1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back the Friday edition sixty three to sixty hour 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: number three rolling along ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: with an opportunity to talk blisters with our guy, Bob 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: Man Jean from the University of Cincinnati and Novacare who's 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: kind enough to join us right now? Bob, how you 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: doing today? 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: Coning down here in Jacksonville, whether it's beautiful, you know, 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: get to see my grandsun beat baptized tomorrow. I'm excited. 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: I got a couple things before we get into blisters. 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: One I saw on the day Jared Calhoun was hired. 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: You had a nice picture there on go Bearcatz cozied 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: up next to Jared Calhoun. It feels like everyone is 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: on board with this coaching hire. And I know you 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to really sit down with him yet, 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: but does it feel different around the program right now 16 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: with Jared Calhoun? 17 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I think the difference is, you know, we've 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: heard one of our own and you feel you know, 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: I mean, you feel I'm not myself. So it's always 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: nice to see when we bring a coach in with 21 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 2: u se roots. Plus you know when he was there, 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 2: it was a very successful time period for you see 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: basketball with Bob Huggins and his staff. I think general 24 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: brings a real sense of energy of an alumni of 25 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: somebody who's had good success. I think the whole athletic 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: department is pretty excited. I think the fan base is 27 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: really going to be excited, you know, when they get 28 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: to really you know, have an opportunity to interact with him. 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: It'll be an interesting year. 30 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: Now in your travels, did you have a chance at 31 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: all to catch Paul Skins start yesterday for your your buckos, 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: your Pittsburgh Pirates. 33 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: Well, he gave a five earned run, but several of 34 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: those were played field opportunities. 35 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: I didn't see. I didn't see an air charge Stone, 36 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: Neil Cruz. 37 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: No. But they they did not play they they did 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: not field the ball really well. And I was expecting 39 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: this from you because I knew that, you know, even 40 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: though the Reds lost to the Red Sox, you weren't 41 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: gonna let me forget that the priors gave up five runs. 42 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: I as a as a Reds fan, I didn't like 43 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: the idea that Paul Skin's next start after that start 44 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: will be against the Reds on Wednesday. 45 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: Well, there you go. Okay, he should have a comeback. 46 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: We'll see how that goes. Speaking of the Reds, Bob 47 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: nick Loodolo starts the season on the injured list for 48 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Reds with a blister obviously on his throwing hand. 49 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: For nick Lodolo, it's not the first time that he's 50 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: dealt with blisters. It's not the first time he's had 51 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: to go on the injured list because of blisters. We 52 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: saw Derek Johnson, the pitching coach, refer to nick Loodolo 53 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: as just someone who's naturally moist in talking about just 54 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: constantly sweating and how his hands are. So talk me 55 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: through this process, because I feel like, much like a 56 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: sense we talk about turf tow people don't really understand. 57 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 1: It's like at your toe, play through it, You're fine. 58 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: What about blisters makes it so difficult for pitchers to 59 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: do what they need to do. 60 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: Well? Obviously, you know, I mean, anybody that's throwing a 61 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: baseball knows that. You know, your fingertips control the ball 62 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: trajectory and the ball stin. So I mean, if you're 63 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: getting blisters on the ends of your fingers and your 64 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: pitching hand, you really lose control of ball. Stin, so 65 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: your curves off, your sinkers off, and again that's a problem. 66 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: And there are people who we call natural sweaters, and 67 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: if the pitching coach wants to call that moisture or whatever, 68 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: that's fine. But I'm an old school trainer and the 69 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: bottom line is you've got people to sweat a lot, 70 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: and you see kids who cramp a lot, while those 71 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: crampers are also usually heavy sweaters. So I mean again, 72 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: pitchers have to use rosin, have to keep their fingers 73 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: relatively dry while they're pitching. And some guys, I mean, 74 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: you're sweat and so bad it's just to rip it 75 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: off of them, and it's hard to do that. Yesterday, 76 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: i mean, come on, it was eighty teen degrees in 77 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: Cincinnati and it was warmer in Cincinnati than it was 78 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: here in Florida. So I'm sure that you know, over 79 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 2: the course of spring ball, with as much as he sweats, 80 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: you can develop those painful and they are painful, by 81 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: the way, So just you know, don't write it off 82 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: as a blister. But the bottom line is that you've 83 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: got to allow that tissue to heal. You know, it's 84 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 2: no different you get a blister on your foot usually 85 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: under the ball of the first ray, your big toe 86 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: on the foot. I mean, it's hard to push off 87 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: and until you get that to heal, you know, you 88 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: can put second skin on it, you can do all 89 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 2: kinds of tricks as a trainer to try to unload it. 90 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: You can't unload a finger and have somebody be able 91 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,239 Speaker 2: to throw, you know, a sinker or a slider because 92 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 2: you know, you've got to have the grip on the ball. 93 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 2: So you've got to give it time to heal. And 94 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: you know that can take anywhere from seven days in days. 95 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: So but once you come back, you have to take 96 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: steps to avoid it from reoccurring. 97 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: And that's my next question is for someone like Nicolodolo 98 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: who has not just gone through one blister, but multiple blisters. 99 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: Is there anything you can do to try to prevent this? 100 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: Is there anything you can do to take the steps 101 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: necessary so that it doesn't become a problem that's going 102 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: to land you on the injured list perhaps multiple times 103 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: a year. 104 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: Well, I mean there are and again know they have 105 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: a very good training staff. I'm sure they're going to 106 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: do everything they can from a prevention standpoint. From you 107 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: know where I sit with you know, with the tools 108 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: I have at university, things like red light laser, things 109 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: that help the skin revasteralize and get what we'll call 110 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: a stiffness to it or a thickness to it. One 111 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: of the things that you know, for people who have 112 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: skin issues, one of the best modalities we use it 113 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: is laser. Laser has been excellent for warm healing after 114 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 2: surgery and things like that. So I mean from a 115 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: skin issue, you know, we would use some sort of 116 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: laser productor and also they make some skin toughenurs so 117 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: that you can try to build up a fitness there. 118 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: So he doesn't get it. But remember one thing, you know, 119 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: rub your thumb and your index finger together and your 120 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: middle finger together, and you can feel how much play 121 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 2: there is or how much freedom the skin has over 122 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: the underlying fat pack tissue. And the more you press 123 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 2: it with friction and the more you try to spin 124 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 2: a ball, you know that friction is what causes the blister. 125 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: So you know, you've really got to make sure that 126 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: skin is well healed and tough and slowly ramp them 127 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: back up. And again I don't know the extent of it, 128 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: we're just using past experiences. We're to you can you know, 129 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,119 Speaker 2: be able to have good control, you know of the ball. 130 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 2: But again, I think that you're going to get him 131 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 2: out of this acute phase, get the blisters starting to heal, 132 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: and then try some different tricks in the toolbox in 133 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: order to toughen that skin up and get him back 134 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: on the mound. 135 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: I would imagine it's difficult as well for pictures because 136 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: you're relying on that feel so much. So it's not 137 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: like you just want to make the skin so tough 138 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,119 Speaker 1: that you lose part of what makes you an elite pitcher. 139 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: So I'm sure it's a delicate balance. Like many injuries though, 140 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: Is this one of those injuries that the more often 141 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: it happens, there op you are to get another blister? 142 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: Is that is the reoccurrence, especially for someone who does 143 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: sweat a lot. Is this just something that you're gonna 144 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: kind of have to take and deal with as you go. 145 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have to take you deal with 146 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: it as you go. The skin is very forgiving. Luckily, 147 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: our outer layer of skin which sluffs off over time. 148 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: We're kind of like snake that we grow new skin 149 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: and the outer layer sluffs off. But again, you know 150 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: you're looking at somebody who needs to feel of the ball, 151 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: somebody who needs to be able to spin the ball, 152 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: and that friction, oftentimes, just like the friction you get 153 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: between your shoe and your bottom of the foot, is 154 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: what causes the blister. Is that that skin moves. And again, 155 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: you you don't want to fit. You don't want it 156 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: the callous because if you callous, then you can get 157 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: the blister under the callus and that only makes it 158 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: even worse because now you have to slowly trim the 159 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: callous back, then get rid of the blister and get 160 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: everything to reheal. And you know, again to the average 161 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: person on the street, you know you're looking at a 162 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: guy making millions of dollars, thinking, well, he just has 163 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: a blister. Well, to a pitcher, you know, that's like 164 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: a needing for you, to a running back, Okay, that's 165 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: that's that's their feel, that's their ability to control what 166 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 2: they throw and not. He has to have a good 167 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 2: hand position, he has to have good feel or they 168 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 2: start to compensate with their elbow, their shorter or their 169 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: hips and then all of a sudden they lose control 170 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: of the ball. So the fingers are really critical for 171 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: a pitcher. 172 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: I also I look for pitchers in their specific role 173 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: and something like this that continues to happen. My question is, 174 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: are you treating this much more with caution at the 175 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: start of a season maybe than you would in the 176 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: middle of the season or the end, because there's so 177 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: much baseball left and you got the summer months ahead 178 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: that this is something you want to try to nip 179 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: now or else it could linger on as the season goes. 180 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: Do you have to be a little bit more cautious 181 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: when you're going into the start of a season then 182 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: maybe you would at the back end of a season. Oh? 183 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think a lot of mistakes are made in 184 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: the beginning of any season of any sport by ramping 185 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: up too quick, by not taking the more or preventive precautions, 186 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: because especially baseball, you know, when is it one hundred 187 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: and sixty six games or whatever it is, one hundred 188 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: and sixty two games, you know that's a long, long 189 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: time period, and you start to develop problems now and 190 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: they linger into the hot months when you're really sweating. 191 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: You know, now you've got a major problems, and what 192 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: takes off is a three week injury. Now all of 193 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 2: a sudden becomes a lingering two month injury. 194 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: That is Bob man Jean, University of Cincinnati and Novacare. Bob, 195 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. Enjoy your trip 196 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: and we'll talk again soon. 197 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: Tony, thank you, and again, I'm really excited looking forward 198 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: to your next Wednesday night when the Parts and the 199 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: Reds play. 200 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: Let's go there, Let's go. Bob, You're the best. Thank you. 201 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: Austin will be salivating moisture, Bobs for sure. I have 202 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: a great day, Bob, thank you. 203 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: Thanks guys. 204 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: That is Bob Manjing, the University of Cincinnati and Novacare. 205 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: I no, finding time for physical therapy doesn't have to 206 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: be a challenge because with Novacare in their twenty three 207 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: locations throughout Greater Cincinnati, Novacare Rehabilitation makes it easy to 208 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: get the care you need where you need it. From 209 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: athletics at the University of Cincinnati to the average folks 210 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: looking to live life without pain. Novacare's experts have seen 211 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: it all. 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