1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: It's the RNL Carriers pregame sports talk show presented by 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: your Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky Toyota Dealers on Moeger, Bengals 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: and Ravens. Coming up tonight. Countdown to kickoff just over 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: an hour away at seven pm with Wayne box Miller. 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: Robert win Troup joins My show on Thursdays Today's Thursday 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Magazine dot com. He has a Bengals column that 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: he writes every single week, So uh, do this instead 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: of instead of, like, I don't know, talking about politics 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: with your family at the Thanksgiving table, Read Robert's column 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: and then use that to come up with topics for 11 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: your Thanksgiving dinner conversation. There you go, Robert is kind 12 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: enough to join us. It's awesome to have you. Happy Thanksgiving, Robert, 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: how are you? 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: Yes? And you know I've made a no Bengals talk 15 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: rule for this Thanksgiving on the house, just Turkey only. 16 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: But then the Bengals that schedule game that night, so 17 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: even that doesn't work out this season? 18 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, well, hopefully I believe they don't room Thanksgiving. 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: We will see. I'm gonna start positive. I'm gonna start positive. 20 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: The Bengals did lose last week to the Patriots, but 21 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: sweet to come out of that game complaining about the 22 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: lack of effort on defense. And Joe Stone had a 23 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: good game, like you know, the walking pinata. If I'm 24 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: going to beat him up when he's bad, I got 25 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: a credit on what he's good. He had a good game, 26 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: had a pick six, made a nice play of the 27 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: goal line. Over All, the defense wasn't perfect, but it 28 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: was better. Can I can I cling to the idea 29 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: that they started to turn the corner against the Patriots? 30 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: Well, if you mean by they turned a corner into 31 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: the path of an on rushing car, then I guess 32 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 2: say that. Yeah, they're still historically bad. They are still 33 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: the worst team by DVA through eleven games in DVOA history. 34 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 2: But they're right on the verge of catching those pesky 35 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine forty nine ers, just a tent a 36 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: percentage point behind him. So one more good effort and 37 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: I think maybe they'll get out of that odious last 38 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: place there. Listen, did they play better on Sunday? Absolutely? 39 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: You know, they even showed Drake May kind of confused 40 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: a little bit. And I don't want to say who's 41 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: chasing ghosts or whatever the you know, the term is 42 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: for a confused quarterback. But you know, he didn't look 43 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: like the MVP caliber guy that we were like he was, 44 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: So guys we've written off, like you said, g know Stone, 45 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: certainly Miles Murphy had another, you know, pretty solid game, 46 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: and even barrk Carter made a handful of decent plays. 47 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 2: Just generally, they combined what they had been doing, which 48 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 2: is running around like chickens with their head cut off. 49 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: They showed some situational awareness, I think for the first 50 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: time in a long long time, and and you know, 51 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: married high energy, which you know, they it's not like 52 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: they had completely given up through most of these games. 53 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: They were trying. They were just using the opposing teams 54 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: were using that effort against them in a lot of ways, 55 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: and you know, demoralizing them by using that energy against 56 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: them so much so now that you know, you kind 57 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: of married that energy with actual execution and that's what 58 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: you want to see now, you know, does that mean 59 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: they're going to hold the Ravens to nine points? And 60 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: when the game seems unlikely, does it mean that we 61 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: can count on a lot of these guys as building 62 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 2: blocks for twenty twenty six and beyond also likely, but 63 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 2: you know, it's at least something, and I think Al 64 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: Golden is going to point to it and say, hey, 65 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: this is what we've been telling you guys all along. 66 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: See what happens when you actually listen to the message. 67 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: And I think that can only be a good thing 68 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 2: going forward. And you know, hopefully as the season plays out, 69 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: at least we'll have, you know, a defense that at 70 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: least keeps the team in the game and doesn't give 71 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 2: it away completely week after week. And that's where you 72 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: saw this past Sunday and hopefully for the rest of 73 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 2: the year. 74 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: I almost hate to do this because he did play 75 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: well last week, but Gino Stone has been mostly atrocious 76 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: this season. There's no getting around it. And so you know, 77 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: so many of us have wondered like there's nobody else, 78 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: Like there's literally nobody else. And I watched Tyson Anderson 79 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: play on special teams and I see a guy who 80 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: at least makes makes tackles, and same for PJ Jewels, 81 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: and so like, I get it. They're not being asked 82 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: to cover, but they're doing their jobs. And that I 83 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: get pushed back when I say, like, try one of 84 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: those guys instead of Geno Stone, And I'm told, well, 85 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: they're special teams players. Why why can't Why can't? I thought, 86 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: if you excel on special teams, maybe you get a shot, 87 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: especially if there's a player who's in front of you 88 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: who's struggling, get a shot to play your you know, 89 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: natural position, so to speak. Why can't they use those 90 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: guys in safety? 91 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a little hard to understand. I mean 92 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 2: I can under I know when you're talking about special 93 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 2: teams aces quote unquote, you know, the all time greats, 94 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: the Steeve Taskers and the Renee Thompson's going back, you know, 95 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 2: or Matthew Slater, guys like that who are so great 96 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: that you take them off special teams and ask him to, 97 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: you know, sort of fly away from what they're great at. 98 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: So you don't want to do that. But with the 99 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: average ranking special team player, I think back to a 100 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 2: guy from the Bengals, like a Clayton Frisdella remember him, Yeah, 101 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: you know, kind of a decent safety, had his moments, 102 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: and you know he made his way onto the team 103 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: and into the lineup because he played really good SMA teams. 104 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying Tyson Anderson necessarily is even as 105 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: good as best down. But when you have a guy 106 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: playing out there, as you say, who's been so bad 107 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: and the guy who you know is only on the 108 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: team because he took a pay cut in the offseason, 109 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: let's remember that, why not give Tyson a chance or 110 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 2: PJ Jewles. I mean, it's it's not like you're taking 111 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: away a guy who you know. You're all of a 112 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: sudden saying, hey, we got to have you go play 113 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: special teams and this guy who's been on the special 114 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: teams unit is not going to take your spot, and 115 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: it's like you're worried about him poisoning the clubhouse. I mean, 116 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: the ship has sailed. Let's get somebody in there or 117 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 2: at least is going to try hard. And if it 118 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: doesn't work out and he gets lost in coverage and 119 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: he picks bad angles and doesn't make plays, listen, what 120 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: if you lost really at the end of the day. 121 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: So it does seem a little strange, especially in Anderson's case. 122 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: Who's you know, a drafted player at one point and 123 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: a guy who were at least thinking about counting on 124 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 2: as being a reserved depth player. To give him a 125 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 2: chance and say, maybe CATCHU lighting in a bottle, and 126 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: next year he was so bad and having to replace 127 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: the entire unit. Maybe at least you have one guy 128 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: you can say he could be a third or four 129 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: safety for us, and we feel good going into the season. 130 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: But you know, apparently they have their own plan in place. 131 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 2: And who are we questioning? 132 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: Oh, of course that's right, Yes, who are we to 133 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: question anything that Bengals decide? Robert win Trump is with 134 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: us Cincinnatimagazine dot com. If we were if we were 135 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: to do this, we are doing it unscientifically. Like rank 136 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: offensive lines. Roughly, where would the Bengals offensive line b 137 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: right now? 138 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: They would be right where we've always kind of wanted 139 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: them to be in the Joe Barrow era, which is 140 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,239 Speaker 2: middle of the pack, you know, I mean their top 141 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: ten and I think they're tied for tenth. And pressure 142 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: rate allowed. We have a stat called adjusted sack average allowed, 143 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 2: and they're, you know, right there in the top twelve. 144 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 2: The running game, their success rate is very high. They're 145 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: still digging out from the early season in terms of 146 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: what we call adjusted line yards, which try to separate 147 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: the line from the running back. But overall, the running 148 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: game has obviously been really good the last six seven weeks, 149 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 2: one of the best in football. So the line clearly 150 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: has a lot to do with that. They're playing coherently 151 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: as a unit. You can see it on Sunday. And 152 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: given the fact and all the amount of inks billed 153 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: and talk made over the offseason about worrying about the 154 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: guard play and how this line was going to come 155 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: together and what are they doing, they've gotten what they 156 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: have always wanted and what they said they were going 157 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: to get. At you, I don't think you can really 158 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: say that, and certainly the way they've played. Remember we 159 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: talked about how it was a ticking time bound to 160 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: put a guy like Joe Flacco behind a line like this. Well, 161 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: you know what, it didn't work out. That why the 162 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: lines played pretty well and they scored a lot of 163 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: points with Joe Flacco. And they can certainly look at 164 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: the line. It's not a classically great line like the 165 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: Bengals that fielded in the past, and they certainly can 166 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: look to upgrade at certain spots and depth in the offseason. 167 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: But I think they can certainly look at it and say, hey, 168 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 2: you know what, we've made a lot of strides to overall, 169 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: Union has played well. They've been healthy for the most part, 170 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: and when guys have had to come in and play, 171 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: they've done well too. It's been a decent season from 172 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: the offensive line. Who would have thought that coming into here. 173 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: The only thing that I detest right now more than 174 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: my mother in law's Cranberry relish that I'm being forced 175 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: to eat today is the fourth and one. Let's try 176 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,559 Speaker 1: to draw them off sides play and look. I every 177 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: team every week tries it. It works occasionally. Bengals tried it. 178 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: Tried it against Pittsburgh, it didn't work. Tried it last 179 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: week against New England from their own forty five yard 180 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: line in the fourth quarter, didn't work. Delay a game penalty. 181 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: You're an analytics guy, FTN fantasy. Do do analytics? Maybe 182 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: there's no answer to this, but do analytics like the 183 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: dreaded fourth and short. Let's try to draw them off 184 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: sides with a hard count play. 185 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: Well, you're right, there is no real analytics for it, 186 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 3: because it's really hard to discern what the intended outcome 187 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 3: of the play is. Most of the time, it's just 188 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 3: sort of a it's what the offensive which just love 189 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: more than anything else. 190 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 2: Which is play without any real downside or consequences. You know, 191 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: the worst that could happen is you take it to 192 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: play a game and just punch or almost certainly planning 193 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: to do anyway, right. And I think the problem that 194 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: you have with it is most of the time it 195 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: happens in mission, like you alluded to with the Bengals, 196 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: you know, fourth and one, trailing the Pats and then 197 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: a good spot to make a fourth down conversion. Instead 198 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: of just going for it, which is what analytics does 199 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: want you to do. Clearly they don't want to, but 200 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: they don't want to just try it out. The punt 201 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: team do a chorus of booze immediately, So instead they 202 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: go through the motions of doing the fake off side play, 203 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: and you know, it hardly ever works, But it's sort 204 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: of the offensive inverse of the old you know what, 205 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: three things can happen when you throw a pass, and 206 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: two of them are bad. You know, in this case, 207 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: three things can happen, and only you know one of 208 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: them is great. We can draw them off side. So 209 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: that's why I think offensive coaches continue to trot it 210 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: out there, but almost always it's a situation where if 211 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: you just go for it, and you know, don't mess 212 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: around under or even try and pretend like you're thinking 213 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: about doing something else or you know, trying to you know, 214 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: it almost feels like you're utson the other team and 215 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: their coaches and saying, hey, look we screwed you. Here 216 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: are we geniuses? You know, just line up, get the 217 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 2: first down, or just punt it and be done with 218 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: it and trust your defense. Obviously, the Bengals don't trust 219 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: either their defense or their ability to make a fourth 220 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: down play in that case. So it leads to feeling 221 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: like you do, which is like, this is horrible. Why 222 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: am I looking at this? And it tastes terrible? Just 223 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: like my Thanksgiving turkey whittle with that cranberry on the 224 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: side or whatever. 225 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, my love my mother in law, but the cranberry relish, 226 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: and I've told this to her face, is truly atrocious. 227 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: I propose this. If you try the fourth and one, 228 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, try to draw them off sides and then 229 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: you have to take a delay a game, I think 230 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: the penalty should be like thirty yards. I think that 231 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: should be a competition Yes, the competition committee should review that. 232 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: There should be a steep penalty if you have to 233 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: take a delay, a game penalty after trying the dreaded 234 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: fourth and one, try to draw them off sides. Your 235 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: thoughts on that, well, you know. 236 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: It's we've talked about this in various other incarnations of 237 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: other plays, and especially the tush push I think comes 238 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: to mind. It's just it's bad viewing experience. You know, 239 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: it's a bad it's bad television. Who wants that? You know, 240 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: we know what's happening, We know what everybody's doing, So yeah, 241 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 2: make there have some consequences. Like I say, it's a 242 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: risk free play for the offense, and we shouldn't have those. 243 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 2: We should have plays that you know, both teams have 244 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: something to gain and lose, So if you don't make it, 245 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: you don't get the defense to jump fifteen yards and 246 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: you know, a loss of a timeout or something like that. Yeah, 247 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: something that would really make the offense think about going 248 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 2: forward more often, which is you know what we all 249 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: want to see anyway, and make the game more exciting. 250 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: This just lessens the excitement of your regular game, and 251 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 2: who wants that. 252 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: I'm in favor of relinquishing draft picks, maybe relinquish a 253 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: whole game next year, A fine for the head coach 254 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: like I want the penalty to be steep, So we'll 255 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: see if they if they put that on the on 256 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: the agenda this offseason. Awesome stuff is always enjoyed the 257 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: game tonight, Have a great Thanksgiving and we'll talk to 258 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: you next week. 259 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and to you two and to everybody out there, 260 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 2: Happy Thanksgiving. 261 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: Robert Wintrop writes a weekly Bengals column for Cincinnati Magazine 262 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: dot com. Go and read it now. Robert is Awesome 263 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: joins us every Thursday on ESPN fifteen thirty. We have 264 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: just over an hour ago, getting a set for countdown 265 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: to kickoff at seven pm. Let's talk about a guy 266 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: who's not going to be on the field tonight for 267 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: the Bengals, and it's not t Higgins. That coming up 268 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: after the top of the hour news. This is the 269 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: RNL Carriers pregame sports talk show, presented by your Cincinnati 270 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: and Northern Kentucky Toyota Dealers.