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Speaker 1: Feeling from the fish filled Midwest lakes to the deep

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Speaker 1: woods of the North Upland prairies filled with pheasants, to

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Speaker 1: the whistling wings of duck ponds. This is Saturday Morning,

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Speaker 1: Fan Outdoors, your show for hunting and fishing tips, topics

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Speaker 1: and conversations. You can also send us a question or

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Speaker 1: opinion by emailing us booth at kfean dot com. Here's

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Speaker 1: your host, the Fans Captain Billy Hildegraham.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Fan Outdoors, faithful, Good morning to you. Yes,

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Speaker 2: fifty fifty nine, I mean sixty one seconds, well six

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Speaker 2: oh one oh five, leave it that way. So it

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Speaker 2: is early in the morning and it is dark about

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Speaker 2: twenty one degrees in the North Metro this morning joined

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Speaker 2: today and one of his well, one of his appearances

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Speaker 2: before he's gone again. Yes, mister Bob Saint Pierre.

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Speaker 3: Captain, how are you not bad? You're looking good. I

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Speaker 3: feel pretty good. I'm you're clean shaven, you're fully clothed,

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Speaker 3: fully clothed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if I go streaking through the neighborhood, have you

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Speaker 2: ever went streaking all out of the lake.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I could see that happening. Yeah, and that was

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Speaker 3: from Skinny dipping streaking right up into the camp. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Is that a yearly ritual. I don't know why I'm

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Speaker 3: going down the show. Yeah, good morning to you all.

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Speaker 2: You must have some place to be, uh yeah, anyway, Nah,

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Speaker 2: well I was looking. I have looked for Tommy George's mermaid,

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Speaker 2: and none to be found.

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Speaker 3: Not on socc lake. You need another bush light. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's right. Sometimes they just come out.

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Speaker 2: I'll be I'll beat her with a cannon board light

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Speaker 2: kind of mermaid?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my kind. Anyway. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. How

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Speaker 3: many days until the cabin opens up? Too many?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, although the winter is we were just talking about that.

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, December is, Christmas is almost here, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and the new year and God Time goes away away

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Speaker 2: well late Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: It makes for a very quick Christmas. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, the fall that showed up and then didn't, and

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Speaker 2: then it went back to winter, and then we had

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Speaker 2: a little bit of fall, and then overnight we had

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Speaker 3: It was a the early part of bird dunning season,

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Speaker 3: so September October just very warm. Yeah, you know. I

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Speaker 3: mean our grouse camp, annual grouse camp first weekend of October,

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Speaker 3: we hit ninety degrees. Yeah, I mean that's a very shortened,

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Speaker 3: very shortened days being able to get out hunting. Yep.

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Speaker 3: But now now it's the other end of the spectrum

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Speaker 3: very quickly. Yeah, it's very cool.

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Speaker 2: I mean I've shoveled three or four times already, and

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Speaker 2: the last yesterday was is a nuisance snow, but a

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Speaker 2: nuisance enough that you get pretty sweaty pushing a shovel around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does for me. Does make for a nice

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Speaker 3: holiday season. Yeah. Does you know Christmas with snow brilliant? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: And the kid's grandkids were there in the house with

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Speaker 2: a little bit of snow, and they want me to

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Speaker 2: the garage, and I managed out of that and turned

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Speaker 2: it over to their dad. So Eric was pulling the

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Speaker 2: But cleaned another.

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Speaker 3: Deer last week. You did, Eric did all the work?

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Speaker 2: Okay, all I ended up doing was well, I got

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Speaker 3: Uh, and then he had the rest. Uh what what

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Speaker 3: yeah he shot a dandy. Yeah, he shot a really

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Speaker 3: nice one. So is he done done? Oh he's got another.

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Speaker 3: I think he's got a tag.

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Speaker 2: Left where they were were there hunting and I will

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Speaker 2: be next week. Uh they're going they that's Chad and

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Speaker 3: And you're going. So is this down southern Minnesota? You're going?

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Speaker 3: Not down into the c w D zone. Want one? No?

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Speaker 2: Chad is, but not cw D.

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Speaker 3: So that's okay. Well I'm trying to how many years

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Speaker 3: it'll be I I you know, I really don't care.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't have this big urge to kill

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Speaker 2: Yes, I am. I could care less about antlers and

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Speaker 2: all the all so many people that's all they want.

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Speaker 2: They don't want the rest of it, well bring it on.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I just picked up some venison from brother

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Speaker 2: Brothers Meats in Maple Grove and they do.

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Speaker 3: It awesome job. There's a lot of people I know

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Speaker 2: They they're phenomenal. God, you walk into that place and

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Speaker 2: Buco Bucks. But yeah, it's they do a really really

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Speaker 3: have special sausage seasoning your recipes, you know, whether it's

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what Garfield needs and every you're right,

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Speaker 2: everybody's got one. But I one of my favorites too,

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Speaker 2: because I we take Trim into Garfield now thanks to

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Speaker 2: my sister in law, which would be and from Allen.

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Speaker 3: Does she listen to the show except once last week

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Speaker 3: she was busy cooking, but she's listening.

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Speaker 2: And but we take that in and the Cheddar summer

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Speaker 2: sausage that they make is just rockstar best special.

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Speaker 3: It's really really good.

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Speaker 2: But everybody's got someone they'll probably be passing along.

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Speaker 3: That's that's fine.

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Speaker 2: And I did, I did get a recommendation, and I

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Speaker 2: tried some hot dogs one place at a at one place.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, that's so good.

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Speaker 2: Well I also tried some sausages from Turkey at one time.

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Speaker 3: That yeah, upon one of my recommends, and it didn't

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Speaker 3: That's true, that's true. But anyway, it.

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Speaker 2: Is eight minutes after the hour of six o'clock and

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Speaker 2: we are going to break just a couple of minutes

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Speaker 2: or because we're a take you up to to a

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Speaker 2: sock Center and talk with Danny Fletcher because he said

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Speaker 2: he is busier and a one handed paper hager.

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Speaker 4: What busier than what? A one handed paper hanger? I

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Speaker 4: don't get that. A wallpaper ha.

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Speaker 3: Jeez. You should bring a new saying every single show,

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Speaker 3: we should have a button bar like it. Build this

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Speaker 3: up because these are these are absolutely gold. A one

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I googled it and it actually came up.

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Speaker 3: See, I'm not doubting you. I just I didn't understand that.

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Speaker 3: What was the one years ago? And busier than a

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Speaker 3: cat full of rocking chairs? A cat cat? Never mind,

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Speaker 3: We're also going to be We're going to Sock Center,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're going to talk with Tom Whitehead about

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Speaker 3: And some hunting, and we get to thank him for

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Speaker 3: some spectacular bacon and both yes he did and it

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Speaker 3: is absolutely divine. Uh. And also we.

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Speaker 2: Are going to go to iron the Iron Horse Trading Company, okay,

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Speaker 2: and talk with mister Stu Austin, the proprietor and gunsmith.

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Speaker 3: About your firearms.

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Speaker 2: Because most of our listening audience is probably done, and

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Speaker 2: not all of them, but when they do finish? What

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Speaker 3: You think most people are done hunting? I h I

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Speaker 3: good morning An for Aleck. I you know, I don't. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I suppose it depends on the weather too, But I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think you're right. People are and.

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Speaker 2: Duck hunting for the most part of the state is over,

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Speaker 2: and that that takes quite a few people. The gun

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Speaker 2: deer hunting is is ended for most people. Archery is

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Speaker 2: going on, but that's not most people. Muscle order is

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Speaker 3: I don't believe. Yeah, you can shoot three pheasants now. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Post December first, grouse hunting is open, but it just

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Speaker 3: they get hard to find and it's hard, hard walking

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Speaker 2: So let's take that pause a little bit early and

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Speaker 2: we will come back and chat with mister Dennis Fletcher

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Speaker 2: at Fletcher's Bait and Tackle after this. When we're back,

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Speaker 2: I learned just now. When I'm reading numbers, I need

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Speaker 3: Them, makes it hard to call up casts.

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Speaker 2: Uh you know, yeah, that's yeah, sorry about that.

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Speaker 3: Everybody, Well we have him. Mister Dennis Fletcher is on

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Speaker 2: And Denny, have you locked the door or are you

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Speaker 7: I haven't. When I opened the door this morning, I

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Speaker 7: won't be able to talk on the phone because they're

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Speaker 7: going to come in by the grove.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no open water is there.

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Speaker 7: Other than big and little birch a little bit over there.

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Speaker 7: Other than that, everything's capped here between four and a

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Speaker 7: half and five and a half inches away, So we're

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Speaker 7: good to go as far as fishing.

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Speaker 2: Oh my, okay, is that pretty much all over Denny

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Speaker 2: or just on the little leggs?

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Speaker 7: No, it's pretty much everywhere here. From the reports we

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Speaker 7: two legs are always the last to go here. But

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Speaker 7: other than that, we're good to go up here of

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Speaker 7: the and people are catching fish.

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Speaker 2: Well as it's as it hasn't warmed up. We should

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Speaker 2: be making ice, shouldn't we.

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Speaker 7: Yes, we made a lot of ice this week. When uh,

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Speaker 7: inches of ice and now most people are talking five.

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Speaker 7: So we made three inches of ice in the last

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Speaker 7: you know, four days or so. So it was cold,

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Speaker 7: it was it was perfect conditions for making good ice.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's good. What are people looking for? As far

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Speaker 7: Selling a lot of shiners, rosy reds and fat hits

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Speaker 7: This summer. We we saw a big resurgent of sunfish

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Speaker 2: Now it's there walking out, are they not. They're not

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we're strictly talking about you know, walking out with

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Speaker 3: All right, Now, is the ice? Is it good ice?

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Speaker 3: Denny, I thank you for your time.

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Speaker 2: I won't keep you because I know that you are busy,

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Speaker 7: Thank you, bet you bet Thanks mel good lue fishing folks.

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Speaker 2: That's Denny Fletcher at Fletcher's Bait and Tackle. And one

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Speaker 2: Even though they're fishing on some of the lakes up there,

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Speaker 3: A rope one of them.

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Speaker 2: One of the two went through the ice and he

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Speaker 2: When they got to the ice, he had broken thin ice.

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Speaker 2: The person that fell in and gotten back to where

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Speaker 2: They got a strap to him, got him, pulled him out,

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Speaker 2: His core temperature as the paramedics arrived was eighty six

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Speaker 3: Now I don't know how it went from there.

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Speaker 2: But even though they're fishing places, this ice may not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they both fall in. That's a it's going to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd be dead like the gentleman that went after

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm of the ilk that I need more ice

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Speaker 3: So it's a bit shocking to me that somebody would

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Speaker 3: You know it's yeah, it's it's cold right now, but

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Speaker 2: Guys that are avid anglers, avid ice anglers, they want

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Speaker 3: I don't get that they're out in an inch to

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Speaker 3: That happens every year, it does the Superior. Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: So if I go through, I want it to be

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Speaker 2: He can pop right back out.

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Speaker 3: You think about that in a lake situation where you

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Speaker 2: He looks like Grizzly Adams and they were muzzleoder hunting

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Speaker 3: He used his gun. I think I've told this.

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Speaker 2: He used his muzzleoorder crossed the ice and was holding

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Speaker 3: And keeping me up right. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: But then I wish I wish him his nickname is

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Speaker 3: Some more time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, let's take that pause, because on our return we'll

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Speaker 2: a heck.

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Speaker 3: Of a fisherman.

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Speaker 2: He makes some dandy and maple syrup and some drue bacon,

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Speaker 3: We'll be right.

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Speaker 2: Backers six thirty seven nineteen right now on Fan Outdoors

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Speaker 2: we'll be with you until the eight o'clock hour. Bob

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Speaker 2: Saint Pierre in the studio, I am Billy Hildebrand, giving

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Speaker 3: People two for two.

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Speaker 5: Apologize you want in northern Minnesota getting spam called at

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Speaker 5: six point thirty?

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Speaker 3: Was it a two n E number? It was so

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Speaker 3: good morning, loose, that's fun.

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Speaker 2: It's my fault. I apologize everybody. He'll be Brad put

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Speaker 2: your day into glasses on.

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Speaker 3: Oh good morning, ealy.

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Speaker 2: Well never mind, welcome our next guest, because his was

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Speaker 2: Tom whitehead of the Brainerd Lakes area.

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Speaker 3: Tom, good morning, sir, Good morning guys.

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Speaker 2: Well it was a wrong number, but this is the

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Speaker 3: We appreciate commute answering to us.

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Speaker 8: Who yeah, yeah, thanks for pissing off all my neighbors.

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Speaker 3: I am sorry.

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Speaker 2: Oh old habits my heart, I guess, and I don't

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Speaker 3: Where you gonna take us from here? To have no idea?

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Speaker 3: Let me let me take this opportunity to thank Tom

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Speaker 3: Yeah for the gift of maple syrup and bacon. It

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Speaker 8: Tom oh, great, glad you.

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Speaker 3: It was really really good. It was incredible. Actually, how

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Speaker 8: It is, but it's got to be something that you

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Speaker 8: But it is a lot of work, is.

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Speaker 3: It go ahead? Well, well, I was thinking, you know,

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Speaker 8: Well, I've seen people just do it over a propane

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Speaker 8: it over wood simple. You can you can buy a

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00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 8: barrel stove kit and take a fifty five gallon barrel

438
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 8: and cut the holes in it, and we use the

439
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 8: standless steel serving I don't know what they they call

440
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 8: in their pants. You can buy them on Amazon and

441
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 8: you know, get yourself a couple of those and a

442
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 8: bunch of oak or you know, any hardwood, and you know,

443
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 8: just set yourself up. We surround it with concrete blocks

444
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 8: because it holds the heat in better. You know, we've

445
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 8: learned a lot over the years, but you don't need

446
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 8: all that. I mean, it's it's actually could be pretty simple.

447
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 8: You can tap a couple of trees and you could

448
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 8: you could actually do it on your stove in your

449
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 8: house if you wanted to.

450
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: Different flavors of syrup. Tom, is that depended on the

451
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: tree or is it time of the time of the spring.

452
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 8: I think it just depends on the season. Last year,

453
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 8: every boil we did was very very flavorful. It changes

454
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 8: throughout the year. You know, your earlier cooks are going

455
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 8: to be your more what they call the grade a

456
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 8: fancy the golden color syrup. And as the season progressions,

457
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 8: it'll get darker and darker. And they claim, you know,

458
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 8: the late stuff you should use for you know, barbecuing,

459
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 8: for for basting meat and doing things like that, but

460
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 8: we don't. I put it on everything else, you know, pancakes,

461
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 8: ice cream, you know, waffles, whatever. We do make caramels

462
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 8: out of some of our later stuff, which are and

463
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 8: I haven't gotten you guys those.

464
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: Yet, but yeah, we haven't gotten.

465
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 8: Illegal. And we also made last year for the first time,

466
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 8: we made maple sugar, which is quite a process. You

467
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 8: just cooking it down longer until it turns into kind

468
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 8: of a rock like substance, and then you put in

469
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 8: a food processor it turns out like light brown sugar.

470
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 8: But one one other thing about doing this is you

471
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 8: end up with a healthy.

472
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: Product at the end.

473
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 8: It's it's considered a superfood. It's not like the syrup

474
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 8: you buy in the store that's made out of corn

475
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 8: syrup that they hault to the plant in a train car.

476
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 8: It's actually full of vitamins and antioxidants and you can

477
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 8: look it up online. It is considered a superfood. It's

478
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 8: very healthy. It's kind of like honey. It's a natural

479
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 8: superfood with the trees.

480
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: Maple syrup is it just maple's or can you get

481
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: use a sap from other kinds of trees too.

482
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 8: Well, yes you can't. I haven't done it, but you know,

483
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 8: they said you could do birch maple. The standard is

484
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 8: forty gallons of sap to one gallon of syrup. Our

485
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 8: trees are a little higher sugar content, so we run

486
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 8: in that like thirty six to thirty seven gallons to one.

487
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 8: If you do birch, it's going to be eighty to one. Oh,

488
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 8: it's a lot longer processed cooking it down, you're basically

489
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 8: just boiling the water off. And you can also do

490
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 8: box elder. Now I have not done that, but people

491
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 8: in southern Minnesota say it's more of a nutty flavored

492
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 8: syrup when you're done, I guess it's really really good.

493
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 8: I have never got to try it yet, but I know,

494
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 8: you know, I've got a couple of friends, don't there

495
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 8: that do it, And you know, those are the three

496
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 8: that I've heard of.

497
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: What about tapping the tree?

498
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: Is there is there something that people need to know

499
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: about putting the taps in the trees or location or

500
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: a year after year.

501
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean you want to use a

502
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 8: very very sharp bit. I use it three sixteenths.

503
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: You can.

504
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 8: There's two different types of spouts or spiles is what

505
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 8: they're called. There's a quarter and there's three sixteens. I

506
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 8: like to use the smaller ones. And you drill the

507
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 8: hole in about two inches, angle it up slightly, and

508
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 8: you know, you pound the spile in with a hammer,

509
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 8: just not it doesn't go in very far. And when

510
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 8: you remove that at the end of the year, there's

511
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 8: no damage. It will heal up. But the next year

512
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 8: you want to look at and you can see the

513
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 8: scar where that spile was. You do not want to

514
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 8: put the next hole in the same vertical or horizontal

515
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 8: position that that spile was in. So you want to

516
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 8: go up into the right, or up into the left,

517
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 8: or down into the right. You know, you don't want

518
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 8: to put them in a line.

519
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: Is the Are you doing damage to the tree, whether

520
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: you're stealing the the sap going up?

521
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 8: No, no you're not. I thought about it at one point,

522
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 8: you know, taking tree branches and driving a little plug

523
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 8: in there and stuff. And I did a lot of

524
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 8: reading on it, a lot of research, and they said,

525
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 8: don't do that. You can cause you can cause more

526
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 8: damage to a tree by introducing you know, bacteria or

527
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 8: you know, a disease from another tree by putting a

528
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 8: piece of wood in there.

529
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: You just leave it.

530
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 8: It will heal up, it'll stop dripping after a short period.

531
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 8: And it's early enough in the spring. You're not collecting

532
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 8: ants or bugs or anything in there, so that the

533
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 8: woodpeckers stay away from it. And we've never had any damage.

534
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 8: We've been doing this for a long, long, long time

535
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 8: and I've never lost a tree or seen anything you

536
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 8: know that's permanent. You know, you will see the scar

537
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 8: as the hold, but they eventually heal up.

538
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: What about the size of a tree you taped? Tom?

539
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: Our guest is Tom Whitehead, or from the Brainerd area

540
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: in this wa area. Tom, would do you have to

541
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: have a certain size before you can start tapping them?

542
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: Is there a size that is too big?

543
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 8: Well? Too big? No, too small? The general rule is,

544
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 8: and of course you don't see these much anymore, but

545
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 8: you know, a regular sized coffee can probably eight nine

546
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 8: inch diameter tree, nothing smaller than that. And I like

547
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 8: to I like to look at the tree and see

548
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 8: if it's you know, if it's growing straight and it's

549
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 8: a healthy tree and it's about that size, I will

550
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 8: put one spile in it and see if it's going

551
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 8: to run that year. Larger trees when you start to

552
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 8: get to be you know, an older tree, that's oh,

553
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 8: let's see you can barely reach around. You know, I

554
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 8: have like a six foot wingspan, and if I can

555
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 8: barely reach around the tree, I'll put two in it.

556
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 8: I have seen some giant maples where people will put

557
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 8: three in it. You go around the tree and now

558
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 8: hang three different spiles on one tree. It's doable.

559
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: You mentioned a moment ago that late season syrup. Some

560
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 3: people focus on using that on meat. Do you have

561
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: a go to apple cation from maple syrup and you

562
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: know park for instance or what what? How do you

563
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 3: use it when you're cooking meat?

564
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 8: Well, it's mostly for you know, like like pork. Yeah,

565
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,479
Speaker 8: ham it's a good glaze and hams. Like I said,

566
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 8: we don't do a lot with that. If we have

567
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 8: some left over older stuff, we'll do the sugar, or

568
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 8: we'll do the caramels. Pop up a bunch of popcorn,

569
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 8: put it on a cookie sheet, sprinkle some of the

570
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 8: maple syrup over it, throw it back in the oven

571
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 8: for a little while, and you've got some of the

572
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 8: best caramel corn you're ever gonna eat, you know. And

573
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 8: I keep, I keep in my head. You know, it's

574
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 8: like I tell my wife, I said, I put I

575
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 8: put a super food maple syrup on my ice cream,

576
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 8: so that offsets it.

577
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 3: You know. It's almost almost like food.

578
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 8: It's like it's like ordering a big mac and a

579
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 8: large fry and coat.

580
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

581
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's it's an interesting concept, and I

582
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: guess I've never really tried that. I've seen I've seen

583
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: pictures of places that have as far as collect and

584
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: do you use a bucket or a bag, because I've

585
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: seen some places that have tubes on them too.

586
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean we still use the bags. We've got

587
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 8: the metal hangers with the bags on it. Because of

588
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 8: the way we collect and stuff in five gallon buckets,

589
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 8: it's a lot easier for us. You can use buckets.

590
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 8: Some people will take oh, milk cartons, you know, the

591
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 8: plastic milk jugs and sanitize them and drill a hole

592
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 8: and cut a hole in it and hang those on there.

593
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 8: But we've got times where our bags will be completely

594
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 8: full or overflowing when it's really running the tube system.

595
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 8: Most of what you see of the tube system is

596
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,479
Speaker 8: what's called a vacuum system. A lot of those people

597
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 8: are doing it commercially, oh okay, and it's almost like

598
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 8: a milking machine. I mean it's they collect more than

599
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 8: you would with just a gravity feed like a bag

600
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 8: or a bucket. And it's mostly like I said, the

601
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 8: commercial people, they'll run tubes all over the woods. They'll

602
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 8: run them for you know, one hundred yards and collect

603
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 8: it all into a tank because they might only come

604
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 8: around and collect once a week, so they have it

605
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 8: all coming down into one big collection tank where we

606
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 8: collect every day, sometimes tolas the day on it's really runing.

607
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: Okay, then do you will does the sap or the

608
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: what you collect out of the tree does that?

609
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: Can you hold that for a little.

610
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: Bit before you start making it, or do you have

611
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: to make the syrup right away?

612
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 8: Well, it depends on the temperature. We keep it in

613
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 8: the garage where there's very little sunlight coming into our

614
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 8: garage and the floor of the garage is pretty cool.

615
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 8: I can keep it, you know, if the temperature is

616
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 8: so let's say forty or below. I can keep it

617
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 8: for about a week in the garage. We use just

618
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 8: regular plastic garbage cans. Of course, we sanitize everything. You know,

619
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 8: you've got to use a little bit of bleach in

620
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 8: the water, and you don't want any bacteria. You enter

621
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 8: to the bacteria or we'll cause it to spoil. And

622
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 8: you can tell because you'll you'll take the lid off

623
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 8: and you look at if there's a little film on

624
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 8: top and it smells a little sour, it's it's gone bad.

625
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 8: And we have had that happen later in the season

626
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 8: when it starts to get warm. But for the first

627
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 8: time ever, and we do it old school. We like

628
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 8: to do it the old school way. Nothing is added

629
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 8: to our syrup. Some people add foam killer because it

630
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 8: will foam up as you e're operating. We don't even

631
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 8: add foam killer. There's nothing added to our syrup. It's

632
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 8: all natural. So we finally broke down late last year

633
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 8: and then never got to use it this it's too

634
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 8: late in the season. But I bought an ro system,

635
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 8: which is a reverse osmosis system. So what we'll do

636
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 8: this next year, because you know, I'm standing out there

637
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 8: cooking for sixteen eighteen hours a day. Now, with a

638
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 8: RO system, I can pump from one garbage can into

639
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 8: another one, and I can do this overnight and it

640
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 8: will take out about forty percent of the water. So

641
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 8: you end up with, you know, one one can will

642
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 8: have perfectly clean water in it that it's removed, and

643
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 8: the other one will have the sap. And what that'll

644
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 8: do is that'll either cut my cooking time down, you know,

645
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 8: from sixteen eighteen hours to maybe ten or twelve hours,

646
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 8: or it will also increase my production. If I want

647
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 8: to stand out there for sixteen hours now, I'm going

648
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 8: to have higher production, right because I'm removing forty percent

649
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 8: of that water before i even start the fire. Okay,

650
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 8: now that being said, my wife and I both said,

651
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 8: now if this changes the quality of our syrup or

652
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 8: the flavor, we're going back to the old way, got it,

653
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 8: Because that's the most important to us is we like

654
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 8: to have a good a good good product, and we

655
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 8: consider ourselves a small batch operation and we can control

656
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 8: the quality that way. And there again we tried. You know,

657
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 8: there's ways to check the sugar content. You can do

658
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 8: it with a oh, it looks like a little rifle

659
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 8: scope and it'll tell you the sugar content. They're about

660
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 8: three hundred dollars apiece. You can do it with a hydrometer,

661
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 8: which we used to have, and I got rid of that.

662
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 8: We went back to taste and texture, and like I said,

663
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 8: we will. I'll cook it down to where I can

664
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 8: tell it's almost ready, and then we'll run it through

665
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 8: the filters. We'll bring it in the house in a

666
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 8: food grade bucket. We'll put it in the garage lot

667
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 8: a cool down overnight, and we'll finish it on the

668
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 8: stove in the house the next day. By temperature, you'll

669
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 8: put a thermometer and there's a certain temperature we get

670
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 8: it too, which is kind of secret. We don't tell

671
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 8: anybody what the temperature is because we've worked hard over

672
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 8: the years to get that right on, spot on, and

673
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 8: then we run it through the filters and we can it.

674
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: Huh. And you said your small batch? Is this a

675
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 3: small batch for just you and family?

676
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: Do you?

677
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: Is it Christmas guests? Or are you selling some of

678
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: this syrup?

679
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 8: I do not sell any We decided that when we

680
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 8: started years ago. I've got friends that do it just

681
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 8: around me. Here, not too far away. I've got one

682
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 8: friend who's a veteran. He's in a wheelchair and he

683
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 8: does it. He's got a fantastic setup just him. He

684
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 8: can run around in his chair and do everything he

685
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 8: needs to. He'll even get on the floor with her

686
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 8: and go and collect. He sells it. He sells it

687
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 8: for I think it's twenty dollars a court ten dollars.

688
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 3: A pint, and that may have gone up.

689
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,959
Speaker 8: I know it all went up about a year ago,

690
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 8: like everything else, But we pretty much like you said

691
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 8: Christmas gifts, we trade it with some people for honey

692
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 8: We have, you know, people we know that have honey bees,

693
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 8: and you know, we only give it away to people

694
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 8: like you, people that will appreciate it, because I've watched

695
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 8: people take it and pour it over their pancakes like

696
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 8: they're trying to drown them, and I sit there and

697
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 8: bite my lip and I'm just like, oh my gosh,

698
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 8: you know, they're going to waste.

699
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 3: Half of it.

700
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 8: So it's one of the things where we're very, very

701
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 8: proud of it and the quality of our product, but

702
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 8: we aren't going to just give it away, you know,

703
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 8: willy nilly, to people that don't appreciate what goes into it.

704
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: Do you have it? So a quick text for you, Tom,

705
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 3: gentlemen sixty five to one number wants to know we

706
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 3: didn't call him, Well, not your neighbor that's been awakened.

707
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 3: Well wants to know how long syrup stays good in storage?

708
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 8: Once you produce the syrup, as long as it's in

709
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 8: the jar. We've kept it for a couple of years

710
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 8: in a cool, dry place. Once you open it, it

711
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 8: needs to be refrigerated, and you'll be able to tell,

712
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 8: because it is a natural product. If it gets any

713
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 8: mold in it, you'll see a floating in there, or

714
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 8: you know, I mean, you'll be able to tell when

715
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 8: it goes bad. I've never had any go bad in

716
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 8: a refrigerator, but I have had some go bad in

717
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 8: the jars. Now that being said, syrup being it's natural

718
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 8: and it runs through the filter system twice, which is

719
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 8: it's a very very fine filter system. You will see

720
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 8: some sediment in the jars. Some people call it a cloud,

721
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 8: and it kind of looks like a cloud in it.

722
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 8: If you turn it upside down and shake little bit,

723
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 8: it'll go away. All that is is just minerals. We

724
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 8: try to filter out anything we can, but you're always

725
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 8: going to have a little bit in there, you know,

726
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 8: in a real natural product like that.

727
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: Can the can the syrup be frozen?

728
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 8: I have never tried it. I don't know that it

729
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 8: would be a good idea because it's you know it

730
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 8: is it is natural sugar, and it seems like every

731
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 8: time you freeze anything like that, it's going to get

732
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 8: very crystallized. I've never tried it, but I just I

733
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 8: don't think it would be a good idea.

734
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 3: Okay, just put it on your ice cream, captain exactly.

735
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 8: I mean people, if it's really cold and the clean

736
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 8: snow on the ground, people will take it right out

737
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 8: of the pan and just kind of drizzle it in

738
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 8: the snow and you can pick it up and eat

739
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 8: it like an icicle. I've never tried that with my

740
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 8: dog back. I don't have a lot of clean snow,

741
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 8: so I'm not gonna.

742
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tried it on the yellow snow yet.

743
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 2: That's salty, salty, No, no, no, no, I don't think

744
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. We have we have, we have, we

745
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 2: have exhausted the segment, and I didn't even get to

746
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: where we wanted to go. I apologize for that. Can

747
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 2: you stay with us for another one?

748
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: Wonderful?

749
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: Our guest is uh maple syrup expert. I couldn't train

750
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: a thought rug gone through again.

751
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: Well, once again, apologize to and everybody in Greater Minnesota.

752
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 3: That's true.

753
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's who we get to call later in the show.

754
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: That's a mystery guess. Get ready cook, We'll take that

755
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: pauseibll be right back with more with Tom Whitehead after this.

756
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 3: One minute after the hour.

757
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: Of seven o'clock on a fan outdoor Saffer day morning.

758
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 3: Yep.

759
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: Our guest right now is mister Tom Whitehead, excellent, excellent angler,

760
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: but very very accomplished maple syrup creator too. It is

761
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: very very good.

762
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: But anyway, Tom, I was wondering one.

763
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 2: I think that you've probably got ice up there, and

764
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: that's probably pretty accurate.

765
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 3: Have you got fisherble ice?

766
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 4: Yeah?

767
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 8: You know on the smaller lakes and bays, there's guys

768
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 8: getting out. I haven't ventured out yet. I tend to

769
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 8: wait a little bit longer and I'll get to that

770
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 8: why I do that. But there, you know the North

771
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 8: Long Bay from Highway three seventy one here, there been

772
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 8: guys out there for the last three or four days,

773
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 8: gall you know, big main Lake Gull is still not

774
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 8: not even I don't think it's completely frozen over yet

775
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 8: from what I've seen, but yeah, there's been people out here.

776
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 8: This is the last and it looks like this next

777
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 8: week is going to lock everything up pretty well.

778
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: What typically in the winter and winter ice?

779
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 8: Uh?

780
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 3: Is it good fishing as good as during the summer.

781
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 8: Yes, and no. You know, if you're on the right stuff,

782
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 8: you got to remember, you know, you're not your mobility

783
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 8: is limited. So yeah, you know, I see people go

784
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 8: out and sit on the same spot for weeks at

785
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 8: a time, and I'm not like that. I'm I got

786
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 8: to be moving. I got to find the fish. As

787
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 8: long as you're as long as you're adaptable, you know

788
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 8: you're gonna You're gonna do very well. Is it?

789
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: Is it a popular destination for a lot of people

790
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: from not around your area?

791
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 8: Not so much. You know, we've got we're kind of

792
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 8: surrounded by you've got malaxs, you got leech, and you

793
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 8: got red of course. And my wife was coming home

794
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 8: from work yesterday she said she could not believe how

795
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 8: many trailers with four wheelers and sawbills and you know

796
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 8: portable fish houses she saw heading north, and I would

797
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 8: assume they're all head enough to red because that's on

798
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 8: fire right now. People are doing very well up.

799
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: There, Okay, yeah, that's yeah.

800
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: In fact, there's kind of a parade that heads up

801
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: their wheelhouse parade. When we get more ice too, I'm

802
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 2: guessing they're now it's not good enough for the wheelhouses got,

803
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: but I have no idea.

804
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: I hear they have.

805
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 8: They have like eight to ten inches up there right

806
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 8: now from what I read it. I ay read what

807
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 8: Beacon has gotten Jr's and Rogers, and they're they're talking

808
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 8: there are some cracks, you know, like always you gotta

809
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 8: you gotta be smart. Yeah, and it's I've been up

810
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 8: there enough to know that everybody wants to run out

811
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 8: to the deepest water as quick as they can. They

812
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 8: get out to that thirteen foot mark. We'll sit in

813
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 8: eight feet on that lake all winter long and catch walleyes.

814
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 8: There's no reason to run out to the drop off.

815
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 8: It's it's a whole different structure up there than it

816
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 8: is like the lakes around here.

817
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: Behave differently or as far as what you say, the structure,

818
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: fish are different on different types of structure as far

819
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: as the lake goes.

820
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 8: That lake up there, you know, the walleyes followed the

821
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 8: schools of shiners, and they just roamed. There's no real

822
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 8: structure like you see on Malax, where there's rock piles

823
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 8: and mudflat and you know drop offs that go from

824
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 8: eight feet to twenty feet. You know very quickly it's

825
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 8: more of just a gradual slope. If you can find

826
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 8: any boulders or rocks or anything like that and hang

827
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 8: in that area, you're going to catch fish all day long.

828
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 8: We had a group of veterans up there one year

829
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 8: and we had some rental houses that were donated, and

830
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 8: one guy in the corner of the one house kept

831
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 8: catching fish after fish after fish, and the guys in

832
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 8: the rest of the house were getting a few, but

833
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 8: not like he was. We finally ran a camera down her.

834
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 8: Here's a big boulder just off to the side of

835
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 8: the hole he was fishing. So in the leaf like

836
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 8: that where it's more of a big bowl, anything will

837
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 8: hold the fish or attract the fish, and in that instance,

838
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 8: it just happened to be one rock, you know, it

839
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 8: was probably a two foot by three foot rock, and

840
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 8: he just happened to grab that hole and he was

841
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 8: he was out fishing everybody probably two or three to one.

842
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 3: Well, I suppose there's food around it too, right, And it's.

843
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 8: Just it's just a place where, you know, maybe that's

844
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 8: where they go, and then they turn and go the

845
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 8: other direction.

846
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 3: It's just yah.

847
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 8: I always think of fishing in the winter time. It's

848
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 8: kind of deer hunting. Are you going to sit out

849
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 8: in the middle of a field or are you going

850
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 8: to sit on the edge of a woodlot? You know

851
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 8: what I mean. It's it's there's travel corridors, yeah, and

852
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 8: and the big fish are going to follow those same corridors.

853
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of deer hunting, how did your hunt go

854
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: this year?

855
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 8: It was tough. We we never shot a deer. The

856
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 8: week that I go down with my buddies. The weather

857
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 8: was good, I mean there was dose and estras would

858
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 8: come in. We'd watch them come in and urinate in

859
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 8: the in the scrapes, and we'd wait, you know, get

860
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 8: your hopes up. And no bucks. The bucks were around,

861
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 8: we'd see them on cameras and but they just didn't

862
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 8: seem to be chasing full moon that week. I don't

863
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 8: know if that had anything.

864
00:49:59,080 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: To do with it.

865
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 8: But I had read an article a few months before that,

866
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 8: and I can't find it again. I don't know where

867
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 8: it came from. But they said it was going to

868
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 8: be a very non typical rut in Minnesota this year

869
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 8: or in the Midwest. They were right, they were spot on.

870
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 3: It was.

871
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 8: It was very strange.

872
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, really I wanted to fask more the the the

873
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: rule than the exception.

874
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: Now too, Yeah, it had.

875
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 8: Yeah, it has been kind of sorted. Now. Last year,

876
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 8: I was down there and there's four of us, and

877
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 8: my son law shot his deer in the afternoon, my

878
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 8: buddy shot his the next morning, and my other buddy

879
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 8: shot his that evening. So there's three deer down, really

880
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 8: mature bucks down in a day and a half.

881
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 3: Well, now, I didn't hear you mentioned, Yeah I didn't.

882
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 8: I didn't. I didn't even touch my bow. I sat

883
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 8: in the tree and watched dozen funds.

884
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: Last year's Oh okay, well that's you know, it's entertainment.

885
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 2: I'm going to qualify it that way.

886
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 8: Well, you know, it's the camaraderie. Yeah, it's the food

887
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 8: that we and we've been doing it and we've been

888
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 8: friends for so many years, and we fished down there

889
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 8: we fished the little rivers down there, and last year

890
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 8: the fishing was phenomenal. This year was tough. You know.

891
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 8: I caught a lot of nice pike, but I think

892
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 8: we only planted two walleys. But there again, it's the

893
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 8: it's just the experience and the memories and being outdoors.

894
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 8: And you guys get it.

895
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people don't.

896
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 8: Well, you didn't get a deer that was horrible, No,

897
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 8: it wasn't. The memories are still there, you know.

898
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's not about the animal all the time,

899
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: not at all. No, if that's the only thing you

900
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: can measure your success or not buy, you should probably

901
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: find something else.

902
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 8: Right. It's just like the people that have to be

903
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 8: the first one's out in the ice. I said, you

904
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 8: know what, You're not going to find too many people

905
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 8: more passionate about fishing than me. But I will not

906
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 8: go out there on that thin ice. I'll go up

907
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 8: to the grocery store and buy a steak. And I

908
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 8: love fishing and I love eating fish and whatever, but

909
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 8: it's not worth it.

910
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 3: Now.

911
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: There in a fish in the world that's worth eyeing

912
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: over going through the ice.

913
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 8: Even we and they're again, if you get on that subject,

914
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 8: we lost a young kid right across the road from

915
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 8: me on around Lake not too many years ago. Hi

916
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 8: and his buddy were on four wheelers and there was

917
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 8: a bunch of people out there fishing that was good ice,

918
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 8: but there was a big open spot that had just

919
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 8: frozen a few days before that, and they took off

920
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 8: on our four wheelers and they both went through, and

921
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 8: the one guy survived, and he didn't, he sunk immediately,

922
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 8: and a sixteen year old kid. And it was at

923
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 8: the same time when I was a sales rep, when

924
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 8: I was repping one of the first floating suits that

925
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 8: had come out for ice fishing, and all I could

926
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 8: think of was, man, if he had a suit on,

927
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 8: he'd had a chance, you know, and it's just not

928
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 8: worth it. It just isn't. And well, you know, over

929
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 8: the years, and I've been on the ice for over

930
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 8: fifty years, and I've developed what I call the half rule.

931
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 8: It's something I just came up from my head years ago.

932
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 8: You know, you can go out with a spot bar

933
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 8: right now and check the ice, and guys are finding

934
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 8: three to six inches. Some lakes are finally eight. But

935
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 8: I'll guarantee you somewhere out there where you're fishing, there's

936
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 8: going to be half of that. Now we'll half of

937
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 8: that support you. So you know, if there's six inches somewhere,

938
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 8: there's gonna be three. And I'm not a little guy.

939
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 8: I'm six three two fifty, so three inches of ice.

940
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 3: Is pretty iffy.

941
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 8: So I wait until we get a little more ice

942
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 8: because that half rule is something I've always lived by,

943
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 8: and it's I don't know if it's vegetation, current in

944
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 8: the water, whatever, but somewhere out there there's going to

945
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 8: be half of the ice that you checked. So if

946
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 8: there's six inches or maybe, I'll wait till there's you know,

947
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 8: eight inches of ice and then I'll go out there.

948
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 3: No problem. I guess there's Tom whitehead and Tom.

949
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: With with that being said, difference between summer and winter,

950
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: the fish behavior totally different.

951
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 8: Uh, you know, things slow down. They claim the only

952
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 8: fish that that gains weight in the winter time as

953
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 8: a pike because they're always on the move. But most

954
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 8: fish become lethargic. That's why you don't catch the many

955
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 8: largemouth bass until like late ice towards March, because they

956
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 8: pretty much become dormant in that cold water. You know,

957
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 8: they've got to feed. So basically you need to try

958
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 8: to find a feeding area, and that's either you know,

959
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 8: a hard bottomed spot, a hole in the weeds. I've

960
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 8: got some spots I fish where it's all coontail and

961
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 8: there's some big cuts up in that coontail, and the

962
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 8: fish will come up in there and you know they

963
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 8: there again. It's kind of like the rock up on

964
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 8: Red Lake. Maybe they come up in there and they

965
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 8: make the turn. I'm not sure, but it's any place

966
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 8: like that will increase your odds. And that's what I'm

967
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 8: always looking for in the wintertime, someplace that's going to

968
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 8: increase your odds. I don't want to go out and

969
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 8: fish in big flats like I'm fishing in the middle

970
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 8: of a desert. I want to find that clump of

971
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 8: grass in the desert, or you know, the rock in

972
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 8: the desert. I want to find that thing that's going

973
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 8: to increase your odds.

974
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 2: Will you keep looking until you find that place? Or

975
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 2: do you rely on finding fish?

976
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 8: You know? I'm there again. I'm kind of a d D.

977
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 8: You want to come to fishing. I want to make

978
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 8: something happen, you know, the old the Lennards, I said,

979
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 8: there's ninety percent of fisher and ten percent of the lake. Yeah,

980
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 8: I want to find that ten percent, you know. I

981
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 8: mean it's and it takes some movement to do that.

982
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 8: You can't just sit in one spot. So it's great

983
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 8: to have a wheeler house and sit out there and

984
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 8: watch TV and catch a few fish. That's fine, that's great.

985
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 8: But when I'm out there, I'm in a portable, I'm

986
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 8: on the snowbiller as the four wheeler. I'm going to

987
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 8: keep moving til I find that. And it might be

988
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 8: ten feet away from more in fishing, it might be

989
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 8: one hundred yards away from were I'm fishing, but I'm

990
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 8: going to try to find that that hot spot. And

991
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 8: everybody's done it. Everybody knows there's a hot hole and

992
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 8: six feet away and the guys catch nothing, and it's

993
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 8: just you know, it can be it can be a

994
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 8: stalk to cabbage, it can be a rock, it can

995
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 8: be you know, a log, anything, but you got to move,

996
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 8: you gotta drill some holes.

997
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tom, I thank you for your time again. Gosh,

998
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: it's fun talking to you, my friend. And it's uh,

999
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: I guess we never know we're going to talk about.

1000
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, I said, I mean when we had to break there,

1001
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 8: I had to run to the door because I had

1002
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 8: a neighbor pissed off. Looked like.

1003
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 3: From vacation.

1004
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 8: You know this bomber mat and Sorrel boots and his robot.

1005
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 8: If I got a phone call at six thirty in.

1006
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: The morning, well tell them and give me a call

1007
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: and we can He'll he'll join us next week. Tom, Hey,

1008
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 2: thank you sir, and have a have a great weekend.

1009
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 3: Okay, you two thinks anytime you've.

1010
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: Got and we will do that again, mister Tom Whitehead

1011
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: and uh a great guest, enjoyable personality and one hell

1012
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 2: of a fisherman.

1013
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: Did you compete?

1014
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did. Okay, there's no competing. He just beat

1015
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 2: meat right down into the dirt. No, he's always real good.

1016
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 3: Most of the guys you competed against seemed to both

1017
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 3: pete bass anglers, and while I English, there's a awful

1018
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 3: lot about that that was not yours. Your style.

1019
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: I just wear a best when it came to tournaments,

1020
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 2: right right when it came to competition. I even then

1021
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 2: sometimes I didn't know anything, but I I got to

1022
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: fish walle Ice because of socc Lake, and I got

1023
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: to fish walle Ice with some success because of bass fishing, because.

1024
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 3: Giving you a few tips here.

1025
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I get pretty bored and I hate trolling,

1026
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: as you know, and I love casting and I like

1027
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: to be busy.

1028
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 3: It's exact same thing. Do not eat a sandwich on

1029
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 3: your boat. I'm very aware you like to be busy.

1030
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: Yea, there's some stories.

1031
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 3: I would agree.

1032
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: Almost flew out of the at one time and got

1033
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 2: yeah he got hell for yeah, for eating the sandwich

1034
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 2: start a tournament one time.

1035
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 3: He learned. He learned, I learned him.

1036
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's take a pause because we're going to take

1037
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: you to Albany, Minnesota, and you're going to visit mister

1038
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: Chu Austin at the Iron Horse Trading Company.

1039
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: Next. I had to keep an eye on Brett just

1040
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 3: to be sure my number was a good I was watching.

1041
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 3: I was watching h Brett. Have you actually have you

1042
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 3: been talking to people with these rug numbers this morning? No?

1043
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 3: They just keep ringing and ringing. I feel bad now. Afterwards,

1044
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 3: I was just wondering if you could di Dolores and

1045
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 3: you know cloque out Love. Yeah, we put her on

1046
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 3: the air. We're calling you to talk about fishing. What

1047
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 3: all right, all right, captain, I'll give it back now. Okay,

1048
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 3: thank you very much. Let's bring him to the conversation.

1049
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 3: A man that I met a long.

1050
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 2: Time ago, and he actually has taken care of most

1051
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: of my firearms along with some friends and also my boys.

1052
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 2: To mister Stu Austin. He is the owner of Iron

1053
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: Horse Trading Company in Albany, Minnesota, a really really nice shop.

1054
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 5: Stu.

1055
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 6: Good morning, sir, Good morning guys. You got the right

1056
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 6: phone number here.

1057
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 3: It was close, buddy, it was real close. Thanks for

1058
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 3: playing the log, Stu. I love it anything. No, it's

1059
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 3: not any time. Yes, it's wonderful. We can all give

1060
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 3: the captain of the goodness. All right, nice talking to Didn't

1061
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 3: you buy a Red Rider, baby gun? I did from Stu.

1062
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 3: That has that been given a gift yet? Yeah?

1063
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: Oh it's a birthday gift. It was just a gift, Okay,

1064
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 2: just a gift. And he is the proudest young man

1065
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 2: you will ever see in the world. That Red Rider

1066
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: has made a big difference.

1067
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 3: He was. I shall have Stu.

1068
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: I'll have to get you a picture of him carrying

1069
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 2: his red Wider and standing for a photo of it.

1070
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 3: It is pretty precious.

1071
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 6: But I got those pictures of myself when I was

1072
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 6: like six years old probably.

1073
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: And I've got it of his dad and his uncle too,

1074
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 2: because that's it's a wonderful way to start young people too.

1075
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: I mean, it really is.

1076
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 8: Then.

1077
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 2: I I used it with Eric and Shad to teach

1078
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 2: firearm safety more than anything, and appreciation of where the

1079
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 2: muzzle is headed and are pointed, and crossing fences and

1080
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff. But just to go out and

1081
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 2: plink and chipmunk management.

1082
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's what I use. I have a red

1083
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 3: redder at a pellet gun as a kid growing up,

1084
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 3: and that's too strong. Well, this was probably when you

1085
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 3: hit your brother in the hind end. It leaves him

1086
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 3: learning speaking from experience, huh. Anyway, Still, for.

1087
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 2: A lot of people, the seasons are over as far

1088
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 2: as firearm use. Does it benefit them to bring their

1089
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 2: guns in to be really cleaned well and then put

1090
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: them in the safe or wait until at a later date,

1091
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 2: maybe next summer, later summer before they're going to use them.

1092
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 6: This is a good time of year, and it's a

1093
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 6: good time of year for for several reasons. You know,

1094
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 6: first of all, we're still a little bit backed up

1095
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 6: with the muzzleoder season. There's always there's always emergencies right

1096
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 6: up till Christmas. But you know a few good reasons

1097
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 6: to do it right now is that, you know, if

1098
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 6: you if a person has some malfunctions out in the field,

1099
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 6: that's fresh in your mind. There's nothing more frustrating though,

1100
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 6: when somebody comes in, you know, midsummer, late summer, early

1101
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 6: fall and says, yeah, last last season, my gun was

1102
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 6: jamming and I go, well, okay, what was it doing.

1103
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 6: I well, I just said it was jamming, and that

1104
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 6: sort of sort of broad and it makes my job

1105
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 6: a little tougher, or that somebody brought it in today

1106
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 6: when they're done with it for the year, they can go, yeah,

1107
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 6: you know, I every time I shoot this thing, it

1108
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 6: ejects a shell but doesn't put the next one in,

1109
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 6: or it doesn't eject the shell but it just stays closed,

1110
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 6: or you know what I mean. It gives me a

1111
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 6: lot more to work with if somebody's problems are fresh

1112
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 6: in their mind. That's that's a big one.

1113
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 8: You know.

1114
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 6: Another good reason to do it is that as people,

1115
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 6: as people hunt and shoot throughout the hunting season, they

1116
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 6: tend to do a little bit of preventive maintenance, good

1117
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 6: or bad. You know, they're usually boiling their gun here

1118
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 6: and there as the season goes on. And for me,

1119
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 6: it's a lot easier to if a gun comes in

1120
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 6: for cleaning, it's a lot easier for me to clean

1121
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 6: that gun when things are kind of soft, you know,

1122
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 6: and they are when the gun's oily, Whereas if it

1123
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 6: sits all all winter, all summer and then comes in

1124
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 6: in the fall, things have a chance to dry up

1125
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 6: and get crusty, and it just takes a lot more time.

1126
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 6: And I guess probably the most important reason to get

1127
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 6: them in now is because we're not We're not at

1128
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 6: any sort of a deadline, right, so we've got some time.

1129
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 6: And that's a big one, you know, because I think

1130
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 6: I not that I do a bad job in the fall,

1131
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 6: but I think I, as I've got more time to

1132
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 6: spend on stuff. We just take our time a little

1133
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 6: bit more. And for the customer's sake, that's nice and

1134
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 6: for my sake, you know, I get a little more

1135
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 6: sleep at nights. I don't have to get here in

1136
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 6: the middle. Yeah, those are the big reasons why I

1137
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 6: would say I get them in now and get them

1138
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 6: taken care of, put them to, put them to bed

1139
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 6: for the winner and are ready for next next fall.

1140
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 3: Are they okay to sip then in a gun say

1141
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 3: or something for a matter of months?

1142
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean short answers. Yes, they can sit for

1143
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 6: matter of months. You shouldn't really have to do much

1144
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 6: with them if they're stored correctly. So if they're in

1145
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 6: a nice dry spot, you know, if if it's not

1146
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 6: a dry spot, running humid afire, I would suggest wipe

1147
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 6: them down with a good rock preventative. Most of these

1148
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 6: new synthetic gun oils do a fine job of preventing crust.

1149
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 6: A lot of people I know pull their guns out,

1150
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 6: and a lot of people just like playing with guns.

1151
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 8: You know.

1152
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 6: I happen not to be one of them because I

1153
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 6: do it every day. But yeah, a lot of people

1154
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 6: take mountain wipe them down occasionally. They make these these

1155
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 6: camarad and gun cloths or real and gun cloths.

1156
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 7: Or something like.

1157
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 6: Its silicon cloth doesn't hurt anything. The white and down periodically.

1158
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 6: But I would tell you if they're stored right, yeah,

1159
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 6: they're fine until next fall.

1160
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 3: What about the idea? Explain snapcaps and what's your perspective

1161
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 3: on if that's a worthwhile expense for storing your shotguns.

1162
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 6: You know, I'm kind of I'm kind of up in

1163
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 6: the air. A lot of people with certain types of guns,

1164
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 6: you know, a lot of trap shooters, a lot of

1165
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 6: people that put high volume of rounds to their guns

1166
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 6: like to store their guns with the strikers or the

1167
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 6: firing pins fired in a bolt action rifle, or the

1168
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 6: hammers forward in a and like you say, an over

1169
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 6: under or something like that to take the stress off

1170
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 6: off the springs. In order to do that and not

1171
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 6: not just dry fire a gun, people use snapcaps, and

1172
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 6: it's basically a dummy around that has a either a

1173
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 6: spring or a little plastic Delrin primer in it, just

1174
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 6: to kind of help take the wear and tear off

1175
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 6: the firing pins as you drive fire. Some guns, it

1176
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 6: doesn't hurt a thing to dry fire them. Some guns,

1177
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 6: it's tough on them. So as a real thumb, if

1178
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 6: you've got them, put them in there there Again, Before

1179
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 6: you put a snapcap in a chamber and leave it

1180
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 6: there for an act period of time, I would probably

1181
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 6: just wipe a nice code of oil in the chamber.

1182
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 4: You know.

1183
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 6: Anytime that you leave something in an area where there's

1184
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 6: tight tolerances. If there's any sort of oisture in there,

1185
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 6: it'll it'll cause ross. But no snapcaps. They're not a

1186
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 6: not a bad idea, And like say, if a person's

1187
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 6: going to do a lot of dry firing or practicing,

1188
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 6: then it's a real good idea to use them.

1189
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 2: What about leaving the springs cocked As far as storage goes, I'm.

1190
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 6: Kind of fifty to fifty on that one. Most of

1191
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 6: the new springs, most of the guns in new or

1192
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 6: springs and new guns are are good quality. They're silken

1193
01:06:56,120 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 6: carbide usually or really high grade stainless steel. It doesn't

1194
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 6: hurt anything to take that tension off them. I just

1195
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 6: I just cleaned the gun yesterday. It was a Browning

1196
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 6: semi automatic rifle that was probably made in the late sixties.

1197
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 6: And the spring what they call the action spring, which

1198
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 6: is the spring that tensions the bolt slams it forward

1199
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 6: in a semi automatic, that spring was about two inches

1200
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 6: short of a brand new one, which you know the

1201
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 6: spring overall is only about foot long, so that's pretty significant.

1202
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 6: So in a case like that, I would probably opt

1203
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 6: for closing the action on that gun when you store it.

1204
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 6: The hammer springs. It isn't going to hurt anything to

1205
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 6: drop them, but it probably isn't going to hurt anything

1206
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 6: to leave them cocked either.

1207
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: Okay, because that's for me personally, I'm always curious about

1208
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 2: that leaving leaving the tension on the spring, and I

1209
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 2: was always wondering if it made a difference or not.

1210
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: So that's a good comment for people to keep in

1211
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 2: mind too.

1212
01:07:56,040 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 3: I think, what what about the wood, you know, stocks

1213
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 3: and you know the forearm. Is there anything you should

1214
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 3: be doing to protect the wood or is it storage

1215
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 3: and protection for your firearms? More focused exclusively on the metal.

1216
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 6: I'd focus on the metal there again, most of the

1217
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 6: modern stuff has got such a such a heavy high quality,

1218
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 6: not lacquer, but you know, some sort of a polyurethane

1219
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 6: finish on it, that there shouldn't be a lot of drying,

1220
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 6: you know, expanding contracting going on. And again if it's

1221
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 6: a if it's a fairly dry place that you're storing

1222
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 6: or gun in, you shouldn't have to be you shouldn't

1223
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 6: have to be too careful with it. There Again, I

1224
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 6: use in the shop here for a cleaner lubricant, protect

1225
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 6: and type of treatment, I use something called ninety six

1226
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 6: gun treatment, and that stuff is it's nice that it

1227
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 6: leaves kind of a nice shiny coat on everything. I'll

1228
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 6: wipe the wood down with it, but I don't know

1229
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 6: that it really helps anything. Now, if you've got a

1230
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 6: gun that's just got to an oil finish, like a

1231
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,560
Speaker 6: linseed oil finish on it, then it you know, I

1232
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 6: would keep an eye on it. If you start getting

1233
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 6: hazy spots or it looks like it's drying out, then

1234
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 6: it's not a bad idea to rub them down a

1235
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 6: little bit with some lindseeed or even like Murphy's oil.

1236
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 6: So for something it'll break that up and keep it hydrated.

1237
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: Our guest is Stu Austin, who is the owner and

1238
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 2: the gunsmith at Iron Horse Trading Company in Albini, Minnesota,

1239
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 2: and invite you to stop on buy to just go in.

1240
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 2: And Christmas is a great time to get a red

1241
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 2: right or BB.

1242
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 6: Gun by the way for big ones too.

1243
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, I know that, and I mentioned it,

1244
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: and there's one coming in a young lady's future too.

1245
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 2: I can probably say that. But anyway, will you mentioned

1246
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 2: muzzle orders coming in now? Kind of an emergency yet

1247
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 2: this time of year what typically happens to the muzzle

1248
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 2: orders too.

1249
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, this year I've seen a lot of muzzleoders coming

1250
01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 6: in that are there, they're not really firing, their kind

1251
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 6: of half firing, and I don't know. It leaves me

1252
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 6: scratching my head. The only thing I can attribute it

1253
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 6: to is people cleaning their gun and maybe not getting

1254
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 6: all the oil dried out of the boar before they

1255
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 6: load them, or that powder being stored improperly and it's

1256
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 6: getting old. That's one big one. Otherwise, you know, another

1257
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 6: one is if somebody shoots a gun a lot or

1258
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 6: not even a lot, just shoots it a little bit

1259
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 6: and doesn't get the breech plug, which is the rearmost

1260
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 6: portion of the gun where the where the primer ignites

1261
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 6: and shoots fire into the into the powder charge to

1262
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 6: make it go off. When that if that flash hole

1263
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 6: gets plugged, people experience misfires. The biggest The biggest thing

1264
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 6: with muzzleloaders is they have to be kept clean, and

1265
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 6: people go, I only shot at once and that's enough.

1266
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 6: The powder, despite the fact that it's much cleaner than

1267
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 6: the old black powder that that people used to use,

1268
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 6: it's still far more corross of and and dirtier than

1269
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 6: any smokeless powder. So the big thing is shoot him,

1270
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 6: clean them immediately, even if you've only fired at once,

1271
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 6: and that'll prevent a lot of those a lot of

1272
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 6: those misfiring issues. But the biggest, I would say the

1273
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 6: biggest malfunction is misfiring with muscle orders.

1274
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 3: And the primer.

1275
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 2: When when I was a young lad, we were loading

1276
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 2: paper shells to shoot trap with, and my uncle had

1277
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 2: contributed to the loading supply, so he was he thought

1278
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 2: he was paying his way, but he wasn't because he

1279
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 2: bought fire damaged primers that had been watered, and the

1280
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 2: primers didn't totally ignite the powder in those shotgun shells

1281
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 2: all the time, and it left the wads partially in

1282
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 2: the barrel. And if it was in a kind of

1283
01:11:55,360 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 2: a panic situation and somebody wasn't thinking if over decoys

1284
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 2: and they just ejected and shot the barrels. Don't like

1285
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 2: that at all. When there's an obstruction in there. Would

1286
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 2: the primers ever be bad or do you ever.

1287
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 3: Hear of that?

1288
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 6: With with muscleloader stuff, Usually if the prime if the

1289
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 6: primer detonated. So if somebody comes in and says, like

1290
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 6: my gun, you know, that it went off, but the

1291
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 6: bullet just went ten yards out of the gun and dropped.

1292
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 6: And believe it or not, I've heard that about six

1293
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,560
Speaker 6: times this year. A lot of people up in this

1294
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 6: area because we're in slug zone hunt during in slug

1295
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 6: zone with muscloaders. I've ben hearing this for the last month,

1296
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 6: and I always tell people if the if the primer detonated,

1297
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 6: then there's probably nothing wrong with the gun itself. It

1298
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 6: could still be you know, it could still be the

1299
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 6: breech plug. You know that that fire is not getting

1300
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 6: through there. But if if it starts the powder burning

1301
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 6: and the powder doesn't burn right, there's nothing wrong with

1302
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 6: the gun. It's the powder. But uh, to answer your question, yeah,

1303
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 6: they can go bad, but usually if they if they pop,

1304
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 6: if you hear it pop, it's not the primer's fault.

1305
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 3: Oh okay, excellent. Cool.

1306
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well are you are you pretty busy now this

1307
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 2: time of year? Are people thinking holidays?

1308
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 6: It's kind of been weird.

1309
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 8: I am.

1310
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 6: I'm busy with gunsmithing, still doing stuff that came in

1311
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 6: and the believe it or not, taking on some of

1312
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 6: these jobs that I took in in the summer and

1313
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 6: kind of told people, I don't hold your breath breath

1314
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 6: because it's it's going to be it's going to be

1315
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 6: a while. So we're busy with that sort of stuff.

1316
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 6: We've been steady with uh with gun sales, people coming in,

1317
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 6: buying gift cards. Still still some ammunition. I mean, there's

1318
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 6: some diehards out there, there's the pheasants are still out,

1319
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 6: but it hasn't been crazy. It's a It's really a

1320
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 6: nice time of year because we're able to uh get

1321
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,839
Speaker 6: to people individually and and really spend some time with customers.

1322
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 2: When you you mentioned when you were on one of

1323
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,640
Speaker 2: the first times that there was a firearm that you

1324
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 2: wouldn't recommend initially, but now the quality is that that

1325
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 2: you will recommend it.

1326
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 3: I can't remember what who was making it or.

1327
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 6: What it was, just in general, I really despised anything

1328
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 6: made in Turkey as far as shotguns goes. The handguns,

1329
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 6: the rifles, they've been pretty darn good. But the shotguns

1330
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,799
Speaker 6: that were coming out of Turkey were, in my opinion

1331
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 6: or garbage. There are some inertia driven guns now being

1332
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,879
Speaker 6: imported from Turkey that are as close to a Banelli

1333
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 6: shotgun as you're going to get I don't think that

1334
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 6: there's any patent holding them up anymore. So they literally

1335
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 6: will will take a Banelli replacement part and we've been

1336
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 6: having really good.

1337
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 3: Luck with those. Interesting we got to add text for you, Stu.

1338
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 3: A gentleman wants to know if you buy vintage or

1339
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 3: used firearms.

1340
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm glad he called in because we've it's been

1341
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 6: kind of slow with used gun sales. And yes we do.

1342
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 6: In fact, you know, everybody every gun shop probably has

1343
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 6: a rule of thumb where they like to be as

1344
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 6: far as margins on used guns, and and we do

1345
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 6: here too, and I feel like we're a bit more

1346
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 6: generous than most places. Not to say that, not to

1347
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 6: say that everybody's going to make money on a gun

1348
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 6: that they bought, you know, last year. That's that's usually

1349
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 6: the toughest ones to come out ahead on is if

1350
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 6: you've got a brand new gun and you want to

1351
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 6: sell it. But yeah, we we pride ourselves on having

1352
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 6: a really good selection of used guns. It keeps people

1353
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 6: coming back every day, and so yeah, bring them on in.

1354
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 6: It takes literally a couple of minutes to come up

1355
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 6: with a fair price, and if it doesn't work out,

1356
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 6: no hard feelings. But in most cases, yeah, we can.

1357
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 6: We can send people away happy with a pocket full

1358
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 6: of money.

1359
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 3: Is there I most sought after sort of used guy

1360
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 3: thinking in my mind, there's there's so many Parkers collectors

1361
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 3: out there. Is there something that you know when you

1362
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 3: get it in your store, it's it's gone instantly.

1363
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 6: No, not really, because when something walks in, I don't

1364
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 6: necessarily have somebody in mind, but I do have a

1365
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 6: plan for almost.

1366
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 3: Everything that comes in.

1367
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 6: So you're right, there's people that love Winchester's sofa. Guy

1368
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 6: walks in with Winchester, I go, okay, I can either

1369
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 6: you know, do well with this one online or I

1370
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 6: know this guy. If somebody comes in with a military

1371
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 6: surplus rifle, I kind of cringe because you have to

1372
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 6: know so much about military stuff in order to not

1373
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 6: get burned with it. You know, you really got to

1374
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 6: know which stuff is period correct. But there again, I've

1375
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 6: got I got certain people that really are into that stuff, handguns,

1376
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 6: whether they're they're military collectors or something that's that's modern,

1377
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 6: it's it's all good in my mind. And there's some

1378
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,560
Speaker 6: stuff now that's good shotguns, good rifles. They're continued that

1379
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 6: you can't get parts for and people be surprised what

1380
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 6: those are worth to me, because I still need to

1381
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 6: fix the stuff, so sometimes I'll just buy them for parts.

1382
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 3: Interesting, interesting, Sue. I thank you, sir. And what time

1383
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 3: do you open today or are you open?

1384
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 6: No, I got some bathrooms to queen yet, I'll have

1385
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 6: the queen of bathrooms in Albany. So I open at

1386
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 6: nine o'clock and we're here to four o'clock on Saturdays,

1387
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 6: and during the week Tuesday through Friday, we're open nine

1388
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 6: to six.

1389
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,839
Speaker 3: And how can people find you, stuw.

1390
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 6: We're at two one Railroad Avenue, which is the main

1391
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,919
Speaker 6: street in Albany, or right across from that huge, beautiful

1392
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 6: Catholic church. And we've got a website. It's www dot

1393
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 6: Ironhorsetradingco dot com. Phone number here is three two zero

1394
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,719
Speaker 6: eight four or five for eight sixty seven.

1395
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 2: Wonderful, Thank you sir, and I'm sure we'll be talking again.

1396
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 2: If not, I'll see you soon.

1397
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,799
Speaker 6: Right, come by, all right, you guys have a great weekend.

1398
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 2: That's Stu Austin. Are you horse trading company? Very very knowledgeable.

1399
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 2: He I took five guns at a time to him

1400
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:14,480
Speaker 2: and some that were Eric and Shad's twenty gauge Remington

1401
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 2: pumps that didn't operate quite right because they had had

1402
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 2: especially Eric's had had a lot of shell slam through.

1403
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 3: And he fixed that.

1404
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 2: And it will be Jack's firearm, his first one. So yep,

1405
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 2: he does a great job, does great work. In fact,

1406
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 2: the thirty six that I had since high school is

1407
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 2: semi automatic. He looked at that until it cleaned it up.

1408
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 2: Said good to go, buddy, like it hasn't been fired hardly.

1409
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 3: Anyway. We'll take a pause, me back with one more

1410
01:18:48,840 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 3: segment after this last segment for this Saturday morning. But

1411
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,879
Speaker 3: keep it right here. Don't you dare.

1412
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 2: Touch that dial because you'll like what comes up next

1413
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 2: in the Zone with Davy Sinecon Trent Tucker follow us

1414
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 2: to UH stop on bar. Okay, but we're not quite

1415
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 2: going to let you go yet. What are your plans

1416
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 2: next week that you're not going to be here? Just

1417
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 2: you know, giving us the cold shoulder.

1418
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 3: I am heading south tomorrow, of course, you're swinging, swinging,

1419
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:45,560
Speaker 3: swinging through UH through southern Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska on my

1420
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 3: way to Kansas tomorrow tomorrow. I get eleven hour drive

1421
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 3: tomorrow to Kansas on him. I hope I don't get

1422
01:19:55,800 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 3: blown away. Uh Forecastlek's fingers, O Captain looks pretty good.

1423
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 3: We will be filming late season this year Rooster road

1424
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 3: Trip in Kansas, all public land pheasants and hopefully some

1425
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 3: Bob white quail will participate. And so we're going down

1426
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 3: kind of south central Kansas for a couple of days,

1427
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 3: then moving a little bit north and so be hunting

1428
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 3: all week, filming variety of stories about public access programs

1429
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 3: at Pheasants Forever and quail Forever have done in Kansas.

1430
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 3: Kansas is one of those states that has really suffered

1431
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 3: the last couple of years related to Conservation Reserve Program

1432
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 3: CRP loss. More than a million acres have disappeared from

1433
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 3: CRP acres in Kansas, and their bird numbers have have

1434
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,560
Speaker 3: dropped significantly. So Rooster Road Trip is a way to

1435
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:03,560
Speaker 3: for Ourization to highlight habitat losses, and you know, what

1436
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 3: are some of the things that we're doing to replace

1437
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 3: some of those acres? Hunter numbers are they That's a

1438
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 3: good question. I don't know off the top of my

1439
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 3: head what Kansas hunter numbers are these days. So yeah,

1440
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,640
Speaker 3: there's some background data. I gott to look into and

1441
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 3: what about the season links Uh, their season starts the

1442
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 3: first Saturday in November and I believe goes through the

1443
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 3: entirety of January. Oh yeah, huh is it?

1444
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 2: Have you ever had been hunting pheasants have been aware

1445
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 2: that there may be quail there, and uh, look for

1446
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 2: a pheasant and it turns out to be a couple

1447
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 2: of quail.

1448
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 3: Yes, which is surprising. They you know, that's that happens

1449
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 3: up here often with folks that are rough grouse hunting.

1450
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 3: You know, you can go into a spot and you think, oh,

1451
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 3: this looks grousy, and then a wood cock will come

1452
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 3: up and tornio and make you look foolish. You think

1453
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 3: about that and how difficult it is to kind of

1454
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 3: change your mindset in a split second. When you're walking

1455
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 3: into a spot you think, oh, it's gonna be a great, big, old,

1456
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 3: gaudy rooster in a covey of twelve quail get up

1457
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 3: like a swarm of bumblebees. That'll leave you feeling pretty foolish.

1458
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 3: But it's just fabulous. Have you hunted quail over it is?

1459
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 3: I mean just one of the most underrated or just

1460
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 3: love love bob boy quail.

1461
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 2: It's got to be a little like the Hungarian partridge

1462
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 2: used to be then too.

1463
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're kind of a I think that's a

1464
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 3: good comparison, a kind of a small hunt.

1465
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 2: But they get up instantly, everybody, and they all go

1466
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 2: the different directions mostly.

1467
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 3: It's kind of a too. They either go a variety

1468
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:07,799
Speaker 3: of different directions or they kind of go all together

1469
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 3: in one and and then you you know, it's you

1470
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 3: have this or this tendency to just flox shoot them

1471
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 3: yeh and you miss everything.

1472
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 2: Yep, I remember, yeah, I do remember Hungarians and yeah, sure,

1473
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 2: a fun little bird.

1474
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, oh, Katie bar the door. Yes, I was

1475
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 3: double check. In Kansas season, pheasant and quail season started

1476
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 3: November eighth, so think about that. They haven't even been

1477
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 3: hunting in Kansas for a month. Yeah, they go through

1478
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 3: January thirty. First, you can shoot four roosters a day

1479
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 3: in Kansas eight quail. So I'm not going out there

1480
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 3: expected to be carrying twelve birds in my game vest.

1481
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 3: But it's been a couple of years since I hunted

1482
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 3: in Kansas. It is. It's a little bit different because

1483
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 3: there's virtually no cattail hunting in Kansas. You're hunting tall grass,

1484
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 3: tall tall grass or short grass. I mean it depends

1485
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 3: a lot of wheat stubble in Kansas. Onyx can be

1486
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 3: just absolutely it's it's such an important tool. But one

1487
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 3: of the things in the Great Plains. From the road,

1488
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 3: you know, it might just look like a wheat stubble field.

1489
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 3: But then if you look at on ax, you think, oh,

1490
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:38,639
Speaker 3: there's a draw a quarter of a mile over the ridge,

1491
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 3: and in that draws a pocket a habitat, and it

1492
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 3: could just be a quail gold mine. So you better

1493
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 3: put on your walking shoes. Is that what you're saying,

1494
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 3: I've got my walking it's you have to have be

1495
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:57,719
Speaker 3: prepared for more steps. When you're hunting Kansas and Nebraska, however,

1496
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 3: you will not have that you know, that grass pulling

1497
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 3: against you like when you're trying to bust cattails. Is

1498
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 3: it Kansas that the the I've seen pictures where it's red.

1499
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 3: Clay is red. And there's lots of driving and not

1500
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 3: a lot of towns in between. You're describing a lot

1501
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 3: of states that I've been to you there's a lot

1502
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 3: of muddy roads. See, if you get any wet sort

1503
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 3: of weather, it becomes gumbo there's not a lot of towns,

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Speaker 3: particularly when you start heading West Kansas. You know you

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Speaker 3: can be out there. You want to make sure you

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Speaker 3: get a full tank of gas. But yeah, we're filming

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Speaker 3: next week and then the entire month of January will

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Speaker 3: be releasing Rooster road Trip content, and then Pheasant Fest

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Speaker 3: will be here. Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: And here this weekend is the Ice Show too, So

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Speaker 2: if you're looking for something to do in Saint Paul,

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Speaker 2: that's where it is.

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Speaker 8: Hey.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to our guests this morning, to Denny Fletcher

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Speaker 2: and Fletcher's Bate, to Tom Whitehead up in the Niswa area,

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Speaker 2: Stu Austin Iron Horse Trading Company, and thank you for

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Speaker 2: allowing us to travel with you this morning. For Bob

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Speaker 2: Saint Pierre, my very good friend, for Brett Blakemore, our

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Speaker 2: executive producer. I am Billy Hildebrand saying keep it here, buddy,

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Speaker 2: keep it right here, because in the zone is next

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Speaker 2: till next week. I will leave you with two words

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Speaker 2: my thanks and Tata