1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: Man Johnny Athletic will join at the five point thirty 2 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: tonight Ben Lieber later in the four o'clock our Kyle Potter, 3 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: Thrifty Traveler Guy now joins us via the Connecticot Water 4 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: Systems Hotline on a day where there is some aviation 5 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: news that we wanted to get to with him. Welcome 6 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: back to the program. I hope you had a great 7 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: holiday slash New Year. 8 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: Well, I just need to back up a second. Did 9 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: you just call me thrifty traveler guy in the vein 10 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 2: of John Kabinski ap sports guy. 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: Yes, in that sense, that's the highest compliment I can 12 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: give when you become a guy that's gold for the 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: on the Bumper to Bumper program. 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 3: It's not just in any way, just bear. 15 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 4: It's more more than Delta sky miles. 16 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: Same, a little bit higher, a little bit higher. 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: You want, well, so you want a more specific moniker. 18 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: It's like platinum medallion statu Yeah, well, we can work 19 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 3: on it. 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: I know, I wanted to make sure I heard you 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: right now. I got to grab a Kleenex and white boy, 22 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: it's here. I appreciate it. 23 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: You're more than welcome, all right, So I know, I 24 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: literally know. I don't say nothing because I've read some headlines. 25 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: In fact, I've looked at some stuff that you guys 26 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: have put together at your site. But what is the 27 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: news regarding the acquisition of sun Country Airlines? Who is 28 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: Allegiant air what's the cosmic meaning of it all? 29 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: Just a just a couple of questions there, that's my forest, 30 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: you know what this this kind of came out of nowhere. 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: Yesterday Allegiant and sun Country announced that Allegiant, and I 32 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: want to stress this, Allegiant is acquiring sun Country. This 33 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: is in some kind of cooperative merger. I mean, they're 34 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: certainly cooperating on this deal, and Sun Country worked with 35 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: them for many months to make this happen. But at 36 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: the end of the day, in a couple of years, 37 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: Sun Country will functionally no longer exist. It will all 38 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: be folded under the umbrella of a Legion, which, like 39 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: Sun Country, is a low cost carrier, lower fares, higher fees, 40 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: fees for everything, and kind of a quirky year though 41 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: in this case profitable way to run an airline. And 42 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: I think, just to step back for one second, I mean, 43 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: sun Country is a small airline in the grand scheme 44 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: of things. They don't even crack the top ten airlines 45 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: in the country. But for us here in Minnesota, I mean, 46 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: this has been a household name for more than four decades, 47 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: so this is a big change it. 48 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: There's always the question. 49 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: I think the early press release stuff has been we're 50 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: going to maintain a very significant presence in you know, Minneapolis, 51 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: Saint Paul, in this market. Sometimes that turns out to 52 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: be true. Many times it turns out to be inevitably false. 53 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: What do we think about that aspect of the story. 54 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 2: You know, we've had basically all of twenty four hours 55 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: to process this, so you know, let's stress both Allegiant 56 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: and some country And I spoke with some countries CEO 57 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: Jude Bricker just a couple hours ago. They have repeatedly 58 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: insisted that nothing is changing in Minneapolis, but they're going 59 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: to maintain a significant presence here and in fact that 60 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: they will expand over time as a result of, you know, 61 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: turning two airlines into one here in Minneapolis. That said, 62 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: twenty plus years of consolidation of mergers and acquisitions in 63 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: the airline industry shows us that there's always another shoe 64 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: that's going to drop. Sure, it might take months, it 65 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: might take years, Hey, take a decade, But this one 66 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: is particularly strange and in some ways worrisome because while 67 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: they're both low cost carriers, a legion is just an 68 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: entirely different animal than Sun Country, and over time, I'm 69 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: not entirely confident right now that they're going to be 70 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: willing to pick off entirely where Sun Country is going 71 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: to leave off. 72 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: I want to read you from the story you guys 73 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: put together at least one of them on this story, 74 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: to get to drill a little deeper on it. You right, 75 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: This merger is just the latest sign of turbulence in 76 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: the US is low cost carrier market, which has fallen 77 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: out of favor in the pandemic travel boom. Spirit Airlines 78 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: is in its second round of bankruptcy proceedings and in 79 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: another run of the rumor miill about an acquisition by Frontier. 80 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: Sun Country has been far more successful posting profits for 81 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: years is a challenge Delta's dominance in Minneapolis out into 82 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: flying packages for Amazon and ferrying college football teams and 83 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: professional soccer squads across the country. Sunday surprise merger announcement, however, 84 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: could change everything. 85 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: How So, this. 86 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: Is where it comes to you know, both a the 87 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: overarching skepticism about consolidation being pro consumer, which every airline, hack, 88 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 2: every company that participates in a mergerer acquisition parrots that line. 89 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: It's always pro consumer. So I think everybody should always 90 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: take that with a grain of salt, regardless of who's 91 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: saying it. But getting to the specifics of how Allegiance 92 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: and sun Country are different, you know, sun Country has 93 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: really carved out a niche. It has relished its role 94 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: as a competitor to Delta here in Minneapolis. That by 95 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: offering you know, seventy nine fifty nine, one hundred and 96 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: nine dollars one wayfares and charging more for bags and 97 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: seat assignment and all of that, that they gave Minnesota 98 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: travelers an alternative to Delta. But maybe more importantly in 99 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 2: doing so, they forced Delta to compete more on price. 100 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: Because Sun Country is selling those seventy nine dollars fares, 101 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: you know, from Minneapolis to Orlando or down to Phoenix. 102 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: That means that Delta, you know, it certainly isn't going 103 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: to sell those fares for seventy nine bucks, but maybe 104 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: one hundred and nine or two hundred and nine instead 105 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: of the four hundred and nine dollars fare that they 106 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: want to charge. So that has been just so so important, 107 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: especially because that's really the only competition in town here 108 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: in Minneapolis, where Delta otherwise pretty much has a stranglehold. 109 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: Allegiant doesn't do that. Allegiance entire DNA's entire business model 110 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: is built around flying routes where there is no competition period, 111 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: because then that way they have a monopoly and they 112 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 2: can charge whatever they want. Now, those fares are low, 113 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean that they're going to be lower. 114 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: And so the big question that I have right now is, 115 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: you know, this transaction gets finalized and these two airlines 116 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: figure out how to fit all the pieces together in 117 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: the long term, is whether Allegiant is going to have 118 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: the stomach to go up against Delta and also whether 119 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: Delta is going to let them do it, because if 120 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: either of those, you know, end up in a no, 121 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: we could be in a pretty rough place air of 122 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: pairwise here in Minneapolis. 123 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to ask you next, 124 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: Actually is I mean, do you think, based on what 125 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: we know about Allegiance to Delta that this acquisition I 126 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: guess it's still us to technically be approved. Will this, 127 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: will they fear this, or will they actually I would say, 128 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: welcome it, but view it as a better advantage for 129 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: them than when they were dealing simply with Sun Country. 130 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 3: As we define sun. 131 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: Country, I mean, I'll put it this way. Smaller airlines 132 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: are always less of a threat, and Sun Country is 133 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: significantly smaller than a legion alone. Combined with Sun Country's 134 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: presence here and you know the strength of its brand, 135 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: you know that people do generally speaking enjoy or at 136 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: least tolerate flying Sun Country, They're going to be more 137 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: of a threat if they hold the same shape that 138 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: they have now in Minneapolis. So I have a hard 139 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: time seeing Delta being thrilled with this As all of 140 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: this stuff comes together in the coming months and years. 141 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 2: You know, there's also a piece that you know, in 142 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: many cases, Sun Country's presence here and the fact that 143 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 2: it really did kind of dominate the lower cost part 144 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 2: of the travel market here in Minneapolis in many ways 145 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: made it much harder for Southwest, a much much bigger airline, 146 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: to grow, and made it harder for Spirit and Frontier 147 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: to add additional service because Sun Country already had those 148 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: loyal customers. So what else was there for them to gain. 149 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: I wonder, and I truly don't know whether that mindset 150 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: is going to change once allegiance takes hold. 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There will be potential job losses 170 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: in Minnesota in the hundreds plus Humphrey Terminal maybe a 171 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: billion dollar white elephant. What's your response to those observations. 172 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: You know, I'll start with the second half of that 173 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: verst of Terminal two being a billion dollar white elephant. 174 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: In the absolute worst case doomsday scenario, Delta puts the 175 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: screws to Allegiant or Allegiant just withdrawals altogether, which I 176 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: just want to say, I don't think there is really 177 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: any risk of that happening. Whether they get smaller in 178 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: Minneapolis is another question, but the fact the idea that 179 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: they would leave all together, I just don't think is 180 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: within the realm of possibility. That is the worst case 181 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: scenario in terms of job losses. And I did speak 182 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 2: with sun Country earlier today. The expectation right now, and 183 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: you know again this is we're twenty four hours after 184 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: this was announced. There's a lot to work out in 185 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: the coming months and even years, but the expectation right 186 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: now is that anybody working on the front lines for 187 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: sun Country, so pilot, flight attendant, ground crew, whatever they're 188 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: they're still going to have a job with this combined airline, 189 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 2: where there certainly will be job losses, as there is 190 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: any time two airlines or two companies become one is 191 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: on the management side of the business, and I don't 192 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: know what those numbers are going to look like. I 193 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: don't even know that sun Country knows for sure exactly 194 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: what those numbers are going to look like right now. 195 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: There's going to be a lot of work that needs 196 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 2: to be done in order to figure that out. 197 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: Seven six three Guy rights, as a loyal sun Country customer, 198 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: what would Kyle recommend doing with the rewards people have 199 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: via sun Country? 200 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 3: That's from Derek. 201 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, So in the short term, I mean, I think, 202 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: as with any airline, mileage currency or hotel points or whatever, 203 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 2: you shouldn't sit on them because they just become less 204 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 2: and less valuable over time as airlines start to play 205 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: with the value of these things. So I think the 206 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 2: best thing to do, regardless is just to use the 207 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: points that you have right now for a flight. If 208 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: you don't use everything, or if you just don't have 209 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: a way to do so. I would expect that as 210 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: you know, these two airlines figure out how they're going 211 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: to cooperate and merge these systems, those will map over 212 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: to Allegiant points. That said, I personally would rather use 213 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: my sun Country points now rather than wait for that 214 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: day to come. 215 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: Is it possible that this will mean more routes for 216 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: smaller Minnesota airport's e g. 217 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: Saint Cloud, Yes and no, It's it's tough to say 218 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: right now. One strange wrinkle with Allegiant is that, at 219 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: least today they just flat out do not sell connecting itineraries. 220 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: They will not, since no tell you a flight with 221 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 2: a connection, you have to book a NonStop flight. Though 222 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 2: currently it doesn't seem possible that a Legion would offer 223 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: service from say Saint Cloud to Minneapolis and then onward. 224 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: Now that it could of course change. And I think 225 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: the bigger question is whether as a result of this, 226 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 2: Sun Country winds up, you know, adding more flights than 227 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: I think the two destinations they currently serve from Saint Cloud. 228 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: I think that's an open question. I certainly wouldn't rule 229 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 2: it out. 230 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: Let me go, the Sun Country has the exact same, 231 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: the same exact flight to Lax one hundred and twenty 232 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: dollars at Deltas for four fifty I've taken this flight 233 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: dozens of times. Over the years, would hate to be 234 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: forced to stomach Delta's ridiculous prices. You've talked a little 235 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: bit about this. Let me expand it. I think I've 236 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: asked you this a couple of times over the years. 237 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: So is there any way, any feasible way in the 238 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: next five to ten years that another major carrier could 239 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: find its way into this market or does that literally 240 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: become a lifetime that No, it's going to be a 241 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: Delta town. You know, Northwest before obviously Delta. Now, just 242 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: like in Chicago, it's you know, mainly United an American, 243 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: and that's just there's just no way for any any 244 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: powerful airline to make a change to create that kind 245 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: of competition. 246 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: I don't see it. I think Minneapolis will continue to 247 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 2: be a Delta game with seventy plus percent of flights 248 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: and hopefully, you know, fifteen, maybe even twenty percent someday 249 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: offered by another carrier like Allegiant or something like it. 250 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: It's just this industry is so cutthroat that any airline, 251 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: especially the big ones who have the weight to throw 252 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: around to really make a big dent. You know, so 253 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: for example, Southwest or United or to a lesser than 254 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 2: American they have about a billion better choices to make 255 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: to make more money than throwing themselves into Minneapolis and 256 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: trying to establish a foothold. So unless, if you know, 257 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: Delta States really turned, which you can never rule out, 258 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: but it would take a lot for Delta to be 259 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: weak enough for another major carrier to look at Minneapolis 260 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: and say, you know what, now is our time? 261 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 3: What do we how big is Allegiant and what do 262 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 3: we know about it? 263 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: So Allegiance is still pretty small, you know, they're they're 264 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: barely in the top ten airlines in the United States, 265 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: and for some important context, even combined or sun Country 266 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: with Allegiance, they still will be about half the size 267 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:13,359 Speaker 2: of Spirit Airlines, and they'll still be significantly smaller than Frontier. 268 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: Like those two. Allegiant is an ultra low cost carrier, 269 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: so cheaper ticket prices, but higher fees for everything from 270 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 2: feed assignments to check bags to carry on. They also, 271 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: unlike sun Country, charge for even a glass of water 272 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: on board and soft drinks. So in a matter of 273 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: you know, maybe months, but potentially more, you'll no longer 274 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: be getting drinks for free on some country. We don't 275 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 2: know exactly when that will happen. But that is kind 276 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: of the hallmark of what Allegiance does. In addition to 277 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: you know, that real emphasis on flying between small cities 278 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: and you know, destinations in the southern part of the 279 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: United States. 280 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: Somebody from the two one eight area code rights, how 281 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: about big pictures. Sun Country has been a huge company 282 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: slash employer in Minnesota. You can call it merger by 283 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: out whatever fact is. This is another Minnesota company, no 284 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: longer headquarter of Minnesota. This state has more businesses leaving 285 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: than coming. 286 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: Take it up with a politician. I don't know. You know, 287 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: there's about a million reasons why transactions like this get made, 288 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: and especially in the airline industry. Whatever your tax base 289 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: is and whatever the business climate is has very very 290 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: little to do with why airlines make these kind of acquisitions. 291 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: Six' five to one, guy the majority of people THAT 292 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: i know From minnesota that Fly Sun country do so 293 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: because it's A minnesota. Company without that legacy, CONNECTION i 294 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: feel the number of passengers of folks originally From minnesota 295 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: is going to dramatically. 296 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: Decrease is that legit or is that? Overblown you, KNOW i. 297 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 2: Really think it depends if If allegiant really leans into 298 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 2: The minnesota base in any kind of way approaching What 299 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 2: Sun country does over the last you, know four plus. Decades, 300 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: NOW i do think that there's a. CHANCE i think 301 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: an interesting element to this is that this changeover from 302 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: Sun country to one hundred Percent allegiant is not going 303 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 2: to happen overnight or anywhere close to. It it could 304 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: take a matter of. YEARS i, mean it could take 305 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 2: as many as three or four, years maybe even more than, 306 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 2: that which means that these two airlines have a lot 307 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 2: of time to condition travelers to be okay with booking 308 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 2: That allegiant. Flight and at the end of the, day you, 309 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: know a lot of people love The Sun country, name 310 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 2: albeit maybe less than they did five plus years. Ago 311 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: but what you're what you really love is the fact 312 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: that you're paying one hundred and twenty nine dollars to 313 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 2: fly to la instead of four hundred and nine. Dollars 314 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 2: so as long as that's what's moving the, NEEDLE i 315 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: Think allegiant will have a good chance of keeping that 316 00:18:59,119 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: business if they. 317 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 4: Want in the. 318 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: End money Is we're very sentimental, here BUT i think 319 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: we're most sentimental like most people about. Money is there 320 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: any reason to think that this merger will not be 321 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: allowed to go through as like the ALLEGIANCE ceo ever RIPPED, 322 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 1: trumpa would you have any idea what might happen in 323 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: that regard or is it pretty likely to go? 324 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: THROUGH i don't see any kind of serious challenge happening 325 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: to this from THE fed for two real. Reasons one is, 326 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 2: that you, know the talk for as long As President 327 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: trump has been in office in his second term is 328 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: that they were going to be much they were going 329 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: to look much friendlier upon mergers and acquisitions like this 330 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 2: than Did President biden and his administration would shut down 331 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: a handful of big airline deals during his. Term and 332 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: the second is, that, again these are two pretty small. 333 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 2: Airlines if we were talking About united coming in and 334 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 2: buying some, country it would probably be a different. Story but, this, 335 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: ULTIMATELY i mean still, combined these two airlines are are 336 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: still barely going to crack the top ten of THE 337 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 2: us airlines based upon the number of passengers they carry each. 338 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: YEAR i JUST i don't think there's enough to set 339 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 2: off alarm belt IN dc on this. 340 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: One anything else regarding this, story we should at least 341 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: touch OR i guess what are you guys looking at? 342 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: Next what's the next. 343 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: Step the next step is you, know basically what happens 344 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: after this is is airlines go dark and start working 345 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: on the specifics of how to put two airlines together into. 346 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: One and so, honestly we're probably not going to hear 347 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 2: a lot for a number of. Months allegiance In Sun 348 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 2: country have said, that you, know they expect this actual 349 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: transaction to close sometime later this, year in the second 350 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 2: half of the, year but it could be longer than. 351 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 2: That so, honestly it's just going to be about looking 352 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 2: at how they start fitting these pieces, together and we 353 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: just don't know. 354 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: Yet what do you have the plug? Today we always 355 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: like to let you plug at the. End it only seems. 356 00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 2: Fair you, know this has been a, crazy crazy twenty four. 357 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: HOURS i was telling guards THE i was shopping At 358 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: target with my wife BEFORE i got a text this 359 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: time yesterday and, said, well there goes my. Week But 360 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 2: i'm looking forward to. Tomorrow my Coworker gunner AND i 361 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 2: are recording our podcast and we're going to talk about 362 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: this story and a bunch of other news. Stories so 363 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: our podcast is the most fun Thing i've done in 364 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: my seven plus years. Here so anybody who wants to 365 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: hear more about. 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Anytime Borrow Kyle. 375 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: Potter Thrifty traveler and N guy a great follow and, 376 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: also AS i, SAID i think they. Do it's a combo. 377 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: PLATTER i, mean they do alert you to some really 378 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: good deals and if you, travel that matters because money. 379 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: Matters and the other aspect of it is they're GETTING i, 380 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: think bigger and better all the, time and more experienced 381 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: in covering transportation, news in some cases breaking. Story SO 382 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: i heartily recommend that you give them a, follow a, 383 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: listen a, watch. 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Segment Johnny athletic 392 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: will join at five point thirty this. 393 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 3: Evening more. 394 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: Wild card weekend talking points to discuss as. Well Attorney 395 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: General Keith ellison has filed a federal lawsuit against The 396 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: department Of Homeland security and related agencies and, officials asking 397 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: the court to quote end the unprecedented surge OF dhs 398 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: as IN ice agents into the state and declare it 399 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 1: unconstitutional and. Unlawful there was a press briefing which we'd 400 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: alluded to, earlier where this announcement was. 401 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 3: Made among. 402 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: Others, also they're the mayors Of minneapolis And Saint Paul 403 00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: ellison calling it a quote federal invasion Of, minnesota SAYING 404 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: ice agents are making illegal, arrests often based only on 405 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: the color of their. Skin he, adds according To Tom, 406 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: houser WHO i believe was covering the presser OF, kstp he, 407 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,479 Speaker 1: said he adds In minnesota has a much smaller immigrant 408 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: population in many, states but Only minnesota has thousands of federal. 409 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: AGENTS i, THOUGHT i DID i not read they're bringing 410 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: in another. Thousand what are we up? To will that 411 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: be up to three? THOUSAND i think so are We 412 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: that's a small. 413 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 3: Army is it? 414 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: Not at this, point we're going to try to get 415 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: more reaction to this over the next day or. Two 416 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: whether strategically, speaking this has anywhere it can, Go what 417 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: kind of timeframe are we talking, about et. Cetera is 418 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: this likely to just in the interim make it even 419 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: more likely that the president has and The Homeland security folks, says, 420 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: okay we'll add another. Thousand every time you have a 421 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: press conference like, This we're going to add another thousand 422 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: just because they. Can i'll say, again And i've tried 423 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: to make this distinction pretty. Clear when there are specifically 424 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: targeted individuals who are legally detained for previous crimes that 425 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: they may have committed here or, elsewhere. 426 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 3: We're at a different. 427 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: Ballpark that sort of specific law, ENFORCEMENT i think post 428 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: would indicate Most americans, say all, right we're. Fine although 429 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: we do want the law to be, followed we don't 430 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: want you to necessarily break into places that you shouldn't 431 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: you don't have the documents to do, that but we've 432 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: all seen almost every, day and there was one again 433 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: making the rounds today of this sort of serial stopping 434 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: of people at convenience gas. 435 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 3: Stations for, example. 436 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: You're pumping gas and it's a nice individual walking over 437 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: and say, saying where are you? 438 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: From what? Country are you A us? Citizen and can 439 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 3: you document? 440 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: That that's not, specific that's not precise law. 441 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: Enforcement and so for the people who, say. 442 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: Well, oh they're just going over after the bad guys 443 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: they've identified as bad. Guys have you heard about some 444 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: of these, Guys, yeah some of them are, Awful but 445 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: you can't refute what we're seeing over and over, again 446 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: which goes well beyond, that and that's WHERE i Think 447 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: i'm certainly in the group that says that should not. 448 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: Stand that should not be. 449 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: Allowed it's, dangerous, destructive and should be. Illegal the idea 450 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: that in many, cases individuals who do not identify themselves 451 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: talking ABOUT ice, agents sometimes, masked sometimes not approaching you 452 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: as your pumping. Gas AND i know there's some people 453 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 1: out there that, say, well if they look like they 454 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: have brown, skin, yeah and they look like the government 455 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 1: other country that, yeah they have a right to do. 456 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 3: It they, don't and that part of. It think of 457 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 3: it if it happened to. 458 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: You that's how you got to think of these stories 459 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: that you're just pumping gas and somebody decides you have 460 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: to prove to them that. 461 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 3: You're A us. 462 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: Citizen it's ridiculous and it's exactly the line that's been 463 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: crossed over and over again and what PEOPLE i think 464 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: legitimately have every right to protest and to demand some 465 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: sort of recourse FROM i want to mention one other 466 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: thing now that we have we don't have a lot of, 467 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 1: time and SO i don't need to take a lot 468 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: of time with. This do you remember when we had the. 469 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 3: The No kings. 470 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: Demonstrations, yeah remember that Whole it was like a. Weekend 471 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: AS i, recall it was, okay and it WAS i 472 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: never made this, point AND i should. Have it was 473 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: a fascinating education because for a lot of people it 474 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: was sort of dismissed as a bunch of, wackos right 475 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: hardcore left wing Borderline kamis who hate the country kind 476 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: of a. Thing and you know, WHAT i saw the 477 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: PLACES i was near in which there were thousands of 478 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: people who showed up in some, locations hundreds and some 479 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: thousands in, others. 480 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 3: And you know what they most of them. 481 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: Did most of them HAD us flags that they, waved some, 482 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: big some, small and all they did was line up 483 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: and some major streets in This i'm talking, about in 484 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: this case The, burbs to demonstrate their. Feelings And i'm, thinking, 485 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: HUH i wonder how many of these INDIVIDUALS i, see all, 486 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: ages by the, way including a lot of people who 487 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: would be my, age or maybe even older, terrorists you, 488 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: Know antifa, apologists or just a lot of average citizens 489 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: who were bothered by what they. Saw i'm not, here 490 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: by the, way to take a position on all of 491 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: that so much as to say to pretend that all 492 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: of that pushback then and even a lot of the 493 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: pushback now is just a bunch of hippie radicals is, 494 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: ludicrous demonstrably, false and should not be. 495 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 3: Forgotten is that not? TRUE i saw the same process saw. 496 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: And it struck me BECAUSE i forgot to mention that on, 497 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: here And i'm, Going i'm NOT i don't, know maybe 498 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: they're maybe they're out there, somewhere but these folks are. 499 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: Not they're not and in this, case they were not 500 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: causing any Difficulty they were not even stopping. Traffic they 501 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: were lined up on major streets in this case In 502 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: minnetaka and sometimes clapping when or or people not, there you, 503 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: know hit their horns and they'd, clap or they would, 504 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: cheer or they would. Chant they did not disrupt in any, 505 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: way shape or. Form and AS i, said the flag 506 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: that you saw over and over again was The american, 507 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: Flag United states. Flag so be careful dismissing any pushback 508 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: on any of this, as, oh you're just all a 509 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: bunch OF antifa, sympathizers because that's way too. Easy it's, 510 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: convenient but it's also way too. Easy Ben. Liber Ben 511 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: liber is coming up next right here in the