WEBVTT - 3-31-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 Do you want to be an American? 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:05.000 Do you know how hard is to say this is 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:09.000 one of the most bizarre stories we've ever seen in Cincinnati. 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.240 You know how hard that is in the city of ours. 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.360 Welcome to its Scott Sloan back on seven hundred W GOL, 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.080 the man beaten down twenty had beaten twenty eight times 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.600 last summer, who is also facing criminal charges, is supposed 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:24.840 to have his day in court today. That would be 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:29.080 Alex Tchravinsky, his trial charged with disorderly conduct after what 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.800 happened in July. Back on fourth and ALM. It's been 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:35.080 delayed and delayed and delayed again and after a last 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.199 minute continuance, but today allegedly is the day. Today is 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.159 the day he will be in court and on that 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:44.040 as attorney Steve Gooden on the show on seven hundred 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.199 WLW Steve, welcome, how are you look? 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:48.520 Good morning, fantastic? 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:50.000 This is gonna happen today. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.800 I just feel like something is They're gonna go well, 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.680 we need more time, right because last time in this 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.720 really odd case, the prosecution's key witness face to appear. 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.960 He said he or she said, there's fear for safety 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.720 there after misinformation, Len and believe he'd be identified as 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:09.120 an FBI informant, and they got a continuance on that, 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:10.920 and I judge said, okay, this is the last one. 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.880 But how does misinformation the prosecution failed to manage become 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.279 grounds to delay a defendant who is ready for trial. 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.919 Yeah, you know, look, this is probably the most litigated 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:27.039 misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge in American history, so nothing would 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.960 surprise me. But I do know you know this judge 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.240 a bit, and I think he's going to put his 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.600 foot down today and make. 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:35.840 The trial go forward. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:40.040 Also, I would note it is a very rare instance 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.440 in which is going to be a jury trial for 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.120 misdemeanor disorderly conduct. It's kind of a rare instance where 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:50.840 that's even allowed. So I presumably the jury commissioner has 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.880 brought in perspective jurors, and I think that is typically 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.600 a factor for a judge when he grants a continuance, 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.400 if the jurors are really ready to go, doesn't want 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.560 to inconvenience them. So I would bet that today is 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:08.520 finally the day for the most litigated, disportless kind. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.359 Of strategy perhaps in the history of the Republic. 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.280 We've had a lot of We've had a lot of 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:16.280 bizarre cases come through Cincinnata. There's always some if something 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.440 bizarre is going on, there's always a tie to Cincinnati, 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.639 and often we have crazy stuff happening here. But this 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:22.399 is uh, this has got to be at the top 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.920 of that list. All right, So final continuance. But do 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.040 we even know are they going to produce this this 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.440 mystery witness and what happens the case if they don't. 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.800 Well, if they don't, I mean, they presumably have other witnesses. 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:37.720 So I mean it's just really kind of a sad. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.200 Commentary on the state of the city that, of course, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.839 if you have a street brawl in Cincinnati, either may 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:44.959 be may or may not be an FBI. And for 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.880 him at just standing around in the crowd, uh, you know, 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:49.560 whether he was an afoormant or not. I think I 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.360 think they concluded he was not, but but some thought 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.960 he was. So I mean, you know, even that that 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.640 adds another level of uh bizarreness and uh, you know, 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:04.160 flexity to the whole thing. But presumably they have other witnesses. 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.200 I mean, what they've got to show here is kind 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.119 of weird. So disorderly conduct in this case is defined 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:13.120 and I quote by engaging in fighting or threatening harm, 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:19.000 by making unreasonable noises or using offensively coarse language or gestures. 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.880 And in order to get the more serious form of 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.359 it that actually carries jail time, I mean, typically it's 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.960 just a payout ticket. You have to show that there 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.440 was persistent conduct. 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.720 You know, that way. So that's what they've got a show. 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:34.480 So they're going to need to put on quite a 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.000 few witnesses, and I'm assuming they're going to try to 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.440 authenticate and play this video. I guess there's video from 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:44.680 multiple different angles, security cameras, celf phoned stuff, social media, 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.080 things of that nature. So you know, certainly they're going 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:49.920 to be able to at least put on a basic 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.240 case with the video alone. Now that said, his lawyers 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.120 said he's going to argue self defense, you know, because 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.680 he says he has been he was struck at least 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:05.000 twenty eight times and allegedly had some cognitive issues right afterwards. 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.600 And I guess he did give some statements to the police, 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.119 but he's going to argue I think that those statements 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:14.280 were affected by being hit in the head repeatedly. And 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.839 also I'm assuming his lawyer is going to go here. 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.640 If I were his lawyer, I'd be going very heavily 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:23.120 into the decision to charge mister Travinsky because he is 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:28.080 listed as a victim and witness in multiple felony cases 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.080 from the other individuals who struck he and this lady 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:34.240 known as Holly, who was knocked unconscious and beaten very badly. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:39.200 So he is both a victim and now a very 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.360 and a witness and now a defendant. And he was 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:47.280 only charged many, many many months later after there have 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.920 been press conferences and so forth, and prothlague game in 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.280 Lynch and some leaders in the black community. You thought 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.599 that he needed to be charged based upon seeing the videos. 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.400 So there is some stink on the case from that 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.599 point of view as to whether or not he was capegoated. 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.920 So I think you've got a lot for this jury 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:06.040 to consider. I feel sorry for this jury because they 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.040 probably got him paneled their dead at the courthouse, thinking 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:12.080 my god, we may have a homicide trial or some 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:17.479 serious case involving a you know, a large lawsuit. This 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.640 is going to be fascinating, and instead they're going to 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:24.440 be dissecting a street brawl from different different angles for 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:25.320 three or four days. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:26.520 So God bless them. 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.080 There the two detectives who spent literally one hundreds of 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:33.240 hours on game, they wouldn't sign the charges against Alex Ttravinsky. 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.440 They were threatened, I guess with the motion, and the captain, who, 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.840 by the way, is now the interim police chief, Adam Henney, 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.600 signed it to protect his office. What's that tell you 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:43.680 about the strength of the case when the investigators won't 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:44.360 put their names on. 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.360 Well, you know, it's I mean, I think it's pretty 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.919 obvious it's not the best case in the world. I 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.440 mean that being said, you know, it is a jury trial, 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:57.040 so you know, anything can happen in a jury trial. 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.400 As we always say, it's not like, you know, jurors 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:03.520 can have a different view of what the community standard 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.039 should be for a case like this, So you just 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.159 you never know. And there is a question as to 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.480 how much the judge is going to let the attorneys 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:15.040 get into that kind of background about how it was charged, 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:16.400 and how much the jurors are. 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:16.880 Going to know. 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.240 Folks like you and I are pretty plugged into this. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.640 The average citizen in Hamilton County may not recall that 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:23.640 level of detail. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:24.520 And if the. 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.960 Judge rules that are truly not relevant to whether or 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:28.960 not the crime was committed. He may keep some of 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.359 that information from the jurors, so we don't know what 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.240 they will actually know. But if they hear that, it's 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.919 going to really hurt the case. And surely they're going 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.520 to be allowed to know that he was assaulted, that 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.320 he got the worst of this and it's bad. 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:42.520 Now. 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:44.760 Now, if I'm Alex Jrminsky's lawyer, the biggest thing I 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:46.840 would worry about is this. It's what I would call 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.359 the Victoria Parks factor. I mean, she did say she 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.719 was a former city council member who famously said that 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:56.720 these quote deserve to get be down. There are people 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.160 who may look at this and think, you know, nobody 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:00.799 here covered themselves and glory. 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:02.159 They were all out. 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.239 Drinking at two three in the morning in the middle 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.479 of this thing, and there are there was a school 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.479 thought that hey, you know he was down there mixed 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.480 up in this in one way or another, and you know, 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.800 and a pox on all their houses and everyone's guilty 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.760 of something. I mean, there are people who would look 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:21.120 at it that way. So you know, again we're well 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.480 afield of the law. It's really hard to apply the 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:27.280 law and these kind of misdemeanor decisions because are kinds 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.400 of cases because you know, engaging and fighting. 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:33.000 I mean, it's you know, it's the language is both. 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.680 It seems very specific, but actually when you think about it, 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:36.400 it's very vague. 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:37.040 It's the kind of. 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.240 Thing that goes on in these worlds all the time. 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.680 The jury is going to have a changeful well. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.080 I think also it shows you that the echo chamber 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.040 is louder than the law in that this is exactly 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.920 like the Nicholas Sandman thing from twenty nineteen where this 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.440 young man from a cubcath is in DC on a 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:57.440 high school trip, confronts Nathan Phillips, the Native American man 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.400 who was protesting, and the initial reports were the he 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.720 had and this would be Nick Sandman, the student had 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:09.200 attacked and verbally attacked or looked down upon this Native 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.600 American man, and it turns out the opposite was true. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:12.960 That he didn't walk up to him. 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.240 The Native American elder man walked up to him and 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.400 he just had like a staring contest, I guess, and 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.160 was smiling at him. But all those people who attacked 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.360 Nick Sandman then didn't retract what they said and said, hey, 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.320 you know, at first Blush it looked like he was 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.080 the aggressor, and it turns out the other man was 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.160 the aggressor. No one ever apologizes for these things. Same 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.240 thing here is that it looked like, initially from the 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.080 citizen video from the street videos, that it was Alex 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.000 Stravinsky as the guy who committed the assault, when it 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.560 turns out he was assaulted twenty eight times prior, including Holly. 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.680 And the end result is, well, you know, we had 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:47.960 all these people step up and say, hey, listen, you 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.000 charge everybody else weren't charging the white guy. And of 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.200 course when the truth came out from the state a 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.120 different story, no one apologized, and we've delayed this trial 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.040 now forever. And I think that's part of it as well, 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.000 because history makes your memory a little bit foggy, right, 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.840 So all those things aside this charge here that ale 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.520 Stravinsky was the aggressor, it turns out he was attacked. 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.439 That's even backed up by the state. The state's on 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.720 timeline shows that how does that charge survive the self 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:12.440 defense argument? 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:15.160 Well, you know it likely won't. 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.319 I mean, I you know, my prediction is that the 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.880 most I think most people are going to go look 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:21.800 at this and think, look this, I didn't deserve to 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.360 be this assaulted the way he was, didn't deserve to 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.720 have his life turned upside down with these criminal charges. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.160 I do predict that they'll find them not guilty. I mean, 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.000 you know, the the only issue that I think they're 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:35.880 going they're gonna pound on here is as the videos 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.400 I have seen. Again, I caution people all the time 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.400 that these videos we see on Facebook and Twitter, you know, 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:47.400 are often you know, selectively posted, edited and and and 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.679 often don't have the full context of what happened. But 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.400 there is this issue of what they're calling quote end 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:54.400 quote the slap. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.240 It does look as though that after he. 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.680 Was assaulted and walked away from the situation, that he 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.480 did re engage with one individual and slap that individual. Now, 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.480 whether that admits to some sort of quote persistent fighting, 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.760 I don't know. Prosecutors that I know very well, as 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.040 well as some of the police officers who looked at it, 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.760 said look, you know, it's it's not a serious it's nothing, 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.600 you know, in the context of what happened. So I 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.480 know a lot of very smart and experienced people looked 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.000 at that particular part of the video and found it 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.600 to be not something that would rise to the level 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.160 of criminal conduct, particularly in the case of a guy 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.920 who was the victim of a serious assault, and a 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.400 felony level assault at that by a large crowd. So 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.760 but that, I think you're going to hear a lot 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:42.439 of talk about this slap and where he looked as 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.040 though there was a brief moment where he was at 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.800 least in the clear and away from these individuals and 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:50.040 then sort of re engaged. I think that's ultimately what 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.360 they're going to have to hang their hat on for 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:56.120 the prosecution. It's not much, and I do think most 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:57.960 people are going to look at this fairly and say, 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:00.679 you know, there's nothing here. But again, and that said, 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.600 you know, there may be other you know, the live 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.400 witnesses are going to provide different contexts. We don't know 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:10.040 what was said between these individuals. There have been all 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.160 kinds of allegations and hints that racial slurs were being 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.480 thrown around. We don't know that for a fact. That 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:18.679 may change kind of how some folks look at this. 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.240 I mean, there are there's an argument that that is 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.880 exceptionally disorderly. We do have this kind of concept of 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.480 fighting words in Ohio. But also it's very interesting. I 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.320 do think because of our new stand your ground laws. 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:34.000 You know a lot of folks talk about those in 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.560 the gun context, but they also sort of apply here. 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.559 He doesn't really have a duty to retreat anymore. There 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:42.680 used to be this argument in Ohio law for self 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.800 defense that if you were under attack, you know, you 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:46.439 did have some sort of duty to retreat. 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:48.080 You really don't have that anymore. 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.400 So I do think on balance, you know, he will 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.440 likely be found not guilty, but you know, again who knows, 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:55.880 and there may be evidence that we're not. 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:56.600 Yeah. 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:58.440 Well, I mean, if he's sound that guilty, it just 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.800 gives more credence that the people got this wrong from 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.280 the initial had a big press conference about it. We'll 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.160 just say, well, it goes to show you how racially 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.560 biased the court system is, despite of course, this case 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.719 being heard by a jury of their peers, who will 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.719 probably see the evidence. Ago Travinsky was the victim here 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.320 and not the assailant. He was struck twenty eight times 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:20.560 in the head and face concussion syndrome PTSD. He owned 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.720 a being in that fight and thrown the punch. He's 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.959 a victim in this case, as well as a defendant. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:30.760 How hard is that for the prosecutor to not violate 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.000 his constitutional rights. That's a pretty it seems to me 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.720 to be a pretty narrow window to negotiate this. 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:42.000 Well. Yeah, I mean, frankly, if the city loses this case. 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:43.440 And I think that's one of the things that's important 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:45.960 to note here that there are two different prosecutors offices 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:47.960 inning able to count because the handle the county prosecutor's 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:52.240 office that handles all felonies and some misdemeanors and surrounding areas. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.760 The city still has its own small prosecutor's office that 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:59.320 only handles misdemeanors within the city limits, and they're the 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.400 ones bringing case. But the other prosecutor's office, hamilicuty prosecutor's office, 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.440 are prosecuting all the other folks involved in this fight 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.600 because there's charged with felonies. So there is some some 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.720 real tension there. It's like, you know, the city is 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:16.480 prosecuting one of the key witnesses in the counties cases. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.920 So that's a that's a problem number one. Number two, 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.480 I would predict that if he is acquitted by this jury, 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.120 that he probably already has counsel lined up to look 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:30.319 at a potential malicious malicious prosecution lawsuit and or a 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:34.120 civil rights claim, basically saying, look, I was prosecuted for 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.680 political reasons. I really didn't have a good faith basis 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.680 to bring this, and the city may be in a 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.120 position to pay out yet. 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.840 Another multi arty about settlement asual impact. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.200 It's a budget even Fritter, So is that stand? 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:47.880 Is that the next is that hard? 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.360 After this gets I don't know if I'll get dismissed, 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:52.040 but after this thing wraps up, and I think the 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.960 prediction is pretty good that Alex Stravinsky's going to walk, 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.600 and let's say that he does. He then turns around 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.800 to a malicious prosecution case as a civil case against 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:04.120 the city and civil claim outside of settlement. Though that's 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.400 pretty ugly. Does that implicate the mayor to some degree 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.040 or at least the administration, because typically the mayor will 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.600 isolate himself and insult himself rather with the people like 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.480 sure along and other underlings that'll take the bullet for him, 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.000 so to speak. But does that turn around to be 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.600 problematic from a civil rights violation for the mayor of 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:26.600 the City of Cincinnati, going, Hey, if it's proven that 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.920 we were able to influence the arrest and prosecution of 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.720 Alex Stravinsky, then of course that's a civil rights violation there. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:37.880 That's a pretty serious charge against officers of the City 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.280 of Cincinnati, the mayor notwithstanding. 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.760 Well, I mean, you're absolutely right. I'm going to try 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:44.800 to walk a fine line here because I'm trying to 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.360 be your legal analyst and not a standing critic of 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:52.080 the mayor, which i am. This is the part where 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.960 it gets really fun. If there's a malicious prosecution claim 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.720 and it survives the early stages, they will have the 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:02.000 ability to subpoena the documents and take demand documents, pull 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:04.000 documents out of the city, and they'll have the ability 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:09.000 to take depositions. And if, as one presumes, the city 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.240 manager and or the mayor were involved in any way 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:16.040 shape or forming the decision to charge Alex Treminsky, that's 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.240 going to come out and that is inappropriate, I mean 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.560 by any standard. I mean, they're not supposed to be 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.760 under our charter form of government. You know, the police 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.120 officers are supposed to be able to work independently and 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:30.880 without political pressure. And if he can show that political pressure, 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.720 that is a real problem, not just in terms of 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:39.720 civil liability and monetary damages. That's a real problem politically, 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.080 and it's a real sign of just how things may 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.760 have very well, really broken down by this. And you know, 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.080 it sometimes can be a very minor thing like a misdemeanor. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.560 This misdemeanor charge. You know, there are over I think 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.800 ten to fifteen thousand misdemeanors filed every year, you know, 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.040 in Hamilton County. But one of these, this little thing, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.200 this little tiny charge, it typically doesn't carry jail time, 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.480 could have huge ramifications down the road if it leads 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:06.760 to a lawsuit that Chols there. 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:08.600 Was political involvement in this decision to. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.320 Charge him, which common sense seems to indicate had to 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.520 be the fact case, because it's very rare for a 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.280 case like this to be charged many months after the fact. 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.120 He is attorney Steve Gooden and a formal consulman. Thanks 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:20.720 for jumping on the show this morning. I think the 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.920 short rate here is it probably should this should end 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.720 rather quickly. But then it gets really interesting if Alex 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.280 Stravinsky is exonerator, will find out what happens. But the 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.720 trial is set for today. Get some popcorn, baby, Steve 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:32.360 all the best. 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.320 Thanks again, Take care shot. Thanks all right. 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.560 News update here seconds away on the Big one seven 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.240 hundred WLW. I'll get the very latest then we'll return 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:41.880 here on the show, we jump right in here. This 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:45.640 is interesting. There's a case now that is coming out 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.400 against Sephora and Benefit they're cosmetic companies, and that they 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:51.600 are deliberately to This is on the heels of the metaverdict, 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.000 by the way, targeting children under the age of ten 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:59.280 to get them to buy makeup. Kids under ten are 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.600 now well, girls under ten are now using makeup makeup 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.360 and the courts are trying to shut this down. We'll 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.520 get it that next on the show seven hundred wl 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.600 Here we go slowly on seven hundred WLW. 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.960 What we got going on today? Another crazy day? 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:21.880 Uh? 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.119 I think this is really interesting. Is you know we 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.360 always talking about kids becoming adults too soon, the adulting 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.320 of the kid's although at the same time we complained 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.639 about kids not beingcome mature enough. Like when I was 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.000 your age, I had sixteen jobs, already fought in a 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:38.520 war and I'm only twelve years old. Today it's you know, ah, well, 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.520 but maybe by the time you're thirty figure it out. 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.240 You live at home till you're thirty. But after that, 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.040 we gotta draw a lot, we gotta draw a light 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:49.640 in fan Uh. It's an interesting, interesting paradox. So this 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.480 is in Italy, but of course it's going to have 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.640 repercussions here in the state. So regulators in Italy are 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:58.639 investigating Sephora and benefit and I know Sephora, but I 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.720 don't know what benefit is. Nonetheless, they're cosmetic companies, and 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.840 the abligation there is that they are doing something called 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:11.960 cosmeticaurexia cosmeticourexia, which is a cross between cosmetics and anorexia. 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.880 So wait, eyeliner makes you thin. No, no, no, no, no, 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.000 they're complaining. They complain is that they are targeting children 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:24.640 in their marketing by having influencers, literally young micro influencers 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:30.919 marketing products to young people to encourage them to use cosmetics. 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.159 And we're talking about kids under the age of ten, 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.919 under the age of ten for seerms and masks and 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.680 anti aging creams and all this stuff. And I've always 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:42.919 push back this as the confusion that men largely have 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.320 about women with your fascination with shoes. Although a lot 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.399 of guys like you know, dunks and stuff like that. 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:49.439 So all right, guys are the shoe thing, but the 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.840 makeup thing. I don't understand why it takes four hours 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.160 to put megabond, Like, what are you trying to cover up? 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:57.520 People have taken a lot less time to try and 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:00.040 cover up murders they've gotten away with than to what 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.280 your makeup on. Don't know why it takes that long 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.040 and the other consideration does it actually work? So if 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.440 you watch daytime TV at all, you're in a data 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.160 with commercials for all these new state of the art 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.320 beauty products that are going to make you look younger 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.040 and make you feel younger, and it's going to delay aging. 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.639 And I would say if that were successful, If that 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:23.520 were successful, we wouldn't need more new products, would we. 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:28.439 They're selling you something that basically doesn't work or make 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.719