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Speaker 1: I've listened several times, and there's only one conclusion to draw.

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Speaker 2: What Porter did.

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Speaker 1: Was a really crappy thing to do to Ben. It

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Speaker 1: it was hypocritical. Porter's police blatter ain't exactly empty. He

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Speaker 1: He's been charged with assault, arrested right after a playoff

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Speaker 1: Porter and Ben got inducted together this past year, and

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Speaker 2: And why did he do it?

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Speaker 1: Because Ronthelisberger and James Harrison criticized Tomlin?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's protect the myth of Mike Tomlin. And what

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Speaker 1: advice to Ben by way of non retaliation. Let it

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Speaker 1: James Harrison to go scorched earth on Porter and make

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Speaker 1: sight of the other villain in this besides Porter, Cam Hayward,

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Speaker 2: What other conclusion could you possibly drop?

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Speaker 1: But Cam didn't have the balls to say it himself,

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Speaker 1: And the adults who approved what Porter said on social media, Matti, Kevitch, Rudolph, whoever.

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Speaker 1: They're small potatoes jealous of star quarterback just like high school.

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Speaker 1: And of course the public response to this shows what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about you. Follow me on Twitter at Mark

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Speaker 1: madden X. If it wasn't for Ben, Porter got no ring.

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Speaker 1: Ben kept Cam and his excrement show afloat. Ben counts

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Speaker 1: like a lot, don't. Ben counts more than Porter and Hayward.

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Speaker 1: Ben counts more than Tomlin. If it wasn't for Ben

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Speaker 1: over Hayward's role in this. He's the enabler. Ben should

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Speaker 1: some radio Dalton Cleveland said, Porter told us what we

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Speaker 2: Everybody who's met Ben knows this is true.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Ben was my neighbor for three years, and I

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Speaker 1: Canada opened the tournament with a five niil win over Chechia.

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Speaker 4: Cam would just let that fly completely on his podcast

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Speaker 1: To me, Cam could have just stopped the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: And Tom, this ain't gonna go away. This has legs

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Speaker 1: I do know that whatever Harrison says, she'll say, like this,

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Speaker 4: It's no coincidence though that, yes, the two greatest defenses

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Speaker 2: Before the rules changed to help the offense.

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Speaker 4: Just hammer Franco a thousand times.

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Speaker 4: Some of that? Just hands the ball off a lot

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Speaker 2: The ball off to was dealer and Joe Gilam's case.

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Speaker 4: But let's say this Mark, we're going from six to one.

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Speaker 2: And again this is so wrought on Porter's part.

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Speaker 4: But probably to be fair, though, I think that that

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure they need like their friends, like the

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Speaker 4: They're brutal. The thirteen year olds are brutal, long brutal. Oh,

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Speaker 4: How many is it?

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Speaker 4: All the coaches are gonna be like, hey, stop picking

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Speaker 1: it on these kids. I don't like it. What what

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Speaker 4: I've only been saying that for three years. That's been amazing.

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Speaker 4: would you have enough white guys though? Yeah, definitely. I

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Speaker 2: And who who do the players of Mixed Grace play for?

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Speaker 1: I already mentioned we have Sean Casey on the Mayor

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Speaker 1: during the break and the Olympics. If you're just tuning

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Speaker 1: in Canada, tuned up check you today five nil SID

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Speaker 2: And that's great.

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Speaker 1: Sid hasn't all He's gotten as proper due, but now

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Speaker 1: I just think that this well, his legacy in hockey

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Speaker 1: And again, I never saw the Olympics international competence of

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Speaker 1: I haven't been into that since nineteen eighty when the

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Speaker 1: one to oh, I can't get over Joey Porter and

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Speaker 1: quarterback was, Ben Roethlisberger. Ben's got the Steelers to three

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls and won two of them. Those things just

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Speaker 1: don't deserve to happen. What was said all this with Ben,

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Speaker 1: It's shameful. It's absolutely shameful. But right now, let's let

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Speaker 1: that go for a minute. Tom, let's break down Varsity

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Speaker 1: Blues in honor of the late James Vanderbeek should have

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Speaker 1: bang Darcy because it didn't seem like he was.

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Speaker 2: Definitely banging Jewels, Amy Smart.

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Speaker 1: And even if he was, I think Darcy would have

446
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Speaker 1: been like a thrill ride with the whip cream bikini.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you've probably could have gotten over that with Jewels,

448
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Speaker 4: right like you could have bridged that. In high school,

449
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Speaker 4: everybody finds out everything. Plus she's finding out, you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. He would have had the bragg to

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Speaker 4: his friends. No, no, no, Jewel wouldn't even let it

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Speaker 4: go at the ice cream stand. Amy Smart versus Ali Larder.

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Speaker 4: That's a pretty tough smart, Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 1: But Amy Smart in uh Starsky in Hutch too, Oh,

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Speaker 1: carm and Electra as the cheerleaders.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 1: But but in Varsity Blues, Uh, Darcy was the slot

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Speaker 1: and Jewels was the I don't want to say.

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Speaker 4: The girl, the girl next door kind of yeah.

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Speaker 2: The good girl. That's a better way putting it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's put it this way. Any high school boy

462
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Speaker 4: seeing whipped cream bikini. Darcy Sears come out of her bedroom,

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Speaker 4: is jumping right in. I mean, there's just no way

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Speaker 4: that he's going to be able to resist that. It's

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Speaker 4: just biologically not possible at that point in your life.

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Speaker 1: Now, Wes Canaan won the district in that last game,

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Speaker 1: what happened in the state playoffs?

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Speaker 2: And who coached?

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Speaker 1: Because there was a state playoff Bud Kilmer won a

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Speaker 1: couple of those.

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Speaker 2: There was a game next week. What happened to that game?

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Speaker 2: In that game was it played?

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Speaker 4: They really just didn't care about that. I mean there's

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Speaker 4: some sports movies too that don't resolve it at the end,

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Speaker 4: Like you don't know if the Indians go on and

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Speaker 4: win the World Series in Major League No.

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Speaker 2: We find that major League two they did that.

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Speaker 4: They did not. That's right, that kind of resolves that

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Speaker 4: was it.

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Speaker 2: Major League two they won the ALCS.

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Speaker 1: Yes, in major League three, I think they probably would

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Speaker 1: have won the World Series, except everybody rightly determined.

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Speaker 4: That was not a good idea or done. We're just

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Speaker 4: going to be major League three. Back to the minors

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Speaker 4: with Scott back you said, it's not bad, right, it's

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Speaker 4: better than two, better than two yep. So that happens

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Speaker 4: sometimes in sports movies where they just kind of leave

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Speaker 4: it open ended like that. But you're right, like you

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Speaker 4: it's such an easy fix too, where you could literally

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Speaker 4: just type a couple of things on the screen, right,

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Speaker 4: Like they went on to win the Ftate without Kilmer,

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Speaker 4: like blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you said, it was implied that was

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Speaker 1: their laf well it was said. I mean Max talked

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Speaker 1: about how he never played football again, which that is.

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Speaker 4: A huge plothole, Like that makes no sense, And why

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Speaker 4: would you include that even if you're gonna leave it

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Speaker 4: open ended where you don't address what happens next week,

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Speaker 4: you don't say that.

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Speaker 1: Now, did Kyle play football the younger brother because he

501
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Speaker 1: was a little weirdo?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think Kyle did end up playing football.

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Speaker 4: Max was a big time like academic person anyway, Like

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Speaker 4: he wasn't really supposed to be going after football. He

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Speaker 4: was just a backup quarterback at first.

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Speaker 1: Right, Because he often talked about the relative lack of

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Speaker 1: meaning to be found in football.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't care. That's why he started calling his

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Speaker 4: own plays too, because he was just like I even

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Speaker 4: really don't care if we win.

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Speaker 1: And that's where you got to back up Kilmhere, the

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Speaker 1: high school quarterback does not get to call his own plays,

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Speaker 1: not ever.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but then the coach doesn't get to assault high

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Speaker 4: schoolquarterback in the locker room.

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Speaker 2: That's not necessarily true high school football for long.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they should get to do that. Put

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Speaker 4: it that way, I don't know if I.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's Jim Render the legendary Upper Sinkler High school

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Speaker 1: coach who I know very well, Jack McCurry and Northfields.

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Speaker 1: I know so many high school coaching legends. I am

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Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine percent sure they would not have

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Speaker 1: assaulted the quarterback if he went off script and called

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Speaker 1: his own plays. But I would have liked to have

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Speaker 1: seen their reaction to that.

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Speaker 4: Well. Now, verbal assault is a different story. Like I'm

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Speaker 4: not saying that that hasn't happened, and that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 4: But you know when Mox lost the locker room, or

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Speaker 4: excuse me, when Kilmer lost the locker room at the end,

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Speaker 4: because Max was just like, we're not taking the field

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Speaker 4: without unless you stay in the locker room. That too

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Speaker 4: far over the line.

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Speaker 1: Now when the boys some is Davis at the Strip

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Speaker 1: Club Moonlighting, Why they let off the hook? Why didn't

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Speaker 1: they blackmail her for sex and perpetuity?

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Speaker 4: That movie just didn't think like teenagers do, did it.

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Speaker 4: They They just didn't put themselves into that state of

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Speaker 4: mind because that probably would have happened at least by

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Speaker 4: somebody in there. Like I'm not saying everybody would have

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Speaker 4: done that, Like there would have been like, come on, guys,

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Speaker 4: we really can't be doing this, right, And they'd been like,

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Speaker 4: if you we are doing this, and if you tell anybody,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna get you.

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Speaker 2: See.

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Speaker 1: That's probably why Tweeter wasn't at the strip club, because

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Speaker 1: had he been there, he would have definitely blackmailed it.

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Speaker 4: For six That is a big plot hole too.

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Speaker 1: Mox nice guy, wance Head Darcy at least as far

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Speaker 1: as he knew, you know, Wendell, nice guy.

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Speaker 4: But there wasn't a true degenerate there.

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Speaker 1: Right, Tweeter was the degenerate. What happened to Darcy afterward?

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Speaker 1: Like I would like to see the sequel just to note,

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Speaker 1: I mean, did she wind up working at the strip

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Speaker 1: club alongside miss Davis?

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Speaker 2: Because I think that was a very real possibility.

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Speaker 4: Today she's probably doing like OnlyFans right, Like that was

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Speaker 4: probably like the direction that she was going down as

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Speaker 4: Darcy as Darcy Sears. Yeah, with the whipp cream bikini.

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Speaker 4: That's her like bit.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually I do know where Darcy is right now.

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Speaker 1: She's married to Billy Bob Thornton on Landman Ali And

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Speaker 1: actually her character is like a grown up Darcy.

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Speaker 4: And isn't she getting like she's getting like great like

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Speaker 4: acclaim for this right and Landmann like people are saying

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Speaker 4: she's doing a good job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the first season was good. I'm not

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Speaker 1: started the second one. Yeah, and the teenage daughter, the

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Speaker 1: progeny of of Darcy Sears and Billy Bob Thornton is

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Speaker 1: just gorgeous. Now here's another one. When Lance hurt his knee.

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Speaker 1: Here's a big one. When Lance hurt his knee because

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Speaker 1: Billy Bob Thorpe. Because Billy I said, Billy Bob Thornton,

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Speaker 1: I'm confusing the Billy Bobs. When Lance hurt his knee

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Speaker 1: because Billy Bob passed out before the snap, Billy Bob

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Speaker 1: fell forward, that's a false start.

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Speaker 2: They should not have counted and Lance would not get hurt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's one hundred percent true.

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Speaker 2: They would as soon as he falls forward, they blow

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Speaker 2: the whistle, have the flag.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that movies should more often like hire

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Speaker 4: somebody if you're doing a sports movie like that, hire

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Speaker 4: somebody that is like a huge sports like junkie, a

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Speaker 4: radio host or somebody like that to watch it and

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Speaker 4: pick something out like that, like small little details, just

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Speaker 4: to be like, people are going to poke a hole

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Speaker 4: in that when this airs in theaters because it's just

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Speaker 4: so egregious.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, everything we're saying now is just wasting time

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Speaker 1: and nitpicking.

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Speaker 4: But movies need to be perfect. They should nitpick movies.

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Speaker 1: No, Well, like you're the one I didn't understand and

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Speaker 1: I talked about this when when the documentary came out

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Speaker 1: on Netflix about the Miracle and Ice.

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Speaker 2: In the movie.

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Speaker 1: Miracle, they embellish stuff in a story that just didn't

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Speaker 1: at all need to be embellished. They had the goalie,

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Speaker 1: had the Soviets run over Jim Craig for the third goal.

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Speaker 1: They had an egregious slash caused the first goal. The

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Speaker 1: first goal was like a minor tap on the glove

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Speaker 1: that caused the turnover, and nobody ever ran over Craig

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Speaker 1: the whole game. You just didn't need to, and for

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Speaker 1: some reason they changed the time of the tying goal,

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Speaker 1: which I did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. The line sticks out of my head

604
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Speaker 4: so much. On the first slash for the first goal,

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Speaker 4: who's at the GM. I can see it as clear

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Speaker 4: as day. Ah, he's so mad. Sure, I'm pretty sure

607
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Speaker 4: sounded like you did. I can see it as clear

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Speaker 4: as day as what I said.

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Speaker 2: Well, you'll get fired, not me now, Yeah so so.

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Speaker 1: But getting back to the the Billy Bob thing, the

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Speaker 1: illegal procedure, that's where you need Sterotor. If Sterotor isnt

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Speaker 1: consulting in that movie. He actually, no, you need Billy Bob.

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Speaker 1: I mean Billy Billy Bob was made to play hurt though.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean Kimmerare was a scumbag and he

615
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Speaker 4: injected the knee of Lance Harbor and put him back

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Speaker 4: in the game like he was just trying to win

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Speaker 4: it all costs.

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Speaker 1: What about what about the team doctor that injected the knee,

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Speaker 1: thereby violating his hippocratic oath to do no harm?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, real, James Woods from any given Sunday, that's right.

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Speaker 4: He's a scumbag doctor, that's right.

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Speaker 2: But we had some times, didn't we Tony won the

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Speaker 2: Pantheon Ball.

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Speaker 4: As he put the sunglasses on on his way out.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing that I've seen seen way too many movies.

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Speaker 1: But but yeah, but that said, I mean, we're picking

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Speaker 1: to have fun. Varsity Blues just a great movie. I

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Speaker 1: feel so bad about Van der Beek. I watched part

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Speaker 1: of Jay and Silent Bob strike Back last night. I

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Speaker 1: watched part of Varsity Blues last night. I didn't watch

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Speaker 1: Dawson Creek Dawson's Creekery Runes. I could only mourn so much.

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Speaker 2: One five nine.

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Speaker 5: point ninety x iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 4: From the one oh five nine the ex Weather Center.

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Speaker 2: This report is sponsored invites Uh.

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Speaker 1: One of Ben's X teammates has come out in support

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Speaker 1: of him, and it's not exactly who I expected.

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Speaker 4: That's right, Mark, it's Antonio Brown, he tweeted out last night.

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Speaker 4: I meant to bring this up a little bit earlier

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Speaker 4: to you. Big Ben a great teammate, one of the

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Speaker 4: best one to have. You got to earn his respect

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00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 4: before he opened up. Coming in talking won't get his attention.

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Speaker 4: Take it from a sixth round pick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there was a part in the middle

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Speaker 1: that was incoherent.

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Speaker 2: But it's clear that he's pro ben.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very clear that he's pro Ben. And I think

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Speaker 4: that surprised you. No, not really. AB's come out recently

651
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Speaker 4: after his Steeler's tenure and Ben pro ben in other statements,

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Speaker 4: So I'm not too surprised about that. And honestly, the

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Speaker 4: nugget of truth in there is a lot of the

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Speaker 4: people that are speaking up about you know, you're right

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Speaker 4: PZ in regards to Ben or just a bunch of bums,

656
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 4: a bunch of nobodies, and Ab, as crazy as he is,

657
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 4: one of the greatest wide receivers ever, maybe the best

658
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: in Steelers history, and the Bend to Ab connection was unbelievable.

659
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: Think, Mike, Tom, it'll ever talk about.

660
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 4: This, Mike Toma might never talk again.

661
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might be right, Tom. What are we off

662
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: for the trifectum?

663
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 4: For today's trifecta? Mark?

664
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: Oh, and damn it, we haven't given Shender rovishendro Rovich

665
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: and Fisherman their plug yet this hour.

666
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 4: Sure you go, you should start beating me if we Yeah,

667
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 4: you got it. I don't know. Will you stopped finding me,

668
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 4: so I got a little laxa days goal over it.

669
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: Maybe you could just do it. That's not a bad idea,

670
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean I'm still gonna keep the money.

671
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 4: That's fine. I do this pro bon No. The trifecta

672
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 4: today though, is since tm Usa is about to drop

673
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 4: the puck in about twenty minutes. These are tem Usa

674
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 4: moments in the Olympics that aren't the two gold medals,

675
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 4: because that would be just a very easy lay of

676
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 4: nineteen sixty eight. Yes, correct, people forget nineteen six. Yeah,

677
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 4: the first one, uh Squaw Valley, California. Number three in

678
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 4: Macartin and goal to Christian Brothers up front. It's unbelievable

679
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: that you're going through that right now. Uh number three

680
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 4: in two thousand and two back in Salt Lake beating

681
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: the Russians in the Semis to get the gold medal match.

682
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 4: They eventually lost to Canada, but that had to be

683
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 4: so romantic right Back then in two thousand and two,

684
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 4: playing the Russians again in Salt Lake City with Herb coaching.

685
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 4: Herb coaching again, Yeah, unbelievable. You know where the US

686
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 4: got screwed though, in that Olympics Yeah, there was a

687
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: big up sit in the quarter final.

688
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: Belarus beat Sweden, so Canada got to play Belarus in

689
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: the semi.

690
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: Crew just like a by an easy game.

691
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then they bled obviously against Russia. They tied

692
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 4: them earlier in group play. That was obviously a much

693
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: harder matchup. Number two for me though in twenty ten

694
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 4: Zach Parize's last second goal to tie the game and

695
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 4: send it to overtime and mark if it wasn't for

696
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 4: Zach Parize, there is no golden goal from Sidney Crosby.

697
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh Roberto Lawongo for Canada almost led a

698
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: long shot trickle in for the US and overtime. There

699
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: are a lot of sidebars leading up to that golden goal,

700
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: that's correct.

701
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 4: I just sort of that crazy scramble from Team USA

702
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 4: when Preze finally put it in a doc Emrick on

703
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 4: the call to just so great. But my number one

704
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 4: moment is the tj Oshi shootout in Sochi in twenty fourteen,

705
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 4: just again and again and again him versus Brabrovski finally

706
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 4: wins it for Team USA over Russia. Again. So just

707
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 4: a great moment there. I remember waking up as a

708
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 4: Ducaine at the time in my dorm to watch that

709
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 4: game because it was in Sochi, so it was like

710
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 4: four am, five am puck drop watching the whole thing live.

711
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 4: It was unbelievable.

712
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: Well, oh, probably wasn't one of the best thirteen forwards

713
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: for the US, but they knew he was great in shootout.

714
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 4: He was so good.

715
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they just put him on the team because,

716
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: as I've said repeatedly, it doesn't matter who the bottom

717
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: line forwards are as long as they can do something well.

718
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: And oh she could do a shootout well.

719
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 4: Extra valuable in that tournament too, because you could just

720
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 4: keep going. There was the rule was you can send

721
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 4: the same shootout shooter out over and over again. I

722
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 4: think is that still the rule to this? For this

723
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 4: one they.

724
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: Tweak the rules. One thing I was going to bring

725
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: up is, you know, over time in the games up

726
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: till the gold medal game, is is three on three

727
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: for five minutes in a shootout. Then in the gold

728
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: medal game it's endless three on.

729
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 4: Three, endless doing on three. Yep, they should probably go

730
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 4: to endless five on five for a gold medal game,

731
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,479
Speaker 4: don't you think treat like a couple?

732
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: I think over time in anything, and it's a playoff

733
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: or tournament, should be five on five.

734
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mind going.

735
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: To a shootout at some point because you can't play indefinitely.

736
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: It's like that kind of game, and especially with so

737
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: many games at a high pace packed into a short

738
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: period of time like at the Olympics. But I'm not

739
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of three on three in general,

740
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: because you know what, we're gonna see, the same doubling

741
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: back and all that crap that waste time and try

742
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: to stay ahead of the shift and all that, all

743
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: the all the things that have made overtime too coached

744
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: and ruined.

745
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: It should probably be five on five for ten minutes

746
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 4: up until the gold medal game into a shootout if

747
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 4: that is unresolved, and then I think the gold medal

748
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 4: game should be treated like playoff hockey. It should just

749
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 4: be end less twenty minute period. They're not gonna end

750
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 4: change right now, No, No, they're not. They're just gonna Yeah,

751
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 4: they're gonna do three on three, like I said. And

752
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 4: one thing they are doing I like is that it's

753
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 4: three points a regulation win, two points for an overtime

754
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 4: or shootout win, one point for an overtime or shootout loss.

755
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 4: That's the NHL should shift to that point.

756
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: I've talked about why the general managers don't want that,

757
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: because the loser point keeps the standings artificially close, and

758
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: that way general managers aren't as likely to get.

759
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 4: Fired this season. In particular too, that that loser point

760
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: is doing a lot of work. And to be honest

761
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 4: with you, Penguins are included in that category as far

762
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 4: as the loser points. They might be getting the most

763
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 4: benefit from the loser point, right yeah.

764
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: But it would benefit even more if they were decent

765
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: in free and especially the.

766
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 4: Shootout reeks of missed opportunity as well being beneficial of

767
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 4: the loser point.

768
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: And the shootout just just reeks. They're just terrible. What

769
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: if do we know who's in goal for Latvia today?

770
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 4: It's got to be Merzlenkas. I haven't been able to

771
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 4: see it. Shill offs. It goes to a shootout and

772
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 4: he stones the US. Oh my god, that would be

773
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 4: just too much for me. I would want him cut

774
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 4: from the buyer.

775
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: I'd be waiting for him in the tunnel to beat

776
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: the crap out of them exactly.

777
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 4: That would be too much for me. It's got to

778
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 4: be Mrzlenkis though right, he's a touch better than she lost.

779
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: Probably Sid's really doing the captain thing in Miland he

780
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: had like the whole team together at the speed skating

781
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: Did you see that.

782
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 4: I didn't see that. I saw a picture that they

783
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 4: took out in about in Italy though people were joking

784
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 4: that Sid looked like he was like a teacher taking

785
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 4: a middle school class around on their field trip. He

786
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 4: just looked so distinguished in the back.

787
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: That's not a comparison that that rings false. That that's

788
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: a I mean, like I've often said and has been

789
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: said by others, Sid's in a locker room with all

790
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: of his biggest fans, like players who worshiped him when

791
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: they were kids.

792
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 4: And I thought it was a very good touch to

793
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 4: have Sid start the game today for Canada. I took

794
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 4: the first opening face off. I mean obvious one, but

795
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 4: I mean the correct one.

796
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: Well, Sid will be the reason they win, but McDavid

797
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: might have the most points. McDavid has clearly showed uploaded

798
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: for Bear. I mean, in an effort today that five

799
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: zero win over check up where Canada just came in waves.

800
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: McDavid was even a step faster and a step earlier.

801
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: He just looked unbelievable.

802
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 4: You noted that Sid. You think he's gonna do some

803
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 4: scoring and you already had a multipoint game in game

804
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 4: one because the pressure is going to be off of

805
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 4: him because he's got like Nate Dogg and McDavid who

806
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 4: are expected to score.

807
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: Well.

808
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: McDavid's got pressure off of him now because he's got

809
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 4: someone like Sid that can do the captain thing, that

810
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 4: can be the leader and say the right things in

811
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 4: the right moments and know how to win. So McDavid

812
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 4: can just fly up and down the ice and put

813
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 4: up five points a game.

814
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: Do you think this Latvic game is going to be

815
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: any kind of a challenge for the US? I probably don't.

816
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 4: Merslinkas could show up and steal it though, like that's

817
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 4: the thing.

818
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: Let's steal a win. He could.

819
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 4: He could make it steal a game though. He can

820
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 4: make it close, like the Italian goali did. He's a

821
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: little better than.

822
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: That against Sweden and uh two did steal it. The

823
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: Slovakia goalie against Finland. Yeah, he was amazing, as great

824
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: as Levkovski was with the two goals, being this Olympic

825
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: demon that has nine goals in eight Olympic games now

826
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: in his career. The Slovak goal whose name slips my

827
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: mind because I don't care.

828
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: He's like an AHL goalie. Did you see that? Yeah?

829
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 4: I saw Like the Italian goalie is some prospect in

830
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 4: the Ducks system too. The guy who was just insane

831
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 4: yesterday against Sweden.

832
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

833
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: The Duck Scotts referred him as the guy who has

834
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: no chance to make it ever. One oh five nine,

835
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: Now here's your chance to win