1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: A twenty nine on a Thursday of Love. This time 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: a week I heard media aviation extpert Jay Ratliff joins 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: us every week to talk aviation issues when we're not 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: talking stocks. Right, Jay, welcome back, my friend. Love having 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: you on the show. 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: I will talk about either one of them my friends, 7 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 2: but it's it's always good, always good to be here. 8 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: Jay always follows up the segment sometime in the morning, 9 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: like an hour from now. He's say, look, I'm made 10 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: eight grand today. It took me five minutes. 11 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: You actually I'm using I'm using a stock as we speak, 12 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: so they can do anything with it. For the end 13 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 2: of the segment, I'll let you know. 14 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 3: It only takes you a couple of minutes to turn 15 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 3: it around. I like to report you get that's Brian. 16 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: When I tell people that I I reduce the risk 17 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: of my stock trading by day trading, they look at 18 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: me like I'm nuts. But if you can take a 19 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: small bit of it, put it in the market for 20 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: you know, eight ten minutes at a time, you're reducing 21 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: your risk big time, and that's better protecting your portfolio. 22 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: So to me, that's the way to do it. I'm 23 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: not a part of the long term by holding prey 24 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: crowd and now the last six weeks, I think I'm 25 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: averaging seven thousand dollars a week. So look, Northwest Airlines 26 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: didn't pay me that. I mean it was worth it. 27 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: But I know, I know, I know how corporate America is, right, 28 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: I do care what we think. 29 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 3: You don't care. 30 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: And Southwest Airlines, I guess, is not going to be 31 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: cunning an eleven million dollar check. What's the story on this? 32 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: I know, I know you're really pleased about this outcome. 33 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: So you had and you just had to start with 34 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: this one, right, Let's get Jay's blood pressure up. The 35 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: Southwest Airlines two Christmases ago, it was the week of 36 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three Christmas week, they had a computer meltdown. 37 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: I mean, no other way to put it. The computer 38 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: system that we later found out was last updated in 39 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: like I don't know, nineteen ninety four, had crashed. This 40 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: is a computer system for scheduling that was developed, right, 41 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: I think at a time when Southwest was a third 42 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: of the size of what they are now. So the 43 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: Department Transportation under the Biden administration stepped in and said 44 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: time out here, you really drop the ball with regards 45 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: to your customers, we're finding you thirty five million dollars. 46 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 2: They were holding the airlines accountable. I was thrilled. And look, 47 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: Southwest is a great airline, but when you don't devote 48 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 2: the resources that your employees need, yeah, you've got to 49 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 2: pay for it. So Southwest has paid twenty four million 50 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: of that. The next payment of eleven million was due 51 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 2: in the next month in January, and the US Department 52 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: Transportation stepped in said, you know what, You've already paid enough. 53 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: You don't need to pay any more. You promise never 54 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: to do it again. It's going to be okay. Just 55 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 2: forget about that last of eleven million dollars. Now, Yeah, 56 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: that bothers me a great deal. But this is the 57 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: trend of the Trump administration, which I'm a big fan of, 58 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: with regards to the treatment with the airline industry. The 59 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: airlines almost get a free pass. Not from a safety 60 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: related standpoint, Don't get me wrong there, because the FAA 61 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: is still doing their job there, trying to keep everything 62 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: safe as they can. But Brian, it just it drives 63 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: me out of my mind when we've got a situation 64 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: when you have just time after time after time of 65 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: having a situation where you've got this ongoing issue of 66 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 2: airlines getting away with what they do. It just it 67 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: drives me crazy. 68 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine. 69 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: So this was a proprietary software that Southwest itself developed, yes, okay, 70 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: part of their system. 71 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 2: And I can't remember if it was the flight control system, 72 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 2: not flight control system, but if it was a crew 73 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: management system or something they were using for their flight 74 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: control as far as the using that, but it was 75 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: a system that was woefully outdated and over the years 76 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: Southwest has had issues with this. But Brian, they have 77 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: an all star team at Southwest and every single time 78 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: the men and women would find a way to pull 79 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: it out. They would rise to the occasion and save 80 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: the day. And sadly that's what worked against Southwest Airlines 81 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: because they could always rely on that happening. Well, it 82 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: just got to the point where it was just too much, 83 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: too quick, and there was no way they could get 84 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: past it. And yeah, you had a lot of passengers 85 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: that were in essence put in a situation over the 86 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: busy Christmas seat travel season, all the flights were filled 87 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: where you gonna put them. I mean, you've got a 88 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: flight of one hundred and fifty three people just canceled. 89 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: Every single flight around is full. I don't know where 90 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: you're gonna put them. 91 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: I understand the reason for the fine, and that becomes 92 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: crystal clear, Unlike, for example, if it was the outdated 93 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: ancient air traffic control system. So when's the federal government 94 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: can of find itself for not improving that one? 95 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: Oh, they'll find it and then they'll wave the fine 96 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: and we'll all feel better because they find themselves. That's 97 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: how it works. 98 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 3: I learned that from you, brother, amen. 99 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: And meanwhile they're they're busily scrambling around looking for five 100 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: and a quarter it's floppy disk to keep the thing 101 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: up and running. 102 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: Seven forty seven. Still, yeah, still are at a at 103 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: a point where they do get their updates through that. 104 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: So yes, indeed, I'll tell you what. Rather than go 105 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: extra long and draw the hairy eyeball from Executiveroducer, Joe 106 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: Strecker will pause right now, we'll bring you back. We'll 107 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: find out about this quantus flight, which is u given 108 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: faulty load and balanced numbers before takeoff. That sounds frightening. 109 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: Plus Tampa Airport award bonuses to some workers, et cetera. 110 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: We got multiple topics to go over with. I heart 111 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: media Aviation Expert Jay Ratlef's stick Around Right Back. 112 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 3: Fifty five KRC Champion Windows, seasons, the talk spatial. Have 113 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: you ever been in a cockpit. 114 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: Before Jay Ratliff has I heard Media Aviation Expert. We 115 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: had the pleasure of his company every Thursday for a 116 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: few segments. Segment number two here, This one's kind of weird. 117 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how this works in terms of the 118 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: load distribution on a plight on a flight, but apparently 119 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: you have to watch that kind of stuff. What happened 120 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: with this Quantus flight, Well, we had. 121 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: We had a situation where you know Quantus, which is 122 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: known as what the safest to. 123 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 3: Airline in the world according to rain Man. 124 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's absolutely the case. What ended up happening was 125 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: that the crew was given the detail. Well, what we're 126 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: hearing is that Quantus flight in December took off with 127 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 2: fifty one more passengers than were reported. Now, the weight 128 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: and balance calculations for each flight are exact, I mean 129 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: to the last pound, and a lot of times if 130 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: there's bad weather, the crew can say, you know what, 131 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: we could use some extra fuel because we may have 132 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: encounter delays. So since we've got a lighter load, let's 133 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 2: go ahead and put on some more fuel. And the 134 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: problem is you could then exceed your maximum allowable takeoff weight, 135 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 2: and you've got a problem because they had ten thousand 136 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 2: pounds of extra weight they did not know about. Now, 137 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: they could have also said, since we have a lighter load, 138 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: let's take off from a shorter runway. So yeah, it 139 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: just the the the ramifications of this being off this 140 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: much could have been could have been tragic, could have 141 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: been horrific. Now, the crew did taxi, they took off, 142 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: there was no problem, and it wasn't until they were 143 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: airborne that they realized when they were told what had 144 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: taken place. So as a result, you know, QUANTAS is investigating. 145 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: They're trying to look at this, trying to see exactly 146 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: what's taken place so that they can try to avoid 147 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: this kind of mistake from happening. In the airline industry. 148 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: As you and I have talked about forever, constantly shares 149 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: mistakes so that people at other airlines can learn from 150 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: what took place at Kuanas, so that they can make 151 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: sure they can take necessary steps to try to reduce 152 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: the likelihood of that taking effects so terrific company. 153 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, the airline that the flight ended up with fifty 154 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: one more people than originally expected, is that? 155 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 3: Is that what I understand? 156 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: Know, then the manifest showed let's say that they were 157 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: expecting two hundred and fifty one people. The paperwork showed 158 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: two hundred, so that two hundred people boarded, but they 159 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: really had two hundred and fifty one, So the manifest 160 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: itself didn't match with what they had. And you give 161 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: the crew the total number of passengers, the bags, the cargo, 162 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: all the stuff, so that they can compute what their 163 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: their maximum takeoff weight is going to be, and it 164 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: dictates everything that they do on the flight deck. So 165 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: when that's off, then the most critical moment of flight 166 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: take off has been in essence compromised if you're not careful. 167 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: So that's one of the reasons that so often, you know, 168 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: we tend to overlook sometimes just how good flight crews 169 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: are and all the inner workings of what goes on 170 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: in the airline industry, and it's got to be exact, 171 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: and sadly in this case for some reason, Yeah, think 172 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: through ten thousand extra pounds on the aircraft and passengers 173 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: and bags and the flight crew is unaware. Well, they 174 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: were operating on a different set of data. 175 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: It seems unusual to me, just based on all the 176 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: stories that you've talked about in this segment over the years, 177 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: that they would rely on the manifest in determining how 178 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: much extra fuel in this case, they could put on 179 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: the plane. Because we listen, there's always a scramble at 180 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: the end. People coming up in the gate lay, they 181 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: buy a ticket last minute, some people don't show up, 182 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: they overbook a flight, in which case I imagine they 183 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't add extra fuel. But just to rely on manifest 184 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: and not rely on a head count, that just seems no. 185 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: What the crew gets is exact. So the people at 186 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: the gate may be expecting three hundred people, but if 187 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty three get on board, that's the 188 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: number of the crew uses. The crew's given exact numbers. 189 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: We have one hundred and eighty three souls on board. 190 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 2: You've got all of that stuff squared away so that 191 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: everybody's operating from the same you know, the same thing. 192 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: The problem was what was put on the airplane. The 193 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: information gave the pilots was ten thousand pounds off. It 194 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: was an operation issue where they did not h Yeah, 195 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 2: and that was really the problem. 196 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: Well, I mean the horror that you know, I can 197 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: imagine might happen as a consequence of this. You know, 198 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: the planes is not going to have lift off, right, 199 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that really what you're talking about? 200 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean remember the horrific common air crash in 201 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: Lexington that happened because the crew took off on the 202 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: wrong runway which was too short And yeah, I mean 203 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 2: had had quantas done something like that where they needed 204 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: more run Brian, It's just it's you know, flying is 205 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: in incredibly, incredibly safe. My apologies to anybody who's on 206 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: their way to the airport right now, because it's not 207 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: like something that happens. But you know, when you have 208 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: the number of flights that we have in the course 209 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: of the day, and you have eight or ten million 210 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: people a day that are flying worldwide, how often do 211 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: we talk about an accident that takes place? Very very 212 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: rarely do we. And that's a result of the training 213 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: that the crews have, the incredible equipment that we have, 214 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: and you know, just all the things that go on 215 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: behind the scenes to keep things safe. But one of 216 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 2: the things we have to have is a very exact 217 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: count of everything that's on the airplane so that the 218 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 2: crew at the last moment can do their weight and 219 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 2: balance calculations they can go from there. A lot of 220 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: times with those comm air jets, we would have a 221 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: situation with those fifty passengers, which were great to have, 222 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: but boy, they were painting the butt because if you 223 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: had a long flight with a lot of fuel, you'd 224 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: have to leave four or five people off the plane 225 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: because of the weight and balance requirements because they had 226 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: to take extra fuel, or you could take all the 227 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 2: passengers and no bags, or where you could take forty 228 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: seven people in some of the bags. I mean, there 229 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: was always this tightrope. Now, the bigger the airplane gets, 230 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 2: the more relaxed you can be on that where the 231 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: airplane is going to be able to be big enough 232 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: that it can take everything that you have, but those 233 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 2: weight and balance numbers that you give to the crew 234 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: have to be exact. 235 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, well it just reminds me that the de 236 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: icing the wing thing. Since we're getting a big winter 237 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: storm tonight. You know, my dad and I were on 238 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: that flight bringing the Bengals back from Denver, long, long 239 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: time ago, and we sat on the runway in this snow, 240 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: and it kept snowing. We kept sitting there and sitting there, 241 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: and sitting there and sitting there. My dad has this 242 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: just pale white, you know, power to him, and he's 243 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: kind of holding onto this armrest. And after we finally 244 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: took off, I'm like, Dad, what is wrong with you? 245 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: He said, they didn't de ice the wings. They didn't 246 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: de ice the wings. And it was like, what are 247 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: you talking about. So explained me the icing procedures and 248 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: apparently there's a time limit that you have to follow 249 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: and you're going to get the ice the wings. I'm 250 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: on a flight several many years later, same situation, sitting 251 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: on the runway in this it's kind of a sleety 252 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: coming down, and I just looked at the stewardess. I said, 253 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: is the pilot going to have the wings the ice 254 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: before we take off? And she goes, oh, don't worry 255 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: about that. The pilot knows what he's doing. And then, 256 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: you know, five minutes later, she disappears, and then the 257 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: captain comes on, we're going to be taking a brief 258 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: break to pull over and have the wings the ice. 259 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: And I always think that I was responsible for getting 260 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: the wings the ice because my dad brought that to 261 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: my attention when he didn't say a word. 262 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, and you've got to be aware of that, 263 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: because Brian, it's just it's a critical thing. And I've 264 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: said before, if you really want to have a lot 265 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: of fun on a plane you're not on, you can 266 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 2: go to YouTube and look up. I think it's a 267 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: Russian aircraft that is taking off and it has like 268 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, a put of snow on the wing. 269 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: Oh lord, yes, how can you get lift? 270 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: How that airplane got off the ground? I don't I 271 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: tell you this. I would have been the next aviation 272 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: story because I had I been anywhere near an exit, 273 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: I would have been out the door before they pressurize 274 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: that aircraft to get out of there, because there's no 275 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: way that aircraft. 276 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 3: All right, food for thought for people who are flying 277 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: later in this evening. 278 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 2: Again, apologies, I get I get lots of fun emails. 279 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: Like stop it. 280 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, yeah, And I'm no huge 281 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: fan of flag. Anyway, let's pausele ring jay back got 282 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: a couple more stories to talk about and get. 283 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: Our hubs see ice A forty nine. 284 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: If you have KCD Talk Station Brian Thomas with j 285 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: ratliffar aviation Expert. The entirety of iHeart Media is aviation expert. 286 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: He's on all over the nation. We get in for 287 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: a few segments on Thursdays and I love it. Let's 288 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: talk real quick since tomorrow's Tech Friday with Dave Hatter, 289 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: the TSA is warning about using public Wi Fi while 290 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: traveling through airports. 291 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: You and I talked about the the the charging ports 292 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: that are at their airports and how to be careful. Yeah. Yeah, 293 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: because some some somehow we've had hackers that put out 294 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 2: some of these things like the fake ATM things or 295 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: things you put a gas pumps where people can unexpectedly 296 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: u you know, put something in and your your right 297 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: information is subject to hackers. Well, we've had that where 298 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: the TSA said, look, if you're going to charge your 299 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: phone at an airport, use your own charger. But they're 300 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: also saying, the TSA that they're getting reports of people 301 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 2: that are connecting to the public Wi Fi and airports 302 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 2: are placing themselves at risk as well because it's not 303 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: as secure. And Dave had it would know all about that. 304 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: Because the TSA is saying that Look, a lot of 305 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: these people are connecting to things that aren't as secure, 306 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: and it's allowing hackers to more easily access our personal information. Now, 307 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: when you've got the hectic pace of an airport, that 308 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: can cause a lot of people to let their guard 309 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: down because look, hits the time of travel exhaustion, the 310 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: last thing you're thinking about is protect your identification. So 311 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: I think that the TSA's warning comes at a good 312 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: point as we're approaching the end of the year with 313 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: we've got a lot of people traveling because you simply 314 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: can't be too careful. And that's something that I think 315 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: we can repeat over and over and over again, because 316 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: you've got to be careful when you're dealing with, you know, 317 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: trying to protect your identification. 318 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's a warning we all need to heed. 319 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: So and I think Dave has brought that kind of 320 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: thing up before too. 321 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, he's yawning right now because you're so boring 322 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: to him. But I like to talk about it because 323 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 2: it was a TSA warning and it's just reminding people 324 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: when you're at the airport, just protect yourself. 325 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: You're electronic hygiene so to speak. All right, good, I 326 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: guess some of the Tampa Airport TSA workers are happy some. 327 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think twenty one of them up till 328 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: now they got a ten thousand dollars bonus for their 329 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: their performance during the government shutdown. This is something that 330 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: was recommended by their supervisors and others and it was 331 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: a nice ten thousand dollars check and others are looking 332 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: to get the same. And it's nice because not one 333 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: time during that six week period of time did we 334 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: talk about too much the letdown of the TSA checkpoints 335 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: where you know they were miles or three mile long 336 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: screening lines. Know, most of the focus was on the 337 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: air traff controllers. The TSA did their job. I mean 338 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: they I don't know how most of us would be 339 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: if you showed up for work for six weeks and 340 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: you weren't getting paid at that time and you still 341 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: were expected to be as professional and good at what 342 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: you do as as you would do normally. I mean, 343 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: that's a lot of pressure and a lot of stress. 344 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: So the fact that they're getting rewarded, I think is 345 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: great and I think I'd love to see it more often. 346 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: Yep, I agree with you on that. Finally, wait, a 347 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: second good news from Spirit Airlines. 348 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were going only three hundred and sixty five 349 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: pilots off the latest of a bunch of layoffs. They've 350 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: decided they don't need to do that. And I'm thrilled 351 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: to death to hear it, because Spirit right now is 352 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: a good airline. But they're struggling right now, and it's 353 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: going to take some time for them to regain their footing, 354 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: and they're really headed in the right direction, and I 355 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: hope that it continues because you want Spirit Airlines to 356 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 2: be around because all the low cost carriers that are 357 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: out there helped to keep the faverage fares down. Yes, 358 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: that's why when we get a carrier here at CBG, 359 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: if it's Frontier, Allegiance Southwest, whoever it is, we talk 360 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 2: about let's support them. And if it Breeze has got 361 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 2: a great fare to the West coast. And you're thinking, well, 362 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 2: I'm a Delta freaking flyer. They matching the fair I'll 363 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: fly Delta. Okay, you do that, but then in six 364 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: months when an airline says, you know, we're not getting 365 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 2: the loads we thought we're gonna leave, please don't email 366 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: me because I'll remind you that it's up to us. Well, 367 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: that happened with air Tran. Air Tran came in in 368 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five in February trying to compete with Delta 369 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 2: Airlines with forty nine dollars fares from Cincinnati to Orlando, 370 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 2: please forty nine bucks. The problem was Delta matched the fares, 371 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 2: So are you gonna fly Delta or an air Tran 372 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: which maybe you hadn't heard, you know, you didn't know 373 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: who they were. They were spent off of Northwest Massaba Airlines, 374 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: so it was a great airline. But the problem was 375 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: everybody flew Delta, so air Tran ran practically empty flights 376 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: back and forth to Orlando for a year and a 377 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: half before they said enough. And the minute they left, 378 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 2: people started complaining about where an air Tran go. Excuse me, 379 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: I mean, I'll me where they went. They left because 380 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 2: of us. But look, the community has done such a 381 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,719 Speaker 2: great job because when Frontier came here with their one 382 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: flight of day to Denver, bringing it from the Dayton Airport, 383 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: I was pleading, please, this is our opportunity to support 384 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: because it took a lot of work to get Frontier 385 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: to come here. This is a place where on where 386 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 2: you had low cost carriers came to die. You never 387 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 2: bought a low cost carrier in here. Frontier came in here, 388 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: started having success. Here comes Allegian all of a sudden, 389 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: Southwest uproots their entire daton operation, brings them down here. 390 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 2: You've got great things happening. Why because the community is 391 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 2: supporting the low cost carriers. I'm preaching to the choir 392 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 2: because we've done a great job. But when I'm on 393 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 2: when I'm on the air around the country, I tell 394 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 2: them to do what's what's happening right here at Cincinnati 395 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: because we've we've got the model and the community as 396 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 2: an incredible service. 397 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's demonstrabs, demonstrable success. We were the highest airport 398 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: in the country in terms of the cost of airfare. 399 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: People used to drive the Dayton to get a cheaper 400 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: flight and then lay over to Cincinnati on the way 401 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: to wherever they were going. 402 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: They would go anywhere. Well, now Dayton's a ghost town. Yeah, 403 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: and you come down here and look at the license 404 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 2: plates in the barking lot. They're from all over the 405 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 2: Tri state area because they're coming here. Look when you 406 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: can jump on a flight to go to Vegas for 407 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: you know, one hundred and eighteen Bucks round trip or 408 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: Orlando for ninety nine dollars on trip, but during certain 409 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: times of the year you factor in inflation. It's cheaper 410 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: to fly now than it ever has been in the 411 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 2: history of aviation, only made possible by low cost carriers. 412 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: Support your low cost carrier. Keith from Iowa says hello, 413 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: he loves you, and Eric wants to know if you 414 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: have your own podcast. 415 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 2: I do not. I've been asked, ive been encouraged, in fact, 416 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: by several of our producers to do so. Sleep is 417 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: already an interruption of my day. Do you think I'm 418 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: gonna have time for a podcast? 419 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 3: Listen, you're making fat bank in the market. You don't 420 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 3: need that job day. I understand completely. 421 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: Can I can I give you the amount that I 422 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 2: made in the time we've been talking, go ahead, six 423 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 2: eighty one dollars and twenty one pos. 424 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 3: I've been talking to him since eight thirty this morning. 425 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: I sent I sent, I sent you screenshot because I 426 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: want you to know that we've got a few other 427 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 2: stocks at my ste ns and I are looking at 428 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: as well. Hopefully they when they make their gains, they leave. 429 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: I come. Just protect your portfolio, Just go enjoy the 430 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 2: rest say opening bells, not for what thirty four. 431 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 3: Minutes or so. 432 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: Wow, athlete named day trade Fun. That's where you find 433 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: Jay and the little plugs. A little plug for you. 434 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 3: Jay. 435 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: All right, well, hub delays. I guess I gotta worry 436 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: about real quick just at a real quick time. 437 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,239 Speaker 2: Nothing nothing, With apologies to Bismarck, North Dakota. We're in 438 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 2: good shape. 439 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: Wonderful news, Jay rightlift, love you man, appreciate you being 440 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: on the program. We'll talking in next Thursday. Best of 441 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: health and love to you and your better half. Man 442 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: eight fifty six. You didn't get a chance to lo