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Speaker 1: Sunday Morning Sportstock with your host Ken Brew on News

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Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: All right, here we go.

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Speaker 3: No Bengals game obviously today, but a lot to get

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Speaker 3: to between now and when we're done leading into NFL football. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna have a couple of games for you later

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Speaker 3: on this afternoon. We'll talk to you about that as

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Speaker 3: we get closer to those one o'clock kickoffs.

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Speaker 2: The penultimate weekend of college football.

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Speaker 3: Next weekend are championship games, and there are a couple

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Speaker 3: of local teams that are going to championship games and

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Speaker 3: a few others that wish they had. And we'll start

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Speaker 3: with the University of Cincinnati because like last year when

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Speaker 3: they lost their last five, this year they have lost

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Speaker 3: their last four and they have wound up tenth in

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Speaker 3: the Big Twelve rankings you see is five and four

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Speaker 3: inside the conference, seven and five overall, and waiting to

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Speaker 3: see where it will go because it has been Bowl

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Speaker 3: qualified for the last several weeks. The problem is is

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Speaker 3: just all of these losses that have compiled held over

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Speaker 3: the last month, the latest of which was yesterday's forty

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Speaker 3: five to twenty three loss at TCU, And so right,

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Speaker 3: now the bowl that is projected for the University of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: This is, according to cbssports dot com, is the Rate

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Speaker 3: r Ate Rate Bowl, and that would be I believe

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Speaker 3: in Arizona and it has at least CBS Sports has.

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Speaker 3: CBS Sports has the University of Cincinnati playing Northwestern in

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Speaker 3: a five point thirty kick December the twenty sixth. But

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Speaker 3: we'll see a lot of this has to filter out

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Speaker 3: with games yet to be played inside conference championships and

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Speaker 3: where and who goes to college football twelve team playoffs.

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Speaker 3: We pretty much know the names of the teams now,

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Speaker 3: just where the rankings are. But it seems like maybe

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Speaker 3: as this week starts to progress, we'll know about bowl

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Speaker 3: destinations four teams like the University of Cincinnati, Miami University,

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Speaker 3: Ohio University, and we'll see where Louisville goes. But let's

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Speaker 3: take the University of Cincinnati game. First, they go to TCU.

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Speaker 3: They wanted to get that eighth win. They thought they

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Speaker 3: had a good shot, but it didn't happen. This game

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Speaker 3: went south on UC quickly. First series, they get a

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Speaker 3: that weather came in, which indeed it did, forcing about

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Speaker 3: a ninety minute delay in this game. So they get

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Speaker 3: the ball, they get to a fourth and one in

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Speaker 3: and they get zero yards, turn the ball over to TCU.

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Speaker 3: TCU flips that quickly to a touchdown and then it

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Speaker 3: all goes south. TCU led twenty one to seven at

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Speaker 3: the end of the first quarter and it never looked back.

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Speaker 3: Scott Satterfield after the game, with our Tony Pike on

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Speaker 3: his defense giving up forty five yesterday.

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Speaker 4: We didn't tackle great again, you know, and you know,

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Speaker 4: we're getting beat up in the back end, and we're

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Speaker 4: It was just tough, you know, to be able to

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Speaker 4: and a play in and play out basis, you know,

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Speaker 4: And and and you throw the end of the second half,

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Speaker 4: you know right there to.

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Speaker 2: Just run in the football.

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Speaker 5: You know, we all knew it and just still couldn't

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Speaker 3: I mean they had a great quarterback in Josh Hoover.

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Speaker 3: But TCU ran the football yesterday, did great success against

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Speaker 3: question really for U see in every team that isn't

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Speaker 3: free to transfer out. They're free to go wherever they

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Speaker 3: It's just the way of the world of college football

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Speaker 3: for every team, basically every team except the twelve that

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Speaker 3: But now you see sits and weights, and the message

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I just you know, obviously the last four

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Speaker 5: But my message in the locker room.

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Speaker 4: and that doesn't happen across a lot of locker rooms.

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Speaker 5: And so I just told them I loved them.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate how they go about their business, you know,

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Speaker 3: Well that's them up north in ann Arboro, Ohio State

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Speaker 3: twenty seven Michigan nine. That breaks a four game losing

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Speaker 3: the Big Ten championship game against Indiana. Julian Say in

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Speaker 3: the significance of the win after the game.

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Speaker 6: When I first got here, I was taught the tradition

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Speaker 6: you know, we definitely want to take it routine based

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Speaker 6: You know, we ended up clearing out the stadium having

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Speaker 3: So it was awesome. And you got Bo Jackson two hundred.

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Speaker 3: First of all, Bo Jackson, and I don't know about you.

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Speaker 3: We knew what his talents were before the season. I

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Speaker 3: Jeremiah Smith, Carnell Tate a touchdown catch each. Twenty seven

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Speaker 3: Then Ryan Day, head coach Ohio State, who finally got

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Speaker 3: a win as head coach against Michigan.

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Speaker 7: It was a great moment for our players.

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Speaker 2: They deserve it, They've worked hard.

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Speaker 7: I thought they played really well and strong and physical

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Speaker 7: like I said, the fans, even who weren't here, you

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Speaker 3: Little prouder then you coach. Finally, I to tell.

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Speaker 7: You that the last four years have been been easy

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Speaker 7: So you know, when you know you don't accomplish those things,

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Speaker 2: And I understand what that means.

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Speaker 5: I mean, my my.

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Speaker 7: Family's been here nine years now, so there's nobody who

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Speaker 2: More than me.

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Speaker 7: But but but to win this game, you know, it's

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Speaker 7: it's it's just a great moment, and I'm just it's

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Speaker 7: it's it's it's one of those moments that you want

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, a completely different kind of atmosphere in Lexington.

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Speaker 3: They had the Battle of Kentucky yesterday in Louisville, and

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Speaker 3: Louisville just took the hurt stick to k a UK

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Speaker 3: As UK finishes the season five and seven. Louisville had

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Speaker 3: one hundred yard games from Sean Boykins Junior and Braxton

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Speaker 3: margin of victory in this series since this series was

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Speaker 3: resumed back in nineteen ninety four. Forty one to nothing.

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Speaker 3: And here was Mark Stoops after the game stating, quite frankly,

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Speaker 8: You know, not very proud of our effort here today.

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Speaker 8: Obviously I want to give Jeff and Louis whole bunch

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Speaker 8: and played extremely well, you know. Not very pleased with

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Speaker 8: and then towards the end, just couldn't hang on, didn't

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Speaker 3: So the speculation on whether or not Mark Stoops is

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Speaker 3: Stoops has a forty million dollar buyout. In other words,

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Speaker 3: if Kentucky says we're done, you're done, audios, don't let

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Speaker 3: cost the University of Kentucky forty million dollars to send

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Speaker 3: Stoops on his way. That's a prohibitive number for a

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Speaker 3: we'll see what happens to Stoops. But as for Stoops saying, audios,

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Speaker 3: so I'm leaving on my own, you.

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Speaker 9: Know I'm going to be here as far as I'm concerned. Now,

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Speaker 9: I can't control what you know, decisions there or man,

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Speaker 9: if you're asking me, I mean that said zero zero

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Speaker 3: We'll see what the week brings again. Forty one dozing

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Speaker 3: Louisville over Kentucky. Kentucky finishes five and seven and is

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Speaker 3: not Bowl eligible. There was an intriguing story that developed

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Speaker 3: which of the teams would tie for second place would

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Speaker 3: this coming week. Miami did its part yesterday it won

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Speaker 3: forty five to twenty four. It beat Ball State in Oxford.

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Speaker 3: Miami finishes seven and five, six and two inside the conference.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Guttkowski, who took over for quarterback when the starting

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Speaker 2: He was terrific yesterday.

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Speaker 3: So three teams tied for that second place in the MAC,

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Speaker 3: and that would have been Miami, Ohio University, and Toledo University. Well,

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Speaker 3: and the tiebreaker it applied was the third level tiebreaker

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Speaker 3: inside of its system, and that was the most wins,

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Speaker 3: the best record against common opponents. And when you break

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Speaker 3: it down that way, nobody had a better record than Miami,

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Speaker 3: not Toledo, not Ohio University. And it's Miami that's going

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Speaker 3: oftentimes this season, Chuck Martin's team was carried by its defense,

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Speaker 3: First round byes go to number one seed Ohio State,

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Speaker 5: Oh? Ken, I'm doing great, doing great. Had a lovely Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 5: an MVP finalist. He put up insane numbers. But you're

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Speaker 5: exactly right, it's that fire that this team was missing.

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Speaker 3: So the roster came out for next season and who

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Speaker 3: they protected, who they want back, who they don't. There's

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Speaker 3: a goalkeeper, I mean, Sellentano, Evan Lauro. I mean they're

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Speaker 3: set there midfield. If they got to figure out what's

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Speaker 3: going on with Barrial and his loan situation. Do you

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Speaker 3: anticipate Barrial being here next year or is that ship,

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Speaker 3: in your opinion, sailed.

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Speaker 13: No.

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Speaker 5: Actually, there was reporting about a month ago that Santos,

449
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Speaker 5: the team he's with now down in Brazil, is going

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Speaker 5: to purchase his contracts from FC Cincinnati for the four

451
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Speaker 5: million dollars. And we're doing some back of the envelope

452
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Speaker 5: math because there were some he had to play in

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Speaker 5: a certain percentage of minutes of games through the regular

454
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Speaker 5: season something like that, and it automatically triggered the sale,

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Speaker 5: and I think he hit it over the weekend, so

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Speaker 5: I think he is He is gone, which is unfortunately

457
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Speaker 5: he's had insane season down in Brazil, but that is

458
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Speaker 5: four million dollars back to FCC to help rebuild next year.

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Speaker 3: The core of the defense, Haglin, Miosga, Robinson, they're all back.

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Speaker 3: A Debbe teenage, A Debbe is back midfield. I mean,

461
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Speaker 3: you're you're you're looking at kind of the same faces,

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Speaker 3: Buka and Shadik, who I thought was a terrific addition.

463
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Speaker 3: Uh Novodou is back, Orshano Evander obviously is back, even

464
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Speaker 3: the the young guy, uh Girodo Valenzuela is back. But

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Speaker 3: here we go up front and it seems like it's

466
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Speaker 3: the same story all the time. Den K is back,

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Speaker 3: great player, but I don't know what they build around him,

468
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Speaker 3: and do they have the money to build around him,

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Speaker 3: because the forward position looks a little thin at this point,

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Speaker 3: does it not?

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Speaker 5: It does? And they they said in this sort of

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Speaker 5: end or end of season roster announcements that they are

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Speaker 5: in negotiations with Udines for Brenner, and as far as

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Speaker 5: I can tell, there really isn't a mechanism to bring

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Speaker 5: Brenner back again. He took a pretty big haircut on

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Speaker 5: the on the salary to come back this you know,

477
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Speaker 5: port partial season, and I'm sure Brenner enjoyed his time.

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Speaker 5: He talked about how much he loved the club. At

479
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Speaker 5: the end of the day, I think he would rather

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Speaker 5: be in Europe. That's why he, you know, is doing

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Speaker 5: all of this. So I would suspect Brenner goes back

482
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Speaker 5: out on loan if he doesn't stay with his club,

483
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Speaker 5: He's back out on loan somewhere in Europe. But if

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Speaker 5: there is a way to bring him back, I am

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Speaker 5: you'd like to see it.

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Speaker 3: Do they have the money And I know that there's

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Speaker 3: all kinds of roster gymnastics you've got to go through

488
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Speaker 3: about players, designated players and all of that that MLS does,

489
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Speaker 3: But do they have the money to do if not,

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Speaker 3: if not Brenner, to at least address that position and

491
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Speaker 3: maybe maybe maybe maybe bring somebody in at that position

492
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Speaker 3: like den Cave like they did last year that really

493
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Speaker 3: gave it a boost. Do they.

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Speaker 5: So? Unfortunately no, so as far as designated players, which

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Speaker 5: the only thing you need to worry about with that

496
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Speaker 5: is these are players that don't count against the salary cap.

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Speaker 5: Very fun little mechanism that Major League Soccer has. But

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Speaker 5: FC Cincinnati only gets three of them, and next year

499
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Speaker 5: all three are spoken for. That is Miles Robinson, Kevin

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Speaker 5: den K and Evander. So if you're looking to bring

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Speaker 5: in another player of that caliber, you're going to have

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Speaker 5: to move one of those players out, which seems unlikely.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. Even if there is a market for

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Speaker 5: den K, there probably is a market for Evander. I

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Speaker 5: don't think there would be wae for Robinson, at least

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Speaker 5: not to the point to make it worthwhile for FDC. Right,

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Speaker 5: So what you're looking at, yeah, right, So what you're

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Speaker 5: looking at is the elbar player that they've brought in

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Speaker 5: the past, like Corey Baird or Sergio Santos. And it's

510
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Speaker 5: been a rough go the last couple of years. But

511
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Speaker 5: that same type of player was Brandon Vasquez a couple

512
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Speaker 5: of years ago. So if you could find somebody like that,

513
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Speaker 5: then you be cooking.

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Speaker 3: Well, it all gets started quickly because there's Champions Cup

515
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Speaker 3: next year. I would imagine there's a Champions Cup game

516
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Speaker 3: at some point very early on in twenty twenty six,

517
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Speaker 3: in February, and so they have to address some of

518
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Speaker 3: these roster decisions and what you're going to do. Then

519
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Speaker 3: if you're if you're hampered by designated players and or money,

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Speaker 3: you're going to have to figure out what you want

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Speaker 3: to do upfront, because, as we said, upfront is very thin.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to hit you with one more question, and

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Speaker 3: it's really not Jermane and at this point to Cincinnati,

524
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Speaker 3: but I find what the USL, the league that FCC

525
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Speaker 3: used to be in before jumping to MLS. I find

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Speaker 3: what they're doing is interesting. They're going to have a

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Speaker 3: top tier and I wonder if that will rival in

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Speaker 3: terms of dollars and strategy to take on some of

529
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Speaker 3: the players at MLS may be designating to come in,

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Speaker 3: you know, to the United States and the various clubs

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Speaker 3: that are here.

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Speaker 2: They will also have relegation.

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Speaker 3: Is it still, in your opinion, going to be quote

534
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Speaker 3: unquote Division two soccer? Or is this something kind of

535
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Speaker 3: like you're too young to remember this, the w or

536
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Speaker 3: the ABA taking on the NBA.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's interesting. I guess on some level they

539
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Speaker 5: need to differentiate themselves from Major League Soccer, and part

540
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Speaker 5: of that is promotion and relegation. It's a beloved part

541
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Speaker 5: of the sport around most of the rest of the world.

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Speaker 5: I know lots of American soccer fans would like to

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Speaker 5: see it here in the United States. I think there

544
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Speaker 5: is a pathway, There is potential for USL to do

545
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Speaker 5: something like that. But you mentioned those other leagues, the AVA,

546
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Speaker 5: the World Hockey League. Ultimately those leagues were absorbed by

547
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Speaker 5: the dominant league, and cynically you could say they were

548
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Speaker 5: even angling for that from the beginning. I could see

549
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Speaker 5: some USL teams basically putting themselves in the shop window. Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, Detroit.

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Speaker 5: I mean these are large markets, Tampa, Phoenix. Yeah, no

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Speaker 5: reason to think MLS couldn't go to forty and just

552
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Speaker 5: take the you know, ten or so teams that look

553
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Speaker 5: like they're going to make it and leave it there.

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Speaker 3: That could be, That could be, that could be the play,

555
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Speaker 3: all right, he is Kevin Wallace. The Sincy Post podcast

556
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Speaker 3: drops once a week, I believe, in the off season,

557
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Speaker 3: and it's available wherever you get your podcasts, from Apple, iTunes,

558
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Speaker 3: whatever it may be. Maybe even home delivery. Who knows,

559
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Speaker 3: Maybe Amazon delivers it right to your door. You don't know, Kevin, say,

560
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Speaker 3: well and you and I will visit down the road.

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Speaker 3: Thanks all.

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Speaker 5: It sounds good, Thanks Kevin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just think if they had won on Sunday night

564
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Speaker 3: last week, they would have played probably last night against

565
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Speaker 3: the New York City Football Club and that would have

566
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Speaker 3: been a matchup I think would have favored FC Cincinnati.

567
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Speaker 3: But that's one of those big old what ifs. Nine

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Speaker 3: five on this Sunday morning, Is there really a path

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Speaker 3: for the Bengals to the playoffs or are we all

570
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Speaker 3: just dreaming at this point. We'll get into that next

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Speaker 3: Here we go, here we go, Here we go into

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Speaker 3: the ten o'clock hour on this Bengalless Sunday.

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Speaker 2: O Bengals today.

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Speaker 3: They took care of business on Thursday, so they get

579
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Speaker 3: the weekend off. You got Buffalo at Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is

580
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Speaker 3: getting three at home in this game. It's a four

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Speaker 3: to twenty five start and Rogers will play fight having

582
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Speaker 3: three fractures in his left wrist. The word is that

583
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Speaker 3: they are not displaced fractures, which I guess if you

584
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Speaker 3: got to have a fracture, that's the way to have one.

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Speaker 3: But he wanted to play last week. He wanted to

586
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Speaker 3: finish the game here with the Bengals a couple of

587
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Speaker 3: weeks ago, and quite frankly, I think if he did,

588
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Speaker 3: the Bengals would have won that game. Actually the game

589
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Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh two two weeks ago, I think he would

590
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Speaker 3: have won that game. But nevertheless, he's there today as

591
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Speaker 3: they take on the Buffalo Bills, and at home Pittsburgh

592
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Speaker 3: is getting three. You root for You were for Buffalo

593
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Speaker 3: in that game, obviously for you root for whomever Pittsburgh

594
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Speaker 3: is playing each week, but you're root for you root

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Speaker 3: for Buffalo in that game, and then you hope the

596
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Speaker 3: Bengals can go to Buffalo next week and knock off

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Speaker 3: the Bills. Bills, among other things, have not looked sharp

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Speaker 3: the last few weeks, and they're not taking care of

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Speaker 3: the ball. In particular, their quarterback is not taking care

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Speaker 3: of the ball. But they can run, and they run well.

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Speaker 3: But nevertheless, they are three point favorites. Today in Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 3: Cleveland is at home getting five. San Francisco at Cleveland,

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Speaker 3: Cleveland at home getting five. Shador Sanders, who was okay

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Speaker 3: last week, he'll make another start. I think the biggest

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Speaker 3: stories are defense. Cleveland's defense is going to win games

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Speaker 3: this year, and as you look ahead to when they

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Speaker 3: finish the season here in Cincinnati, of all the things

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Speaker 3: I think you have to worry about when Cleveland comes

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Speaker 3: to town is what that pass attack, pass rush looks like.

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Speaker 3: And so we'll see what today delivers to them. And

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Speaker 3: of course Baltimore and Cincinnati have the day off. As

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Speaker 3: for what happened Thursday night, well, Joe Burrow thought, you know,

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Speaker 3: on all, on all levels, particularly with him, things were okay.

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Speaker 10: You know, I thought second half I started to put

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Speaker 10: it more where I wanted and settled in a little bit,

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Speaker 10: suddenly missing throws early that I typically make. But you know,

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Speaker 10: after that, I felt felt pretty comfortable back there. I

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Speaker 10: thought that the line did graat, we ran it well.

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Speaker 10: Obviously defense played great, so I'm just gonna keep getting better.

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Speaker 3: Well, the team has life after what happened on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: But right now, I think the way most metrics have it,

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Speaker 3: they've got a two point three to two point four

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Speaker 3: percent chance of making the playoffs. But there is a pathway.

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Speaker 3: There is a pathway. According to my next guest, John

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Speaker 3: Breach cbssports dot com, terrific sports writer headline on his

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Speaker 3: story late last week twenty twenty five NFL Playoff picture,

627
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Speaker 3: how Joe Burrow and the Bengals could make the postseason

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Speaker 3: after that shocking win over the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: Pipe dream reality? What's the pathway?

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Speaker 14: Here?

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Speaker 3: Now to weigh in on this Sunday morning, we welcome

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Speaker 3: in the author of that article, John breachcbssports dot com.

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Speaker 3: How are you on this glorious game day?

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Speaker 2: Do we have?

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Speaker 3: John? Is you there? John?

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Speaker 2: Online too? John? How are you on this glorious game day?

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Speaker 12: Ken?

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Speaker 15: I am fantastic as always because I'm hearing your voice.

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Speaker 16: That's always great to talk.

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Speaker 3: So that was kind of improbable. I think some of

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Speaker 3: us said it could happen. We didn't think it would happen.

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Speaker 3: But this Bengals team is night and day with Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if it's not evident to everyone by now,

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Speaker 3: it should be.

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Speaker 15: Well, it's interesting because I think go back to twenty

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Speaker 15: twenty three, Jake brown came in and played a few

647
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Speaker 15: games very well, and everybody said, well, Joe Burrow is

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Speaker 15: not that good. Jake Browning can on this offense. And

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Speaker 15: the same thing kind of happened this year where Joe

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Speaker 15: Flacco had to run a few games and it was

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Speaker 15: is Joe Burrow really that much better?

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Speaker 14: And so for him to come.

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Speaker 15: Out, and I think this was kind of the game

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Speaker 15: where everybody nodded their head and said, yes, Joe Burrow

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Speaker 15: is that much better. He makes everyone on the team better.

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Speaker 15: Whether it's the time of possession that they dominated against

657
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Speaker 15: the Ravens that keeps the defense on the field for

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Speaker 15: a lot less time which allowed them to play better.

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Speaker 15: It is just an all around better roster from top

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Speaker 15: to bottom with Joe Burrow in there. And this was

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Speaker 15: just the prime example of that.

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Speaker 3: I don't want what the defense did to be lost

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Speaker 3: in the narrative and find this very interesting. The Ravens

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Speaker 3: had the ball for thirteen drives in that game. Six

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Speaker 3: of those drives first down started with zero yards or less.

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Speaker 3: If you've got a team on its heels on first down,

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Speaker 3: chances are you're winning third down. The defense, the takeaways

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Speaker 3: were one thing, but the way they played consistently in

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Speaker 3: this game I think was not That was the shocking

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Speaker 3: thing considering what we've seen up until now. I mean, okay,

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Speaker 3: so Al Golden kind of dumb things down a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Does this carry for the rest of the year in

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Speaker 3: your opinion?

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Speaker 5: I think it might.

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Speaker 15: And really Joe Burrow's return overshadowed how well the defense played.

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Speaker 15: It was you had your secondary blanketing the receivers.

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Speaker 13: Lamar Jackson, Barry barely.

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Speaker 16: Completed fifty percent of his passes.

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Speaker 15: Jordan battles tackle on Isaila Likely at the goal line

680
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Speaker 15: that saved that touchdown. I feel like that flipped the

681
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Speaker 15: game because if Likely scores there, the Bengals go down fourteen.

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Speaker 16: To six, and it's almost a feeling.

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Speaker 13: Of oh no, here we go again.

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Speaker 15: And the defense just kept consistently making big plays. And

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Speaker 15: this is where we were just talking about how Burrow

686
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Speaker 15: makes everyone better. If you look at Joe Burrow's last

687
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Speaker 15: eight starts, he's eight.

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Speaker 5: No, he hasn't lost.

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Speaker 15: And that's why I think if people feel hopeful about

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Speaker 15: the playoffs, but one reason they're winning those games, it's

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Speaker 15: not just because of Burrow. The defense is only giving

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Speaker 15: up eighteen point nine points per game in.

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Speaker 3: Those eight starts.

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Speaker 15: Can now you look at the nine starts this year

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Speaker 15: without Burrow, they're giving up more than thirty five points

696
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Speaker 15: per game. So we're talking it's night in day, so

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Speaker 15: they're just out there. And I do think it does

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Speaker 15: have to do with Al Golden simplifying the defense, because

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Speaker 15: it's not just this game against Baltimore.

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Speaker 16: We saw it against the Patriots.

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Speaker 15: They played Drake made better than anyone has this season,

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Speaker 15: and then that Steelers.

703
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Speaker 16: Steelers scored thirty four, but there were the pick six.

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Speaker 15: In there by Joe Flaco, and the defense played well

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Speaker 15: for most of the game. So this is three weeks

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Speaker 15: of good football for that defense, and I do think

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Speaker 15: it can carry on through the rest of the season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and again with Burrow in there, I think it

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Speaker 3: changes the rhythm for everybody. Again, Thursday night, the Bengals

710
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Speaker 3: had the ball for twelve drives and four of those

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Speaker 3: were elongated drives ten plays or more. So you're given

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Speaker 3: your defensive breather and you're also on the field a

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Speaker 3: little bit, controlling the time of possession and then by

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Speaker 3: that controlling the rhythm. So I think there's Flacco can

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Speaker 3: throw you the deep ball and is quite capable of

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Speaker 3: leading a touchdown drive. But that those longer drives, I

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Speaker 3: think is so it gets everybody back up on the

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Speaker 3: balls of their feet and again giving your defense a

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Speaker 3: blow so they're not out there. I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: that was critical the time of possession. There's almost a

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Speaker 3: seventeen minute difference.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 15: Another thing you want out of your offense is you

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Speaker 15: don't want to have the three announced because that's where

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Speaker 15: if you have a struggling defense and they only get

726
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Speaker 15: a ninety second break because you're out there punting after

727
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Speaker 15: not getting a single first down, it's kind of another

728
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Speaker 15: that doesn't give the defense much confidence. Then they get

729
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Speaker 15: out in the field and they get run over again

730
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Speaker 15: and then things.

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Speaker 16: Go sideways from there.

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Speaker 2: So, like you said, the.

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Speaker 15: Sustained drives are really what the Bengals did well on Thursday,

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Speaker 15: what Joe Burrow does well. I think in the first

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Speaker 15: half alone, they had three drives that went ten plays

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Speaker 15: or more. So you're keeping your defense off the field,

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Speaker 15: you're keeping Lamar Jackson off the field, and it just

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Speaker 15: shows that the offense is in control of the flow

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Speaker 15: of the game. And when you're playing like that, you

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Speaker 15: could beat any team, and we just saw them dominate

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Speaker 15: the Ravens team that was in first place in the

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Speaker 15: AFC North. And if you can beat a good team

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Speaker 15: like that, you start feeling like you can beat anyone.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So you've got this story about how they can

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Speaker 3: get in and that is number one win out that

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Speaker 3: gets them to nine and eight. They would be five

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Speaker 3: and one in the division. You've got the Ravens. The

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Speaker 3: Ravens have games left with at the Bills and then

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Speaker 3: they come home. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. The Ravens to

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Speaker 3: have a game at home with Pittsburgh at the Bengals

751
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Speaker 3: home with the Patriots at Green Bay at Pittsburgh. That's

752
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Speaker 3: a tough schedule. I think of the three teams, you

753
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Speaker 3: may disagree, the team with the roughest road is Baltimore.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're talking about another game with Cincinnati, and

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Speaker 3: we're talking about games against arguably the best team in

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Speaker 3: the AFC and that's New England, and then having to

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Speaker 3: go to Green Bay. I think of the three, I

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Speaker 3: think the Ravens have the toughest road. You seem to

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Speaker 3: think from reading this that maybe the Steelers do, But

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Speaker 3: why would it not be a tough road or the

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Speaker 3: toughest road for Baltimore.

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Speaker 15: Well, it could be tough for both Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

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Speaker 15: I wouldn't be surprised if the Ravens win eight and nine.

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Speaker 15: The article just kind of showed that if all three

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Speaker 15: teams go nine to eight, that the Bengals will win

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Speaker 15: the division because they'll have that five to one division record,

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Speaker 15: which will be the ultimate tie breaker. But there's a

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Speaker 15: very good chance if the Bengals slip up somewhere, maybe

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Speaker 15: all three teams tie at eight to nine, because the

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Speaker 15: Ravens have a very difficult path to get to nine wins.

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Speaker 14: You just mention it.

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Speaker 15: They're six and six right now. That Patriots game, that

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Speaker 15: Packers game. They're going to be an underdog in both

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Speaker 15: of those games. They have to play the Steelers twice.

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Speaker 15: That feels like a split maybe, but they've struggled against

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Speaker 15: the Steelers. We already know that Joe Purrow he tends

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Speaker 15: to throw for a lot of yards when he is

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Speaker 15: playing that Ravens defense.

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Speaker 14: So I mean, there's a scenario where the.

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Speaker 15: Ravens don't win another game the rest of the season

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Speaker 15: because of how badly Lamark Jackson that offense has looked

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Speaker 15: really over the past three to five weeks. In the

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Speaker 15: past three games, zero touchdown, passes, five turnovers.

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Speaker 5: They're not going to win in the NFL.

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Speaker 15: That and Jackson just looks like a different quarterback right now.

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Speaker 3: And not in a good way.

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Speaker 15: So I mean the Ravens might only win one or

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Speaker 15: two more games with the way they're playing right now.

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Speaker 3: Okay, for this scenario to work, you have to get

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Speaker 3: a win. If you're Pittsburgh over Buffalo. Buffalo has not

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Speaker 3: played well. I go back to that game a week

792
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Speaker 3: ago Thursday Night against Houston. Houston's defense just enveloped the Bills.

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Speaker 3: So here we go today, just to just in a

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Speaker 3: few hours, you got Buffalo at Pittsburgh. Buffalo wins this game.

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 15: No, I think the Steelers are going to lose that game.

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Speaker 15: That is a game that I think Buffalo is going

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Speaker 15: to win. And you look at the situation. The Texans

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Speaker 15: have a very kind of unique setup. I mean, they

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Speaker 15: are the best defense in the NFL, and so you.

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Speaker 13: Have kind of that Danil.

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Speaker 15: Hunter, Will Anderson, you have two star players there. You

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Speaker 15: have a very very good second theory, and so you

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Speaker 15: know TJ.

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Speaker 13: Watt has been kind of he hasn't been.

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Speaker 15: As consistent as he has in the past, the games

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Speaker 15: where he's disappeared in some games where he's been absolutely dominant.

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Speaker 15: But I don't think the Bills are going to be

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Speaker 15: bullied in two straight games.

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Speaker 16: They've had ten days to kind of.

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Speaker 14: Figure things out.

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Speaker 15: And if you look at the Bills issues on defense,

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Speaker 15: which is everyone can run on them, I don't think

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Speaker 15: the Steelers really have the offense to take advantage of that.

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Speaker 15: So I do think Buffalo is going to win, knocking

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Speaker 15: the Steelers the six to six, and then by the

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Speaker 15: end of the day today, the Bengals are only two

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Speaker 15: games out of first setting in the week fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Against against those same Buffalo Bills. We're chatting with John

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Speaker 3: Breech cbssports dot com. Okay, does Kansas City make the playoffs?

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Speaker 3: I mean, after what happened on Thanksgiving Night, the loss

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Speaker 3: to Dallas, They've got a game against Houston next week

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Speaker 3: at Sunday Night football that's at their place. Then they

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Speaker 3: got the Chargers, the team that again is on the come.

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Speaker 3: They got what ought to be a layup at Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: They have to play Denver still and they finish up

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Speaker 3: at Las Vegas. I mean, there's a real scenario where

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Speaker 3: Kansas City does not make the playoffs. Do you think

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Speaker 3: they will?

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Speaker 15: I do not think the Chiefs are going to make

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Speaker 15: the playoffs. I that I wrote something on that after

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Speaker 15: they lost to the Broncos a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 15: that felt like not necessarily the final dagger because it's

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Speaker 15: the Chiefs, it's Patrick Mahomes, and you feel like if

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Speaker 15: they need to run the table that they could possibly

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Speaker 15: do it. And then beating the Colts in Week twelve,

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Speaker 15: when in a game they really had to win, it

838
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Speaker 15: was like, all right, well they're going to do it

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Speaker 15: because they just keep winning. But this was a game

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Speaker 15: against the Cowboys on Thanksgiving where you expected that again,

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Speaker 15: you thought they would find a way to win, and

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Speaker 15: they just couldn't do it. And this is not the

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Speaker 15: Chiefs teams of pass. The offense has just looked a

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Speaker 15: little bit.

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Speaker 16: Out of Saint Patrick Mahomes hasn't.

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Speaker 15: Looked as comfortable, and the defense hasn't been able to

847
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Speaker 15: close games like it has in the past. So they

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Speaker 15: have a pretty tough schedule. You mentioned that game against

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Speaker 15: the Texans. I don't know if they win that I

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Speaker 15: think they have to run the table, and with games

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Speaker 15: against the Texans Chargers of Broncos, I don't think it happens.

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Speaker 15: Maybe they get the nine to eight or ten and seven,

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Speaker 15: but I do not think they.

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Speaker 3: Are going to be in the player out this year.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a fun final five, There's no question

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Speaker 3: about that, and you can follow it on cbssports dot

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Speaker 3: com with John Breach among a great stable of writers

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Speaker 3: at that website. Okay, John, stay well and we'll be

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Speaker 3: calling down the road. Thanks thanks for having me ken Bet.

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Speaker 2: Bengals have to win out.

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Speaker 3: That's you know, that's obvious, and then things have to

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Speaker 3: fall right in the division and the division will dictate

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Speaker 3: who wins. How you do in those division games will

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Speaker 3: dictate who wins. Finally, the AFC North, which honestly has

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Speaker 3: been disappointing because of injury largely but also because of

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Speaker 3: not so great play as well. But that's the whole key.

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Speaker 3: They have to win out. That is no small trick.

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Speaker 3: And yes they have done things like this before, but

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Speaker 3: they have to do things like that to have any

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Speaker 3: future after the regular season. Still, I mean a really

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Speaker 3: long shot. But that went on Thursday night at least

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Speaker 3: kept them breathing for another week. And next up is

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Speaker 3: Buffalo next Sunday. We are at ten twenty three already

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Speaker 3: here to twelve thirty today and then some NFL football

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Speaker 3: for you. Got a couple of games this afternoon since

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Speaker 3: it's a Bengal is Sunday coming up. Lee Sterling Paramount

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Speaker 3: sports dot com. He has five games today that he

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Speaker 3: is convinced will be winners for you. He's on the

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Speaker 3: horizon on seven hundred WDLW ten thirty eight News Radio

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Speaker 3: seven hundred WLW Welcome back Sunday morning sports talk.

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Speaker 2: I am Ken Brood.

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00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 3: And a little bit behind that Bengals beat down in

883
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 3: Baltimore the other night, what it really meant, what it

884
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 3: really means, and what should we know about this team

885
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: going forward? Now that Burrow is back and at eleven

886
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Speaker 3: thirty six, about an hour from now, a little less

887
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 3: than an hour from now, one of the great blues

888
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Speaker 3: guitarists of our time is going to join me, Kenny

889
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 3: Wayne Sheppard coming to town next April to the Tap Theater,

890
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: and and this particular tour has Kenny Wayne playing I

891
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: guess cut to cut, as they would say on a

892
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: vinyl album cut to cut his first ever album, led

893
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 3: Better Heights, only this time he'll have Noah Hunt on vocals.

894
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Speaker 3: It's coming up at about eleven thirty six. So the

895
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Speaker 3: Bengals won the other night because they played really good defense.

896
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: I mean, the Burrow story, the Burrow comeback is one thing,

897
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 3: but the defense they showed in that game was night

898
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Speaker 3: and day from just about everything we've seen so far

899
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Speaker 3: this season. There were four fumble recoveries and an interception.

900
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: Those turnovers were massive, no small reason why that the

901
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Speaker 3: Bengals won. And Joseph Osai now four tackles, two sacks,

902
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 3: two tackles were lost, four quarterback hits and he had

903
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: a forced fumble. He had a huge game. And after

904
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Speaker 3: the game he was talking about generating turnovers and why

905
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Speaker 3: it was so intricate in that win Thursday night, here's Osai.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, exactly, exactly, and it only takes one. Everybody knows

907
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 17: when it comes to the football, they come in a.

908
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 12: Bunch of it only takes one.

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Speaker 15: And that's exactly what happened to day.

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Speaker 17: And that's just giving the younger guys hope to keep

911
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 17: working at it, keep working other things. You know that

912
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Speaker 17: the tough secure, the punch that tip, get your hands up.

913
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Speaker 5: If you're not getting it the rest, get your hands up.

914
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Speaker 2: You can tip a pass change the game.

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Speaker 5: And that's exactly what happens.

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Speaker 13: So it's good to see for.

917
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Speaker 3: Third that is exactly what happened. So the Bengals get

918
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Speaker 3: a Sunday off. But there are five games today that

919
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Speaker 3: I think are intriguing, not the least of which goes

920
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Speaker 3: down in Pittsburgh at about four to twenty five this afternoon.

921
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Speaker 3: You got the Bills at seven and four at the

922
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Speaker 3: six and five Steelers. Standing by the way in on

923
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Speaker 3: that and several more is a guy who is with

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Speaker 3: us every single Sunday throughout the NFL season. He's our

925
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Speaker 3: good buddy from Paramount sports dot com.

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Speaker 2: Lee Sterling. How are you on this glorious game day?

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Speaker 14: I am, I am great, And wow, what a Thanksgiving Day?

928
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 14: Three underdogs, all right, So that was a lot of

929
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Speaker 14: fun watching that. And let me tell you something, if

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Speaker 14: only Cincinnati, you know, if they were around five hundred,

931
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Speaker 14: they would be my favorite to.

932
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Speaker 2: Make the playoffs.

933
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Speaker 14: The Cowboys who are left for dead. I never thought

934
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Speaker 14: I'd say this three weeks ago, or even two weeks ago.

935
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Speaker 14: Right now, I would hate to play. They're the team

936
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Speaker 14: I would not want to face, maybe over any team

937
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Speaker 14: right now, but the next.

938
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Speaker 2: Couple of weeks, how about Detroit.

939
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: Detroit might be on life support now, right, I mean

940
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 3: it's crazy.

941
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 14: Defense looks terrible. Defense looks absolutely atrocious. Even some of

942
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Speaker 14: their better players, they're just not playing up the party.

943
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Speaker 2: They're no pass rush Hutchins.

944
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Speaker 14: I mean he was at one point one of the best,

945
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Speaker 14: you know, pass rushers. Nothing linebackers. They can't make tackles

946
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Speaker 14: in space, and we know their cornerbacks and safety are bad,

947
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Speaker 14: but they're even worse than I thought they were. So

948
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Speaker 14: I don't know if Detroit's gonna make the playoffs. Gonna

949
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Speaker 14: be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean I think there are anything but

951
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: a sure bet we got We got a couple of

952
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Speaker 3: good ones, actually five good ones. Today they've got the

953
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Speaker 3: forty nine ers at eight and four at the three

954
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Speaker 3: and eight Browns. Browns are getting five forty nine ers

955
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Speaker 3: aren't going to catch the Rams, but you know they

956
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Speaker 3: got to win ten, and I think they will. Here's

957
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Speaker 3: Cleveland Shuor Sanders gave them life last week. Miles Garrett

958
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Speaker 3: three more sacks. Brown's getting five at home today.

959
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Speaker 14: What do you think so, I wouldn't say that that

960
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 14: Sugar Sanders is good. I would say below average, not horrendous.

961
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Speaker 2: At least he can push the ball down the field

962
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Speaker 2: pro a deep ball.

963
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Speaker 14: They couldn't do anything, you know, when they had Gabriel

964
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Speaker 14: in there, so at least he can do that. He's

965
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Speaker 14: gonna throw some interceptions. Here's what's making them an almost

966
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Speaker 14: average team. They always had good d drushers, but they

967
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Speaker 14: have two defensive tackles that can stop the run and

968
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Speaker 14: pushed the pocket. They are a really good defense. Their

969
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 14: safeties are a little slow, but when you have a

970
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Speaker 14: good pass rush, you know you got to cover guys

971
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Speaker 14: for just the second less here, I think the Fortys

972
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Speaker 14: are a little fraudulent, I mean pretty three interceptions. He's

973
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 14: decision making, he's just processing a little too slow. Give

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Speaker 14: you the Browns here, straight up. I think they pulled

975
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 14: the upside here. Twenty four to twenty one.

976
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 3: Twenty four to twenty one the Browns, and that he

977
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Speaker 3: gives them four. They're in here the last week of

978
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 3: the season, Buffalo may control the winner of the AFC North.

979
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you why. There's seven and four. They're at

980
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Speaker 3: the six and five Steelers. Steelers to getting three and

981
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 3: a half. Cincinnati's got to go to Buffalo next week.

982
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 3: Steelers have got Buffalo at home this week. Buffalo is

983
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 3: coming in there after the bye. After that terrible loss.

984
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 3: I thought to Houston a couple of weeks ago, I

985
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: know your thoughts on teams coming off buys, but the

986
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 3: Steelers are banged up a little bit on defense. So

987
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 3: how's the play it out? In your opinion?

988
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 14: They are banged up, But I think Buffalo is not

989
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 14: going to make Super Bowl. I would bet anything on it.

990
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 14: I truly believe that Houston. Now, it does happen sometimes,

991
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 14: you know, in this short week, playing on a Thursday night,

992
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 14: teams get beaten on the road back. But their offensive line,

993
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 14: I mean they're taking a part. Josh Allen sacked eight times.

994
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 14: I's like the average person getting sacked twelve to fourteen times.

995
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 14: He's so elusive and so strong. Their offensive line I

996
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 14: think mentally and physically knows that they're just not that good.

997
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 14: And then the defense they lost another couple starters to

998
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 14: injury in that game. I think that they know that

999
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 14: they're not the same team here. I'm not saying the

1000
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 14: Steelers are great. But I thought the Rudolph is pretty good.

1001
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 14: Except for the interception of the fumble, I thought he

1002
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 14: looked great, so overall give him a grade of six

1003
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 14: and a half seven. I don't care who plays quarterback

1004
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 14: for the Steelers. I think they win the game out

1005
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 14: right here. I'm gonna say twenty eight, twenty four.

1006
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: Twenty eight to twenty four Pittsburgh.

1007
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 3: Don't worry about the points so well, that'd get them

1008
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 3: to seven in the North, and it may only be

1009
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: nine that you need to get home there.

1010
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 2: Jags are seven and four.

1011
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 3: They're at the Titans one in ten, and this looks

1012
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 3: like a mismatch. But the one that I think is

1013
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 3: a little difficult to put my arms around here. The

1014
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 3: Lion is only six and a half, Titans six and

1015
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 3: a half at home against the team that could be

1016
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 3: a playoff team, and the Titans are going nowhere. Why

1017
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 3: do you think that Lion is so slim?

1018
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 14: They're baiting you, They're dying for you to take. I

1019
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 14: believe the Jaguars. I don't think the Jaguars are that good.

1020
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 14: I think that they're going to move over on from

1021
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 14: Trevor Lawrence at the end of the year. He and

1022
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 14: Liam com just watch their you know, just watch way

1023
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 14: they interact. Something's going on there. Liam Cohen does not

1024
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 14: believe in Trevor Lawrence the running game is good, but

1025
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 14: can't trust him. And I just think the Titans are

1026
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 14: actually as bad and as untalented as they are. They're

1027
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 14: getting a little bit better. They're coming together, they know

1028
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 14: what they are and cam work starting to really come on.

1029
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 14: I'm going I'm going.

1030
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: To Titans here.

1031
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 14: I think the Jags escape hereeven twenty.

1032
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 3: Eight, twenty seven, So you're going, Titans in the points, right,

1033
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 3: Titans in the poort? Okay, I got yeah, boy, the Jags.

1034
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 3: They still have two left with Indy and a trip

1035
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 3: to Denver at the end of this season. You got

1036
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 3: the Raiders at two and nine and they just fired

1037
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 3: their offensive coordinator, and then they're at the Chargers seven

1038
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 3: and four.

1039
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: They lost to Jacksonville last week. But here's the deal.

1040
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 3: Chargers are seven and four and giving nine and a

1041
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 3: half to a really bad Raiders team. That's a that's

1042
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 3: a pretty healthy number. Regardless. What do you think.

1043
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 14: Blot coming out to Tom Brady did not want Chip

1044
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 14: Kelly or wanted them fired. I mean they're leaking that

1045
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 14: that Chip Kelly might have called some the wrong place,

1046
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 14: like motion going one way should have been the other way.

1047
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 14: I mean, there's a lot of things going on. Here's

1048
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 14: the biggest thing. And the rumor is Tom Brady did

1049
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 14: not want Sam Donald well Downald had a bad last game.

1050
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 14: But Kim Donald is the light years ahead of Gino.

1051
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 14: So I just think that this is a bad, bad

1052
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 14: set up here for the Raiders here. I think there's

1053
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 14: so much turmoil going on here. Chargers are better coached,

1054
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 14: better quarterback, their offensive lines actually coming around a little bit.

1055
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 14: The biggest mistake they did was not Tidon Williams, the

1056
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 14: running back who they drafted a couple of years ago,

1057
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 14: and he tore his atl two years ago, came back

1058
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 14: last year, was not great, but look him this year

1059
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 14: with the Cowboys.

1060
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 12: So JK.

1061
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: Dobbins is injured.

1062
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 14: They don't have great running backs, but you have pretty

1063
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 14: good receivers here, and we know they have a good defense.

1064
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 14: Sometimes you get to lay it if you want to

1065
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 14: play a Chargers here.

1066
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 3: Thirty one thirteen thirty one thirteen. Chargers to go to

1067
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 3: eight and four and at least keep paced with Denver,

1068
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 3: depending on the Broncos. We'll get to that in a minute.

1069
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Speaker 2: We're on the.

1070
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Speaker 3: Cusp of December here, Lee, what's going on at Paramount

1071
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Speaker 3: Sports now to the end.

1072
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Speaker 2: Of the year.

1073
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Speaker 14: Yeah, so we are red hot again. Thirty four to

1074
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 14: fifteen and one in the NFL leaves NFL Sunday Golden Ticket.

1075
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Speaker 5: That's right, the Golden ticket.

1076
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Speaker 14: Five selections today, five for the next four weeks. That's

1077
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Speaker 14: twenty whole selections, one hundred and ninety seven dollars. Let

1078
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Speaker 14: me repeat that, thirty four to fifteen and one NFL

1079
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 14: Golden Ticket, one hundred and ninety seven dollars for four

1080
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Speaker 14: weeks of NFL games, five games every week. One place

1081
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Speaker 14: Paramount sports dot com.

1082
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 3: You're down in Florida? Is that golden ticket gets you?

1083
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 3: Like a free passer? The buffet line at one of

1084
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 3: those cafeterias? Is that to come with it too?

1085
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: I used to love cafeterias.

1086
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Speaker 14: Don't more cafteriries anymore.

1087
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Speaker 3: I know they're gone.

1088
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Speaker 5: Have anywhere you are?

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00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, they're gone. There used to be a

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00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 3: great cafeteria in Tampa. When I work down there at Morrisons,

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00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 3: Morrison's cafeteria is wonderful. Oh my god, remember that Oh.

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00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 5: That was the bomb, and I don't need much.

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00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 14: I used to love the liver and onions and all

1094
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 14: the side dishes like candy dams, and then the desserts.

1095
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 14: There was like eight or ten different pies. Was it

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00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 14: was tremendous. So I'm going on the road and traveling

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Speaker 14: with my family.

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Speaker 2: You know, we used to take we had a van.

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Speaker 14: We had a Swinger van nineteen seventy six. Swinger van

1100
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 14: went around the United States. You look at cafeteria, you

1101
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 14: were living lord.

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00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 3: We had a Sunday night game. We got the Broncos

1103
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 3: at nine to two at the Commanders three and eight.

1104
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 3: Of course, you know, the Washington is just a shadow

1105
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 3: what they were with Jaden Daniels, but he is back

1106
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 3: in practice.

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00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 2: Eight game winning straight for Denver.

1108
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 3: They give up a lot of penalties, but they seem

1109
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 3: to work their way through it. Here they are at

1110
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 3: the Commander's. Commander's getting six and a half. What do

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00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 3: you think.

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Speaker 14: I think there's a crazy game. I think the Commanders

1113
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 14: are going to hang them, and you want to lay

1114
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 14: six and a half on the road, Washington, get a

1115
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 14: little healthier receiver. Here, give me the points here, call

1116
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 14: for the upset. I like the Commanders here twenty to sixteen,

1117
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 14: twenty to sixteen, you don't even need the points.

1118
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 3: All right, Lee will visit next week. Stay well and

1119
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 3: have a great.

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Speaker 2: Week, do you, buddy Tank here? Yes, sir, yes, sir.

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Speaker 2: All right.

1122
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 3: So he likes the Browns at home today getting five,

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00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 3: He said, you're not going to need the points. He said,

1124
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 3: forty nine ers, they're they're ready to stumble here. Take

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00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: the Browns today at home. Browns to go four and eight.

1126
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 3: If that happens. Bill Steelers, Yeah, he's taking chalk, he is,

1127
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 3: He's taking Steelers. Steelers are getting three and a half

1128
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 3: in this game. He said, again, you don't need it.

1129
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 3: Take the dog Steelers win to go to seven and five.

1130
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 3: Jags at Titans. Titans have won once in eleven games.

1131
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 3: He says, the Titans are going to win this game,

1132
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 3: but with the points. Twenty eight, twenty seven, with the points.

1133
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 3: Take the Titans Raiders at the Chargers again. The Raiders

1134
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 3: seem to be imploding. Chargers look seven and four after

1135
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 3: that loss in Jacksonville.

1136
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: The two back of Denver.

1137
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 3: If Denver stumbles in this game against the Commanders, that

1138
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 3: opens the door maybe a little bit for the Chargers

1139
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 3: to win that division. Nevertheless, at seven and four, he said,

1140
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 3: Chargers are laying nine and a half. Forget it. Just

1141
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 3: take the Chargers sometimes you got to lay them to

1142
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 3: win them. And Sunday Night Football Broncos at nine to two,

1143
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 3: writing an eight game win streak, he says it ends tonight.

1144
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 3: He says, the Commanders win it twenty to sixteen, and

1145
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 3: you won't need the six and a half you're getting

1146
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 3: if you play the Commanders. That's what he likes. We'll

1147
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 3: let you know next week exactly how he did. Coming

1148
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 3: up on ten fifty one on this Sunday plenty to

1149
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 3: get to before we're done at twelve thirty on seven

1150
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 3: hundred WLW coming up after the news with privatlylockerprofootball focus

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Speaker 3: dot Com.

1152
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: Just to the wake of that.

1153
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 3: I know it's other people's problems, but here there's Lebar

1154
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 3: Jackson speaking to the media after just a horrific game

1155
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 3: for him and his team on Thursday night.

1156
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 17: I can't describe the level of frustration. You know, I'm off.

1157
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 17: You know, it's not even frustrating, just mad, because like

1158
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 17: I said, we can't have that. It turned over a

1159
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 17: bit part of winning losing games and turning the ball

1160
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 17: over giving them an extra possession. This is the outcome.

1161
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 3: No, they actually it was five turnovers, but who's counting right. Meanwhile,

1162
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 3: in the Bengals locker room, Zach Taylor was beside himself.

1163
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 2: He was handing out game balls. This is what it

1164
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: sounded like.

1165
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 18: Listen, I'm proud of you guys day. This season hasn't

1166
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 18: been what we expected to farm. But all you guys done,

1167
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 18: keep fighting, keep working, and tonight is the fruit of

1168
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 18: those labors.

1169
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 14: Man.

1170
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Speaker 18: You guys have practice to me. You come out here

1171
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 18: and you compete, you believe in each other, you take

1172
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 18: care of each other. You found a big win and

1173
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 18: now that's gonna be a momental builder for us going

1174
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 18: into the month of December. Okay, all right, appreciate you guys.

1175
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 18: I got a lot of game balls to get back.

1176
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 18: It's been a long time. Kerry laudible.

1177
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: Okay, six field goal, Yeah, there you go.

1178
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 3: Evan McPherson gets one of those many game balls that

1179
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 3: was handed out in the locker room after the game

1180
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 3: and went rightfully. So the guy was just money in

1181
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 3: that game on Thursday night. But you know, I mean,

1182
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 3: people are saying, hey, it's one win, What does it mean, Well,

1183
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 3: it was one win, but you needed the one win

1184
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 3: to at least keep yourself breathing Taylor with the media afterward.

1185
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 19: We're just going to keep fighting one week at a time.

1186
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 7: I know.

1187
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Speaker 19: We got Buffalo ten days from now. That's our focus.

1188
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 19: We just try to control that. Don't worry about the

1189
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 19: big picture right now. Just keep taking a one game

1190
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 19: out of time. This is exact position we were in

1191
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 19: last year, you know, and so unfortunately we've been here.

1192
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 19: We know how to dig our way out of it,

1193
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 19: and that's what's going to take.

1194
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Speaker 2: Well.

1195
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 3: They get back to work on Buffalo starting tomorrow. Meanwhile,

1196
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Speaker 3: in college football, the Lane Kiffin drama continues. There is

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Speaker 3: apparently a team meeting at two o'clock our time down

1198
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 3: in Missippi where he'll gather his team together, or maybe

1199
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Speaker 3: someone will gather the team together. He's still expected to

1200
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Speaker 3: take that offer from LSU to replace Brian Kelly, but

1201
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 3: Kiffen wants to finish the season. Oh Miss has got

1202
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 3: a great chance of advancing to the College Football Playoff,

1203
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 3: and he wants a chance to coach the team through

1204
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Speaker 3: the rest of the season. And of course, if you're

1205
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 3: old Miss, why would you want a head coach inside

1206
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 3: your building for a month getting paid in essence by

1207
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 3: arrival LSU, and then you're going to go to LSU

1208
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 3: and maybe even start poaching players when the transport portal

1209
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 3: opens up on January tewod But Kiffin is threatening to

1210
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 3: take his entiresive offensive coaching staff with him to LSU.

1211
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 3: That's his leverage, right, I said, Okay, you don't want

1212
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 3: to let me coach for the rest of the year,

1213
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 3: I'll take my entire staff with me on the offensive

1214
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 3: side of the Oh, and good luck navigating your way

1215
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 3: through the college football playoff.

1216
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: So it's ugly.

1217
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 3: I still think he goes to LSU, But nevertheless, that's

1218
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Speaker 3: where that is at. Oh and one other thing, ball projections.

1219
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 3: Everybody wants to know who's going to what bowl the

1220
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 3: teams that don't make the college Football Playoff. One of

1221
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Speaker 3: the balls that's been prominently mentioned for the University of

1222
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 3: Cincinnati is the Rate Bowl, which I believe is on

1223
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Speaker 3: December twenty seventh. Here now is Athlon Sports with their

1224
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 3: bowl projection just out in the last couple of hours.

1225
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 3: They have the University of Cincinnati going to the Liberty

1226
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 3: Bowl in Memphis on January twod against East Carolina.

1227
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 2: So if you're a UC fan.

1228
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Speaker 3: Memphis New Year's Eve day to recover day to play

1229
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 3: the game. Memphis is not the safest of all towns

1230
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 3: in this country, certainly at this point, but it's not

1231
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 3: a bad town to go to for a holiday. All right,

1232
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 3: straight ahead, more on that beatdown in Buffalo on seven

1233
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 3: hundred WLW Sorks Talk with.

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Speaker 1: Your host Ken Brew on news radio seven hundred wl.

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Speaker 3: W, eight minutes after eleven on this Sunday, Good Morning,

1236
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Speaker 3: Sunday Morning sports are I wouldn't be the same without you,

1237
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 3: one would hope it wouldn't be the same without me,

1238
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 3: But then again, that might be a good thing. So

1239
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 3: coming up at the bottom of the hour, I just

1240
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 3: marvel at this man's talent and exactly what he's been

1241
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 3: able to do in a very short career, and in

1242
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 3: a very short career, he has almost redefined the way

1243
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 3: blues music is played. Coming up at eleven thirty six,

1244
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 3: Kenny Wayne Shepard got a big tour set to kick

1245
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 3: off here after the first of the year that will

1246
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 3: wind its way through Cincinnati, and he'll.

1247
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 2: Be playing cut to cut, front to back.

1248
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 3: His groundbreaking and debut album led Better Heights when he

1249
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 3: arrives here in Cincinnati in April the next year. But

1250
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 3: when they said, hey, would you like a few minutes

1251
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 3: with Kenny Wayne Shephard, I said always. Always. Joe Burrow

1252
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 3: was twenty four or forty six on Thursday, two hundred

1253
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 3: and sixty one yards and two touchdowns, didn't throw an interception,

1254
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 3: And in large part I thought, not just what he

1255
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 3: contributed in those numbers, but just in the energy and

1256
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 3: the focus of that team, like Daddy's home. One of

1257
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 3: those things I think is intangible, which is the up

1258
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 3: you know, just getting everybody up on the balls of

1259
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 3: their feet. The other is tangible, it's the numbers that

1260
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 3: he put up, which I just recited. So after the game,

1261
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson sorry. After the game, Jamar Chase was asked

1262
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 3: what exactly did you see from Joe Burrow and what

1263
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 3: did it mean having him back here?

1264
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Speaker 17: His answer, now, overall feel like we could have capitalized

1265
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 17: a lot more.

1266
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he could say the same.

1267
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 3: But I still think he did a good job of

1268
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 3: just keeping.

1269
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Speaker 17: The momentum going when he had the opportunities to keep

1270
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 17: it going and captainizing on those situations.

1271
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Speaker 2: For offers.

1272
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if you look at it, if you

1273
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 3: just strictly look at it from that standpoint, he just

1274
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 3: did what he had to do.

1275
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 2: And as.

1276
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor said a couple of minutes ago, hey, you

1277
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 3: know been here before, know how to get out of

1278
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 3: this mess. And that looked like a really good first step.

1279
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 3: What was it and realistically, what are we looking at here?

1280
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 3: Because one would see a scenario where it just seems

1281
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 3: not workable. Today's game between Buffalo and the Steelers will

1282
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 3: go a long way in determining just how doable it is.

1283
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 3: The Bengals have to win out and then other things

1284
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 3: have to happen in and around them. And remember too

1285
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 3: that the Steelers and the Ravens have yet to play.

1286
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 3: There's still two games left between those two teams, and

1287
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 3: that will go a long way in determining whether or

1288
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 3: not the Bengals get to where they think they can

1289
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 3: get or they hope they can get at this point,

1290
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 3: and that would be to the playoffs. You got Baltimore.

1291
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 3: They're off obviously this weekend too, but they finish up

1292
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 3: against the Steelers, then back here against the Bengals, they

1293
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 3: go back home to play the Patriots, arguably the best

1294
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 3: team in the AFC, and then they finish up on

1295
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 3: the road at Green Bay and at Pittsburgh.

1296
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Speaker 2: That's brutal.

1297
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 3: On the other hand, here's the Steelers after or I

1298
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 3: should say, going into today. They've got today's game at

1299
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 3: home with Buffalo, then they go to Baltimore. Then they

1300
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 3: come back home and play Miami in Pittsburgh. One would

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Speaker 3: think that's a Steelers win. Then they have to go

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Speaker 3: to Detroit, team that is fighting for its playoff survival.

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Speaker 2: Then they have to go to Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Those games are knocked down, dragout fights between those two franchises,

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Speaker 3: and they finish up at home against the Ravens. So

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Speaker 3: there's a going a lot of moving parts to where

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Speaker 3: it is right now. But with the win on Thursday,

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01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 3: the Bengals still somehow, some way or a piece of

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01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 3: those moving parts. And here to weigh in. So man

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Speaker 3: that I like to call the heart, the mind, and

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Speaker 3: the soul of profootballfocus dot com the most analytical website

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Speaker 3: out there any sport, anywhere, and it's based right here

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Speaker 3: in Cincinnati. I'd like to welcome in Bradley Locker. Bradley,

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Speaker 3: you read Bradley's stuff you understand why he's so revered

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Speaker 3: in the hallways at Pro Footballfocus dot com and he

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Speaker 3: makes time on his Sunday to join us right now,

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Speaker 3: and Bradley, how are you in this glorious game day?

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Speaker 13: Okay the first time, I appreciate the very very kind words.

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Speaker 13: But doing well.

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Speaker 20: And it's certainly been a fun weekend of lots of

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Speaker 20: good football, including what the Bengals did, and one of

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Speaker 20: the more uneffected results of the place so far on

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Speaker 20: Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: So you did not expect that to happen on Thursday night.

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Speaker 13: No, I most certainly did not.

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Speaker 20: I kind of figured, based on how the trajectory of

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Speaker 20: the Cincinnati defense has gone and the Ravens being on

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Speaker 20: the stem win streak, that they would kind of march

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Speaker 20: down the field and do whatever they wanted to the

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Speaker 20: Bengals defense. But that was most certainly not what happened

1331
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Speaker 20: at all. The Ravens offense was pretty languid the entire night.

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Speaker 20: EPA per play is one of my favorite figures, and

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Speaker 20: I think one of the consensus metrics to understand kind

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Speaker 20: of offensive efficiency and correlation and performance. And of course,

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Speaker 20: when you only score fourteen points that you start to

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Speaker 20: raise some questions about how efficient the offense is, and

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Speaker 20: the Ravens average negative zero point three six three epa

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Speaker 20: per play, which is one of the worst marks that

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Speaker 20: you'll probably see for Lamar jackson offense in a very

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Speaker 20: long time, maybe ever. And I think that's just assessment

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Speaker 20: to how good the Bengals defense was and how much

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Speaker 20: Jackson struggled in this game as well.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: The defense has played well for Cincinnati the last couple

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Speaker 3: of games before this game has passed Thursday night, and

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Speaker 3: certainly not as atrociously as it played in about the

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Speaker 3: month and a half before. Then.

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Speaker 2: What's the difference why?

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Speaker 3: I guess a lot of people are saying why their

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Speaker 3: best defensive player wasn't there. The linebackers are still rookies.

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Speaker 3: Was it all Cincinnati's defense, in your opinion, or was

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Speaker 3: it the inability of Lamar Jackson to look like Lamar

1353
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Speaker 3: Jackson Because he didn't look like Lamar Jackson. He looked

1354
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Speaker 3: like Tito Jackson out there? What was going on?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I think it's probably a combination of both, But

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Speaker 20: it is an interesting philosophical question. And you're right, the

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Speaker 20: Bengals defense has certainly been better last two weeks of

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01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 20: course there are some games yes to be played on

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Speaker 20: the Sunday, but the Bengals defense is ninth in defensive

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Speaker 20: EPA for play and success rate as well a little

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Speaker 20: bit better at seventeenths which again, if your out goals

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Speaker 20: in the Bengals defense coordinator, you will certainly take those

1363
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Speaker 20: metrics against two high caliber offenses, one of the best

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Speaker 20: offense in the NFL in New England and another one

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Speaker 20: that is usually elite in Baltimore.

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Speaker 13: Not quite as much. Some speculation that Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 20: Still playing your injury, but I think you do have

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Speaker 20: to pick your cap to some of the individual efforts

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Speaker 20: of the Bengals defense. One player in particular who definitely

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Speaker 20: shined in this game, Joseph Sti, with eight preussures had

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Speaker 20: an eighty five tooin zero PFF pass rushing grade. He

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Speaker 20: certainly made his impact felt all night, all sort of

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Speaker 20: fifteen point six percent passed rush Win Ray that is

1374
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Speaker 20: certainly well above average. And then in the secondary too,

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Speaker 20: the Bengals had a lot of with this strong individual effort.

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Speaker 20: Can he really praise enough DJ Turner and what he's

1377
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Speaker 20: done for the Bengals.

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Speaker 13: Defense this year.

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Speaker 20: He feels like he's been kind of a gem on

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Speaker 20: a unit that doesn't have a lot of household names

1381
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Speaker 20: or players that are playing.

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Speaker 13: At that level. But he really is kind of at.

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Speaker 20: An all pro level season that he's put in together

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Speaker 20: for Cincinnati. In this game against Baltimore, produced a seventy

1385
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Speaker 20: nine point two PFF coverage grade with one pass breakup.

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Speaker 20: He only allowed one cast for eight yards on three targets,

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Speaker 20: and of course, starting someone like Zay Flowers all night

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Speaker 20: is an easier task. And another player I want to

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Speaker 20: shine to is Dak Hill. He was someone who definitely

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Speaker 20: flashed in that game against the Steelers two weeks ago.

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Speaker 20: Need another nice night against Baltimore, seventy seven point nine

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Speaker 20: PFF coverage grade, only a lot of three cashes on

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Speaker 20: six targets for twenty eight yards, also had a pass breakup,

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Speaker 20: made two stops as well, did not miss a tackle

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Speaker 20: as well in that on five attempts. So I'm starting

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Speaker 20: to see these kind of blue ship level players that

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Speaker 20: Cincinnati expected maybe playing to that tune. And that's kind

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Speaker 20: of why maybe see a better correlation in the defensive performance.

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Speaker 2: Dak's Hill, right, that's the guy, right.

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Speaker 5: That was a good up.

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Speaker 3: Okay, were you more surprised with the way the Bengals

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Speaker 3: defense acquitted itself. Were more surprised by what Joe Burrow did.

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Speaker 13: I think it has to go with the Bengals defense.

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Speaker 20: As I talked about, the Ravens offense hasn't necessarily been

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Speaker 20: the most efficient or explosive this season season, even with

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Speaker 20: Lamar Jackson under center. But even even though the Bengals

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Speaker 20: run defense actually does not have a great night, the

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Speaker 20: Ravens average five point six night yards per rush and

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Speaker 20: three point one average yards before contact. Meeting the Ravens

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Speaker 20: offensive line kind of his bulldozed Cincinnati in this game.

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Speaker 20: As I alluded to, the pass defense for Cincinnati was incredible.

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Speaker 13: We talked about that EPA for play number.

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Speaker 20: Consider that it's significantly worse for the Ravens in terms

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Speaker 20: of pass splits negative zero points seventy three to two

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Speaker 20: EPA for passing play. That's almost like almost a negative

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Speaker 20: point for passing play. Lamar Jackson only fifty seven percent

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Speaker 20: adjust the completion rate. In Yes, I think there is

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Speaker 20: a lot to be said about the fact that he

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Speaker 20: did not play well in this game, certainly turned the

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Speaker 20: ball over and was careless. But I think also the

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Speaker 20: Bengals did a good job of getting him in situations

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Speaker 20: under pressure. He was under pressure on forty four point

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Speaker 20: seven percent of his drop back and in those situations,

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Speaker 20: Jackson was only five for twelve with an interception. He

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Speaker 20: did have one big time throw, but also one forever

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Speaker 20: worthy play, and he was also stacked on two of

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Speaker 20: those seventeen opportunities, and I think the Bengals defense was

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Speaker 20: kind of just confusing him out there to some extent

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Speaker 20: and maybe trying to hold onto the ball too long,

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Speaker 20: and that's when he started to get into some trouble.

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Speaker 20: But in terms of the Burrow equation, I don't know

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Speaker 20: if it if it's fair to say that we're surprised.

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Speaker 13: By what Burrow is doing anymore at this point.

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Speaker 20: One of the best quarterbacks in the NFL, and maybe

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Speaker 20: there's a little shaking its in the red zone to

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Speaker 20: start the game, but just a prolectic performance from him.

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Speaker 13: Especially under pressure.

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Speaker 20: He went four for time for forty two yards, only

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Speaker 20: took one stack on eleven drop backs as well, and

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Speaker 20: even when blitz too, he was grade six for eleven

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Speaker 20: for seventy five yards, two big time throws, no turn

1442
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Speaker 20: worthy plays, So definitely the caliber performance you expect from

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Speaker 20: one of the best in the league in Burrow.

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Speaker 3: There's a difference between, as you well know, can and will.

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01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:17,640
Speaker 3: I think the Bengals can pull this thing off. In

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Speaker 3: your opinion, will they pull this thing off and at

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Speaker 3: the end of the final game of the regular season

1448
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Speaker 3: be the AFC North champions.

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Speaker 13: It is such a fascinating quandary.

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Speaker 20: I would still lean toward and know, and I think

1451
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 20: the problem for the Bengals is they just do not

1452
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 20: have enough room for air at this point. Now, sitting

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01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 20: at four and eight on the season, it feels like

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01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 20: the worst team in the AFC to get into the

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Speaker 20: playoff picture, and there are all sorts of conversations about

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Speaker 20: the validity of the AFC and in particular the AFC North,

1457
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 20: which is looking like probably the worst division in the

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Speaker 20: football this year, that even at four and eight, the

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Speaker 20: worst team in the AFC is probably going to.

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Speaker 13: Be nine in eight to get into the postseason.

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Speaker 20: Maybe you get a team that's eight nine in there,

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01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 20: but realisticly, the Bengals can probably only afford to lose

1463
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 20: one more game, and even if that they're probably gonna

1464
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 20: be close to eliminated.

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Speaker 16: They PFFT.

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Speaker 13: Power rankings which I think is a really.

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Speaker 20: Valuable tool, gives the Bengals still only a seven percent

1468
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 20: chance to make the postseason sitting in this figure, and

1469
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Speaker 20: we saw how that unfolded last year, and again certainly

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Speaker 20: a plauded to Burrow for making things really really compelling

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Speaker 20: down the stretch. But the Bengals do have the nineteenth

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Speaker 20: artist schedule remaining, so that's also.

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Speaker 13: Not necessarily a cake walk. It's not as if they're.

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Speaker 20: Playing one of the easiest schedules in the league and

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Speaker 20: still has to play Baltimore again in two weeks. And

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Speaker 20: I would be surprised, frankly if if Baltimore looked that

1477
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Speaker 20: bad and Jackson played that badly again in that game.

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Speaker 20: So I guess the Borough goes on a tour heater,

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01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 20: and it's certainly possible, given again the player that he

1480
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Speaker 20: is and getting players like Hendrickson potentially back in Kee Higgins.

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Speaker 20: That is the Bengals team that could certainly go in

1482
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 20: a little bit of a run, but playoffs to me

1483
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 20: are probably it's probably too tall attack at this point.

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Speaker 3: Bradley Locker, the heart, the mind, and the soul of

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Speaker 3: Pro Football Focused dot Com is with us right now

1486
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 3: as we look back on Thursday night, and let's look

1487
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Speaker 3: at ahead to a few hours from now. Pittsburgh is

1488
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Speaker 3: at home. They got Buffalo. Buffalo looked completely clueless against

1489
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Speaker 3: Houston a couple of weeks ago. Pittsburgh is right now

1490
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 3: side for the division leader. As we know with Baltimore,

1491
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Speaker 3: they're both six and five. How do you see this

1492
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 3: game playing out? Because Buffalo at Pittsburgh this week and

1493
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Speaker 3: the Bengals at Buffalo next week maybe the two most

1494
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 3: important games left for each one of these teams, regardless

1495
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 3: of what happens inside their division, Buffalo can play a

1496
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 3: huge hand as to who wins the AFC North.

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Speaker 2: So how do you see Buffalo at Pittsburgh today?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, there's no doubt. It is an absolute critical game

1499
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 20: for both teams, both organizations looking to get back on

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Speaker 20: the right track. As you hinted at just this, two

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Speaker 20: kind of crushing losses in that Week twelve game. I

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Speaker 20: think one point to start for Buffalo is that the

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Speaker 20: Bills are going to be down both of their starting

1504
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 20: tackles in this game, Dion Dawkins and Spencer Brown, and

1505
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Speaker 20: both of them were genuinely quite bad in that Week

1506
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Speaker 20: twelve loss to Houston. Brown in particular, it would been

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Speaker 20: one of the better right tackles over the last few weeks.

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Speaker 20: Was atrocious. He gave up two sacks and seven pressures.

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01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 20: And even Dion Dawkins, one of the more stable left

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01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 20: tackles and football, gave up six pressures and two sacks

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01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 20: to Danil Hunters. So anytime you're dealing with the front

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01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 20: like Pittsburgh TJ. Watt, Nick Herbig, Cam Hayward, Alex high Smith,

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Speaker 20: et cetera, that's something to weigh in.

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Speaker 13: But I think the problem.

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Speaker 20: For Pittsburgh is that the Steelers have played a game

1516
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 20: where they dealt with pretty much a backup offensive line

1517
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 20: the entire time. That happened when the Steelers went to

1518
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 20: Los Angeles, took on the Chargers and Sunday Night Football,

1519
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 20: and I think everyone still had that game unfolded that

1520
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 20: even if the Steelers got tremendous pressure on Justin Herbert,

1521
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 20: it didn't really matter in the final outcome of the game,

1522
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 20: particularly because Pittsburgh's offense was really, really poor in that game.

1523
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,759
Speaker 20: Aaron Rodgers one of the worst performances of his career.

1524
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 20: So Josh Allen did struggle under pressure in this Week

1525
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 20: twelve contest, but generally speaking, has been very good under

1526
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 20: pressure to see it. Of course, not a lot of

1527
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 20: quarterbacks being a lot under pressure, but he ranked ninth

1528
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 20: and overall PFF grade among qualified quarterbacks in pressure grade

1529
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 20: this season. So Allen the type of quarterback who can

1530
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 20: certainly run under pressure and kind of dodge rushers, and.

1531
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 13: That certainly would raise the larm bells if I were

1532
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 13: the Steelers.

1533
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 20: But on the flip side for Pittsburgh's offense, there is

1534
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 20: an opportunity to essentially from the ball a little bit better.

1535
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 20: The Builds defense has not been phenomenal this season, especially

1536
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 20: stopping the run.

1537
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 13: Especially with at Oliver out for the year.

1538
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 20: The Bills are only twenty fifth in rushing defense success rate,

1539
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 20: and the Steelers had a lot of success running the

1540
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 20: ball against the Bears, but with Aaron Rodgers coming back

1541
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 20: or seeming to come back from that practured risk, still

1542
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 20: questions about the viability of the passing attack, and I

1543
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 20: think I saw stat the Steelers didn't even produce a

1544
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 20: past over twenty eight yards the entire month of November,

1545
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,640
Speaker 20: which is kind of is a point of emphasis and

1546
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 20: how bad and poorly designed in a lot of ways

1547
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 20: this passing game is so I think it will be

1548
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 20: a close, entertaining game. But at the same time, I

1549
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 20: showggle a belief knowing how the Steelers have done against

1550
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 20: these really generally strong units in the AFC, that I

1551
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 20: think it's unfair to expect them to win this game,

1552
01:18:58,680 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 20: which in a.

1553
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 13: Lot of ways would open the door for the Bengals

1554
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:01,799
Speaker 13: even more than Okay.

1555
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 3: So you're you're going with Buffalo in this game? The Bengals, Yeah,

1556
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 3: the Ravens, the Steelers. If you look at just the

1557
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 3: landscape that's left, who's got the best path?

1558
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:17,440
Speaker 20: Oh yeah, such a great question. I would still go Baltimore.

1559
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 20: I feel like the Ravens, now at six and six,

1560
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 20: still have probably the best odds.

1561
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 13: Given that, I think in part.

1562
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 20: Because I talked about I don't necessarily trust the Steelers,

1563
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 20: and of course there's two tilts with Pittsburgh left. The

1564
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 20: Ravens still do have a very hard schedule, though they

1565
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 20: have to play I talked about the Steelers twice Cincinnati

1566
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 20: and then New England and Green Bay, so that is

1567
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 20: not a takeawalk by any stretch, whereas the Steelers schedule

1568
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 20: is a little bit easier. To talk about Buffalo this week,

1569
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 20: but Pittsburgh still has to play Detroit on the road,

1570
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 20: the Browns on the road that has kind of been

1571
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 20: a house of horse Pittsburgh in the last few years.

1572
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 20: Miami at home feels like a game that is relatively

1573
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 20: winnable for Pittsburgh, but the Dolphins are certainly on the

1574
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 20: up swing in the latter half of this season, so

1575
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 20: it really does feel like kind of a toss up

1576
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 20: between these two teams. But at the end of the day,

1577
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 20: I feel like the Ravens have kind of shown a

1578
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 20: little bit more in these last few weeks with Jackson

1579
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 20: back and especially on the defensive side of the ball.

1580
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 20: I think Thursday night maybe wasn't the best indicator, but

1581
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 20: with ever since that a lovely good in trade, Ravens

1582
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 20: defense has been one of the better units in football.

1583
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 20: So I go with Baltimore and maybe Jackson kind of

1584
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 20: getting back hit swagger. As the season goes along, I

1585
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 20: started to just put a lot of trust and what

1586
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 20: the Steelers have done, particularly how they've looked over the

1587
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 20: last few seasons.

1588
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 13: To close out the year, so I was still leading

1589
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 13: the Ravens.

1590
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 20: I would guess probably Ravens Steelers down out of the

1591
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 20: division order.

1592
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 3: All right, well, we'll see. That's why they play the games, right, Bradley,

1593
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 3: That's why they played the game.

1594
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 13: Absolutely.

1595
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 3: You can read all about it on taff dot com

1596
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 3: and the first destination should be any article written Radley Locker.

1597
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 2: Bradley, stay, well, you know we'll be calling. Thanks, thanks

1598
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 2: so much, Ken, you bet. I don't want to.

1599
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 3: I'm trying not to overseal Pittsburgh Buffalo today, but I mean,

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01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 3: my gosh, this Pittsburgh Buffalo game.

1601
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:00,839
Speaker 2: Next week, Cincinnati buff game.

1602
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 3: And again Pittsburgh six and five, Baltimore's six and six

1603
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 3: Bengals of course four and eight. If Pittsburgh beats Buffalo today,

1604
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, it gets really interesting because

1605
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 3: to get to ten, Pittsburgh would only need to win

1606
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 3: three more, and one of those you think would be Miami,

1607
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 3: and one Pike possibly would be against the Ravens for

1608
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 3: twenty five today in Pittsburgh eleven twenty six right now,

1609
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 3: a lot more to come. After twelve o'clock today, we're

1610
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 3: here for an extra half hour. We're going to talk

1611
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 3: about how the Reds can get better. If they can't

1612
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 3: increase their payroll significantly, it means they have to make

1613
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 3: a trade. So who goes Rod Mains Baseball Perspectives dot

1614
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 3: Com is going to join us to talk about that.

1615
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 3: But standing by next to join us one of the

1616
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 3: great blues guitarists of all time, Kenny Wayne Sheppard's going

1617
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:03,520
Speaker 3: to check in. He's coming to ten on seven hundred WLW.

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01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: Sunday Morning Sportstock with your host Ken Brew on news

1619
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:10,480
Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred WLW.

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01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 3: Bonus at Bauer Here we have NFL football for you

1621
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 3: later to day. The Bengals aren't playing today. First game

1622
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 3: up for us today will be the Falcons at the Jets,

1623
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 3: where the Jets are getting three at home, and then

1624
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 3: later on Minnesota at Seattle a bit of a mismatch.

1625
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 3: Seattle is giving twelve in that four or five start.

1626
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 3: Of course, the big games for the Bengals is San

1627
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 3: Francisco at Cleveland, not that Cleveland is in the AFC

1628
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 3: North race at all, but to see exactly how Shoudoor

1629
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 3: Sanders progresses and whether that Cleveland defense continues to dominate.

1630
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 3: And then I think the game everybody is interested in,

1631
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 3: quite frankly from the AFC North standpoint is Buffalo at Pittsburgh,

1632
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh at home getting three Pittsburgh wins that game, they

1633
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 3: go to seven wins on the season. But that's a

1634
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 3: lot of what ifs between now and the end of today.

1635
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 3: Another big what if is what becomes of the Cincinnati

1636
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 3: Reds in twenty twenty six. Their general manager Nick Crawl

1637
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 3: said earlier this month that the payroll is not going

1638
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 3: to increase significantly from what it was last year. And

1639
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 3: what it was last year was in terms of production, Okay,

1640
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 3: not great. It got them into the Wild Card, but

1641
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 3: they did it largely on pitching. We all know that

1642
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 3: we're gaping holes in that batting order. There's just not

1643
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 3: enough power, particularly for where the Reds playm the majority

1644
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 3: of their or the certainly half of their schedule, which

1645
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 3: is in Great American Ballpark. So they get they've got

1646
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 3: to get something to upgrade that batting order. Well, the

1647
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 3: only way you can do that, I guess, is to

1648
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 3: trade from your strength, which is pitching. But how wise

1649
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 3: is that? How wise is that? And then how do

1650
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 3: you address getting better? Standing? By the way, in good

1651
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:58,839
Speaker 3: guest of this program for many years, he writes baseball

1652
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 3: and writes it very well. For Baseball Perspectives dot Com,

1653
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 3: he is Rob Mains and he's standing by to join

1654
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 3: us right now to talk about the plight of the Reds.

1655
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 3: How do you get better when the money is not

1656
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 3: simply getting larger?

1657
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:14,879
Speaker 2: Rob, how are you on this glorious Sunday.

1658
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 12: I'm doing great, King good to talk to you baseball

1659
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 12: this time year.

1660
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, well anymore it's it's it's almost year round.

1661
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 3: And we all know what the Reds did last year.

1662
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it was it was admirable. They got to

1663
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 3: the playoffs. They didn't do anything when they got there,

1664
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 3: but they got there. Thought Francona did a good job

1665
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 3: with what he was left with. But I mean, this

1666
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 3: team has got to get better offensively if it wants

1667
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 3: to have any chance of doing anything again in the postseason.

1668
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 3: And I'm just wondering. Here's a franchise that has said

1669
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 3: their general manager, Nick Caral, has said, we want to

1670
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 3: keep the payroll the same as it was last year,

1671
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,959
Speaker 3: and the only significant money that's coming off that payroll

1672
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 3: is Nick Martinez, who was about twenty one million dollars

1673
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 3: last year.

1674
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 12: Year.

1675
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 3: There'll be a few others that that'll that'll go that

1676
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 3: they won't have any interest in Austin Hayes being won.

1677
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:07,839
Speaker 3: That's a little different. Is it not a little different

1678
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 3: and not increase payroll significantly?

1679
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's tough because you know, you're good players who

1680
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:18,719
Speaker 12: are arbitration knowledgeable or just how many years service, they're

1681
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 12: going to cost a little bit more, and so to

1682
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 12: put that cap means that you're going to probably for

1683
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 12: the open spots and have a little bit less than

1684
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 12: what is falling off the payment on this winter.

1685
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 2: The word the.

1686
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 3: Names that are getting thrown around here, Kyle Schwarber, Peter Alonzo,

1687
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,719
Speaker 3: I mean I would think Peter Alonzo, even at thirty

1688
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 3: one years old, who made I think twenty seven million

1689
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 3: last year. I mean he's probably looking in excess of

1690
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 3: an annual percent value of like thirty three thirty five million. Schwarberg,

1691
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 3: who's from here. It's hard for me to imagine the

1692
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 3: Phillies would let him go. But he'll be thirty three,

1693
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 3: and you know he's probably looking somewhere in the mid

1694
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 3: to upper twenty millions. Both of those are difficult diets,

1695
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 3: aren't for the Reds. Do you anticipate them actually being

1696
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 3: in play for this team?

1697
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 12: I really don't think so, because one of the price texts,

1698
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 12: Alondo is going to want more than he's likely going

1699
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 12: to get, but he's still going to get a lot.

1700
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 12: And the tough thing about free agents of the type

1701
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 12: you know we're talking about Alonzo Schwarber. You're getting guys

1702
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 12: who are already a little long in the tooth and

1703
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 12: you've signed them to the type of long term deal

1704
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 12: that they're going to want. You're committing yourself a lot

1705
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,799
Speaker 12: of money in what probably going to be out years

1706
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,639
Speaker 12: that are going to be great. And you know, if

1707
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 12: you have a Blue Jays doing that for a hope

1708
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 12: for Joey Vado reunion at the end of the guy's career,

1709
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 12: that's one thing. But to commit really big dollars the

1710
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 12: guys who probably don't have a lot of the years

1711
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 12: left at the top, I don't think it makes sense

1712
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 12: for a lot of teams, including.

1713
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 3: Given the payroll constrictments and what they will or will

1714
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 3: not be willing to do from a payroll standpoint, that

1715
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 3: leaves trades. Their strength is starting pitching. You know, a

1716
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 3: Hunter Green's name is out there publicly. They're saying Hunter

1717
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 3: Green is not available for trade anyway, any shape, any form.

1718
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I would trade him anyway. But they

1719
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 3: do have depth as starting pitching in addition to the

1720
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 3: rotation that they had last year, they also have Rhet

1721
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:26,680
Speaker 3: Lauder who missed the entire year. Chase Burns is in

1722
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 3: the mix. I think for that conversation, they still have

1723
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 3: Chase Petty. There's still players that are there, pitchers that

1724
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 3: are there that could comprise a rotation of five and

1725
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 3: probably gets you to seven if indeed you know you

1726
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 3: have to dip that far down to get starting pitching

1727
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 3: because of injury. What of trading from strength and of

1728
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 3: those let's say the Big Three, Hunter Green, Andrew Abbott,

1729
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 3: Nicklodolo of the Big Three, would you be willing to

1730
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 3: trade any of those? And if so, what do you

1731
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,719
Speaker 3: think they would have to have in production in return?

1732
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 3: Sell me your name. I don't want to get a hey,

1733
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 3: this guy for that guy, but in production in return?

1734
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1735
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 12: The tough thing about trading starting pitching, there's two things really.

1736
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 12: One is that they always say you can't have enough votes. True,

1737
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,759
Speaker 12: you can't have enough. You can't go into a season

1738
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 12: with five starting pitchers and regardless with your team is,

1739
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 12: and realistically expect that's all you're.

1740
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 13: Going to need.

1741
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 12: Someone's going to get hurt, someone's going to be ineffective.

1742
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 12: You're probably gonna need at least seven competence starters to

1743
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 12: get through a season, and so that's one limitation. Another

1744
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 12: one is that teams are smart. You're not going to

1745
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 12: get a top drawer offensive player for a top drawer

1746
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 12: starting pitcher unless it's only like a Garrett Cole, simply

1747
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 12: because everybody knows it's Starting pitchers can be volatile and

1748
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 12: they can get hurt. So of the ones that you mentioned,

1749
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 12: I guess if I were to flip one, it might

1750
01:28:55,960 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 12: be a dolo, only because you've got a little bit

1751
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 12: more checkered health history than the other two. Hunter Green,

1752
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 12: obviously you've had all sorts of issues, but there's tough

1753
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 12: to walk away from. And Abbott really yeah, I think

1754
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 12: probably the most pleasant surprise for the.

1755
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 5: Reds last year.

1756
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 12: He's still a You're younger than adults, so I think

1757
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,679
Speaker 12: that's a guy you hang on to. But I think

1758
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 12: you've got to kind of chepper your expectations of what

1759
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 12: you can get trading starting pitchers unless you're going to

1760
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 12: throw a prospect in there too, in terms of getting

1761
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 12: the offensive player that you want in the term.

1762
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 3: Okay, so if you're not going to do that and

1763
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 3: you still need that production in the every day eight

1764
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 3: and your payroll is not going to increase appreciably. I mean,

1765
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 3: you've got some money to play with with Martinez no

1766
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 3: longer around, And how do you get better? I mean,

1767
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 3: what do you do? I mean you need increased production

1768
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 3: at second. I think it's very difficult in a lineup

1769
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 3: with Key Brian Hayes and Matt McClain. I think optimumally,

1770
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 3: at least on the performance last year, you're looking at

1771
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 3: a per game delivery of two for eight. I mean

1772
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 3: it's just that they've got a serious situation with offense.

1773
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 3: If they put Key Brian Hayes at third and Matt

1774
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 3: McClain at second, your outfield is you're going to get

1775
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 3: some production out there. They're committed to leaving Ellie da

1776
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 3: Cruz at short. If you're not going to trade and

1777
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 3: if you're not going to go out and sign a

1778
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,440
Speaker 3: big dollar, big power hitting free agent.

1779
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 2: And how do you get better?

1780
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 12: I think you stopped at the dollar store free agents.

1781
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 12: You're not going to go for as you mentioned that

1782
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 12: the Schwarbers in the Alando, a guy like Ryan or

1783
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 12: Hearn will give you some power from the left side.

1784
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 12: Who was you know a very good hitter with the

1785
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 12: Orioles last year, wasn't didn't do a whole lot for

1786
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 12: the Padres, at least in the power front once he

1787
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 12: got traded over there. He's got a decent track record

1788
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 12: as a hitter. Any plus first statesman who can also

1789
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 12: place an off field. I think those are the types

1790
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 12: of players that you target. And then I'm not saying

1791
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 12: that you can't trade. I think you've got to be

1792
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 12: realistic in terms of what you might get as a

1793
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 12: return for a trade, which is probably going to be

1794
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 12: a guy who's not necessarily going to be a one

1795
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 12: hundred and fifty days a year player, but maybe you

1796
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 12: get a good back from the left side or who

1797
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 12: can tune with somebody else. I think that there's willing

1798
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 12: to improve the offense, and you should be able to

1799
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 12: get a full year of South Stewart that we could

1800
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 12: in the year where Ellie da Lea Cruise isn't playing

1801
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 12: on a bad length for half the season. That I

1802
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 12: think that it's realistic to expect the Reds to be

1803
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 12: able to get some improvement in the offense. And then

1804
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 12: you know, as you said, you've got some pitchers who

1805
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 12: were good last year, some others who were coming back.

1806
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 12: I think that you're challenging the Brewers. Probably not, but

1807
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 12: in a division where kind of two of the teams

1808
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 12: have already The Pirates never in contention. The Cardinals are

1809
01:31:56,600 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 12: really in a rebuild space. I think there's a potential

1810
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 12: to again be a wild card this season, and maybe

1811
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:06,560
Speaker 12: one with a little more strength in what we saw after.

1812
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:10,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, Baltimore with O'Hearn was a lot better than O'Hearn

1813
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 3: with San Diego. O'Hearn last year thirteen home runs, forty

1814
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 3: three rbi. I think he hit two eighty three on

1815
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 3: base three seventy four, and then he went to the

1816
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 3: padres and did not perform all that well.

1817
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 2: Average wise, he wasn't bad.

1818
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 3: We're chatting with our good buddy Rob Mains from Baseball

1819
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 3: Perspectives dot com, and we're trying to figure out a

1820
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 3: way that the Reds can get better with their everyday

1821
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 3: lineup without breaking the bank and without trading away key pieces.

1822
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 3: And there is going to be I think with great

1823
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 3: certainty I can say this, there's going to be a

1824
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:48,760
Speaker 3: work stoppage before the twenty twenty seventh season. So how

1825
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 3: much do you think that tempers teams like Cincinnati, who

1826
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 3: simply don't have the capital that the Yankees, the Dodgers,

1827
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 3: and the Chicago teams have. How much do you think

1828
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 3: it tempers them going into the free agency market this

1829
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 3: offseason knowing full well that in twenty twenty seven there

1830
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:07,679
Speaker 3: will be time missed.

1831
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 12: That's a really smart observation. Can I agree with you.

1832
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 12: I think we're not looking at one hundred and sixty

1833
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 12: two games in twenty twenty seven. I think the opportunity

1834
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 12: that creates for a team like the Reds is if

1835
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 12: you've got a guy who's looking to get a long

1836
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 12: term deal and can't get it for whatever reason, either

1837
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 12: asking price or just a lack of buyers, there's a

1838
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 12: chance to get you know what, there's Boris's term, a

1839
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 12: pillow contract and one year deal where they sort of

1840
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:40,480
Speaker 12: re establish what you work. Where one of the free agents,

1841
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 12: like somebody who on the order of you know, like

1842
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 12: maybe a Brandon Lowell might want a scientists four or

1843
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 12: five years, can't find that deal. Well, if you can

1844
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 12: get a good one year contract, you can pay up

1845
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 12: more for one year than if you want to risk

1846
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 12: going out a lot more than that and then going

1847
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 12: into the twenty twenty seven season, where he might miss

1848
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 12: part of it, but you've established a value where you

1849
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 12: could maybe then sign a long term contract after that.

1850
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 12: I think that's where there's an opportunity sign guys who

1851
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 12: want to get a long term deal couldn't get it.

1852
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 12: You sign him for more per year for one year

1853
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 12: than what they might be able to get for four

1854
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 12: or five years, but then you've got an improvement for

1855
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 12: your club for the twenty twenty sixty Yeah.

1856
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brandon Lao hit two fifty six, by the way

1857
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 3: last year for the Rays, and he had five hundred

1858
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 3: plate appearances. And a guy that can play a little

1859
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 3: bit of second and actually first base well by the way,

1860
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:41,560
Speaker 3: made eleven five last year for the Rays. So it

1861
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 3: would be somewhere in that vicinity a little bit higher

1862
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 3: than that that would maybe attract him. We'll see what

1863
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 3: kind of attention heat draws. We'll see where it may

1864
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:50,960
Speaker 3: all lead to. Wherever it leads to, you can follow it,

1865
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 3: and you can follow it expertly on Baseballperspectives dot com,

1866
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 3: where you can find our buddy Rob Mains on a

1867
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 3: consistent basis. Okay, Rob, good stuff, Appreciate your time, stay

1868
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 3: well and you know we'll be calling.

1869
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 5: It's great talking with take care you.

1870
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 3: Bet aloo is as I said, made a million eleven

1871
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 3: million five last year. But I just saw a day

1872
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:17,760
Speaker 3: or two ago that the of all teams, the Dodgers

1873
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 3: ar are looking for perhaps a chance to get him rich,

1874
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 3: get richer. Uh So we'll see, but he would he

1875
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 3: would be an interesting fit depending on what you would

1876
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 3: have to give up to get him. Race picked up

1877
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,760
Speaker 3: his option. That doesn't mean anything other than, uh, they can.

1878
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,680
Speaker 3: They continue to hold his rights and have an opportunity

1879
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 3: to keep him or trade him. But the Dodgers apparently

1880
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:43,639
Speaker 3: are looking at him. And as far as O'Hearn is concerned,

1881
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 3: Ryan O'Hearn, uh, it's been out there. I guess for

1882
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 3: about a day or two that the pirates of all

1883
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 3: teams are looking at o'hearne. I'm not sure what the

1884
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 3: upgrade would be with him. He certainly did not do

1885
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 3: very well when he wound up in San Diego middle

1886
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 3: of last season. But Brandon Lowe, I've seen enough of

1887
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 3: him that I would think, you, oh what, there's a

1888
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 3: guy can play second and you're not forced every game

1889
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 3: to have McLain and keep Brian Hayes in the same

1890
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 3: batting order, because I mean, there are two guys that

1891
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 3: you know, for whatever they can offer, they just simply

1892
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 3: haven't been able to offer a lot of offense in

1893
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:24,479
Speaker 3: that same every day nine, we'll see it'll heat up.

1894
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 3: You got the general manager's meetings, and then you have

1895
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 3: the Winter meetings, and then of course you'll probably get

1896
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 3: into this whole trade thing. But the free agent signings

1897
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 3: have already begun. I would be shocked if they got

1898
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 3: Pete Alonso or Kyle Schwarberg. It just doesn't fit the

1899
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 3: profile of what the Reds have been doing lately. Those

1900
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 3: those are big dollar ball players. I'd love to see

1901
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 3: either one of them here. Don't get me wrong, but

1902
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 3: I think we need to change of reality with all

1903
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,880
Speaker 3: of this as well. Twelve twenty three, counting down to

1904
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 3: an NFL doublehetter on seven hundred w WELW.

1905
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 21: At the first Thanksgiving, the four survive and pilgrim women

1906
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 21: prepared venison, fish and vegetables for about one hundred and

1907
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:07,639
Speaker 21: forty people, cooking it all over.

1908
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 1: And open fire.

1909
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 21: Last Thanksgiving, my mother served us microwave turkey, canned gravy,

1910
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:19,640
Speaker 21: and instant potatoes. Mom's not much of a pilgrim have

1911
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 21: the happiest of Thanksgiving weekends from all of us at

1912
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:26,000
Speaker 21: seven hundred WLW

1913
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 1: This is what they call the hard Cell Sunday Yardcare,

1914
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 1: Black Friday sal