1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: This is the Mark Maddon Show. You like it, you 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: love it, you want more of it? You can follow 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Mark Madden x uh. We are 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: going to talk a lot of Steelers and Brons today. 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: We got Tim Benz at three point thirty former Steelers 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: quarterback Charlie Batch at four pm. A few interesting developments 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: occurred during Thursday Night football. Actually, the New York Football 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: Giants killed Philadelphia, killed him. 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: Beat their ass up and knocked their ass out. Wow. 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 1: Thirty four seventeen and Scatterbo, that rookie back for the Giants, 11 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: got ninety eight yards and three touchdowns on nineteen carries. 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: And the injured Twitter and the usual suspects. You're like, 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: they should have drafted Scattabo. Imagine that Steelers offense was Scatterbo. 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: If the Steelers offense at Scattabo, it'd be riding the 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: effing bench, just like Caleb Johnson. The Steelers should not 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: have drafted Scatabo. Caleb Johnson is a superior talent. He 17 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: went to the third round, scatabow in the fourth. The 18 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: Steelers should give Caleb Johnson more carries, a lot more carries. 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: Scatterbow in New York. It's like Judkins in Cleveland. The 20 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: Giants and Browns are playing rookie running backs and both 21 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: are succeeding the backs anyway, and the teams to me 22 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: seemed to be getting better. New York did just kill 23 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: Philadelphia last night. The Steelers are playing career backed upstick 24 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: running back and leaving their rookie running back on the bench. 25 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: Johnston is better than Scattabo, you know how. I know that. 26 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: Every team passed on Johnson two times, some three, every 27 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: team passed on Scattabo three times some four. H Johnson 28 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: is better than Scattabo, I have no but not if 29 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: you don't play him. 30 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: Not with you people. 31 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: I do know Scatabo has one thing to offer, and 32 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: that's these whites. And let's not kid ourselves in terms 33 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: of the way you knit. Would think that is a 34 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: big factor. Let's talking out of Tommy Radio. Tom do 35 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: you see my point? I'd play Johnson, not bitch about 36 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: not drafting Scatabo. 37 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 38 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: You talked all week about the Browns have juice now 39 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: because they're playing rookies, not just the running back. The 40 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: rookie quarterbacks in there now, and they got a couple 41 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 3: of good rookies on the defensive side. 42 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: Of the ball. Giants are the same way. 43 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: Like the Giants have some juice, The fan base is excited, 44 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 3: the team is pointed in the right direction. I think 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: even more so than the Browns are, because their rookies 46 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 3: are better than the Browns rookies, not Scatabo and Judkins. 47 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: But Dart looks like he's got something as a quarterback. 48 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what his ceiling is, but he's good. 49 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: At least he's doing okay. I like his legs. He 50 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: scored that great running touchdown. And they got Abdul Carter, 51 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 3: the kid from Penn State on the defensive side of 52 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 3: the ball, who is just a phenomenal rookie as well. 53 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 3: Like just there is so many examples around the NFL 54 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 3: where you look at teams just playing their rookies and 55 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: they see great success out of them. 56 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: They're giving themselves a chance to improve. 57 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,839 Speaker 1: The Steelers in Week eighteen will be the same as 58 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: the Steelers right now in Week six. 59 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: They won't get better, They'll only get tired and injured. 60 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 3: And it's not just teams that are at the bottom 61 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: of the league right like the Giants and Browns that 62 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: have nothing to do this year but build for the future. 63 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 3: Look at the Buccaneers in a Mecca. Agbuca comes in 64 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 3: immediately their number one receiver, I mean Mike with. 65 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: Some pretty big names on that depth that receiver. 66 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: Like when Mike Evans was healthy, Baker was still going 67 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: to Egbuca more. And now with Evan's sidelines, that relationship 68 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: in chemistry is just gonna grow between the two of them. 69 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: The best thing could happen for the Steelers would be 70 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: if either Warren or Gainwell suffered a season ending injury. 71 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: Not wishing it on them, but if one did and 72 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: the other one got hurt so he couldn't play in 73 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: a game and they had to play Caleb Johnson and 74 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: I bet he'd come through. 75 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: I think he would have come through against me Minnesota. 76 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 3: I mean the way that that offensive line was moving 77 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings, and he had the big jumbo package 78 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 3: in there to help in the run game. I think 79 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: Caleb Johnson would have had a really good game there, 80 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: would have had his coming out party. 81 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: I will say Scabow is a very powerful running back. 82 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 2: He's white. I mean he's like a bowling ball dart. 83 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: That rookie quarterback threw for butt ninety five and a 84 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: touchdown rush for fifty eight and a really nice running touchdown. Again, 85 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: It's just good to play rookies. Now, Tom, did you 86 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: watch Philadelphia lose to the New York Football Giants? 87 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: Did you watch what I'm talking about? I did? 88 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: I mean that was a convincing win by the Giants 89 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: and a really unconvincing performance by the Eagles. Here's a 90 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: great stat Jalen Hurts is twenty seven years old. 91 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: I would call him a running quarterback in particular. 92 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: He's good at it, but like that's not his bread 93 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: and butter, right, But because the tush push, he has 94 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: sixty rushing touchdowns already sixty And what did you. 95 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: Think of the four straight tush pushes to get into 96 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: the well? 97 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: That has everybody now rallying to the side of the 98 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: bush push. 99 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: We got some sound later from Steven A. Smith that 100 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: will play. 101 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: But what if, like you threw a slant to aj 102 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: Brown for four consecutive big plays? What if you ran Barkley, 103 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: you know, wide, on four consecutive plays. Are you going 104 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: to ban plays that are used repetitively to succeed. 105 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: That's a great point. 106 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 3: This one looks a little bit more ugly than those 107 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: ones though, because it's just that scrum of bodies moving 108 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: forward a yard at a time. But you're right, like 109 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 3: people go to the well all the time on things 110 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: that are successful. 111 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 2: So why ban the Eagles for something? They're more successful 112 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 2: than anybody? See? 113 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: To me, it's power football, it's physical football. Do you 114 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: hear people asking about physical football? 115 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: Well, this is it. It's a bunch of men in 116 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: a pole. What's not like about that? 117 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 4: Now? 118 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 3: What if you change the rule where you can allow 119 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 3: the defense to get leverage too and kind of push back, 120 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 3: because that's the disadvantage they have right now, Like a 121 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: linebacker can't go up on a d tackle and push 122 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 3: him back. 123 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: Ah, that's too bad. 124 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 4: You don't. 125 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: You don't change your rule because you know a play 126 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: on one side of the ball is working, you don't 127 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: even it up for the other side of the ball. 128 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 3: And no other team can do it. It's just one 129 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: team because they try, Yeah, and they always fail. 130 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: H Philadelphia four and two and they looked bad. There's 131 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: zero undefeated teams right now, Tom, who's the best team 132 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: in the NFL? 133 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 2: Right this second? I got my ideas, let's hear right 134 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: this second, it's Detroit. 135 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: I know that They got beat pretty badly by the 136 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: Packers in Week one, but I think that's just week one. 137 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 3: They're my best team in the NFC. They've looked awesome, 138 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: but I don't trust them. So AFC is at Buffalo 139 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 3: for you. 140 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, even. 141 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: Though they've not you know, got to where you know 142 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: what I agree with. We talked yesterday about potential MVP candidates, 143 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: right and Josh Allen's stats right now aren't great, but 144 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: by the end of the season he's gonna, you know, 145 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: have MVP stats and probably get another MVP. 146 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: Boy if he's the number one overall seed in the AFC, 147 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: like say they win fourteen games this year, and yeah, 148 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 3: he has stats that are commiserate with an MVP. It 149 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 3: will be hard for them to not go back to 150 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 3: back with him and give it to like a Baker 151 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 3: or a Jared Goff. Yeah, but they might do it 152 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 3: anyway to Golfer Baker, No, no, to ask That's what 153 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 3: I'm saying, and I'm saying it'll be hard for them 154 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 3: to not get. 155 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: It right on. Yeah, I mean they like giving it 156 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: to name exactly. 157 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: And then it would be the back to back thing too, 158 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: so they could be like Lamar's back to back, Allen's 159 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 3: back to back. 160 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: You know what's greting about MVP conversation, Tom, whenever we 161 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: do it, whenever anybody on any platform does it, nobody 162 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: mentions anybody but quarterbacks. Is there anybody in the league 163 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: right now? Not a quarterback that should be in the 164 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: conversation besides Scatabo. 165 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: Right this second, besides scatterbo nothing comes to top of mind. 166 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: Last year's no other white guys, no other white guys. 167 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: Last year's Saque had a real good shot at it. 168 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: Like if we were ever gonna give it to a 169 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 3: non quarterback again, it was last year for Saque. It's 170 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 3: just a quarterback award. 171 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: Now. 172 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: I don't see them ever giving it to anybody else, 173 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: unless like a receiver pools of a two thousand yard season. 174 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: I don't see anybody getting it up. 175 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: Next, we're gonna talk about one of the most absurd 176 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: things I've heard proposed Bozo the columnist. You remember him, 177 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: Actually you probably don't. He thinks they should build a 178 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: statue of Cutch. Give me an effing break. X Okay, 179 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: Boso the columnists too wrote a sports column back in 180 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,559 Speaker 1: the thirties. You've all forgotten that most of his readers 181 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: are dead, but he suggested on Twitter that the Pirates 182 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: should build a statue of Andrew McCutcheon when he retires. 183 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: I think that's absolutely absurd. 184 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: Being the best player of a generally crappy generation and 185 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: a non Hall of Famer, that should not get you 186 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: a statue. He's not Clemente, he's not Stargele, he's not Kinder, 187 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: he's not Wagner, he's not anything close to that. And 188 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: I understand you want to have events and you want to, 189 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, make the best of what is a bad 190 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: and certainly thrifty situation in the Notting ownership era. But 191 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: I just would not do that now. To get back 192 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: to the Steeler game, it's difficult to come up with 193 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: Steeler storylines. 194 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: Steeler lines that actually is kind of catchy. 195 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: It's difficult to come up with storylines for Sunday's home 196 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: game ninst Cleveland. Hopefully Shador plays now that he's confirmed 197 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: as the number two quarterback. I like Judkins, the rookie 198 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: running back for Cleveland. He could keep a minute with 199 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: a big game. His last three games have been one 200 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: hundred and ten, eighty two and ninety four yards. 201 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: Pretty good. 202 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel isn't a savior. The rookie quarterback. He's okay. 203 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: Remember when Dick lebou was the Steelers defensive coordinator and 204 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: if the other team had a rookie quarterback, it was 205 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: game over, a death sentence, not no more. But this 206 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: high priced superstar defense the Steelers have, you can't lose 207 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: the rookie quarterback. 208 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 2: At home, no way, when you can go to four and. 209 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: One Garrett versus what is a storyline? How Garrett is 210 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: deployed against that seven minter offensive line is a storyline. 211 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: And maybe the Steelers offense changes it up a bit. 212 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: Maybe John New breaks out of Friarmouth, but more likely 213 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: John who I feel like Friarmuth is the number three 214 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: tight end. P Let's welcome now back to the microphone, 215 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: Tommy Radio. Tom what do you make of Bozo saying 216 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: cuts you get a statue? I mean, I'm trying not 217 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: to not Cutch what I say. No, but no, he's 218 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: just not in the class of the guys who have statues. 219 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 3: It's why it's so absurd to say something like that, 220 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 3: because then you almost have to bash Cutch a little 221 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 3: bit unintentionally because it's it really It's hard to even 222 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 3: come up with the words to describe that kind of 223 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: idea going that far with it. 224 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: To me, you either have to be Hall of Famer 225 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: to get a statue, or the best player in an 226 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: era where you won World Series, Stanley Cups, whatever, or 227 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: be just egregiously popular like Flurri. 228 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: I mean, flori fits the description of a bunch of 229 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: the above, all of the above. I mean, Cuts was popular, 230 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: but he wasn't like Florrie popular. 231 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 3: I think all statues need to fit the criteria almost 232 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 3: all of the above that you just laid out, Mark, 233 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: I don't think he can really be one or the other. 234 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 3: You got to be a Hall of Famer with championships 235 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: and just a genuine, you know, iconic figure as well 236 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 3: to be immortalized like that. I think the other things 237 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: that he said should happen to Cutch was retire his number. 238 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 3: That might even be a little bit too far, but 239 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: I get it. I'm cool with that. I can get 240 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 3: my head around it. Bug me, like a statue, would 241 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: they retire a lot of numbers? And then I guess 242 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 3: he said something about moving him into the front office. 243 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 3: McCutcheon doesn't want to do that, do you think he does. 244 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: Even if he does, what's any indication that he could could, 245 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, be like an assistant GM. I mean, maybe 246 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: he could be like a glad hander. Maybe he could 247 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: be like Joe Lewis at the casino door. 248 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that McCutchen, if that is the route 249 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 3: he would want to go post baseball, couldn't be a 250 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 3: good assistant GM. Just wouldn't be able to be a 251 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 3: good one here because no one's able to be a 252 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: good one here because you're handcuffed by the ownership. 253 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: Here's a stat de Fabo put out about the Steelers 254 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: using Spencer Anderson's the extra tackle. The Steelers are averaging 255 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: three point three yards per carry this season, which is crap. 256 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: It's absolute crap. When Anderson's out there, they're averaging four 257 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: point seven yards per carry, and that's being trumpeted, not 258 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: by the fab but by the usual suspects. Is justification 259 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: for using the extra tackle, for using the seven offensive linemen? 260 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: To me, it's okay, what do you expect with seven 261 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: offensive lineman out there? Of course the yards per carry 262 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: is gonna jump, But what else gets hurt? 263 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean the sample size there has to 264 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 3: be so low right, because really only Spencer Anderson was 265 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: out there for one game as a big time role 266 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 3: player in Minnesota. 267 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: That was n Yeah against the Vikings. And the Vikings, 268 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 2: I do see your point. The yards per carry should 269 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: go up. 270 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely, It'd be a big problem if they were stuck 271 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 3: in neutral or not going up that dramatically. This week, 272 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: I'm interested to see how that run offense does against 273 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 3: that Browns rush defense, which you could argue is the 274 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 3: best rush defense in football. 275 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: I think that's another storyline. 276 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 3: Do the Steelers continue that momentum that they built in 277 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 3: the running game off of the Dublin win against the Vikings. 278 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: I don't think they do. I still think you see 279 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: the big package out there, the seven linemen more in 280 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 3: a protection aspect though, trying to just put three bodies 281 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 3: on Garrett whenever you can won't be to move bodies 282 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: in the running game. I don't know if they can 283 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: do that against this Browns defense. 284 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: Defebo does good work. That was a great stat. 285 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: At the stat I wish I had had my column 286 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: which I wrote today for the trip about the seven 287 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: offensive lineman and so tom at the commercial break, I 288 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: will take that stat and put it in my column. 289 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: Facts aren't plagiarism. A turn of a phrase is now. 290 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. 291 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: I mean like, I think the Steelers will give losing 292 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: this game their best shot, if you know what I mean. 293 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: It's a great way to put it. I don't think 294 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: a couple of rookies can beat the Steelers. 295 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: I don't think Dylan Gabriel and Judkins at running back 296 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: can do enough to beat the Steelers. I don't think 297 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: the Brons can score enough points on the Steelers defense, 298 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: which is overrated. Might be missing Ramsey, although he practiced today, 299 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: so we don't yet know. 300 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: But I don't think they can score enough. 301 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 3: Browns are the only team in football I think this 302 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 3: year that haven't scored more than eighteen points in a game. 303 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 3: I mean there are For as great as their defense is, 304 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 3: their offense has been just as bad. I don't think 305 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: they can score enough to beat the Steelers. I do 306 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 3: see this game and entering the fourth quarter in doubt, 307 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 3: and maybe Steelers down three up by three tie games 308 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 3: something like that, and then I think Rogers is just 309 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: gonna kind of be like f this, here's a touchdown 310 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 3: to put it in doubt, and we're gonna win. 311 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: The game. You know, it's funny, Like I was trying 312 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: to figure out ways the Browns could win, and I 313 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: looked at Nadjoku, who's a real good tight end, real big, 314 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: real good. 315 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, underrated, And people tend to say that. 316 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: I hear everybody on Twitter, on on the beat team, 317 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: they say that Nadjokho kills the Steelers. 318 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: He doesn't. 319 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: In fourteen games, he has forty nine catches and four touchdowns. 320 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: That's not onerous. That seems a bit low in fact. 321 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: And I look at their receivers, Bond and Judy. I 322 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: like them, but I don't even see a real number 323 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: one there. I see two number twos, don't you. I 324 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: see two number two's. Bond has potential to be a 325 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: number one. He didn't get drafted because he had sexual 326 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: assault things off the field. 327 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: Though no, no I know, I know, but like but 328 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 2: his stats, he's not a number one yet. 329 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: Well no, he gets the occasional deep ball, but otherwise 330 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: he really isn't, isn't used up, isn't doesn't have many catches. 331 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: He does not. 332 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 3: He was targeted a lot by Gabriel last week, though 333 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: I think he got there was only ten targets to 334 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: receivers last time the Browns played, and six of them 335 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 3: went to Bond. Forty percent of where Gabriel was looking 336 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: in the passing game was the tight ends and Djoku 337 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 3: and Harold Fannon Junior. I feel like that is just 338 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 3: safety blanket stuff from Stefanski, right, Like just big targets, 339 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: easy throws, and that's going to carry over the Steers Scar. 340 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: That's smart. It is is a smart coach. Do you 341 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: think Shador plays Sunday only if Gabriel gets hurt? Nope. 342 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 2: I think at some point he gets in. You think 343 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: the owner goes to the sidelines. 344 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: And what it shows up on the side and I 345 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: then to be tremendous. Uh hasl Yeah, put him in? 346 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: Put him in, or maybe him and Dion will show 347 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: up in the sideline Dean like put my kid in. 348 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: Uh but uh well, no, I I think the only 349 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,239 Speaker 1: way Gabriel plays every snap is if they lead, uh 350 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: not come you know what I mean, Like if they're 351 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: in control of the. 352 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: Game, not the whole way, but in the second half. 353 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: So you think if they're down by like a touchdown 354 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter, they'll throw Shador out there. 355 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: I give they're done by two scores from the third 356 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: quarter on. He will definitely play. I'll say definitely then too. 357 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: If it's a game that's over already, with still probably 358 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: a fourth quarter left to play, why not pool that switch? 359 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: See what you got in Shadoor. But if it's close, 360 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 2: you know, if. 361 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: It's a game that the Steelers mess around with losing, 362 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: I don't see him pooling him. 363 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: Who's good on that Cleveland defense? Besides Garrett, who's the threat, 364 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: It is a good unit. 365 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 3: I think a lot of them are threat at Mkhil Collins, 366 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: the other guy, MALIEK. Collins is his name. He had 367 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 3: three sacks last week. He's on the defensive front with Garrett. 368 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: Mason Graham's awesome, the the tackle for Michigani. 369 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: He's good. 370 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: I always say this. He's good enough that you notice 371 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: him on the network fee He's awesome. You see him 372 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: throwing guys around. 373 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 3: I think Harmon is going to be very good. But 374 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: that was the class of d tackles. In this class 375 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 3: was Mason Graham. I mean he's the instant star. I mean, no, 376 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: no knocking Harmon because it's early doors. But I don't 377 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: notice him. I see every Steeler game, every snap. 378 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: I don't notice Harmon, you know, since he got in 379 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: the lineup like I have Mason Graham and my limited 380 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: exposure watching. 381 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 3: The Browns, and honestly, that's how it should be. Mason 382 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 3: Gram's a top five pick and was a great player 383 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: in college. Not to say Harmon wasn't Dell not to 384 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 3: out put Denzel Ward, obviously a really good corner. They 385 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: traded Greg Newsom, but their number one corners Denzel Award 386 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 3: and this rookie linebacker on the inside, Schwezinger. He's been 387 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 3: playing awesome for the Browns this year. Ano they're kind of, 388 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: you know, let's trust a rookie and see if it 389 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 3: pays off. And it's been paying off. So there's a 390 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 3: lot of dudes on this defense. It really is one 391 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 3: of the best defenses in football. 392 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: I hope Mason Rudolph plays so Garrett can try to 393 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 1: brain him again with his own helmet. 394 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 3: I think there's a chance this might be the best chance. 395 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 3: You see Rogers get hurt so far this year. Although 396 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 3: the Steelers are gonna throw the ball. 397 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 2: Quick, Oh no, no, no, that moment's coming. 398 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: Rogers goes down and stays down, and Rudolph got to 399 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: come in it's gonna happen sooner or later. Rodgers ain't 400 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: gonna play seventeen games. I said before the season, it'd 401 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: be great if he played fourteen. 402 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is yeah, And this is just a 403 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 3: game where you have to kind of worry about it 404 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 3: because of Garrett and Graham and the elite Collins, the 405 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: guys up front like they hit hard and put weight 406 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 3: of body on the quarterback. I would love to see 407 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 3: the Rudolph versus Garrett rivalry play out one more time. 408 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,239 Speaker 1: I'd do the longest jarct thing. I'd drill him bright 409 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: and nots. If I were Rudolph, I would too. Yes, 410 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 1: it worked once, it should work again. One oh five nine, 411 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: the X. 412 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 4: One O five nine, the X as your shot at eggs. 413 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 4: Drink cash money like that Lucho Dinero. I'm rich, rich, rich, 414 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 4: gim listen all day for your chance as some extra 415 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 4: cash on one oh five nine, it's the X time 416 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 4: now for your. 417 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 2: Doublem. 418 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: Talking to Tommy Radio tom Jalen, Ramsey did participate in 419 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,239 Speaker 1: practice today, but when asked by the media afterwards if 420 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: he'd be playing Sunday against Cleveland, he said, quote unquote. 421 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: We'll see. Uh. 422 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: I feel if Ramsey doesn't play, the Steelers defense will 423 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: probably be vanilla. 424 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: And I disagree with that. 425 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: I understand, but I think you should try to confuse 426 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel him being a rookie quarterback for Cleveland and 427 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: I harke him back to the days where Dick Lebo 428 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: I mean a rookie quarterback. I figure what the record was, 429 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: but almost never beat him, like like it was like 430 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: three and thirty rookie quarterbacks against Dicklebou as the Steelers 431 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. 432 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 3: I agree with that, and with that in mind, when 433 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 3: you just like put Eckles in the Ramsey role and 434 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 3: just say be Ramsey today. You're not like, we don't 435 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: expect you to be that impactful, but just you know. 436 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: What, it'd be a good beck because he's played all 437 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: over the secondary. No, I think would be great to 438 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: do it, but probably unprepared to do it. Is Joey 439 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: Porter junior coming back, but not now. 440 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 3: I just kind of want to stick Joey on the 441 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 3: outside too, Like, let's let Joey find his way as 442 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: an outside corner and maybe even for the entire season, 443 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 3: just get get him comfortable doing that before you really 444 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: start expanding his role. Eckles, I think, is the guy 445 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 3: that you just kind of plug in for Ramsey. Now, 446 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 3: the thing is, I don't think Eckles can play safety though, 447 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 3: so you have to do something else there where Ramsey 448 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 3: could drop back into the safeties. 449 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: But but I'm fine with the thought thorn Hill or Clark. 450 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: But if Eckles can't play safety, then you're asking guys 451 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: to do different things from snap to snap all over 452 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: the secondary. So so in a way, we've made the 453 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: argument for it it remaining vanilla, and like, maybe you 454 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: don't need to be anything bun vanilla to beat this 455 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: quarterback unless he has a real good game, which I 456 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: think he's capable of, but it's so early in his development. 457 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 3: This secondary has proven to be expert communicators too, though, 458 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: so I don't think it's a problem if you're having 459 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 3: a lot of bodies moving in and. 460 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: Out, he said sarcastically. 461 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I I I don't know. 462 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 2: I mean, I do know. You can't lose this game. 463 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 3: I think you can be vanilla against the rookie and 464 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 3: get away with it. But it would have been a 465 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 3: lot better if you give him a lot of different looks. 466 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 3: He was, but we know Flores did in London and 467 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 3: Gabriel was fine, didn't throw any picks, seem pretty composed 468 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 3: in the pocket. 469 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: I don't know. 470 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 3: I think Gabriel is a really solid quarterback, not a starter, 471 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 3: but a guy that can come in and be a 472 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 3: really good backup in this league. 473 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: What if s gets in there in relief, either wins 474 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: the game or comes close as he's the start of 475 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: the next. 476 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 2: Week, Oh no doubt even if Shador does. Yet, do 477 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 2: you think do. 478 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: You think the conflict and there clearly is a conflict 479 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: when when you hear the head coach, Kevin Stevanski, who's 480 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: a two time NFL Coach of the Year, a very 481 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: good coach, when you or him say he didn't know 482 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: Flacco was being traded, there's clearly maybe conflicts too strong 483 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: a word. 484 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: But the owner and coach aren't on. 485 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: The same page at quarterback because, as I think is obvious, 486 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: the owner wants Sheedor to play. 487 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: The owners the reason they drafted Shador. 488 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 3: I think that was a clear reaction from the owner 489 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 3: too when Flacco was benched, him still being quarterback too, 490 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 3: and I think that probably rubbed has them the wrong way. 491 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 3: He was like, why are we still making the old 492 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 3: man anything but the emergency third string. He should just 493 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 3: be a glorified coach. And then he said, you know what, 494 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell my GM to trade Flacco then, because 495 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 3: if he's not here, he can't make. 496 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: Him the number two. 497 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 3: I think Stefanski should have shown some guts and put 498 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 3: Zappi in there as the backup quarterback. 499 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: Like we said yesterday, Tom there's only thirty two of 500 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: those jobs, and that said Stefanski is a guy who 501 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: could get hired, you know, pretty quickly. Maybe North Carolina 502 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: could fire Belichick and they could they could bring Stefanski 503 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: into to finish the season. 504 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 505 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: I My dream scenario, like I said I think yesterday, 506 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: is that that Tomlin you know, gets fired or resigns 507 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,239 Speaker 1: at the end of the season and Stefanski quits in 508 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: Cleveland because the the the conflict with the owner over 509 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: quarterback and comes right to Pittsburgh. I think this team 510 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: with Kevin Stefanski could go on a playoff run. 511 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 2: No kidding, I just. 512 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 3: Want an offensive mind like that. And Arthur Smith is 513 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: an upgrade for Matt Canada, but he's not that level. 514 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 3: He's not a play is Tomlin's bitch? That's what No 515 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 3: that's what we're seeing already. 516 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Arthur Smith had an offense that wasn't this prehistoric. 517 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 2: I mean right, it. 518 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: Featured the tight ends, but it used the tight ends 519 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: for something other than blockers. This is ridiculous. I'm sorry. 520 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: I go up on tangents about it all the time. 521 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: I wrote a column about it for the Trip trip 522 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: live dot com. But but this is ridiculous. Seventh offensive 523 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: lineman is ridiculous. 524 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: It's not the man. 525 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: In my position could not afford to be made to 526 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: look ridiculous. 527 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 3: It really isn't the full complement of the Arthur Smith offense, 528 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: especially when you look at the tight ends and how 529 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 3: he used guys like the Amy Walker in Tennessee, and 530 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: then furthermore when he had aj Brown and Corey Davis 531 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 3: on the outset at wide receiver. Those guys were deep 532 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 3: threats for Tennessee. They were bombing the ball down the field. 533 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 3: Of course, they had Derek Henry running football, so that changed. 534 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: No One has his finger in every single pie with 535 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: what the Steelers do personnel wise, all the game plans, 536 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. 537 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 2: He is a megalomaniac, and I don't mean that in 538 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 2: a good way Stefanski. 539 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: Would absolutely change this offense for the better. Guys like 540 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 3: that would absolutely change this offense and bring it into 541 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 3: modern football. But since Tomlin wants to have his fingers 542 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 3: and all those pies, I think he feels threatened by 543 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 3: guys like that. I think that's been very clear. 544 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: Well when you put it that way, I think we 545 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: all want to have fingers and pies. But I got 546 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: a thing I'm to talk about later, maybe with Charlie Batch. 547 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: Tom does this remind you a little bit the way 548 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: they're deploying Rogers of when the Steelers fired Bruce Ariy 549 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: is because even though Ben was great under him as 550 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: a quarterback, it didn't protect him well enough. They were 551 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: worried about longevity with Ben. And I've often thought, no, 552 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: no offense to Ben, you know who, I had a 553 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: great career and I don't want to see him get hurt, 554 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: but you know, no risk at no biscuit. I think 555 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: if they had, you know, let Ben take a bit 556 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 1: more risk, maybe they would have won more. And I 557 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: think that's the case now with Rogers. I mean, what 558 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: would you rather have him do play seventeen games and 559 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: go nine and eight or play fourteen games? 560 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 2: And win ten of those obviously the fourteen games, and 561 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: win ten and look like a legitimate I mean. 562 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: You're you're putting him at risk, and he's an old man, 563 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: but that's part of the job. 564 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though, I don't think Rogers is shying 565 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 3: away from that risk, nor do I. I don't get 566 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 3: the sense that he's the one that's also like, yeah, 567 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 3: protect me, I don't want to get hit that much. 568 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 3: And so many times you see old quarterbacks shy away 569 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 3: from getting hit. 570 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 2: I don't get that sense from him. 571 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 3: I mean, he's probably on a ton of drugs, right, 572 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 3: like he ayahuasca, percocet, like no, I am, He's on 573 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 3: a ton of pain killers out there. 574 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: I'm sure he thinks, oh yeah, why not. 575 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: Let's just no, let's not say that I did. 576 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 2: Sue Tommy Radio, but ayahuasca. 577 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 3: For sure, we know that for a fact that he 578 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 3: at least does that off the field. I just think 579 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 3: that it's the team deciding for him. 580 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 2: You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna backtrack on your behalf. 581 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: If there's one guy I don't think takes unnecessary drugs, 582 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he's an anti vaxxer. 583 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,239 Speaker 2: I don't know about that though. I think he's up 584 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 2: for the pain. Oh he likes the pain. He so 585 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 2: you like it dirty? Uh, But he's not. He's not 586 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 2: the problem here. 587 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 3: Like it's the coaching staff deciding for him or for themselves. 588 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 3: Like we don't want to have Mason Rudolph get out there. 589 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 3: But the point of having Mason Rudolph is you have 590 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 3: an upper tier backup that you can go to for 591 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 3: a couple games. 592 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: Do you think they see him as upper tier back 593 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: They do not. We see him in a different light 594 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 2: than the team does. Tom. 595 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: I haven't yet noted today what a great night for 596 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: Philadelphia sports. The Eagles got got killed by the New 597 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: York Football Giants. The Phillies got eliminated in the most 598 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: embarrassing way possible. Like the comeback er to the pitcher 599 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: bases loaded two OTTs bottom of extra innings, and instead 600 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: of going first base for the simple play, he kind 601 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: of handcuffed real Mudo at home, who was waving the 602 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: catcher for Philly, pointing to first base to make the 603 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: play there, threw it away, The Dodgers walk it off, 604 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: and then the Flyers lost their opener. 605 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: It was just terrific night. 606 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 3: I didn't even know that part about the Flyers, so 607 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 3: that made it even sweeter. Who cares about them though 608 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 3: their garbage? The Phillies that picture, he just panicked right 609 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: because the ball came to him and he bobbled it 610 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 3: at first, but he had an eternity to love that 611 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: thing to first base. It wasn't just a handcuff of 612 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 3: real mood too. He like air mailed it over the umpires. 613 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 3: It was a terrible throw, like real mudo. 614 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: Had he even been set and wanting the ball to come, 615 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: would not have been ready for it, could not have 616 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: made the play. 617 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 2: No chance. 618 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 3: So you never say that that guy blew it for 619 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 3: the Phillies. And they scored one run to that point 620 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 3: in the game. But that's a tough spot. 621 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: Well, that error ended the series and eliminated the Phillies. 622 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: There's a lot of panic over the Eagles, who were 623 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: still fourign two and they just won the Super Bowl. 624 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: Is there any reason to like, you know, wonder if 625 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: there's a big problem there and if they're I mean, like, 626 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: you know, what's fun people are propping up Kansas City 627 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 1: and they're what two and three and they're they're dumping 628 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: on the Eagles. 629 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 3: Who are four and two, And that's always kind of 630 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 3: been the case with the Eagles during their run here. 631 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: Like sirianni as a head coach has been to two 632 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 3: Super Bowls in three years and he's won one of 633 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: them against the Kansas City Chiefs. People want to fire 634 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 3: him all the time, Like last year he heard noise 635 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 3: about him. 636 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: He's kind of a dink, right, I guess. 637 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 3: But can you be a dink and win as much 638 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: as he does? Like, can you truly be a dink? 639 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 4: Yeah? 640 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 2: He does jaw with the fans. We had that last year. 641 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: Andy Reid does all those commercials like the great Google moglie. Yeah, 642 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: you know what any Reid reminds me of. If Wilford 643 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: Brimley were a football coach would be Andy Reid. 644 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he would play Reid in the movie No Doubt. 645 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 2: Is he dead though? 646 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 3: I think Brimley is dead, But Reid gives off that 647 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 3: like Pops five from the Natural. 648 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: Well, then cross him off. One oh five nine. The 649 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 2: X Spirits Sommer news for the Xsters Halloween cus on Thursday, 650 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:57,959 Speaker 2: October thirtieth. 651 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 4: The Cups set sail at eight pm with live music 652 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 4: from the Clintones playing All Your nineties Favorites. 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We'll see you 659 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 4: on October from the Dollar Energy Fund Weather Center. 660 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: This report is sponsored by the Dollar Energy Fund Weather Center. 661 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 2: Lots of sunshine to start the weekend. 662 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: Today's high in the upper sixties, mostly clear overnight tonight 663 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: with low temperatures in the mid forties and Saturday partly too. 664 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 4: Pre game show with Mark Madden and Tom Offerman on 665 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 4: one oh five nine The X. 666 00:28:54,320 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: We have confirmed Wilfrid Britley. His dad died five years ago. 667 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: Best remembered for his stint as the manager of the 668 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: baseball team in the natural and for playing the Postmaster 669 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: General on Seinfeldt. I mean he did a lot else, 670 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: but that's what jumped to mind with me. Connolences to 671 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: his friends and family. This segment this pregame show from 672 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: two till three brought to us by the personal injury 673 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: expert Schendrovi, Cenrovitch and Fishman. They've got your back, not 674 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: your wallet, Tom. What do we got for today's trifectum? 675 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 3: First, I just have to say absolutely beautiful eulogy of 676 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 3: Wilford Brimley five years after he died. 677 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: Right right, I mean I'm still kind of teared up 678 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: in light of the fact I wasn't even sure he 679 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: was dead. 680 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 3: All Right, my trifecta today, I got three things that 681 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 3: the Steelers offense can expose on this really good Browns defense. 682 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 3: Number three, I just have written down Devin Bush. Devin 683 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 3: Bush is the other inside linebacker opposite of the rookie Schwezinger. 684 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 2: Does he start for this? He does. 685 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 3: Jeremiah Wilsa Corramoa, their usual starter, has hurt pretty injuries 686 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 3: out for the year. His career might even be in jeopardy. 687 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 3: But Devin Bush is the starter. So just key on 688 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 3: Devin Bush. Target Devin Bush. He stinks. Number two the 689 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 3: short passing game. Matt Williamson turned me onto this. According 690 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 3: to Next Gen Stats, the Browns are twenty ninth in 691 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 3: the league against what they dictate a short passing game, 692 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 3: and that's Rogers's bread and butter for the Steelers is 693 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 3: get that ball out quick, do a lot of short stuff. 694 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 3: So if the Browns have problems with it, that plays 695 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 3: kind of right into the Steelers' hands. But the number 696 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 3: one advantage I see for the Steelers, it's the number 697 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 3: one advantage every team has against this Browns defense. 698 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 2: They are last in the league in red zone defense. 699 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 3: They give up a touchdown seventy eight percent of the 700 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 3: time that a team gets to the red zone. 701 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 2: Now here's the thing. 702 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: That's a big figure for what's considered to be a 703 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: pretty good defense up there in Cleve. 704 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 3: But here's the thing. Most teams don't get to the 705 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: red zone against the Browns. It's a struggle to get there. 706 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 3: Just when you do, for whatever reason, you have success 707 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 3: against them. Steelers are operating right now at sixty nine 708 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 3: percent as far as red zone efficiency is concerned. That's 709 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 3: eighth in the league. So they're actually really good at 710 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 3: that top ten. I think that could be a huge 711 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 3: factor in this game. If they can get into that 712 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 3: red area, Rogers should be able to get in the 713 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 3: end zone. 714 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: Tom, what do you think specifically has to happen for 715 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: the Steelers to lose this game to the Brons. 716 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 3: Rogers is going to have to turn the ball over 717 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 3: a couple times, and that just seems so far fetched 718 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 3: to think that he'll do that. Maybe a Miles Garrett 719 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 3: blindside stripsack is how it happens. I just don't see 720 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 3: him throwing like multiple interceptions. And Judkins is going to 721 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 3: go off. If the Steelers lose, the Browns are going 722 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 3: to have to score some point. It's gonna have to 723 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 3: move the ball somehow on offense. It'll be with Judkins 724 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 3: having another big game. And you know what, I think 725 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: people out there are kind of just pretending the Steelers 726 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 3: rush defens is fixed because they hadn't been gashed like 727 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 3: they had been at the beginning of the year against Minnesota. 728 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: But it's not fixed yet, and Judkins is going to 729 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: be a pretty decent test. 730 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 4: Tom. 731 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: What'd you make the Penguins game last night? 732 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: I thought it was another decent effort, a systematic, buttoned 733 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: up effort against a pretty bad team. 734 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: They played two pretty bad teams and beat them both. 735 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: Although the Rangers did bounce back and beat Buffalo last 736 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: night for a zip, which means Buffalo still sucks. 737 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 2: It's buffalo. 738 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 3: I thought it was awesome Gino finding the Fountain of 739 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 3: Youth at the start of the season. He looked like 740 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 3: a pool shark, didn't he on that pass to Brawsers 741 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 3: playing the angles like that. It was awesome and great 742 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 3: finish by Browsers too. It wasn't just you know, go 743 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 3: in and shoot a little stick handling there in front 744 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 3: of the net. So I thought it was just an 745 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 3: awesome game. I don't know how long Gino can keep 746 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 3: that up. In fact, that was all right, I mean 747 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 3: better now than never. Of course, I don't even really 748 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 3: expect him to keep it up, but maybe he doesn't 749 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 3: have to drop off too much right his level of play, 750 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 3: and that would still be very successful for the Penguins. 751 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: Well, they won't do this, for example, like if Rust 752 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: is ready tomorrow night, which he maybe he'll go right 753 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: back with Crosby and Raquel, which is not what I 754 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: would do. 755 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 2: But I would keep Gino. 756 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: With the two big wingers until it doesn't work, and 757 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure they will tomorrow night no matter who's available, 758 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: because it's just such a different look. Like the Gino 759 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: scored on the power play, I mean it was out 760 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: of traffic was out of traffic, you know. 761 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 2: What I mean. 762 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: It's like, maybe maybe that can be something that he 763 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: reaps the benefit from being out there with that Godzilla line, 764 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: the two other six foot five guys. 765 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 3: The power play looked good last night too. That looks 766 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 3: like there's carryover from last year to this year with 767 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 3: them kind of figuring things out. And Eric Carlson, I 768 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 3: mean it's two games, but he's been awesome for two games. 769 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 3: I mean, this is the Carlson we kind of hope 770 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 3: we get. 771 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 4: Well. 772 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: No, there were a few more warning signs of the 773 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: hand grenade hockey, the usual Penguins version of Eric Carlson 774 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: last night. But yeah, he played well enough. I thought 775 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: Brunck was brilliant. I think the defense overall for a 776 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: defensive cord that sucks, especially on the left side, has 777 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: actually uh looked. 778 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 3: Okay, I am curious you brought this up. What happens 779 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 3: if for us is healthy and ready to go tomorrow, 780 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 3: which I kind of think he will be. 781 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 2: He plays with sid and Raquel. 782 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: There's no question you don't agree with that though, right, 783 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter because it doesn't know Vine. I 784 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: would play, I would try kindle with sit Coiven has 785 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: not had a great first two games. He's not been 786 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: bad in his efforts, certainly there, he just not sparkled. 787 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 3: But so many times we said with Sullivan, you know, 788 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 3: a couple of games where a guy doesn't sparkle, and 789 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 3: it's done. 790 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 2: We're not going to experiment anymore. 791 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 3: Given some run here with Sid, let him play ten 792 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 3: twelve games on that first line. You're right, it's going 793 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 3: to be Rust and Raquel. I would keep Coven in there. 794 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,479 Speaker 3: I would keep that first line attack. 795 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 2: I would try Kindle there. Sure, I'd keep the first 796 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: line and second line intact. For now. I just go 797 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: Rust on the third line. Have him play Kendle's wing. 798 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 2: You know, I had a good name game last night. 799 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: They scratched Tomasino after the game at New York because 800 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, he's small potatoes. You don't have to worry 801 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: at all about developing him. He is exactly as good 802 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: as he's ever going to be. And they played Hollander, 803 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: the kid who they drafted, came over, went back to Sweden. 804 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: Now he's back in North America again, and he actually 805 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: had a good game. I think he had an insist. 806 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 2: It's going back to what you said at the beginning 807 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 2: of the show. The staleness is gone. Right. 808 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: Oh, one thing I'm sure about is that Sullivan should 809 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: have been gone a couple of years ago, just to 810 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: get rid of the staleness this. This doesn't feel like 811 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: the same team. It doesn't feel like the same old, 812 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: same old. And as a result, however early and it is, 813 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: they're getting results that were unexpected. 814 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 3: Does it make you say, what if a little bit 815 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 3: not that they'd win a Cup if they had moved 816 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 3: on from Sullivan a little bit earlier, But maybe it's 817 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 3: not a three year playoff drout. 818 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 2: Maybe they win a series in the playoffs. 819 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: I think if they had moved on was from Sullivan, 820 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,959 Speaker 1: like around twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, they would 821 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: have won a playoff series. And no, I can't say that, 822 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: but I think they would have made the playoffs. They 823 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: would not have missed each of the last three years. 824 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: That's probably the best way to. 825 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 3: Put it, especially that one year where they tried almost 826 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 3: everything in their power to not make it. 827 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 2: And it's that Carlson game against the Red Wings. 828 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 1: Remember well, yeah, idently gave up a loser point to Detroit, 829 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: But yeah, that whole year was just like they'd blow lead. 830 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: There were so many missed opportunities, not least on the 831 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 1: stretch that was two years ago, where they had chances 832 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: even the year before. Both years they had chances to 833 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 1: wrap up playoff spots with games they should have won 834 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: against weak opponents and did not do it. 835 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 2: Now, how do you think Jari played. 836 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 3: I think he was kind of nah in that it 837 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 3: wasn't like the Islanders beat him on any asling goals 838 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 3: for any of the three that they scored. But I 839 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 3: will say Jarry played a pretty good third period and 840 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 3: there were some testy moments there, some tip shots that 841 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 3: he came up big with on saves. 842 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, he battled the puck, but he also 843 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: battled twin. Kind of looks like a backup right one 844 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: oh five nine x