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Speaker 1: My Billy Cunningham, the Great America. Welcome this Thursday afternoon

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Speaker 1: of the tri State basketball. Last night was great for UC,

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Speaker 1: not good thought so well for Xavier. UC beats former

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Speaker 1: national champion Baylor Bears take them apart. Then Xavier Xavier

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Speaker 1: goes to Seaton Hall and gets drilled. I think that're

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Speaker 1: the pirates, but I'm not sure Seaton Hall took care

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Speaker 1: of them. We'll see what happens down the road. A

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, the headfoot head basketball coach at UC,

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Speaker 1: Wes Miller, was going to be fired. Now they want

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Speaker 1: a contract extension for west Miller, so we'll see what

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Speaker 1: happens with that. But yesterday I try to monitor everything simultaneously,

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Speaker 1: see what's going on in the world. So the Power

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Speaker 1: of five they're great street reporter. One of them is

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Speaker 1: Karen Johnson, and she found herself about eighty miles north

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Speaker 1: in Springfield, Ohio, I think the home of Wittenberg University

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Speaker 1: in Clark County, in which there's rumors afoot. That's some

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Speaker 1: thirty to fifty and Haitians are going to lose their

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Speaker 1: TPS status on wednes Wednesday of next week. Joining US

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Speaker 1: now is the same Karen Johnson and Karen Johnson. First

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Speaker 1: of all, a report to the American people. What you

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Speaker 1: found in Springfield, Ohio with the Haitians if anything?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hi, Willie, you know, we were up in Springfield yesterday.

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Speaker 2: You know, for the last few years, there's been a

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Speaker 2: lot of talk about the Haitian community. It's one of

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Speaker 2: the largest communities of Haitians in Ohio. And temporary protected

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Speaker 2: status runs out February third. There was a lot of

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Speaker 2: talk that maybe ICE will be coming in on February fourth,

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Speaker 2: and we were able through a public records request to

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Speaker 2: Springfield City School staff from the superintendent saying that they

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Speaker 2: he met with state leadership led by Governor Dwine and

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Speaker 2: ICE surge may begin February fourth and continue for about

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Speaker 2: thirty days. So obviously we were like, all right, is

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Speaker 2: this actually happening. So we went up there just to

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Speaker 2: talk to people, and what I found was a lot

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Speaker 2: of people in the Haitian community are on pins and

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Speaker 2: they could be deported. They're here legally but once February

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Speaker 2: third hits and their status runs out, they don't know

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Speaker 2: what's going to happen. And then if ice comes in,

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Speaker 2: you know, they could be deported. So that's where everything

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Speaker 2: lies right now. Talking to Governor Dwine's office, talking listening

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Speaker 2: to the City commission meeting, they did keep saying over

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Speaker 2: and over, nothing is confirmed. At this point, nothing is confirmed.

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Speaker 2: We don't know if this is going to happen, but

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Speaker 2: it is a possibility. So that's where we stand right now.

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Speaker 1: Can we go back in time? How did this happen

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Speaker 1: in the first place? How did tens of thousands of

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Speaker 1: Haitians and a terrible country terrible porter prints? I know

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Speaker 1: something about the history the TPS status. Normally it's a

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Speaker 1: reserved for those who temporarily need help from a foreign country.

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Speaker 1: There's about ten designated. Haiti is one of them. They

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Speaker 1: TPS status, and every one to two years later it

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Speaker 1: was simply renewed, renewed, renewed. Some have been here for

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Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty years, others sister arrived in the last

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Speaker 1: why Haitians from proto prints ended up in Springfield, Ohio.

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Speaker 2: You know what? That was the question by photographer and

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Speaker 2: I were trying to figure out. We don't know what

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Speaker 2: brought them to Springfield specifically. You know, Columbus also has

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Speaker 2: a very large Haitian population. I don't know why they

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Speaker 2: brought in, you know, the status and I'd say about

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Speaker 2: twenty thousand was the last essiment I had that are

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Speaker 1: But they knew that they had temporary protective status that

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Speaker 1: would end. And they were told months and months and

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Speaker 1: I'd rather be here than importer Prince Haiti.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you have to keep in mind it is

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Speaker 2: and everything you read stresses that. So I think coming

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Speaker 2: In the past it was renewed, it was extended. This

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Speaker 1: So at this point, the mayor, a guy named Rob Rue,

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Speaker 1: That is I have a quote here. I talked to

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Speaker 1: for the Haitians who are working sometimes two jobs, supporting

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Speaker 1: leave the country. The governor wants to protect the Haitians.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me? I like Mike. I've always liked Mike,

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Speaker 1: known him for fifty years, since he started a course

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Speaker 1: in Green County. He's got a big heart. In fact,

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Speaker 1: he had an orphanage in Porto Prince that he financially

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Speaker 1: But does it to help them to have the governor

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you know Dwine does have a voice

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Speaker 2: You know if you are close to him. But it

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Speaker 2: big heart. He and fran You know the children, and

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Speaker 2: when you look you were talking about the Haitian community

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Speaker 2: being intertwined in Springfield. They really are talking to residents

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Speaker 2: who are not Haitian who live there. That's you know what,

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Speaker 2: that's my neighbor. She's a nurse. That's my other neighbor.

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Speaker 2: He's an educator. So they really have intertwined themselves in

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Speaker 1: And I'm told by the AG's office that Clark County

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Speaker 1: Haitians that are committing crimes are deported, which is unlike Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: In Minnesota, it appears I watched last night's I Get

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Speaker 1: And there's fourteen hundred criminals locked up in the Minnesota

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Speaker 1: And Governor Waltz will not allow the ICE to take

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Speaker 1: which means you got to look forward, you got to

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Speaker 1: look behind you. Unlike that. In Clark County, I'm told

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Speaker 1: by the AG's office they work hand in glove with

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Speaker 1: is locked up, they're deported. Did you find that to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, that doesn't surprise me. One thing

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Speaker 2: I did find that was interesting from talking to people

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Speaker 2: Go after the criminals, just don't go after the mother

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Speaker 2: sending their kids to school. You know, in every community

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Speaker 2: there are going to be bad apples. And the folks

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Speaker 1: So you're saying, Haiti Haitians in Springfield, Ohio, I think

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Speaker 1: I've been there one time. The Haitians in Springfield want

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Speaker 1: ICE to deport Haitian criminals. Unlike in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: That was my takeaway. Now, maybe not every single Haitian

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Speaker 1: Now here's another factor. I talked to someone in Mike

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Speaker 1: DeWine's office who said a big problem is many Haitians,

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Speaker 1: young twenty and thirty year old and teenage girls have

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Speaker 1: and Franklin County that are US citizens at least this point.

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Speaker 1: Birthright citizenship is something the US Supreme Court's not taken

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Speaker 1: up yet. We think the Civil Rights Act of eighteen

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Speaker 1: he's concerned, there's literally hundreds of children of Haitian descent

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Speaker 1: and me. And as Tony Bender tells me, the game

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Speaker 1: is played that if you're a female type Hatian and

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Speaker 1: You got Medicaid, you got food stamps, you got Section

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Speaker 1: eight housing and other disability programs. And therefore, after a

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Speaker 1: and you did reporting on the superintendent of schools who

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Speaker 1: sent a letter. There's a chunk of kids in the

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Speaker 1: public school. You can kind of identify a Haitian, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You can say there's a Haitian

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Speaker 1: right there. They know the Haitian population. Some are US citizens,

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Speaker 1: some are not. And Mike DeWine is concerned that children's

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Speaker 1: If mom and dad goes back to Porter Prince. You

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Speaker 2: I mean, children's services all over the state are overwhelmed

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Speaker 2: I think that was the purpose of the superintendent setting

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Speaker 2: he just wants like teachers and staff to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, Governor Mike DeWine believes they should stay,

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Speaker 1: country or under temporary TPS status. The NGOs made a

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Speaker 1: We need two to three hundred people on the plane.

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Speaker 1: Most of those individuals have never been on a plane

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Speaker 1: Now it's the end of the road. It's temporary, temporary, temporary, temporary.

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Speaker 1: But we ought to be able to choose who's coming here.

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Speaker 1: a problem in Springfield, but we got to run. Karen Johnson,

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Speaker 1: you'll followed up on this next week. Is that fair

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Speaker 2: Yep, we'll be watching this closely and see what happens.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it'll look like Minnesota. But it could

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Speaker 1: Karen Johnson, give my best to Sri Palelo and Mike

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Speaker 1: Dartis and the Power of five. Will you please, and

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Speaker 1: also Brian Hamrick, I like everybody a Channel five. Thank

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Speaker 1: For years we've been telling Haitians, Mauritanians and Somalis, well,

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Speaker 1: Five point three seven four nine seven thousand, Bill Cunningham,

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