1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: It's Night's Eye with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Mazy 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Boston's news Radio. 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: Welcome on in, everybody to a Wednesday night, middle of 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: the week edition of Nightside. My name is Dan Ray. 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: Whereb Brooks, the producer of Nightside, is back in the 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: control room in Midford headquarters. Rob sets you up with 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: phone calls beginning at nine o'clock. We're gonna talk about 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: a couple of different topics tonight. At nine and ten 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: we will get to those. I promise we have four 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: really interesting guests here in the first hour. We're going 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: to get to them as well. Again, we have lots 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: to cover tonight, and I hope that all of you 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: will stick with us all the way until just before midnight. 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: We're going to talk with Kevin Paul DuPont at the 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: Boston Globe in just a moment. A little bit later on, 16 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about crushing your hidden limitations with 17 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: an author and motivational speaker. Talk with Mark shield Drop 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: about the end of the year, travel over Christmas honaka 19 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: Kwanza in New Year's and then we'll talk about a 20 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: breakout of global whooping, Global breakout of whooping cough resurgence 21 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: after the COVID lull you. I'm going to talk with 22 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: doctor Shira DuRane Doran of Tough's Medicine and Hospital Epidemiologists 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: at Tofts Medical Center. But first we're going to talk 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: about something that I love to talk about and I 25 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: know that Kevin DuPont has loved writing about it for 26 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:29,639 Speaker 2: his legendary career with the Austin Globe. Hey, Kevin, welcome 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 2: back to Nightside. How are you, sir? 28 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 3: I'm doing well, Dan. Thanks, great to be with you. 29 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: Well, great to have you back. You are, in my book, 30 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame hockey writer. You will always be 31 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame hockey writer. I don't know if 32 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: there's a spot in the hall for hockey writers, but 33 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: they should have a whole wing for Kevin Paul DuPont 34 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: in my opinion, Little little little bias there, but that's 35 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: the way I feel. You've been covering the Bruins since when. 36 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to make it sound old, 37 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: but we've both been o a while. When did you 38 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: start there? 39 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: We have ready for since the Bronze era. Dam so, 40 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 3: Actually my first year was Don Cherry's last. I don't 41 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 3: think there's a direct connection there, but so that would have. 42 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: Been seventy nine. 43 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 3: The exactly seventy nine was his last game behind the bench. 44 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 3: You'll remember that was the too many men on the 45 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 3: ice game at the Forum. So I actually came aboard 46 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: in late seventy eight. 47 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: Cherry let me play goal in a Bruins intersquad game 48 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 2: back in seventy eight when we did some I did 49 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: sort of a George Blinton piece, had a lot of 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: fun and he was real. Nate Greenberg set it up, 51 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: but Cherry had to give the final I think he 52 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 2: probably consulted with his dog Blue, who gave the final authorization, 53 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: and it was It was a great experience for a 54 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: guy who played some goal in high school and a 55 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: very little oh yeah college. So let's talk about this 56 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: edition of the Big Bad Bruins. They're doing better than 57 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: I thought. They're certainly doing better than I thought after 58 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: that kind of down to the dump start in October 59 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: and early November. 60 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, they had they won the first three out of 61 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: the gate, but then they lost six and they really 62 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 3: had no shape, no identity, And I would say over 63 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: the last three weeks they've gained an identity and they're feisty, 64 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: they're in the mix here they're they're you know, if 65 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 3: you look at the eastern standing and of course you 66 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: need a key to decipher it, but ultimately it comes 67 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: down to there, they're in a three legged race right 68 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 3: now for that seven eight nine spot and uh with 69 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: Islanders and Red Wings that they're on track for about 70 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: ninety five points and and you know that that should 71 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: put that you know, if they keep up this pace, 72 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 3: they should be in the playoffs. And I think a 73 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 3: lot of people will think that's that's that's pretty good 74 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: for the year that was really you know, triggered by 75 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: in March selling off a lot of their parts, making 76 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: this a rebuild year. 77 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's better than last year, that's for sure. 78 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: I like that. I like the team that I'm not 79 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: as familiar with the players. There's so many turnovers. Obviously 80 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: the goaltenders are the ones that I'd like to watch. 81 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: Swaymen seems to be back in good form except for 82 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: the Rangers game. Everybody, every goltender has a bad game 83 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: here there I had many bad games and it wasn't 84 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: playing anywhere near that level. But he's been remarkably consistent, 85 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: so that's a great sign. Pastor acts coming back and 86 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: McAvoy's well Pastrinak is back, he played last night and 87 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 2: McAvoy is getting closer. That was a pretty nasty injury 88 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: that Charlie McAvoy suffered. 89 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 3: It was, yeah, there's no in Montreal, November fifteenth. It 90 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: was a deflection and no adopt Dobson shot. You know 91 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: it growed up. You've seen it a million times, but 92 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 3: you don't see that result a million times. It was 93 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: a nasty knocked out a few teeth, gave him a 94 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: facial fracture. So I got to say, here we are 95 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: three week later and he is talking about about coming 96 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: back and coming back on this road trip the next 97 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: game or two. I don't know if that's wise. I'm 98 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: not a doctor, but just just having watched professional sports 99 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 3: for all these decades now, usually you want a guy 100 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: to get at least six weeks to get mended. He's 101 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: not back on solid food yet of any consequence, so 102 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 3: he's he's lost around twenty pounds. So a nasty, nasty injury, 103 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: as broken jaws and facial fractures usually are. So we'll see. 104 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: I give him full credit for even wanting to come back. 105 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: I wonder as an amateur physician here. You know how 106 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 3: prudent it is for a guy to get right back in. 107 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 2: Well, what my question is, why not wear masks that 108 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: give full coverage? At this point? There have been so 109 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 2: many these incidents. I mean, you and I remember I 110 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,239 Speaker 2: remember going to games where nobody was wearing a helmet 111 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: on the ice other than the goaltender. It was a 112 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 2: puriity time goaltenders wearing helmets and masks. Uh, and slowly 113 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: but surely, uh, you know, masks and and half half visors. 114 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 2: But the speed at which the game is played, the 115 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: power of these guys are all you know, the d 116 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 2: man are muscle men, and and they're firing that puck 117 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: at a tremendous speed. And I just don't understand why 118 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: any player in the NHL doesn't wear a full face 119 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 2: shield of some sort. Are we going to get to 120 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: that point? Do you think with the league's going to 121 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: mandate that. 122 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: I think, you know, it makes ultimate sense to I agree. 123 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: And if McAvoy does come back, he'll be allowed to 124 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: wear what they call the full bubble because he's he's injured. 125 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: But unless you've got that, the most they allow now 126 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: is the is the visor. But I would think the 127 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: day will come. Part of the argument against these guys 128 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: having a full face shield is that they then will 129 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: use their face to block shots literally and if a 130 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: scene this in college, drop down to the ice and 131 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 3: use their face as a way to deflect shots. So 132 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 3: that's that's part of the argument against it. But I 133 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: think overall it makes great sense to always to protect. 134 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 3: But again, you and I both followed it from way back. 135 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: There was a culture that at one time to put 136 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 3: on a helmet you were sort of looked at as 137 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: a coward. This was just as to wear a helmet, 138 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: And of course now then they got mandated in the 139 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: late seventies, start of the eighties, and now no one 140 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 3: thinks of it. No one thinks, you know, you would 141 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 3: think it would be crazy to get there get out 142 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: there without it. 143 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: Well, I think I think Gordi how who played well 144 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: into the eighties and into his late fifties with the 145 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: Wheelers and the Wha with his sons. I don't think 146 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: Gordy however, wore a helmet or anything. 147 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: No, No, those guys were grandfathered. They could the last 148 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 3: guy to wear the last guy to go without it. 149 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 3: Here was it was Craig McTavish, former Bruin, but thankfully 150 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: it's a ans. And you know, there were arguments there 151 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 3: about whether the game was better with the helmet without 152 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: players take a fewer risks. 153 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: And by the way, when when I was grandfather, he 154 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: was an actual grandfather at that point. I mean, when 155 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: you think about it, so we're so absent some more, 156 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: you know, significant injury. I mean, they've got geeky kind 157 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: of now players other teams have to watch hell for 158 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: geeky as well as Pastanak. Last year it looked like 159 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: everybody could just kind of hang around Pasternak, and the 160 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: Bruins now seem to be able. Then they can score 161 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: four or five goals in the game, as they've done 162 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: twice against the Blues. In the last week. They go 163 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: up to Winnipeg. I don't even I have no idea 164 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: how Winnipeg is this year. I haven't even looked at 165 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: the standings in the Western Conference. A year ago, they 166 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: were pretty good. Have they maintained them? Are they pretty? 167 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 2: Are they going to be a tough game at home 168 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: tomorrow night? 169 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 3: It should well? Who knows, there are no easy knights 170 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: in this league. But I would say the Jets are 171 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: down this year. Part of it is that their their 172 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 3: number one goaltender, hell of it, Connor Hellibuck, who played 173 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 3: here at UMass Lowell. 174 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 4: He's been injured. 175 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: He's out now for another four weeks. So they've had 176 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: a tough time getting going. So I'd say they're vulnerable 177 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: right now. But it's hockey. You just never know on 178 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 3: a nightly basis. That said, going in at least, at 179 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 3: least on the betting line, I assume the Bruins would 180 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: be favored. 181 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 2: So I'm projecting the Bruins to win, to have fifty 182 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: wins at the end of the year. Is that unrealistic? 183 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 3: I think that's a bit of a stretch, you know. 184 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 3: Fifty wins would be one hundred points. Yeah, and we'll 185 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 3: figure another pick up another ten points. 186 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 5: I think one hundred and tenths. 187 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: I think they're somewhere. As they're playing now, they're a 188 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 3: ninety five point team. Could they get to one hundred? Yeah? 189 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 3: That kind of validates your points, you know, how you 190 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 3: get to that hundred point map might not be by 191 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 3: fifty wins, but they could. I suppose they could win 192 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 3: forty forty five games and cheat up to one hundred points. 193 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know you have ten you know, over 194 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: time losses and you get the point out of the 195 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: overtime losses. Maybe they haven't had many overtime games as 196 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 2: if I recall correctly, but hey, they're gonna do a 197 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: lot more fun to watch. The garden's been rocking with 198 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 2: the Bruins and you've got one of the best seats 199 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: in the house. Uh are you traveling much of these 200 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: guys this year? And no, have you cut back on that, Kevin. 201 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 3: I've got a great partner Jim McBride, so we we 202 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: pretty much split the road good. And as the old 203 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: guy you get, let me look. 204 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: You guess the bride's in Winnipeg. You are right, sir, 205 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 2: All right, good for you, Good for you, all right, 206 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: Kevin is always thanks so much for your time. Love 207 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: talking to you, poll, I really do, and uh keep 208 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 2: on keeping on A big fan, big fan of Kevin. 209 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 2: Paul Duplot here, Thanks buddy. 210 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 3: Great and you have a great Christmas. Thank you. 211 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: You have a merry Christmas as well, thanks to you 212 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: and yours. Thanks Kevin. When we get back, we're gonna 213 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: give you some insight from an author and a motivational 214 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 2: speaker and a life coach. To de small. It is 215 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: demolish your comfort zone. Six unconventional practices to crush your 216 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 2: hidden limitations. This might be interesting. Art to Rock or 217 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 2: Turk is our guest, and we'll talk to him right 218 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: after the break. Here on Nightside, it's a Wednesday night. 219 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: We got some something coming in this weekend. We'll have 220 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: to keep an eye on that. We're gonna be talking 221 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: to Mark Seal drop Triple A about travel coming up 222 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: over the holidays. We've got lots to get to, as 223 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: well as doctor Shira d'erne here on a global whooping 224 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: cough resurgence. That's not good news. 225 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 1: Coming back on Nightside, You're on Nightside with Dan Ray 226 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: on WBZ, Boston's news. 227 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: Radio, Delighted. Welcome R to Rock l R. Welcome you're 228 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: an author and a motivational speaker and a life coach. 229 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: Welcome to Nightside. 230 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, comfort zone demolition coach, it's my term. 231 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: That's what it is. So so explain. I think I 232 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: know what that means, but I'm sure you can explain 233 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: it to me. Why do you want to demolish my 234 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: comfort zone? 235 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 5: Okay, Well, look at the definition of a comfort zone. 236 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 5: It's a state where the circumstances are familiar to a person. 237 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 5: There it is they're using a limited set of behaviors. 238 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 5: Steady results without anxiety sounds wonderful, doesn't it. 239 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: I've not been in such a place in a long time, 240 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: but I would like to get there. 241 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 5: Go ahead, Well, here's the reason you want to demolish it. 242 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 5: You stay in that state, you're stuck. Comfort kills more 243 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 5: dreams than failure. Ever, will you need to take risks, 244 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 5: You need to adopt new practices. Innovate, press on is 245 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 5: the way to achieve dreams. Comfort zone demolition is your 246 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 5: fears eviction notice. 247 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: Fam Okay, so you say that you have six uncre 248 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: conventional practices to crush your hidden limitations. You may have 249 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: six conventional practices or more. But what are some of 250 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: the unconventional practices that will crush people's hidden limitations? 251 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 5: Okay? Well, one of them is accountability contagion. And what 252 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 5: that means is you look to be a leader who 253 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 5: spreads people taking accountability. So, as an example, I'm on 254 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 5: an airplane flight and I meet a colonel from a 255 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 5: local base in my area, Dave Foley written up in 256 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 5: my book, and Dave is chatting with me We're having 257 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 5: a great conversation. All of a sudden, he says to me, 258 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 5: I'm not very creative, And all of a sudden I 259 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 5: reach in my pocket. I just come back from a workshop, 260 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 5: and I threw a red flag at him. Red flags, right, 261 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 5: I said, Dave, you said I'm not creative, which means 262 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 5: you believe you of a genetic deficiency. You're done. Huh 263 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 5: the other way of looking at that. In the past, 264 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 5: when I've had creative endeavors, my results haven't measured up 265 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:20,239 Speaker 5: to my expectations. Oh guess what, you have an opportunity 266 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 5: to grow and improve. So simply tossing a red flag, 267 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 5: dan and a reframing a person's mindset opens it up. 268 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 5: Colonel Foley went out and started leading innovation workshops around 269 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 5: the base at Fort Lewis here on the West Coast 270 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 5: and lowering the hold workshop after workshop. A couple of 271 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 5: years later, Hey, my wife and I are getting invited 272 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 5: to his promotional activities, you know, celebrations, And finally he 273 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 5: becomes general fully, I like. 274 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: The sound of that. So okay, so you basically challenge 275 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: him by throwing a red flag. Give me a couple 276 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: of other examples of what people can do. You're good 277 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: at this, But what can other people do to help 278 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: themselves or to help others who are close to them? 279 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: What tricks can you pass on? 280 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, let me help cut to the chase very quickly. 281 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 5: I want people to get their ears sharp for where 282 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 5: victim mindset and I actually use the term in my 283 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 5: book the guy on the couch or the gal on 284 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 5: the sofa. Now, what that does is it detaches the 285 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 5: individual from the words they're spouting when they spout victim mindset. 286 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 5: Guy on the couch is the cultural spokesperson for that 287 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 5: has a PhD in victim mindset and is very reasonable. Now, 288 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 5: there are three or four areas to pay attention to. 289 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 5: As I did with Colonel Foley, I looked at how 290 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 5: he was identifying I'm not very creative. Also, look at 291 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 5: your feelings. Things don't matter, not really, not the ones 292 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 5: that deflate your motivation. Fear, anxiety, discomfort, that doesn't matter. 293 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 5: Feelings circumstances, well, the circumstances aren't conducive. Who cares? What 294 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 5: do I need to do to create conducive circumstances? Feelings 295 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 5: circumstances past history, Oh, in the past, I've never approached 296 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 5: that breakthrough result which would defy my history. Guess what, 297 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 5: try and experiment play for a breakthrough. So these are 298 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 5: all ways of getting at the practices that lead to 299 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 5: results that defy your past history. 300 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: Okay, So I think what you're saying, at least what 301 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: I'm hearing, is that, yes, our limitations are often self imposed. 302 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 5: Perfect I knew those words were coming right out of 303 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 5: your mouth. 304 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some limitations that are not self imposed, 305 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: like I'm too old and I'm not big enough to 306 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: play for the Patriots or the Celtics. It's as simple 307 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 2: as that. Okay. So yeah, but there are things that 308 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: all of us are uncomfortable in doing, and we don't 309 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: do them, and if we tried, we might be more 310 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: successful than we ever could have imagined. How can folks 311 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: get in touch with you? How can folks get information? 312 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: It's one thing for them to listen to us talk 313 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: here for a few minism on nightside. I want them 314 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: to follow up and be in touch with your website 315 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 2: or to perhaps buy some of your books that might 316 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: be available that people can actually sit and can saturate 317 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: themselves with and move beyond some of their limitations. 318 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 5: Well, the primary book right now recently released is Demolish 319 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 5: Your Comfort Zones Perfect sixth practices to crush your hidden 320 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 5: limitations that would be on Amazon. Okay, then come to 321 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 5: my website. There are two cool places one and then 322 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 5: the website is artairt to rocturock dot com. And on 323 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 5: one page, the resources page, are you making your best effort? 324 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 5: It's a wonderful self assessment of questions that will surprise 325 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 5: people on how they may be holding back and it's 326 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 5: invisible to them. And then there's a page called work 327 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 5: with Art. I'm offering free coaching call so maybe a 328 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 5: half hour, maybe even a bit more, and I'll have 329 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 5: people fill out some questions beforehand, and we're doing a 330 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 5: dual screening. They're checking me out to see if I'm 331 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 5: conducive to produce breakthroughs with them within three months, and 332 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 5: I'm looking at the same thing. Are they the kind 333 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 5: of person who's going to be interactive with me in 334 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 5: such a way that our two powers produce results that 335 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 5: defy their imagination? Not realistic, not reasonable, but nothing short 336 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 5: of surpassing past history. 337 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: That's great. 338 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 5: So that's the work with Art page art Turok. 339 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: Really interesting, gentleman, we've just spoken with and I suspect 340 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: someone and listeners are going to take you up on that. 341 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: I'm reading exactly. I'm reading you like a book. I 342 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: get it. I really do understand what you're trying. And 343 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: I believe that we, most of us, are many of 344 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 2: our limitations are indeed self imposed. Even it's if it's 345 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 2: something as simple as being comfortable public speaking. There are 346 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 2: a lot of people that's their greatest fear. And whenever 347 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: I talk to people, I talked to them about how 348 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: easy it is to speak publicly. I've made a career 349 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 2: out of this. And there was I can remember being 350 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: a freshman in college and in a public speaking class 351 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: being terrified to sit up in front of a group 352 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: of twenty students. I look back, and I think it was, 353 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 2: what the hell was I so scared of? You know? 354 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: I know, on Omaha Beach on D Day, D Day 355 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: in nineteen forty four, it was just speaking in class anyway, 356 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: all right, really enjoyed it. 357 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 5: Well, let me get this one. Can I give this 358 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 5: one pieces? It's just I'll make it ten seconds, okay. 359 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 5: So I was afraid of doing the telemarketing to become 360 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 5: a public speaker, trying to call someone and of one, 361 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 5: and I was paralyzed. And finally I got off the dime. 362 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 5: I started making calls. I said a quota, I will 363 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 5: make as many calls as needed to reach twelve meeting 364 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 5: planners in the next week, and bam, bam bam. After 365 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 5: a while, I started getting book book book book book. 366 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 5: Ended up with one hundred and twenty five fortune five 367 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 5: hundred companies as clients in my speaking career. Wow, uh, 368 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 5: you get off the diamond one blow and and of 369 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 5: one to you know, public speaking. Bam, and it. 370 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: Happens you know of what you speak Art Turruk. Thank 371 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: you so much. We'll have you back. Thank you very much. 372 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: I enjoyed this conversation. 373 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 5: Thank you, Dan. 374 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 2: Likewise, right back at you, okay, we get back right 375 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: after the news at the bottom of the hour. Going 376 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 2: to talk with Mark shield Drop. I'm going to talk 377 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 2: about holiday travel. It'll be interesting, it will be an 378 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 2: interesting conversation always with Mark shield Drop. Stay with us 379 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: here on night Side. 380 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 4: It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio. 381 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 2: Well, here we go. It's December the tenth. We're two 382 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: weeks to Christmas Eve, three weeks to New Year's Eve, 383 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: and who better to talk to than my friend Mark 384 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: shield Drop Triple, a senior spokesperson. Year end holiday travel 385 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: is upon us. It's expected to set a record. You know, Mark, 386 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 2: we hear all the concerns that everybody seems to have 387 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 2: the problems with the economy, problems with this, but I 388 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 2: guess a lot of people are going to be hitting 389 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 2: the road in the next two to three weeks. How 390 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 2: are you this evening, first of all? And how busy 391 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: is it going to get? 392 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 3: Well? 393 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 6: Thanks for having me, Dan, I'm doing well, and I 394 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 6: hope everybody's doing well out there. 395 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 3: It's going to be busy. 396 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 6: I sound like a broken record because every time I 397 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 6: come on, I keep saying we're going to break yet 398 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 6: another record, and that's what we're gonna do over the 399 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 6: holiday period. And you're right, you know that there's been 400 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 6: a lot of question marks out there in terms of 401 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 6: consumer spending, the economy and jobs and so on and 402 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 6: so forth. But when it comes to travel, there's been resilience. 403 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 6: People want to travel. They're making concessions and other places 404 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 6: of their life perhaps to still travel, especially with these 405 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 6: holiday year end holiday travel period. It's the time people 406 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 6: get together to see their family. It's really important. So 407 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 6: people are going to move on, so they have to 408 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 6: get together with their friends and loved thems over the holiday. 409 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: So the number that I see it says one hundred 410 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: and twenty two point four million, So that's a really 411 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: healthy number. That's probably thirty percent of the American populous 412 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: is going to travel. Is that these standard fifty miles 413 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: away from home? 414 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 6: That's correct, and that's almost a travel that's people flying 415 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 6: road trips, hopping on the train, and also going on cruises, which, 416 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 6: believe it or not, are becoming more and more popular 417 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 6: over holiday periods. There's been twenty five percent growth in 418 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 6: cruising over the holiday period since twenty nineteen, so since COVID, 419 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 6: people have kind of really gotten super excited about cruising. 420 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 4: So even over the holidays, pretty eye opening for some time. 421 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 2: I assume that we're not talking about river cruises there. 422 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: That's more of a summer spring fall thing. We're talking 423 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 2: about heading south and getting on a boat down and 424 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 2: hitting down to warmer waters. 425 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 6: I assume, yeah, the Bahamas, the Dominican Republic, going to Mexico, 426 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 6: so a lot of people fly in the ports like 427 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 6: Miami Fort Lauderdale to get on the cruise ships there. 428 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 6: There's some some folks said, you know, I respect them. 429 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 6: They're flying to Seattle to go on an Alaskan cruise, 430 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 6: but personally I wouldn't be curching. I'm doing that this 431 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 6: time of year. But for sure, I mean, you know, 432 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 6: a huge portion of the country is going to travel 433 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 6: the holiday period. Two percent increase over last year, which 434 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 6: was also a record year. We're above pre pandemic times. 435 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 6: So travels more important to people now than they were, 436 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 6: say in twenty nineteen. 437 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: Okay, here's what we go for US gas prices. If 438 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 2: I recall Thanksgiving, it was like eighty eight or eighty 439 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 2: nine percent of the people who were traveling by traveling 440 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 2: by car. I assume it's a similar percentage this time 441 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: of year gas prices. Yeah, that has to be good 442 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: news for people. I mean, a few years ago in 443 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: different parts of the country, you were paying four bucks 444 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: a gallon, and we're not unhappy about that. Five dollars 445 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: a gallon. It's now down to three dollars a gallon. 446 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 2: And the projections that I'm seeing is it might go 447 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 2: even lower as we get into twenty twenty, so there'll 448 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: be more people on the roads. It'll be a little 449 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 2: crazy airports. What are we talking about in terms of 450 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 2: air travelers. Are we talking three or four million people. 451 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 6: We're projecting a record eight point oh three million, So 452 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 6: eight million people are going to be flying. That's a 453 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 6: two point three percent increase from last year. And we're 454 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 6: entering the holiday period without that sort of uncertainty hanging 455 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 6: over the air travel industry, which is what we were 456 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 6: talking about just a. 457 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 4: Couple of weeks ago. 458 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 6: It seems ahead of Thanksgiving, so things should be. 459 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 2: Smooth, but everyone has to pack their patients. 460 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 4: I assume, yeah, oh yeah, yeah. 461 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 6: I mean that's a good rule of thumb at any 462 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 6: time a travel, but these these holiday periods where you 463 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 6: have tens of millions of people or eight million people 464 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 6: flying all in a short period of time, they can 465 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 6: get hectic, so you have to bear that in mind. Also, 466 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 6: look at the weather forecast, not just locally, but if 467 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 6: you're getting on a flight and you have a connecting 468 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 6: flight and a big storm hits, that could cause disruption, delays, 469 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 6: you know, all interconnected with the airport. So we could 470 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 6: have delays here at Logan, even if it's nice and 471 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 6: clear out, just because of the storm barreling down the 472 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 6: middle of the country. Maybe there's a lot of delays 473 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 6: at Chicago Hare for example. So patience is really important 474 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 6: and just you know, being mindful of the fact that 475 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 6: I'm one of millions of people. But you know, for 476 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 6: the most part, people are going to get to where 477 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 6: they need to go as long as you know they 478 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 6: keep a level head out there and just keep their 479 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 6: head down and you'll get to where you need to go. 480 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 2: And the other thing to remember is that big storms 481 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 2: not only can affect you getting to where you want 482 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 2: to go, but you're plane getting here, maybe from another city. 483 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,959 Speaker 2: So you can get to where you want to go, 484 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 2: you have to you have to be fortunate to have 485 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: your plane get to Boston to pick you up, and 486 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: then your plane has to have the ability to land 487 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: in Chicago or Minneapolis or what other uh snowboart you're 488 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: flying through sometime in late December. So plane ahead, check ahead. 489 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 2: All of that is really best great advice, Mark, So 490 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 2: we thank you as always for joining us. Know are 491 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 2: you traveling or are you going to be sitting this 492 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: one out? This one this hope? Yeah. 493 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 5: I spend most of the time at home. 494 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 6: We often balance our time between both families, my wife 495 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 6: and I, so I do get an opportunity to spend 496 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 6: some quality time in my family share, but I'm always 497 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 6: available to the great reporters at w b Z anytime 498 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 6: they need me, even over the holiday break. It's easy 499 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 6: to do an interview from anywhere. 500 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 3: But you know, I. 501 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 6: Hope everybody listening and yourself included, you know, really take 502 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 6: time to enjoy the holidays and it's a great time 503 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 6: of year. You know, it's it's time for us to 504 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 6: kind of reflect on the past, but so you know, 505 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 6: get ready for a new year and a good future together. 506 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 2: Absolutely for everybody. Wish everyone health and happiness in the 507 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 2: end of the year ahead and between now and the 508 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 2: end of this year. Thanks Mark is always You're the best. 509 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: Appreciated so much. 510 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 3: Thanks Dan. 511 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: We get back, We're going to talk with doctor Shira Jerome. 512 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: She's the Chief and Section Control Office for the Tufts 513 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 2: Medican Hospital and Hospital. She's a hospital epidemiologist at Tufts 514 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 2: Medical Center. There is a global whooping cough resurgence that 515 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 2: is not good news, and we'll we'll find out where 516 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 2: it's happening and what's the chances are that it could 517 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 2: migrate in our direction. Doctor Shira doron coming back on 518 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 2: Nightside after the break. 519 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 4: It's Nightside with Boston's news Radio. 520 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 2: Welcoming back, doctor Shira Dorone. She's the chief infection control 521 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: Officer for Tuft's Medicine. She's also the hospital epidemiologist that 522 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 2: Tufts Medical Center, Doctor Derome, Welcome back to Nightside. Great 523 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 2: to hear you, to talk with you again. 524 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 7: Always good to be with you. 525 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: So we're talking about whooping cough and it's also known 526 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: as pertussis. This is a nasty disease, a global resurgence. 527 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: You got my attention on this one, Doctor doern' where 528 00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: is this resurgeon? 529 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 7: You know, we tend to have bad years and better 530 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 7: years when it comes to protesss, and we are seeing 531 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 7: a relatively bad year this year and really over the 532 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 7: past year in the United States. And it's unfortunately one 533 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 7: of those that even though you know it's on the 534 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 7: list of vaccine preventable diseases, the vaccine just you know, 535 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 7: it's a it's a short lived one. You know, we 536 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 7: talked about that with the COVID vaccine. You're always going 537 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 7: to have cases of COVID, You're always going to have 538 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 7: cases of protesss because the vaccine just isn't that strong 539 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 7: and doesn't last that long. 540 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about there are some people out there 541 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 2: who who probably are not going to know the symptoms 542 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 2: and what the danger is, and just explain to us 543 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 2: in layman's terms, as you so you do? So, well, 544 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: what are we talking about it? This is a tough, 545 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: tough disease to deal with. 546 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, I say, I say, I wouldn't wish this on 547 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 7: my worst enemy. And unfortunately I have seen it up 548 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 7: close and personal in my own family, and it is brutal. 549 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 7: So you know, it's not just a cough. It's a 550 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 7: violent cough. It's characterized by a few things. Particularly in children, 551 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 7: you'll see something called post testive emesis that means vomiting 552 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 7: after coughing or with coughing, because it's so violent. And 553 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 7: in children and adults you'll hear this telltale whoop and 554 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 7: it's really hard to describe. It sounds terrible, and you 555 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 7: might whoop again and again and you're really it's like 556 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 7: I'm gasping for air. 557 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 5: But it's it's. 558 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 7: Different, it's special. It's terrible. 559 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 3: You know. 560 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 7: Some people are you know, lose their breath so badly 561 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 7: that they may pass out. I may not be able 562 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 7: to drive for a period of time because the coughing 563 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 7: makes them pass out. I've seen both of pregnant women 564 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 7: because of the ligaments become more lax during pregnancy who 565 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 7: got protested and broke their ribs and then they really 566 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 7: struggled with pain and not being able to take payments 567 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 7: the same way because they were pregnant. 568 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 2: It is. 569 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 7: It is a real bad one, and so you do 570 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 7: want to take the steps that you can take to 571 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 7: avoid it. 572 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: Okay, so one more, one more question before we get 573 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: to the steps, and that how is it passed from 574 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 2: one person to another? I assume it's it's it's in 575 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 2: the air, and you have passed by someone at the 576 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 2: supermarket who has it. You may may not know they 577 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 2: have it, and they cough and you inhale, you know 578 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 2: some of the particulates that they have expelled. I guess 579 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 2: is that I hate to put it that way, but 580 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: that's I guess. 581 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 7: Yeah. Like many of the respiratory infections that we have 582 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 7: talked about, it is passed from person to person through breathing. 583 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 7: This is a bacteria on a virus, so it's a 584 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 7: little bit different but similar mode of transmission. Now, also, 585 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 7: like we blue COVID RSV. You're more likely to get 586 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 7: it from somebody with prolonged face to face contact, not 587 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 7: as much passing in the supermarket. And in fact, you know, 588 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 7: after a while, you know, there was a time when 589 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 7: you know, everyone in a classroom with somebody with protesters 590 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 7: had to you know, take can upout it to try 591 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 7: to prevent infection. And that was kind of put aside 592 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 7: because you know, generally you're talking about household close transmission, 593 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 7: not so much that relatively casual classroom contact. 594 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 2: Okay, And it is you know, particularly dangerous obviously to 595 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 2: women who are pregnant, I assume to young children into 596 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 2: older people. 597 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, especially newborn babies. Newborn babies seem to be prone 598 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 7: to develop an acne where they stop breathing altogether and 599 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 7: then and we have seen deaths in newborn babies. Most 600 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 7: people outside of that age group are just going to 601 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 7: have that really severe life limiting cough, but generally not 602 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 7: life threatening and how long. 603 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 2: First of all, what's what can you do about it? 604 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: I mean this, you know, it's not like you can rest, 605 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 2: because this is not going to let you rest. What's 606 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 2: the what is. 607 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 7: So the phrase we use that's been used over the 608 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 7: over decades is the one hundred day cough, and it 609 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 7: truly is that long. It goes on seemingly forever, and 610 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 7: there's nothing you can do to mitigate that, and people 611 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 7: try all kinds of costs of presence. It's it's it. 612 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 7: There's not anything you can do now there. I've seen 613 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 7: some misinformation on social media. When the fact that some 614 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 7: infants have died from Pretessa's recently was mented on social media, 615 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 7: there were some doctors chiming in saying, well, somebody did 616 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 7: something wrong. Why didn't they get antibiotics? Right, it's a bacteria. Well, 617 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 7: it's a bacteria. Antibiotics do kill it, but the disease 618 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 7: is caused by production of a toxin from the bacteria. 619 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 7: Once you have those symptoms, antibiotics aren't going to help 620 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 7: you at all. It's going to kill the bacteria, so 621 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 7: you don't transmit it to someone else. So you do 622 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 7: have to take the antibiotics, but it's not going to 623 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 7: change the course of your illness. We also can use 624 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 7: antibiotics as what we call post exposure prophylaxis, meaning if 625 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 7: you know you've had clothes face to face contact with 626 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 7: someone who has protests and it's still contagious. You can 627 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 7: take the antibiotic and in that case it will help 628 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 7: and it will stop you from getting the infection. But 629 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 7: once you have the symptoms, it's essentially too late. 630 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 2: And how do people function. I mean, when you say 631 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 2: it's one hundred day experience, that's three months more than 632 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 2: three months to people have to isolate and stay away 633 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 2: from family members as well. Hundred days. It sounds to me. 634 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 7: You know, once you take the antibiotics, you can be 635 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 7: around people five days later, but you're still going to 636 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 7: be coughing for that for that long period of time. 637 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 3: And it varies. 638 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 7: You know, some people are more functional and some people 639 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 7: are less functional with it, but you know, it can 640 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 7: be very debilitating. Unfortunately, Now the vaccine is important, even 641 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 7: though it's not that effective. Right, and this may sound counterintuitive, 642 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 7: and you know, certainly we've had these conversations, you and 643 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 7: I about the COVID vaccine. Right, even though it may 644 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 7: not be one hundred percent effected, far from it, Even 645 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 7: though it may not work for a very long period 646 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 7: of time, that counterintuitively actually makes it more important that 647 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 7: everybody try to be you know, up to date on 648 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 7: their protesta's vaccines. So that we can try to keep 649 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 7: the numbers down. 650 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 2: Let's talk. My last question is about the numbers during 651 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 2: the winter season, and I assume that's what we're talking about. 652 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 2: What's the numbers number of infections that we will likely 653 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 2: have here, either in New England or across the country. 654 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 2: Quantify it for me if you will. 655 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 7: It's very hard to know. I can't quantify it because 656 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 7: most people really aren't getting diagnosed. Actually, you know, it 657 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 7: may just look like a bad cold, it may look 658 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 7: like asthma. May you know, when my family members had it, 659 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 7: they underwent a you know, a work up for weeks 660 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 7: to try to understand what was going on before somebody 661 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 7: even thought of protests. So, you know, you do want 662 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 7: to think of it. But it's really hard to know 663 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 7: how much is out there smoldering without people knowing about it. 664 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 7: And we have a five vaccine series for children, we 665 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 7: have another dose in adolescence. And one of the things 666 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 7: that we can do differently now that you know, when 667 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 7: we know we're in a bad Protestant here is adults 668 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 7: are supposed to get a tetanus and dipysteria booster every 669 00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 7: ten years. You have the option to get a tetanus 670 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 7: theoria and pertussis vaccine, and I suggest that people get 671 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 7: that version of the technist at theory of vaccine. 672 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 2: Great idea, Doctor Shira Derome, Thank you so much. I 673 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 2: really appreciate you taking the time you have raised the 674 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 2: alarm and I hope people have listened and we'll take 675 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 2: whatever precautions they can. Thank you so much. Thank you, 676 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 2: good night, have great holidays. Okay, thanks doctor. We have 677 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 2: the nine o'clock news coming up. Right on the other 678 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 2: side of the nine o'clock news, we're going to go 679 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 2: to our topic. So then I got a couple of 680 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 2: different topics tonight I will explain on the other side. 681 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 2: The first one we're going to talk about is it 682 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 2: looks like you're going to have cannabis cafes here in Massachusetts, 683 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,240 Speaker 2: probably sooner than you realize. We'll explain after the nine