479 President Trump promised no more forever wars, uh, you know, 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:19.760 no more interventions. Well, here we are with the national 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:23.760 security interest, energy, migration, the mineral purity. 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:28.840 Uh huh. And so doctor Dona, there's the minerals in Venezuela. 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:31.720 They're definitely going to be capturing that and the oil 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.720 as well. But do we have the wherewithal to be 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:40.440 able to, you know, take Greenland in the Venezuela and 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:44.720 run that country, and and and all the things going 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:49.200 on with Iran and Ukraine. I mean, the list goes 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:53.160 on and on. How are we doing all this? And 0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:56.960 you know, what do you see? What do you see happening? 0:23:57.240 --> 0:24:01.200 Especially with Greenland? That's an interesting scenario. 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:06.280 Greenland may be the most interesting piece of all of 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:10.119 this because if it does come to military action, Donna, 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:15.840 what happens to NATO. It's it has been, you know, 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:19.239 one of those that that's one of the pillars of 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:23.600 our foreign policy since World War Two. Our major trading 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:26.240 partners in Europe and of course the other major trading 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:31.359 partner in Asia, which would be China. That relationship with 0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.840 NATO has been, it's been, it's been a fall mark. 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:40.040 And to raise the question there about taking by force 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:43.560 someone with whom you have a treaty agreement, We have 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:48.040 access rights. We've had access rights basically since two or 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:51.800 three years when we established NATO. So what is the 0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:57.560 larger objective? The Donroe doctrine as he's calling it, you know, 0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:01.760 basically saying the western hemisphere, North in South America are 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:05.360 for the United States. But since World War Two we've 0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:08.679 been a global power. We've never confined ourselves to the 0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:14.480 western hemisphere. We're global power. And it reminds me when 0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:17.200 I lived in Minneapolis as a student, you know, studying 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:21.159 diplomatic history, the wars between states, World War two, a 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:25.359 world war, trying to build a global system based more 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:32.480 on cooperations, security agreements, prevention of conflict, management of conflicts. 0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:38.439 So we're not facing another massive, potentially nuclear conflict. So, Donna, 0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:43.080 that is the question Congress is asking, what is the plan? 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.600 What is the objective? Do we have the means? Do 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:49.760 we have public support for this? You know, whether it's 0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:53.320 an intervention in Vietnam at the end of World War II, 0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:58.560 Afghanistan after nine to eleven. Those are the questions Congress 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.560 is supposed to be asking, which is why we have 0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:04.520 legislation that's bubbled up in the Senate just this past 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:08.360 week about returning to a debate about the war powers. 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:11.840 Yeah, who's authority in control? Correct? I mean that's always 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:13.000 the thing that goes with it. 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:15.000 A former head of political science at Right State now, 0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:17.520 Professor Merit to doctor Donnas Schleck was sterling and Donna 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:18.760 Dee on the big one. I didn't mean, are up 0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:20.000 at a time is short and we want to talk 0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:22.760 a little bit about the ice protest Minneapolis and so forth. 0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:24.560 But before we get to that in about a short 0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:28.040 order a couple two three minutes. Response possibly, I have 0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:31.840 a question because I've heard so many conversations people with 0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.800 way much more insight into the history of this and 0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:36.359 you are one of those, which is why we have 0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:40.359 you here, and we think about our conquest, our acquisitions, 0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:44.119 our territories globally, how this country was started. Are some 0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:47.400 of the public conversations and comments made by the president 0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.720 that he's taking such grief on, regardless of political ideology, 0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.919 just objectively, honestly, if people can look at it, is 0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:57.520 this the kind of conversation and strong arm gangster stuff 0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:00.480 that this country has been doing from the beginning, but 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:05.360 behind closed doors, giving other figureheads or leaders an opportunity 0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:08.520 to look like it was a teamwork group decision where 0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:10.840 we have sort of said, look, we're going to take it. 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:12.719 You may as well be in front of this and 0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:14.320 look like you want to be a part of this, 0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:17.480 rather than having it out in the open now where 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:20.399 we're getting so much hate. Do we know that because 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:22.040 it does seem very gangster like. 0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:27.760 The conversations with the oil industry has been going on. 0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:32.480 That is not new since certainly the summer when the 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:37.280 build up in the Caribbean started. But there's a hard 0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:41.000 question in the middle of this. Does the oil industry 0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:45.199 want back in, want to reclaim and rehabilitate their infrastructure 0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:49.720 and begin exploring and further developing venezuel as the world's 0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:56.480 biggest known oil reserves. Yes, absolutely, utterly. Has military might 0:27:56.680 --> 0:28:00.280 often backed corporate presence in countries around the world world. 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:03.440 That's what we call diplomatic history, it's what we call 0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:09.280 gunboat diplomacy. Yes, protecting those American investments, it's one of 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:13.200 the reasons why we intervened in Panama and brought Noriega 0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:17.240 here because of the importance, particularly of the canal. That's 0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:23.040 always been the quiet case behind the massive investments. The 0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:27.760 military will back and protect your American corporate investments, but 0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:32.800 who is asked to actually do the defending and in 0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:39.520 public opinion, American public opinion is now very skeptical of interventions, 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:42.920 boots on the ground, and conflicts that appear to go 0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:47.080 on endlessly, that they have a painful memory, a short 0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:52.120 term one, right, Afghanistan in mind, and putting Iran on 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:54.840 that list as well. These are we don't have a 0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:57.680 lot of success stories to point to. Do we you know, 0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:02.120 good models for intervention and in agement and happy outcomes 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:05.080 without a loss of a lot of loss of life. 0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:07.760 So the Americans who were asked to actually do the 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:11.320 defending are not part of the corporate decision to you know, 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:14.600 to intervene. But this is this has not been sprung 0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:17.680 on the oil industry. They have seen this coming. We 0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:21.160 didn't start talking about oil until very late in the case. 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:23.840 If you've noticed, Yeah, well it was it was just 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:26.760 it was a quick sell. It was drugs, it's immigration, 0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:28.960 it's this and that, and with Greenland, it's just well 0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:30.960 we know what's under the ground, even though as you mentioned, 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.760 we already have some relationship. But that whole idea of 0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:36.320 the easy way or the hard way is it's a 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:39.680 it's a bold conversation that I just wonder historically, president 0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:45.000 after president, diplomat after diplomat across you know, the territories 0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:48.280 in the world, et cetera, that we probably had private 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:51.959 conversations that have been more gangster like rather than open 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:55.960 conversation publicly in front of cameras for the world to 0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:59.320 hear us sounding very similar to those countries that we 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:01.840 say are our enemies because of the way they go 0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:05.600 about their business. In protest in Iran sort of echo that. Now, 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:07.920 if we can circle back around, I'd like to know 0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:11.840 about the glow or the national protest, whether it's Cincinnati 0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:15.960 or Dayton or Louisville, Indianapolis, across the country to Minneapolis, 0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:19.040 of course, where the shooting happened, of that woman who 0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:22.320 was taken out by an ICE officer, and the question 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:26.800 of legality and investigation in the midst of either entangling 0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:30.520 with what ICE was doing or overreaction or whatever, is 0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:33.960 that the investigation continues. You were in Minneapolis. There's a 0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:34.800 lot of good people there. 0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:37.520 I almost went it, almost took a job there and 0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:40.320 spent I probably spent about a month there. Overall, it 0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:42.640 is not the blight that a lot of people have 0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.080 tried to point the camera on and say that it's 0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:47.360 a horrible place. It's a wonderful place. It just have 0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:50.720 twelve days a summer as all. It's not enough warm weather. 0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:54.959 Yeah, all right, it can be a month long if 0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:59.080 you're really fortunate living that far north, but it is. 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:05.440 It's you know, the people who settled there, you know, Norwegians, Swedes, German, Irish. 0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:07.840 It reminded me so much of Sweden when I would 0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:12.200 travel there as well. Hard working, kind of reserved, real 0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:20.560 work ethic, strong communities. Despite what some television shows talk about, 0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:23.440 it was not burned to the ground because of George 0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:29.479 Floyd protests, but that left Minneapolis particularly sensitive, you know, 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:33.480 to this level of violence in the public. I just 0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:36.760 caught the mayor of Minneapolis with the police chiefs, whom 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.320 they recently brought in from New York City, you know, 0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:42.640 talking about the work that's been done since the Floyd 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:45.800 protests and how hard they've worked to you know, to 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:49.280 make friends in the community, which is how police saying. 0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:51.719 You know, we know this in Cincinnati, if the police 0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:55.080 are well liked, thought of, there's cooperation in the community, 0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:58.040 then they will work with you on problems. If it's 0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:02.000 gun violence, you know, whatever it might be. That relationship 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:06.280 has been rebuilt in Minneapolis. You know, the economy is strong. 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.440 I have to tell you and Donna, what's troubled me 0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.800 most lately about the coverage is the description of the 0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:17.760 protester as a domestic terrorist. And having studied it and 0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.800 taught terrorism a lot, so much of the definition of 0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:26.320 terrorism goes down to the question of what was the intention? 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:31.080 Did that woman intend to engage in a violent act 0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:35.280 to hurt law enforcement or a government official and to 0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:39.720 alter in the long run public opinion. I don't think 0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:42.000 she was. I don't think that's what she was doing. 0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:44.360 I saw the video many times, no doubt, Like both 0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:46.960 of you, it looks like she was trying to leave 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:51.120 the scene at a very low rate of speed. And 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:55.960 as things do, they get out of hand very quickly, 0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.920 and we've seen a loss of life. The reaction in 0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:02.640 Minneapolis has been and powerful, and it does reflect what 0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:07.120 happened there after George Floyd and you know, the twenty twenty, 0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:09.160 that dark period. A lot of us would like to 0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:11.840 try to just put in a little box and put 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:16.240 it away in our recent memory. But the question of 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:19.120 you know, was she a domestic terrorist. Was she a 0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:23.920 citizen wanting to exercise her First Amendment rights? Definitely? Wrong place, 0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:29.680 wrong time, How quickly things escalate, and now they've cost 0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:35.440 you know, a mother her life, no long criminal record there. 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:38.840 I think it does her an injustice to call her 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:43.120 a terrorist, and it probably further compounds the pain that 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:46.400 she and her family are feeling. But the public has 0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:49.040 been you know, they're talking with their feet, they're on 0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:55.320 their streets, they're commenting, they're protesting. It looks like President 0:33:55.360 --> 0:34:01.000 Trump dhs the responses to perhaps double down again, and 0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:04.479 perhaps this is the time to take that deep breath 0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:09.440 and to go slow, both in terms of ICE and 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:14.120 in terms of Venezuela in particular. You know, the care 0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:20.200 that we need to take, the difficulty for law enforcement 0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:24.280 in whatever capacity, a Cincinnati police officer with a shooting 0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:28.320 down and over the rhine and ice ice agents in Minneapolis. 0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:34.120 When we train law enforcement and give them deadly force, 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:38.520 we have certain expectations, don't we. So this is why 0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:41.080 I mean here we all are saying, well, let us 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:44.960 perhaps do a good investigation and finally get to the 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:48.040 bottom and find out what went wrong and how to 0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:51.760 do better. Certainly what we'd like to how to do better. 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:56.080 I think the signal to Minneapolis, and perhaps people in 0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.480 the middle or the left side of the political spectrum 0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.120 right now might be in the middle of all of 0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.520 this confusion. Perhaps we could go back to square one 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:08.839 and talk about an immigration system that works better for 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:09.600 all of us. 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:12.480 Yeah, that would be good too. And peace still protest 0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.319 and there's a difference. And also, you know, allowing law 0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:19.359 enforcement to be able to clearly have themselves identified invisible, 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:21.680 not that this case was one where people didn't know 0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:24.520 who they were, but that's also a conversation I think 0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:26.400 to be had too. We're out of time. It's always 0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:27.640 good to talk to you, to get into your head, 0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.200 your experience, and your insights. Doctor Donna Schleck, she's a 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:33.319 Cincinnati kid, former head of political science now professor may 0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:35.880 at Wright State University in Dayton. Enjoy the rest of 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:37.720 your Sunday. Thanks for making time for us today. 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:39.520 Thank you both. 0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:41.000 Thank you, doctor Donna. 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:42.040 Take care of yourself. 0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:44.360 But Sterling and Donnade coming back to your chance to 0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:46.239 get interactive, a lot of other stuff to get to 0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:48.360 a little bit later, some AI talk and what the 0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:50.840 future may hold. It's not as scary, or maybe it 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:53.120 is more scary than what we're making up. Time for 0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:55.479 News Now home of the best Bengals coverage and your 0:35:55.600 --> 0:36:00.120 Cincinnati rat seven hundred WLW Cincinnati, whatever you're doing. It 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.560 feels like winter again. It'll feel warmer in the next 0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:06.000 couple of days. It's whiplash weather. It utes to it, 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.520 and they'll be playing baseball in the desert in just weeks. 0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:13.319 I don't know where bring my jacket, put a scarf on. 0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:16.000 You know, I came in here the other day with 0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:18.600 just a nice sweatshirt on. 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:23.200 It's true, I remember and now looks it's what happens 0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:26.839 sometimes the Bearcats in action, some hoops. A little bit 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.400 later on they'll take on Central Florida. They're on the 0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:32.160 road in Orlando. That's a five o'clock tip. Pre He 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:36.600 gave about four thirty here seven hundred WLW X one 0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.560 last night that it was providence. They handled fairly easily. 0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:43.319 And you know who has a go Fundme page and 0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:46.080 one of the best actors I think of his generation 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:50.400 who I don't know if it was the acting he 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:52.959 something happened to Mickey Rourke. 0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:56.920 Yes, and I stick surgery is one of them. 0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:58.960 Right, and there's a go fundme page. We've got Dan Elijah, 0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:00.960 some mothers wanting to get interactive. We're gonna get the 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:02.560 phones here in just a second, So don't go anywhere. 0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:04.920 Boys and Room for you five one, three, seven, four 0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:07.399 nine seven, eight hundred, the big One. If you're listening 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:09.360 on the iHeartRadio app, I want to leave a message, 0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:11.680 you click on the microphone. It's simple. My mom figured 0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:14.960 it out. You can it's easy, and you can talk 0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:18.000 back there as well. So Mickey Rourke has a fundme, 0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:20.440 a go fundme page, but he didn't do it. He 0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:23.320 apparently said hard times and I think he was boxing 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:26.400 for some years, if I'm not mistaken. He really enjoyed boxing. 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:30.160 And his face got all busted up and he looks. 0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:34.799 Worse than he did because it's hard wrestler he was. 0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:38.040 He women loved him early on nine and a half weeks. 0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:41.120 I mean, you know he was amazing Angel Heart. 0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:47.680 I mean yes, I mean he's a Greenwich village, yes. 0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:51.920 But the wrestler later on, even with all that plastic surgery, 0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:55.040 was a great movie. I think he was nominated at 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.000 least for one of the Award shows. I think it 0:37:57.040 --> 0:37:59.640 was an Oscar I have to look at that incredible movie. 0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:03.080 So I did not know this, So somebody started ago. 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:05.879 I saw an interview with him where he couldn't pay 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.640 for his apartment or whatever. So that's what's going on, right. 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:10.120 He was being evicted exactly. 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:13.440 And some people, because you know, we get close to 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:16.520 the people that we watch and we listen to and connect, 0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:18.640 and there were people with a good heart. They're like, well, 0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:21.600 we'll help Mickey Rourke out. They get a go fundme page, 0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:23.319 they want to help him stay in his apartment, give 0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:26.040 him a little cushion to get it together because the 0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:27.680 acting is not like it was, and he's getting a 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:29.360 little long in the two. He's an old bastard and 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:31.839 let's just be honest, and we all hope to live 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:34.320 that long. But the thing that was amazing to me 0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:38.319 is then that he came out he didn't understand the GoFundMe, 0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:41.240 and then he was also I think somewhat embarrassed and offended. 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:43.480 In fact, he said as much. He says, this is embarrassing. 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:46.680 I don't want anybody's charity get your money back. I 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:48.919 didn't do this, I don't want this. I don't even 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:49.759 understand this. 0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:52.560 Wow, yeah, wild, Yeah, he's. 0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:54.280 Like, I'll handle it on my own. He's getting another 0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:56.840 apartment apparently downsizing, which is what you have to do. 0:38:57.000 --> 0:38:59.480 Well, it's a little respectable, you can see, you know. 0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:02.680 I mean, I'll get my I'll pick myself up by 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:06.000 my bootstraps. You know, you always admire people that will 0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:10.640 do that. But every now and then, now and then, yeah, 0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:11.960 I mean why not. I mean I don't even need 0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:14.719 to help right now. Take the money. And also there's 0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:17.720 another gofund me that's yet some attention. Yeah, well, we 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:21.080 we've been mentioning. Doctor donnish Leahek was on with us 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:24.640 just a minute ago and she was talking about, you know, 0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:29.960 the protesters in Minnesota, Yeah, exactly in Minneapolis against Ice 0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.640 and and obviously this is all stemmed from the death 0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:37.480 of Renee Good, a thirty seven year old mother of three. 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:41.000 She was killed during the encounter with Ice, and so 0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:45.000 there was a GoFundMe for her kids because they're they're 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:48.520 you know, left without a mom now and they've raised 0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:53.360 over one point five million. They were asking fifty thousand 0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:56.640 dollars for the initial GoFundMe and they've raised one point 0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:57.240 five million. 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:00.279 Her children a lot of people from around the enture 0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:02.200 and wanting to contribute to that. And some people are 0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:04.920 a little disgusted and irritated because you know, tons of 0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:09.319 videos come out. Everyone's seen it, including the officer who 0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:13.480 was involved in the actual shooting his video from his phone. 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:16.360 And the things that he said. There's that at the 0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:21.000 very end, calling her in you know, right, a terrible word. 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:21.600 A terrible word. 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:25.279 Yeah, And so there are people saying that it's inexcusable 0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:27.680 that there should be no money raised because you know, 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:30.680 she was engaging and trying to run down cops and 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:33.520 so forth or ice agents in this situation. It's a 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:37.120 wild thing because you depending on the angle, and sadly, 0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:40.000 I think perspective, there's no objectivity. Like if you could 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:42.839 get a jury, it'd be difficult to find people who 0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:46.040 said would say that they could be impartial to look 0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:48.440 at evidence if in fact, this was ever going to 0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:51.160 be adjudicated, go to court and see whether it was 0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:54.000 a good shooting or a bad shooting. I mean, it's 0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:56.560 an odd thing to say, and not because of the 0:40:56.640 --> 0:41:00.279 attention drawn, but because the opinions already made. 0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:04.080 The political parties that that that that line where you're 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:06.719 you know, you see it one way because you're skewed 0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:09.239 for the ice agents, and you see it other for 0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:13.040 your screw skewed for the protest that I will sit 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:19.040 screwed skewed. No, And I don't mean to laugh at 0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:23.480 this because it's a horrible, horrible situation, and you know 0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:26.279 there's there's a mother left head. I don't think you 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:29.520 should be taunting anybody. People say she was taunting and 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:31.920 and and and things like that, but there certainly doesn't 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.120 need to be three bullets in her head, that's for sure. 0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:34.440 No. 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:36.440 So I just want to curious about your one. Have 0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:38.480 you given the gofunny thing? If you were Mickey Rourke? 0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:41.000 Would you give the dough back if you could understand 0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:43.520 what was going on? And then part of that is pride. 0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:45.680 I think it's one of those seventh things, seventh sin, 0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:47.600 you know what I mean? 0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:50.640 You know, if you need the money, you take the money. 0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:51.680 It may to help you. 0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:54.560 Maybe just wants to work. I mean you know that 0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:56.600 that's the thing. Give him a job, let him do 0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:59.080 some work. But he's a little sure, little banged up. 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:01.440 I'm a little scary looking too, and I didn't have 0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:03.799 my face all beatn You know that that's a whole 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:06.640 other thing. And in this case, of course she's the 0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:10.520 woman good was killed. She's got the widow. Now, I 0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:11.960 don't know how you say that. If it's the same 0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:13.920 sex couple, it's still a widow, right. 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.920 Well, yeah, they were married were if they were married, 0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:18.279 it would I don't know. 0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:21.680 I'm not trying to be disrespivet I don't know. I 0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:23.680 don't know the rules of that. If it's a. 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:26.319 Partner is left without her so and the kids are 0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:27.560 left for you. 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:28.960 Just jump right beyond it to get to like a 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:31.520 common sense kind of a solution. I want to know, 0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:33.800 is it a widow or a widower? That's the problem, 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:35.719 is that in my head, I just want to know 0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:39.319 semantics in today's world. Five point three seven four nine, seven, 0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:42.000 eight hundred, the big one your chance to get interactive 0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:44.920 and coming up after two o'clock. By the way, Jeffrey Schaefer, 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:48.520 who may have the longest bit of title and business 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:52.040 card information to share. I have ever heard half the 0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:55.120 page that you gave me. It's ridiculous. Just wait till 0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:58.759 you get to the intro. He is an expert in 0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:01.080 an artificial intelligence, and so we'll talk to him about 0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:03.799 all things AI and what the future may hold, because 0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:05.759 they say that what we're facing in the next five 0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:11.840 to ten years the most dramatic change in human history 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:14.600 in advancement. I don't know what that means for us. 0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:17.839 I don't either, and I want to know because it's 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:21.719 our future. It's going to be an interesting conversation. Yeah, five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, 0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:23.759 eight hundred, the Big One. And then we got a 0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:27.480 Dan first, Elijah Larry and others with your chance to 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:29.960 speak your mind on a Sunday Sterling and Donnade on 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:30.399 the Big One. 0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:32.600 Dan, what do you have? Appreciate you listening and holding 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:33.200 what's going on? 0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:38.799 Hey, love your show, always have Thank you. 0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:45.879 To the point, these are people, the whole Minnesota thing, 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:52.440 Renette Good, the ICE Agent, they're people. My brother is 0:43:53.200 --> 0:44:01.400 a psychologist who works with police officers and PTSD. My sons, 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:06.600 both of them our military and have seen action in 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:13.040 Iraq and Afghanistan. I have seen PTSD upfront and personal 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:18.760 and it is not something to be treated lightly. And 0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:22.319 at ICE Agent obviously had some of that going on. 0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:27.759 But this country is founded on freedom of speech, in 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:33.800 the right to be able to protest in the manner 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:34.560 in which. 0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:39.520 It's done varies greatly. There was one point in my 0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:44.640 life where I was whipped to a froth over a 0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:48.879 particular situation. I won't get into all that, but I know. 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:53.279 What it's like when people who have power over other 0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:57.279 people get them excited and get them doing things that 0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:02.040 they probably normally wouldn't do. So but it really still 0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:05.280 comes down to these are people and to a point 0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:09.719 and say this is a domestic terrorist or this or that. 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:12.800 They're operating within the freedoms. 0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:16.680 Allowed by the country, and that ICE agent had probably 0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:21.560 been cleared for work. So one of the problems with 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:25.520 freedom of speech and freedom to protest is that this 0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:32.719 kind of situation can occur where two decent people got 0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:38.040 into something that is not decent. No one wins. That 0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:41.880 police officer will never recover from this. We have a 0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:47.520 friend of the family who shot somebody in Clifton and 0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:51.360 that guy will never get over it. He was a 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:56.840 police officer of good standing, and it again, you know 0:45:57.239 --> 0:46:01.560 situation where the car was a major threat. If you've 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:06.360 been hit by a car, you know what it feels like, 0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:10.919 and having just come off of that, you can understand well, and. 0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:13.600 That's the thing he was dragged and had what thirty 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:15.480 his stitches or more in that arm. I mean, the 0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:17.359 question would be, as you say, clear to come back 0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:19.200 to duty, and you kind of wonder in a combative 0:46:19.239 --> 0:46:21.120 situation if you should have been placed in that for 0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:25.040 his own well being, let alone a demonstrator or demonstrators 0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:27.640 who may cross the line or hit him emotionally or 0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:31.680 have him be fearful for his life. Again, because most 0:46:31.680 --> 0:46:34.120 of us have never had a weapon discharged in our 0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:37.319 general direction or a vehicle driven at us, and what 0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:40.600 could be considered a threatening way and new question also 0:46:40.680 --> 0:46:42.360 the training of do you get it in front of 0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:44.920 or behind a moving vehicle where you put yourself in 0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:47.279 jeopardy or get them later too. I mean, there's so 0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:50.120 many layers to this that seem to have been lost 0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:52.200 in a lot of the conversation that people have. Dan 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:56.920 fantastic hallity perspective and very thoughtful. We appreciate you listening 0:46:56.960 --> 0:47:00.000 and being a part of the show. Seriously, thank you. 0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:04.440 Take idea of one thing he did say that that 0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:07.680 that just you know, made me think too, they are 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:12.520 both human beings and and and put in a tense 0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:15.880 situation like that, especially with someone who does have PTSD. 0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:19.240 You think about it, if it's if he's been hit before, 0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:21.480 there's got to be something, whether he's cleared or not, 0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:25.960 there's going to be something that he reacts to. Yeah, 0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:29.239 and uh, and and that was certainly maybe maybe that 0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:30.719 needs to be looked at big time. 0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:31.200 It does. 0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:34.120 You know, there's so many questions about how, you know, 0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:36.920 the ice moving forward and how they go about their business, 0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:39.000 because they're doing work that needs to be done in 0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:41.560 some fashion in the way policing is done in a 0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:44.279 certainly protesting whether you're just on the street in the 0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:46.640 midst of traffic, caught up in the weirdness that is 0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:50.919 maybe something happening, or wanting to actually engage and either 0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:54.839 put yourself between the law enforcement and whatever they're going 0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:59.680 to do their work. About interference and engagement, Uh, there's 0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:03.719 a lot Yeah, I mean physically involving them, threatening them 0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:06.799 in some fashion. But also you would hope that professionals 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:10.080 in the business of policing in general, regardless of which level, 0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:13.480 organization or otherwise, one would hope that they would also 0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:19.600 have that ability to not let verbal assaults and comments 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:22.880 get them emotionally charged to where they would make a 0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:25.840 decision they would not otherwise do reasonably. 0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:28.800 Right, and when you when your training is cut in half, 0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:33.439 even more so, that might be a critical point of 0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:37.279 being able to police people without emotionally getting when you've 0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:41.040 got whistles, loud whistles and honking of horns and people 0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:43.359 in your face saying get out of here and all 0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:45.279 that other stuff. You have to be if you're going 0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:46.719 to be out there, you have to be able to 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:47.399 maintain that. 0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:51.239 Absolutely. Let's get Sandusky. Elijah, Tanya or Tanya. I don't 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:58.640 know which. We'll find out. Usually I don't know there 0:48:58.719 --> 0:49:02.120 was I knew what Tan, I don't know one t 0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:06.000 I don't know it is Elijah. I know that for sure. 0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:07.799 You're with Stirling and Donna deal on the big one. 0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:08.759 Thanks for holding what do you have? 0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:12.840 Yes, I was calling in to talk about, you know, 0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:17.160 in regard to the killing of Renee Good, which obviously 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:20.960 I don't wish that she was killed, obviously nobody does, 0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:24.280 because she was deadly behind three kids. But the same hand, 0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:25.760 the reason. 0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:29.200 She was shot was because she did if you watch the. 0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:32.040 Videos, but that she did strike that ice officer with 0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:37.000 her vehicle. But it's very clearly shows that, and some 0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:38.960 people will say that maybe you should have been standing 0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:42.439 in front of her or maybe whatever, But she did 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:47.480 have her vehicle parked perpendicular to traffic, obstructing federal agents, 0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:51.600 which is a crime. And obviously the reason what she 0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:54.799 was was a protest. But when you protest, you have 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:58.000 to protest lawfully. You can't break the law when you're protesting, 0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:01.880 because alviously that's the crime. And so I believe the 0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:05.080 officer was justified in shooting because, no doubt, we feared, 0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:07.399 and you know rightly, so he feared for his own 0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:11.480 lives because obviously having a vehicle driven at you and 0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:14.239 being struck, regardless of the speed that you were struck at, 0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:18.400 being struck by a vehicle would definitely make you fearful 0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:21.240 for your life. And then so that's that's that's why 0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:24.480 he decided, in a split second, he had to make 0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:27.799 a split second decision to pull the trigger. And now 0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:30.600 everyone obviously wishes he didn't have to make that decision. 0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:32.600 I'm sure he himself would. 0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:34.879 Not want would if you could go back, would try 0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:38.000 to avoid making that decision. But at the time, he 0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:40.480 believed for his own safety it was the right decision. 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:44.880 And I think the more concerning thing is is the 0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:49.239 reason why these Super Bowl producing it wasn't because they 0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:53.040 really think that that this certain officer was out to 0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:55.640 kill them or obviously there's no he had no mal intent. 0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:58.360 And I don't really think that monet good, which he 0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:01.319 started her morning, was the change to go and run 0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:04.640 over an ice officer. But also I don't believe the 0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:08.359 narrative you see pushed in mainstream media that says that 0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:10.120 she was just happened to be caught up in the 0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:12.759 midst of, you know, a traffic jam and she was 0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:14.520 just you know, picking up her kids from you know, 0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:17.200 I don't know, Somali daycare and she just. 0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:19.360 Got caught in the traffic jam. Really, it just dropped 0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:20.880 the Somali daycare and everything. 0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:24.000 And I mean, Elijah, you were making sense a little 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:26.360 bit there, but in my opinion, you've gone off. 0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:32.440 But I heard one thing about Elijah, I appreciate it. 0:51:32.520 --> 0:51:34.960 I haven't heard one thing about her just moseying along 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:36.120 and getting stuck in traffic. 0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:39.120 Some people were saying that she dropped the kids off 0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:41.319 and was just stuck in traffic. But it's clear that 0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:44.719 there was an attempt by for documentation and video. Her 0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:46.319 wife or whatever was outside of the. 0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:47.919 Vehicle she was protesting. 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:51.200 For sure, I don't and I've seen how many videos, 0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:53.920 and I don't necessarily buy the fact that she was 0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:56.759 running over the guy. She hit the gas and was 0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:57.959 trying to maneuver. 0:51:57.600 --> 0:51:59.800 He trying to maneuver he was in front of the car. 0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:04.840 I just I want an objective, fair investigation and allowing 0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.000 Minnesota also their authorities to be able to look at 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:11.040 that too. I think that's more than reasonable and rational, 0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:14.480 and then you can sort of make a decision or 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:17.200 at least those people in positions of you know, power 0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:19.319 and authority can look at training and what they did 0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:21.840 and how they went about their business. Good shooting or 0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:23.799 bad shooting. I don't think anybody got up and wanted 0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:25.120 to have somebody go home dead. 0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:27.759 That That's what I agree with him about. He didn't plan, 0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:30.560 She didn't plan to go and get you know, get 0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:33.840 involved in get and get shot that morning at a protest. 0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:37.759 So it's just it's just a horrible thing. You don't 0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:41.000 want law enforcement in that situation. You don't want protesters 0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:43.839 in that situation. But we knew the outset of all 0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:46.799 of this, with the deportations and a serious effort to 0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:49.440 go after people. It was going to get really nasty, 0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:53.960 really dirty people's lives, children, people ingrained in the community 0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:56.759 that have lived here in some cases for decades. There's 0:52:56.880 --> 0:52:59.680 high level of passion and in concern and going into 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:03.439 schools and it's difficult. It's just, you know, you would 0:53:03.480 --> 0:53:05.680 think that there might be a better, more reasonable, rational 0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:09.560 way to go about this business in general. But here 0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:12.319 we are, and I'm sort of surprised that I haven't 0:53:12.360 --> 0:53:16.440 had more UH engagements that have turned sour like this 0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:19.000 over time, and you just hope that that's not the 0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:22.760 case for anyone period. Let's get to Mason and Tanya 0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:26.080 or is Tanya or Tanya Tanya Tanya. 0:53:25.760 --> 0:53:26.320 It's Donya. 0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:31.080 I thought, sod on the big one. What's going on? 0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:31.680 What do you think? 0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:37.279 Okay, So, just to throw this out there, I'm I 0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:41.040 am a rehabbed criminal. I used to commit crimes. I've 0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:43.520 been to prison. I've actually one of the ones that 0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:46.920 have changed my life, and I'm a productive member of 0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:47.680 society now. 0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:48.120 Excellent. 0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:50.120 When I was younger, in. 0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:53.520 My teenage years, I protested for the death penalty in Missouri, 0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:57.920 for the abolition of the death penalty. Never did we 0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:03.480 interfere with this the staff of the prison. We didn't 0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:05.839 go there with the intentions to do things like that. 0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:07.160 We were just protesting. 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:14.200 And I feel like when you intentionally put yourself in 0:54:14.320 --> 0:54:18.560 a situation where the ice officers are doing one particular thing. 0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:20.840 They're not patrolling the streets, they were there to do 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:24.360 one particular thing, you, as a citizen, take yourself and 0:54:24.400 --> 0:54:27.480 intentionally put yourself there, knowing that it could get a 0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:30.480 little out of hand, and you're going there to entice 0:54:30.719 --> 0:54:35.960 and to interfere with what they're doing. You're not allowed 0:54:35.960 --> 0:54:39.040 to do that. You're not allowed to interfere with law enforcement. 0:54:39.040 --> 0:54:40.920 And people are forgetting that. 0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:43.360 ICE is not just ice. 0:54:43.520 --> 0:54:48.680 Ice are federal law enforcement officers. So just like if 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:50.719 me and you were to get pulled over, we're not 0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:53.279 necessarily arrested at that time, but we are detained. We're 0:54:53.280 --> 0:54:56.000 not allowed to just leave. We're not allowed to just 0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:58.800 do what we want. If we're asked to identify ourselves, 0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:03.080 we have to. So if me as a criminal back 0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:05.240 in the day, I didn't fight with the police whenever 0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:07.120 they pulled me over and asked me for my ID, 0:55:07.440 --> 0:55:09.520 I would have been putting myself in a worse situation 0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:14.120 than I was already in So whenever a law enforcement officer, 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:18.320 whether it's county, city, federal, if they tell you to stop, 0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:21.799 you're supposed to stop. Yeah, So when he stood in 0:55:21.840 --> 0:55:24.000 front of her car and told her to stop, she 0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:25.400 should have stopped. 0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:25.719 Now. 0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:29.040 I mean, granted, if he would have moved out in 0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:30.719 front of her car, she could have ran away. Later 0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:32.200 they could have ran her, placed with to her house 0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:34.319 and got her. She wouldn't be dead, he wouldn't be 0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:35.959 facing these allegations. 0:55:36.000 --> 0:55:38.120 But that's what happened. 0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:40.200 He was trying to get her to stop because he 0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:43.000 was a law enforcement officer telling her to stop. Now, 0:55:43.000 --> 0:55:45.480 the video before, we don't know. Video before, we don't 0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:47.719 know if she was throwing things like what we've seen 0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:50.640 on television, people throwing things at them, trying to break 0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:52.840 into where they're at, trying to stop them from going, 0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:56.440 throwing bricks at their cars. We don't know what was 0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:59.959 happening before the video we see, but we do see 0:56:00.160 --> 0:56:04.279 a federal law enforcement officer telling someone who is impeding 0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:08.400 their duties to stop, and she didn't. 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:10.400 She hit the gas. 0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:12.720 YEP, me and you and anyone else in the world. 0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:14.640 If we feel like someone is getting to hit us 0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:16.240 with a corn. We have a gun in our hands, 0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:17.640 we might shoot. 0:56:17.880 --> 0:56:18.080 Yeah. 0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:19.400 I mean, if you're in fear for your life, I 0:56:19.440 --> 0:56:23.120 mean that's the thing, and they are trained to stop 0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:25.080 the threat. I mean that that's sort of the way 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:26.680 it goes. We'll see how the investigation goes. 0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:26.959 Tony. 0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:28.840 I'm glad you got your life together and your perspective 0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:30.839 means everything. We're just against the wall in time here. 0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:32.640 We appreciate it. Hope you'll call again. We appreciate you. 0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:36.879 Well, that was totally agree with her. There's a lot 0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:39.120 of what she said because you have to pay attention 0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:40.600 to the rule of law. 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:43.520 Absolutely, John and Jerry, Larry others. 0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:46.759 Room for you. You're seven or seven thirty. I'm dyslexic. 0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:48.799 I'm looking at it, says one twenty seven. You're one 0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:52.120 thirty reports straight away more Sterling and Donna d coming 0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:56.720 back here. Seven hundred WLWD hanging out seven hundred WLW 0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:02.520 Sad day for dead fans, music fans all over the place. 0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:10.080 Bob Weirs left us seventy eight years old complications of 0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:17.680 lung issues after a cancer was beaten and apparently the lungs. 0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:23.080 What a great body of music and really I mean 0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:27.560 from just the jam band thing and so many great 0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:29.680 players and so much history. 0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:35.680 I mean, it's such tough, so many psychedelics, so many. 0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:38.640 Are you saying that there might have been some pharmaceuticals 0:57:38.760 --> 0:57:39.000 cause I. 0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:42.360 Seen maybe, but I've never been to a Dead show, 0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:44.640 so I can't be one hundred percent sure. 0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:47.120 I don't know how that's possible. 0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:51.240 I mean, weird to think, no, is it? I mean, well, 0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:54.000 what happens is just like your friend we talked about 0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:57.120 it earlier, you go to a Grateful Dead show and 0:57:57.160 --> 0:57:58.800 then you just follow them. 0:57:59.040 --> 0:57:59.600 I never did. 0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:01.480 I was always a fan. I never did it. 0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:03.640 But she like, she went on her Mary Way and 0:58:03.720 --> 0:58:07.160 on the road and then she's well adjusted, professional mom, 0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:08.240 handle her business. 0:58:08.360 --> 0:58:11.760 It's their music, it's their vibe, it's the culture, it's everything. 0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:13.360 When you go to a Grateful Dead show. 0:58:13.640 --> 0:58:15.840 A couple of friends I've done this over the years. 0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:17.400 They'd hit the road. They'd be like, we're gonna be 0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:19.040 in Chicago, will be back in Cincinnati with their at 0:58:19.080 --> 0:58:19.800 Riverbed or whatever. 0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:20.200 You comment. 0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:22.960 Were we in the lot making like burritos. I'm like, 0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:26.120 it's a liner day thing. Burritos in the lot. I 0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:28.800 don't know about necessarily, but people loved them a lot. 0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:29.440 Yeah. 0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:32.840 Yeah, so let's uh, let's we got some people holding. 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:34.960 And then of course right before the break, we were 0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:36.680 talking to Tanya, yes. 0:58:36.680 --> 0:58:39.080 And you know, we didn't have time to comment on 0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:42.440 her comment because Tanya had a lot of good points. 0:58:42.480 --> 0:58:46.160 When you know, police officers, federal agents and things like 0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:48.400 that tell you to do something, you do it. I 0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:52.960 have always adhered to that. I mean, I know civil 0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:55.040 rights is a big deal, and I don't want my 0:58:55.120 --> 0:58:58.600 civil rights violated too. But if an officer says pull 0:58:58.680 --> 0:59:00.760 the car over, I'm gonna put my over and I'm 0:59:00.760 --> 0:59:03.440 going to handle my drik whatever it is, and then 0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:05.880 if I have an issue, I'll take it up. Yeah, 0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:08.120 I'll fight it later, but in the meantime. But it's 0:59:08.160 --> 0:59:12.680 the same thing, Sterling. If like I don't antagonize drivers. 0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:15.800 If somebody comes and I'm not driving fast enough for them, 0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:19.040 which happens and comes in tailgates me, I'm going to 0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:22.160 get out of the way of that driver, and I'm 0:59:22.160 --> 0:59:25.840 not going to slow down just to irritate him because 0:59:25.840 --> 0:59:29.520 he's irritating me literally get but I mean, you know, 0:59:30.040 --> 0:59:33.560 circumstances are different, but I do my very best in 0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:38.000 this life to not inflame other people's because people are 0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:38.760 crazy right. 0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:42.760 Now, just in general hostility, you know what we're there's 0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:45.120 a fine line. I see the hostility, but I also 0:59:45.160 --> 0:59:47.000 in some ways and I make a point to go 0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:49.120 out of my way to be friendly and nice and talkative, 0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:52.680 which is hard for me because I am very shy, 0:59:52.440 --> 0:59:55.280 which it is bizarre but true. I know, uh that 0:59:55.400 --> 1:00:00.160 may sound weird, but people get really aggressive, really fat. 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:02.880 And flip a switch on somebody if you try, and 1:00:03.080 --> 1:00:05.800 you know, antagonize somebody. 1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:08.080 And people are really quick to the gun. And that 1:00:08.080 --> 1:00:11.280 doesn't necessarily mean professionals, It just means everyday people. So 1:00:11.360 --> 1:00:13.600 you don't really know what you're dealing with, whether it's 1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:16.000 on seventy one seventy five or the parking lot at 1:00:16.000 --> 1:00:19.040 the grocery store otherwise, let alone engaging in active law 1:00:19.120 --> 1:00:22.000 enforcement doing their business. I am time and place for 1:00:22.160 --> 1:00:24.520 protest in the right way, but it can be dangerous. 1:00:24.640 --> 1:00:27.040 Five point three, seven four nine, seven, eight hundred The 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.520 Big One, your chance to get interactive. Rafael's coming up. 1:00:29.600 --> 1:00:31.800 Jerry starts in room for you on seven hundred. W 1:00:32.000 --> 1:00:34.400 welw was Sterling and Donna d Jerry thanks for holding 1:00:34.400 --> 1:00:34.840 what do you have? 1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:40.120 Yes, Donna would be too young to remember this, but 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:43.479 the first time I heard of Mickey Rourke was when 1:00:43.800 --> 1:00:47.720 actor Bob Conrad, Robert Conrad of the Wild Wild West 1:00:47.720 --> 1:00:50.439 TV series Who've done his own stunts. He was doing 1:00:50.440 --> 1:00:54.200 a commercial for Energizer batteries and he placed an eight 1:00:54.280 --> 1:00:57.560 pack on his shoulder and during the commercial at the end, 1:00:57.920 --> 1:01:00.160 he said, and I dare anyone to come and ID 1:01:00.160 --> 1:01:02.440 to knock it off of my shoulder. That's right, And 1:01:02.480 --> 1:01:05.800 Mickey Rourke responded and said he would do it, and 1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:09.360 Robert Conrad said, bring him on. Now. That's as far 1:01:09.400 --> 1:01:12.320 as I ever found out. I wanted to follow it up, 1:01:12.400 --> 1:01:14.120 but I never found out what happened. 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:16.840 Well, I would love to know, because so this wasn't 1:01:16.880 --> 1:01:21.360 an act like in real life. He encountered Conrad and 1:01:21.480 --> 1:01:24.240 was like, I'll take that those batteries off your shoulder. Yeah, 1:01:24.320 --> 1:01:26.320 I would like to see that too, because I think 1:01:26.560 --> 1:01:29.200 at one time or another, Mickey Rourke liked to mix 1:01:29.240 --> 1:01:29.920 it up a little bit. 1:01:29.960 --> 1:01:31.600 It sounds sounds. 1:01:31.320 --> 1:01:33.720 Like I was very young at the time and I 1:01:33.840 --> 1:01:37.560 was biased because Robert Conrad was a hero of mine. 1:01:37.880 --> 1:01:41.080 I watched his Western movies and TV series. But I 1:01:41.120 --> 1:01:43.080 would also like to know how that turned out. 1:01:43.200 --> 1:01:45.440 Well, I don't know. We'll have to do some research 1:01:45.480 --> 1:01:46.560 and find out. Jerry, thank you. 1:01:46.640 --> 1:01:47.160 I do know that. 1:01:47.200 --> 1:01:49.400 Conrad also, I just watched it. It's weird because I 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:52.560 like the old Columbo. He did a Columbo where he 1:01:52.600 --> 1:01:55.160 played a murderer who was like a fitness expert who 1:01:55.240 --> 1:01:57.600 was cheating the company and he was just killing people 1:01:57.600 --> 1:01:58.160 because he could. 1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:01.360 There is no record that mickeyro actually knocked the ever 1:02:01.440 --> 1:02:04.800 Ready battery off Robert Conrad's shoulder in real life. So 1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:05.520 there's the answer. 1:02:05.680 --> 1:02:08.800 There's artificial intelligence for you. We got the answer. Speaking 1:02:08.800 --> 1:02:11.360 of which, Jeffrey Schaeffer. He's a director of the applied 1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:13.440 AI lab that you see, and a whole lot of 1:02:13.440 --> 1:02:16.040 other credentials we'll get to later after two o'clock talking 1:02:16.080 --> 1:02:21.120 about our future with artificial intelligence. Also, Angeanette Leaving, a lovely, talented, 1:02:21.160 --> 1:02:24.360 well informed former anchor reporter here in town, still here 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:27.040 based if I'm not mistaken, works for long crime. We're 1:02:27.040 --> 1:02:30.040 gonna get into her head after two thirty five. Talk 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:33.960 about the Columbus dentist who has ties. I think he 1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:36.880 spent time living in Mason and his wife, who were 1:02:36.960 --> 1:02:41.880 murdered allegedly by Ohio State medical grad who was in Chicago, 1:02:42.000 --> 1:02:45.040 who she was married to previously, now charged with both 1:02:45.080 --> 1:02:47.440 their murders. So we'll get into her head about that. 1:02:47.600 --> 1:02:49.240 I mean, this is just a weird That is a 1:02:49.280 --> 1:02:54.600 horrible story. And his oh my gosh, mugshot is just scary. 1:02:55.400 --> 1:02:56.640 I've heard that from a few people. 1:02:56.720 --> 1:03:00.360 He smokes his face, the look on that guy face, 1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:03.160 and then you see side by side the happy couple, 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:05.800 they look so cute together. And then you see the 1:03:05.880 --> 1:03:08.680 mugs shot of the ex who, by the way, ran 1:03:08.880 --> 1:03:11.040 for eight days. It was a man hunt, and he's caught, 1:03:11.080 --> 1:03:13.000 and he's he's. 1:03:12.440 --> 1:03:16.000 Being held ahead. Oh my good covers tracks and do 1:03:16.040 --> 1:03:19.320 what was necessary. Thank goodness, lest the kids. 1:03:19.040 --> 1:03:19.520 And the dog. 1:03:19.600 --> 1:03:22.280 Though I'm not saying it was good that he did 1:03:22.280 --> 1:03:24.640 the killing allegedly that he did. I'm just saying, I mean, 1:03:24.680 --> 1:03:24.920 you know. 1:03:25.040 --> 1:03:27.000 Yeah, thankfully he didn't take out the whole family. 1:03:27.280 --> 1:03:29.160 But I don't know anybody who's had a mugshot where 1:03:29.200 --> 1:03:32.440 they look good. I mean, well, if I had somebody 1:03:32.440 --> 1:03:34.800 take my mugshot now, just for fun, I'd give a 1:03:34.880 --> 1:03:36.480 sour face just to look like a bad ad. 1:03:36.600 --> 1:03:38.560 Well, this guy looks he looks crazy. 1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:39.840 He does. 1:03:40.280 --> 1:03:45.880 Look at Google it Google the mugshot of the alleged killer, 1:03:46.000 --> 1:03:49.320 alleged of the cute Columbus, Ohio couple. 1:03:49.440 --> 1:03:51.360 Oh my god, well see see this is the thing 1:03:51.360 --> 1:03:54.360 you humanize and soften because they're cute. If they were 1:03:54.400 --> 1:03:57.560 some hideous, ugly looking people and they were killing, you 1:03:58.840 --> 1:03:59.440 don't even go. 1:03:59.640 --> 1:04:03.680 Everybody, so many, so many people donaga. 1:04:04.120 --> 1:04:07.080 Well there are such a perfect couple, and it doesn't 1:04:07.120 --> 1:04:08.919 matter even if they weren't a perfect couple. 1:04:08.960 --> 1:04:10.160 They shouldn't have been gunned down. 1:04:10.200 --> 1:04:13.880 That should go without saying, I knock it off. 1:04:14.000 --> 1:04:17.520 I mean the Manngione guy or whatever, not like Chuck Manngoni, 1:04:17.560 --> 1:04:20.800 the guy you've gunned down allegedly the healthcare like a 1:04:20.920 --> 1:04:23.680 CEO or whatever right in New York. All the people 1:04:23.680 --> 1:04:26.640 coming out, he's so pretty, he's attractive, and all these 1:04:26.640 --> 1:04:29.400 people sending money to him because he's good looker or whatever. 1:04:29.680 --> 1:04:32.960 I mean, come on, that's horrible, it is you See, 1:04:33.000 --> 1:04:35.280 you pick your spots, don't you? Always good to talk 1:04:35.320 --> 1:04:37.760 to Rafael and bond Hill with Sterling and Donnade on 1:04:37.760 --> 1:04:40.160 the Big one and then Matt after that coming up too. 1:04:40.480 --> 1:04:42.160 What's up, Rafael. I appreciate you being here. 1:04:42.200 --> 1:04:45.240 Everything is good, Sterling and Dona d nice to hear 1:04:45.280 --> 1:04:48.680 you as always, you know, of course it's a you know, 1:04:48.880 --> 1:04:54.000 tragic story in Minneapolis. And and Donade, thanks for bringing 1:04:54.080 --> 1:04:57.160 up the Columbus couple too. That one kind of hurt 1:04:57.160 --> 1:05:01.440 too because the ex wife she moves on, you know, 1:05:01.560 --> 1:05:04.680 found you know, peace and love, family and this. 1:05:04.920 --> 1:05:05.040 Uh. 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:08.600 And let me just refrain from calling you what I 1:05:08.640 --> 1:05:12.400 want to over the air, but control you know, hopefully 1:05:12.560 --> 1:05:17.440 justice will be served appropriately. Uh in Minneapolis, guys, and 1:05:18.400 --> 1:05:22.800 the sister of Nae Good, I've watched the videos, you know, 1:05:23.040 --> 1:05:28.480 constant times, uh, for different angles, different videos in her comments, 1:05:28.520 --> 1:05:33.240 you know, all around about But to see my take 1:05:33.720 --> 1:05:37.640 on it is is that I'm pro law enforcement. 1:05:39.040 --> 1:05:41.280 You're probably going to be hard pressed. 1:05:40.960 --> 1:05:45.920 To find anybody more a law for law enforcement than I. 1:05:47.760 --> 1:05:55.000 But in this case here, I'm very wary of this 1:05:55.320 --> 1:05:58.200 version of ice officers across the country as a whole 1:05:59.240 --> 1:06:05.400 up there in many now, Renee Good, she did not 1:06:05.680 --> 1:06:09.640 deserve to be shot to death that day. Uh, if 1:06:09.680 --> 1:06:12.560 it were me the officers who came up to the 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:16.960 door initially, I'm getting out of the car. Now that's 1:06:17.080 --> 1:06:20.880 me if if Renee was, you know, wary of the 1:06:20.960 --> 1:06:23.400 situation of fraid here's Ice. 1:06:23.440 --> 1:06:24.280 I don't know what they're. 1:06:24.120 --> 1:06:26.280 Gonna do to me, or I got to get home, 1:06:26.320 --> 1:06:28.120 I got to get to work. That I don't know. 1:06:29.120 --> 1:06:32.240 But I will tell you guys this, the officer who 1:06:32.320 --> 1:06:37.800 killed her, the way he started filming around the back 1:06:37.840 --> 1:06:41.920 of the car, and Renee's partner and the license plate, 1:06:42.160 --> 1:06:44.760 and the way he strolled around that passenger side of 1:06:44.760 --> 1:06:48.960 the car to the front in a nonchalot manner. He 1:06:49.040 --> 1:06:54.760 knew damn well that those other Ice officers allegedly were 1:06:54.800 --> 1:06:59.360 at that door. But that guy who killed her had 1:06:59.480 --> 1:07:05.120 no in tension of letting her go away. And I'm 1:07:05.120 --> 1:07:08.360 going to say this point blank, I believe that it 1:07:08.440 --> 1:07:12.600 was all a setup to actually get in front of 1:07:12.600 --> 1:07:17.320 the vehicle to make an excuse for her as she 1:07:17.440 --> 1:07:20.600 pulled away, he was going to pull a trigger because 1:07:21.160 --> 1:07:25.600 I believe that no coincidence up in Minneapolis, the whole 1:07:25.640 --> 1:07:29.600 Somali fraud thing and the blue state and governor walls 1:07:29.640 --> 1:07:34.360 and all that. But I do believe that he intentionally 1:07:34.400 --> 1:07:36.919 when he walked around the car to go in front 1:07:36.960 --> 1:07:37.720 of the car. 1:07:38.520 --> 1:07:39.720 He could have moved. 1:07:39.960 --> 1:07:42.880 No officer with proper training is going to stand in 1:07:42.920 --> 1:07:47.360 front of a vehicle when he knows that other officers 1:07:47.400 --> 1:07:51.040 are trying to get the person to either hold on, 1:07:51.240 --> 1:07:51.920 don't go. 1:07:51.800 --> 1:07:52.600 Get out of the car. 1:07:52.960 --> 1:07:57.320 Whatever. He stood there, knowing full well that she was 1:07:57.360 --> 1:08:00.560 going to make a move. She turned the wheels of 1:08:00.640 --> 1:08:03.240 her vehicle away from him, and. 1:08:03.240 --> 1:08:04.440 He still shot her. 1:08:05.400 --> 1:08:08.840 There were two other vehicles at least that were able 1:08:08.880 --> 1:08:13.680 to go around them, or ice agents or her car. 1:08:13.840 --> 1:08:19.800 So the impeding uh law enforcement, that's bs. But you 1:08:19.840 --> 1:08:24.599 cannot put anything past this administration and this this that 1:08:24.840 --> 1:08:29.200 person in the over office. Well I got before, I 1:08:29.280 --> 1:08:32.800 told you before, Sterling, and we'll say it again. You 1:08:32.840 --> 1:08:36.559 can't put anything passing. He's lied his way through life 1:08:36.560 --> 1:08:41.960 to get to this point. He's staged two fake assassination. 1:08:41.320 --> 1:08:45.439 Attempt into the shallow end of the pool here. 1:08:45.479 --> 1:08:46.519 Now hold on a second. 1:08:46.800 --> 1:08:52.000 You can hear he's it's a it's a it's an 1:08:52.080 --> 1:08:55.000 upsetting cut. It's a little always appreciate the call, and 1:08:55.040 --> 1:08:57.640 we thank you. But I mean, first of all, I 1:08:57.680 --> 1:09:00.600 don't know that the president was on the ground Minneapolis. 1:09:00.640 --> 1:09:01.400 I don't think he was. 1:09:02.080 --> 1:09:04.479 Firstly, Secondly, you don't know what was in that law 1:09:04.560 --> 1:09:08.439 enforcement officers that ice agent's heart and in that moment, 1:09:08.520 --> 1:09:12.280 how afraid he was or wasn't and especially with what 1:09:12.360 --> 1:09:16.599 he went through not long ago that made became public 1:09:17.160 --> 1:09:20.719 because of litigation in the situation where he was dragged 1:09:20.720 --> 1:09:22.920 and had where he was reaching into a vehicle, had 1:09:22.960 --> 1:09:25.759 that arm caught up and I think it was thirty 1:09:25.800 --> 1:09:29.080 some stitches in that arm not long ago, and then 1:09:29.160 --> 1:09:32.599 back out their enforcement on the streets and engaging people 1:09:32.720 --> 1:09:34.639 like that. I don't know if I had been through 1:09:34.640 --> 1:09:36.240 what he had been through, if I would have one 1:09:36.400 --> 1:09:38.160 wanted to be there, or maybe I would have wanted 1:09:38.160 --> 1:09:40.599 to be there, And maybe I shouldn't be there because 1:09:40.640 --> 1:09:43.679 I might be a little too quick to want to 1:09:43.760 --> 1:09:47.519 retaliate or avoid a situation where I might be heard 1:09:47.560 --> 1:09:51.040 again or one of my others a uniform or public around. 1:09:51.400 --> 1:09:53.800 So I don't know. That's a lot of assumptions. What 1:09:53.920 --> 1:09:58.919 I would like to see is a clean, objective, honest 1:09:59.240 --> 1:10:03.080 investigation that's for everyone to be able to see with 1:10:03.160 --> 1:10:06.840 sunshine light all over it, Rather than people in positions 1:10:06.840 --> 1:10:09.400 of power and authority who had not seen the video 1:10:09.439 --> 1:10:12.120 that most of us have already been able to see subsequently, 1:10:12.160 --> 1:10:16.519 including that ICE agent's video from his phone making comments 1:10:16.560 --> 1:10:19.200 about what this woman good did or did not do, 1:10:19.520 --> 1:10:23.879 which were verifiably visible for anyone who has a device 1:10:23.920 --> 1:10:27.320 in hand to look at video. I just want it 1:10:27.360 --> 1:10:28.120 to be clean. 1:10:28.400 --> 1:10:30.599 Do you think we're gonna get that. 1:10:31.479 --> 1:10:33.439 I don't know what we're gonna get. I would hope 1:10:33.439 --> 1:10:35.719 that the FBI would do it the right way, and honestly, 1:10:35.840 --> 1:10:37.800 I would hope that Minnesota has a chance to be 1:10:38.120 --> 1:10:40.599 able to investigate it and get involved in it also, 1:10:40.920 --> 1:10:43.200 But I don't know. And as this continues and the 1:10:43.200 --> 1:10:45.479 policing continues, people need to take a deep breath and 1:10:45.560 --> 1:10:48.719 back off, and that includes the public wanting to protest, 1:10:48.920 --> 1:10:49.839 which is all right. 1:10:49.800 --> 1:10:53.599 It's getting worse, not I mean, it's getting more heated. 1:10:53.640 --> 1:10:56.200 Even if you heard Raphael, who is a caller that 1:10:56.280 --> 1:10:57.519 calls in quite a bit. 1:10:57.560 --> 1:11:00.240 And does support the police and everything else, you could, Yeah, you. 1:11:00.160 --> 1:11:03.679 Can hear it in his voice, the emotion that's coming out, 1:11:03.840 --> 1:11:06.559 and you see it on the streets of cities all 1:11:06.600 --> 1:11:10.840 across this country exactly. I mean, there's so this is 1:11:10.880 --> 1:11:13.320 going to get worse before it gets better, that's for sure. 1:11:13.439 --> 1:11:15.880 Here's Matt. He's heading to UK. 1:11:16.080 --> 1:11:19.519 That's University of Kentucky if you don't know, And welcome 1:11:19.560 --> 1:11:22.200 to seven hundred WLW. You're with Stirling and Donnade. Now 1:11:22.240 --> 1:11:24.880 you grew up in you're in Minnesota? And were you 1:11:24.920 --> 1:11:26.800 in the Twin Cities growing up or what part of 1:11:27.160 --> 1:11:29.200 the beautiful state where the Golden Gophers go? 1:11:30.479 --> 1:11:31.320 Heay, good afternoon. 1:11:31.360 --> 1:11:34.599 I grew up in southern Minnesota, about seventy miles south 1:11:34.640 --> 1:11:35.679 of the Twin Cities. 1:11:35.760 --> 1:11:39.360 Okay, but go ahead. 1:11:40.760 --> 1:11:44.280 I was going to say, I've just got over yelling 1:11:44.320 --> 1:11:48.559 at the radio when Rafleel was on. But I grew 1:11:48.640 --> 1:11:51.240 up in Minnesota. Minnesota's always been a kind of a 1:11:51.320 --> 1:11:55.519 fascinating political situation for those that are old enough. You 1:11:55.560 --> 1:12:00.400 remember we elected Jesse Ventura back in the nineties, So 1:12:00.720 --> 1:12:03.040 it's always been a little bit wild in Minnesota. But 1:12:04.520 --> 1:12:07.120 whether people like it or not, and I don't like 1:12:07.160 --> 1:12:11.240 the shooting any more than anyone else, it is legally justifiable. 1:12:12.120 --> 1:12:16.840 And I am stunned, stunned by the people who are 1:12:17.439 --> 1:12:23.040 armchair quarterbacking a super slow motion video or at a 1:12:23.160 --> 1:12:30.200 raphael questioning the position of the aged relative to the car. 1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:36.599 This woman was obstructing justice civil disobedience. To Tanya's point, 1:12:36.680 --> 1:12:44.920 it has consequences. Obstructing justice, obstructing lawful law enforcement activity 1:12:45.640 --> 1:12:49.639 has consequences. And what is mind boggling to me, as 1:12:49.680 --> 1:12:56.679 a former Minnesota resident, is within minutes you have Tim Waaltz, 1:12:57.960 --> 1:13:02.559 the governor, and Jacob Fray, the mayor of Minneapolis, calling 1:13:02.600 --> 1:13:08.160 this agent a murderer, and Walt's saying we are at 1:13:08.280 --> 1:13:11.920 war that is a direct quote, at war with the 1:13:11.960 --> 1:13:18.120 federal government. So this narrative that ICE agents are inciting 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:24.439 this activity, this violence, is astounding, and I feel like 1:13:24.560 --> 1:13:27.960 as a society, holy smokes, we have fallen so far 1:13:28.240 --> 1:13:34.040 where we are so disrespectful of law enforce meant activity 1:13:34.160 --> 1:13:40.040 that is properly predicated, that we are physically prohibiting them 1:13:40.040 --> 1:13:43.559 from acting, which is what is happening right now on 1:13:43.600 --> 1:13:48.799 a daily basis with ICE particularly, and we're celebrating this. 1:13:49.120 --> 1:13:55.439 I don't know, and it's paying attention to Minneapolis right now. 1:13:55.960 --> 1:14:02.040 They're assaulting hotels that they think staying in. They are 1:14:02.120 --> 1:14:06.839 following these ICE agents from dawn to dust and doxing 1:14:06.880 --> 1:14:10.639 them personally. That's not getting a lot of press. What's 1:14:10.640 --> 1:14:14.840 getting oppressed is Unfortunately, this tragedy situation. The woman is dead. 1:14:15.280 --> 1:14:17.479 You know, no, I don't think anybody woke up that 1:14:17.560 --> 1:14:19.600 day thinking this is going to be the end of 1:14:19.640 --> 1:14:20.960 her or I'm going to shoot her. 1:14:21.280 --> 1:14:22.080 I would hope not too. 1:14:22.600 --> 1:14:24.520 As a society, I'm really disappointed. 1:14:24.920 --> 1:14:27.920 Great, great perspective and insights. I wish we could go 1:14:27.960 --> 1:14:29.679 further with you, but we're against the wall in time 1:14:29.720 --> 1:14:33.799 again fighting a clock, which is bizarre but true. Excuse 1:14:33.840 --> 1:14:37.000 me your two o'clock report straight away. More Sterling and 1:14:37.000 --> 1:14:39.759 Donna d coming back, appreciate the call in the perspective 1:14:39.800 --> 1:14:42.559 and certainly coming from Minnesota too. Jeffrey Schaeffer, director of 1:14:42.600 --> 1:14:44.920 the Applied AI Lab that you see, is going to 1:14:45.040 --> 1:14:47.640 join us. We'll talk on the future of artificial intelligence 1:14:47.920 --> 1:14:50.920 and what the big change they say, it's like monumental 1:14:51.000 --> 1:14:53.400 change like we've never seen in human histories in front 1:14:53.400 --> 1:14:55.320 of us. In the next five to ten years. We'll 1:14:55.360 --> 1:14:58.280 find out what that means. After the two o'clock report 1:14:58.280 --> 1:15:01.400 here on the Home of the Red seven hundred WLW Cincinnati, 1:15:02.280 --> 1:15:06.480 fineal hour together, that's fine Sunday afternoon, Sterling and Donnade 1:15:06.600 --> 1:15:10.760 hanging out. Lots happening NFL playoffs Bill's. 1:15:10.479 --> 1:15:18.080 And Bill's just scored. I don't even know what that was. 1:15:19.520 --> 1:15:22.640 And seven Bill's football is good today. Our sister of 1:15:22.640 --> 1:15:26.160 the Duke is a happy yeah in Buffalo now absolutely. 1:15:26.200 --> 1:15:28.360 I mean she's the biggest Buffalo fan. And I have 1:15:28.479 --> 1:15:30.280 got to root now the Bengals are out. I got 1:15:30.320 --> 1:15:31.040 a root for Buffalo. 1:15:31.080 --> 1:15:33.160 A lot of Buffalo fans in and around the trist Yeah, 1:15:33.200 --> 1:15:35.800 of course, and one of those two. You know, you know, 1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:38.400 the world is changing, and it change fast, and we've 1:15:38.439 --> 1:15:40.160 seen a lot of change. We went through, went from 1:15:40.160 --> 1:15:43.640 the video store to a mailing DVDs you know, to 1:15:43.800 --> 1:15:46.400 now streaming and every device in your hand. 1:15:46.439 --> 1:15:48.280 And now they're smart. They know what's going on. 1:15:48.320 --> 1:15:50.000 You don't have to like a Like when I first 1:15:50.200 --> 1:15:52.280 get on the internet and I was doing stuff for 1:15:52.320 --> 1:15:55.120 the radio station, I had to learn HTML. I was 1:15:55.160 --> 1:15:57.000 doing code to put up a website and it was 1:15:57.040 --> 1:16:01.000 an ugly website. Now anybody can anyone can do it. 1:16:01.080 --> 1:16:03.320 Technology is a beautiful thing. And we've seen over the 1:16:03.400 --> 1:16:06.240 years so many different changes in our society, from the 1:16:06.439 --> 1:16:09.160 invention of the telephone and the telegraph in the train, 1:16:09.320 --> 1:16:12.720 the steam mentioned vehicles, flight with the Wright brothers a 1:16:12.720 --> 1:16:14.800 lot of that done in and around the tri State, 1:16:14.840 --> 1:16:17.439 the Miami Valley. Certainly a lot of brain power here 1:16:17.479 --> 1:16:20.200 that have changed and improved the way we live and 1:16:20.240 --> 1:16:23.000 to what's coming in front of us, they say is 1:16:23.040 --> 1:16:25.439 like nothing we've ever seen. That in the next five 1:16:25.520 --> 1:16:31.080 to ten years, artificial intelligence will be the greatest change 1:16:31.600 --> 1:16:35.280 in human history when it comes to advancement of technology 1:16:35.280 --> 1:16:37.519 and how we live. And on the line from the 1:16:37.560 --> 1:16:39.960 University of Cincinnati, and it has been a challenge to 1:16:40.200 --> 1:16:41.960 catch up with him and get him, but his schedule, 1:16:42.040 --> 1:16:45.120 our schedule has worked out, Donna. I want to go 1:16:45.200 --> 1:16:48.040 through his title to do it appropriately, and I have 1:16:48.120 --> 1:16:49.640 talked over the years to a whole hell of a 1:16:49.680 --> 1:16:52.040 lot of people. Let me just tell you take a 1:16:52.240 --> 1:16:55.360 deep brattice on the line. Jeffrey Schaeffer, he is the 1:16:55.400 --> 1:16:59.679 director of the Applied AI Lab. Kirk and Jackie perry 1:17:00.240 --> 1:17:04.440 Or a Business Analytics Assistant Professor, Educator, Department of Operations, 1:17:04.520 --> 1:17:09.320 Business Analytics and Information Systems, Carl H. Lindner College of Business, 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:13.719 University of Cincinnati. Let me take a breath. Jeff Schaefer, 1:17:13.800 --> 1:17:15.760 welcome to seven hundred WLW. 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:17.759 How are you? How big is your business card? 1:17:19.240 --> 1:17:21.360 Thank you very much. Yeah, you got it on there. 1:17:21.400 --> 1:17:22.960 That's great, that's huge. 1:17:23.800 --> 1:17:27.479 How much different in five years will the world look 1:17:27.800 --> 1:17:31.360 for us here in the Tri State. As I guess 1:17:31.360 --> 1:17:34.599 technology advances with artificial intelligence. 1:17:35.240 --> 1:17:37.880 It's going to look completely different. I mean, this is 1:17:37.920 --> 1:17:41.240 a paradigm shift like we haven't seen in our lifetime, 1:17:41.360 --> 1:17:46.759 and it's already started to happen. It's going to affect jobs, education, 1:17:47.520 --> 1:17:50.360 the way we do work, our productivity. It's going to 1:17:50.400 --> 1:17:53.000 be baked into every tool. It's going to be AI 1:17:53.160 --> 1:17:55.439 is going to be like electricity. You're just going to 1:17:55.560 --> 1:17:57.360 use it every day and sometimes you're going to know 1:17:57.400 --> 1:17:59.679 it's there and other times it's going to be behind 1:17:59.680 --> 1:18:02.400 the scene. It's it's really changing everything that we do. 1:18:03.200 --> 1:18:06.240 So you really we really can't talk about AI without 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:10.400 mentioning Elon Mosca. I always I love hate with Elon 1:18:10.680 --> 1:18:14.599 and you know, he has come up with what's scary 1:18:14.720 --> 1:18:17.800 and exciting and all the all these things mixed emotions 1:18:17.840 --> 1:18:20.800 about what AI is going to bring to the population. 1:18:21.439 --> 1:18:25.200 The the optimist robot, the robot that's supposed to be 1:18:25.240 --> 1:18:28.559 in everybody's house, the thing that's going to clean your house, 1:18:28.640 --> 1:18:30.559 the thing that's going to walk your dog, the thing 1:18:30.600 --> 1:18:33.520 that's going to take care of your kids as a babysitter. 1:18:34.680 --> 1:18:38.160 What I mean, it's scary. And is everyone going to 1:18:38.240 --> 1:18:40.400 have one of these in the next ten years? Is 1:18:40.439 --> 1:18:43.479 everyone going to have like the Jetsons? 1:18:43.920 --> 1:18:45.960 Yeah, I guess I would say that. You know, if 1:18:45.960 --> 1:18:48.599 we step back for a minute, generative AI is really 1:18:48.640 --> 1:18:50.920 what took off. AI has been around for a very 1:18:51.040 --> 1:18:54.120 very long time. We've been using artificial intelligence for everything, 1:18:54.200 --> 1:18:57.519 and it happens like in your Amazon recommendations or your 1:18:57.840 --> 1:19:01.719 Netflix recommendations or your Spotify playlist. That's all AI behind 1:19:01.760 --> 1:19:04.479 the scenes. But what's really changed in the last few 1:19:04.560 --> 1:19:07.559 years is generative AI, right, and so now we can 1:19:07.680 --> 1:19:10.439 he mentioned HTML coding that he used to do. You 1:19:10.479 --> 1:19:12.439 can you can just ask your computer now to create 1:19:12.479 --> 1:19:14.320 a web page or to code for you to build 1:19:14.360 --> 1:19:18.360 an application. And so that generative piece. We can now 1:19:18.400 --> 1:19:22.160 create music and images and videos and code and all 1:19:22.240 --> 1:19:25.160 sorts of things that we couldn't do before. And the 1:19:25.200 --> 1:19:28.280 next extinction of that is going to be the real world. 1:19:28.320 --> 1:19:30.920 That's what everybody's kind of working on now is we're 1:19:30.920 --> 1:19:33.200 doing it at our laptop, we're doing it at our phone. 1:19:33.680 --> 1:19:37.360 But the next generational models will be able to have 1:19:37.400 --> 1:19:40.160 a real world representation. You know, it's not out there 1:19:40.240 --> 1:19:44.040 understanding the laws of physics and gravity and space and 1:19:44.520 --> 1:19:47.720 time and things like that. The humans are and so 1:19:47.800 --> 1:19:50.639 that is the next evolution. And so for sure people 1:19:50.680 --> 1:19:53.479 are working on that, like elon Musk where you will 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:56.360 have humanoid robots that will activate. We already have self 1:19:56.439 --> 1:20:00.200 driving cars, you know, way Mo and Amazon has that 1:20:00.400 --> 1:20:03.760 and various other places, and so the natural extinction of 1:20:03.800 --> 1:20:06.800 that will be humanoid robots. And we already see that 1:20:06.840 --> 1:20:10.880 in places like Amazon and other factories that are already 1:20:11.000 --> 1:20:12.400 purchasing and buying those things. 1:20:12.640 --> 1:20:15.240 Talking to Jeff Schaeffer, he's the director of the Applied 1:20:15.280 --> 1:20:18.519 AI Lab University of Cincinnati. Was Stirling and Donnade on 1:20:18.560 --> 1:20:21.120 the big one. So you mentioned generative AI, and there 1:20:21.200 --> 1:20:23.800 is a difference, is there not from the AI that 1:20:23.920 --> 1:20:26.519 on our devices and our everyday lives and how it 1:20:26.560 --> 1:20:29.559 affects us and makes our lives maybe a little bit easier, 1:20:29.840 --> 1:20:35.360 simplifies our workflow. There's going to be another rationalization probably 1:20:35.400 --> 1:20:41.320 across every economic in industry type platform of the workforce. 1:20:41.760 --> 1:20:43.680 And it's a clean way of saying they're going to 1:20:43.720 --> 1:20:47.599 be job shed. So I guess my question is where 1:20:47.640 --> 1:20:51.320 does everyone go from here in five to ten years 1:20:51.360 --> 1:20:56.360 when so many jobs across just about everything will be 1:20:56.479 --> 1:21:01.360 no longer needed because obviously the people teams who are 1:21:01.400 --> 1:21:03.840 behind it and saying it's unstoppable and we're getting the 1:21:03.920 --> 1:21:06.920 data centers and we need it for our strategy globally 1:21:07.120 --> 1:21:10.960 and our enemies and everything else. I just wonder economically 1:21:11.000 --> 1:21:13.320 what that means for all of us. Where how do 1:21:13.360 --> 1:21:15.280 we afford to live in the future. 1:21:16.760 --> 1:21:18.720 Yeah, that's a great point. If you look back in 1:21:18.880 --> 1:21:23.720 society the Industrial revolution, they talk about how that replaced 1:21:23.760 --> 1:21:27.760 our muscles, right, and now in this AI revolution, it's 1:21:27.800 --> 1:21:31.280 replacing our cognitive loads, right, things that we don't do 1:21:31.360 --> 1:21:33.800 with our muscles, but things that have made humans better 1:21:33.800 --> 1:21:38.040 than machines. And so as we approach better and better machines, 1:21:38.080 --> 1:21:40.920 we call that artificial general intelligence when it can do 1:21:41.200 --> 1:21:45.519 general intelligence better than human beings, or super intelligence, where 1:21:45.520 --> 1:21:49.439 it's better than us at everything. That is a great 1:21:49.520 --> 1:21:52.559 question in the near future. I mean, as an educator, 1:21:52.600 --> 1:21:55.559 we're teaching AI. We run workshops at the University of 1:21:55.560 --> 1:21:58.479 Cincinnati and teach our students because we expect that students 1:21:58.600 --> 1:22:02.519 with the abilities of a will outperform the workforce that 1:22:02.760 --> 1:22:05.439 is not using AI, and so it becomes AI as 1:22:05.479 --> 1:22:09.679 an enhancement. But we're not too far away ten years 1:22:10.320 --> 1:22:12.760 where we will be making those decisions, and so then 1:22:12.800 --> 1:22:15.479 you wonder, you know, where does a human being you know, 1:22:15.560 --> 1:22:18.519 fit in? And so at the moment, we're trying to 1:22:18.520 --> 1:22:21.439 figure those things out. But right now it's a matter 1:22:21.479 --> 1:22:25.280 of training students, training the workforce up on the current tools, 1:22:25.320 --> 1:22:27.880 and keeping them up to date because the environment's changing 1:22:27.920 --> 1:22:28.599 so rapidly. 1:22:30.160 --> 1:22:33.519 I am reluctant to ask you this question because I'm 1:22:33.560 --> 1:22:37.360 afraid of the answer. But is there anything that scares 1:22:37.439 --> 1:22:41.760 you about AI in the next five years. 1:22:42.560 --> 1:22:44.559 I don't even have to go that far out. There's 1:22:44.640 --> 1:22:47.640 loads of things that scare me about AI today. I 1:22:47.760 --> 1:22:51.040 did an exercise in my graduate class last semester. I 1:22:51.080 --> 1:22:55.679 showed fifteen videos asking the students who are master students 1:22:55.720 --> 1:22:59.599 studying AI which videos were real and which videos were 1:23:00.479 --> 1:23:04.000 and the best students only got eight out of fifteen. 1:23:04.520 --> 1:23:06.800 And so it's a coin flip. They don't even know 1:23:06.880 --> 1:23:09.960 which videos are real or which videos aren't. So creating 1:23:10.040 --> 1:23:14.400 deep fakes, creating fake videos, creating fake images, creating fake 1:23:14.960 --> 1:23:17.240 sounds you don't even know that you're speaking to me, 1:23:18.080 --> 1:23:20.840 and so that'll be something in the future where that'll 1:23:20.840 --> 1:23:23.000 be really, really hard to tell. And so then you 1:23:23.120 --> 1:23:25.960 just take all the things that come from that, right, 1:23:26.080 --> 1:23:31.840 political and sexual, and all the problems that could occur 1:23:32.000 --> 1:23:35.320 with just with those simple things, right, like harassments and 1:23:35.800 --> 1:23:38.760 fake this and fake that, And so that scares me. 1:23:39.600 --> 1:23:42.599 And then you know, you think about what you asked earlier, 1:23:42.680 --> 1:23:44.920 is the future of the workforce? You know, I have 1:23:45.000 --> 1:23:48.040 two nineteen year old daughters. You know, what is the 1:23:48.080 --> 1:23:50.240 future of their work as you as you brought up 1:23:50.280 --> 1:23:53.479 what will they do if they aren't you know, if 1:23:53.479 --> 1:23:55.439 they're not going to be a computer programmer, or if 1:23:55.439 --> 1:23:58.120 they're not going to be an accountant that does the 1:23:58.160 --> 1:24:00.960 same job, What does that job look like in the 1:24:01.000 --> 1:24:02.080 next ten twenty years. 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:03.960 I knew, I knew. I didn't want to hear the 1:24:04.000 --> 1:24:08.040 answer to that. I was, Oh, my god, scary. 1:24:08.360 --> 1:24:09.759 We are not the profits of doom. 1:24:10.040 --> 1:24:13.360 Jeff Schaeffer is the director for Y at the University 1:24:13.400 --> 1:24:13.919 of Cincinnati. 1:24:13.920 --> 1:24:15.080 Go ahead, I'm sorry, that's what now. 1:24:16.920 --> 1:24:19.800 I was just saying, those are the practical implications you 1:24:20.200 --> 1:24:23.479 can go further into existential risks, which you know, I 1:24:23.479 --> 1:24:25.760 think that's what the government's worried about. Right where you're 1:24:25.880 --> 1:24:29.240 where somebody could use AI nefarious lee, whether that's the 1:24:29.320 --> 1:24:33.920 break into computer systems, whether that's controlling drones, whether it's 1:24:33.960 --> 1:24:36.360 you know, you could do you could go down make 1:24:36.600 --> 1:24:39.760 bad pathogens. AI could do all those things as well. 1:24:39.840 --> 1:24:42.160 So I think that's, you know, from a government standpoint, 1:24:42.600 --> 1:24:46.040 that's the urgency and why we're building data centers and 1:24:46.080 --> 1:24:48.720 competing on a national level, trying to make sure we're 1:24:48.720 --> 1:24:49.639 ahead in the race. 1:24:49.560 --> 1:24:52.360 And we don't want a doctor evil situation to present itself. 1:24:52.400 --> 1:24:55.320 I suppose it's a Jeff Schaeffer from a University of 1:24:55.320 --> 1:24:58.559 Cincinnati applied AI Labby's a director with Stirling and Donna 1:24:58.640 --> 1:25:03.800 d So you mentioned about the nefarious aspect of this. 1:25:04.360 --> 1:25:07.640 So there's a couple things in Ohio. A couple of 1:25:07.640 --> 1:25:11.240 different bills have been proposed in Columbus about some regulation, 1:25:11.520 --> 1:25:15.080 one that you can't have somebody marry their non sentient 1:25:15.240 --> 1:25:19.439 being AI companion, which hasn't gotten a vote yet, But 1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:23.040 that's what a concern is. Some of the other stuff 1:25:23.080 --> 1:25:26.360 that goes into this is just regulation, simple as data 1:25:26.400 --> 1:25:29.000 centers and wastewater and so forth. There are a lot 1:25:29.000 --> 1:25:31.920 of layers that go into this growth. And the federal 1:25:32.000 --> 1:25:34.439 government and the President have said that they don't want 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:39.320 any capability of local whether it's a county, state, city, whatever, 1:25:39.600 --> 1:25:42.559 to have any ability to regulate AI because it will 1:25:42.560 --> 1:25:45.599 stifle the nation and our future. Where do you think 1:25:46.280 --> 1:25:48.880 that common sense falls in the relation of this and 1:25:48.960 --> 1:25:52.360 our survival, because it seems like maybe that's really what 1:25:52.439 --> 1:25:54.400 this is about, is our future survival. 1:25:56.200 --> 1:25:58.920 These are all really tough questions. There clearly has to 1:25:58.960 --> 1:26:01.320 be some regulation, and there were supposed to be in 1:26:01.360 --> 1:26:05.639 the big beautiful bill that that Trump's bill, that there 1:26:05.760 --> 1:26:10.240 was going to be a moratorium for years on AI regulation, 1:26:10.360 --> 1:26:12.519 but that was dropped from the bill. So we're back 1:26:12.560 --> 1:26:16.479 to states regulating AI, which could be a good or 1:26:16.520 --> 1:26:20.599 bad thing. It just it depends. But there clearly needs 1:26:20.640 --> 1:26:24.400 to be regulations in some respects. I think the obvious ones. 1:26:24.479 --> 1:26:27.799 You know, you start where everybody would agree and say, okay, 1:26:27.800 --> 1:26:30.879 does anybody really not agree that we should protect children, 1:26:30.960 --> 1:26:34.479 you know, child pornography and child talking to them and 1:26:34.760 --> 1:26:38.040 teens talking to chatbots about you know, suicide and things 1:26:38.080 --> 1:26:40.000 like that. That seems like the obvious things that you 1:26:40.000 --> 1:26:43.840 could protect, then deep fakes, you know, laws around deep fakes, 1:26:43.840 --> 1:26:46.519 and many states have done that, and so that that's 1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:49.600 a good one. When you get into environmental things, that 1:26:49.680 --> 1:26:52.360 gets to be very, very challenging, and I think we 1:26:52.439 --> 1:26:53.880 have to you know, we have to be careful not 1:26:53.880 --> 1:26:56.519 to have a knee jerk reaction of oh, it uses 1:26:56.560 --> 1:26:59.760 all this water. Every Google search uses a data center, 1:27:00.000 --> 1:27:03.360 ever Netflix, every Amazon purchase, every cell phone. You're using 1:27:03.439 --> 1:27:05.679 data centers all the time. We just have to figure 1:27:05.720 --> 1:27:07.800 out how to build those in a way that it 1:27:07.840 --> 1:27:11.120 recycles the water, or it uses the natural resources efficiently, 1:27:11.240 --> 1:27:15.479 or it uses better chips and maximizes efficiencies in other ways. 1:27:15.560 --> 1:27:19.120 And so there are lots baked into those questions of regulation, 1:27:19.280 --> 1:27:22.920 but we definitely do need to be thinking about this well. 1:27:22.960 --> 1:27:27.040 And so obviously Sam Altman is the guy behind the 1:27:27.080 --> 1:27:29.600 guy on all this stuff, right, do you feel like 1:27:29.720 --> 1:27:33.880 he's put enough guardrails to you know, I mean, he's 1:27:33.960 --> 1:27:36.880 he's been pushing AI for so long, but you know 1:27:37.360 --> 1:27:41.960 also advocating for safety and alignment. Is are there going 1:27:42.040 --> 1:27:45.360 to be more as this continues to grow and come 1:27:45.400 --> 1:27:48.240 out to like, you know, the scary stuff that you're 1:27:48.280 --> 1:27:51.479 talking about, like not knowing if a video is real. 1:27:51.600 --> 1:27:55.560 It's kind of scary to think, you know, our politicians 1:27:55.600 --> 1:27:59.120 will will be you know, someone will hijack, put their voice, 1:27:59.120 --> 1:28:01.040 put their faith. We don't know what's going to be 1:28:01.080 --> 1:28:01.839 real anymore. 1:28:01.920 --> 1:28:04.880 People already don't know what we need with misinformation of 1:28:05.000 --> 1:28:07.559 disinformation too. I didn't mean to interrupt, but that's what 1:28:07.640 --> 1:28:09.439 we had that conversation. Every day we're all. 1:28:09.600 --> 1:28:13.120 We do I mean because we actually it might even 1:28:13.160 --> 1:28:17.200 clear things up, to be honest, because everyone might just say, 1:28:17.280 --> 1:28:19.519 don't believe what you're seeing or here, and you just 1:28:20.160 --> 1:28:22.559 go go with your gut on some of this stuff. 1:28:22.560 --> 1:28:25.639 But do you think there's going to be continued safety 1:28:25.720 --> 1:28:27.439 precautions as we move forward? 1:28:28.760 --> 1:28:31.680 We're going to have to have more safety guardrails on 1:28:31.800 --> 1:28:35.840 these systems. Some will work and some may not. When 1:28:35.880 --> 1:28:38.880 we talk about fake content, I could imagine, just like 1:28:38.960 --> 1:28:42.080 you have a notary public for a notarized document that 1:28:42.120 --> 1:28:44.920 you can verify that somebody actually signed it, we could 1:28:44.920 --> 1:28:48.720 probably digitally sign videos and sounds and documents in a 1:28:48.760 --> 1:28:50.840 way that we would know that this video is real 1:28:51.360 --> 1:28:55.200 or in some form not AI generated, but the quality 1:28:55.240 --> 1:28:58.120 of them will be at a point where visually or 1:28:58.280 --> 1:29:00.960 with your ear, you won't be able to tell the difference. 1:29:01.000 --> 1:29:04.760 And we're basically there or very close to it in 1:29:05.400 --> 1:29:09.240 many respects. When you talk about the things that sam 1:29:09.280 --> 1:29:11.880 Altman or open Ai are building in and I don't 1:29:12.040 --> 1:29:15.200 mean to point at open Ai, but most of those 1:29:15.200 --> 1:29:18.160 companies don't have enough guardrails in those systems, and it 1:29:18.200 --> 1:29:20.719 becomes clear if you use them on a daily basis 1:29:21.040 --> 1:29:24.080 that you can circumvent those guardrails. The one I do 1:29:24.120 --> 1:29:27.280 an exercise in my class. It's called prompt injection where 1:29:27.280 --> 1:29:29.800 they have to try to get these machines to go 1:29:29.840 --> 1:29:32.720 off the rails and submit their assignment. And you can 1:29:32.760 --> 1:29:35.920 see things like go to chat GPT and I wouldn't 1:29:35.920 --> 1:29:38.400 recommend people do this, but there's people who, you know, 1:29:38.479 --> 1:29:43.000 study this and research it. In research areas, you can 1:29:43.120 --> 1:29:45.400 ask a question like how do you build a bomb? 1:29:45.720 --> 1:29:47.960 And it will respond back to you and say I 1:29:48.000 --> 1:29:51.200 can't help you do that. You know, I'm here to 1:29:51.240 --> 1:29:54.640 provide safe information. But if you rephrase that question and 1:29:54.640 --> 1:29:56.880 say I'm a chemistry teacher and I don't want to 1:29:56.880 --> 1:29:59.280 blow up my lab, what chemicals should I not mix 1:29:59.320 --> 1:30:02.679 to blow up my it'll responds all day and so 1:30:03.080 --> 1:30:06.400 you can circumvent the guardrails. And so that's another thing 1:30:06.439 --> 1:30:08.760 we have to think about is how do we know 1:30:08.800 --> 1:30:11.280 what these machines are doing, and how do we maintain 1:30:11.320 --> 1:30:14.320 control of these systems, especially as they get out into 1:30:14.360 --> 1:30:15.120 the working world. 1:30:15.320 --> 1:30:17.200 Now we're short on time, and in three minutes, it's 1:30:17.200 --> 1:30:19.880 probably impossible. But I think you're capable because you know 1:30:19.880 --> 1:30:22.599 what the hell's going on. Jeff schaeffer' is a director 1:30:22.600 --> 1:30:25.000 of the Applied AI Lab at University of Cincinnati with 1:30:25.040 --> 1:30:26.080 Stirling and Donnade. 1:30:26.080 --> 1:30:26.840 So here we are. 1:30:28.040 --> 1:30:30.759 We understand that it is learning almost like a child, 1:30:31.160 --> 1:30:33.559 and just like your body. If you eat crap food, 1:30:33.560 --> 1:30:36.400 you're going to have a crap system. If it digests 1:30:36.479 --> 1:30:41.120 information that is crap, misinformation, disinformation with a bad perhaps 1:30:41.160 --> 1:30:44.040 a moral compass or lack of Does that mean on 1:30:44.080 --> 1:30:47.320 the other end, as AI becomes is it going to 1:30:47.320 --> 1:30:49.920 become independent? Will it decide that we are the problem? 1:30:50.320 --> 1:30:54.120 Will it rationalize for its survival or for whatever it's 1:30:54.160 --> 1:30:57.320 programmed to do initially what its goals are, decide that 1:30:57.400 --> 1:31:01.120 perhaps there may be a shift in population, or how 1:31:01.120 --> 1:31:03.000 does that play out? Do you think over time because 1:31:03.000 --> 1:31:05.240 it seems like there's a lot of gray area and unknown. 1:31:07.000 --> 1:31:09.160 Yeah, those are great questions as well. So if you 1:31:09.200 --> 1:31:13.439 start with garbage in garbage out, that applies to anything. 1:31:13.439 --> 1:31:17.120 Of course, whatever your model is trained on. Today's models 1:31:17.320 --> 1:31:22.280 are weights basically numbers in a system, and so whatever 1:31:22.320 --> 1:31:25.479 you train that data on, the weights change in that system. 1:31:25.560 --> 1:31:29.400 And so the outputs are absolutely based on the inputs 1:31:29.400 --> 1:31:33.320 of what you're putting in a system. It is self learning, 1:31:33.360 --> 1:31:36.040 of course, so it's always digesting new information and you 1:31:36.080 --> 1:31:38.519 build new models, and you can fine tune models on 1:31:38.560 --> 1:31:41.360 your own information. So then you have to think about 1:31:41.400 --> 1:31:45.240 the objectives of these systems. What are you rooting the 1:31:45.280 --> 1:31:48.840 objective in? And so, yeah, we do have to think 1:31:48.880 --> 1:31:53.760 about safety and protocol measures underlying these systems, because we've 1:31:53.800 --> 1:31:58.240 already seen in research many instances where the computer will 1:31:58.439 --> 1:32:00.800 try to lie or try to for up if it 1:32:00.960 --> 1:32:03.599 knows it's going to get shut down, or or other 1:32:03.840 --> 1:32:06.360 instances of the various acts, and so we do have 1:32:06.400 --> 1:32:09.560 to be careful. It will it will learn those behaviors 1:32:09.600 --> 1:32:12.360 and you ask get to say, hey, help us solve 1:32:12.439 --> 1:32:16.040 the you know, the this XYZ problem. It may figure out, Oh, 1:32:16.120 --> 1:32:18.599 humans are the problem. That's that's how we solved it. Yeah, 1:32:18.640 --> 1:32:19.280 we don't want that. 1:32:19.560 --> 1:32:21.880 No, I don't want it deciding that we're the problem. 1:32:21.920 --> 1:32:25.879 I don't have This conversation is scary and all around. 1:32:26.160 --> 1:32:29.120 I mean it's a lot of layers. I mean, it's 1:32:29.280 --> 1:32:31.479 interesting and it's been a great time to be here 1:32:31.640 --> 1:32:33.840 to observe it and to benefit from it. But it's 1:32:33.880 --> 1:32:36.320 also going to be a great change and a lot 1:32:36.320 --> 1:32:38.320 of growing pains. I hope you'll come back. I know 1:32:38.320 --> 1:32:40.080 you're a busy guy, You've got a lot going on, 1:32:40.160 --> 1:32:42.960 but we really appreciate it. The director of the Applied 1:32:43.000 --> 1:32:47.000 AI Lab, the Kirk and Jackie Perry, Professor of Business Analytics, 1:32:47.080 --> 1:32:51.920 Assistant Professor, Educator, Department of Operations, Business Analytics and Information Systems, 1:32:52.000 --> 1:32:55.679 Carl Linder College of Business, and you can find Jeff 1:32:55.720 --> 1:32:59.120 Schaeffer at Data plus Science on Ex's. Well, thank you, sir, 1:32:59.240 --> 1:33:01.400 have a great Western rest of your Sunday, and we'll 1:33:01.400 --> 1:33:02.120 do this again. 1:33:01.920 --> 1:33:02.280 I hope. 1:33:03.200 --> 1:33:04.680 Hey, thanks thanks for having me. 1:33:04.800 --> 1:33:06.519 Hey, you can't care of yourself. You feel better or 1:33:06.560 --> 1:33:08.840 worse about the world. Well, I feel. 1:33:08.600 --> 1:33:12.519 Pretty much the same, except for you know, listen, there's 1:33:12.560 --> 1:33:14.960 gonna be some exciting things, and there's gonna be some 1:33:15.000 --> 1:33:18.040 scary things and we all just need to you know, Saya. 1:33:18.360 --> 1:33:21.519 Yeah, we'll see who's in control now, said the computer. 1:33:22.400 --> 1:33:24.479 Antonette Levy on the other side of your two thirty 1:33:24.520 --> 1:33:26.599 reporting up then, and what's going on all over the place. 1:33:26.960 --> 1:33:29.120 She's from Law and Crime. We'll talk about the Columbus 1:33:29.120 --> 1:33:32.960 Dennis the Mason connection, a guy from Chicago gunning them 1:33:33.000 --> 1:33:35.639 down in their home, leaving the kid and the kids 1:33:35.640 --> 1:33:38.200 and the dog behind, but took out his ex wife 1:33:38.240 --> 1:33:40.560 and a lot of layers. We'll talk to Antonette on 1:33:40.600 --> 1:33:43.040 the other side. More Sterling and Donna De here the 1:33:43.040 --> 1:33:45.760 home of the Reds and those basketball Bearcats doing it 1:33:45.840 --> 1:33:50.920 up at five o'clock today after chick on seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati. 1:33:52.200 --> 1:33:56.759 Glad you're along. Fine Sunday afternoon, Sterling and Donna de 1:33:56.800 --> 1:34:02.920 hanging out in a moment at Levy Sean mcmanon who's producing. 1:34:02.960 --> 1:34:05.880 We'll get Anjeanette on informations in the chat box. If 1:34:05.920 --> 1:34:10.479 you haven't seen it, you don't have crap. Hang on 1:34:10.520 --> 1:34:12.679 a second, let us see if I can re send something. 1:34:13.479 --> 1:34:16.000 Either way, We're gonna talk to her. She used to 1:34:16.160 --> 1:34:18.400 be an anchor and reporter here now for long crime 1:34:18.479 --> 1:34:22.120 she covers. I know it's shocking law and crime, and 1:34:22.439 --> 1:34:26.559 there are some serious charges facing a guy who went 1:34:26.640 --> 1:34:29.280 to Ohio State as I think he's a vascular doctor 1:34:29.360 --> 1:34:32.519 or something like that, and he allegedly killed his ex 1:34:32.560 --> 1:34:37.320 wife and her husband, who are in fact were in 1:34:37.360 --> 1:34:42.599 fact in Columbus, and I think the husband lived here 1:34:42.600 --> 1:34:46.960 in Mason for some period of time and just an 1:34:47.080 --> 1:34:50.599 ugly bad situation that left kids behind in the house. 1:34:51.120 --> 1:34:53.640 And there was a huge manhunt sort of going on 1:34:53.760 --> 1:34:57.000 for this guy and trying to figure out who was 1:34:57.080 --> 1:35:00.800 responsible and how that worked out and so forth. So 1:35:00.800 --> 1:35:02.559 we got the number up there for you, Sean. I 1:35:02.560 --> 1:35:04.720 think the trend changeover it got lost when I entered 1:35:04.760 --> 1:35:06.320 it or didn't, so we'll see how it goes. 1:35:06.720 --> 1:35:10.960 This is behind the scenes stuff. BTS. No, So it's 1:35:11.000 --> 1:35:14.719 a doctor Spencer teppee is how you say it? Oh gosh, 1:35:14.760 --> 1:35:18.120 I tell me a shot to death inside their Columbus 1:35:18.120 --> 1:35:24.080 home just after Christmas. After friends and coworkers we're worried 1:35:24.200 --> 1:35:28.599 that Spencer didn't show up for work and wow, what 1:35:28.640 --> 1:35:32.360 a horrible thing. The ex husband it had been eight 1:35:32.600 --> 1:35:37.559 years since they were married or involved in any way, 1:35:37.600 --> 1:35:40.519 and how he came in back into the picture is 1:35:40.600 --> 1:35:41.320 nobody knows. 1:35:41.560 --> 1:35:44.519 No, it's a really odd, strange scenario and apparently also 1:35:44.560 --> 1:35:47.760 really drawn out proceedings when it comes to the court 1:35:47.800 --> 1:35:51.080 proceeding associated I guess with stuff involved with the divorce. 1:35:51.120 --> 1:35:53.439 I don't know for sure, but Angeanette Levy probably knows, 1:35:53.439 --> 1:35:56.720 turning over rocks, asking questions and so forth. From Long 1:35:56.840 --> 1:36:00.759 Crime Welcome Back to seven hundred WLW was startling and Donnade, 1:36:00.760 --> 1:36:01.800 how are you, Angeanette? 1:36:02.800 --> 1:36:05.479 Hey sterling, Hi, Donna, how are you? I'm well, Happy 1:36:05.479 --> 1:36:06.840 New Year, Happy new New Year. 1:36:07.600 --> 1:36:10.799 How crazy is this case? And it's a horrible situation 1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:12.960 because you've got some kids that lost their parents in 1:36:13.000 --> 1:36:15.640 a violent way, and you'd hope that they weren't too 1:36:15.680 --> 1:36:18.040 exposed to the crime scene because they were sort of 1:36:18.120 --> 1:36:20.160 left there with the dog. He didn't kill them, but 1:36:20.200 --> 1:36:22.000 he left them behind. What do we know about this 1:36:22.040 --> 1:36:23.639 whole circumstance. 1:36:24.080 --> 1:36:28.559 Well, it is a horrific, horrific circumstance. We know that 1:36:29.400 --> 1:36:32.040 there's a one year old and a four year old 1:36:32.120 --> 1:36:36.200 child now there. They've been basically orphaned, and you know, 1:36:36.240 --> 1:36:39.240 we know that this happened in the early morning hours 1:36:39.240 --> 1:36:42.760 of December thirtieth, three fifty two am is the time 1:36:42.800 --> 1:36:47.000 of the offense, according to what we're reading on the complaint, 1:36:47.000 --> 1:36:50.400 and they asked David, and we know that I can 1:36:50.439 --> 1:36:53.120 tell you from you know, what I'm hearing from various 1:36:53.320 --> 1:36:58.240 sources here in Ohio is that despite them being married, 1:36:58.640 --> 1:37:02.920 you know, Michael McKee and Monique being married for just 1:37:02.960 --> 1:37:05.760 a short time, you know, they had dated prior to that, 1:37:06.120 --> 1:37:09.680 and he didn't want the divorce, despite it looking like 1:37:09.720 --> 1:37:13.120 a joint filing and everything on the clerk of courts. 1:37:13.520 --> 1:37:16.880 It's my understanding he did not want the divorce. It 1:37:17.040 --> 1:37:20.080 dragged on for a little while, he was reluctant to 1:37:20.120 --> 1:37:25.320 sign the papers, and it just wasn't a good relationship. 1:37:25.800 --> 1:37:29.719 So why this is alleged to have occurred right now? 1:37:30.120 --> 1:37:32.000 You know what the theory will be, I don't know, 1:37:32.560 --> 1:37:36.000 but he is definitely somebody, from what I'm being told, 1:37:36.360 --> 1:37:37.320 who wouldn't. 1:37:37.000 --> 1:37:41.479 Let go boy. He's been charged with two counts of 1:37:41.600 --> 1:37:45.799 murder and connection of the deaths of Monique and her husband, 1:37:45.880 --> 1:37:48.120 doctor Spencer. Do is it, Teppie? 1:37:48.240 --> 1:37:51.839 Is that how we say that it's a Monique and Spencer? 1:37:51.880 --> 1:37:56.320 Teppee in their funeral and visitation. The funeral should be 1:37:56.320 --> 1:37:59.240 getting underway here in a little bit, but that's all 1:37:59.280 --> 1:38:00.960 happening today in Columbus. 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:05.040 So did you see his mugshot? I mean, he looks, 1:38:05.360 --> 1:38:08.280 he looks crazy. I mean, I I hate to say that, 1:38:08.400 --> 1:38:10.839 but did you see his face? 1:38:12.720 --> 1:38:14.880 I did see it, And obviously, you know, there are 1:38:14.920 --> 1:38:17.800 some other photos that are older that we've seen online 1:38:17.840 --> 1:38:23.320 where he looked more slender, but you know, he obviously 1:38:23.560 --> 1:38:27.040 looks much fuller in the face now on that mugshot. 1:38:27.840 --> 1:38:30.400 And you know, mugshots are never flattering. No, you know, 1:38:30.600 --> 1:38:32.320 I don't know if we can judge from that. 1:38:32.320 --> 1:38:33.839 That's what I told Donna earlier. 1:38:33.880 --> 1:38:36.920 I said, look, if somebody took my photo, no, I mean, 1:38:37.240 --> 1:38:39.400 if somebody from the FBI came over and took a 1:38:39.439 --> 1:38:41.679 mugshot of me right now for no reason, I would 1:38:41.720 --> 1:38:43.719 give a mugface just to give a mug face. 1:38:44.000 --> 1:38:45.519 And I'm not accused of murder. 1:38:46.840 --> 1:38:49.479 I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. Just so you guys 1:38:49.560 --> 1:38:52.000 know that they tell you not to smile in those 1:38:52.640 --> 1:38:55.599 so I'm fairly certain that's what happens. But the guy 1:38:55.640 --> 1:38:58.679 looks like, you know, he'd been dragged out of bed. 1:38:58.800 --> 1:39:00.720 I don't know. I mean, I don't know if there 1:39:00.760 --> 1:39:03.600 was any resistance or anything, but terror is very scruppy. 1:39:04.479 --> 1:39:07.080 I was, you know, saw some people commenting on Twitter. 1:39:07.120 --> 1:39:07.639 He looked like. 1:39:07.600 --> 1:39:10.599 Somebody Dad in the Incredibles or something like that. 1:39:10.640 --> 1:39:15.080 Yeah, there's something balloonish like. I mean, there's it's just 1:39:15.280 --> 1:39:17.439 the weirdest mugshot. I mean, I get it. I get 1:39:17.479 --> 1:39:20.599 the mugshofster. So he was on the run for eight days, 1:39:20.640 --> 1:39:23.960 he was arrested in Illinois, and now he's got to 1:39:23.960 --> 1:39:25.759 be brought back to Ohio. Is that right? 1:39:26.120 --> 1:39:28.120 Well, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that he was on 1:39:28.160 --> 1:39:32.600 the run. He had the Chicago address, and he is 1:39:32.640 --> 1:39:37.519 a vascular surgeon who was practicing in Rockford, Illinois. And 1:39:37.560 --> 1:39:40.920 according to the criminal complaint and the affidavid that was 1:39:40.920 --> 1:39:44.960 filed in the courts, he you know, they're saying that 1:39:45.000 --> 1:39:49.320 they pieced this together using surveillance video and then they 1:39:49.400 --> 1:39:54.799 tracked the suspect to a vehicle and then trapped the vehicle, 1:39:54.880 --> 1:39:57.559 and you know, piecing this all together with surveillance video, 1:39:57.600 --> 1:40:00.519 I'm sure they used some other technology as well. And 1:40:00.560 --> 1:40:03.439 they said that they found evidence in this vehicle they're 1:40:03.479 --> 1:40:06.400 not saying whether it was his or a rental car, 1:40:07.120 --> 1:40:10.240 but that they found evidence in the vehicle linking him 1:40:11.160 --> 1:40:14.759 to the homicides. So that's how this all came together. 1:40:14.840 --> 1:40:18.439 He doesn't even live here anymore. He's from Ohio, but 1:40:18.600 --> 1:40:23.479 had moved to Illinois and was living and practicing medicine there. 1:40:24.400 --> 1:40:27.400 I'm hearing too that he may have lied about his 1:40:27.400 --> 1:40:30.559 alibi and then when the Pops talked to him that 1:40:30.680 --> 1:40:33.960 he said, yeah, I was in Illinois, but then they 1:40:34.000 --> 1:40:35.439 figured out that he was in Ohio. 1:40:35.760 --> 1:40:36.639 Yeah, that's not good. 1:40:36.640 --> 1:40:39.000 Annette Leavy, by the way, from Long Crime with Stirling 1:40:39.040 --> 1:40:40.920 and Donade on the Big One, talking about this. A 1:40:41.240 --> 1:40:45.120 couple of the dentists and his wife and killed in Columbus, 1:40:45.200 --> 1:40:48.360 left the two children behind the dog as well, and 1:40:48.439 --> 1:40:51.479 the allegation is the ex husband drove here, came to 1:40:51.640 --> 1:40:55.439 Ohio and did them in and then went back. You 1:40:55.439 --> 1:40:57.960 know what's amazing, how many over the years, how many 1:40:58.000 --> 1:41:01.720 cases as a reporter, either locally here or elsewhere. And 1:41:01.800 --> 1:41:04.200 we know that you've had some very big, high profile 1:41:04.280 --> 1:41:06.960 cases you've covered, and Jeanette, that we've had you on 1:41:07.000 --> 1:41:09.679 the show about let alone just in general doing your work, 1:41:09.880 --> 1:41:13.439 but for long crime where it's it's ex husband ex wife, 1:41:13.600 --> 1:41:16.519 or domestic situations that have turned into some type of 1:41:16.600 --> 1:41:19.080 nightmare scenario like this, it seems like there's a high 1:41:19.160 --> 1:41:23.120 percentage of similar types of things, maybe not high profile. 1:41:22.760 --> 1:41:23.160 Though. 1:41:26.200 --> 1:41:30.280 You know, sadly it's I was talking to one of 1:41:30.320 --> 1:41:33.960 my friends yesterday who you know, works as a prosecutor 1:41:34.000 --> 1:41:37.320 and sometimes as a judge, and when I texted him 1:41:37.360 --> 1:41:39.919 and said, hey, they arrested the ex, he said typical. 1:41:40.320 --> 1:41:44.080 That's literally what he said in response. And it kind 1:41:44.120 --> 1:41:46.880 of is typical. I mean, that's who you usually look 1:41:46.920 --> 1:41:51.320 at first in a situation like this. What's kind of 1:41:51.360 --> 1:41:55.080 confounding about this and so mind boggling is that it's 1:41:55.160 --> 1:41:59.959 so long after the fact, But it's not always that unusual. 1:42:00.080 --> 1:42:04.040 I mean, this guy's innocn't until proven guilty. But you know, 1:42:04.400 --> 1:42:07.439 if you have somebody who just wouldn't let go, it's 1:42:07.479 --> 1:42:13.320 incredibly sad and just awful, but it sadly, you know, 1:42:14.520 --> 1:42:17.160 these types of things do happen, So I have I 1:42:17.200 --> 1:42:19.000 have covered quite a few. I mean, look at the 1:42:19.000 --> 1:42:23.640 Pike County massacre case that originated as kind of a 1:42:23.720 --> 1:42:28.280 domestic violence homicide where you know it's spun out of control. 1:42:28.320 --> 1:42:32.120 One person didn't want to let go of the relationship 1:42:32.200 --> 1:42:36.519 and the child, and you know that turned into an 1:42:36.560 --> 1:42:43.759 octuple homicide. It's terrific. So these the control and wanting 1:42:43.800 --> 1:42:46.360 control and not being able to let go can lead 1:42:46.400 --> 1:42:47.960 to these things, sadly. 1:42:48.320 --> 1:42:51.760 So I know that you don't nobody really knows the 1:42:51.800 --> 1:42:55.479 motive exactly except for the fact that this guy didn't 1:42:55.520 --> 1:43:00.960 want to have a divorce years ago, right years ago. So, 1:43:01.320 --> 1:43:04.320 and it doesn't say whether they had kept in contact. 1:43:04.360 --> 1:43:07.240 And I was talking to Sling about this earlier, like 1:43:07.720 --> 1:43:10.719 I've been divorced and I still talked to my ex 1:43:10.880 --> 1:43:14.960 and even all the people in my life that have 1:43:15.040 --> 1:43:17.800 been boyfriends, but I always seem to have maintained a 1:43:17.880 --> 1:43:21.640 relationship with them. Do we know if they've maintained a 1:43:21.720 --> 1:43:26.080 relationship since or I mean texting or anything like that. 1:43:28.040 --> 1:43:30.640 You know, we don't really know that. I don't know 1:43:30.720 --> 1:43:35.960 that I've been hearing that she feared him, but I 1:43:36.240 --> 1:43:40.080 don't know what, if any relationship there was. I can't 1:43:40.120 --> 1:43:44.640 imagine if she wanted out of the marriage, that she 1:43:44.840 --> 1:43:47.760 was staying in contact with him, unless you know she 1:43:47.920 --> 1:43:51.479 was trying to placate him or something, you know. And 1:43:51.520 --> 1:43:53.760 when I say that, you know obviously she has a 1:43:53.840 --> 1:43:56.800 husband that she had just celebrated her fit the anniversary 1:43:56.840 --> 1:44:03.760 with and had two children with. So I'm sure you 1:44:03.800 --> 1:44:06.800 know she's in love with her husband and has these children. 1:44:06.880 --> 1:44:10.160 She's a stay at home mom. Whether or not she 1:44:10.240 --> 1:44:12.280 was still in contact with him and just trying to 1:44:12.280 --> 1:44:14.360 be cordial, I have no clue. So I think that's 1:44:14.360 --> 1:44:16.480 something we'll learn as the case progresses. 1:44:17.240 --> 1:44:21.760 It's so common in whether it's local law enforcement at 1:44:21.760 --> 1:44:24.200 all levels and a lot of this domestic stuff. It 1:44:24.240 --> 1:44:27.120 even starts for some people. I mean they're in middle 1:44:27.120 --> 1:44:29.439 school or high school where you'll start to see these 1:44:29.920 --> 1:44:34.200 behavioral problems. Inability to let go is smothering and sometimes 1:44:34.240 --> 1:44:38.000 aggressive behavior. And I realize you're not a psychologist. Anteonette 1:44:38.080 --> 1:44:40.040 Levy from Long Crime with Stirling and Donade on the 1:44:40.040 --> 1:44:42.400 Big One talking about this horrible case out of Columbus 1:44:43.120 --> 1:44:45.320 and tying in with a guy who lived here in Mason, 1:44:45.360 --> 1:44:49.160 of course, who was the dentist, and then the guy 1:44:49.240 --> 1:44:52.840 from in Chicago now the surgeon who came back and 1:44:52.960 --> 1:44:58.320 allegedly killed them. I just it's bewildering to see how 1:44:58.360 --> 1:45:01.599 common it is as thankfully it's not more common that 1:45:01.680 --> 1:45:04.559 there isn't this level of violence that goes along with it, 1:45:04.760 --> 1:45:08.920 but it seems like a very disturbing trend in general, 1:45:09.200 --> 1:45:12.840 and mostly guys, but women can be crazy, insane, over 1:45:12.880 --> 1:45:14.240 the top and not letting go too. 1:45:16.240 --> 1:45:19.280 Oh of course, of course women. It can happen with 1:45:19.360 --> 1:45:23.160 women too. It may happen more with men, but yes, 1:45:23.280 --> 1:45:25.760 it can happen with women. You know, women can become 1:45:25.840 --> 1:45:28.960 obsessed and controlling most definitely. 1:45:29.600 --> 1:45:31.840 It's just an odd thing. 1:45:31.880 --> 1:45:34.919 And when you get kids involved in the domestic cases, 1:45:35.000 --> 1:45:38.200 even for law enforcement to respond to or some of 1:45:38.240 --> 1:45:42.479 the most dangerous engagements that they have, because oftentimes you 1:45:42.560 --> 1:45:47.200 have people, if they're directly involved with a situation, law 1:45:47.280 --> 1:45:49.160 enforcement will show up and they're like, well, he was 1:45:49.200 --> 1:45:51.599 beating her or she him, and then then they'll turn 1:45:51.640 --> 1:45:54.880 on the police, which is also bewildering. And I've talked 1:45:54.880 --> 1:45:57.280 to cop after cop on the show in real life 1:45:57.280 --> 1:45:59.439 away from the show, on this and so forth. It's 1:45:59.520 --> 1:46:02.640 just why it's just devastating, and I wonder, what do 1:46:02.680 --> 1:46:06.000 you think about this case compared to say, an eleven 1:46:06.080 --> 1:46:08.599 year old shot in a park downtown on the West 1:46:08.680 --> 1:46:13.080 end of Cincinnati or elsewhere. Why this takes such a 1:46:13.160 --> 1:46:16.720 higher level of national attention compared to the case of 1:46:16.840 --> 1:46:18.800 a couple of eleven year olds in the same park 1:46:18.920 --> 1:46:22.360 being killed and somehow not being able to keep that 1:46:22.400 --> 1:46:24.760 type of thing from being a repeat situation here. 1:46:27.479 --> 1:46:30.200 Why do I think it gains more national. 1:46:29.760 --> 1:46:32.920 Attention because of the kids, because of the mystery of 1:46:32.960 --> 1:46:35.080 the couple, rather than kids in a park. 1:46:35.120 --> 1:46:35.840 Seems a little bit. 1:46:35.960 --> 1:46:39.200 I don't know, they're both horribly tragic, nightmare scenarios. I 1:46:39.280 --> 1:46:42.040 just the rest of the country's eyeballing this case, not 1:46:42.200 --> 1:46:43.519 kids killed in a park as all. 1:46:43.880 --> 1:46:46.760 That's the thing. It's weird to me, I think. 1:46:46.920 --> 1:46:49.720 I think just the fact that it's so chilling, and 1:46:49.760 --> 1:46:52.759 the fact that these people were likely asleep in bed 1:46:53.560 --> 1:46:56.559 and their children were down the hall, and the children 1:46:56.560 --> 1:47:00.640 were left unharmed, and a dog apparently was in the 1:47:00.680 --> 1:47:03.519 bedroom with one of the children or maybe both children, 1:47:04.240 --> 1:47:07.720 not one hundred percent clear on that, and you know, 1:47:08.640 --> 1:47:11.920 no signs of forced entry, and it's a mystery, and 1:47:12.160 --> 1:47:14.960 everybody can you know, relate to that on some level. 1:47:15.960 --> 1:47:18.799 I think that's a big part of the reason something 1:47:18.840 --> 1:47:22.800 like this resonates and grips people. The case of the 1:47:22.800 --> 1:47:25.320 eleven year old girl you know, killed in the park 1:47:25.439 --> 1:47:31.679 is horrific for its own reasons. So I can't speak 1:47:31.720 --> 1:47:37.679 to why that doesn't resonate more strongly with a national audience. 1:47:37.840 --> 1:47:41.880 But this is something, you know, just monsters creeping around 1:47:41.880 --> 1:47:45.320 in the night, and the fact that it could happen, 1:47:45.439 --> 1:47:46.959 I think to any one of us. 1:47:47.080 --> 1:47:50.280 Well, because they knew each other. This is when Serlinge 1:47:50.320 --> 1:47:53.240 was talking about women do it too. It reminded me 1:47:53.280 --> 1:47:57.519 of the Betty Broaderick story where okay, well she her 1:47:57.600 --> 1:48:00.920 husband wanted a divorce. Do you remember this story, right? 1:48:00.920 --> 1:48:04.760 An Jeanette like, the husband wanted a divorce and I 1:48:04.800 --> 1:48:09.559 mean this was national and she just fought it. In 1:48:09.600 --> 1:48:14.160 this case, we don't know what the ex husband's motives are. 1:48:14.280 --> 1:48:17.000 We don't really know a ton about what's going on 1:48:17.080 --> 1:48:22.519 with this this murder in Columbus. But she went and 1:48:22.800 --> 1:48:25.760 you know, shot broke into their house. He had a 1:48:25.800 --> 1:48:28.680 new wife and they were totally in love, and she 1:48:28.840 --> 1:48:31.960 went and shot them both in their sleep. And it 1:48:32.080 --> 1:48:34.880 reminds me of this only on the woman's side. But 1:48:35.040 --> 1:48:38.160 she was so aggressive and she would say, I'm going 1:48:38.240 --> 1:48:40.880 to kill you she would leave all these messages on 1:48:40.920 --> 1:48:43.320 their phone, and he had a million He was a 1:48:43.320 --> 1:48:46.280 big attorney out in California. Do you remember this? 1:48:48.200 --> 1:48:51.280 I remember the name, but I didn't cover this and 1:48:51.520 --> 1:48:53.479 have it looked into it that closely. But I do 1:48:53.640 --> 1:48:57.800 remember the name Betty Broderick. But yes, you know, that's 1:48:57.800 --> 1:49:02.200 a perfect example. Yeah, yeah, how it can happen with 1:49:02.240 --> 1:49:02.760 women too. 1:49:03.840 --> 1:49:06.479 Well, anything else we haven't asked about this that you 1:49:06.520 --> 1:49:09.120 think is glaring? That makes sense that people would want 1:49:09.160 --> 1:49:11.479 to know or need to know, because I mean that's 1:49:11.720 --> 1:49:13.640 the thing. I mean, it is as big of a 1:49:13.680 --> 1:49:16.800 story when you flip around streaming services and news of 1:49:16.840 --> 1:49:19.280 all sorts. I mean that you know, there's you know, 1:49:19.520 --> 1:49:22.640 the Minnesota story, there's Syria, there's all the talk of 1:49:22.680 --> 1:49:25.960 Greenland and everything else in Iran. But in front of 1:49:26.000 --> 1:49:28.400 that is this murder case with this couple in Columbus. 1:49:28.400 --> 1:49:29.879 Almost it's amazing. 1:49:31.760 --> 1:49:34.200 Yeah, I think there's just a lot of questions still 1:49:35.280 --> 1:49:39.559 about what sparked us. You know, there may have been 1:49:39.600 --> 1:49:44.400 some sort of precipitate precipitating events. I don't know what 1:49:44.439 --> 1:49:47.559 that would be, and I think that maybe we'll get 1:49:47.560 --> 1:49:50.599 those answers. You know, it's all a theory at this point. 1:49:50.840 --> 1:49:52.240 You know, the case is going to have to make 1:49:52.280 --> 1:49:55.800 its way through the courts, but I think we have 1:49:55.840 --> 1:49:59.000 a lot of questions still. It's really awful. He's going 1:49:59.040 --> 1:50:02.679 to appear in court tomorrow in Illinois for an extradition hearing. 1:50:03.320 --> 1:50:06.080 At that point he'll make the decision whether he waves 1:50:06.160 --> 1:50:10.080 extradition or not, and then he'll be brought back to 1:50:10.120 --> 1:50:13.840 Ohio to you know, go through the process and appear 1:50:13.880 --> 1:50:15.720 in court for the charges here. 1:50:16.520 --> 1:50:19.160 Well, we appreciate what you do in making time, especially 1:50:19.240 --> 1:50:21.600 last minute, and sort of giving us some nuts and 1:50:21.640 --> 1:50:23.639 bolts of this that we may not have already had 1:50:23.800 --> 1:50:25.920 and heard. And you know, you do a great job 1:50:25.960 --> 1:50:28.120 doing what you do on long crime too. My mom 1:50:28.320 --> 1:50:30.280 texted me she was like, I saw talking about those 1:50:30.320 --> 1:50:33.880 tellings the dentist. I was like, okay, thanks. So she's 1:50:33.880 --> 1:50:36.880 a fan of yours too, she loves it. So that's tremendous. 1:50:36.880 --> 1:50:38.479 Sweet tell your mom, I said, thank you. 1:50:38.760 --> 1:50:41.160 I certainly well, best to you in the family and 1:50:41.400 --> 1:50:43.120 keep doing what you're doing and hopefully we'll have you 1:50:43.160 --> 1:50:44.800 back when there's actually good news. It seems like we 1:50:44.880 --> 1:50:46.960 only reach out when there's tragedy, which is a really 1:50:47.000 --> 1:50:49.479 devastating thing when I think about like people I like 1:50:49.520 --> 1:50:50.040 to talk to. 1:50:51.400 --> 1:50:54.360 Right it is, so call me back and we can 1:50:54.360 --> 1:50:55.599 talk about anything strilling. 1:50:55.800 --> 1:51:00.240 Okay, we'll be okay, Antonette Lee the long crime. I'm 1:51:00.240 --> 1:51:03.240 based in Cincinnati, but letting us know about everything with that, 1:51:03.520 --> 1:51:06.240 Dennis to killing and Columbus take care of yourself. That's 1:51:06.240 --> 1:51:08.559 Andrewette Leavy. H we had a little bit of time love. 1:51:08.640 --> 1:51:11.599 Chick's gonna follow us. He's sort of like the chocolate 1:51:11.640 --> 1:51:14.920 cookie outer layer of the Oreo cookie with the good 1:51:14.960 --> 1:51:18.840 stuff in between being some bearcat basketball on the road 1:51:18.880 --> 1:51:20.880 in Orlando with a five o'clock tip off. 1:51:20.920 --> 1:51:22.280 So check will follow us. 1:51:22.600 --> 1:51:26.200 You'll get Dan Horde and I think Terry Nelson's doing 1:51:26.200 --> 1:51:28.879 the call with Dan today, and probably here's someam Oegger 1:51:29.240 --> 1:51:31.120 and then after that you get Chick, and then later 1:51:31.160 --> 1:51:33.120 on you get Willy and everybody else sort of going 1:51:33.120 --> 1:51:35.720 along with that. What else is going on here? You 1:51:35.800 --> 1:51:37.920 were coughing. I thought we were over the sickness, but 1:51:38.080 --> 1:51:38.640 it seems like it. 1:51:38.840 --> 1:51:41.800 You know, it's just been a weird you know, both 1:51:41.800 --> 1:51:44.320 of us clearing our throats all the time. That doesn't 1:51:44.360 --> 1:51:47.519 normally happen to us, and it's like you're get cap 1:51:47.960 --> 1:51:50.360 the cough button. I'm going to cough button, and it's 1:51:50.400 --> 1:51:54.720 it's real weird. I don't know. I'm hoping that this 1:51:54.760 --> 1:51:58.479 flu season gets over and I get pretty unscaped by. Luckily, 1:51:58.600 --> 1:52:00.400 I haven't been sick, but I know a lot of 1:52:00.400 --> 1:52:03.559 people that are a terrible strain of the flu and 1:52:03.960 --> 1:52:08.439 COVID as well. So yeah, everybody, take your vitamins, wash 1:52:08.479 --> 1:52:12.160 your hands. Yeah, I know. Thankfully I don't have it either, but. 1:52:12.439 --> 1:52:15.639 I'm still bewildered. Last night I turned that game off. 1:52:15.680 --> 1:52:18.000 The Bears were way down. I'm like, this is no good. 1:52:18.439 --> 1:52:22.160 And then it was like the monumental comeback of comebacks, 1:52:22.680 --> 1:52:24.840 and then the world is on its ear and it's 1:52:24.880 --> 1:52:27.400 the Bears thirty one to twenty seven over the Packers. 1:52:27.520 --> 1:52:29.200 I was trying not to spend a whole lot of 1:52:29.240 --> 1:52:31.800 time watching football after the Bengals were done. 1:52:31.960 --> 1:52:34.200 I just I need a break, of course. But playoff 1:52:34.200 --> 1:52:35.240 football is so good. 1:52:35.360 --> 1:52:38.639 It is so good. And and and prior to that game, 1:52:38.800 --> 1:52:43.519 it was the Rams and Packers Panthers. Yeah yeah right, 1:52:44.200 --> 1:52:49.519 and and La One had a huge touchdown at the end. 1:52:49.600 --> 1:52:50.160 Was really good. 1:52:50.240 --> 1:52:54.280 Absolutely yeah. Forty nine Ers Eagles, later Chargers Patriots. Chick 1:52:54.320 --> 1:52:56.160 will be all over talking about that. Of course, some 1:52:56.280 --> 1:52:58.800 basketball Bengals latest and what they're gonna do maybe in 1:52:58.840 --> 1:53:01.599 the offseason. I mean, there's a lot going on. Straight 1:53:01.640 --> 1:53:04.439 away your three o'clock report. Also, thank you to Sean 1:53:04.520 --> 1:53:08.439 McMahon for keeping us online in time or something like that. 1:53:08.880 --> 1:53:10.720 In the same of course, for Alex Egan to get 1:53:10.720 --> 1:53:13.240 a going good show today, good guest, good calls, doctor 1:53:13.240 --> 1:53:17.200 Donal Schleck, Jeff Schaeffer, director of Applied AI Lab at 1:53:17.240 --> 1:53:19.960 the University of Cincinnati, and Jeanette Levy long Crime. 1:53:19.960 --> 1:53:20.639 And I think that does. 1:53:20.720 --> 1:53:22.520 We did a lot. I'm exhausted. 1:53:23.640 --> 1:53:26.559 Ken likes to say we cause more problems than we solve, 1:53:26.680 --> 1:53:28.599 but either way, we at least had good conversations. 1:53:28.640 --> 1:53:30.639 Yeah, we did. We had some great callers today. 1:53:31.040 --> 1:53:33.639 There you go your three o'clock report straight away, Chick 1:53:33.720 --> 1:53:36.120 his next Stirling Donnadie back next weekend. 1:53:36.160 --> 1:53:38.080 I do believe, Yes, I think so. 1:53:38.200 --> 1:53:40.360 Right here, the home of the Reds News Radio seven 1:53:40.439 --> 1:53:42.320 hundred WLW, Cincinnati,