1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: This is off season Dodger Talk. 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 2: Get in on the show by calling eight six six 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: eight seven hashtag Dodger Talk and now your host, David Basse. 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Dodger Talk, one of two shows we have 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: for you this week. David Vase with you until eight 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: o'clock tonight here on AM five to seventy LA Sports. 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: Our next show is going to be Thursday night at 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: seven o'clock. Miguel Rojas and Max Munsey are going to 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: join us on Thursday night tonight. We've got a great 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: show for you because I feel like people are ignoring 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: the fact that in Major League Baseball games this year 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: there is going to be a significant rule addition technology wise, 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: as the automated strike zone is coming to Major League 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: Baseball games, not just spring training games, but actual major 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: league games. It is being implemented where a batter, the catcher, 16 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: or the pitcher can challenge balls and strikes twice. You 17 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: got two challenges for nine innings, and from my understanding, 18 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: if it goes extras, you'll be given one extra challenge. 19 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: So if you challenge a pitch and you're wrong, you 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: lose that challenge. There is no going back, and that's 21 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: happening this year, and I have some questions, so I 22 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: thought i'd bring in our resident umpire who has been 23 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: on the show a few times, and that is thirty 24 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: year Major League veteran umpire Brian Gorman, who lives in 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: the Knejo Valley and also is a Major League Baseball observer. Basically, 26 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: he's watching the umpires the games and kind of just 27 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: gathering information on how umpires do individually as a crew. 28 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: He's out at Dodger Stadium virtually every home game, so 29 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: I've gotten to know Brian Gorman, who actually was the 30 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: home played umpire the day that Sean Green had his 31 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: four home run nineteen total base record setting day back 32 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand and one. So Brian Gorman is going 33 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: to educate us and maybe clarify some of the questions 34 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: I have about this automated strike zone that's coming to 35 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. Brian Gorman is going to join us 36 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: at seven point thirty. We have phone lines open at 37 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: eight six, six, nine, eighty seven, two five seventy. Did 38 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: you even know this was coming into play? And basically 39 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: it's trying to generate more offense where the edges of 40 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: the strike zone may be eliminated to try to force 41 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: pitchers to come more into the strike zone and not 42 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: risk getting a fifty to fifty call going against them. 43 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: Did you even know the automated strike zone is coming 44 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: into play in twenty twenty six major league games? I 45 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: feel like many of you were not aware of this, 46 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: and that's why I wanted to shine a spotlight on 47 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: it tonight, especially with Major League umpire Brian Gorman at 48 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: seven point thirty. And did you see it in spring training? 49 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: Did you like it in spring training? Major League Baseball 50 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: in the Commissioner's office is telling us that you wanted this, 51 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: You gave good reviews to this in spring training last year. 52 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: And my biggest question is David vasse strike zones a 53 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: lot different than Ronnie Fossio's strike zone. And if you 54 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: remember watching Ricky Henderson, he was whatever height he was, 55 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: but when he got into the batter's box, he was 56 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: dramatically bent over at the waist, so his height was 57 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: a lot different in the batter's box than it was 58 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: standing straight up in left field. Have they accounted for that? 59 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: We'll ask Brian Gorman eight six six two five seventy 60 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: is the phone number coming up in fifteen minutes. I'll 61 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: let you know about a former fan favorite that is 62 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: back on the open market that could find his way 63 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: back to the Dodgers. But I wanted to tell you 64 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: about my day. You may have heard Petros and Money 65 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: mock me for speaking to a fraternity, but you know, 66 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: I have preconceived notions about frat guys and they're usually accurate. 67 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: Look at Matt money Smith frat guy, Bullseye one hundred 68 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: percent frat guy. I'm sure you're not shocked knowing that. 69 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: But anyway, I talked to a group of very nice 70 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: fraternity men. The Sigma Chi Alumni Los Angeles chapter today 71 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: held a small gathering for Joe Davis, who was part 72 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: of that fraternity at his college in Wisconsin, a very 73 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: small college. And I love how he said it because 74 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: he kind of tore down the walls as why he 75 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: joined this fraternity because he did play football there and 76 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: it was kind of a fraternity for athletes at this college. 77 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: But anyway, the story goes back a year ago where 78 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: I was contacted by a member of the Sigma Ui 79 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: Los Angeles chapter that wanted to honor Joe with this 80 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: honor of being a significant sig and I guess to 81 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: be able to get that honor, somebody has to write 82 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: a letter to vouch for the person's character. And I've 83 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: known Joe Davis since the first day he started with 84 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: the Dodgers and have never wavered in liking him. I 85 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: like Joe Davis personally, and also he's pretty good at 86 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: what he does, right. I like him and I respect 87 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: him because he's always prepared. He puts in the work, 88 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: and he's the best baseball broadcaster right now in America, 89 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: arguably top five. We all have our biases, but I 90 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: would put him in the top five. How about that, 91 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: We'll agree. But for a guy that took over for 92 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: the legend, not just a legend, but the legend. Not 93 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: too many people succeed as much as Joe Davis has succeeded, 94 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: and a lot of that has to go to his characters. 95 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: So I was more than happy to speak on his behalf, 96 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: write that letter on his behalf. And it was a 97 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: good group of guys. And Patrick Muldoon, legendary actor, Daytime Star, 98 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: also Saturday Morning Cameo Star. He did play Jeff at 99 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: the Attic who stole Kelly Kapowski away from Zach Morris. Ronnie, 100 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: this is legit stuff. If you want to see my 101 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: picture with Muldoon, who is an LA native, grew up 102 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: in sam Pedro, knows the Papadakus as well, loves the Dodgers, 103 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: is going to join us on Dodger Talk next week. 104 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: You can find our photo with Muldoon at officially vass 105 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: on Instagram. But nonetheless, there was a Q and a 106 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: session after Joe made his small, short speech, which we 107 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: all appreciated. And a guy that has accomplished as much 108 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: as he has and is in the middle of his 109 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: career doesn't need to go on with a speech speech speech. 110 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: Only guys that have not accomplished a lot need to 111 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: remind us how much they've done. But nonetheless, there was 112 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: a Q and a session after, And I don't know 113 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: it sparked something inside of me because multiple people at 114 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: that luncheon were asking him how does it feel to 115 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: fill the shoes of Vin Scully? And I don't know 116 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: that just rubbed me the wrong way because it's not 117 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: like it's his first year. I think this is his 118 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: tenth eleventh year doing this since then retired. And my 119 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: thing is, and I think we all have to come 120 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: to that conclusion, nobody is ever going to be Vin Scully. 121 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: Once you come to that realization, I truly believe you'll 122 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: appreciate Joe Davis as much as you should. And at 123 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: that luncheon, I said, you know what, it's at the 124 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: point now that when Joe Davis isn't calling games, we're saying, 125 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: is that person good enough to fill his chair? When 126 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: Joe Davis is not calling a Dodger, Fox eleven or 127 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: Fox Sports game, that guy has to fill Joe Davis's chair. 128 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: And I just wanted to share with you some of 129 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: the moments that Joe Davis has called in the last 130 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: three years. And the final call is not even a 131 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: Dodger call. It's one of my favorite Joe Davis's call 132 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: from the twenty twenty three NLCS Bryce Harper's humongous home run. 133 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: So just to remind you how good Joe is, here's 134 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: a reminder. Here's the O two pitch bounces coming up. 135 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 3: Stabat that chap you dona come out? The Dodgers stand 136 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 3: tall head when called du back, titles. 137 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 4: Taylor the Tyne run or says deliveries prevent hits about. 138 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 3: Right field, sees gun jibby mate junny Game one of 139 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 3: the World Series, drilled on the field in deep held 140 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 3: con no way the girl Rojas. 141 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: Dave Roberts playst gun the guy haven't had a head 142 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: in a month. 143 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: Hit of the ninth thirty of Game seven, he said, 144 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: a tiny home run. 145 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm a seven pitch Shepherd gets some of. 146 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: Their little seventh fail doctors save. 147 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: Those are just a few of the highlights of the 148 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: big calls Joe Davis has had on a national stage 149 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: in the last three years, and thankfully a lot of 150 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: them are Dodger calls. But that Phillies, Diamondbacks NLCS, Joe 151 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: Davis made me want to watch it. And that call 152 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: that Bryce Harper home run to me, when you say 153 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: Joe Davis is probably the second or first call that 154 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: comes to mind, right after his call of Freddie Freeman's 155 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: walk off Grand Slam in Game one of the twenty 156 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: four World Series. So my point is, and this got 157 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: stirred up around the parade time and World Series. Look, 158 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: when Joe calls a die and them being in the 159 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: World Series and everybody having a lot of jealousy and 160 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: envy of the Dodgers, He's going to take the brunt 161 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: of it. He's never going to win, and Joe buck 162 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: faced the same thing. One team's fan base believes that 163 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: he's a homer for the other and vice versa, and 164 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: that just comes with the job. But I love Vin Scully. 165 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: I will keep Vin Scully's calls alive on Dodger Talk 166 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: as long as I'm doing it, no matter what day 167 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: of the week it is. But once you come to 168 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: the realization that there is never going to be another 169 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: Vin Scully and you can enjoy his calls all you want. 170 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: Joe is one of, if not the best, of the 171 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: current broadcasters in baseball right now. And don't let Mad 172 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: Dog Russo know that he was at FanFest hugging it 173 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: up with other players. But my point to all that 174 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: him hosting the parade maybe a little too soon for 175 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: everybody else. The World Series was over, he wasn't calling 176 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: it anymore. He went back to being the Dodger broadcaster, 177 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: and in fact, he was the Fox Sports broadcaster before 178 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: he was the Dodger broadcaster. So I just wanted to 179 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 1: set the record straight on all that. I never talk 180 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: about Joe but today you know that was my experience 181 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: in life, So just wanted to bring that up and 182 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: as we Vin Scully generation fans would try to replicate 183 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: his calls. Now kids ten eleven years old are doing 184 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: the same thing, but it's Joe Davis's calls that they're 185 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: replicating and trying to emulate. So just keep that perspective. 186 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: And in my mind, since Chick Hern and Vin Scully retired, 187 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: there's only two guys that have come close to you know, 188 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to say filling their shows, but I'll 189 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: just say this period, the two best Laker and Dodger 190 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: broadcasters since Chick and Vin retire, respectively, have been Spirodidis 191 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: and Joe Davis. Period. My apologies if I offend anybody else, 192 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: but that's that's facts, and that's the reason why the 193 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: Sigma Chi Los Angeles chapter Jim Lawson asked me to 194 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: write that letter. If I didn't like Joe Davis or 195 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: didn't respect him, or didn't think he was a good guy, hey, 196 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have showed up today, and first and foremost, 197 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have even give I would have ignored that 198 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: message that was sent to me via social media. So 199 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: that's the record, and hopefully you appreciate all our guys. 200 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: Tim Neverritt Stephen Nelson, Joe Davis, Rick Monday, who is 201 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: the longest active tenured Dodger broadcaster. Rick Monday's been in 202 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: the booth since nineteen ninety three. And this upcoming season 203 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: is going to be the fiftieth anniversary that Rick Monday 204 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: saved the American flag at Dodger Stadium. That's going to 205 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: be celebrated. So be ready and we will all celebrate 206 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: with Rick Monday. Eight six six, nine eighty seven two 207 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: five seventy is the phone number when we continue on 208 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: Dodger Talk your phone calls, and also I'll let you 209 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: know which former Dodger is available. Will the Dodgers bring 210 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: him home? We'll find out next right here on a 211 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: five to seventy LA Sports. Coming up in fifteen minutes, 212 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: you'll hear from former Major League umpire now MLB observer 213 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: quote observer Brian Gorman, who in some ways works with 214 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball and he knows all the rules, He's 215 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: briefed on all the rules and certainly had command or 216 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: he would not have lasted for thirty years. So Brian 217 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: Gorman is going to come up at seven thirty tonight, 218 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: and our next show is on Thursday night at seven o'clock, 219 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: Miguel Rojas and Max Munsey are going to join us. 220 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: Had a chance to catch up with them at Dodger Fest, 221 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: so we'll share that conversation on Thursday night. And in 222 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: case you missed any of our show, our three hour 223 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: bonanza at Dodger Fest this past Saturday, you can find 224 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: all three hours on the iHeartRadio app. Just find it 225 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: under Dodger Talk. You should make Dodger Talk a preset 226 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: and you can listen to us live every single game 227 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app and Dodger Talk and AM five 228 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: seventy LA Sports on the iHeartRadio app show Heo Tani, 229 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts, Roki Sasaki, they all joined us, 230 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: and Dave Roberts also joined us. And some of the 231 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: takeaways from Saturday, as far as newsworthy takeaways, was Freddy 232 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: Freeman's not doing the Worm anymore. And he said publicly 233 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: on the stage, not with us, but basically said what 234 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: he has told me privately last year that he wants 235 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: to play until forty and he wants to see how 236 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: close he can get to three thousand hits. I mean, 237 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: that's an important number for a guy that is considered 238 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: one of the best hitters of our generation and certainly 239 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: has Hall of Fame career and all over it. He 240 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: has two more years left on his deal, including this 241 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: upcoming season. I would love to see the Dodgers just 242 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: extend Freddy Freeman. I know the CBA is expiring at 243 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: the end of this year, but once that's all settled, 244 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: I don't want Freddy Freeman going into twenty twenty seven 245 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: as a lame duck player. Extend that guy make he 246 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: is a legacy player. I understand right now may not 247 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: be the right time, but going into twenty twenty seven, 248 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: when it's all settled and the dust is settled after 249 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: whatever happens when the CBA expires, Freddy Freeman should end 250 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: his career with the Dodgers. I know everybody's starting to think, oh, 251 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: it'd be great if he ended in Atlanta. Yeah, maybe 252 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: if you're a Braves fan, But if you're a Dodger fan, 253 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: it would be great if Freddy Freeman ended his career 254 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: with the Dodgers. Because I hate to break this to 255 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: all the Braves fan Braves fandom out there, Freddie Freeman's 256 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: two most signature moments in his career are with the Dodgers. Sorry. 257 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: I know he won a World Series championship with the 258 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: Braves and hit a big home run against the Astros, 259 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: But nothing's bigger than hitting the only walk off Grand 260 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: Slam in a World Series game against the Yankees with 261 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: the Dodgers, and then hitting a walk off home run 262 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: in an eighteen inning affair in last year's Game three. Sorry. 263 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: If you're a Braves fan and Freddie Freeman ends his 264 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: career the next four years as a Dodger, there's a 265 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: real argument to be made that Freddie Freeman should go 266 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: into Cooperstown with LA on his hat, not an A 267 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: but a Dodgers cap on his hat if he finishes 268 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: his career with the Dodgers. Now, don't get me started again. 269 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: We already set our piece on Carlos Beltran. The cheater 270 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: may can get into the Hall of Fame. I guess 271 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: cheaters are accepted now in Cooperstown. Whether you say Barry 272 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: Bonds cheated, well so did Carlos Beltran, and Carlos Beltran 273 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: was proven to cheat. He's going in with a Mets cap, 274 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: Jeff Kent's going in with the Mets Giants cap, and 275 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: whoever else? 276 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: Who? 277 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: Who else? Oh, Andrew Jones, who in my opinion, is 278 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: a marginal Hall of Famer going in with the Braves cap. 279 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: If defenses mean so much in center field, then Jim 280 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: Edmonds should be a Hall of Famer. How is Andrew 281 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: Jones and Carlos Beltran in the Hall of Fame? But 282 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: Steve Garvey's not and Morey Wills is not. Somebody has 283 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: to explain that to me. One day, eight six six nine, 284 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: eight seven, two five seventy is the phone number. Let's 285 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: go out to Long Beach. David, You're on Dodger Talk. 286 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: How you doing good, David? How are you great day today? David? 287 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: Start to finish. 288 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, you know, even though it's the off season, 289 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 4: I appreciate you doing, you know, taking the time of 290 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 4: doing this program. But I did want to comment on 291 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 4: something you said about Vin Scully, you know, and Chick Hearn. 292 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 4: I totally agree with you. They'll never be another Vinscully. 293 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 4: They'll never be another Chick hern. And the good thing 294 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 4: about them is whether the Dodgers were playing a bad 295 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 4: game or if the Lakers were playing a bad game, 296 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 4: they weren't afraid to call it as they saw, you know, 297 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 4: and that's what made the game so enjoyable because they 298 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 4: call it as they saw. They don't try to sugarcoat anything. 299 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: You know, they keep it real one hundred percent. But 300 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: you know what they I agree with you. They weren't homers, 301 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: but you knew that they had the Lakers and Dodgers 302 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: in their hearts. They never said we. Chick was a 303 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: little more homer Ish than Vin Scully ever was. But 304 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: that was Chick. 305 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 2: That was. 306 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: Everything that Chick was was great. And I learned from them. 307 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 4: We all. 308 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: I grew up listening to them, and that's why I'm 309 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: a big believer and never sing we, and I never 310 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: you know right now with the Dodgers. Have I ever 311 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: put on the U, have I ever thrown a pitch? 312 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: Have I ever tore up a knee? It's not we. 313 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: If you're a broadcaster, it's the Dodgers. We all know 314 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: Dodgers and people associated with the Dodgers have a rooting 315 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: interest to a certain extent. But that's what Vin, Bob 316 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: Miller and Chick Hern had. But they never were overtly Homers, 317 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: and that's why we love them. And I think Joe 318 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: Davis is similar to that. 319 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 4: Totally agree with you, David thanks for the time, all. 320 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: Right, thank you. David, and Rick Monday and Charlie Steiner 321 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: are like that as well. I mean they've been a 322 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: staying power for what twenty five years now they've been together. 323 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: That's why I wouldn't say they ever replaced Vin Scully. 324 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: They were there when Vin Scully was broadcasting. They never 325 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: took over for Vin Scully except after the simulcast was 326 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: over the first three innings. Let's go out to Mike 327 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: in Hollywood. You're on Dodger Talk with David vasse Hi. 328 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 5: Mike, he did great to talk to you. 329 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 4: Same listen. 330 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 5: You were just talking about Andrew Jones in the Hall 331 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 5: of Fame. I have been rankled for the last week. 332 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 5: We can have him stay announced this. I know what 333 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 5: he did his first twelve years of The Brave, and 334 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 5: he had some really great moments, but I at his 335 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 5: age thirty one season, I've just noticeded such a hall 336 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 5: a drop off from a Hall of Fame player as 337 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 5: what he did his here with the Dodgers. And maybe 338 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 5: it's sour grapes on my part, but it just kills 339 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 5: me to see that guy going to the Hall of Fame. 340 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 5: It was so horrible to watch live and in person. 341 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 5: And I know you remember what I'm talking about. 342 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think one year should be held against 343 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: a player if they're Hall of Fame worthy. But I 344 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: just never thought Andrew Jones. See, I'm a small Hall 345 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: of Fame type of guy. I'm not a big Hall 346 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: of Fame guy. And Andrew Jones is in the big 347 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame like Harold Baines and Bill Mazeroski and 348 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: now Carlos Beltran, Scott Rolling, all those guys shouldn't be 349 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. I'm a small Hall of 350 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: Fame type of guy. Sorry. And they keep changing the rules, right, Mike, 351 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: they keep telling us peak six years. Really, when did 352 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: we start hearing about that? Oh, because you wanted to 353 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: change in the narrative. And if they put in Chase Uttley, 354 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: and I love Chase Uttley, great guy, really good player. 355 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: But if they put Chase Uttley in the Hall of Fame, 356 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: then there's no reason no. Mar Garcia Paras shouldn't be 357 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame either. Their numbers are similar, 358 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: except Chase Uttley was a lifetime two seventy seven hitter, 359 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: while Nomar won two batting titles and is a lifetime 360 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: three thirteen hitter. So now they're trying to push for 361 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: Chase Utley and changing the narrative for Chase Uttley. 362 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 5: What Dave and you know what, it took so long 363 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 5: for Jeff Kent to get in most home runs by 364 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 5: a second baseman. Now he's finally going to get his due. 365 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: It should have been in a long time ago. 366 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 5: They keep yeah, they keep chasing. Oh it's this. Oh 367 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 5: it's his defense. Oh it's this, It's that they keep 368 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 5: changing the mirror. Just just make a call, you know. 369 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, I'm not going until Kershaw's inducted. But Mike, 370 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: I thought, Bob Costas said a great thing. We're getting 371 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: into a very dangerous area of voting for the Hall 372 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: of Fame because we're getting to the point, well, if 373 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: he's in, then why isn't he in? And when you 374 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: do that, then all of a sudden, you're starting to 375 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: lower the standard of players. And I think that's where 376 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: the voters have gotten to, letting some of these players in, 377 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,479 Speaker 1: starting with Scott Roland. 378 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, that guy never feels like a Hall of 379 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 5: Famer to me. I nothing against him. Had a great career, 380 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 5: But can you tell the story of baseball without talking 381 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 5: about Scott Rowland. Of course you can't. 382 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, just because I don't believe you're a Hall of 383 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: Famer doesn't mean you had a really, really good career. 384 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: People seem to get that twisted. Mike. I wish I 385 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: had something to get you. You're a reasonable caller, call 386 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: back any time. 387 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 4: I talk to you. 388 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 3: Day. 389 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: All right, Mike, thank you. Yeah. I feel like we're 390 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: getting into a big hall of fame. And what separated 391 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: the Baseball Hall of Fame from the Football Hall of 392 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: Fame and certainly the Pro Basketball Hall of Fame was 393 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: that there was a little bit of a higher standard 394 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: to be enshrined in Cooperstown. And now it's starting to 395 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: become like the Pro Football Hall of Fame and certainly 396 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: the Pro Basketball Hall of Fame. Nobody allows more people 397 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: in than the Pro Basketball Hall of Fame. So uh, yeah, 398 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,239 Speaker 1: that's how I feel on it. And honestly, uh, if 399 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: you start allowing some of these players to get in, 400 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: you're taking the specialness away from the Hall of Fame 401 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: and being and having a plaque there. Eight six six nine, 402 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: eight seven two five seventy is the phone number coming 403 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: up in five minutes. Brian Gorman is going to call in. Oh, 404 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: here we go. All right, Before we go to break, 405 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to let you know what former Dodger is 406 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: available again. Remember fan favorite Ben Rourtfitt who filled in 407 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: for Will Smith so well, well, well, the Dodgers gave 408 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: him a contract, but then there was a roster crunch 409 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: and they had to take him off the forty man 410 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: roster and try to get him through waivers. The Reds 411 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: picked him up even with a one point two million 412 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: dollars salary. Well, the Reds made it official, Sonny Huguenio 413 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: Suarez to that one year, fifteen million dollar contract, Rortfit 414 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: was designated for assignment. Ben Roortfitt is available, but still 415 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: there is a waiver priority and the Dodgers' forty man 416 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: roster is full right now, so they would have to 417 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: clear a forty man spot, and also Rotfit would have 418 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: to go through all the other teams. Feels like when 419 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: you play for the Dodgers, even if your Ben Rohortfitt, 420 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: other teams notice. So we'll see if he clears waivers 421 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: and if the Dodgers bring him back. If not, Dalton 422 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: Rushing more than capable, all right, Brian Gorman, Major League 423 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: Umpire's gonna fill us in on this new automated strike 424 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: zone that's coming into play in twenty twenty six. Don't 425 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: go anywhere more Dodger Talk around the Corner on AM 426 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: five seventy LA Sports. David Vasse Dodger Talk with you 427 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 1: until eight o'clock tonight here on AM five to seventy 428 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: LA Sports. In case you missed any of our show 429 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: from this past Saturday at Dodger Fest, you can find 430 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: that on the iHeartRadio app. And our next show will 431 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: be on Thursday night at seven o'clock and we'll share 432 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: some of those interviews with you that we couldn't share 433 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: on Saturday, including Max Munsey and Miguel Rojas. So you 434 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: don't want to miss that show at seven o'clock with 435 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: Max Munsey and Miguel Rojas. But like I mentioned in 436 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: our last segment, there are going to be more changes 437 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: to rules in Major League Baseball to basically generate more offense. 438 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: And we saw it in spring training last year, the 439 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: ABS system where the hitter or the catcher can challenge 440 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: a ball or strike and you only have two per game, 441 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: and talking to some guys that experienced this in the 442 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: minor leagues. They believe it's going to force pitchers to 443 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: come more into the strike zone. So we'll see how 444 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: it plays out. But we are joined right now by 445 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: one of Major League Baseball's observers. He certainly has observed 446 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: a lot of baseball because he was an umpire in 447 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball for thirty seasons, three thousand, four hundred 448 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: and thirty games. Umpired to be exact, and that is 449 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: the one and only Brian Gorman. Brian, thanks a lot 450 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: for the time, appreciate it. 451 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: That's great to be on. 452 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: So as we get closer to spring training, pitchers and 453 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: catchers are reporting the day before Valentine's Day, I felt 454 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: like this was a good night to remind fans that 455 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: there are going to be more new nuances to the 456 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: game of base ball. How do you feel about this 457 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: ABS system from an umpire standpoint. 458 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is going to be big this season. 459 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 2: The biggest thing that I see about the ABS system 460 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 2: is the number of challenges each team have two challenges 461 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: per team for nine innings is really not that many, 462 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 2: so you really have to be careful when you use them. 463 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 2: So the strategy is really don't be so selfish in 464 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: using one when you got nobody on and two outs 465 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 2: and then you think a pitch is missed and you 466 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: challenge it, and then you're wrong and you lose that challenge. 467 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: Where you have a guy on second and third and 468 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: one out, you might want to be you use that challenge. 469 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 2: You don't want to lose it. So now the pitcher, catcher, 470 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 2: and batter have to do it immediately. There's no delay 471 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: and there's no signals from the dugout or anything like that. 472 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 2: So the batter, pitcher and catcher have to challenge it 473 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: immediately right after the pitch is called. So that that 474 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: what's that even more strategy because you have to be 475 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 2: careful when not to lose a challenge. So the situation 476 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: is important, and you don't want to run out of 477 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: challenges when it comes that you need one in the 478 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: in the ninth inning, when you get some you're down 479 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 2: a couple of runs and you have some guys on base. 480 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: So just to be clear, you have two challenges for 481 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: all nine innings. No challenges are going to be added 482 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: in the ninth inning. What if extra innings occur. 483 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: I think they have decided to maybe add a challenge 484 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: if you still have your two challenges left. There's no 485 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 2: change in it. But if you're out of challenges, you're 486 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 2: thinking about adding a challenge. You if you if you 487 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: have one challenge left and it's the top of the 488 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: tenth inning, then you still have a challenge left. So 489 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 2: the biggest thing is like, if you're right on a 490 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: challenge and you get the call reversed, you keep that challenge. 491 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: But there has to be a penalty or they would 492 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: challenge every pitch for sure. So if you're wrong on 493 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 2: the challenge and the and the umpire got it right, 494 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: you're down to one challenge. So and so that's that's 495 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 2: the strategy part of it. 496 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: So we saw this in spring training last year. The 497 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: spring training facilities that had you know, the video scoreboards, 498 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: you would see where the pitch was and you would 499 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: know pretty quickly. I know, you have to challenge quickly. 500 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: How quickly is the process to keep the game moving, 501 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: whether it's a ball or strike. 502 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: That's the key. You have to do it immediately. So 503 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 2: you have to be sure that the pitch was messed. 504 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: If you just like, go that was closed, I'm going 505 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: to challenge it, you might lose that challenge and you'll see. 506 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 2: You know, the umpires are so good that, you know, 507 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: people all realize this. Ninety five to ninety seven percent 508 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 2: of the pitch is called are correct. So when you 509 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 2: use your challenge, you're challenging you know, three percent of 510 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 2: the calls of the pitches thrown that day. So you 511 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 2: better be right if you want to if you want 512 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: to save your challenges. 513 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: That's the voice a veteran Major League baseball umpire Brian Gorman. Now, Brian, 514 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: I've talked to players that have experienced the ABS system 515 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: in the minor leagues, and the one thing they point 516 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: out about this that may be a flaw is that 517 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: David Vas say strike zone is different than let's say, 518 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: Brian Gorman strike zone. Does this automated strike zone take 519 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: into account, you know, different batting stances like let's say 520 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: Ricky Henderson or Pete Rose compared to Cody Bellinger. 521 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, the formula that they came up with is going 522 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: to be based on the player's height, where a percentage 523 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: of the lower percentage of the strike zone is based 524 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 2: on the on the player's height, and the upper percentage 525 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 2: of the strike zone is based on the player's height. 526 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,959 Speaker 2: So it will change depending on the taller player as 527 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 2: opposed to a shorter player. East and west doesn't change. 528 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 2: It's still the seventeen inches. So the higher end of 529 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: the strike zone and the lower end of the strike 530 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: zone will be adjusted for each player. 531 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: Now, when you say a player's height, I mean Pete 532 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: Rose was whatever he was, Ricky Henderson was whatever he 533 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: was standing tall, But once they got into the back 534 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: box and had that exaggerated bend over batting stands, their 535 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: height was significantly different. Are we talking about batting stands height? 536 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: Are we talking what they're listed in your program? 537 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: We're talking. We're talking about the player's height when discussing 538 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 2: the strike zone as this, if he's swinging at the 539 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: pitch like you know, if you're a player and you 540 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 2: just stand straight up, that has nothing to do with 541 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 2: your strike sound. Your strike zone is determined as you're 542 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: trying to strike at the pitch, So it changes lower 543 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: in the upper end, in the lower end because your 544 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 2: knees don't go any lower. But as you as you 545 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: strike and swing to hit the pitch, that's what determines 546 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 2: your upper and lower of the strike zone. So this 547 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 2: formula they came up with is you know they're gonna 548 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 2: they're gonna go with it, so I hope it works. 549 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: We'll see in spring training. 550 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: Do you feel like there might be some tweaks during 551 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: the season or is this the technology the system depending 552 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: on you know, if players start to complain about what 553 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: their actual strike. 554 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 2: Zone is, right, it's gonna it's gonna be an adjustment 555 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 2: for everybody because they're gonna there's gonna be players saying, no, 556 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 2: you know, my strike zune's too high or my strikes 557 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 2: onus too low. But this is the formula can't came 558 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 2: up with, and you know they have the ability to 559 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: tweak it. But you know that's that's much higher than 560 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: my pay grade when those decisions are made. 561 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: No doubt, no doubt. Brian Gorman is our guest. He's 562 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: one of Major League Baseball's observers. He's at Dodgers Stadium 563 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: every game, watching the games, observing the umpires and a 564 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: guy that umpired three thy four hundred and thirty games. Now, Brian, 565 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: I remember one spring training game that the Dodgers were 566 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: playing and Austin Barnes, who is known to have a 567 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: great awareness of the strike zone, challenge four consecutive pitches 568 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: and got them correct all four if that happens in 569 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: a major league game, how much do does the homeplate 570 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: umpires start to question himself? Is that one of the 571 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: unintended consequences of technology that all of a sudden a 572 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: major league umpire may not have the confidence to call 573 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: balls and strikes? Could an umpire go into a slump 574 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: in that type of situation? 575 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 2: Oh, without question? What I saw is I'm glad, I'm 576 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 2: glad I'm retired when this happened. Yeah, it's like you 577 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 2: get having, you know, first pitch of the game being challenged, 578 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 2: and you lose it that you know that would hurt you, 579 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 2: that that searcher, you know, it gets in your head 580 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 2: and says, oh my god, I got you know, two 581 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five more pitches to call. But yeah, 582 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 2: we'll see. I think, I think, I hope that what 583 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 2: I said earlier about the ninety five percent of the 584 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 2: pitches are called correctly. But I'm sure, I'm sure we'll 585 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 2: have a situation where where there's you know, six or 586 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 2: seven challenges early in the game and then and they've 587 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: all been overturned, and it might be a long It's 588 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,760 Speaker 2: going to be a long night for some umpires. 589 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: So Brian on the flip side, this might be validation 590 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: for Major league gumpire to say, hey, this is proof 591 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: we don't need a Twitter account to show our scorecard 592 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: that's out there publicly. This will be proof that we're 593 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: pretty good at our job. 594 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 2: Right. I think that's happened in the minor leagues. There 595 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 2: were a lot of these challenges. I think only about 596 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 2: half of them were successful, so that means that the 597 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,479 Speaker 2: other half the umpire got it right. So you're gonna 598 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 2: see even the pitches that are missed are probably missed 599 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 2: within an inch of the play. Either either they just 600 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 2: catch the corner or they're just slightly off the corner 601 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 2: and that pitch was challenged. You're not going to see 602 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 2: the pitch that's, you know, fourth five inches outside that 603 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 2: you know, because they you know. I'm sure it happens 604 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 2: once in a while, but not not very often. 605 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: So have you seen how this works in minor league games? 606 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 2: Brian, Yeah, yeah, I went to I probably went to 607 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 2: about two dozen minor league games last year, and it's 608 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 2: pretty good. I thought it would slow the game down. 609 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 2: It doesn't seem to slow game down. I think I've 610 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: only the most I've seenallenge was probably like maybe five 611 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 2: or six a game, So I don't know what the 612 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 2: average is, but that's for a nine to any game. 613 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 2: I don't think that's many. And about half of those 614 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 2: who were successful and then the other half the umpire 615 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 2: got it right. So it didn't really affect the game 616 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 2: time or that, you know, the enthusiasm of the fans raiming, 617 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 2: and it just kind of banded a little bit to 618 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 2: the strategy and and you know, obviously the fans wanted 619 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 2: and you know what the fans. What the fans want, 620 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 2: they usually get. So that's, uh, that's why we all 621 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 2: go out there. 622 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, people in spring training last year enjoyed it, so 623 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't It didn't get bad feedback. Fans enjoyed it. 624 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: And Dalton Rushing, who had the unique experience of being 625 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: a catcher and a hitter in the minor leagues with 626 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: all this going on, was a little torn. When I 627 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: asked him about this last year, he said, as a catcher, 628 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: I don't really love it because pitchers are forced to 629 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: throw more in the strike zone, But as a hitter, 630 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: I love it for that same reason. Did you see 631 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: more offense? Did you see the pitchers have to fill 632 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: up the strike zone more. 633 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna spur a little offense, you know, 634 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 2: in the long run, that's what they want. You know, 635 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 2: they want more stolen bases. They love about two years 636 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 2: ago they did a survey with all the players, and 637 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 2: you know, the triple was the number one thing, and 638 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 2: I think stolen bases was number two. So that's why 639 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 2: they made the base the bases bigger, and they limited 640 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 2: you know, step offs for pitchers. So people want to 641 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 2: see runs. So that's why most of these these rules 642 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 2: changes are. 643 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Everybody loves the offense. Chicks dig 644 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: the long ball, as they used to say when Mark 645 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: McGuire was playing. Brian Gorman is our guest from the 646 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: Canaje Valley. That's where he hangs out these days. But 647 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: Brian Gorman's not only here to talk about the rules, 648 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: He's here to talk about games at the umpire that 649 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 1: involved Dodger history. Back in May of two thousand and two, 650 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: Sean Green hit four home runs and he had a 651 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 1: major league record nineteen total bases and our guy, Brian 652 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: Gorman was behind the plate that day in Milwaukee. What 653 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: do you remember about that day as a home plate 654 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: umpire and unbiased observer in that situation. 655 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,240 Speaker 2: He had a pretty good evening. It's kind of funny 656 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 2: because to be part of history and you don't have 657 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 2: to do anything. Every time he got to the plate. 658 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 2: I don't even think I called the pitch on him. 659 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 2: He swung him four of it went over the fence. 660 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 2: So but yeah, he had a pretty good night. 661 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: Are you aware as an umpire about a player having 662 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,959 Speaker 1: that type of game or are you focused pitch to pitch? 663 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't. I didn't know he broke the record 664 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 2: until probably a couple of days later. Obviously, you know 665 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 2: he's having a pretty good night when he hit the 666 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,399 Speaker 2: second home run, then he hit his third home run, 667 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 2: then he hits his fourth home run. But apparently it 668 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 2: was something like nineteen nineteen total bases and he had 669 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 2: a couple guys on. I think he set the RBI 670 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 2: record and all that stuff. So yeah, he at his 671 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 2: weedies that boy. 672 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: I'll ask you this question too. Milwaukee is known as 673 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,879 Speaker 1: a hitters ballpark, as Sean Green can attest to, if 674 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: it's a hitters ballpark, does that mean it's easier to 675 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: see the baseball and the strike zone If you're a 676 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: home played umpire, in a ballpark like. 677 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 2: That, Not really. I think most of most of the 678 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 2: ballparks have a good we call it background where they 679 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 2: have you know, the green or the dark dark blue 680 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 2: background where dead center fields. You know, the hitters use 681 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 2: it as well. And most of the time these ballparks 682 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 2: are pretty uniform with the background. Sometimes on a day 683 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 2: game like and Wriglarly, sometimes they take some of the 684 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 2: tarps off and they put fans in there, and that 685 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 2: might make it a little bit difficult to track a ball, 686 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 2: track a pitch, But most of the ballparks have good backgrounds. 687 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 4: All right. Good to know. 688 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: Hey, Brian Gorman, thank you so much for coming on. 689 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: You always educate us, and this is something fans should 690 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: be prepared for because it's going to be part of 691 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: their game during the regular season that matters. So it's 692 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,359 Speaker 1: just a good heads up on what's to come as 693 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: we get closer to spring training. So thank you so much. 694 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 1: How this develops, no doubt, and maybe I'll see you 695 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: up there in the Canejo Valley soon. 696 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 2: I will be out there. I'll be up in the 697 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 2: press box. Have an ice cream? 698 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: All right, sounds good, Brian, Thanks for. 699 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 2: The time, all right, thank you there he goes. 700 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball veteran umpire, Brian Gorman. He's what they 701 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: call now a Major League Baseball observer. Basically, he's there 702 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: to monitor the umpires, seeing how the flow of the 703 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: game goes. He's not a supervisor, but a Major League 704 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 1: Baseball observer, a man that umpired three thousan four hundred 705 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: and thirty games in his thirty years in Major League baseball. 706 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 1: So thank you to Brian Gorman. Always great to see 707 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: him at Dodgers Stadium. And look, this is something that 708 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: you have to be aware of if you're a baseball fan, 709 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: that the game is going to change for more offense. 710 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: But like I mentioned to him, and it seems like 711 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: he didn't even have the answer to the question about 712 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: different stances requires different strike zones. I don't know what 713 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,359 Speaker 1: Ricky Henderson's height was standing up, but it certainly wasn't 714 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: the same when he was at the plate because he 715 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 1: had that bent over backwards kind of batting stance, bent 716 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: over forwards batting stand similar to Pete Rose, who wasn't 717 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: a big guy, but even smaller when he was in 718 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: the batter's box. Think back to or think now to 719 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: let's say Cody Bellinger, who stands straight up, he's a 720 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: lot different. His strike zone is a lot different than 721 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 1: Freddie Freeman's, who is a tall guy six' four six,' 722 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: five but when he's in his, batting stance he is 723 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: not six' four. OR six' five i believe that would 724 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: be that would be the great example, of a player's 725 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: height if the player's height is going to, determine, Their 726 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: Strike zone well freddy freeman's height in the media guide 727 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: and in the program and online is A Lot different than. 728 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: Freddie freeman's strike zone when he's bent at the knees 729 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,280 Speaker 1: and basically two or three inches, squatted towards the ground 730 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: his strike zone is a lot different than it would be, 731 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,359 Speaker 1: standing up and Look It sounded like brian gorman had 732 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: the same questions but obviously doesn't want to get In 733 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: Hot Water with major league, baseball because he said if 734 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: you go back to, listen to that interview that's, above 735 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: his pay grade and going back the, last couple of 736 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: years even major league players that were on rehab assignment, would, 737 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: tell me that yeah, it's a great idea but they 738 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: still haven't. Perfected everybody's Strike Zone what is. Jock peterson's 739 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: Strike Zone what is? Max Munsey's strike zone because munsey 740 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,800 Speaker 1: bends his knees quite a, Bit at the plate so 741 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 1: whatever it is height is when he's being, measured for 742 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,360 Speaker 1: this technology is not his strike zone when. He's at the, 743 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 1: plate so to me that is going to be the 744 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 1: biggest question in spring training and as we transition into 745 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: games that count and. This, Technology In play also brian 746 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 1: gorman pointed out that there are just two challenges per, 747 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: team for nine innings maybe an extra one. Added for 748 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: extra innings but do they have to have a team? 749 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: Meeting in the dugout there's certainly players on every team 750 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: that believe that every pitch that's called a strike. Is 751 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: not a strike there are certainly pitchers that believe every 752 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 1: call against. Them should be challenged so who is going 753 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,760 Speaker 1: to be in? Charge Of All that is dave roberts 754 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: going to have? To have a meeting are they going 755 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: to have to have a hitters meeting and discuss this 756 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: amongst their game plan, against not only pitchers but also 757 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: their game plan as it comes to who's allowed to 758 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: challenge or when. They're going to challenge so there are 759 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: some things and if there is a player that burns 760 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: the challenges and they don't have any at the. End 761 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 1: of the game is there going to be some issues 762 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: in that clubhouse against that player that was over? Zealous 763 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: with THE challenges and Like I, mentioned the brian gorman. 764 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 1: Here's another, Unintended Consequence you know austin barnes had four 765 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: consecutive challenges correct that shook that umpire that day in. 766 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,800 Speaker 1: Spring training last year you can see. An umpire's confidence 767 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: waiver if that, were to happen again because we saw 768 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: It Happen at camel back ranch in, a spring training 769 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,399 Speaker 1: game how is that going to play out in front 770 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: Of Fifty. Thousand at dodger stadium that's. Going to be 771 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: interesting so there are a lot of unintended consequences and 772 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: something you shoul be AWARE Of that The Abs automated 773 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: strike zone challenge system is coming into Play This Year, 774 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: in major league baseball and the way it's going to 775 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: work is if a, player challenges the pitch whether it's 776 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: a ball, or strike against them they're going to tap 777 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 1: their helmet and you're going To see, it on dodger 778 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 1: vision the computer version, the automated strike zone whether or 779 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 1: not it was a ball or strike and that's going 780 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 1: to be shown in the, stadium and on television so. 781 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: Be ready for that everybody's talking about a lockout that 782 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: may or may not even happen over. A year from 783 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: now how about talk about what's happening in the here 784 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 1: and now that is Significantly Going to alter major league, 785 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 1: games between the lines and that's. This automated strike zone so. 786 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: A lot to consider in case you Missed That, conversation 787 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: with brian gorman you can Find it. On the iHeartRadio 788 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: app we'll be Back with you on thursday. Night at 789 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,320 Speaker 1: seven O'clock You'll hear From Max. Munsey and miguel rojas 790 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 1: had a chance to. Catch up with them we'll Share those. 791 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 1: Conversations on Thursday Night thanks to ronnie foscio. For all 792 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: his help thanks. 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