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Speaker 1: You want to be an American.

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Speaker 2: Indio News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in for

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Speaker 2: Slowney today. Oh, lots going on, you know. I just

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Speaker 2: saw this this morning Australia. My daughter is in the

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Speaker 2: in the army. She stationed there protesters in Australia. I

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Speaker 2: guess what they did. They blocked a bus that was

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Speaker 2: carrying the Iranian women's soccer team. Uh, they got out,

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Speaker 2: they lost, and they exited the I think it's the

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Speaker 2: Women's Asian Cup this week. But I guess what happened

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Speaker 2: is dozens of demonstrators knelt down or they laid in

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Speaker 2: front of the bus outside the team's hotel on the

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Speaker 2: Gold Coast. They were chanting save our girls and waving

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Speaker 2: pre revolution Iranian flags. Now, just so you know, the

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Speaker 2: pre revolution flag looks a lot like the one they

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Speaker 2: have now, so he got to kind of look at

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Speaker 2: it closely. But here's the gist of it. Though five

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Speaker 2: players asked for and were granted asylum by the Australian

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Speaker 2: government after seeking safety amid fears of punishment in Iran.

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Speaker 2: You think right as I was coming out the door

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Speaker 2: this morning, I saw the Prime Minister of Australia don't

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Speaker 2: remember his name talking about it, and he said, hey,

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Speaker 2: you know, they got a home here, and so does

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Speaker 2: the rest of the team if they should want to.

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Speaker 2: So he is going to grant them asylum. Now I

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Speaker 2: read one thing where apparently he didn't want to do

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Speaker 2: that at first, but they now are going to grant asylum,

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Speaker 2: as I understand it to these five more hubbub with

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Speaker 2: this team in a good way as far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 2: This team initially refused to sing the Iranian national anthem

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Speaker 2: that was before the first match against South Korea, and

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Speaker 2: they did that as a gesture of protest or mourning.

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Speaker 2: I guess what happened was President Trump when he found

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Speaker 2: out or heard that initially they weren't going to grant asylum,

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Speaker 2: he got on the Tom Tom's probably truth social and

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Speaker 2: raised a bit of a ruckus and the Australian PM

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister gave in. But you know what, it just

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Speaker 2: demonstrates what you're dealing with here with Iran, And unless

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Speaker 2: you're a total idiot, you realize this. These are horrible,

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Speaker 2: horrible people. You know, I wouldn't want to be those

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Speaker 2: five women if I went back to Iran. After not

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Speaker 2: singing the Iranian national anthem. There's just no way, Lord

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Speaker 2: knows what they would do with it. But just curiously,

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Speaker 2: and perhaps I missed it. I didn't hear now or

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Speaker 2: any women's groups screaming about that. And don't you find

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Speaker 2: that really unusual? Of course, I say all of this

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Speaker 2: with tongue firmly planted in chic They don't care. You know,

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Speaker 2: if it's something that's not gonna make America look bad,

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Speaker 2: then they're not concerned with it. Such hypocrites. But we

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Speaker 2: shall see how this plays out. But I'll tell you,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to give all five of those young ladies

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Speaker 2: a metal if I could, because they're brave. And there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of people like that in that country that

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Speaker 2: are brave, and you know, we've kind of set the

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Speaker 2: table for them, and now it's time for them to

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Speaker 2: take their country back. And tomorrow you probably already know,

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Speaker 2: maybe you don't, President Trump is coming to Cincinnati, and

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Speaker 2: here's the deal with that. And by the way, we

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Speaker 2: will be talking to Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times

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Speaker 2: at nine point thirty. She is covering the event. The

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Speaker 2: President's visit for the Epoch time, so we'll get the

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Speaker 2: download from her what she knows about it. But he's

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Speaker 2: going to visit Cincinnati and Hebrew, Kentucky, Kentucky on Wednesday, Tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: March eleventh, Trump will be touring the Thermo Fisher Scientific

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Speaker 2: and discussing Trump are Acts a government website that allows

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Speaker 2: people to buy discounted prescription drugs. And I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: what I'm all for that. It's just a joke. I mean,

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Speaker 2: every time I go and you know, I got to

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Speaker 2: get a prescription filled, the price is different, or you know,

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Speaker 2: they'll say, well, we build your insurance and they didn't

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Speaker 2: cover it. And my rule of thumb on that is

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Speaker 2: pretty much, if it's something that you really need, it

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Speaker 2: won't be covered, So forget about it. Trump's going to

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Speaker 2: be speaking at a public event while in Hebrew at

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Speaker 2: Verse Logistics Contract packaging facility. Don't know the purpose of

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Speaker 2: that visit so far, but here's the deal. Everybody knows this.

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Speaker 2: Northern Kentucky's kind of been a thorn in the President's

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Speaker 2: side for a while. The region is represented in Congress

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Speaker 2: by Tom Massey, who is always on the other side

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Speaker 2: of Trump in these fights in the feud has really

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Speaker 2: gotten pretty bitter, so I don't know that's going to

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Speaker 2: be interesting to see. But again, as I said, Janis Heisel,

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Speaker 2: the Epoch Times will be with us in just a

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Speaker 2: little bit to tell us about that. But anyway, he's

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Speaker 2: going to speak at this pharmaceutical and biotechnology manufacturing plant,

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Speaker 2: Thermo Fisher that's near I guess the Northern Kentucky International Airport.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be there. They don't know for sure

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Speaker 2: what time yet, don't have an exact time. I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you what. When I was in politics, I've had the

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Speaker 2: opportunity to be involved in some of these presidential visits.

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Speaker 2: It is a big deal. I mean, you just can't

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Speaker 2: imagine what goes into it. Coordination with traffic, security and

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Speaker 2: those type of things. And President Trump kind of does

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Speaker 2: things on the fly too, So I'm sure all those

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Speaker 2: people got their got their things together and it'll work

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Speaker 2: out fine. I wanted to talk to you just a

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Speaker 2: minute because it's something that I didn't really even know about,

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Speaker 2: and I try to find out what is trump Our

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Speaker 2: ex Trump deal includes new direct to consumer website announcement,

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Speaker 2: and as I said before, this is something it was

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Speaker 2: an issue in the campaign. It's still an issue. This

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Speaker 2: is something that something has to be done about it

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Speaker 2: because other countries don't have the issues that we do

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Speaker 2: with respect to prescription drugs. You know, they don't have

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Speaker 2: to mortgage their house to be able to get them.

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, I'm pretty much convinced the

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Speaker 2: way this stuff goes is Tony is at the end

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Speaker 2: of the chain here cashing in. And I say that

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Speaker 2: somewhat with tongue planet in cheek, but at any rate,

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Speaker 2: here's the deal with the trump RX. It's expected to

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Speaker 2: launch at the beginning of next year, so it's not

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Speaker 2: enforced yet. It will allow patients to buy Pfizer drugs.

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Speaker 2: Pfizer's the only company that's in so far, at a

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Speaker 2: discount of fifty percent on average. I'll tell you something,

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Speaker 2: some of the prescriptions I've had to get fifty percent

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Speaker 2: off is well, something that will be very, very welcome,

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Speaker 2: and as far as Fiser goes, it will include a

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Speaker 2: majority of the company's primary care treatments and some specialty brands.

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Speaker 2: Pfizer's participation in trump our X is part of a

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Speaker 2: greater agreement for the drug maker to lower costs for

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Speaker 2: some I don't know how they figure this out, but

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Speaker 2: some American consumers. As President Trump tries to reduce drug

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Speaker 2: prices to match other countries, and yeah, that's like I

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Speaker 2: just said, We're the only country that goes through this nonsense.

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Speaker 2: You know, you have a drug that you need, you

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Speaker 2: go get it. You know, of course, oh it's sure

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Speaker 2: doesn't cover it. But maybe one time when you go,

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Speaker 2: it's thirty dollars. Well, then the next time you go,

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Speaker 2: it's thirty two dollars. But then if you got your

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Speaker 2: good RX thing on your phone, they'll lop another twenty dollars.

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Speaker 2: It's just a load of crap, it really is. And

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Speaker 2: I am so glad that he's doing this, and I

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Speaker 2: just hope that it goes beyond Pfizer. But anyway, Pfizer

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Speaker 2: is also planning to invest in US manufacturing, which gives

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Speaker 2: it a three year grace period. Here we go from

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Speaker 2: Trump's tariffs on pharmaceutical products. By taking this bold step,

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Speaker 2: we're ending the era of global price gouging at the

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Speaker 2: expense of American families, and we're making America healthy again.

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Speaker 2: What mister president, And I'm glad you're doing that, and

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Speaker 2: hopefully tomorrow we will be able to learn a little

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Speaker 2: bit more about Trump RX and what sure would be

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Speaker 2: nice if he could speed it up because as they said,

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Speaker 2: it's not scheduled to go online until twenty twenty seven. Hey,

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Speaker 2: let's do this. Let's take a quick break and we'll

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Speaker 2: be back. Mike Allen in for Slowney, seven hundred wl W,

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Speaker 2: down twenty two News Radio, seven hundred wl W. Mike

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Speaker 2: Gallon in for Sloaney today. Tell you what I got

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Speaker 2: Fox News on obviously with the sound turndown. And I

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Speaker 2: am glad I'm not traveling today, tomorrow or the next

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Speaker 2: day whatever. What a freaking mess. And it all comes

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Speaker 2: down to funding for the Department of Homeland Security and

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Speaker 2: the Democrats league, well, we'll show them, you know, we're

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Speaker 2: gon we're gonna hang this noose over their head and

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Speaker 2: they'll go ahead and cave on ICE. Well, the problem

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Speaker 2: is ICE is already funded. I mean, here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: I really wonder whether the Democrats think we're all that's

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Speaker 2: stupid and we can't figure it out. I've got some

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Speaker 2: poll numbers here I'll tell you about in a minute.

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Speaker 2: Kind of heartening but not surprising. But anyway, with respect

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Speaker 2: to the airports agents have been grappling with partial paychecks.

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Speaker 2: That's not good and soon to be empty paychecks if

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Speaker 2: this shutdown persists. Here's the thing, the wait time. Now,

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Speaker 2: I guess this was yesterday for travelers three point five hours,

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Speaker 2: get to the I've traveled a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: a stupid reason. So if you go to the TSA

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Speaker 2: it's unbelievable, it really is. I mean goes on to

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Speaker 2: what Homeland Security is doing. They're just pointing people in

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Speaker 2: You know, there are delays mechanical otherwise, but this is

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Speaker 2: There's no reason for it at all. But I guess

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Speaker 2: we shall see where that goes, all right, you know me.

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Speaker 2: I love my polls. This one came out yesterday and

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Speaker 2: it's somewhat surprising. Blood as far as I'm concerned, I

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Speaker 2: like the way it came out. A new NBC News

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Speaker 2: poll released I guess it was yesterday shows that President

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Speaker 2: Trump currently holds a higher favorability rating than both California

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Speaker 2: Governor Gavin Newsom and Kamala herself. Here's the breakdown, and

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Speaker 2: President Trump as these other two jokers, Kamala and Gavin,

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Speaker 2: they're all what they referred to in politics as underwater.

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Speaker 2: Trump is at forty one percent positive, fifty three percent negative,

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Speaker 2: and that's a net loss I guess of twelve points.

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Speaker 2: Kamala thirty four percent positive, fifty one percent negative. That's

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Speaker 2: a net of seventeen. Gavin new some even worse, only

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Speaker 2: twenty seven percent positive, forty five percent negative, for a

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Speaker 2: If the election were held today, if jdvans I think

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Speaker 2: were the candidate, I think he would win. I wouldn't well,

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Speaker 2: I almost don't want to say that, but I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: bet the ranch on it today. But I think that

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Speaker 2: he would people, some people, not many. I think people

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Speaker 2: other things that they just don't watch this stuff. I

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Speaker 2: know they don't watch it as much as I do,

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Speaker 2: because they're normal people. Anyway, these results are viewed as

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Speaker 2: a warning sign, you think, for Newsom and Harris, who

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Speaker 2: are both considered top potential Democratic contenders for the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty eighth presidential race. And I'll tell you what, if

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Speaker 2: the Democrat Party can't do better than Kamala Harris and

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Speaker 2: or Gavin Newsom, they deserve to get paddled pretty badly

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Speaker 2: in the election. And of course the big thing's going

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is actually Trump's first visiting our area since

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Speaker 2: Hey, Janis, we got a terrible connection here. I don't

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Speaker 2: Correctly, Yeah, it'll be interesting. Hey, I wanted to talk

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Speaker 7: But you did.

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Speaker 2: they're primed for it.

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Speaker 3: Well those were his exact words, for sure, and you

433
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 3: know he just he just kind of shook and said,

434
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Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. I mean, I think he says

435
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Speaker 3: something literally along those lines right after that statement. Ye

436
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: kind of like, hey, it would be out of his hands.

437
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Speaker 2: After that shift gears on you here last week. You

438
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: got this story. You've been on top of this Minnesota

439
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 2: thing since jump and always so thorough and really let

440
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: us know what's going on. They had that hearing last

441
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: week March the fourth I got to watch some of

442
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: it the hearing with the Governor, Tim Waltz and Attorney

443
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: General Keith Allison and man to say that they got

444
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 2: raked over the coles as an understand, and I don't

445
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: mean that in a negative way, some tough, tough questions

446
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: that they really should have answered a little bit more fully.

447
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 2: I think, can you kind of tell us about that

448
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: Janis and the four takeaways that you had?

449
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Speaker 3: Sure? So, the chairman of the committee, which was a

450
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: House oversight committee, basically said, you know, this is one

451
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: of the most standout quotes in my memory from this

452
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 3: hearing was while the whistleblowers were silenced, prasters got rich.

453
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 3: And so you know, there's some argument that you know,

454
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 3: just like a football coach or a quarterback, how responsibility

455
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: for what happens with the team or freshing with the

456
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: coach In the same way, the governor and some of

457
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 3: his supporters were basically saying, you know, you can't know everything.

458
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,479
Speaker 3: You can be in charge of every single little thing,

459
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: but at the end of the day, you know, I

460
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 3: will say Waltz, the Governor did say that the buck

461
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: stops with me. He has said that several times. So

462
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: he was saying, Look, Comer was saying, look, being in

463
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 3: charge of this. According to him and a lot of

464
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: other testimony, people who were coming forward from these state

465
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: departments and saying, warning, I am seeing lots of money

466
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: flowing to this place, and they're not really justifying these funds,

467
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: and they're just saying, well, there's Somalians who are running

468
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: that business, so you know, you might be considered racist

469
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: or islamaphobic if we investigate. So just basically be quiet,

470
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: so you know. And they were actually threatened and surveiled,

471
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Speaker 3: and according to a lot of testimony, and there were

472
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Speaker 3: apparently at least thirty whistle blowers who gave testimony in

473
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Speaker 3: private sessions to members of Comer's committee.

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Speaker 2: About that eleven billion dollars. Thirty whistle blowers. Gee, I

475
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: think something may be a miss up there in Minnesota.

476
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Speaker 2: You're first out of your four things points that you make.

477
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: Payments kept flowing after fraud alarms, and I've heard that

478
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: ever since this thing started. Jais I mean, and you

479
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: just kind of covered a little bit. They knew something

480
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: was going on, but they kept throwing money at it. Anyway,

481
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Speaker 2: Is that accurate?

482
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Speaker 3: That was what one of the things give out of

483
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Speaker 3: the hearing. You know, Representative Byron Donalds, who's running for

484
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: governor in Florida, was saying that, you know, agency leaders

485
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Speaker 3: directly notified the governor's chief of staff by May of

486
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty about concerns regarding this business called Feeding Our Future.

487
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: It's a nonprofit organization that was paid to get provide

488
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: meals to kids. Yeah, well the payments get this went

489
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: from three hundred and seven thousand dollars in twenty eighteen,

490
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Speaker 3: which is a year before Waltz took office, to two

491
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Speaker 3: one hundred million dollars three years later.

492
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Speaker 5: Wow after So that would have been in twenty twenty one,

493
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Speaker 5: a year after the flat.

494
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Speaker 3: Alarms were raised, And donald and other people are going, what.

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Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable. And I still think it's a tip

496
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: of the iceberg. But we'll see, and I want we're

497
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: not going to have time for all of them. But

498
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: the second point, whistleblower retaliation alleged and denied. That's something

499
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 2: that you've looked at him and we've been talking about

500
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Speaker 2: for a while. It seems to me that that's pretty

501
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: much established now, is it not that the whistleblowers have

502
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: been kind of singled out. I think somebody said Tim Burchett,

503
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: a Republican from Tennessee, almost thirty whistleblowers accused you and

504
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: your administration of retaliation. Of course, Waltz denied it. What

505
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on that?

506
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 3: Well, not only those whistleblowers spoke directly to that committee

507
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, but there's that actually an x account

508
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: that claims to represent get this, four hundred Minnesota state

509
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 3: employees who are issuing statements over and over again. And

510
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: ordinarily anybody can set up a Twitter account, right, so

511
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: you know x xcs Twitter. But you know, the thing

512
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: is that state legislators have spoken to a lot of

513
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: these people confidentially, and they have validated that account as

514
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: being legitimately made up of people who are working or

515
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: were in the past working for state government agencies in Minnesota.

516
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: And so there was one lady who went very public.

517
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: I've seen her name, and I chose not to name

518
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: her in this article for a couple of different reasons.

519
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: But she was a.

520
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: Lifelong Democrat and was called racist. So again, Governor Waltz

521
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: is a Democrat. But this lady, despite being a standploy,

522
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: a lifelong Democrat, was called racist and her she got

523
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: a different job, assignment at a not such a good

524
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 3: job right after she blew the whistle on fraud.

525
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: Wow.

526
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: You know, so that lady has been public in multiple publications.

527
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what, there's going to be more

528
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: of that too. And well that just kind of really

529
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: makes you mad. Just the fear of being labeled racist,

530
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: islamophobic causes people not to do anything about it, you know. Unfortunately,

531
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Speaker 2: Janis as always we are out of time, but really

532
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: appreciates you spending some time with us this morning.

533
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I just want to encourage people to follow me

534
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: on Janice Heisel. Last name is h I s l E.

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00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: First name is Janis j A.

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Speaker 2: I see, all right, thank you so much. Janis really

537
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: a great day. Mind you too. Well, I'll tell you what.

538
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: When she does a story, she does a story, and

539
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: that's the Epoch Times in general. And again, if you

540
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: have had a chance, and I'm not working form or anything,

541
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: but if you haven't had a chance to look at it,

542
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: you should because it's a very very thorough publication. Hey,

543
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: we got to take a break, but when we get back,

544
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: will it ever go away? Epstein Epstein Epstein Legal analyst

545
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 2: Steve Gooden is going to talk to you about another

546
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: Epstein issue, this one with a Cincinnati twist. So make

547
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: sure you want to hear that. We will be back.

548
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: Mike Gallen in for Slowny, seven hundred WLW.

549
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Speaker 1: You want to be an American.

550
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: TA News Radio seven WLW. Mike Allen in for Sloaney. Well,

551
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: if you think we're done with Epstein, think again, this

552
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 2: time with a local twist, some old, old old allegations

553
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: against Epstein and also President Trump. But I mean it's

554
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: as thin as it can be. But again, as I said,

555
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: there is a local twist to it. Here to talk

556
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: about it is legal analyst Steve Gooden. He is a

557
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: partner with Porter Wright and he works on complicated civil

558
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: and criminal cases. Steve, thanks for joining.

559
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 9: Us, Hey anytime, like, Hey, tell.

560
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 2: Us about this new thing that you found. As I understand,

561
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: I didn't see it, and it's not really written about

562
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: very much. It was one of the ones that the DOJ,

563
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: I guess lost or something like that. Can you fill

564
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: us in on all that?

565
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 9: Yeah?

566
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 10: Sure, Yeah, this is a really interesting twist and as

567
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 10: you say, it may be absolutely nothing, but it's fascinating. Nonetheless,

568
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 10: So the DOJ, Department of Justice released a handful of

569
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Speaker 10: documents on Friday that were not, for whatever reason, originally

570
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 10: produced with the rest of the Epstein files about six

571
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 10: weeks ago. And in those documents there are additional allegations

572
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 10: about Epstein and Donald Trump from roughly to nineteen eighty

573
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 10: three nineteen eighty four period, and what allegedly happened all

574
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 10: occurred on Hilton Head Island in a series of long

575
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 10: term rentals, and there was a woman who came forward

576
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 10: along with her friend in twenty nineteen, according to these reports,

577
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 10: called the FBI and said, look, we were I was

578
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 10: sexually abused there by both Epstein and by President Now

579
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 10: President Trump provided some very graphic details I won't go

580
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 10: into on the air.

581
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 9: But one of the things that caught my mind my.

582
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Speaker 10: Attention immediately in this last release is she references a

583
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Speaker 10: Cincinnati area businessman who was involved in real estate in

584
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Speaker 10: south in South Carolina and gives a very specific description.

585
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 9: Of him, and he is named in the files. I

586
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 9: won't name him here.

587
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 10: There have been several newspaper reports in the Charleston, South

588
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 10: Carolina area that have really delved into this and have

589
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 10: tried to figure out, you know, whether or not they

590
00:36:59,160 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 10: can substantiate.

591
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 9: We ate these claims.

592
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 10: Obviously, the person who made them has been identified as

593
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 10: an actual person. For mother and friends have been identified,

594
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 10: and it looks as though the FBI did do some

595
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 10: follow up calls. This individual is also appears several other

596
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 10: places now in the files. There are folks, you know,

597
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 10: out on the internet who are searching through these millions

598
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 10: of documents because it does seem as though this person

599
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 10: who we believe most most of us believed to be dead.

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Speaker 10: You know, he's someone who has described as quote having

601
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 10: gray hair and big ears, which isn't much to go on.

602
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 10: But this individual, this woman.

603
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 9: Did name him.

604
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 10: You know, most news papers are not naming him at

605
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 10: this point because it is now substantiated. But she listed

606
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 10: him as a Cincinnati area business person with real estate connections,

607
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 10: business in South Carolina, and someone affiliated with the local college.

608
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 10: I will say that some of the other folks who

609
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 10: have dug into this, and as well as myself, you know,

610
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 10: it looks as though the person may be may be

611
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 10: more of a Cincinnati person than or Columbus person than

612
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 10: a Cincinnati person. But it's fascinating, nonetheless, and I think

613
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 10: it's going to be you know, opening up get a

614
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 10: new sort of Pandora's box with local connections, particularly given

615
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 10: you know.

616
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 9: The ongoing drama.

617
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 10: At Ohio State over the less wets Near connection with

618
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 10: they think there is very he is much much more

619
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 10: firmly established than this. But for the first time, you know,

620
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 10: you plug in Cincinnati into the DJ surch engine, you're

621
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 10: going to start to start to see some.

622
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: Stuff, you know, and and it is interesting the Cincinnati connection.

623
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Speaker 2: And obviously I won't ask you to name that person

624
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: he said he passed away? Am I right about that?

625
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 9: Well?

626
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 10: Who most of us believe it's a very common name,

627
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 10: and so I'm trying to talk around it because if

628
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 10: it's if it is the individual that most folks seem

629
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 10: to think think it is his, you know, living adult children.

630
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 10: So again, until something is substantiated in more detail, and

631
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 10: this person is never criminally charged or anything of that

632
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 10: name true, but the name can be found in the unredacted.

633
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 9: Files that were released last Friday.

634
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 10: So if it's the person that most people think seem

635
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 10: to think it is the person that has been deceased

636
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 10: for some years.

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00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: You know, another interesting thing in the article that you

638
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: sent me from the South Carolina newspaper, I'll just read

639
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: that a couple of sentences here. Months later, she was

640
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: charged with six counts of forgery for writing bad checks.

641
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: That's the mom you're talking about there, right, Okay, for

642
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: writing bad checks, a crime she had been accused of

643
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: in the past as well. Signing off on the charges

644
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: was then solicitor, which is prosecutor then solicitor rand Hoff

645
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: Buster Murdo Junior, the dude who was convicted of murder

646
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Speaker 2: his wife and his son. So, I mean, that's a

647
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: kind of an interesting little twist on that.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, it's insane if you if you dig into

649
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Speaker 10: the whole report, the there's this this gentleman who was

650
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Speaker 10: either from Cincinnati or Columbus was dating her mother and

651
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Speaker 10: then also you know, became involved with her when she

652
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Speaker 10: was thirteen and fourteen.

653
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Speaker 9: That's what she alleges anyway. So and then the mother.

654
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Speaker 10: Obviously ended up going to jail for embezzling from her

655
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Speaker 10: real estate business and later blamed the embezzlement on her

656
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 10: need to raise money to pay off Jeffrey Epstein, who

657
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 10: allegedly had photos of her daughter. It's very sordid. And then, yes,

658
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Speaker 10: the prosecutor who put her in jail, for embezzlement, later

659
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 10: went to prison himself for murdering his wife. So you know,

660
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Speaker 10: Hilton had Charles you know that say they do things

661
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Speaker 10: differently down there.

662
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Speaker 2: I suppose, yeah they do. I mean everything that I've

663
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Speaker 2: watched about that. It's interesting too, as those people kind

664
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Speaker 2: of ruled the roost down there, the murders. But I

665
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Speaker 2: don't know, I thought that was an interesting twist. Just

666
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Speaker 2: a couple more questions on this and then we'll move on.

667
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Speaker 2: Do you, I mean, what is your best guest, Steve Gooden,

668
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: as to when, if ever, all this Epstein stuff is

669
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Speaker 2: going to stop. I mean, and it's a two parter.

670
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Speaker 2: And don't you think just as a general rule or

671
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Speaker 2: principle whatever, that if the Democrats had something on Trump,

672
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Speaker 2: they sure as hell would have trotted it out before

673
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Speaker 2: the election.

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Speaker 10: I mean, look, I mean, first and foremost, if there

675
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Speaker 10: was a criminal case to bring against Donald Trump, I

676
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 10: think that it would have been brought a long long

677
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 10: time ago. I mean, as we saw in the pier

678
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Speaker 10: between the two terms. I mean, they brought criminal charges

679
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 10: against him that were baseless. I mean, I still think

680
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 10: the mortgage fraud case was ridiculous. You know, some of

681
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 10: the Jack Smith stuff also was totally overblown. Most of

682
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 10: it fell apart in court. If they had an actual,

683
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 10: live witness with credible details, you know, I can't imagine

684
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Speaker 10: the case wouldn't have been brought forward. I mean this,

685
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 10: according to these documents, this individual, this woman was interviewed

686
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Speaker 10: as many as four times by the agents in twenty nineteen.

687
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Speaker 9: So if they really.

688
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Speaker 10: Had something there, any kind of corroborating evidence, you know,

689
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Speaker 10: that would be I would have to imagine that that

690
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Speaker 10: kind of a case would have been brought forward. Now

691
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Speaker 10: that being said, there are things, you know, that do

692
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Speaker 10: according to this Posting Courier piece, which is the big

693
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Speaker 10: newspaper in Charleston, South Carolina, there are some things that

694
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Speaker 10: she says that do line up. I mean, she references

695
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Speaker 10: going to a concert and seeing Jeffrey Epstein, and they

696
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 10: found evidence that concert actually did occur. You know, they

697
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 10: found some evidence that supports of her mother was involved

698
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Speaker 10: in this real estate business that she mentions, in which

699
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Speaker 10: Jeffrey Epstein was a client and I think at one

700
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Speaker 10: point an investor. So there are some things there that

701
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 10: indicate some of the story is true, but so far,

702
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 10: no one's produced any kind of flight logs or any

703
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 10: other eyewitnesses that would connect the president there. So I

704
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 10: don't think there's much of a question that Jeffrey Epstein,

705
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 10: prior to having his private island, went to places, you know,

706
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 10: like his ranch in New Mexico and places that he

707
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 10: would rent and Hilton had to do, you know, his

708
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 10: his illegal activities. But really, there isn't anything there in

709
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Speaker 10: regards to the President that I don't think hasn't already

710
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 10: been talked about. There are specifics, there are details, and

711
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 10: again if you look at the actual documents that are

712
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 10: now available online, that's very.

713
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Speaker 9: Graphic and terrible.

714
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 10: But you know, it really is something that's something that

715
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 10: he's long denied, and that these kinds of allegations have

716
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 10: floated around him for many many years. You know, the

717
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 10: only thing that has ever been substantiated in a court

718
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 10: of law really was the Egene Carroll case where she

719
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 10: sued him Civilly prime reially for defamation in that case,

720
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 10: but the defamation was based on his denial of whatever

721
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 10: sexual encounter they allegedly had at a department store many

722
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Speaker 10: many years ago. So, I mean, these things have floated

723
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 10: around him. You know, he obviously kind of lived this

724
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 10: playboy lifestyle and when he was younger, particularly and you know,

725
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 10: by his own mission, and I think that that opens

726
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 10: a person up to this kind of speculation, But there

727
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 10: really isn't anything here that's going to change anybody's mind.

728
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Speaker 10: And really just I think it's just a reflection of

729
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 10: how divided the country is at the end of the day.

730
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Speaker 10: I mean, there is actual a poll this morning there's

731
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Speaker 10: a significant plurality of people who believe that the invasion

732
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Speaker 10: or our attack on Iran, or Iran has been was

733
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 10: solely designed to deflect attention from the Epstein files, which

734
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Speaker 10: you know, I mean there's there's you know, there's something

735
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Speaker 10: like forty percent of the public apparently believes that or

736
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Speaker 10: if you can believe the polling. So so that just

737
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 10: kind of reflects just how how divided the country is.

738
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Speaker 10: And I think, you know, and wh when you look

739
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 10: at the Epstein files, you're going to see what you're

740
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 10: looking for. If you hate Trump, you're going to see

741
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 10: evidence that he's a you know, a rapist and pedophile.

742
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 10: If you if you love Trump, you're going to look

743
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 10: at the files and you're going to see evidence that

744
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 10: he was being persecuted and gossiped about in a way

745
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 10: that's improper. And then there's a lot of us who

746
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 10: look at it and and don't know what the hell

747
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 10: to make of it all, to be honest.

748
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Speaker 2: And then one more, a lot of us look at

749
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: it and wish it would just go away, because it's

750
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: a it's a side issue, if you will, and I

751
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: know for the victims it's not. But the man needs

752
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 2: to run the country and also do what he needs

753
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: to do in the world. I just wish it would

754
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: go away, but it's not. Hey, let me let me

755
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: kind of change gears here at political of course, you

756
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: being a former Cincinnati City Council member and also the

757
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: chair of the Rejuvenated Charter Party, I understand we had

758
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: a couple more incidents downtown over the weekend, brawls and

759
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 2: things of that nature. I didn't see it, But tell

760
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 2: me what you know about that, Steve, Well.

761
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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know it.

762
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Speaker 10: It was kind of an interesting weekend and kind of

763
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Speaker 10: what's happened, I think really since last summer when we

764
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Speaker 10: had the horrible incident during the that became like an

765
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 10: international incident at the Cincinnati Music Festival on Fourth Street,

766
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Speaker 10: where you had this large brawl which is still snaking

767
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 10: its way through the court. What's kind of happened is

768
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 10: a lot of folks on social media now sort of

769
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 10: tracked these fights and incidents downtown.

770
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Speaker 9: And there are more of them, I.

771
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 10: Think than a lot of folks realize. They don't always

772
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 10: make it on the news, but a lot of people

773
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 10: record these things on their phone. So there were at

774
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 10: least two in the last seventy two hours. There was

775
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 10: a large brawl with a bunch of teenagers down at

776
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 10: a concert near the Brady Center. And then there was

777
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 10: another large brawl involving about twenty to thirty people down

778
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 10: by the library yesterday. And these are things that unfortunately

779
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 10: you can get on Facebook or Instagram now and track.

780
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 10: They're not making a lot of the local news, I think,

781
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 10: and even by the time sometimes the police respond that

782
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 10: they're they break up quickly. But there have been two

783
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Speaker 10: more large scale brawls that have been I think very

784
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 10: well documented. One of them did get some news coverage,

785
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 10: the one at the concert, but it just continue used

786
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 10: to be an issue and it continues to be.

787
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Speaker 9: I think they're really.

788
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 10: Really hanging around then these are these are not in

789
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 10: the middle of the night. I mean the one yesterday was.

790
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 10: You know, it was at three pm near a bus stop.

791
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 10: So I mean, these are things that are occurring right

792
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 10: in the middle of the business district, right in the

793
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 10: middle of the work day, and it does beg the

794
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 10: question about, you know, how the city is deploying our

795
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 10: police department. I mean, we had a large festival called

796
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 10: Bockfest Jim Tarbell originated to back in the nineties. I

797
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 10: had a record turnout. I was down there on Friday

798
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 10: to watch the parade and no issues at all.

799
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 9: I mean they had police.

800
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 10: Everywhere and it was very well organized and very well

801
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 10: thought out. So we can when we when we have

802
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 10: a large scale event, do a great safety plan and

803
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 10: keep people safe. But you know, I didn't see any

804
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 10: evidence of any kind of arrests or anything associated with

805
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 10: that large scale festival. Uh So, you know, but it's

806
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 10: continuing to be an issue. And now I think is

807
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 10: the weather is turning. You know, we had the awful

808
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 10: event at Riverfront Live two weeks ago. You know, we're

809
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 10: just everyone I think is just braced to see what

810
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 10: kind of a spring and summer we're going to have here.

811
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 10: I don't think this, you know, this is over. I

812
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 10: think for downtown and what it means for downtown is

813
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 10: a very sad thing.

814
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Speaker 2: It is. It is. I mean, the millions, billions of

815
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: dollars invested in downtown and you got to deal with this.

816
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 2: We got a couple more minutes left. Is it true

817
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 2: that the proposed city budget will cut public safety by

818
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: five percent? Because if it is, I mean, my head spinning.

819
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 2: What do you know about that, Steve?

820
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:36,959
Speaker 9: Well, that's where we are right now.

821
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 10: I mean, the city is facing a twenty nine million

822
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 10: dollar deficit, and the early indicate the early plan is

823
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 10: to cut all departments, including the police department, five percent,

824
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 10: you know, and obviously we're going absolutely the wrong direction there,

825
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 10: you know, especially coming out of last summer with our

826
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 10: incredible uptick in gun violence. And I know the city

827
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 10: argues that, you know, crime across all categories is you know,

828
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 10: arguably down city wide, but the uptaking gun violence and

829
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Speaker 10: Downtown OTR and Orthern OTR, especially in the West End,

830
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 10: it was up over over fifty five percent in those neighborhoods,

831
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 10: and it was just a you know, a rib a

832
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 10: terrible period and really you know, resulted in ultimately, I mean,

833
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 10: I know they're arguing otherwise, but common sense tells you.

834
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 10: That's why they ultimately suspended the police chief and brought

835
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 10: in n interim to try to try some of these strategies.

836
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 10: So the idea that they're you know, that we're trying

837
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 10: to do something with fewer officers, are actually perhaps you know,

838
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 10: cutting even some of the technology and trying to find

839
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 10: that five percent.

840
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 9: We don't know.

841
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 10: I know King Kober from the FOP has been out

842
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 10: publicly stating that in his view, this is just a

843
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 10: negotiating tactic. But you know, having worked on multiple city budgets,

844
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 10: I can tell you you know, it is structurally imbalanced.

845
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 10: There's a requirement to balance it, and they're going to

846
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 10: be looking every way they can to do that. So

847
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 10: the idea that we may actually have fewer resources in

848
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 10: the police department despite this up ticking gun violence is

849
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 10: a very real possibility, and it's just a it's a

850
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 10: very sad, sad state of affairs.

851
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Speaker 9: I don't know how else how else to put it.

852
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 10: I will say this, and I never I'm not you know,

853
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 10: we've been I've been very critical over the years of

854
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 10: how our current city manager is shure a long handled

855
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 10: a lout of matters. But I will say this, in

856
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 10: your credit. She actually preemptively declined to raise this ship.

857
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 10: They just reviewed, you know, they reviewed her and gave

858
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 10: her a great review with with with much of which

859
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 10: I would respectfully disagree.

860
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 9: But I will say to her credit that.

861
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Speaker 10: You know, unlike we we've had other city managers over

862
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 10: over the years, who have you know, who've been you know,

863
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 10: pretty consistently always bumped up and paid based upon you know,

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Speaker 10: the metrics and city users. But I thought her doing

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Speaker 10: that actually was a signal that they are really looking

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Speaker 10: at making some cuts and and uh and trying to

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Speaker 10: try to get out in front of that and actually

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Speaker 10: being cognizant of the morale issues that these cuts could

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Speaker 10: cause at city hall. So you know, I want to

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Speaker 10: give credit where it's due if they really are in

871
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Speaker 10: a budget cutting mode where it looks like they're going

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Speaker 10: to have to be her foregoing any kind of increase.

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Speaker 10: You know, it did send I think a powerful signal

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Speaker 10: that they're serious about.

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Speaker 9: That, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and surprising too, Steve. We're out of time, but

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Speaker 2: is always really appreciated, and please.

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Speaker 9: Keep us posted absolutely you take care of it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you too, thank you. Thanks, you know, talking about

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Speaker 2: cutting a police budget by five percent, that means layoffs,

881
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Speaker 2: and having been on the receiving end of a police

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Speaker 2: layoff back a million years ago, that ain't fun. It's

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Speaker 2: just not But I guess we'll have to see what happens. Hey,

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Speaker 2: we got to take a break, but when we get back,

885
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Speaker 2: we're going to talk to Mark Tapson. This guy has

886
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Speaker 2: a op ed piece out that defines the left and

887
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Speaker 2: liberals in general better than I have ever seen before,

888
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Speaker 2: and I'm looking forward to talking to him. His name

889
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Speaker 2: is Mark taps We will talk to him when we

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Speaker 2: get back. Mike Allen in for Sloany, seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: It is ten thirty eight News Radio, seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: Mike Allen in for Scott Sloan. I'll tell you what

893
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Speaker 2: this next guest. If you were here, I'd be giving

894
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Speaker 2: him a medal. He put together for Front Page magazine

895
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Speaker 2: a piece entitled the Left is a Basket of Miserables,

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Speaker 2: and I just want to read the first paragraph of

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Speaker 2: it and then we'll talk to him. When hockey player

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Speaker 2: Jack Hughes slapped the winning goal against Canada recently to

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Speaker 2: bring home Olympic gold for the United States for the

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Speaker 2: first time since the nineteen eighty miraclew on ice, all

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Speaker 2: America exalted, all except, of course, the bitter miserables of

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Speaker 2: the left. And with that, let me enter Mark Tapson.

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Speaker 2: He is the Shilman Fellow on Popular Culture at the

904
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Speaker 2: David Horowitz Freedom Center. And I'm telling you, Mark, that's

905
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Speaker 2: as good a description as the left the whole article,

906
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Speaker 2: as I've ever seen.

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Speaker 11: Thanks Mike, Yeah, you know, I was kind of playing

908
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Speaker 11: with the the pejorative that Hillary Clinton infamously slapped on

909
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Speaker 11: the right, which is that we're a basket of deplorables,

910
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Speaker 11: which is a horrible thing to say, but it occurred

911
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 11: to me, especially after this Olympic victory, that the left

912
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Speaker 11: should be referred to as a basket of miserables because

913
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Speaker 11: these people are relentlessly discontented. They're relentlessly bitter and relentlessly

914
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Speaker 11: angry that they live in a country that does not

915
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Speaker 11: match the utopian vision they have of a social justice

916
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Speaker 11: perfect world, and that kind of politicize, that kind of

917
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 11: political forever drives them to politicize every single aspect of

918
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Speaker 11: their lives and our lives too now, because we're dragged

919
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Speaker 11: into it. Remember that slogan from the seventies, the personal

920
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Speaker 11: is the political and vice versa. That's what has brought

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Speaker 11: our country to this current situation where Americans can't even

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Speaker 11: be brought together anymore by sporting events that were divided

923
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Speaker 11: on every single thing, from sports to bathrooms. And that's

924
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Speaker 11: the reason that the left is miserable all the time.

925
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Speaker 11: It's because leftism, by its very nature, requires its adherents

926
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Speaker 11: to be to live in this kind of perpetual grievance

927
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Speaker 11: and discontent about everything. So it's yeah, So while conservatives

928
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Speaker 11: exulted over this Olympic victory, the left had at best

929
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Speaker 11: mixed feelings about it. They have this kind of cognitive dissonance,

930
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Speaker 11: as they called it, about simultaneously feeling good about your

931
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Speaker 11: country and feeling proud of the Olympic team and and

932
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Speaker 11: hating at the same time the Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: And they got to bring that in. Let me ask

934
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Speaker 2: you this, Mark, were you surprised by.

935
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Speaker 9: Any of that?

936
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Speaker 2: Not at all.

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Speaker 11: But it's in fact I found it kind of amusing

938
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Speaker 11: the degree to which they they were wringing their hands

939
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Speaker 11: over how to deal with this cognitive dissonance. There was

940
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Speaker 11: a huff Post article that I was kind of spun

941
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Speaker 11: off of which talked about this cognitive dissonance, and the

942
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Speaker 11: writer even spoke with a few clinical psychologists. One of

943
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Speaker 11: them said that that it was an increasingly it was

944
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Speaker 11: one of the main topics that she held space for,

945
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Speaker 11: as she called it, in therapy. And I thought, well,

946
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Speaker 11: it's because progressives are They live in this kind of

947
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 11: psychological turmoil constantly. They can't just live normal lives. And

948
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Speaker 11: the right understands. You know, this is a major difference

949
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Speaker 11: between right and the left. The right understands that the

950
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Speaker 11: government is not America, that political administrations come and go,

951
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Speaker 11: but America, the country that we love, is sort of

952
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Speaker 11: above and beyond all that. The left cannot make that distinction,

953
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Speaker 11: and so they struggle with the fact that they live

954
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Speaker 11: in under this fascist, totalitarian Trump and yet they're supposed

955
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Speaker 11: to feel good about the Olympic victory. So it's a

956
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Speaker 11: real psychological conundrum for them, and unfortunately, the right tends

957
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Speaker 11: to get dragged into it.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Well, and here's the other thing I know from

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Speaker 2: my years of being involved in all this stuff. If

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Speaker 2: you get into an argument or even a discussion, although

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Speaker 2: that's rare because they turn it into an argument with

962
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Speaker 2: a liberal, they will never admit they are wrong. About anything,

963
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Speaker 2: And you can't have a constructive dialogue with somebody that

964
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Speaker 2: just sits there so arrogantly and well, you're wrong about that,

965
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Speaker 2: you're wrong about that, And I don't know what you

966
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Speaker 2: do about it, or if you can do anything about it.

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Speaker 11: I don't think you can do anything about it. Actually,

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Speaker 11: as someone put it, and I can't recall who. I

969
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Speaker 11: think it may have been, Victor Davis Hanson, but you

970
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Speaker 11: can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't

971
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Speaker 11: reason themselves into.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 11: I think even you know, people like Charlie kirk Aside,

974
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Speaker 11: who you know, was able to go out and and

975
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Speaker 11: try to debate people and actually changed a few minds.

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Speaker 11: Apart from that, I think it's literally impossible to have

977
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Speaker 11: a reason debate with the left because, as you put it,

978
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Speaker 11: they they simply cannot admit and will not admit that

979
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Speaker 11: their positions might be wrong. Right, Yeah, it's they and

980
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Speaker 11: they also so they just they never play defense. They

981
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Speaker 11: never are thrown on the defensive. They always always play offense.

982
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Speaker 11: And that's that's a lesson that conservatives actually need to

983
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Speaker 11: take the heart, no.

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Speaker 2: Question about it. And you know, I mean I've been

985
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: arguing with them for a long time. And you know

986
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: one other thing too, and I can personally attest to

987
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: this unfortunately, I mean, it even infects families and relationships

988
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Speaker 2: between family members. And you know, let's just say, oh

989
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Speaker 2: it's me if I say, you know, family is way

990
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: up here and politics is way down there. That's just

991
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: a foreign concept to them. You know, it's like you said,

992
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: everything has to be about politics.

993
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 11: Well, you know, every holiday that rolls around, especially Thanksgiving,

994
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 11: when families across America tend to get together and you know,

995
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Speaker 11: celebrate this country. Every time a holiday like that role around,

996
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 11: the left puts out a bunch of articles about this

997
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 11: is how you should talk to your your racist uncle

998
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 11: about why he's wrong, and it's it's so tiresome and

999
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 11: it's so antagonistic, that is, it's really pretty disgusting. But

1000
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 11: their aim, of course, I mean, the far left's aim

1001
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 11: is to divide and conquer, and it's especially hell bent

1002
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Speaker 11: literally on dividing and breaking up families because that's that's

1003
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Speaker 11: the that's the ultimate goal of neo cultural Marxist is

1004
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 11: the abolition of the family, as Karl Marx put it

1005
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 11: very bluntly. So that's every time a holiday rolls around.

1006
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 11: You're reminded that they have made politics the center of

1007
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Speaker 11: their lives, and if you disagree with them, even if

1008
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Speaker 11: you're related or even closely related, they'll cut you off

1009
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Speaker 11: if you don't reject the opinions they disagree with.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you that is you wouldn't know how

1011
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: accurate that is, just the way they are. And one

1012
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 2: thing about them too that I enjoy, and I've enjoyed

1013
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 2: through the years, it's fun to piss them off. And

1014
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: it's really kind of easy too. I get people calling

1015
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: into this show and my Saturday show Lives, and every

1016
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: once in a while they'll call, and I like when

1017
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: they do. But you know, when they start yelling and screaming,

1018
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: it's really easy to set them into orbit. And you

1019
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 2: know that's kind of fun.

1020
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 11: Well, Conservatives tend to come at them with facts, yeah,

1021
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 11: and you know, real world concepts, and that's not the

1022
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 11: world that the left lives in the world lives. The

1023
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 11: left lives in this world of this utopian vision of

1024
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 11: theirs in which everything can be deconstructed and reconstructed according

1025
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 11: to the way they believe the world should be. So

1026
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 11: human nature, for example, which conservatives just accept as a

1027
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 11: fact of life.

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01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: That's not a real thing for the left.

1029
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 11: The left believes that there is no such thing as

1030
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 11: human nature, that everything is socially constructed, and therefore you

1031
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 11: can anything that's faulty about human nature, you can break down,

1032
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 11: deconstruct it, get rid of it, and socially engineer a

1033
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 11: more perfect society. And so they live in this impossibly

1034
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 11: unrealistic world that just drives them to constant bitterness and

1035
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 11: frustration and discontent.

1036
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Speaker 2: No question about it. There are so many things in

1037
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: this op ed piece that I absolutely love. But just

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01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 2: bear with me. I want to read another paragraph. It's

1039
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Speaker 2: a relatively short one, talking about Trump derangement syndrome. One

1040
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: such Trump derangement syndrome sufferer tweeted about the Olympics. Quote

1041
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 2: Trump did this. He made it impossible to be proud

1042
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 2: of anything American. It's straight up embarrassing and shameful to

1043
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 2: be an American. Now, f Trump f ice this whole

1044
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 2: corrupt administration, The Bitter Miserable concluded. The Bitter Miserable concluded

1045
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 2: in the less profane in articulate style. And you are

1046
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 2: so so right about that, Martin. I mean, it's always

1047
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 2: got to be tinged with either obscenity or some kind

1048
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 2: of anger. I mean, you've got to give them one thing.

1049
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 2: The Left, they're consistent, consistently wrong.

1050
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, the whole profanity thing. I'm constantly pointing out. Part

1051
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 11: of the reason for that is because they despise bourgeois

1052
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 11: or middle class values and they love profanity.

1053
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: They're constantly spewing it.

1054
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Speaker 11: Because they love to sort of throw that in the

1055
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 11: face of more restrained, conservative minded middle class people.

1056
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Speaker 2: They love to attack that value.

1057
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Speaker 11: And also the other thing is they're just not good

1058
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 11: at articulating their positions because because they can't rationally defend

1059
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 11: those positions, so they're just reduced to spewing f words

1060
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Speaker 11: every chance they get. And it's it's completely ineffective as

1061
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 11: a as a debating tool. But because it's just that's

1062
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 11: the point of it is that it kind of shuts

1063
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Speaker 11: down debate.

1064
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Speaker 2: You're right, and we're getting so crass in this society,

1065
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 2: not just politically but everything. And you know, I mean fifteen,

1066
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five years ago, if you would have seen that,

1067
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Speaker 2: my god, I mean, the FCC probably would have jerked

1068
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Speaker 2: the license of a talk show host that said something

1069
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Speaker 2: like that. But you know, it's acceptable now, let me

1070
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Speaker 2: ask you this, It's probably the hardest question of all.

1071
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 2: Where do you see this headed Mark taps and is

1072
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 2: it ever going to be where they're I don't want

1073
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Speaker 2: to say reconciliation, but maybe at least you're able to

1074
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Speaker 2: have a discussion with someone on the other end of

1075
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Speaker 2: the political spectrum, or do you think it'll get worse? Well,

1076
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Speaker 2: I hate to be I wish I could be more.

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Speaker 9: I'm a little more.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I'm.

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Speaker 11: Personally kind of optimistic in the long run, but in

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Speaker 11: the short run, I'm very pessimistic. I think we're headed. Look,

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Speaker 11: we're we're already in a hot civil war. We're not

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Speaker 11: you know, we're not just at each other's throats or

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Speaker 11: verging on civil war. We're already in a civil war

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Speaker 11: in which one side is waging violence against the other side.

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Speaker 11: So I think it's just going to get worse until

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Speaker 11: the far left, which currently controls the Democrat Party, is

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01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 11: somehow burns itself out, or we just or the right

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01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 11: just successfully confronts it over and over again until it's spent.

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Speaker 11: Because there's no reconciliation. There's currently no reconciliation between right

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01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 11: and left. Were with each other on every single issue.

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01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 11: There's a grand canyon sized gulf between us at the moment.

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01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 11: It just cannot be bridged by dialogue alone. I think

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Speaker 11: the far left has to be destroyed and we have

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Speaker 11: to get back to a country in which.

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Speaker 2: We might be at odds with each.

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Speaker 11: Other, even vehemently so, but that we're not in a

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Speaker 11: civil war and we're not committing violence against each other.

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Speaker 2: That's got to go, no question about it. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to end this interview with again just reading a couple

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Speaker 2: of paragraphs. That's the end of your piece, which again

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Speaker 2: I will tell my listeners it is from Front Page magazine.

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Speaker 2: The left is a basket of miserables. Okay, here's the

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01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 2: end of it. As one conservative ex user commented about

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01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: the about the where do they get okay, about the

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01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 2: purporting cognitive dissonance, and you were talking about that. If

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01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: you can't separate things, you need to work on your

1107
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 2: adulting skills. Sound advice. This is this is the weenie.

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Speaker 2: If you will, Oklahoma Republican Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, and

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01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 2: he's the one that will now be he'll have the

1110
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: job that Christy Noam had with respect to Ice. Senator

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01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 2: Mark Wayne Mullen responded on next to the huff Post piece,

1112
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 2: and as you said, that's where you know you were

1113
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 2: kind of answering that quote. And this is Senator Mullen.

1114
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 2: If you can't be excited about winning gold at the Olympics,

1115
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 2: including in overtime versus Canada, you don't have a pulse.

1116
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 2: Some people will pick victimhood and being miserable over having

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01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 2: an ounce of patriotism. Good luck, And the last thing

1118
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 2: response to that, Randy Fine, a Florida Republican, was a

1119
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 2: little more blunt. Get the hell out of my country, USA, USA, USA.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Mark for right reading that. I'm

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01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 2: tempted to take it home and frame it, and I

1122
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 2: want as many people as I can to read it,

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Speaker 2: because in I don't know, four or five short pages,

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Speaker 2: you nailed it, absolutely nailed it. Thanks Mike.

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Speaker 9: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, anything you want to say before we get out

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01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 2: of here, How people can get ahold of you?

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Speaker 11: Well, a couple of places. One you could go to

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Speaker 11: my substack. It's Mark Tapson dot substack dot com. And

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Speaker 11: also go to front pagemag dot com, which is the

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Speaker 11: flagship website of the David Horwitz Freedom Center, which I

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Speaker 11: write for.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much, and hope we can call

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Speaker 2: on you again.

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Speaker 9: Sounds good. I'd look forward to it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you all right. You know, I can tend

1137
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 2: to maybe exaggerate sometimes I'm not I'm not on this one.

1138
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 2: I read so much of this stuff, but this one

1139
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 2: just nails it, absolutely nails it with respect to the

1140
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 2: Left and how they conduct themselves. And we're never going

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01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 2: to have any kind of dialogue with one, not budging

1142
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 2: an inch because they think they're always right about everything.

1143
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 2: It just ain't gonna work anyway. We need to take

1144
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 2: a break. But when we get back, boy, I'll tell

1145
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 2: you what I used to think. There were two places

1146
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 2: in the world where you had to behave yourself. One

1147
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 2: is church and the other is a courtroom. Not so anymore.

1148
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 2: When we get back, we're going to talk to Judge

1149
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 2: Brad Greenberg about what's going on down the courthouse, not

1150
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 2: just our courthouse, but all around the country. We'll do

1151
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 2: that when we get back. Mike Allen in for Sloaney

1152
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:36,520
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American Idiot?

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Speaker 2: Home of the Reds seven hundred WLW. Mike Allen in

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01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 2: for Sloaney. Well, you know, like I said in the

1156
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,799
Speaker 2: intro coming out of the news or before the news here,

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01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 2: I always think there are two places where you have

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01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 2: to behave yourself. You have to behave yourself. That's church

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01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 2: and the other one is a courtroom. Well you can

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01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,879
Speaker 2: throw church out now with Don Lemon and others invading

1161
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 2: a church, and the court room is having their problems too.

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01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 2: Here to talk about it is Judge Brad Greenberg of

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01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 2: the Hamilton County Municipal Court. He served in UNI court

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01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 2: since two thousand and six. He also presides over the

1165
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,799
Speaker 2: Hamilton County Veterans Court, which is a great great court.

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01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 2: He represents Judicial District five, and I think people should

1167
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 2: know the districts and which judges you can vote for.

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Speaker 2: District five include Sycamore Township, Simms Township, Loveland, Blue Ash, Montgomery, Sharonville, Madera,

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01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 2: Indian Hill, Reading, Deer Park, Springdale, Glendale, Evendale and Terrace Park.

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Speaker 2: Here to talk about a great piece that he authored

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Speaker 2: just I don't know about a week or so ago,

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Speaker 2: a little bit more than that. It's entitled there must

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01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 2: be zero tolerance for violence in our courts, And he's

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01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 2: so right judge, thank you so much for joining us

1175
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: this morning.

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Speaker 12: Hi Mike, thanks for having me on and it's great

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01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 12: to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Judge, Tell me what prompted you to write

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01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 2: the op ed that you did. I know there was

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01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 2: an incident a few weeks before that where people really

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01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: got out of hand at the courthouse, but before anything.

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01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with you one hundred percent, but

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01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: what prompted you to write it?

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01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 9: So you're right.

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01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 12: On February twenty fourth, there was a big crowd in

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01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:38,879
Speaker 12: Judge Robert Winkler's courtroom as a defendant was pleading guilty

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01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 12: in a murder case and he was being sentenced to prison.

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01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 12: And as the defendant was being escorted out of the courtroom,

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Speaker 12: a member of the victim's family actually attempted to attack

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01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 12: him in the hallway. And at that point it was

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 12: on and we had a full fledged melee at the courthouse.

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01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 12: And I'm sorry to go eighteen deputies.

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01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 2: They responded, WHOA wow, it's a heck of a lot

1194
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 2: of deputies that maybe not that bad, but this is

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01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 2: becoming something that is a problem. Now. I started going

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01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 2: in courtrooms a million years ago, and man, you've never

1197
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 2: saw anything like that. But across the country, it sure

1198
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 2: seems like we're seeing more of it. Why do you

1199
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 2: think that is?

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Speaker 12: You know, it's like all things across our society, just

1201
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 12: behavior has been getting worse. You see it on airplanes,

1202
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 12: you see it in churches, and unfortunately, you see it

1203
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:37,560
Speaker 12: in the courthouse.

1204
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 9: You do.

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01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 2: And I did a little research for this, and according

1206
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 2: to AI, surge in judicial threats. There is a surge

1207
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 2: in this, and it is it's getting to be a

1208
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 2: situation where more and more judges in every court are

1209
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 2: going through this. I mean, does the Sheriff's office, I'm

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01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 2: sure they do, but does anybody keep tabs on how

1211
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 2: many we have of these? In Hamilton County?

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01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 12: The sheriff McGuffey is keeping tabs on it. We've met

1213
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 12: with her, had discussions about it. And you're right, the threats,

1214
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 12: the emails, they've increased over the years.

1215
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, I don't know, It's just something

1216
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 2: that I had hoped i'd never see again, but it's

1217
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 2: something that happens all the time. UNI court's a little

1218
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 2: bit different. I used to call it, respectfully, the McDonald's

1219
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 2: of the justice system, because you got to crank it

1220
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 2: pretty fast, but you got to do it right. So

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01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,759
Speaker 2: it tends to attract a lot more people. If someone

1222
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: judge acts up in your courtroom, is it an automatic

1223
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 2: contempt citation from you or do you think about it?

1224
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 2: Because I know from my three years on Unie court

1225
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 2: sometimes that's kind of a hard decision to make.

1226
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 12: Can be a hard decision, but I think the duty

1227
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 12: is on the judge to order right. The sheriff's do

1228
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 12: a great job, but the judge plays a role too.

1229
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 6: And if someone is really acting up and creating a

1230
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 6: danger in the courtroom, in my courtroom, at least, I

1231
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 6: would normally hold them in contempt of court and they

1232
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 6: would face a jail sentence if it's a first offense,

1233
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:21,759
Speaker 6: up to thirty days in jail.

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01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 2: Hey, tell us what contempt. The penalty for contempt is.

1235
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 2: I know it's somewhat fluid, I guess, but let's just

1236
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 2: say somebody acts up in your courtroom and you think

1237
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 2: it's inappropriate and want to do something about it. What

1238
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 2: is the penalty for criminal contempt?

1239
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 12: So for a first offense, the maximum is thirty days

1240
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 12: in jail in a two hundred and fifty dollars fine,

1241
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 12: and then for a second offense up to sixty days

1242
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 12: in jail or five hundred dollars fine, and then for

1243
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 12: a third offense in any subsequent offense, ninety days in

1244
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 12: jail in one thousand dollars fine. But it is rare

1245
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 12: that contempt a coret sentences are imposed, but it is

1246
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:04,799
Speaker 12: a possibility.

1247
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 2: And it's getting more frequent. I'm afraid you know. I

1248
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 2: did a little research for this year, honor, and found

1249
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 2: a from June twenty seventh, twenty twenty four, an article

1250
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 2: from judges dot org. Over half of judges report threats

1251
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 2: environment affecting mental health. And the whole purpose of this

1252
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 2: this piece is that this is something that's putting a

1253
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 2: strain on judges. Just let me quoted one. This is

1254
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 2: one random judge quote. Society continues to be less civil

1255
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: in the norms of respecting authority, or figures that represent

1256
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 2: authority are being eroded close quote. I think that's something

1257
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 2: that pretty good, don't you.

1258
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 12: I agree it does, and you know we I understand

1259
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,799
Speaker 12: emotions can run high in the courthouse. It is important

1260
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 12: that decisions are being made that affect people's lives. But

1261
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,520
Speaker 12: there's no excuse to act a fool in the courthouse.

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01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 12: And you know if you do, you should be expect

1263
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,520
Speaker 12: to face some consequences.

1264
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 2: Do you, And I don't want you to get in

1265
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 2: any trouble with your fellow judges, But do you believe

1266
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 2: that some judges just let it go and don't do

1267
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 2: anything about it, which of course is their call to make.

1268
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, I do.

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01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 12: We have a lot of new judges in the in

1270
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 12: the courthouse over the last several years, and you have to.

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01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 12: As I said, it's the main responsibility is on the

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01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 12: sheriffs to keep the peace, but the judges have a

1273
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 12: duty too, and we have to to back the sheriffs

1274
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 12: h and help maintain order in the courthouse. And judges

1275
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 12: should be imposing contempt to court inappropriate circumstances. And also

1276
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 12: the offender should also be prosecuted to the fullest extent

1277
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 12: of the law if they commit a crime while they're

1278
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 12: in the courthouse.

1279
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 2: Yah, you just you have to. I mean, in some

1280
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 2: murder cases up in common and please that I've been

1281
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 2: involved in and others that I just heard about, it's

1282
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 2: really a problem up there because of a judge you know,

1283
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 2: gives you a healthy sentence, you know, twenty to life

1284
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 2: or whatever. It's going to rile some people up and

1285
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 2: just the thought of well, I'm not going to take

1286
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 2: this out in the hallway and talk to my family

1287
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 2: member friend, I'm going to just open my mouth and

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01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 2: start running my mouth right here. And we did have

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Speaker 2: a former sitting judge do that. I was there to

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01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 2: see that, and I'm talking about Tracy Hunter. That was

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01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 2: just appalling for the public to have to see that.

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Speaker 12: It is you know, we have jurors that come to

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01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 12: the courthouse, we have victims that come to the courthouse,

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01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 12: and everyone should feel safe when they come to the

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01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 12: courthouse and not to not have to see or be

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01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 12: a witness to crime or foolishness or misbehavior. And the

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01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 12: judges need to step up and maintain order themselves.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. I mean, this is something

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01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 2: from the research I've done, this is something that is

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01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 2: going up. Also, the actual threats to judges. Obviously a

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01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 2: judge has to take those seriously, but it seems to

1302
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 2: be there's an increase in that. Have you ever had

1303
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 2: that situation judge that you want to talk about or

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01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 2: do you think that's something that's increasing too.

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01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 12: It is increasing. I think it's judges are much more

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01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 12: accessible because of the Internet, so it's very easy to

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01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 12: find a judge's email or even a judge's home address.

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01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 12: So it's pretty common now for judges to receive threatening

1309
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:53,480
Speaker 12: emails or harassing emails, and it's just part of the job, unfortunately,

1310
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 12: is having to deal with that, and judges need to

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01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 12: be able to protect themselves.

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01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 2: There's no question about it, and I think be vigilant too, Judge.

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01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you know the mental state of some of

1314
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 2: the people that come before you as a judge, and

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01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,480
Speaker 2: that's not a knock on people that are having problems,

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01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 2: but I don't know that from the judges I've talked to,

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01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 2: it just seems like it's increasing. Judge, Do you have

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01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 2: anything else to say on this subject. I'm going to

1319
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 2: turn it over to you at this point because I've

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01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 2: asked the questions I wanted to ask.

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01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:26,719
Speaker 9: Well.

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01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 12: I appreciate the opportunity to talk about this because, as

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01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 12: you said at the beginning, you know, church and court

1324
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 12: are the two places where you're expected to behave and

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01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 12: it's unfortunate that things have been trending in the wrong

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01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 12: direction the last thirty years. I've been in the courtroom

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01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 12: for thirty years. The last pointy is a judge, and

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01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 12: things have been going in the wrong direction. But you

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01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 12: know it's up to the judges to maintain order. And

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01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 12: if you, you know, come into my core room and

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01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 12: you are planning on causing trouble, you better bring a toothbrush.

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Speaker 2: I like that. I like that. I lied one more question.

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01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 2: Are you seeing I don't know, say, over the last

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01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 2: ten years or so, a decrease in the number of

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01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 2: cases in municipal court.

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Speaker 12: We have seen a decrease and that's probably some of

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01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 12: that is a good thing. We get less d UI's

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01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 12: in court, and I think that's a function of uber

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01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 12: and left and just general education about the dangers of

1340
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 12: drinking and driving. So I think it's a good thing

1341
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,759
Speaker 12: when there's when there's less less.

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01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 2: Cases, no question about it. And with respect to DUIs

1343
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 2: my twenty years of a criminal defense practice, in the

1344
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 2: last ten years or so, they have really dwindled because

1345
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 2: I think these young people are smart enough to you know,

1346
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 2: call an uber or find another the way home. Besides that,

1347
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 2: and again, uh, if you lose, if you lose clients

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01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 2: that way, it's a good thing. Judge. I really appreciate it.

1349
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you coming on. You have an open

1350
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 2: invitation to come here and talk to me and my

1351
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 2: listeners anytime something comes up.

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01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 12: Thank you, Mike, thanks for having me on my pleasure.

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01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 2: Thank you, Judge by by all right, Judge Brad Greenberg,

1354
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 2: And I gotta tell you I didn't want to embarrass him.

1355
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,679
Speaker 2: He's definitely one of the good ones. I appeared before

1356
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 2: him a number of times as a criminal defense attorney.

1357
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 2: And you know, he's not a guy that talks a lot,

1358
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 2: and judges the less they talk, the less they get

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01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 2: themselves in trouble. But fair, Uh, you know, the old thing,

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01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 2: fair and firm. And I just can't say enough about

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01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 2: Judge Brad Greenberg. And I know he's up for election

1362
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 2: coming up soon.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't the reason I had him on, because it

1365
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 2: is a very good topic. But anyway, bottom line, I

1366
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 2: take a heck of a lot of the Honorable Brad

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01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: Greenberg of the Hamilt County Municipal Court. Hey, we got

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01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 2: to take a break, but we'll be back. Mike Allen

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01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 2: in for Sloaney seven hundred WLW. Hey we're back, Mike

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01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 2: Allen in for Sloaney, seven hundred WLW. I'll tell you

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01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 2: what Judge Greenberg was great, and I just I can't

1372
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 2: say how much that I admire him for the job

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01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 2: that he does. And unfortunately, I think you're going to

1374
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 2: see those things, the incidents in the courtroom continuing, and again,

1375
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 2: as the thing that I've read from my research, it's

1376
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 2: a function I think of the society becoming more violent,

1377
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 2: more crass. I mean, if you can't stand before a judge,

1378
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 2: I don't care if it's for a parking ticket or

1379
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 2: a homicide case. You just behave yourself, you know. I mean,

1380
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 2: it's not that much too much to ask. And I

1381
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 2: was glad to hear him say that. The response to

1382
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 2: what happened, the one we've talking about a few weeks

1383
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 2: before that, eighteen deputies responded to it so and I

1384
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 2: can't say enough about them too. I mean, the deputies

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01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 2: that are in the courtroom every day, they've got a

1386
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 2: tough job, and people are screened as they come in,

1387
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 2: but I mean, you never know when something is going

1388
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 2: to get through, and judges need to know, lawyers need

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01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,560
Speaker 2: to know, Litigants need to know that they are being protected,

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01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to jury trials. I mean, you

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01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 2: think it's hard getting jurors now if this thing continues,

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01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 2: it's going to be even more difficult to get them.

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01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 2: They just don't want to serve, They don't want to

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01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 2: go down there. And then they read things like was

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01:22:56,120 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 2: in the paper a couple of weeks ago from Cameron Knight.

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01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,799
Speaker 2: Families fighting at the Hamilt County Courthouse on February twenty

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01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 2: fourth drew a large police response and resulted in multiple charges.

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01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 2: Good Two groups of people at the courthouse for a

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01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 2: hearing had a confrontation inside, prompting police and SHARE's deputies

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01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 2: to respond to help courthouse staff. And you know, that's

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01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 2: what happens, and it's usually families. You got one family,

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01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 2: then you got another family. You know, I guess, kind

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01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,759
Speaker 2: of like a Hatfield McCoy's deal. And if it doesn't

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01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 2: go to one the way one of the families wants, well,

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01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 2: then you know, let's act up in the courthouse. And

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01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 2: you know, as the judge said, you have to come

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01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,679
Speaker 2: down hard on people like that. You have to. When

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01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 2: I was a judge, I mean, it's gosh, I guess, oh,

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01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 2: from probably eighty nine, no, yeah, eighty nine to I

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01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 2: guess ninety three or something like that. I don't remember

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01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 2: ever seeing one of those things. Happen in my courtroom.

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01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 2: Maybe it did and I forgot about it, but you

1413
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 2: just didn't see it then. And especially in Room Ay,

1414
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 2: that's the big room where they do all the arraignments,

1415
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 2: where you could have two three hundred cases on the

1416
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 2: docket in one morning. That's where people tended to act up.

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01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 2: But again, you just got to come down hard on

1418
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 2: them and make sure you make an example of them.

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01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 2: And I think judges are starting to get that. You know,

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01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 2: the one thing I got into with the judge a

1421
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 2: little bit, but are threats to judges online, threats, letters

1422
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 2: to their home and that type of thing. That is

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01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 2: something that is extremely serious, and I think law enforcement

1424
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 2: realizes that, hey, we got to take a break, but

1425
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 2: when we get back, we're going to talk to Christopher Smithman.

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01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 2: Haven't talked to him in a while and want to

1427
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 2: kind of catch up with him. I want to ask

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01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 2: him too about the goings on in city council. A

1429
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 2: lot of things happening with The one thing that that

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01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 2: Steve Gooden kind of tipped me off on is the

1431
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 2: proposed five percent cut. I'll tell you what I know

1432
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:13,799
Speaker 2: this from personal things that happened to me in nineteen

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01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 2: seventy six. The first thing they go after is the

1434
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 2: police budget, so I certainly hope there's not going to

1435
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 2: be layoffs. But anyway, we'll talk to Christopher about that

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01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 2: and other things. Mike Allen seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're back.

1437
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 2: Mike Allen in for Scott Sloan. We haven't checked in

1438
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 2: with our friend Christopher Smithman in a while and wanted

1439
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 2: to see how he's doing. I need to get his

1440
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 2: opinion on some things. Christopher, thanks so much for calling

1441
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 2: in this morning.

1442
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 7: Mike, Thank you so much for having me on.

1443
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 2: My Pleasure, My pleasure. Hey, I gotta ask you, and

1444
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 2: I know this isn't obviously a local topic, but I'm

1445
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 2: really interested and I'm sure my list are too. Your

1446
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 2: thoughts on the war that broke out, and I know

1447
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 2: everybody is praying for, you know, the people involved in it,

1448
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 2: but your.

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01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 7: Thoughts, well, my heart first goes out to the seven

1450
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 7: Americans that lost their life in Kuwait, and that's a

1451
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 7: part of war, and we don't we don't often see

1452
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 7: American soldiers, servicemen, men and women coming home. So my

1453
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 7: heart like yours, and I know that a lot of

1454
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 7: those a lot of those servicemen and women came from Iowa,

1455
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 7: not all of them, they certainly are bearing a burden here,

1456
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 7: so my heart goes out to their families. My other

1457
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 7: connection is I have a son that's that has served

1458
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 7: and is in the Guard himself now, and my father served.

1459
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 7: I have a brother.

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01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 6: Who has served.

1461
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 7: I have not served, But I think this is that

1462
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 7: moment where all of us as a country have to

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01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 7: wrap our arms around being an American and support the

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01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 7: White House and support our country in this moment. You know,

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01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 7: I've been watching the senators and the congressional members who

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01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 7: seem to continue to second guess what is happening. Let

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01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 7: me just remind everyone that this has been going on

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01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:22,520
Speaker 7: for forty seven years through many different presidents, Democrats and Republicans,

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01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 7: and this is a country that whatever the account is

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01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 7: of the number of civilians that they killed who were

1471
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 7: protesting ten thousand to thirty six thousand, we really don't

1472
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 7: know what the number is, but we know that it's

1473
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 7: tens of thousands of people who are slaughtered in the streets.

1474
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 7: So there's a humanitarian issue going on. We know that

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01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 7: this is a country that has been sponsoring terrorism all

1476
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 7: around the world, but specifically targeting Americans and specifically American

1477
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 7: servicemen and women. And this is a country that said

1478
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 7: that they wanted a nuclear weapon and wanted long term

1479
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 7: missiles in order to reach the United States and anybody

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01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 7: who stood against them, including Israel. My point in saying

1481
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:11,440
Speaker 7: all of that is that we have to, as Americans,

1482
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 7: in my opinion, carry the flag today. You know, respect

1483
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 7: those who are losing their life and who are on

1484
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 7: the front lines and have the potential of loss of

1485
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:26,560
Speaker 7: life our military, and support the president in this decision

1486
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 7: to go in and decide that he and and those

1487
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:34,600
Speaker 7: in the CIA, those generals that are around him, that

1488
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 7: this was the moment that we needed to take. And

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01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 7: I don't like second guessing our country. These are tough

1490
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,719
Speaker 7: decisions with a lot of movie parts that I don't

1491
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 7: have enough information. That's why we elect people and put

1492
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 7: them in positions like Alan to make these decisions for us.

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01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,640
Speaker 7: But what I will tell you is I'm all American.

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01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 7: I'm on the American team. I'm not on the team

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01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 7: of Iran. I'm on the team of this country. And

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01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 7: I want to see us win. I want to see

1497
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 7: us to get out as like everybody probably listening I

1498
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 7: want us to get out as quickly as we possibly can,

1499
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Speaker 7: but I want us to spend the time that we

1500
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 7: need to be there so that we don't have to

1501
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:11,440
Speaker 7: come back and do this again.

1502
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 2: No question about it. I've got a daughter. She's a captain.

1503
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, well should get mad. She's promoted to major

1504
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 2: in the Jag Corps. She's stationed in the Wow.

1505
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 7: Look, don't don't mess up her rank.

1506
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 2: That she's she's in the jag corts. And and the

1507
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 2: thought would be initially, well, you know, lawyer, they're not

1508
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 2: going to do anything. I'm gonna tell you something. The

1509
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 2: Army now takes their jag officers with them when they

1510
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 2: go out in the field for the real deal. So

1511
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 2: you know, she's obviously in my in my thoughts and

1512
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 2: of course in my prayers.

1513
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 7: But really, let me thank her for her service, Mike

1514
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 7: Allen publicly for everyone, because anybody that is serving, because

1515
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 7: when we're talking about incident of drones attacks, which is

1516
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:05,599
Speaker 7: what happened on Kuwai Base, anybody is at risk. So

1517
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:08,879
Speaker 7: we thank your daughter for her service to our country.

1518
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 2: Thank you. Hey, I wanted to talk to you too.

1519
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 2: I had Steve Gooden on earlier we talked about some

1520
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 2: legal things. But of course Steve a former Cincinnati City

1521
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 2: Council member and chair of the Revitalized Charter Committee, so

1522
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:25,719
Speaker 2: he knows what's going on down there. He's talking about

1523
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 2: a five police cut, well, a five percent I think

1524
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 2: across the board cut. And I know you're not down

1525
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 2: there anymore, former Vice mayor and chair of the Law

1526
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 2: and Public Safety Committee. But your thoughts on that, Christopher, Well, you.

1527
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 7: Know, the first responsibility of the mayor and members of

1528
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 7: council is the public safety. And we've seen a big

1529
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 7: spike in violence even over the last ten days, the

1530
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 7: mass shooting that we had of nine people approximately, I

1531
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 7: think eleven people shot in the last seven days. Three

1532
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:05,839
Speaker 7: did and so this is not the time for counsel

1533
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 7: or for the mayor to say we need to reduce

1534
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 7: funding in public safety. It's the exact opposite. And because

1535
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 7: we're having issues with retention, meaning our ability to recruit

1536
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 7: is one issue, but our ability to keep those seasoned

1537
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 7: officers right now who are in drop and a lot

1538
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 7: of people don't even know what drop is, but we've

1539
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 7: got officers that are two years and three years in

1540
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 7: the drop. They can walk away right now. Today if

1541
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 7: they want to. And so what we're seeing is we're

1542
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 7: losing more officers than we are bringing in our recruit classes,

1543
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 7: and we're having a difficult time doing recruitment. And it

1544
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:46,440
Speaker 7: doesn't help when you have a mayor and a council

1545
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 7: and an administration that in the most subtle ways and

1546
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 7: sometimes the most obvious ways, Mike Allen, they send the

1547
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 7: message that they don't support our police officers. And so

1548
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 7: families out there like mine. You know, if I had

1549
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 7: a child, of course I won in the military that

1550
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 7: said hey, I want to serve, I want to be

1551
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 7: a SINSI police officer, I certainly would support it. But

1552
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 7: I would absolutely say, listen, you've got to know what

1553
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 7: you're getting into. Oh yeah, because you know what you're

1554
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 7: making that split second decision right the entire your entire

1555
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 7: family could be on the line here the way people

1556
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 7: go at you when you're making those decisions. So I

1557
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 7: think this is going to be a very dangerous summer

1558
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 7: based on what we're seeing happening coming out of the

1559
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 7: winter already, the violence, and I think it's the wrong

1560
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 7: message and the wrong time for this councilor mayor to

1561
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 7: talk about cutting five percent of police or fire.

1562
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, if that happens, and I can

1563
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 2: attest to this from personal knowledge about one hundred years ago,

1564
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 2: if it's across the board five percent cut, cops are

1565
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 2: going to get and firefighters too are going to get

1566
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 2: laid off, and just the opposite is needed in this city.

1567
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 7: No, it absolutely is. And what you'll see in the

1568
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 7: summer is, you know, it's almost like schizophrenia because then

1569
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 7: you'll see them increasing overtime and demanding that we've got

1570
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:09,879
Speaker 7: to put a million dollars in overtime.

1571
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 9: But you're you've.

1572
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 7: Already released so many police officers, so there's no one

1573
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:17,719
Speaker 7: there to actually get the overtime. This is a big decision.

1574
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 7: And let me let me clarify to the public.

1575
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:21,559
Speaker 12: You know, when you hear.

1576
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 7: Someone say, well, don't do the five percent cut, and

1577
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 7: Mayor John Crolly and I would go through this all

1578
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 7: the time. Where do I think we should do some

1579
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 7: reducing Where were some of those reductions happened in order

1580
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 7: to save money. Well, one is operating the streetcar. This

1581
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 7: was a topic of discussion over a decade ago, and

1582
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 7: the discussion was around two points. One was how do

1583
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 7: we build it so we issued ninety four plus million

1584
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 7: dollars of debt, which we charged them our credit cards

1585
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 7: to the max in order to do that. And then

1586
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 7: the operation Mike Allen of the streetcar, which is now

1587
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 7: north of five million dollars per year. And so that

1588
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 7: is a that is arecked competition to the operating budget

1589
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 7: operating the streetcar. And so if this council and mayor

1590
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 7: are really serious about making changes, they would say, listen,

1591
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 7: our pet project down here. We're spending five million dollars

1592
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 7: a year. Is operating the streetcar more important than police

1593
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 7: and fire? I would say, if you went out and

1594
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,719
Speaker 7: talked to our fifty two neighborhoods, they would say, let's

1595
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 7: make sure that our safety is first. Let's cut the

1596
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 7: operation of the streetcar, if we even have to bring

1597
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:32,719
Speaker 7: it down to zero operation, but let's reduce the hours

1598
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,960
Speaker 7: so we at least show the public that before we

1599
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:39,480
Speaker 7: raise their taxes, we're willing to make some serious decisions.

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01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 7: We also know that contract to Irish ROLLI another six

1601
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 7: hundred and fifty thousand dollars going out of the door, right,

1602
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 7: but with very little oversight or understanding of what our ROI.

1603
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 7: So I'm saying you can get your arms almost around

1604
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 7: six million dollars just in those two decisions. So it's

1605
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 7: difficult to say we need to cut five percent. We

1606
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 7: need what the City Hall and City Council, what they

1607
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 7: really need to do is make some tough decisions.

1608
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 2: Mike allup, no question about it.

1609
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 10: You know.

1610
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 2: I'm just sitting here thinking with respect to the streetcar,

1611
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 2: I just wonder if there's a way that the city

1612
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 2: could privatize that. I mean, not only to you know,

1613
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 2: not have to spend all that money on it, but

1614
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 2: also maybe recoup some money. Has that ever been talked

1615
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,600
Speaker 2: about or in your opinion, is that something that's feasible.

1616
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:28,879
Speaker 7: I'm smiling and I'm saying I don't think it's feasible,

1617
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 7: but let me can I'm trying to make you laugh

1618
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 7: when I say, let's the two of us pull our

1619
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 7: money together. Do you think that we would pick a

1620
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 7: street car? Because no, I don't know, man. I think

1621
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 7: it's a losing proposition. I don't think there's too many

1622
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:44,679
Speaker 7: people out there that would say, hey, man, I'm stepping

1623
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 7: up to buy the street car, privatize it, and we

1624
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:49,640
Speaker 7: think we're actually going to get our money back. I

1625
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 7: think it's I think it's a money pick.

1626
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 2: That's a good point, and you are one of the

1627
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 2: premier financial advisors in this city. I'll take I'll take

1628
01:35:58,240 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 2: it at that, Christopher.

1629
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,679
Speaker 7: All I'll say, Mike is that that that city council

1630
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 7: has to look at our budget. I understand as a

1631
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 7: thirty one or thirty two million dollar deficit. So we

1632
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 7: understand that, but what we don't want to do is

1633
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 7: impact the basic services that the public we really depend on,

1634
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:23,680
Speaker 7: and that sanitation, that's our fire department, that's our police department,

1635
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 7: and all of us know that these contracts are up

1636
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 7: for renegotiations. So what happens also, Mike calend is the

1637
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 7: city starts posturing that they're poor for two reasons. One,

1638
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 7: they have a desire to raise taxes. So part of

1639
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 7: this is to scare us into a position if we

1640
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 7: put something on the ballot it says that we need

1641
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 7: to raise taxes, we need you, the public a support,

1642
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 7: or we're going to cut your police and fire. So

1643
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 7: some of this is grand standing from the mayor of council.

1644
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 7: The second and the second thing is that they know

1645
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 7: that the police, the union and fire and our ass

1646
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 7: from union and our code unions they're all moving into

1647
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 7: the position of starting to negotiate their contract. So what

1648
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,800
Speaker 7: also happens is the city starts posturing I'm poor, I'm broke,

1649
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 7: I don't have any money, and you're going to see

1650
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 7: those those people who are arbitrating. This discussion sable. But

1651
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 7: you're spending say one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for

1652
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 7: this outside contractor we don't know you're operating the streetcar

1653
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:25,719
Speaker 7: at five million dollars. You say you want reparation here

1654
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:28,360
Speaker 7: for housing, and you're moving five million dollars over that.

1655
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 7: How are you saying that you're broke but you continue

1656
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 7: to spend all of this money out here. You've got

1657
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,719
Speaker 7: a mural outside of your city hall that says, hey,

1658
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 7: black lives matter. Maybe you're going to spend a million

1659
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 7: dollars to bring that back to Like, my point is

1660
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 7: that when we get into those negotiations, the city always

1661
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 7: positions themselves as if they're broke, and you and I

1662
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 7: know that they're not. There are pet projects that they

1663
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 7: have to say we can't do in order for us

1664
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 7: to focus on the things that the fifty two neighborhoods

1665
01:37:57,880 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 7: in Cincinnati say they believe in.

1666
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 2: Right now I get that. Let me ask you this,

1667
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:05,639
Speaker 2: and this is I'm just out of curiosity. The railroad money,

1668
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 2: I know that has to be used for capital, and

1669
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,680
Speaker 2: obviously police and fire aren't capital. But is there a

1670
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:16,200
Speaker 2: way that the city could perhaps move some money around? Uh,

1671
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 2: you know, you see what I'm saying, to get some

1672
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 2: capital funds, but also you know you would be able

1673
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 2: to free some up for police and fire. Does that

1674
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 2: make any sense?

1675
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 7: No, they can't. They can't do it. Those capital dollars

1676
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 7: from the railroad I think there were thirty four million

1677
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 7: we were getting a year. I was absolutely against sale

1678
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 7: of our railroad for one point six billion dollars. But

1679
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,599
Speaker 7: it's it's it's water under the bridge. Now they've done it.

1680
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:46,839
Speaker 7: But those dollars are for for for capital on projects.

1681
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 7: They can't pull that money in for operating. So that's

1682
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 7: just a hard no. Those those are two zebra pots,

1683
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 7: and those are restricted dollars for our for our capital.

1684
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 7: The problem that you and I are seeing is our

1685
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 7: roads are horrible. Driving down the streets, Mike Allen and

1686
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 7: I feel like officer is going to pull me over

1687
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 7: for a DUI because I'm dodging potholes. I don't want

1688
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:12,559
Speaker 7: to blow my tires out. And I know if I

1689
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 7: blow my tire out that the city is not going

1690
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:18,160
Speaker 7: to repair my tire. So I'm saying our roads in

1691
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 7: the city of Cincinnati. There are two things that if

1692
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 7: any member of council listening to me and they care

1693
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:25,599
Speaker 7: what I think about are are this? Are are our

1694
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 7: current mayor. One is our potholes in our streets need

1695
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 7: a lot of attention, yep, and that would be very helpful.

1696
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 7: And number two, our city is dirty. We need to

1697
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:39,040
Speaker 7: clean up Cincinnati. I travel other places and I go

1698
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 7: why is our city? I'm talking about our highways, our

1699
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 7: our individual cut throughs, our roads in the city, say

1700
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 7: to say, why are we living in such a dirty

1701
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:54,440
Speaker 7: city and a city where our infrastructure.

1702
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 9: Seems to be falling apart.

1703
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 7: So my point is that those railroad dollars, there's a

1704
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 7: big use for them. We need to get them out

1705
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:02,479
Speaker 7: the door, to be of those dollars out of the door,

1706
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 7: and we need to get our roads repaired. I am

1707
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:07,520
Speaker 7: tired of dodging potholes.

1708
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:09,760
Speaker 2: Mike Allah, Yeah, you're right. And the one that they

1709
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 2: did finally do after so much complaining was Sunset Avenue.

1710
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Speaker 2: But that's about the That's about the only one I

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01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 2: could see. Anyway, Christopher, really appreciate catching up with you,

1712
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 2: and we'll definitely do it again soon.

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01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 7: Well, Mike, people can follow me on the X. I

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01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 7: say this because I want people to connect with me

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01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 7: and I want to connect with them at vote Smitherman.

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01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:34,600
Speaker 7: Thanks Mike, Alla follow me on.

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01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:37,559
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, my friend. All right, thank you brother,

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01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you. Take care too. Always good to

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01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:43,640
Speaker 2: catch up with Christopher. I'll tell you what. I just

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01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:47,759
Speaker 2: wish that man was mayor, or at least on city council.

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01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 2: But hey, my grandmother, my old Irish grandmother, had a

1722
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:57,160
Speaker 2: saying that went wish in one hand, I'm not going

1723
01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 2: to say in the other and see what which one

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01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 2: fills up first. So anyway, we are out of here.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank my producer Dave Keaton uh and

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01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 2: thank Scott for letting me feel in for him. Mike

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Speaker 2: Allen seven hundred WLW