1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike, Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: From Cincinnati. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station. 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 3: Our number two is here. Let's dive right in. Let's 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 3: talk more college basketball. As the calendar gets ready to 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: turn to March. NKU starts to play their best basketball 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 3: seeming the year in and year out. Let's talk Norse. 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: Let's talk some Xavier Musketeer basketball and college hoops in general, 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 3: with our guy Rick Bryn joining us right now. 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 4: What's up Rick? 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: Talk about? Are you having me on to talk about 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: the big news? 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 3: What do you you want to talk about? Doug Gottlieb, 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: Is that what you're talking about? 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: No? The big news out of Highland hips last night? 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: Did you not hear mo Agger courtside? 16 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? The NKU administration took a vote and they decided 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: that the iheard guy they want representing the NORSE going 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: for Austin. 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 4: Wow, what a turn of events. 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: It's amazing, massive, massive game last night in Island Heights, 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: easy one to get to on a Wednesday evening, and 22 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: Austin Elmore is nowhere to be found. Tony, I couldn't 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: believe that. 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that just a couple of years ago, 25 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 4: Moe was ejected from sitting courtside at an n KU 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 4: game to now being the the delegated member. I mean, 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 4: it's it's impressive comeback player of the year moegar huge. 28 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: I mean this, this is massive news right now that 29 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: we're hearing and and again you have to question where 30 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 3: has Austin been? What has been more important? 31 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: Jar? You tell me, I don't know, Like I'm not 32 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 2: you know, I'm behind the scenes. I'm in a media role. 33 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: But like, if you're a fan of a team that 34 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: is fighting for its life. Five seed host a home 35 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: first round game in the Horizon League Tournament and you 36 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: gotta must win at home against pretty far Wayne, you 37 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: would think Ale, like Austin Elmore would be there. 38 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 4: I don't know, that's a great point, you would think. 39 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 3: I'm sure that's something that Darren Horn has addressed and 40 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 3: it's now something that this team has to overcome to 41 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 3: move forward. And they've done that. They had the five 42 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 3: game losing streak, They've now won three in a row. 43 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 3: What's been different with this basketball team? 44 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 2: Rick? You know, it's funny because we've talked about it 45 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 2: throughout the I've talked once or twice with you guys, 46 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: and then Mo has gone every Wednesday, and we seemingly 47 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: through about a month long stretch, maybe even longer than that. 48 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: It was like, you know, is this team going to 49 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: be able to figure out how to close games out defensively? 50 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: Can they get the stops they need to win some 51 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: of these closed games in the Horizon League. And they've 52 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: started to do that, and then last night, not only 53 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 2: did they do that, they didn't need that at the 54 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: end of the game. They were doing it early on. 55 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: They were getting big plays defensively in the first half. 56 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 2: That's at the tone. And then there was a middle 57 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: part of the second half where they had a twelve 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: point lead and within forty seconds pretty four wing and 59 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: hit back to back threes. They cut it down to six, 60 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: and you kind of get that, I'll know, here we go, 61 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 2: this is gonna be another wild ride to the finished 62 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: type feeling. But the Norse had a great answer for 63 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: it on both ends of the floor. They extended their 64 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: lead right back to double digits and they closed it out. 65 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: So you know, they've been getting good contributions from from 66 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: some role guys like Kay Josher, who had fifteen rebounds 67 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: in last night's game, and he's had two made threes 68 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: in each of the last five games, at least two 69 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: mad threes in each of the last five games, And 70 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 2: I think that's been big for them. But the biggest 71 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: thing is just what we've been talking about all year 72 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: with the defense. It seems like they've finally been able 73 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: to marry the explosive scoring on the offensive end with 74 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: shutting down the other team in key moments when when 75 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: it's clutch time, and they've been much better at that. 76 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 3: You mentioned the importance of last night's game, three more 77 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: games remaining. Talk about the Horizon League tournament itself and 78 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: why that seeding and where k you was trying to 79 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: get to is so important. 80 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you get a top five seed this year, 81 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: you get to host first round game, and yeah, that's 82 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: what MK used battling for right now. It's always just 83 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: big to get that opportunity to before you everyone goes 84 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: to Indy for the semi finals and finals. And actually 85 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: now this year there's an extra play in game on 86 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: Sunday night, so the two lowest seeded teams still in 87 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: the tournament. So in theory, it would be like the 88 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: four and five seed if everything goes Chalk. They will 89 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 2: be playing on Sunday night before the semi finals for 90 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 2: the honors to play the one seed there in the semis. 91 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 2: So it's a big deal to at least have a 92 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: good opportunity to win that first game and get the 93 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: first one at home instead of going on the road. 94 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: I mean, there's all types of scenarios still out there 95 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: for NKU. It's so tightly bunched up from third all 96 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: the way down to like seventh right now in the conference, 97 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 2: just like a game and a half separating everybody, seemingly 98 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: so any every round of games for the league, it 99 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: seems to jumble the rankings back up. So there's still 100 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: a lot of scenarios still in play. MKU I believe 101 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 2: could still put them go on the road to as 102 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 2: far as Green Bay, or they could be hosting a 103 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 2: first round game. So a lot still at stake in 104 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 2: these final three games. And there's been a lot of 105 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: parody of the league this year, so it should be entertaining. 106 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: If you do go on the road to Green Bay. 107 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: Do you think Doug Gottlie will be coaching in that 108 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 3: game or facing another suspension? 109 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 4: Good question. 110 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: Hey, I'll say this, I'm glad Doug said it like 111 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: I'm glad someone at NK you didn't have to say it, because, 112 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 2: quite honestly, he's right. He's right. The officiating has been 113 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: bad this year and his technical that he got, we 114 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: have the audience like that that's been posted online now 115 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 2: clear audio is nothing, nothing that would warrant a technical foul. 116 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: And you know, it's a hard job to be an official, 117 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: especially in this day and age. But the one thing 118 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: that I would tell the Horizon League officials that they 119 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: should do a much better job of that you see 120 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: at the higher level conferences is quit worrying so much 121 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: about dealing with the coaches. You can't have rabbit years. 122 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,559 Speaker 2: You can't go back and forth with them and argue 123 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: and fight. You can't get sensitive and t them up 124 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 2: because as they called you out or actually exposed you 125 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: on a bad call, you just have to let that 126 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 2: roll off your back a little bit more. And they 127 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: seem to do a bad job with that part of 128 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: it administering the game. So quite honestly, yes, Doug was 129 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: probably a little too passionate calling out that the supervisor 130 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: of officials for the league was a bold choice, certainly 131 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: dropping f bombs was a bold choice pounding the todium 132 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: like that, But he wasn't wrong about anything he said, 133 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: in fact that it needed to be said. 134 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: Three games remaining. Their next game at Youngstown State, if 135 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: they do secure that first round home game, is that 136 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: a game that potentially k you would even want Austin 137 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 3: Elmore to attend at this point or since he's not 138 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 3: been there, do you just want him to stay away. 139 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: Austin Elmore has been a flag carrier for the North throughout, 140 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: has been here, he has been He's always going to 141 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: be our guy. But it is I can't deny the 142 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 2: fact that there were a lot of conversations last night 143 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: about like where is Audie? It's a big night, did 144 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: the stars were out? You've got no sitting courtside. He's 145 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: a noted ud alum U s fan and he's there 146 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: to take. 147 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 3: Yesterday talking about one to go to a UC baseball game. 148 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 4: I didn't say that yesterday. I said that this morning today. 149 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 150 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 4: I mean it's a part of a thing to promote 151 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 4: the radio station that I work for. 152 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: I get it. 153 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 4: So I mean try to turn around on me all 154 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 4: you can. I've been to plenty of Norse games. I 155 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 4: mean people forget I was the guy who was it 156 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 4: was just me. People forget it was it was just 157 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 4: me standing outside the bathroom at Malett Hall interviewing John 158 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 4: Brannon just a couple of years ago when I was 159 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 4: in college. So you know, I've I've been through it, 160 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 4: and I will be back. I might be back sooner 161 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 4: rather than later. But I appreciate that everybody is worried about. 162 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: All I know is there's one home game left in 163 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: the regular season. It's against Wright State. You know how 164 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: we feel about that, Austin, So you know we'd love 165 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: to have you. We'd love to have you. 166 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 5: Now. 167 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 4: Typically I go to that game every year. Sometimes I 168 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 4: go up to the Nuthouse. Sometimes they go down to 169 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 4: the Truist, but I'm typically there. 170 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: We'll see what happens. 171 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 4: Wow, that needs that. This is unbelievable, So courtside again, thanks, Rick, 172 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: appreciate that. 173 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: I will find you a ticket. Let me put it 174 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: that way. I will get you a ticket. 175 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: Uh Rick, Let me ask you about the Musketeers as well. 176 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: I know you talked to me about this yesterday and 177 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: another heartbreaking loss and the decision you want to get 178 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: the ball to Trey Carroll late, But do you want 179 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: Trey Carroll being the one that's that's handling the ball. 180 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: It's a hard situation because Trey Carroll has literally done 181 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 3: everything that this team has needed and more this year. 182 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 3: But at what point do you stop if you're a 183 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 3: Xavier fan saying, man, they're playing well, they're just coming 184 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: up on the wrong side, because I know you view 185 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: this season a little bit differently Richard Patino's first year, 186 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: how the roster came together. I'm not saying to throw 187 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 3: away year, but you're learning a lot about this year. 188 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 3: But at some point the close losses had to become 189 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: a little frustrated fans. 190 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I have no doubt that it gets hard 191 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: to watch your team lose games in heartbreaking fashion, game 192 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: after game. You know, the good things is at this 193 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: point you probably are a little desensitized to it because 194 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: you're not really playing for anything. You're kind of playing 195 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: out the string on a season that's going nowhere, and 196 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: you know, hopefully you're playing better basketball, which I do 197 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: think they are, and maybe you can scare some teams 198 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: in the biggest tournament. The likelihood of them winning the 199 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: biggest tournament seems not good at all, So I just, yeah, 200 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: I think it's like you're kind of just playing out 201 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: the string more or less, and so I don't think 202 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: these games are as heartbreaking because of that, but it 203 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: is still hard to watch. That was an entertaining game. 204 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun action. There were some 205 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: big time shots being made on both sides. And you 206 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: know that that Tray Harrold thing is tough because it's 207 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: like both things can be true that he cost you 208 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: the game. You couldn't win with him playing the way 209 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: he did with six turnovers and the big turnover at 210 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 2: the end that everyone's talking about. At the same time, 211 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: you're not in that game without Trey Carroll and you 212 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: don't have any of the success that you've had this 213 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: year without Trey Carroll. So it's just the reality of 214 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 2: having a roster that isn't well enough constructed, you know. 215 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 2: And like you said, it was an impossible situation for 216 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: the coaching staff coming in that first year. They just 217 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: don't have the firepower they need, especially in those late 218 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: game situations. You'd like to have another playmaker that you 219 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: could put the ball in their hands and say, go 220 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 2: do something for us, or create something to set a 221 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: guy like Trey Carroll up. More instead of having to 222 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: put it all on his shoulders. But yeah, it's it's 223 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: definitely been a frustrating season at the same time, but 224 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: it was a fun game to watch if you're at 225 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 2: the Centa Center. 226 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 3: And there's been a lot of those. There's been a 227 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: lot of fun games. They've just unfortunately come out on 228 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 3: the wrong side of too many of them, and that 229 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: to me, this is the most interesting part. Now you 230 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: mentioned kind of playing out the string before this era 231 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 3: of college basketball, there's a lot you're playing for retention. 232 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: You know what players are going to develop and make 233 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 3: a difference next year. You got five games remaining before 234 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 3: the Big East Tournament, but you're gonna have so much 235 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 3: roster turnover as well. Trey Carroll's not going to be back. 236 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: Do you what do you use the last five for 237 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 3: if you're a coach in today's world? Because Richard Patino 238 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 3: did not want to talk about the transfer portal after 239 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 3: the Villanova loss. He did not want to talk about 240 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 3: anything except this team. How difficult does that become when 241 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: you're playing out the stretch with a lot of guys 242 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 3: that aren't going to be back next year. 243 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't I know? And I was the one who 244 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: asked him about the BORI did not go well for me. 245 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 3: I thought it was one of your better questions. 246 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: Hey, thank you. Someone did that and that makes one 247 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: of us, you know, I'm I agree with you, Tony. 248 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: It is a tough situation now because as much as 249 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: you want to recite the cliches of like, yeah, build 250 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: towards next year, and and in theory, they did build 251 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 2: this roster with the idea that like, hey, we're over 252 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: paying maybe some younger guys weren't quite ready with the 253 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: hope that they're going to develop and we'll be able 254 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 2: to retain them and build some continuity going into our 255 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: second year as a staff. But at the same time, 256 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: when you're in this current era, all of those guys 257 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: could walk after this year if they want to. There's 258 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: no real contract or anything that can hold them in 259 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: place at this point. And even if that's not the case, 260 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: based on what's happened so far this year, how many 261 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: of those guys do you feel like a are real 262 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: impact players for next season? I guess that's what it 263 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 2: really comes down to. And I know five games isn't 264 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: a lot of time, but you have started to see 265 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: some flashes from a guy like Anthony Robinson. They were 266 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: playing pop Enji a lot of those backup center minutes. 267 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: Now those minutes have gone to Anthony Robinson down the stretch. 268 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: Here is he going to show enough down the stretch 269 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: that you're you feel good about bringing him back next year, 270 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: that you feel good about his market value and how 271 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: much he should cost you going in next year. I 272 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: think that's probably what it is more than anything, is 273 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 2: you are evaluating for how much you want to pay 274 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: the guys that you're considering keeping, and then you go 275 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: into negotiation time with their agent after the season ends. 276 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 3: You know what I think interesting? Even though he downplayed 277 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 3: the question, you kind of have to already be looking 278 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 3: at the portal. You have to already be doing your research. 279 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: Everyone is doing it at this point. But what I 280 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: respect is the fact that Richard Patino said, while I 281 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 3: respect the question, I'm not there yet. How would you 282 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 3: have responded if maybe Richard Patino took more of a 283 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 3: Mike Cronin approach to your question. 284 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't have raised my voice, that's for sure. 285 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 3: Would you want to be known as the worst question 286 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 3: that anyone's ever asked a coach? 287 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I might be. I might be based 288 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: on the way it was I was responded to those, 289 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: but yeah, I h I think that sometimes your job 290 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: is to ask stupid questions. As a journalist, people get 291 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 2: like way too worked up in the ego of coaches 292 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: and protecting them in these situations and stuff like that. 293 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, there are some really bad 294 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: press conferences. We have to sit through some really dumb 295 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 2: questions being asked. But sometimes the job that we're in 296 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: is to get the answer to the stupid question that 297 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: the fans want to know. Yes, you know it's not 298 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: we sometimes know it's not the best question in the world, 299 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: but like it's what the storyline is for the fan 300 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: base at that time, and so you have to ask it. 301 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 2: And then, quite honestly, the reason I asked Richard Patino 302 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: on that night is because the past two Coaches shows 303 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: that he's done on the radio, he's talked about his 304 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: staff is already having meetings talking about the portal and 305 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: evaluating guys and figure out what they're going to do. 306 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: I found that to be interesting, so I was hoping 307 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: maybe he would expand upon that after another close loss, 308 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: because I'm sitting there looking at It's like, man, after 309 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: all those close losses, I'd be making a laundry list 310 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: of things that, like we ain't going to go in 311 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 2: the next year without a playmaker, ain't going to go 312 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: in the next year without a center and you know 313 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I'd be just listing off the 314 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: things that that we're going to prioritize on the portal. 315 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: But I certainly understand that not wanting to throw your 316 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: guys under the bus or feel like you're moving on 317 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: after a tight game like that? Awesome? 318 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 3: Did that sound to you like Rick was raising his 319 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 3: voice a little bit there, just a little bit. Everybody 320 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 3: heard it. Did you hear that? 321 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: Bro? 322 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 4: We all heard this one. This is a motion we 323 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 4: all heard. 324 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: Thank you, I do. It's not good for me. 325 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 3: I know it's it's early in the process still, but 326 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: we always talk about expectations and and how this year 327 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: was perceived by a lot of Xavier fans and those 328 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: covering the team. How quickly and how vastly different did 329 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: those expectations change now going into year number two for 330 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 3: Richard Patino, Oh, it'll be huge. 331 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: I mean, there's just no way, especially with the fan base. 332 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 4: In this era. 333 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's reality, I don't know if 334 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: they can be guaranteed to just be able to turn 335 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: this around in two years when you're getting an entire roster, 336 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: and by the way, like you're in the Big East 337 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 2: where you didn't necessarily have the big best resources anyways, 338 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: so it was always going to be an uphill climb 339 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: to get back towards the top of the Big East 340 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 2: and everything after a few years where you were there 341 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: with Chris mac But I think that it's going to 342 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: be a really interesting offseason and year two with the 343 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: Xavier fan base because that expectation word is a fun one. 344 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: This year, they were willing to let things slide and 345 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: they understand the record is what it is. But you're 346 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: absolutely right, Tony, it's going to be completely different next 347 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: year and and they won't have any understanding or sympathy 348 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: for the situation anymore. And that's where we'll see where 349 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: this thing goes from there. 350 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 3: And you mentioned his radio show. I thought he was 351 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: very open on his radio show recently talking about kind 352 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 3: of the four pillars of hey, we need more money. 353 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: You know a lot of coaches and then people think it, 354 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: here's a coach in year one going through a season 355 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 3: where they have five wins right now in the Big East, 356 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: but very openly talking about, hey, if we want to 357 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 3: turn this around, this is kind of the prerequisite now 358 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: of what's needed going forward. 359 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. The one thing that is really enjoyable about dealing 360 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: with Richard Patino and hearing him talk is he is 361 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: very straightforward and honest. 362 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 4: About that type of stuff. 363 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: He doesn't put any fluff around it or sugar coated 364 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 2: to make you feel better about it. And let's face it, 365 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: a lot of fans don't want to hear that, especially 366 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: in a year where you're losing a lot of games. 367 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: They don't want to hear you continually asking them for money. 368 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: But he says, like, this is a reality, and he's right, like, 369 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: you're going to have to pay for the best roster 370 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: if you want to compete. And that doesn't mean you 371 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: have to be Kentucky and spend twenty two million, but 372 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: you are going to have to be competitive with the 373 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 2: top teams at the high major level if you want 374 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: to want to be at that spot. And this past year, 375 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: Zavier clearly wasn't that, and there are a lot of 376 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 2: reasons for that. It was a very unique year in 377 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: the transfer portal that will never happen again because of 378 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 2: the way the rules change when it went from the 379 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 2: nil collectives paying them to the schools paying them, and 380 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: that kind of overlap situation that happened before July first. 381 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: We don't have to get back into all of that, 382 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: but that's what really set this season up, in addition 383 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 2: to the coaching change for Xavier. So it was it 384 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 2: was a perfect storm of events. But you won't have 385 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: that to fall back on in your two I. 386 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 3: Would be remiss not to ask you, and I know 387 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 3: it's not NKU or Xavier related, but the topic in 388 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 3: college basketball at least today has been Darren Peterson and 389 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: what he and how he has approached this season with Kansas, 390 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 3: and it's now a national conversation that's happening Rick quite frankly, 391 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 3: I for one, think Bill self needs to send a 392 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: message and sit Darren Peterson down for at least one game, 393 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 3: preferably the game on Saturday, and then get him ready 394 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 3: for Houston. With that being said, though, how do you 395 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 3: view is this kind of the landscape that is because 396 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 3: Cooper Flagg didn't sit out games last year, Deboncea's not 397 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 3: sitting out games this year. Is this just a unique 398 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 3: situation with Darren Peterson or do you view this as 399 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 3: more of a problem going forward for college hoops. 400 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 2: Darren Pearson's a loser, Like, who in the world doesn't 401 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: think that right now? Who is watching what's playing out 402 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: and not thinking Darren Peterson is a bad teammate yep. 403 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: A selfish guy, a guy who's only about himself, Like 404 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: he is not helping himself in any way by doing this. 405 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: I don't understand the long term play by Darren Peterson. 406 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: If any now he's so talented, someone will still take 407 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: a chance on him. He can still have a great career. 408 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 2: I'm not saying anything like that, but if anything, this 409 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: whole college season has done nothing but hurt his reputation 410 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 2: and potentially hurt his stock as a prospect. So I 411 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 2: don't understand what he's doing at all. On the flip side, 412 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: I don't feel bad for Bill selfon at all. This 413 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: has been one of the dumbiest coaches for years and years, 414 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 2: playing everybody off, getting the best roster list, and right like, 415 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: who's bothered by the fact that he has to deal 416 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: with the prima donna loser, Who's who's selfishing and create 417 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: during his team, and by the way, there's still gonna 418 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 2: be like a two seed in the end. 419 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 3: Would you bench him ahead of Saturday's game? Would you 420 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 3: bench him to send a message again? Would you bench 421 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 3: him Saturday to send a message. 422 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: For your sake? Sure? 423 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. 424 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: Don't play it. 425 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 3: That's all I needed. 426 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: Let him keep it within fifteen. 427 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 3: Rick, I, I was just say, I appreciate everything except 428 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 3: that last little jab there. 429 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 4: Glad to see I'm not the only one getting a jab. 430 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 3: N K you Horizon League tournament starts as early as 431 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 3: March second. A lot still going on with the Xavier Musketeers. 432 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 3: How can folks follow along with uh? With everything you 433 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 3: have going on with the college basketball season, including your 434 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 3: unbelievable calls next to Jim Couch with NKU basketball. 435 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I find me on Facebook or whatever. I just 436 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: have to go back to all. Do you just make 437 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: a vaccination joke? 438 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 4: No? No, I didn't said you got the jab? 439 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 6: I was like, what are you talking? 440 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 4: It's your mind out of the gunner, dude, that's not 441 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 4: what I'm talking about. 442 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: Out of the gutter. I would think about COVID. I 443 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 2: just thought like, what a what a reference. We're going 444 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: back to twenty twenty. 445 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 4: Now, yeah, that's not that's it's not that's not true. 446 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: All right, Well, good luck with your jab boys on Facebook. 447 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 3: Check out Rick on Facebook. Rick, thanks a lot, Thanks Rick, 448 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: the Reverend, the reverend, he was ready to go today. 449 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 3: I always think last night, I always realized that, you know, 450 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 3: we're we're weeks removed from Darren Horn kind of going 451 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 3: to bat for you, according to Rick, And now that's 452 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 3: changing apparently. 453 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 4: I don't think that anybody's gone to bat for me. 454 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know that I think about it. 455 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 3: Who's who's it's been. I don't who's the two and 456 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: four hole hitter around you in the three hole outside 457 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 3: of protecting you, outside. 458 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 4: Of my parents and my closest friends. I don't know if, 459 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 4: if if anyone has gone to bat for me anytime recently. 460 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 3: Brorian's off that list. Now, I didn't realize mos court 461 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 3: sized good stuff. 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Big jim Uso 481 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 4: reference there. 482 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: I think the older skill positioned person I would consider there. 483 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: If there's no downs, no Bay, no Bailey, no monster 484 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: or life in the fast Laney would have to be 485 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: Otti's boy tape from his Ohio State correct wide receiver. 486 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 4: Yep, Ken Austin. 487 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 5: The question the boy stronger? 488 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 4: Okay, that's right, talkbackers. I'm back and better than ever. 489 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 4: I can run at least one sixtieth of a mile 490 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 4: pro Lloyd Ken, Okay, Ken, glad you're recovering. I'm glad 491 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 4: you're back. Since you guys know the NBA much better 492 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 4: than I do. 493 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 8: Give me a comparison between this kid from Kansas and 494 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 8: Zion Williamson. When Zion was a duke, where people questioning 495 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 8: his love of playing the game, or since he's been 496 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 8: in the NBA, is he just been hurt all the 497 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 8: time and not sitting on the bench and just collecting paychecks. 498 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 3: I think it's been more so the injury Zion has taken. Yeah, 499 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 3: and Zion was a force in college. The the Peterson 500 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 3: side of things, Like I think Skrzyzewsky was always on 501 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 3: the same page as Zion. Like there's been multiple times 502 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 3: this year where like Bill self doesn't have an answer, 503 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 3: or you've seen the frustration or what was it the 504 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 3: staffer sitting in courtside that shared the message about what 505 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 3: was going on with Peterson before the game? Yeah, you 506 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 3: didn't see all that was Zion? 507 00:23:55,440 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 9: Yeah, Oh, disregard the first one norse up water resistant. Granted, yes, 508 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 9: Peterson for Kansas, he's son narcissistic. Just play some some 509 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 9: brigging basketball. Sad about the topping kid, really excited about 510 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 9: US hockey. That's definitely my favorite part of the Winter Olympics. 511 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, just an unbelievable finish to both Canada and US. 512 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 10: Really cool adulting day out in the wildwall West out here, 513 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 10: weather out in the wildwall West is pretty good and adulting, 514 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 10: you know, I mean, let's face it, we. 515 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 4: All should be adults. Great show as usual. 516 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 10: I know you haven't heard me in a while. I've 517 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 10: been trying to just listen in and thank everybody for this. 518 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 3: Oh supporting Welcome back back matters guy. 519 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 5: Hello, this is former President Ronald reaganan Well, I think 520 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 5: Darren Petersonmoth Kansas is adulting in a wild wild West world. 521 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 5: You see, he's simply working on his NBA load management skills. 522 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 5: And frankly, Bill's self should be proud of this. By 523 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 5: the way, what did they call it before there was 524 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 5: a wild wild West? Was it the mild mild West? 525 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 5: And would you consider what Mick Cronin and Doug Gockley 526 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 5: did during their press conferences as adulting, kidding or babying? 527 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 4: See what you do? People are so predicted. 528 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 3: You see what you do? You throw one thing out 529 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 3: there and you know it's going to come back. Adulting 530 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 3: in wild wild West will be the theme of talkbacks today. 531 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 11: Who is that clown you had on yesterday who suggested 532 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 11: the Bengals take a running back in the first round. 533 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 11: If anything, we need a kicker. Let's get a guy 534 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 11: in there who doesn't cost us games. You know what 535 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 11: I'm saying. McPherson reminds me of me. I also peeked 536 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 11: four years ago. I've been trending downward ever since. 537 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: Now. 538 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 3: McPherson had a much better season. 539 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 12: From the UC Health Traffic Center, where our cancer experts 540 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 12: are amongst some of the best. Visit us online at 541 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 12: UCCC dot com. Speaking of cancers. The best way to 542 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 12: treat him is to remove him. Trey Hendrickson, see you, 543 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 12: where do you want to be? 544 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: You? 545 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 12: I'm Eddie Zelig with traffic. 546 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 3: I wonder you Eddie. Juan heard someone quite some time 547 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 3: as Doug Gottlieb. Yeah, well that's now that he's got 548 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 3: a suspension coming up. 549 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 4: By design that we haven't heard from him. 550 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 7: Just keep on disrespecting call us basketball rep in the city. 551 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 4: I have sim done. What up, Tony? 552 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 2: What up? Buddy? 553 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 4: Come on, man, Kansas, we got a problem with your player. 554 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 2: Bro. 555 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 7: You can't pull yourself out the game. Light that think 556 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 7: you all that if I was on that team, Yo, 557 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 7: we fighting in locker rule. I don't know who do 558 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,479 Speaker 7: think he is, but you ain't all that, dude. Come on, man, 559 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 7: you ain't all that good win by any ku And 560 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 7: is it baseball easy yet? 561 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 4: Because I'm so ready for the Rids and uh oh yeah. 562 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 7: Man, Texas tech topping kid towards a cl What a 563 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 7: big blow to these things. 564 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 3: They were one of I think. I think there's legitimately 565 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 3: ten to twelve teams that I think can cut down 566 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 3: the nets. They are not one of them anymore. 567 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 6: It's the Lord. 568 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: I gotta start bench cut, Okay. 569 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: Landman, the Lincoln Lawyer, Animal Kingdom hand up. 570 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 3: I've only seen the Lincoln Lawyer. I've heard a lot 571 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 3: about land Man, I've not seen it yet, So the 572 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 3: only one I could talk to is Lincoln Lawyer, which 573 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 3: I think is fantastic. 574 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 4: I saw one, maybe two episodes of Lincoln Lawyer. I 575 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 4: haven't seen any of the others, So I guess I'll 576 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 4: start that a car anyway. 577 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 6: I think your fellers on actually that you can get 578 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 6: relationship my wife and I. That's kind of a good 579 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 6: idea cause I don't really know the docor field very much, 580 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 6: and I really don't want to right there at me and. 581 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 4: You know, I get to the park. 582 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 6: I've been enough talking relationship for a little over forty 583 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 6: years and say for I am better or worse, and 584 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 6: I've got more worse than I've got better. And I 585 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 6: don't know I got that. Just a life of a 586 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 6: bangle than a Red man, all right, Man. 587 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 3: I think that sums up the life of a Cincinnati 588 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 3: sports fan pretty well. 589 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 13: Yeah, me and my brother Scott's out of court side 590 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 13: NKU sees courtesy of our nephew Shannon Minor. Oh, the 591 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 13: great Moaggar was also there. Wow, go ahead, a great 592 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 13: rip roaring time talking to rip roaring after the game, 593 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 13: hoping the popular Austin Elmore show up. 594 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 4: Nothing. 595 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 13: Man, You sure he's he's really a fan? 596 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 3: You know, I actually saw the great Shannon Minor at 597 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 3: the last UC basketball game. Man. Word of circulating NKU legend, 598 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 3: word of circulating. 599 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 14: Audie signing bonus. It's baked from the villa since he 600 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 14: came to camp all swollen up. A new nickname is 601 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 14: gonna be Swelly de la Cruz. Hey, just a heads up. 602 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 14: Six games in for both teams, the Reds and The 603 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 14: Pirates is April to first April, Fool's Day, twelve forty pm. 604 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 14: Tilt between Hunter Green and Tough Scenes. 605 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 4: Wow, skiings, how about that? 606 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 3: How about that businessman special? 607 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 15: Good morning fellas. Brian's from La. I just wanted to 608 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 15: check in, tell you how I'm feeling. I feel like 609 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 15: I'm Tony Pike, honestly. One, it's raining here in La, 610 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 15: so it feels like I'm in Cincinnati, and it's been 611 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 15: all week, so no five mile runs from me outside. However, 612 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 15: still been getting on the treadmill. Also, I'm babysitting today 613 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 15: my own child. She's three months babysitting my own child. 614 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: Tony Pike. 615 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 3: Congratulations. Hope the babysitting is going well. Nothing wrong with that. 616 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: The word of the day narcissistic. 617 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 3: Could you use that in a sentence please? 618 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 4: Oh sweet? 619 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 3: Talk back matters guy. 620 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 4: It was a big one there, miss talk back matters guy. 621 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: Wow. 622 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 16: I'm not a basketball fan by any stretch of the imagination, 623 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 16: and I already know the answer to this, but I'm 624 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 16: going to ask it anyway. Why doesn't Kansas just cut 625 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 16: that kid? 626 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 3: Well, he's making one. You get there are donors involved 627 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 3: with the money that he's geting. And two. As much 628 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 3: as you hate to say it, he is, if not 629 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 3: the best, one of the few best players in college basketball. 630 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 3: And I at this point like what I find most 631 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 3: interesting now going forward Austin is is that the same 632 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 3: way he approaches March Madness? Or does he? Does he 633 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 3: approach March Madness differently? Does he care about March Madness 634 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 3: more so than the regular season? I get it last one, 635 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 3: But I don't think I would cut him. No, they 636 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 3: want to, They won't be cutting. I don't think he's 637 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 3: gonna get cut. 638 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 4: Tony just wants some bench because they play. You see, now, 639 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 4: it's not it's not what it's about. That's exactly to 640 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 4: be the sport here to be upheld. Okay, well, if 641 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 4: that case, then you should be cut. Why don't you 642 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 4: go on a stand, take a stand and say he 643 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 4: should be cut. I don't think he needs to be cut. 644 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 4: I think a message needs to be sent that you 645 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 4: move on and and maybe you sit him down for 646 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 4: a game and see if that can help you get 647 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 4: through to him. That's where I would start with things, sure, 648 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 4: and then if it progresses, then go ahead and you 649 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 4: can cut him. But I'd started a game and see 650 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 4: if that gets through to him. Do you like, honestly, 651 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 4: do you think he One of my question is it 652 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 4: him or is it the advisement of family or an agent? 653 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 4: Because he they you have all of this, now, is 654 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 4: it the advisement of an agent or is this his stance? 655 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 4: It's impossible for me to answer that question right, But 656 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 4: I don't know anything at him. 657 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 3: But I think everyone everyone that's going in directly at him, 658 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 3: I would assume that there's an agent in his ear 659 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 3: or a family member. It's a lot different. 660 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 4: And also, you know, the NBA money is ridiculous, and 661 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 4: if you can get to the NBA, that's a that 662 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 4: you'll be all right, correct, and that is the ultimate goal. 663 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 4: But I think I think a lot of people got 664 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 4: to keep in mind. Players don't play college basketball because 665 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 4: they like the school or because they want to get 666 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 4: a degree. They play college basketball because they want to 667 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 4: go to the NBA. 668 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 3: But I think the top tier there is a way 669 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 3: in which you are built that when that competitive nature 670 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 3: starts happening, you want to go win. Yeah, And I 671 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 3: think I think that's the difference in Peterson that you're 672 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 3: seeing as opposed to as I mentioned, Cooper Flagg. Cooper 673 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 3: Flag was going to be the number one pick regardless. 674 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 3: He went out every single game and dominated last night. 675 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 3: This was a quote from Scott Van Pelt after the 676 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 3: game had happened. He said, when the presumed number one 677 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 3: player sits out a home game against undefeated Arizona with 678 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 3: the flu, after having all these questions in managing minutes 679 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 3: throughout the season and other issues, it makes people wonder 680 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 3: not about his talent, but about those intangibles that can't 681 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 3: be measured. No one is questioning Peterson as a player, 682 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 3: but you are wired differently if you're a competitor or 683 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 3: you have that urge to be a champion, to be 684 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 3: the best at what you do, and those types of players, 685 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 3: regardless if it's high school or college or the NBA, 686 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 3: when the game starts, the only thing that matters to 687 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 3: that player is winning the game. And that is the 688 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,439 Speaker 3: disconnect I think you see from a DEBONSTA. You think 689 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 3: of Kingston Flemings right now for Houston, what Cooper Flagg 690 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 3: did last year. Those guys were playing thirty thirty five 691 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 3: minutes a game because at the core of it, their 692 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 3: competitive nature was that they want to be the best. 693 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 3: But they also want to win, and I think that's 694 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 3: the biggest disconnect, and I think that's why so many 695 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 3: people are taking note or have an issue with what 696 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 3: Darren Peterson is doing. We'll take a break, we'll come back. 697 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 3: Are we going one segment or two to finish out 698 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 3: the hour? Two segments to finish out hour number two 699 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 3: on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Keigan Nickoson will 700 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 3: join us as well at two o'clock on the Home 701 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,919 Speaker 3: of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen to thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 702 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 3: You welcome back since e three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty 703 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 3: Cincinnatis Sports Station. Phone lines open five, one, three, seven, 704 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 3: four nine, fifteen thirty. We will talk to Keegan nickoson 705 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 3: a Bearcat Journal dot com at two o'clock. We've got 706 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 3: two segments to get in here Austin. The Seattle Seahawks 707 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 3: officially up for sale. 708 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 4: Yes they are. 709 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 3: They are selling the Seattle Seahawks. That being I believe 710 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 3: Microsoft co founder Paul Allen is selling the Seattle Seahawks 711 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 3: and DraftKings. Threw down a list of the price that 712 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 3: was paid for each of the NFL franchises at the 713 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 3: time of their last sale. This is pretty incredible to 714 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 3: look at now. The Bengals Austin were bought for eight 715 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 3: million dollars in nineteen sixty seven, eight million dollars. You 716 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 3: go on the other side of this, in twenty twenty three, 717 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 3: the Washington Commanders were bought for six point five billion 718 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 3: with a b dollars. Listen to some of these other sales. 719 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 3: Nineteen thirty two, the Arizona Cardinals were bought for fifty 720 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 3: grand to nineteen twenty You know what it took to 721 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 3: buy the Chicago Bears. 722 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,760 Speaker 4: I know this answers. It's not very much money. 723 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 3: One hundred dollars. 724 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like one hundred bucks. 725 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 3: And it ranges the bills in twenty fourteen one point 726 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 3: four billion dollars. But some of these smaller numbers nineteen 727 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 3: twenty five, the New York Giants, they were bought for 728 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 3: five hundred dollars, the Pittsburgh Steelers in nineteen thirty three, 729 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 3: twenty five hundred dollars, the Rams twenty ten, seven hundred 730 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 3: and fifty million billion dollars. But it's just incredible to 731 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 3: see those time stamps and what you could have done 732 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 3: to buy an NFL franchise an NFL organization compared to 733 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 3: where it is now. Are there any reports of what 734 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 3: they're expecting Seattle to get in this sale? I mean, 735 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 3: it doesn't help they're coming off a Super Bowl championship. 736 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 4: Uh No, I haven't seen what they are expected. 737 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 3: I mean that would be incredible. I mean, that's incredible 738 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 3: some of these numbers and just how high that can 739 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 3: go billions of dollars. Of course, the one NFL franchise 740 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 3: that has never been for sale would be the Green 741 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,879 Speaker 3: Bay Packers. Other than that, that's quite a hefty list, 742 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 3: and that's a lot, a lot. If the Commanders were 743 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 3: sold for six billion in twenty twenty three, do you 744 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 3: think the Seahawks can go for eight to ten? 745 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 4: I would say they're probably right around what would the 746 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 4: Bengals get six and a half to seven seven and 747 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,720 Speaker 4: a half. I think the Bengals the last time Forbes 748 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 4: released it, were at like four and a half almost 749 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 4: five who billion? Yeah. 750 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 3: As of earlier this month, industry experts projected the value 751 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:23,439 Speaker 3: between seven and nine billion for the Seattle Seahawks, some 752 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 3: projections even reaching nine to ten billion dollars. That, of course, 753 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 3: would surpass the record set by the Washington commanders of 754 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 3: six billion dollars. Incredible, incredible stuff, the amount of money 755 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 3: that is thrown around at that level. Let's take one 756 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 3: final break this hour. Keegan Nickison will join us at 757 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 3: two o'clock. We'll check in one more time and hour 758 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 3: number two next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports. 759 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 2: Station WCKY, Cincinnati and iHeartRadio Station Guaranteed Human ESPN fifteen thirty. 760 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 15: I Heard radio. 761 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 2: From the Wyoming Air temp Star Weather Center. 762 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 3: Here's your forecast. 763 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 17: Another warm one this afternoon as temperas reached the mid 764 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 17: possibly upper sixties, but random storm chances move in late 765 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 17: this evening, starting off to the west and dying out 766 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 17: as that cold front moves through. Expect rain though off 767 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 17: and on through the overnight hours. Much colder tomorrow, temperatures 768 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 17: will fall as breezy conditions will set in. At your 769 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 17: ninm first one and forecast. I'm meteorologist Cameron Harden. 770 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 3: This report is sponsored by Mattress firm scort. 771 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:33,959 Speaker 2: A Strong Wine. 772 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 6: We're gonna have. 773 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 4: Some fun tonight. 774 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 3: Welcome back. Since he three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati 775 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:48,320 Speaker 3: Sports Station. 776 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 2: You know. 777 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 3: In hearing that it's it's not directly related. But I 778 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 3: got an updated message yesterday Austin. You'll never guess from 779 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 3: who it has to do with music on this show. 780 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 3: Surely it's not our guy Jeff Henry. It was wow, 781 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 3: our guy Jeff Henry. Now he claims that the latest 782 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 3: album is done in this message. He claims that it's 783 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 3: done in this message now. In the message, he also 784 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 3: went into detail that I think like the digital platforms 785 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 3: aren't hitting yet, but did say that he would be 786 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 3: sending along like one of the CDs to get an 787 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 3: early tryout on. So we'll see if it happens. But 788 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,839 Speaker 3: as of right now, I think this is like three 789 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 3: years in the works. As of right now, there is 790 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 3: new music coming out from Jeff Henry. We'll see if 791 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 3: he actually happens. Good for Jeff, I'm happy that he 792 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 3: finally did it. I'm happy that it took three years 793 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 3: and a lot of I'm sure, blood, sweat and tears. 794 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 3: Thirty five days to opening day. You mentioned earlier on 795 00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 3: yesterday you teased the great Alejo Lopez that wore the 796 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 3: number thirty five. Yeah, who's the greatest number thirty five 797 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 3: in Red's history? And how is it not? Don gall it? 798 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 4: I don't know that it would be anybody. 799 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 3: But him, Randy Saint Clair, Geronimo Barroa. 800 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 4: What'd you call me? 801 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 3: Geronimo Baroa nineteen ninety two. It might be tough to 802 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 3: go against Geronimo. I guess Gilly Campbell. 803 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 4: They made a song that I said, say Girana Mo, 804 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 4: Say Mo. 805 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 3: Ernie Lombardi? Is that who the trophy is named after? 806 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 3: Uh no, nineteen thirty eight? He rocked it. 807 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 4: Just looking at this list, Ernie Lombardi is the only 808 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 4: one that has a statue outside of Great American Ballpark? 809 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 4: So does that put him at the field? Like idiot? 810 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,839 Speaker 4: You would probably have to go with him. I mean, 811 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:59,359 Speaker 4: Frank Pass store Man beast it is now tomorrow might 812 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 4: be a little bit of a challenge. Just early indications. 813 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 4: Dream Weaver, Homer Bailey, Ryan Dempster, don't who are you doing? 814 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 4: I mean there's a lot of greats. Don't empty the clip. 815 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 3: This clip's not empty. That's just the top. That's a 816 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 3: top show. 817 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 4: What about Raoul Sanchez in nineteen sixty he was number 818 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,280 Speaker 4: thirty five? Johnny Clipstein, I think a lot of listeners 819 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 4: will remember Johnny. What about Harry Perkowski? Any relation to 820 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 4: Mike was ASKI. 821 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 3: How many years did Geronimo Barroa like? He played for 822 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,840 Speaker 3: the Reds for one year and for whatever reason, and 823 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 3: maybe it was the age I was at, or maybe 824 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 3: it was just the name. I remember him as a 825 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 3: Cincinnati read I don't remember he played in thirteen games, 826 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 3: and somehow I remember Geronimo Barroa. That's nice, unbelievable. It's 827 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 3: another name. I just like saying Geronimo Barroa. Let's go 828 00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 3: to our three. Keegan Nickoson will kick things off Bearcat 829 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 3: journal dot com when we return on ESPN fifteen thirty 830 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,319 Speaker 3: Cincinnati Sports Station. 831 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 4: What the headlines are enough? 832 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 2: Go deeper, all the struggles, all the heartache, all the 833 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 2: triumphs with brokenness, there's goodness at the end of that. 834 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 2: For my fans that have followed me from the beginning, 835 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 2: I've shared a lot about my faith and they know 836 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,839 Speaker 2: that part about me. 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