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Speaker 1: us now via the Connectico Water Systems hoighline. Are you

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Speaker 1: Pointed to see them. Are you familiar with a song

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Speaker 2: that they would be left in a position where they

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Speaker 2: have someone that is an encouraging person to promote and

432
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Speaker 2: Dallas Turner, who finished the season very strongly last year.

433
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Speaker 2: But obviously pass rushers are a premium for the second

434
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Speaker 2: most important position in the game besides quarterback, and you

435
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: don't necessarily want to be in the business of partying

436
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: aays with guys who are at the point in their

437
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 2: careers that Jonathan Grenard is all right.

438
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Speaker 1: So I mean, I would say, again, we had stories

439
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: previously suggesting that a couple of salary cap casualties who

440
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: were likely to be Aaron Jones and who's the other one, Hargrave. Yeah,

441
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: and I think for most Vikings fans that sounded reasonable, right,

442
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: That's something was going to have to give. And obviously,

443
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, especially in the case of Jones, he's longer

444
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: in the tooth, he has difficulties staying healthy, et cetera,

445
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: and had a pretty sizable cap numbers, I recall it.

446
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: So I think people got the Okay, it happens, you

447
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: got to make adjustments and all that. But to me,

448
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: the message this conveys unless this is all a bluff

449
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: or maybe we end up with an unbelievable haul for Gernard.

450
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: To me, if I'm a Vikings fan, this troubles me

451
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: a little bit more, shouldn't it.

452
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it it's definitely troubling that there's a possibility

453
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Speaker 2: that one of your best players in his prime is

454
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Speaker 2: not going to be on the roster again. I guess

455
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: there's a little bit left to be ger in terms

456
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Speaker 2: of what the turn would be if they end up

457
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Speaker 2: trading him. But I do think this is this is

458
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: more than just the Vikings. You know, it's not simply

459
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: the Vikings drawing a hard line on their salary cap

460
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: issues or being cheap or not wanting to commit as

461
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Speaker 2: much cash as they did, even though they have committed

462
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Speaker 2: lots of cash over the past two years. I think

463
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Speaker 2: it's a two way street. And I think if you

464
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Speaker 2: look at if you look at the top ten pass rushers.

465
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Speaker 2: First of all, let's look, if you look at the

466
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Speaker 2: very top of the list of pass rushers, they're at

467
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: forty million dollars a year now, and that's that's Micah

468
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: Parsons with the Packers. And I'm not saying Jonathan Grenard

469
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Speaker 2: is Micah Parsons or should be compensated that way. But

470
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Speaker 2: even if you like look at the top ten, the

471
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Speaker 2: average of the top ten with Parsons in it is

472
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Speaker 2: like twenty seven million a year. And so then you

473
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Speaker 2: start getting a little closer to where Jonathan Granard is.

474
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you could make an argument he's potentially one

475
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Speaker 2: of the top ten pass rushers in the league, and

476
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Speaker 2: so whether he should bounce into that twenty plus a

477
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Speaker 2: year category or not is something to think. That's not

478
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Speaker 2: a completely unreasonable thing for him to be asking, And

479
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: if he were on the open market, I'm sure he

480
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: would get it. And so I do think it's a

481
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Speaker 2: two way street of a guy who's probably outperformed his

482
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Speaker 2: contract and a team that has limited options to address that.

483
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Speaker 2: And so, you know, Robert Zinski made the point last week,

484
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: you know, the salary cab is not a myth, and

485
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Speaker 2: you know, and I've always said, like, you can do

486
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Speaker 2: whatever your priorities are, but if your priority is anything

487
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: other than further hampering yourself down the road, then maybe

488
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: there's a point where you have to draw a line

489
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Speaker 2: with in a Grenard negotiations. And now I'm not saying

490
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Speaker 2: they've done that yet, Yeah, but I'm saying it's at

491
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Speaker 2: least possible that they're going to get to that point

492
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Speaker 2: if they're already amenable to a trip.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's I think where I think you Jackals have

494
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Speaker 1: misled us a little bit on the Vikings salary situation,

495
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Speaker 1: because again, what we kept hearing in the McCarthy era

496
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: as the JJ era got off the ground, at least

497
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Speaker 1: in theory, is this is the beauty of having to

498
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: spend very little money at the quarterback position when he's

499
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Speaker 1: on his rookie deal or his first deal, and when

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Speaker 1: it gives us opportunity to go out and do lots

501
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Speaker 1: of other things. I don't think any of you of

502
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: you told us well among the things that might come

503
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: back to haunt us when we get aggressive in other areas,

504
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: as we still, even with very little money invested in

505
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, we still aren't even sure we can

506
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Speaker 1: afford and in his prime player to continue to pay him, right,

507
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Speaker 1: I mean, that doesn't that doesn't sound very good to me.

508
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: But I don't look at it as well I would.

509
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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you can say can't afford they

510
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: can afford him at whatever salary he wants, but there

511
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: are different people making decisions now as well. Yeah, I've

512
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: always said what I say about the salary cap is

513
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: that it forces you to publicize your prime authorities. And

514
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: they could definitely sign Jonathan Grenardi right now for what

515
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: he's asking for. It would, but it would add to

516
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: the amount of money that they're going to have to

517
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: account for later. And so you have to you have

518
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: to manage the cap and and overall UH based on

519
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: your particular overall priorities. And I think that's what we're

520
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: seeing now, a little bit of a change potentially in

521
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: the priorities, given that there's a new general manager essentially

522
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: right now in Rob Brazenski, and whose background is in

523
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: Sour Gap, and who said last week that he viewed

524
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Speaker 2: it as his responsibility and I'm gonna write more about

525
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: this in the coming days, but he viewed it as

526
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Speaker 2: inherent his job and his responsibility to provide the guardrails

527
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Speaker 2: that keep you from getting off track in a long

528
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Speaker 2: term sense. And so I will not begin to tell

529
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Speaker 2: you that I anticipated it that a potential consequence of

530
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: of their salary cat management this offseason would lead them

531
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Speaker 2: partnering ways with Jonathan Gernard, And it still might not,

532
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: but it appears that that's the consequence of their establishment

533
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Speaker 2: of priorities in the post quasiadopha mensa world.

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Speaker 1: Can you reduce it to this, Are they did they

535
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Speaker 1: choose or are they choosing potentially because again he's not

536
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Speaker 1: off the team yet. Are they choosing Hockinson over Gernard?

537
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that, and I don't know that,

538
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: you know, I think that they're having talks with t J. Hockinson.

539
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: In every contract discussion is different, and every frankly, not

540
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: all of them become as public as the one we're

541
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: talking about now, and so I can't say for sure

542
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: that they've made that decision. I can't say for sure

543
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: that for fear, you know, for fear of this being aggregated.

544
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: I guess I can't say for sure that TJ. Hockinson

545
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: is going to be back on his current contract. He's

546
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: probably going to have to to do something as well,

547
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: and it's maybe it'll be easier for them to reach

548
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: that safe middle ground with him than it might be

549
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: with Grenard, or maybe it won't be. I don't know,

550
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: but I'm not saying they've chosen one or the other.

551
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: They have just to get under the cap, they have

552
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: to reduce forty by forty three million, and then they

553
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: have to reduce more to be able to do anything

554
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 2: in free agency and sign their draft picks. So you're

555
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 2: probably talking about needing to come up with fifty million

556
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: in cap space. And there's a lot of combinations that

557
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: they can do that with. And some of them will

558
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: be painless in terms of restructures, whether Brian O'Neil or

559
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson or some others, and some of them will

560
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: be more painful. And so but I would not reduce

561
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: it to they chose Hockinson over Gernard, because I can't

562
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Speaker 2: say for sure that that's the case with Hockinson right now.

563
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 1: Christian en rose Mound offers a Vikings conspiracy theory for you.

564
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: I think he wants to believe this. The question is

565
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: whether there's any reason to BELI is it possible The Vikings,

566
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: he writes, are looking to shed more salary and amassed

567
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: draft picks in an effort to obtain a truly established

568
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: quarterback allah Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow. Vikings Brass have

569
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: said multiple times they're looking at everything. They would certainly

570
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: need more draft capital and cap space to make this happen.

571
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: The Grenard news makes sense under this context. What do

572
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Speaker 1: you think?

573
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a couple of people ask me that

574
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: and suggest that, and I can't deny that if that

575
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: were the case that this would make some sense to

576
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: you'd have to part ways with some people that you

577
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: don't want to part ways with. But I just don't

578
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: and I know I've been the one quoting them saying

579
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: we're looking at all options. I just don't know that

580
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: any of those guys that they're talking about are available.

581
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: I don't think Joe Burrow is available. If Justin Herbert's available,

582
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: that would be news to me as well, and so

583
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: that would make sense as a way to do that.

584
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: But I don't know that that's an option for an

585
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: their case. And looking at all options are those two options.

586
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 2: I don't have any reporting to suggest that they.

587
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: Are all right. So the word breaks again via chefter.

588
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: Oh let me one other Grenard question you mentioned. You know,

589
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: sometimes this stuff gets public, sometimes it doesn't. When it

590
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: does get public, what does that tell you is that

591
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: an agent wanting it out? Is it a team in

592
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: this case, the Vikings wanting it out in terms of

593
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: seeing what what maybe we might be able to get

594
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Speaker 1: for him. How does it if it goes.

595
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: I don't know the case in this particular instance, but

596
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: it could be either. There's times when when there's you know,

597
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 2: an agent might want people to know. It's just one

598
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: of the most efficient ways to let other teams know

599
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 2: that somebody's available, and it could be sometimes the team

600
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: would put that out to let other teams know to

601
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: start making bids. But and I'm not sure which one

602
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: it is, but to me, like the one takeaway I

603
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: have is that when it does become public, I take

604
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: it seriously because it means it's bubbled up to the

605
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 2: point that they're not certainly not close on a deal,

606
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: and maybe one side is frustrated or one side has

607
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: realized that it's just not going to work out, And

608
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: so I take it seriously when it bubbles up to

609
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: that point because a lot of the preliminary stuff has probably.

610
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: Pasted us Kyler Murray. I guess now again schefter breaking

611
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: that next week it'll become official that Arizona is going

612
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: to release him, which I don't think is a very

613
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: big surprise at this point, given the amount of money

614
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: that they still owe him. They're ready to move on,

615
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: and presumably that means wherever else he goes, he's going

616
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: to be very reasonable in what his demands are. You

617
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: have him towards the top of the Vikings list of

618
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: individual quarterbacks who you know, at least qualify in that

619
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: we will be available, and has had some experience as

620
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: a starting quarterback in the National Football League. Do you

621
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: get any closer sense about how strongly the Vikings might

622
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: feel about him?

623
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Speaker 2: I think he I mean when I say at the

624
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: top of the list, like I'm saying, I think he's

625
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: he's at or near the top of their list. My

626
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: own personal list probably doesn't matter quite as much, but

627
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: I think I think it makes a lot of sense

628
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: from my perspective. But I think you know, when they're

629
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: they're looking at it, and they're looking at the possible options.

630
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: My understanding is that that is they consider that one

631
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,959
Speaker 2: of their one of their best options. Now he he'll

632
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: be a free agent, so he'll be able to make choices.

633
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 2: There's no trade here, so it's not like he has

634
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: to do, you know, go wherever the Cardinals send him. Yeah,

635
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: I look at it, and you know, just trying to

636
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: think through it from his perspective and from the Viking's perspective,

637
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: and you say, like, what are the reasons that it

638
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't happen? I mean, he they're probably objectively the best

639
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: landing spot for a quarterback given the personnel that they

640
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: have and and where they're at as a as a

641
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: sort of an over all franchised and you know, and

642
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: from their perspective, like if they want a certain as

643
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: rob Zinski said last week, a certain baseline of quarterback

644
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: play of the people we expect to be available, is

645
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Speaker 2: there anybody that we think is more likely than Kyler

646
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Speaker 2: Murray to provide them that. I mean, there's some others

647
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: who probably could, but who's the likeliest one, And so

648
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of reasons to think that they both

649
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: would be atop each other's lists. We'll see if that

650
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: becomes the case. But I certainly don't think they've ruled

651
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: them out, and I certainly don't think that they have

652
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: anybody like way ahead of them either, And so I

653
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: think it'll be very relevant to watch and see what

654
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: happens once he is officially on the market a week

655
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Speaker 2: from tomorrow. And I think there's other people that Dividens

656
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: think highly of as well, as you know Smith being

657
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Speaker 2: among them. But those are two very different cases in

658
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Speaker 2: my opinion, and I think in the Viking opinion as well,

659
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Speaker 2: and we will we will see how they move through

660
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Speaker 2: their priorities there.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Seaffert covers the Vikings National Football League for ESPN

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Speaker 1: and ESPN dot Com. Do we know or do we

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Speaker 1: assume that, given you know the amount of money Kyler's

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Speaker 1: got coming, and given his circumstance that a team is

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Speaker 1: releasing him, that he is going to be willing to

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Speaker 1: take a one year deal.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, I'm sure he'll see what offers

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Speaker 2: there are, But that might be in his best interest too,

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Speaker 2: because he's already going to be paid almost thirty seven

670
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Speaker 2: million this year by the Cardinals. That's locked in no

671
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: matter what else happens. And I guess if another team

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Speaker 2: is out there wanting to give him a multi year

673
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Speaker 2: deal with multi years of guarantees, he'd have to consider it.

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Speaker 2: But probably the best case scenario for him is to

675
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Speaker 2: go to a good team where he can be at

676
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Speaker 2: his best for one year and then hit the free

677
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: market or the or get extended by that particular team

678
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 2: at off of a much better performance and much better

679
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 2: situation than he's coming off of in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: And so I think the conventional wisdom is that that's

681
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: not a bad option for him, is to have a

682
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Speaker 2: one year deal and then you know, because you're already

683
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Speaker 2: protected financially, and then you go out and in your

684
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: mind have a great year, and then your your value

685
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: skyrockets for a year from now.

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Speaker 1: Are you in the group that believes that whatever smoke

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Speaker 1: that has been alleged regarding Vikings having some interest in

688
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, that there is no fire there, There is

689
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: no real smoke Jones. I think it's a fit. I

690
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: think the Colts it's either been reported or maybe they've

691
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: declared it. I don't know which, that they've signed him to.

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Speaker 1: That they're going to sign him to the transition tag,

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Speaker 1: which as I understand it means I think like thirty

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Speaker 1: seven and a half mil one year, and then they

695
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: can make you know, other teams can make an offer,

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Speaker 1: then they have a chance to match. Is there any

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Speaker 1: reason to think we would think that ambitiously or that

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Speaker 1: we might get into any of that.

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Speaker 2: I think they were I mean they first of all,

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Speaker 2: I think they were telling the truth when they said

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00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: that they're evaluating all options and not haven't ruled anything out,

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00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 2: and so that did include Daniel Jones. I think that

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00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 2: they viewed that option as something that would be interesting

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Speaker 2: if for some reason talks broke down and the Colts

705
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Speaker 2: decided not to put a tag on them, And so

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Speaker 2: then you say they see what the value is there.

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Speaker 2: Whether they're lurking in a way to sign offer Daniel

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Speaker 2: Jones something that he would sign and put the Colts

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Speaker 2: in position to match. I guess that would be surprising

710
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Speaker 2: to me, especially given how much you know, less money

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Speaker 2: they could commit to a Tyler Murray or the Geno

712
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: Smith or somebody else. Even if Aaron Rodgers were going

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Speaker 2: to be to come up again at some point, I

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Speaker 2: think they get him for less than what the transition

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Speaker 2: tag was, for sure, and so I I it seems

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Speaker 2: like a now that the tag is on, it seems

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Speaker 2: like it would be a very expensive commitment to make

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Speaker 2: that they're not looking to make at that position. And

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Speaker 2: the reward of Daniel Jones over some of the cheaper options,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they would. They'll think that those

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00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: are worth that extra value. And so, but up until

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Speaker 2: that point, I think everybody's connecting the Vikings with every

723
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Speaker 2: quarterback out there, in part because it makes sense, but

724
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Speaker 2: in part because they really are looking at at least

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Speaker 2: considering what the possibilities are with every option.

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Speaker 1: YEA, I would assume then then you're you're already in

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Speaker 1: salary cap hill, and then you've got another significant salary

728
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Speaker 1: issue you've added to it by spending that much money

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Speaker 1: at the quarterback position. Is Murray of the sort? We

730
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Speaker 1: may have covered this before, but now that it's more

731
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: concrete that he's going to at least be available, do

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Speaker 1: you have to guarant do you have to tell Murray

733
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Speaker 1: when you sign him that you are starting quarterback in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six?

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Speaker 2: I think so, you know, he might beat on the

736
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Speaker 2: mind that he could come in here and certainly beat

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Speaker 2: out JJ McCarthy. But I also think that if he's

738
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Speaker 2: going to be taking a one year deal and going

739
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Speaker 2: to a place to kind of rejuvenate his career, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's going to want the clearest path to the starting

741
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Speaker 2: to the field as possible. And so that's sort of

742
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Speaker 2: the central question I've been asking a off season is

743
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Speaker 2: would they be able to get the people that they

744
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: want without promising them a starting job? And in some

745
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 2: cases they probably could, But I would think that and frankly,

746
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: like like to me to sign Kyler Murray and try

747
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: to sell him as a competition for JJ McCarthy is

748
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 2: like not even like a credible public stance. You know,

749
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Speaker 2: I don't know what they would say if yeah, they

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00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: if yeah, but like even internally, like every player I

751
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: think would know what the what the deal is going

752
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 2: in and so and then if some if JJ out

753
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: performs him, then everybody will see it with their own

754
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: eyes and and that will change the calculus. But it's

755
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: hard for me, just from a just from a thirty

756
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: thousand foot view, to say that Kyler Murray comes in

757
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: here as competition for JJ McCarthy. And so whether they

758
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: have to explicitly say it or not to him like it,

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00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: it wouldn't it almost be assumed. I don't know. Maybe

760
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: I'm am I over estimating Kyler Murray's pedigree in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I think that he's started enough games and performed well

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00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: enough when he's been healthy that that that that it

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Speaker 2: would not seem to me to be conducive to an

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Speaker 2: open competition.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I dare say, you know, unless you get

766
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Speaker 1: lucky and literally no one else, you've got no competition

767
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: for him. I think that's part of the reason that

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00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: even if a Vike's would prefer not to commit to

769
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: that level, that you'd almost probably have no choice. I

770
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: know you're I know he's the quarterback whisper. I know

771
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: all that he's highly regarded in working with at least

772
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: most quarterbacks, with the notable exception so far JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: But does Kyler fit Koc's offense? Do we have any

774
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: reason to believe that the KOC would moderate or or

775
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, alter his his offense and his philosophy enough

776
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: to fit what Murray at his best might offer.

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Speaker 2: I you know, people made a lot about this, and

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00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: he hasn't really played in a lot of you know,

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00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: over his seven years. I don't know if maybe maybe

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00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: one or two years that he had was in a

781
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 2: offense and similar to at all to what Kevin O'Connor

782
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: would be asking him to do. But if you just

783
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: watch him, like he makes the kind of throws that

784
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: the Vikings want, you know, whether it's layer passes over

785
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: the middle or you know, off schedule passes when needed

786
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: outside the pocket, I don't think that they would be

787
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: wanting him to play hero ball as much as he

788
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 2: felt compelled to play in Arizona. I think he has

789
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: the arm and these arm talent and arm strength to

790
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: make all those throws. So I don't think that I

791
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: don't see that as being a roadblock. I don't see

792
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell needing to make like massive changes to his

793
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 2: offense to fit Kyler Murray. I think that Kyler Murray

794
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: has the skills to you know. I mean, this is

795
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 2: the guy who he was the number one overall pick,

796
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Speaker 2: and if he was six' three instead of whatever he

797
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: measured at the, combine, like he would have been considered

798
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Speaker 2: a legendary a draft, pick and it probably would, have you,

799
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 2: know made the perception of him a lot different over

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00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: the past few. Years BUT i do not think that

801
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 2: that's something that's a deal. Breaker AND i don't think

802
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: that he's going to have to massively change the what

803
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: he plays Or kevin O'Connell's gonna have to massively change

804
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 2: his his. Offense, now are there other guys who would

805
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: fit in more seamlessly to the things that they've done

806
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: With Gino smith fit more seamlessly into, it probably because

807
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: we've seen over the years him play in in that

808
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 2: kind of way a lot. More BUT i don't think

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00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: that it's that there's like a red flag that tells

810
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 2: me that the calibery's skill set doesn't fit What kevin

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Speaker 2: O'Connell wants quarterbacks to do thank you.

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Speaker 1: For your flexibility. Today we'll keep things are going to

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Speaker 1: heat up pretty quickly, here, RIGHT i mean we would

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Speaker 1: assume it already feels like.

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Speaker 2: They, Are like we're already at the point where like

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Speaker 2: we got everybody on notifications to make sure we're not missing.

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Speaker 1: Anything we'll keep you on speed. Dial thank, You okay,

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Speaker 1: There Kevin seafert EESP n dot. Com top of The

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Speaker 1: hour pause is coming up. Presently AS i, Mentioned louis

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Speaker 1: is going to join us to talk puck at who

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Speaker 1: knows what else at four point Thirty fox nine intrepid

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Speaker 1: Reporter Paul bloom covering some interesting breaking news today at

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Speaker 1: the courthouse he is scheduled for five thirty this, evening

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Speaker 1: and lots of other controversial subjects for us to. Explore

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