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Speaker 2: Welcome back. It is the third and final hour of

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Speaker 2: the Wednesday edition of since E three sixty. We've got

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Speaker 2: a lot to get in still in this hour. Brooks Downing,

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Speaker 2: who is putting on the event next Friday night at

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Speaker 2: the Heritage Bank Center Heritage Bank Arena between Louisville and

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Speaker 2: uc He will join us in this hour to preview

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Speaker 2: that game and let us know a little bit more

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Speaker 2: about the event itself. Mueger is in studio today. We'll

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Speaker 2: hear from him for quick hits, fortunately still no locks

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Speaker 2: of the night, and momentarily we'll talk to Dan Horr,

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame voice of the Cincinnati Bearcats for football,

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Speaker 2: for basketball, and of course the voice of the Cincinnati Bengals,

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Speaker 2: alongside Dave Lapham as well. So much to get to

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Speaker 2: here in the third and final hour of the show,

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Speaker 2: a little bit kind of working around the football scene.

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Speaker 2: Here you see Arizona Saturday noon Knippert Stadium, the Bengals

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Speaker 2: and the Steelers on Sunday at one o'clock. Both games,

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Speaker 2: uniquely and oddly enough present themselves present a chance for

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Speaker 2: marquee wins for different reasons for the teams. Here we

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Speaker 2: are talking about the Cincinnati Bengals on November twelfth, a

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Speaker 2: team that's three and six, seemingly going nowhere, and then

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Speaker 2: a shot of life in the arm with Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: coming back to practice this week and his twenty one

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Speaker 2: day window opening, and now the talk, at least for

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Speaker 2: the Bengals is can you beat the Stealers and then

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Speaker 2: let's see what happens. There is again, it's small, but

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Speaker 2: there is a sign of life there. There is hope

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Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Bengals. For the Cincinnati Bearcats, it's a

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Speaker 2: much different stakes. It is an opportunity in controlling your

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Speaker 2: own destiny to still advance if you win your last

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Speaker 2: three to the Big twelve Championship where you will probably

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Speaker 2: face Texas Tech in Dallas, Texas. Now again, U see's path,

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Speaker 2: albeit as simple, we know what it is, is very

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Speaker 2: daunting in the fact that they just have some tough

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Speaker 2: opponents out there. So it's nice when we get to

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Speaker 2: talk to Dan because you get a Bengals point of view,

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Speaker 2: you get a Bearcat point of view, and we have

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Speaker 2: him with us right now. Dan Horde, what's going on,

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Speaker 2: buddy Cody.

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Speaker 3: I'm on the practice field enjoying this sunny day, watching

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow do his thing, watching Joe Flacco stand around.

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Speaker 3: He's not throwing today, sounds like he will tomorrow, So

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Speaker 3: just enjoying how the temperature has risen in the last

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Speaker 4: It's awesome to this.

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Speaker 2: It's insane to be outside, to be watching this team

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Speaker 2: and to be watching Joe Burrow. Two parts. One as

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Speaker 2: connected as you are within the organization. Were you surprised

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Speaker 2: with the Joe Burrow announcement this week? And how has

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Speaker 2: he looked even today throwing the ball around.

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Speaker 4: He looks normal throwing the ball.

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Speaker 3: It's when he makes quick, abrupt movements that I guess

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Speaker 3: he's really testing the big toe on his left foot.

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Speaker 3: But strictly in terms of his throwing mechanics, I don't

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Speaker 3: see a discernible difference. And yes, I was surprised on Monday.

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Speaker 3: I knew that Joe Burrow would come back sooner than

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Speaker 3: the original medical prognosis of three months. Just knowing Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 3: But to come back after fifty seven days, I will

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Speaker 3: definitely admit that I was very surprised by that.

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Speaker 2: What type of shock and not a shock, but what

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Speaker 2: I know Joe Flacco has played really well and this

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Speaker 2: But when you get a player of that magnitude back

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Speaker 3: I don't know that it's a big short term deal.

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Speaker 3: we'll be Pittsburgh now. Just from having Joe Burrow at

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Speaker 3: some point. When he is back, we'll have one of

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Speaker 3: the top three quarterbacks in the NFL, and yes they're

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Speaker 3: problems right now are on the defensive end. But still

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Speaker 3: Even as well as Joe Flacco has played.

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Speaker 2: Year one for Al, Golden defense has not been great.

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Speaker 2: They come into a bye week where you are able

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Speaker 3: It can't be any worse, right, They're bound to be

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Speaker 3: at least a little better just from the odds of

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Speaker 3: tell you this being out on the practice field today

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Speaker 3: for their first real practice to begin this week getting

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Speaker 3: defense began even really before practice started by going through

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Speaker 3: like pretty basic stuff. So you know, everybody says, well,

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Speaker 3: why can't you tackle? And the coaches respond by saying,

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Speaker 5: One of the positives this year Dan has been the

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Speaker 5: play of DJ Turner. I'm curious through your lens, what

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Speaker 3: He's always had the athletic ability that's obvious. I do

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Speaker 4: Whether that's him.

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Speaker 3: Studying it and improving that on his own, whether that's

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Speaker 3: but his ability to react to the ball, play the ball,

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Speaker 3: he is playing like one of the better cover corners

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Speaker 5: The offensive side of the ball. Taz Brooks, it feels

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Speaker 5: What type of running back is he?

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Speaker 4: Well, we saw last year at Texas Tech. He's a workhorse.

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Speaker 3: I mean he handled the ball as much over the

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Speaker 3: last two years as any running back in college football

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Speaker 3: in the draft this year. He doesn't have breakaway speed.

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Speaker 3: He's not the biggest guy out there, but I do

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Speaker 3: think he's a tough, hard nosed runner. Who's going to

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Speaker 3: be able to spell Chase Brown. I don't think he

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't expect Tide Brooks to be their third down

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Speaker 3: you want to give it to Chase Brown a million

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Speaker 3: times a game. He's not the biggest running back in

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Speaker 3: the NFL. So I look forward to seeing Tis Brooks

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Speaker 3: get a few carries and see what he can do

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Speaker 3: with an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Bengals Steelers Sunday at one o'clock. Before that game happens, Dan,

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Speaker 2: you'll be calling the game at Knippert Stadium between UC

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Speaker 2: and Arizona. It was a disappointing trip to Utah where

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Speaker 2: the things they had done well so much of the

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Speaker 2: year just all fell apart at once. They turned the

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Speaker 2: red zone. They missed a kick, they gave up a

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Speaker 2: punt return for a touchdown. It just never felt like

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Speaker 2: is credit to Utah. What feels different about this team

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Speaker 3: Well, first and foremost, I think they have a great

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Speaker 3: last year, late in the season is they played better

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Speaker 3: big twelve defenses. And you know this better than anybody, Tony,

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Speaker 3: those wide receivers just weren't getting open. I'm not worried

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Speaker 3: these guys have proven to be really good college football players,

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Speaker 3: and I think they are going to give Brendan Sores

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Speaker 3: be plenty of opportunities to complete passes over the next

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Speaker 3: they did against Utah starts with that position group and

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Speaker 3: the talent they've accumulated since last year. And then I

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Speaker 3: do think many of the things that you mentioned they've

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Speaker 3: been so good at this year, there's just no way

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Speaker 3: it's going to continue to be bad. Probably special teams

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Speaker 3: at the top of that list. I mean, it has

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Speaker 3: been a huge strength for the team basically in every

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Speaker 3: of it has been good. It was dreadful against Utah.

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Speaker 3: I believe in those guys, and I think that's going

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Speaker 3: to be much much better this Saturday at noon.

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Speaker 2: How vital was the bye week just to get guys healthy,

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Speaker 2: Golday Corleone, Evan Pryor. It just felt like not only

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Speaker 3: And I think it really does begin with Dante Corleone.

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Speaker 3: Talking to coach Satterfield a couple of days ago, he

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Speaker 3: said there is a noticeable difference. He thought that Dante

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Speaker 3: healthiest he's been since the injury in the Utah game.

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Speaker 3: Now he's had extra week to recover. I think there's

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Speaker 3: more dominant version of Dante Corleone in the final three

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Speaker 2: It's natural in college football to look ahead at times,

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Speaker 3: So this is not just a matter of limiting Noah

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Speaker 4: Against Louiville you're going to lose.

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Speaker 3: Do that. Against Clemson or Georgia, you're going to lose.

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Speaker 4: It right away. I would say you can.

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Speaker 2: To your point, that Louisville team that they'll play next

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Speaker 2: What do you like about this year's West Miller team.

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Speaker 3: I think the talent is good. It's all a matter

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Speaker 2: Always a great opportunity to catch up with you, Dan

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Speaker 2: before I let you go, I'd be remissed. Did you

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Speaker 4: You got to?

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Speaker 3: I certainly did. How much time do you have left?

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Speaker 3: It's an elegant, fancy dinner, like a fancy candle lit

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable?

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Speaker 4: How do you do that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, was there a tiny person under the table

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's an awesome gift to get you for

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Speaker 3: Big time magic, illusionist, mentalist. Guy if oh was the

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Speaker 2: Observing awesome stuff. Dan, thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate as always am. We'll talk soon.

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Speaker 4: Sounds great, Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, that is the great Dan Horde.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: The Illusionist had no idea, the Magician, the magic Man,

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, one of the most interesting and one of

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