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Speaker 2: Well, she can't speak for herself.

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Speaker 1: So her brother is Cincinnati's exiled police chief has been

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Speaker 1: coming on Chief Fiji six months, thirty two witnesses and

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Speaker 1: what else is going on? His name is Russ Neville.

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Speaker 1: She he is Terry's brother and sits on the show

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Speaker 1: this morning to start us off on seven hundred WW Russ,

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Speaker 1: welcome in. Thank you very very much, appreciate it to

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Speaker 1: have You're tired of talking about this yet?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm tired of the circumstances surrounding it, but I

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Speaker 1: She's been on leave since October, so five months now.

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Speaker 1: Day to days for her is like what it's an

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Speaker 1: Evan flow. I've said it all along. You know, she

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Speaker 1: had good moments bad moments.

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Speaker 3: She got a lot of family, a lot of family support,

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Speaker 3: But it's you know, it comes and goes. It's gut

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty five years in the force, never anything bad

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Speaker 3: Yes, but there are benefits to being a local and

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Speaker 3: Every bit of it has blindsided her. Every bit of

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Speaker 1: Never had an employment review in seven years as chief,

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Speaker 1: She thinks she's doing exempt a job because no one's

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent of citizens day one and we feel

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and at the same time, you know, the citizens

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Speaker 3: It's it's surprising and not surprising. It's the reality of elections,

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Speaker 1: Russ Neville and she's, like I said, she's been doing

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Speaker 1: She's a first female chief. Do you think jender players

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Speaker 1: They had thirty two witnesses that said, look, there's a

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Speaker 3: That is an out like, outright lie or a misperception

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the other element here is okay, So

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Speaker 1: It's up to the individual that are presenting in this case.

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Speaker 3: every investigation, every interview is recorded. You lay out your investigation.

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Speaker 1: Additionally, there's an issue of nepotism. How does that strike

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Speaker 3: No, it's a perception of whomever made that statement. It's

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Speaker 1: Hire the best person for the job. But again I

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Speaker 1: they alleged nepotism. They also alleged that Terry Fiji kind

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Speaker 1: And that was not a political arrest, but it certainly

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Speaker 1: Thiji when they themselves from Aftab and sure along on

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Speaker 3: Themselves because it's beneficial to their mythical narrative of an

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Speaker 3: is that Scott, I do want to say yes, couldn't

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Speaker 3: they do. It's wrong, deal with it. Voters decided that, however,

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Speaker 3: I will tell you, that is not how Terry manages,

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Speaker 3: and the facts of that will come out when litigation

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Speaker 3: depositions are provided, and we look forward to the depositions,

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Speaker 3: not in a fun way, but forward to achieving the

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Speaker 1: She flies out to Denver, is out there, wheels go down,

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Speaker 2: What were that seventy two hours like for her?

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Speaker 3: In the family, miserable, miserable, shocking, unexpected, miserable, depressing, embarrassing,

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Speaker 3: Oh it's worse than that. This, this situation is much

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Speaker 3: But they've tormented her, They've embarrassed her. You know, I

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Speaker 1: What is so if she decided, okay, that's out in

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Speaker 2: Is she have for that fight?

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Speaker 3: There is you can't do any more than surprisingly puts

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Speaker 3: Let's go to litigation, and let's have the depositions of

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna it's going to be a settlement,

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Speaker 1: What's hard of all of a sudden, now five days

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Speaker 2: Like if you're the city of back that up.

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Speaker 3: I take this back to and I continue to mean it.

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Speaker 1: Is there an animosity towards Adam Henny? I mean also

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Speaker 1: So has any word? Is there anydication what's going to

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Speaker 3: Nothing regarding any timelines of anything. And the anticipation is

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Speaker 2: I know Steve, he's a really good attorney. He's very

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Speaker 3: He's a he's a super good guy. He's a carrying guy.

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Speaker 3: Not only one, was it not? Is it not? Numbers

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Speaker 1: And that was in the winter cold winner. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: It's concerning, and we pray for, We truly do pray

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Speaker 1: He is Russ Neville is Terry Thigi's brother, not speaking

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