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Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, Dan Watkins, that means the Mariners and Blue Jays

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Speaker 2: and goodbye Yankees. Well, welcome back everybody, our number two

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Speaker 2: here on a Tuesday night. Delighted to be joined by

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Speaker 2: Boston City Council Liz Britton councilor welcome to Nightside.

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Speaker 3: How are you good evening?

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Speaker 4: Pleased to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Pleased to be with you as well. You are a

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Speaker 2: district councilor you represent District nine I believe, which is

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Speaker 2: primarily Brighton and Austin, but you may have other constituencies,

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Speaker 2: do you, Lappo?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, primarily Austin. Brighton is District.

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Speaker 2: Nine, Yes, okay, great. So I noticed the article, a

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Speaker 2: couple of articles in the newspapers today that you and

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Speaker 2: the City Council President Rouzie Lui Juan are talking about

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Speaker 2: government run grocery stores, kind of a hot topic, and

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, how do you envision government run grocery stores.

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Speaker 2: I understand the concern that grocery prices are seem always

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Speaker 2: go up, they never go down, and people, you know,

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Speaker 2: want to be able to eat well and have access

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Speaker 2: to grocery stores. How would this work? Would there be

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Speaker 2: like one location somewhere in Boston. How do you envision this?

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Speaker 3: I just want to listen well to be clear.

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Speaker 4: Then I think what we're proposing is a hearing to

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Speaker 4: discuss the possibility of publicly owned grocery stores and to

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Speaker 4: address food and Security Council Presidents Luis And also finds

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Speaker 4: a hearing order almost simultaneously with the one we five,

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Speaker 4: and it's to look at just the various alternative models

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Speaker 4: for food access in grocery stores, because we're finding in

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Speaker 4: the city of Boston there's a proportion of our residents

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Speaker 4: who food insecure, especially our elders and folks on effected income,

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Speaker 4: and you know across the country that are places before

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Speaker 4: they have established a model of a publicly funded grocery store.

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Speaker 4: And it may be that the grocery store to make

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Speaker 4: it that little bit more affordable for folks who need

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Speaker 4: that support. It may be something like a support for

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Speaker 4: rental relief or tax relief or whatever. So the conversation

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Speaker 4: is really to have a hearing order to explore these

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Speaker 4: different models that we might be able to implement in

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Speaker 4: the city of Boston.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the only big one I know that they've talked

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Speaker 2: about something like that in New York, the Democratic potential

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Speaker 2: nominee and Damie has talked about that. But I did

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Speaker 2: a little research, and the most successful one was one

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Speaker 2: summer we're in Kansas, a little town that didn't have

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Speaker 2: a grocery store, and I guess the residents were having

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Speaker 2: to drive and a pretty long distance both ways, and

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Speaker 2: they said, well, it's easier to have a a grocery

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Speaker 2: store run.

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Speaker 3: By the town.

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Speaker 2: I don't know logistically how it would run. Would how

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Speaker 2: when you say a grocery store, I think about Roach

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Speaker 2: Brothers and Hanerford and Market Basket and all of those,

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Speaker 2: you know, great grocery stores that when you're able to

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Speaker 2: get to there's pretty much everything that you want. All

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Speaker 2: of us would like to see the prices a little lower.

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Speaker 2: Would you folks have to establish a sort of a

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Speaker 2: city department which would in effect staff a grocery store.

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Speaker 2: And then also, or is it too early to even

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Speaker 2: contemplate that.

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Speaker 4: I think it's too early to even a contemplate. This

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Speaker 4: is really just the start of the conversation. We have

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Speaker 4: a non not for profit grocery store in the city.

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Speaker 4: They had one in Central Square and Cambridge, and I

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Speaker 4: think they had a few in the city of Boston

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Speaker 4: called Daily Table, but they have ceased operations. And we

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Speaker 4: do have co ops cooperatives, and that's another model for

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Speaker 4: grocery stores. You know that we used to have a

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Speaker 4: folks would volunteer and they would get they would get

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Speaker 4: a discount if there were volunteers and members, they would

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Speaker 4: get a discount on their on their grocery built anything

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Speaker 4: that they bought in the store. So I think there's

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Speaker 4: many different models, and I think it's it's really just

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Speaker 4: the beginning of the conversation. I think in this moment,

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Speaker 4: we have the impact of parents. Now more recently, we

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Speaker 4: have the impact of the tens of farm workers. Farmers

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Speaker 4: thing that we're very cognizant off is that the government

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Speaker 4: is cutting food programs like supplemental nutritional Assistance program, the

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Speaker 4: SNAP program, and we're anticipating that that's going to impact

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Speaker 4: tens of thousands of folks in the Greater Boston area

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Speaker 4: moving forward. So I think it's almost like we're anticipating

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Speaker 4: bring in stakeholders and folks who work in this space,

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Speaker 4: like Food Justice and Grow Boston and the Boston Public

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Speaker 4: Food Bank, just to talk about food security and how

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Speaker 4: we might develop a model for a publicly funded grocery

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Speaker 4: store and it might be just something to help reduce

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Speaker 4: the overhead that we could be more competitive. But it's

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Speaker 4: not a dumb daily.

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Speaker 2: At this moment, no, that I understand. So so you

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Speaker 2: basically are saying anything is potentially possible. Is there any

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Speaker 2: country in the world that that you I know that

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Speaker 2: that you grew up in Ireland and if I hadn't

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Speaker 2: done the research, I would have known it anyway. But

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Speaker 2: is there any country in the world that that has

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Speaker 2: has undertaken some idea like this? I mean I'm unfamiliar.

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Speaker 2: I mean I know a lot of the communist countries. Uh,

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Speaker 2: go you go to Russia or North Korea. The prices

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Speaker 2: aren't bad, but there's but there's no food to buy

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Speaker 2: in many, many times.

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Speaker 4: To your point earlier, we have a lot of really

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Speaker 4: high quality grocery stores in the city of Boston. Some

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Speaker 4: areas don't have grocery stores and no spaces. We call

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Speaker 4: those food deserts. We have one here in Austin Brighton

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Speaker 4: and Ook Square, there isn't there isn't a grocery store

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Speaker 4: then walking distance. But we across the city there's there's

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Speaker 4: areas where, yeah, there people don't have access to an

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Speaker 4: affordable grocery store. And I know I am presently from

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Speaker 4: the expression of food aparthite, because you know, you might

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Speaker 4: live across the street from a really wonderful grocery store

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Speaker 4: like a Ghoas Brothers or a Whole Food, but if

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Speaker 4: you're on a fixed low fixed income, you can't afford

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Speaker 4: to buy your groceries there.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I guess that is true in some cases,

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Speaker 2: but might not It be simpler to say, Okay, if

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Speaker 2: there are people on fixed income, particularly say elderly people

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Speaker 2: in Boston over a certain age, we could provide them.

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Speaker 2: If the feds are cutting back on their wik programs

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Speaker 2: or their food stamp programs. Boston could innovate and have

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Speaker 2: some money and and give the equivalent of Boston Wick

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Speaker 2: in Boston food stamps to Boston you know, verified Boston residents.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we're doing some of that already because you know,

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Speaker 4: we we do how we do get vouchers for food farmers' markets.

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Speaker 4: We get those gad vichers from various like philand Tropic efforts,

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Speaker 4: or we asked our local institutions for money for food

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Speaker 4: vouchers to support residents being able to buy and fresh,

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Speaker 4: fresh vegetables and produce at the farmers market. You know,

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Speaker 4: that's even that's even another.

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Speaker 3: Sort of model of what we could do.

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Speaker 4: And as I said at the outset, it's really just

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Speaker 4: a discussion about all the different options and how we

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Speaker 4: might be able to beef up some of those options

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Speaker 4: or or or look at some more innovative ways to

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Speaker 4: dealing with the with the problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I just finished by saying that we have

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Speaker 2: that wonderful facility, the Greater Food Bank, that that is available.

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Speaker 2: I would hope that maybe they could do something like that,

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Speaker 2: get involved in it. And when you talk about farmer's markets,

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Speaker 2: one of the problems living here in the Northeast over

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Speaker 2: which none of us have any control. That farmers markets

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Speaker 2: pretty much close up sometime after Thanksgiving and they don't

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Speaker 2: open up until, you know, maybe April or May at

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Speaker 2: the earliest. We don't have that twelve month growing season

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Speaker 2: like they do in other parts of the country. Well, well,

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Speaker 2: we'll follow you on this. I'm a bit of a skeptic.

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Speaker 2: I'm in all honesty is you probably figured out. But

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Speaker 2: I very much appreciate you coming on tonight and explaining

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Speaker 2: where we were in the process. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 2: Council Libert, thank you and thank you for your Interestaniel's

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Speaker 2: that's okay, I answered, I I'm I'm. I also share

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Speaker 2: with you in Irish citizenship. I want you to know

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Speaker 2: so my family from a little town called Mallow on

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Speaker 2: the Blackwater.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think you're from the other side of the divide

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Speaker 2: if I'm not.

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Speaker 4: If I recall from I'm from the North, I'm from.

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Speaker 3: Country, yes, right, I know.

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Speaker 2: Twenty six of the six I know. Thank thank you great.

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Speaker 2: I've been. I've been to the North, as the TV

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Speaker 2: reported to both Derry and to Belfast on a couple

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Speaker 2: of occasions, and it's a it's a fascinating situation over there.

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Speaker 2: Thank goodness that that's that peace has I think taken

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Speaker 2: hold in Ireland. Many people felt it would never occur,

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Speaker 2: other countries around the world that peace is sometimes actually possible.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you too as well. All right, and

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Speaker 2: we come back and want to hear from all of you.

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Speaker 2: I think it's interesting. I am not someone who wants

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Speaker 2: to see the government run food store. It seems to

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Speaker 2: make some subsidies available to people, that's fine, that's okay.

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Speaker 2: But we live in a country where there are options,

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Speaker 2: and there are a lot of people out there. I

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Speaker 2: go to grocery stores all over the place, go to Walmart,

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Speaker 2: go to Market Basket, I go to Roach Brothers, I

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Speaker 2: go to Shaw's. Don't go to Wegmans much, to be

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Speaker 2: honest with you. The Wegmans that is near where I live.

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Speaker 2: It's just very difficult to get in and get out of.

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Speaker 2: But putting all of that aside, I don't have a

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Speaker 2: lot of faith in that the government can run much

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Speaker 2: and in an EMT service. So we'll see. I'd love

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Speaker 2: to know what you think. Would you be inclined?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: If you have a government run grocery store for people

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Speaker 2: who need help, do you prevent other Bostonians from shopping there.

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Speaker 2: There's a legion of questions that that are in my mind.

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Speaker 2: And I didn't want to hector the councilor because she

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Speaker 2: made it very clear that this is in the discussion stages.

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Speaker 2: But I'm sure there are people who have figured it

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Speaker 2: out and figured out that somehow that there might be something,

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Speaker 2: some profit to be made in a nonprofit if you

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Speaker 2: get my drift, So going to open it up. Do

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Speaker 2: you think the government, whether it's the federal government, the

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Speaker 2: state government, or the City of Boston should run grocery stores?

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Speaker 2: And again, Liz Britten left open the possibility that they

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Speaker 2: did not necessarily have to run them, but maybe they

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Speaker 2: could expedite things. I find it very sad that in

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Speaker 2: this country, where we have so much, that there are

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Speaker 2: people who needed assistance food, because it seems to me

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Speaker 2: that there are lots of programs that have been instituted

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Speaker 2: over the years to help people, and I I hate

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Speaker 2: to think that there's anyone who's going to bed hungry

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Speaker 2: at night. I realized there are people who live in

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Speaker 2: may be a choice that's impacted by some sort of

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Speaker 2: mental judgment or lack thereof, but there is a choice

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're talking about these food these grocery stores.

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Speaker 5: Go right ahead, Frank, Thanks Dan, Thanks.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think that the government involvement in ways

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Speaker 5: they subsidize that. But direct involvement running a store, no way.

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Speaker 5: You don't want the government to do that.

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Speaker 2: Well, the only the only exception, the only exception I think,

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Speaker 2: There are certain things that only government can do. But

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Speaker 5: In my opinion, Yeah, I'd agree with you. There are

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I also don't understand why this administration, who

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Speaker 2: But a program like you just described, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: I really am serious when I say that, I really

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Speaker 2: And we to alienate those constituencies I think is suicidal

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Speaker 2: for any any president, particularly this president. Frank all great points,

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much. I wish you'd call more often. That

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 5: I've called a couple of times.

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Speaker 3: I'll call again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, please make it You're thoughtful, you bring your a game,

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Speaker 2: and that's what I want to hear from callers. Thanks again,

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Speaker 2: Talk to you soon. Okay, here comes the news at

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Speaker 2: at least I want to talk about it until ten o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, So we're talking about food and whether or

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Speaker 2: not Boston is going to potentially again. The city councilor

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Speaker 2: I suspect this is something that they very well might

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Speaker 2: In New York Joe and Lynn, Joe, how would you

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Speaker 8: Well, that's terrible, No, I wouldn't. The government can't do

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Speaker 8: news and they said he said the fabric will go down.

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Speaker 8: But we don't need to lose any fabric. We don't

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Speaker 8: don't need a government store. We need good people that

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Speaker 8: that's right that you agree with me on that.

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Speaker 2: Well, my preference always is to unless it's absolutely necessary,

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Speaker 8: Cho bireoucracy, which it doesn't have to be.

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Speaker 2: Well, you need a police department, you need a US Army,

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Speaker 2: you need a navy, you need you need military, and

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Speaker 2: you need roads, certain things that only the government can do.

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Speaker 2: Fire departments you can't have in the city of Boston

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Speaker 2: there are enough grocery stores, I think. And if there

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Speaker 2: You obviously have a physical limitation I.

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Speaker 3: Have no site.

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Speaker 8: I have to go with a rite or I go

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Speaker 8: they know me at market Basket. Now, sometimes I get

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Speaker 3: I do it myself. Sometimes it's hard to believe me.

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Speaker 2: I have a friend of mine who orders groceries every

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Speaker 3: My understanding, there is no Roach Brothers around here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I don't know what grocery stores.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do either of them provide uh there? You know,

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Speaker 2: do they provide the option that you could order over

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Speaker 8: Know they only provided peapod net changes online. I enjoyed

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well again, it's that's the sort of innovation that

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Speaker 8: Thinking about instead of government stores. Because you know, I

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Speaker 2: You're going to have people who have to get their

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Speaker 2: there's things that that only government can do, and there

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Speaker 2: that food stamps have been cut back, and they can

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Speaker 2: they can make it up for people here in Boston,

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Speaker 2: that's great.

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Speaker 8: I agree.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming that the ride works in Boston, and so

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Speaker 2: grocery stores. There are some great grocery stores in North Korea.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the prices are unbelievably low.

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Speaker 3: Trust me, there's no so other than that.

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Speaker 2: It's great. But it's good to know that. You know,

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Speaker 2: nice if they had some bananas to sell you. Yes,

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Speaker 8: Is getting worse with bureaucracy. That's sorry, interrupt, but I

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Speaker 3: You don't have to, but I do want.

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Speaker 8: They're good.

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Speaker 2: Why, that's nothing, There's nothing.

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Speaker 8: Wrong with that earned it. They treat me right. There

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Speaker 2: But yeah, well that's the same way at a restaurant.

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Speaker 3: To take at all. Simple and that same prayer for mister.

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Speaker 8: I hope we can get him this job back, and

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Speaker 8: I hope you'll have him on the air.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to have him on the air, but I

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Speaker 3: They're fired, you know I've said that.

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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is they were his his right

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Speaker 3: Come on one thing, damn before I go.

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Speaker 8: He called me himself when I complimented, just to show

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Speaker 8: We'd like to talk to you, and this.

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Speaker 3: Is Arthur T. And then we talked how are you?

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Speaker 3: He says, I'm very good. I work very hard.

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Speaker 8: So I'm glad you compient. I'm glad you called me

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm a talk show host, Joe, and

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Speaker 2: can work. And if I can take away a little

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Speaker 2: bit of frustration for some one of my listeners, I

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Speaker 2: hope they appreciate it. But Noil, you certainly appreciated what

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Speaker 2: mister Demulis did for you, so that's great.

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Speaker 8: Maybe I'll be in touch with someday. I got some

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Speaker 8: news for you and some think. All right, we'll talk

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Speaker 8: to you all.

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Speaker 2: Don't overwhelm me now, Joe. Remember I'm not here as

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Speaker 2: I'm not here as years we'll get Yeah, well, if

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Speaker 2: you get to Mulis for me, I'll give you a

447
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Speaker 2: production credit. Okay, thanks, Joe, talking to you soon. I

448
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Speaker 2: have a great night. Good okay, one of my most

449
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Speaker 2: interesting callers, that's for sure. We will take a quick

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Speaker 2: break here one line at six one, seven, two, five, four,

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Speaker 2: ten thirty. One line at six one, seven, nine three one,

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Speaker 2: ten thirty, and we can easily take this into the

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Speaker 2: next hour if you want, or we will change topics

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Speaker 2: at the top of the tent at the beginning of

455
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Speaker 2: the ten right after the ten o'clock news. It's up

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Speaker 2: to the callers to decide where we go these topics.

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Speaker 2: I simply throw them out there, and I'm always looking

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Speaker 2: for topic ideas. I keep saying. The successive night Side

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Speaker 2: is good guests, good topics, ad callers, and stir back

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Speaker 2: on Nightside.

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Speaker 1: After this, you're on night Side with on Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: Let's go down to Texas, San Antonio, Texas, and our

463
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Speaker 2: friend Dave is down there. Dave, I don't know that

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Speaker 2: they have any government run grocery stores in Texas. I

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Speaker 2: suspect not.

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Speaker 3: No, we don't. And I believe it's a sore on

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Speaker 3: this on capitalism's rear end that have such a thing,

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Speaker 3: and it's a pimple that just got to be popped

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Speaker 3: and then cured and erased and gotten rid of.

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Speaker 2: Well do you think we need them? Well, I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure if you're saying we need it or or.

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Speaker 3: We don't need you don't need you don't need that.

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Speaker 9: And I find it not only don't we need it,

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Speaker 9: it damages our efforts to develop a pure run capitalistic America.

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Speaker 9: This socialism is a constant thorn in the side of

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Speaker 9: the capitalistic venture and we we have to we have

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Speaker 9: to eliminate it or or else it's going to destroy

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Speaker 9: the philosophy. And then when we when we in this

479
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Speaker 9: country finally said well I'm the socialists, they're going to

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Speaker 9: find out that social.

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Speaker 2: Well you're going to find out in New York Money. Yeah,

482
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Speaker 2: you're going to find out in New York that the

483
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Speaker 2: average New Yorker is going to support support a socialist.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they they elected Deblasio a few years ago,

485
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Speaker 2: and Adams kind of brought New York City back a

486
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Speaker 2: little bit, but he's out of the race now. I

487
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Speaker 2: guess Cuomo is the great, the great hope for for

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Speaker 2: New York City. I think Mandami will be a disaster,

489
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Speaker 2: but you know it's up will be and well they

490
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Speaker 2: sell you know, it's like he's going to give everybody

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Speaker 2: free this for that and if you're not. It's funny

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Speaker 2: during the day, Dave, I haven't said this before recently,

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Speaker 2: but I'm going to say it recently Tonight. During the day,

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Speaker 2: I flip around and I watch CNN, I watch MSNBC,

495
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Speaker 2: and I watch Fox because those are the only and

496
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Speaker 2: then I watch local news here in Boston. At noontime,

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Speaker 2: I watch four and I watch five because I want

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Speaker 2: to know what's going on and I don't want to

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Speaker 2: be caught by surprise and find out that that I've

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Speaker 2: missed a big story. Anyway, when I flip on four

501
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Speaker 2: and five, on seven, the major news network news across

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Speaker 2: the channels across the country during the day, it's like

503
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: you feel your brain cells are dying. You know, it's

504
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: some gab fest with some group talking about nothing of

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Speaker 2: any value, and you realize that the IQ of the

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Speaker 2: average American is a heck of a lot lower than

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Speaker 2: what it is on this talk show or any talk

508
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Speaker 2: show left or right. People who listening and calling to

509
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Speaker 2: talk shows, they have opinions. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong,

510
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Speaker 2: but they have opinions. Most of these folks who are

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Speaker 2: watching TV during the day, I mean, I'd rather watch

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Speaker 2: the kid programming for two and three year olds then

513
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Speaker 2: because it's the same, it's adult it's it's adult kids program.

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Speaker 2: Oh now we're going to.

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Speaker 10: Talk about whether or not Taylor Swift is gonna get

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Speaker 10: engaged to the football player. So let's go to our panel. Now,

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Speaker 10: what do you folks think? Do you think the Taylor's

518
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Speaker 10: gonna get Yeah, oh she is engaged, right ha ha.

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Speaker 10: It's it's it's stultifying, it's mind numbing. What goes on

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Speaker 10: for entertainment during the day, and those are the people

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Speaker 10: who who elect politicians.

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Speaker 2: It's fighting. Yeah, all right, my man, thanks for weighing in.

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Speaker 2: As always, Thanks Dave, talked to you soon, good night,

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Speaker 2: bye bye. Let me go to Mike and Quinsy might

525
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Speaker 2: gonna get you and two more in go right ahead, Mike.

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Speaker 7: Hey, this is Mike and Quinsy.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Dan, I'm doing just great, Mike. I

528
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Speaker 2: think already established that. But you go right ahead.

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Speaker 7: For the most part, I think businesses should be private,

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Speaker 7: but I've seen situations where, especially if there's a void,

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Speaker 7: that the government can move in and be extremely helpful.

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Speaker 2: Give me an example, if you would.

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Speaker 7: The Tennessee Valley Association, the TVA.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was nineteen thirty six, if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 2: got anything.

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Speaker 3: More recent than that.

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Speaker 7: Still it's still going strong.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I know that it provided electricity to an entire section

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Speaker 2: of the country. But that's I think that's close to well,

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Speaker 2: at least ninety years, eighty nine years to be exact.

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Speaker 2: Give me a more recent example.

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Speaker 7: That's right, But the TVA is an example of the

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Speaker 7: government moving in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you could say the Hoover Dam too. I mean,

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Speaker 2: obviously we weren't. We weren't going to get a bunch

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Speaker 2: of people out there in the four corners of the

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Speaker 2: Great West and build the Hoover Dam. We understand that

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Speaker 2: the roads I mentioned roads across America. We can't have

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Speaker 2: roads across America built by people in little towns, those

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Speaker 2: big projects. We can't have a military or an air

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Speaker 2: force that's privately owned. I get all of that, and

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Speaker 2: the TVA is a great example. Give me something recently

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Speaker 2: that I mean. I think the Food and Drug Administration

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Speaker 2: is legitimate. But let me ask you you live in Quincy.

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Speaker 2: How many grocery stores are in Quincy? Would you say? Approximately?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Many?

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Speaker 2: How many? What's money mean? By many?

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Speaker 7: Three or four or eight or nine, twelve.

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Speaker 2: Ten to twelve? Okay? Do you think that there would

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Speaker 2: be a spot in Quincy where you could need a

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Speaker 2: Quinsy run grocery store.

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Speaker 7: No, but Oaks Square is an interesting uh uh place?

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Speaker 2: Very familiar with Oak Square, very familiar.

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Speaker 7: I worked at Oak Square for eleven years, but quite

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Speaker 7: a long time ago.

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Speaker 2: But let me ask you this. Do you remember Johnny's

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Speaker 2: the Fruit and Vegetables in Oak Square?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to go there like two or three

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Speaker 2: times a week, the best best fruit and vegetables at

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Speaker 2: the best best prices anywhere, any and best quality.

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Speaker 7: There was a sub shop there that sold it was

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Speaker 7: a sub that had they called it Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: Or someone that was optim Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, Hey, Mike, I got to get a couple

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Speaker 2: more in. Thanks for We haven't talked about the TVA

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Speaker 2: in a long time. There's there's also the r e A.

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Speaker 3: The the.

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Speaker 2: What is that electrification agency? The rural That's that's how

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Speaker 2: my last name is spelled Oria, the Rural Electrification Agency.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to think that they named the agency after me,

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Speaker 2: but I know they didn't.

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Speaker 7: I just think if there's some places like drug stores

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Speaker 7: in certain places in Boston, uh, it seems like they

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Speaker 7: don't they don't want to do business.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Well, if you're getting robbed every night and and

589
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Speaker 2: you you can't you can't hire people, that's a problem too.

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Speaker 11: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know that you need more policing in some areas

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Speaker 2: to keep those stores open. That's a factor. You know

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Speaker 2: that that's that is that is a factor that deals

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Speaker 2: with food, food deserts. That's for sure. Hey, I got

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Speaker 2: to run, Mike. Thank you much for your call. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you. Let me keep rolling here real quickly, and

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Scott and Quincy. Scott, You've

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Speaker 2: got to be quick for me. I want to get

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Speaker 2: one more in as well. Go ahead, Scott.

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Speaker 3: Well, Dan good Show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 11: You know what I think when it comes to this

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Speaker 11: thing with providing food and supply to our underprivileged people,

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Speaker 11: is instead of giving out EBT cards and things like that,

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Speaker 11: for the most part, we should leverage the power of

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Speaker 11: our Amazons, our Walmarts, our targets, our food chain and

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Speaker 11: have personally prepared packages of foods and supplies tailored to

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Speaker 11: their metabolic, cultural, age, height, weight, et cetera, sent to

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Speaker 11: their homes, you know, monthly or weekly, and that way

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Speaker 11: the government could ensure that they're getting the right nutrition

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Speaker 11: and the correct products rather than you know what you

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Speaker 11: see people putting in their grocery basket.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's going to take that's going to take a

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Speaker 2: big lift by the government to basically prepare food for individuals.

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Speaker 2: But that's a thought. That's a thought. Maybe there are

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Speaker 2: people who need that. It's almost as if you're preparing

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Speaker 2: you know, for just individuals. I don't know, I'd like that.

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Speaker 2: If they want to do it for me.

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Speaker 11: For free, well you just contract with Walmarts, send them

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Speaker 11: some monoch those threes every month that an average family

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Speaker 11: of four would need, you know, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's an idea. We'll put that into into

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Speaker 2: the idea machine, and next time we talk about that,

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Speaker 2: I'll mention that you called and suggested that and see

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Speaker 2: what people have to say. Good show, Thanks appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Let me go to Steve in Bridgewater. Steve, a little

627
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Speaker 2: less than two minutes for you. You called in late,

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Speaker 2: but the microphone is yours. Go right ahead, Steve.

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Speaker 6: Yeah again. You know, I was just listening to what

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Speaker 6: you been talking about here. Basically I agree that could

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Speaker 6: could I ask.

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Speaker 2: You, Steve, are you on like some sort of a

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Speaker 2: headset or I'm sorry, my my, my.

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Speaker 9: My.

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Speaker 6: Lips weren't close enough to the mind.

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Speaker 2: Now it's much better. It's amazing how how that works.

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Speaker 2: Go right ahead, Steve, excellent, go ahead.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's an except. There's an exception to the rules.

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Speaker 6: In New Hampshire state liquor stores they'll do all run

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Speaker 6: by the state. And I get in them, they have

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Speaker 6: working liquid, they have guses.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, well maybe maybe that's what they should do. Boston, good,

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Speaker 2: that's a state. They probably do it efficiently. I don't

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Speaker 2: know that Manchester or Portsmouth should have city run liquor stores.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about here. We're talking about city

646
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Speaker 2: run grocery stores.

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Speaker 6: So you know, right, I know that, but in that case,

648
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Speaker 6: it's still the government. That's my you know, my my planting.

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Speaker 6: It's still the government doing it, whether it's the city

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Speaker 6: or the state.

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Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, we could have the government do everything.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you if you think about it, we

653
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Speaker 2: could have the government open up hardware stores, we could

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Speaker 2: have them open up barbershops, beauty beauty parlors, and then

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Speaker 2: the government could run everything. I don't want to go

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Speaker 2: down that road, but I understand the point you're making,

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Speaker 2: and it was a good one, Steve. I appreciate you. Carl,

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Speaker 2: Thank you much, my friend. Talk soon and call earlier

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Speaker 2: so I give you more time. Okay, thanks, all right,

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Speaker 2: we are done for this topic. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 2: I had forgot. At ten o'clock, we're going to change topics.

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Speaker 2: I will have Robins with me. We're going to talk.

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Speaker 2: Today is the second anniversary, sad anniversary of the massacre

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Speaker 2: of innocent Israeli citizens, men, women and children by Hamas

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Speaker 2: two years ago. Today. We will talk about that for

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Speaker 2: at least an hour, maybe longer. If you're interested in

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Speaker 2: the issue, feel free to join the conversation Jeff Robbins

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Speaker 2: on the other side