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Speaker 1: Oh good, what's that fool doing? I don't know football.

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Speaker 2: The Soldier field is silenced. You could hear a snowflake

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Speaker 2: kiss the crossbar.

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Speaker 1: Have the silence you hear is lambeau Field nine to noon,

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Speaker 1: Bob personal foul clipping. This an old fashioned ass kicking

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Speaker 1: right here and that's a fact. Kiss rushing time for

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Speaker 1: two more big boys back.

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Speaker 2: Right, signs of Zukie trying to get a round start

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Speaker 2: he did, Suzuki, I'm off near the goal line by Karasankos,

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Speaker 2: with Loma back up Tom for Hudson once more.

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Speaker 1: Suzukie on the pop up lay papers Field fifteen second

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Speaker 1: tap that put Montreal in fiance George in the paint.

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Speaker 3: Hanks Bailey rises rooted in the DMPEX ricage.

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Speaker 1: But back. That's still good. Jazz still with it.

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Speaker 3: George thirty mill Tarter his career night continues, forty three

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Speaker 3: shads now leading by five. Fiance George will dribble this

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Speaker 3: out for the second time this season. The Timberwolves have

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Speaker 3: lost three consecutive games. Friday in Houston, Saturday at San Antonio,

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Speaker 3: Tonight into Utah. A forty three point fourth quarter for

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Speaker 3: the Utah Jazz.

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Speaker 1: They rally from fifty down to win it.

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Speaker 2: Cool night on the local sports landscape. Last evening mister

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Speaker 2: Medved's team ll Benchi l Heinze Hell and now it's

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Speaker 2: knowing Helle.

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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: This is nine to noon Paul Allen, mad producer by

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Speaker 2: my side, Parker Fox, by our side at Parker Fox

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Speaker 2: two four via the tweet machine follow if you are

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Speaker 2: so inclined. Twins manager Derek Shelton will be in this

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Speaker 2: studio today at eleven o'clock. Mister p Fox, are you're

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Speaker 2: going to come back from First Resource Bank Minneapolis and

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Speaker 2: get a selfie for your insta with the manager?

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Speaker 1: I need one.

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Speaker 4: I heard he's an excellent guy, so I'm excited for

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Speaker 4: the ability to listen to that and to see the

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Speaker 4: direction that Twin's going.

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Speaker 1: Now, you know, notice how you stopped there.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for the season, okay, and then you stopped

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Speaker 2: because you're MoU to meat. I raised very respectful young man.

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Speaker 2: You're not really excited for the season. You're excited for

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Speaker 2: the opportunity for mister Shelton. You're excited for the gregarious

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Speaker 2: nature of said manager. Nine to noon today at eleven o'clock,

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Speaker 2: and you're excited for whatever deals you're surge me is

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Speaker 2: gonna cut with mister Shelton because he's a bourbon connoisseur

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Speaker 2: and I happen to have three bottles of aged Woodford Reserve.

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Speaker 2: Oh from the Kentucky Derby. Hello from like one from

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Speaker 2: a Derby gone by twenty three years ago, and like

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Speaker 2: a deal for some Champions Club seats and I ain't

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Speaker 2: going by myself, So you're excited for that?

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Speaker 4: All right, I'm throwing a bottle of Yamasaki twelve year

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Speaker 4: and we'll call it today.

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Speaker 1: I'm Asaki. Watch your language in front of the ladies punk.

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Speaker 1: Come on? Do I need to bump that? Do I

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Speaker 1: need to dump that comment there?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I'm Asaki twelve ye SOFTI doesn't join until tomorrow. It's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yea, I'm a Suckia twelve yea, I'm a suckys

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Speaker 4: Well they have an eighteen year as well, but the

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Speaker 1: What happened to your GPS on overtime last night in Columbus?

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Speaker 1: And good morning? Yeah, good morning, fun game? You take

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Speaker 4: We took Ohio State to double overtime last year and

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Speaker 4: unfortunately lost. They just didn't have the depth on the stretch.

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Speaker 4: We've talked about it on this show. They only play

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Speaker 4: seven guys, they'd prefer to play five guys, and Kate

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Speaker 4: Tyson fouls out and overtime, and when that happens, you

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Speaker 4: just don't have the offensive process that you wish you

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Speaker 4: If you can win the possession battles, limit the turnovers,

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Speaker 2: We we and the Love Covenant the nine to noon

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Speaker 4: You got number seven Nebraska coming into your homes, Freddy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And they wish you'd done that before Perry's transferred.

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Speaker 1: Is that where he went? No where to go, Koy Perrich.

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Speaker 4: Throughout a season, it only gets tougher and tougher. So

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Speaker 4: you gotta find ways to protect home court. That's something

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Speaker 4: I've always preached throughout my time. If you can protect

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Speaker 4: Tough losses, tight losses, you're at least in the game.

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Speaker 4: I know there's no moral victory, but you got to

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Speaker 2: Freddie Hoiberg and his seventh throwing Huskers like you said

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Speaker 4: sindor Yeah, exactly right, talk of the AAU circuit exelt.

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Speaker 4: But no, they just have awesome pieces. And you know Hoiberg,

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Speaker 4: he's been here in Minnesota. He's famous around these parts.

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Speaker 4: He's an excellent coach. We were talking about this morning.

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Speaker 4: Not a lot of success. Seven wins in his first season,

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Speaker 4: it's his son Sam, Yeah, the senior who has come

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Speaker 1: He's playing for his dad.

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Speaker 2: The Hoiberg single handedly ruined my son Derek Allen's youthful

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Speaker 1: And I think he ended up in Michigan State. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Derek, you know, we're fourth fifth gradeish, we're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Jackson played at Michigan State, right he did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was migrade as well, so we would play

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Speaker 1: He's a pest. He's one of those guys.

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Speaker 4: Where you just hate playing and Sam because every pass

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Speaker 4: He's been calling the Husker women's basketball games as the

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Speaker 4: he's doing all his school work and nonetheless, but in

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Speaker 1: What do you think it would be like playing for

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Speaker 1: Right, He's still your dad.

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Speaker 4: But I think to your teammates, you have to kind

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Speaker 1: Now, I never got to experience.

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Speaker 4: It'd be fun to kind of hear the perspective of

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Speaker 4: I think he's got to be your coach on the court,

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Speaker 4: of flip that switch. Like I said, But in terms

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Speaker 2: So Fred had arranged for through media relations for Spearfish

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they lost one twenty two eighty three. Oh in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. And like Kawhi didn't play. I

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Speaker 5: Yeah it was. It was a bad night for Freddy.

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Speaker 1: Wow. How you doing all right? Man?

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Speaker 2: Well, anyway, appreciates the tickets and everything. We were in

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Speaker 2: We saw professional dead man sitting Yeah, tough, uncomfortable.

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Speaker 5: So you may have watched the game where is it still? Rhinsdorff?

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Speaker 5: Is it still? What is it?

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Speaker 5: I forget the name of the decision makers with the bills,

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Speaker 1: Which is awful?

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Speaker 5: By the way, because he's going to work with I mean,

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Speaker 2: Breddy Hoiberg one of the kind. Just ever, don't leave

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Speaker 2: Lavelle Neil the Third texting nor do and I bad

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Speaker 2: loss for Wolfs?

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Speaker 1: I do?

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Speaker 4: I think if you want to be a championship caliber team,

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: So you can look on this on paper and say,

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Speaker 4: to finish it off. That's okay, we'll go back home

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Speaker 4: and we'll win these next two and you'll find a solution.

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Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, you're going into

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Speaker 4: Utah a team that you should beat by fifteen to

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Speaker 1: Incorrect, You don't agree with that?

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Speaker 2: Huh No, No, not, I mean because NBA is not

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, anybody can beat anybody. I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: that you should lose the game. And they were twelve

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Speaker 2: But as we discussed yesterday with Chris Finch, Keyante George

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Speaker 2: nobody talks about him. Why because he's mired with charts

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Speaker 2: this man Ace Bailey skilled?

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Speaker 2: Way, when a'st Bailey, like, I don't know how old

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Speaker 2: I mean he's rail thin. First time I've really watched

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Speaker 4: Yeah, played against him lastyear at Rutgers. I was sharing

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Speaker 1: So I was like, Oh, it's gonna be it's gonna.

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Speaker 3: Be a long night.

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Speaker 2: Guarded players do yeah, exactly. Walter Clayton, you can't find

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Speaker 1: And no he is he he was non existent, played

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Speaker 4: But I love the wheel what you're saying, and I

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Speaker 1: We can steal one here. And I think you're right.

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Speaker 4: You look at a guy in Keyante George, you wouldn't

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Speaker 4: NBA closely.

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Speaker 1: He's eighteenth in the NBA scoring.

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Speaker 2: He gets to the line a million times a game

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Speaker 2: he is, which is the separator.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly right.

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Speaker 5: Wouldn't you be kind of frustrated though, on a night

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Speaker 5: where it's like, okay, Keyante young budding he had I

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Speaker 1: Thee Mahollick, who knew, come on, it's.

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Speaker 4: My guy, Makay Luke's Yeah, we were at the same

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Speaker 5: Like, I mean, you can't have everybody go off? So

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Speaker 5: it's like, I get where you're where you're going with this.

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Speaker 5: Totally agreed in some respects, but it's like you lose

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Speaker 5: three in a row. This was the slumpbuster after the tough,

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Speaker 1: Everybody with a pulse.

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Speaker 5: On that team went off last night, it felt like

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Speaker 2: That was that was ugly, not arguing Utah has I

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Speaker 2: well the one he missed was at Utah and they

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Speaker 1: So hopefully this one doesn't come back to bite them

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Pea Fox.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you just look at the bench production too, and

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Speaker 1: If you ever heard of it?

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Speaker 4: Come on, that's a Cody Williams is out of Colorado

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Speaker 1: I loved his minutes.

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Speaker 4: He was probably a little bit more excited playing his

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Speaker 4: I just didn't love the effort. I watched the whole game.

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Speaker 4: I just didn't love the effort from start to finish.

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Speaker 4: You gave up one twenty seven. That's not that's just

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Speaker 1: What a game. But I watched him, I mean the defense.

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Speaker 2: In the fourth quarter, they gave up forty three points

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Speaker 2: like they weren't getting in front of people. And I

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Speaker 2: mean Nurkic sixteen points, eighteen rebounds, ten assists. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: he channeled his inner joker last night. But Nurkic is gifted, yes,

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Speaker 2: and he's the rebounder right right, but he's not you know,

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Speaker 2: he's a veteran, but he's not like super old. Near

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Speaker 2: the end of his career, he's had injuries and stuff.

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Speaker 2: But Nurkic, I believe, was with the Denver Nuggets and

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Speaker 2: then they drafted Joker and they're like, hey, these guys

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Speaker 2: play the same. So the Nurkics, they they moved him

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Speaker 2: off to Portland.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Then he was like battling injuries and everything, so, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and then the Suns and then he was with Charlotte.

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Speaker 5: He's kind of become just kind of big guy gun

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Speaker 5: for higher part of his career.

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Speaker 2: Now, the New York Knickerbockers have lost I think nine

455
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Speaker 2: of eleven. Yeah, and reports are they've become bored with

456
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Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Towns.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe they want to trade him now, those

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Speaker 1: are reports.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a lot of them, got a lot

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Speaker 2: of sources, you know, sources here, sources there. It's like

461
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Speaker 2: nobody's like. An associate to owner Jane Dolan has confirmed

462
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Speaker 2: to the New York Post that Karl Anthony Towns is

463
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Speaker 2: tradable and Memphis and Orlando, and a bunch of other

464
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Speaker 2: teams are calling. Man, they get when things are bad

465
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Speaker 2: with like I mean, I guess it's all the New

466
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Speaker 2: York pro teams, maybe all the college teams. Man, it

467
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Speaker 2: gets loud in New York when things go the wrong

468
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Speaker 2: way with the Knicks and the Giants and the Yankees.

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Speaker 4: Damn, welcome to the spotlight, right, welcome to Welcome to

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Speaker 4: the moment.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the spotlight, young man. Exactly right.

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Speaker 4: But the Knicks have been so terrible defensively, Pa, They've

473
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Speaker 4: been one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA

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Speaker 4: over that stretch.

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Speaker 2: And you know, TIBs, you know this. Why did they

476
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Speaker 2: get bored of tips? I don't understand how the conference finals.

477
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Speaker 2: I don't understand that one either. It doesn't make sense

478
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Speaker 2: to me what they're doing in New York.

479
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Speaker 4: And now you look at you're finding a scapegoat, right,

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Speaker 4: And if that happens to be Carlon Towns, it happens

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Speaker 4: to be somebody. But this is the this is the

482
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Speaker 4: life we live in here where the spotlight's extra bright

483
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Speaker 4: in New York, and you gotta find somebody to put

484
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Speaker 4: the black and granted, yeah, Carl hasn't been the player

485
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Speaker 4: that he needs to be for this team.

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Speaker 2: Jalen Brunston last year he was, Oh, he was excellent

487
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Speaker 2: last year. Bomb last year he was Actually everybody's like,

488
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Speaker 2: we got done on the trade. Yeah, nah, we won

489
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Speaker 2: that trade. I agree Randall for half the price Evincenzo,

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Speaker 2: and I think we got a first out of it too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: That there has to be somebody to blame it. And

493
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Speaker 4: they're putting it on Carl, which is too bad. But

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Speaker 4: ain't putting it on Brunson. No, put it on Buns.

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Speaker 2: And Jalen Brunson is a dog show father, Rick and

496
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Speaker 2: assistant on the staff would whoop anybody's ass anytime. That right,

497
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Speaker 2: Rick Brunson man when he played, he was tough. This

498
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Speaker 2: is self destruction though.

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Speaker 5: I mean whether you guys were just talking about Hoiberg

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Speaker 5: and you mentioned Parker, you said he he started out.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was abysmal right in Nebraska, but.

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Speaker 5: With patience and time and growth, now he's finding his

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Speaker 5: squad as a top ten operation. Now pro sports we

504
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Speaker 5: have less patients. We just saw ten coaches fired or

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Speaker 5: ten openings, I should say. And you hit it, Pa,

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Speaker 5: I think it was you that said like forty six coaches,

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Speaker 5: or that there was something just the turnover when it

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Speaker 5: comes to coaches and regimes, the lack of patients. If

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Speaker 5: they were going to shop Carl, I would have thought

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Speaker 5: Tibbs would have gotten board with them, you know what

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Speaker 5: I mean, where there would have been some sort of outburst.

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Speaker 5: There's the emotional superstar versus the gruff head coach. Tibbs

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Speaker 5: loved him, Tibbs figured out how to use him at

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Speaker 5: a high level. They've gone they went to the playoffs

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Speaker 5: I think four out of the five years that Tibbs

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Speaker 5: was there. To now have him as the scapegoat is

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Speaker 5: ridiculous and it's only going to set the Knicks back.

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Speaker 5: I mean, as hungry as they are for a title,

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Speaker 5: the lack of patients is going to prove to be

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Speaker 5: disastrous for him.

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Speaker 4: It's almost mind boggling to think this is a team

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Speaker 4: that won the NBA Cup about a month ago, a

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Speaker 4: month and a half ago.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's the problem. It could be put all their

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Speaker 2: energy into winning the wrong championship.

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Speaker 4: Cop and they've won two of their last eleven and

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Speaker 4: they go, yeah, right, they were fired out to win.

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Speaker 1: They've been diseased. You're exactly right.

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Speaker 4: I think they might have just been too excited to

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Speaker 4: finally win something in New York.

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Speaker 5: But they hang that banner next two years. That's problem

532
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Speaker 5: the issue. They got a little too excited about it.

533
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's what the players meeting was. Jalen Brunts

534
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 5: was like, we're taking that banner down. We can't have

535
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Speaker 5: this thing hanging up here. But it's been interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I messed up the clock already.

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Speaker 2: Give me your best fifteen seconds on Patriots at Denver.

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Speaker 1: Who wins? And why? Yep?

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Speaker 4: At Patriots it's easy to meet. Quarterback plays the most

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Speaker 4: important thing in the play season. It's an easy win

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Speaker 4: for the Patriots. I think they win by two scores.

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Speaker 4: Nice Yep, Rams and Seahawks. Rams are my pick from

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Speaker 4: the jump. I so you like both the road teams.

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Speaker 4: I like the most important game of the year. I

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Speaker 4: like both the road teams. That was the hard one

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Speaker 4: for me. Two close games in the regular season, one

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Speaker 4: point victory and a two point victory. But I picked

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Speaker 4: the Rams from the jump and I got I got

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Speaker 4: the Rams winning at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, understandable in a game.

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Speaker 2: Where home field advantage means so much. He's taking the

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Speaker 2: road teams will be damned. Come on, when do you

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Speaker 2: like it? When do you leave for Milan? Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: don't leave.

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Speaker 4: Taylor leaves next Thursday, and I don't leave till February ninth.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we got some time together.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 2: All right, so let's see two.

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Speaker 1: Three, four.

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Speaker 2: So it's like four five or six o'clock in Milan

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Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, yeah, which means you're gonna be getting

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Speaker 2: some calls from nine to now. Come on, man, are

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Speaker 2: you going to go to the to the USA Men's

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Speaker 2: Hockey Games?

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Speaker 1: Also? Yeah, we're working They're a little expensive, so we're

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Speaker 1: working out roll.

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Speaker 2: Your fiance is going to steal the show in worldly

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Speaker 2: fashion in the Olympics for the Red, White, and Blue.

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Speaker 2: We hope you should be able to get a couple

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Speaker 2: in the upper deck.

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Speaker 1: I know that's what I'm hopeing too. I can we

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Speaker 1: get some cop tickets here? About that up?

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Speaker 4: Jack Eichel, No, I'm hoping to get over to some events.

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Speaker 4: It's all dispersed throughout Italy, so it's gonna be tough

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Speaker 4: to like do the skiing and stuff.

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna be in my hockey mode, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So so let's do some Covenant check ins from Milan.

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Speaker 1: If you get the opportunity with all right.

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Speaker 2: All right, have a good day, brother, I'll love you,

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Speaker 2: New England Patriots, joins thirty minutes from now and New

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, down the street is the Regressive Boat Show.

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Speaker 2: There they have displays of the Titanic and the boat

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Speaker 1: I always love that one at the Regressive Boat Show.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to hit two things over the next few

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Speaker 5: minutes here, Vike spits. I'm going to hit the purple

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Speaker 5: momentarily with Derek Sheldon, new Twins manager. He's going to

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Speaker 5: be in studio at eleven. I would love to potentially

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Speaker 5: get a few talkbacks from listeners. Twins fans, baseball fans

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Speaker 5: season around the corner, good times, bad times. We get

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Speaker 5: all of that, but the opportunity for me maybe to

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Speaker 5: fire off some talkbacks from you, the listener as he

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Speaker 5: jumps in studio at eleven, big questions for the new manager.

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Speaker 1: Well, free iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 5: Shello eleven quite possible.

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Speaker 1: Rethought it a little bit after a saying of the

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Speaker 1: set list.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I should have asked you before I said that

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Speaker 2: that's okay. That technically comes back to my bad speaking

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Speaker 2: of talkbacks. About forty five minutes from now, we have

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Speaker 2: a Hodgepodge ten twenty. I do want to put this

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Speaker 2: in front of people right now, and with the free

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Speaker 2: iHeart Audio app, you can leave that talkback. You know

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Speaker 2: how to do it, and we'll set them up like

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Speaker 2: this with the Minnesota Twins and the Timberwolves. Yeah, how

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Speaker 2: close excuse me the wild in the Timberwolves? How close

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Speaker 2: are the wild being considered a legit Stanley Cup candidate?

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Speaker 2: And how tough was that Wolves game for you last night?

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Speaker 2: How good are the wild? And what do you like

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Speaker 2: or loathe about the timber Wolves? I have reasons for

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Speaker 2: putting one of these talkbacks in there and we will

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Speaker 2: share those in the ten o'clock hour.

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Speaker 5: Well, I totally dig all that. Let me hit you

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Speaker 5: with this, Derante Jones. It's been hoarded that the Packers

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Speaker 5: have requested a chance.

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Speaker 1: To interview Dorante.

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Speaker 5: That's nice, say it ain't so, and that's kind of

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Speaker 5: We're gonna go down the line.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna hear more.

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Speaker 5: Inside steam and in bits and opinning, opinions and opining

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Speaker 5: from Florio around the corner. But that's a nugget there,

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Speaker 5: Deronte Jones potentially interviewing for the Packers defensive.

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Speaker 1: Coordinator spot Floraz.

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Speaker 5: Brian Flores did his interview with the Steelers yesterday. They

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Speaker 5: announced the completion of it as is in vogue. Now

656
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Speaker 5: there's a social media post, so they get schefter to

657
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Speaker 5: say our interview with Brian Flores has been completed. Interesting though,

658
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Speaker 5: as Mike McCarthy, former Packers coach former Cowboys coach, has

659
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Speaker 5: a meeting with them today, so maybe that's something to watch.

660
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Speaker 5: And I've also maybe this is a question. That's that's

661
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 5: the thing is Don's grandson, Chremuler. He's not just the

662
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Speaker 5: Rams defensive coordinator, but well known McVey Tree acolyte as

663
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Speaker 5: he is, he is heavily favored to be the next

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Speaker 5: coach for the Steelers or the Steelers, So that may

665
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Speaker 5: be means Flores is going to be back in Purple,

666
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Speaker 5: and we'd love to have him. No charges being filed

667
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 5: against Jordan Addison that misdemeanor trespassing bit at the hard Rock.

668
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 5: He was asked to leave, he didn't, He got arrested,

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Speaker 5: but the state attorney not following through with charges in

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Speaker 5: Addison's own lawyer maybe moving forward with a civil suit

671
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Speaker 5: alleging of false arrest.

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Speaker 1: So I guess watch that.

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Speaker 5: I did have some Kyle Rudolph audio that we don't

674
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Speaker 5: have time to play now.

675
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Speaker 1: I might hit that later on in the ten What's

676
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Speaker 1: Up with Rudolph?

677
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 5: Al Rudy was on up and at it with Kay Adams,

678
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Speaker 5: and he was just kind of giving his perspective on

679
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Speaker 5: maybe where the Purple aired in twenty twenty five as

680
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 5: it relates to the QB spot and moving forward. He

681
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Speaker 5: even offered up a name of somebody maybe that comes

682
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Speaker 5: in and elevates that QB.

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Speaker 1: Room in twenty six.

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Speaker 2: We have to have that at ten twenty I had

685
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Speaker 2: no idea that took place.

686
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I could throw that in there, absolutely so. But

687
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Speaker 5: other than that, that's some vikes bites. Raheem Morris being

688
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 5: bandied about as a name. Maybe we talk about that

689
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Speaker 5: at ten twenty. There's some actions, the six degrees of

690
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 5: ko and McVay, etc.

691
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh hired Mike McDaniel. That's not a bad hire

692
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Speaker 2: for the chargeow, that's not a bad hire at all.

693
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Speaker 2: And we'll continue this conversation throughout nine to.

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Speaker 1: The pft A. You know we is next.

695
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Speaker 2: Mike Florio is the creator of Profootballtalk dot com, our

696
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Speaker 2: favorite pro football website, profootballtalk dot com. He's also part

697
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Speaker 2: of NBC's Football Night in America and author of a

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Speaker 2: book called Big Shield, Big Shield, a book about pro

699
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Speaker 2: football and gambling. And Mike Florio joins us. Now, speaking

700
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Speaker 2: of gambling, how about that point shaving bit that emerged

701
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Speaker 2: in college basketball? Prosecutors and this is a little old,

702
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: but we haven't chatted with you since, and you're smart

703
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: about this stuff. Prosecutors allege the scheme targeted more than

704
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Speaker 2: twenty nine games, involved more than thirty nine players across

705
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Speaker 2: at least seventeen NCAA Division One programs, expanded from overseas

706
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Speaker 2: professional leagues into US college basketball as recently as January

707
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Federal authorities say the FBI's investigation uncovered

708
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Speaker 2: text messages, social media, direct messages, FaceTime calls, and travel arrangements,

709
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Speaker 2: leaving a substantial digital trail. Good morning, Mike, And what

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Speaker 2: do you think about all that?

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Speaker 6: I'm not surprised by any of it, Paul. Every time

712
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Speaker 6: we hear about one of these scandals, I think to myself,

713
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Speaker 6: Number one, when's the next one? And number two, how

714
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Speaker 6: many are out there that we're never going to find

715
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Speaker 6: out about. With so many of the ones that happen

716
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 6: when there's an attempt to rig prop bets, we only

717
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 6: know about it because the people who have the inside

718
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Speaker 6: information decide to be pigs at the trough and they

719
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 6: engage in betting activities that set up alarms within the sportsbooks.

720
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Speaker 6: If you just don't go crazy with that information, if

721
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Speaker 6: you decide to take it slowly with a stream of

722
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Speaker 6: inside information over time, no one's even going to detect it.

723
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Speaker 6: So I just think that these isolated incidents are evidence

724
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Speaker 6: that it's much more widespread than maybe we know, and

725
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 6: we'll find out in specific examples here or there. It's

726
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 6: also normalized now that's really the key. Beyond legalized and

727
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 6: clearly monetized by the NFL and other sports leagues, it's normalized.

728
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 6: People are seeing these ads everywhere. They're on TV. They're

729
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Speaker 6: masquerading as content in pregame shows, and so the players

730
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Speaker 6: much more easily justify crossing the tracks and engaging in

731
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Speaker 6: things that give them a little piece of the action too.

732
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Speaker 6: It's just easier to justify it because everybody's betting, and

733
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Speaker 6: the sports books are making billions of dollars off of

734
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Speaker 6: the bets that lose. My dad told me, my dad

735
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 6: the bookie back in the seventies, you can't win. There's

736
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Speaker 6: a book that came out yesterday, Everyone Loses. I'm going

737
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 6: to read it. It's about the whole sports betting phenomenon.

738
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Speaker 6: It's rigged against the betters. This isn't the stock market

739
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 6: where a rising tide lists all boats. Your money goes

740
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Speaker 6: into their pockets. They have billions because they've taken it

741
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 6: from you through all the ways that the system is

742
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 6: set up and all the little ways that's rigged. A

743
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Speaker 6: dollar at a time becomes billions for the sports books,

744
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Speaker 6: and billions that the individuals lose, and I think it's

745
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Speaker 6: very easy for players to now justify doing things that

746
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 6: used to be very, very very rare because they see

747
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 6: it everywhere. It's just part of the fabric of their

748
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Speaker 6: existence now. So that's my take on it, and I

749
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Speaker 6: expect more of these issues to come, and eventually there

750
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Speaker 6: will be one that is big enough that sparks a

751
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Speaker 6: massive change and a phony cry by the NFL that

752
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Speaker 6: we had no idea this could happen.

753
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Speaker 2: Dude, do you think it's tougher to fix games in

754
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Speaker 2: a digital age because of the digital trail and things

755
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Speaker 2: like that, Well.

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Speaker 6: I think it's always tough to fix outcomes of games.

757
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 6: The more players on the field, the more people involved.

758
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Speaker 6: You know, you do a boxing match, you got one

759
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 6: person you have to get to. You do a basketball game,

760
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 6: you got five. You do a football game, you got

761
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 6: twenty two and the coaching staff and the officials. So

762
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Speaker 6: rigging a game, I think is a real challenge. The

763
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Speaker 6: prop bets, the crack cocaine, to the sports betting industry,

764
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Speaker 6: those are the things that need to go away. And

765
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Speaker 6: you know, people who are bought and paid for by

766
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 6: the sportsbooks get mad when I say that and they say, oh,

767
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 6: you pick games. Yeah, we're picking games for fun. And

768
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 6: I tell you, I tell them all the time, don't

769
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Speaker 6: listen to me. Don't listen to me if you're going

770
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 6: to go wager your hard earned money. Those prop bets

771
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Speaker 6: allow the gambling types, and this is part of the

772
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Speaker 6: storyline of Big Shield to get to specific players and

773
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Speaker 6: either get information from them or get them to participate

774
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Speaker 6: in these situations where somebody is suddenly going to be

775
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Speaker 6: injured and exit a game and the under on their

776
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 6: prop bets is going to hit. So yeah, yeah, look,

777
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 6: there will be a treasure trove of digital evidence if

778
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 6: somebody actually investigates. First, you got to know there's a problem.

779
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 6: And that gets back to my point. Only when someone

780
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 6: who has that information overdoes it in their betting that

781
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 6: it sends up red flags within the sports books and

782
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 6: they start investigating. That's when they work backward. I suspect

783
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 6: there's plenty of digital evidence out there if somebody was

784
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 6: actually looking in the right places and looking at the

785
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 6: right people. But there's an entire universe of athletes and

786
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 6: programs and coaches, and where do you even start. You're fishing.

787
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 6: So the first indication that there are fish in the pond.

788
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 6: Is when someone overdoes it with their betting and someone

789
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Speaker 6: at draftking support of the fan duel wherever, they're like,

790
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 6: oh wait, we got a problem here because all of

791
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 6: a sudden there's a crapload of money coming in on

792
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 6: on this guy's under.

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Speaker 2: Tonight, right or like and I read this relatively closely,

794
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: but it was a week ago. Greed brought this group down, right.

795
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: I mean when you start, you know, when you start

796
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: betting fifty dimes on South Carolina State and Kennesas State games,

797
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: I mean, who doesn't think that's going to be on

798
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: somebody's radar?

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Speaker 6: Well exactly, and that's when they start looking. So, you know,

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00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 6: you scratch an itch, so the itch has to pop up,

801
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 6: and I think the reality is a ration all over

802
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 6: the body of the entire sports industry, but they only

803
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 6: scratch at the spots where that itch is the most

804
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 6: pronounced by somebody doing something that causes someone to say, hey,

805
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 6: something weird is going on.

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Speaker 2: Here, Hey it's and lastly here, I mean it's the

807
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,479
Speaker 2: easy way out which a majority of people will take.

808
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: And so maybe these players thought it would be easy

809
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: money and obviously thought they'd never be caught. I wonder

810
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: if the Purps were frustrated they didn't get nil money

811
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Speaker 2: and others on the team, did you know what I mean?

812
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: I just wonder if there's a name, image and likeness

813
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: money that like factors into what about me?

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm going to do this.

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Speaker 6: I think that's a great point, beyond the fact that

816
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 6: the gambling is now so normalized and everybody is getting paid.

817
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 6: The schools have their sponsorship deals, the leagues have their

818
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 6: sponsorship deals, the sports books are making money hand over fist.

819
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Speaker 6: Now on top of it, the star players have their

820
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Speaker 6: nil deals. I'm going to get mine. John Tay Porter's

821
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 6: brother explained at some point last year on a podcast

822
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 6: appearance that it's so easy for a guy, you know,

823
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 6: the one guy out of a group of friends who

824
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 6: strikes it rich by becoming a professional athlete, and his

825
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 6: group of friends didn't have those same skills, and hey,

826
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Speaker 6: I can throw them a bone, I can give them

827
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 6: a little here, I can tell them a little something

828
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Speaker 6: and they can go make some money, no harm done,

829
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Speaker 6: no victims involved. That's part of it too. And I

830
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 6: just think that what was overlooked in this whole wild

831
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 6: West approach to legalizing gambling and having these ads everywhere

832
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 6: everywhere we look, and an whole generation of kids growing

833
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 6: up where it's as normal as anything else. It's going

834
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 6: to create incentives, and it's going to create temptations, and

835
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Speaker 6: it's going to make it easier for people to say,

836
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Speaker 6: you know what, I'm going to go get mine and

837
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Speaker 6: I'm not going to feel bad about it, because everybody's

838
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 6: getting there is one way or another.

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Speaker 2: Championship game weekend, games weekend in the NFL AFC. Does

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Speaker 2: winning the next two solidify Sean Payton's place in the

841
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 6: I think so because look without a second Super Bowl win,

843
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 6: and specifically without becoming the first coach to ever win

844
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 6: Super Bowls with two different franchises, and no one has

845
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 6: ever done that. You've had guys like Parcels who've won

846
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 6: one and gotten back, but no one's ever taken two

847
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 6: different teams to a Super Bowl championship. The guy who

848
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 6: does that is the guy who breaks through the current

849
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Speaker 6: Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan. There's a logjam of coaches that

850
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 6: can't get in, and they're always changing the rules and

851
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 6: the voting thresholds, and it's one of the reasons why

852
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 6: I'm very frustrated with the whole Hall of Fame process.

853
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 6: They change the rules all the time. Consistency isn't there.

854
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 6: It's going to be hard for a coach who retires

855
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 6: with one Super Bowl win to get past all the

856
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 6: other guys that are still stuck there, whether they have

857
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 6: one or where they have two, like Mike Shanahan. So

858
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 6: you get too with different teams. That's what puts you

859
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 6: in that Belichick category, not that it's the same. The

860
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 6: Belichick's a no brainer. He's going to jump past everyone

861
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 6: else who's waiting in line, who maybe already should be in.

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00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 6: That's the kind of thing that's going to get Peyton in.

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00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: So how does one win this one with Jared Skidham

864
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: at the Helm.

865
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Speaker 6: Well, I don't think it's impossible. He's been in the

866
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 6: program for three years. Sean Payton believes in him, and

867
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 6: now Sean Payton has the card to play with his

868
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 6: players all week long. Nobody believes in us. Look at

869
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Speaker 6: everything we've accomplished. No one thinks that this is a

870
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 6: twenty two man starting roster. They think it all rose

871
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 6: and fell with bon Nix. I mean, think about that,

872
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 6: bon Nix was viewed as a liability to the team.

873
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 6: You know that he's not yet where he's going to be.

874
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 6: He could maybe become Drew Brees at some point, but

875
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 6: it's not like he's out there slinging missiles all over

876
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 6: the place like Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady.

877
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 6: And so, yeah, you take out Nicks, you put in Stidham,

878
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 6: who was there in Denver longer than Nicks and in theory,

879
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 6: knows how to go out and run the offense the

880
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 6: way Sean Payton wants it to be. Run to hell.

881
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 6: Have an opportunity, right, because I don't know how much

882
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 6: of a fall off there is. And the benefit that

883
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 6: they pick up from it is we can now have

884
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 6: a legitimate and true and authentic no one believes in

885
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 6: us moment that can fuel a team to win a

886
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 6: game that maybe they weren't supposed to win.

887
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Speaker 2: NFC Mike Florio Pro Football Talk dot Com p ft A.

888
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: Sunday marks the fifth road trip in six weeks for

889
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: the Rams, seventh time in the last nine weeks they

890
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: played away from home. But no big deal, right, given

891
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: so many road fans infiltrate so far.

892
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think it's an issue. I think they're

893
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 6: well suited to playing on the road. You look at

894
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 6: what they did in that game in Seattle Week sixteen.

895
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 6: They had five hundred and eighty one yards of offense,

896
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 6: They were up thirty to fourteen in the fourth quarter,

897
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 6: they just fell apart. They had the punt return that

898
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 6: got Case Blackburn, the special teams coordinator fired, because that

899
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 6: started at all. That moved everything in the direction of

900
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 6: the Rams and or the Seahawks, excuse me, the Rams

901
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 6: suddenly stopped functioning on offense after that until they drove

902
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 6: down the field at the start of overtime to score

903
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 6: a touchdown. And other than that, the Rams win that game.

904
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 6: So they're capable of going up there and winning that game.

905
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 6: And yes, the Seahawks were pretty damn good in their

906
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 6: playoff win over the forty nine ers, winning forty one

907
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 6: to six, and their defense looked incredible in the thirteen

908
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 6: to three loss to end the regular season. They seemed

909
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 6: to be far better than they were when they gave

910
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 6: up five hundred and eighty one yards to the Rams.

911
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 6: But it wasn't all that long ago that they gave

912
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 6: up on the same field where they're going to be

913
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 6: playing on Sunday five hundred and eighty one yards to

914
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 6: the La Rams.

915
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: Mike Florio PF team PFT. You know, we and with

916
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: the head coaching opportunities, man, that was quick for Jeff

917
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: Affley decoordinator for a couple of years with Green Bay

918
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: and Boom head coach of the Miami Dolphins. That's a

919
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: tricky job down there, isn't it.

920
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 6: Well, it's always tricky because look, this function in any

921
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 6: NFL team that has a history of it comes from

922
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 6: the top. And you've got an owner who doesn't live

923
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 6: in Miami, he's not in the building on a regular basis.

924
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 6: You'll have different people with different agendas, different fights. There's

925
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 6: no one there to really resolve it the right way.

926
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 6: And now that you take a couple of Packers guys

927
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 6: in John Eric Sullivan and Jeff Halfley, and ideally they

928
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 6: work together, they cooperate, They try to address the issues

929
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 6: that the team has had in the past. They're gonna

930
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 6: have a ninety nine million dollar cap burden on the

931
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 6: back end of the tu of Tongue by Lowa contract

932
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 6: that they have to deal with. But you know, Half,

933
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 6: we made the ultimate bet on himself leaving Boston College

934
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 6: as head coach during the earlier years of the college

935
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 6: football chaos, rolling the dice on a defensive coordinator job

936
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 6: in the NFL, and two years later here he is

937
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 6: head coach of the Miami Dolphins. So we'll see what happens.

938
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 6: I'm surprised that neither the Dolphins nor the Titans pressed

939
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 6: paws on their searches once Sean McDermott became available, because

940
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 6: I'll take a proven winner who's gone to seven straight playoffs,

941
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 6: but at least Halfley has been a head coach. So far,

942
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 6: we haven't seen a first time head coach hired in

943
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 6: this cycle, and there may not be many of them

944
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 6: because teams are looking for guys who have shown they

945
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 6: can do it. When you hire someone who's never been

946
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 6: a head coach before, you're taking the chance that he

947
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 6: just doesn't have the skill set, because it's a very

948
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 6: different skill set to go from x's and o's to

949
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 6: running a full team.

950
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: Does anybody want to coach Arizona or Las Vegas? I mean,

951
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: I know we have second interviews at least with Arizona, Like,

952
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: does anybody really want to coach those teams?

953
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 6: Well, you'll hear people say from time to time that

954
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 6: there's only thirty two of these jobs, and that's true,

955
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 6: but one of them's in Arizona and one of them's

956
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 6: in Cleveland. And what you're doing, especially if you have

957
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 6: head coaching experience, if you had a head coaching job

958
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 6: that didn't go well and you rebound with a team

959
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 6: that you possibly won't be the head coach at for

960
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 6: very long, it's the Eric Mangini, it's the Adam Gase.

961
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 6: After that second one, you're never heard from again. So

962
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 6: making the right decision the second time around is critical.

963
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 6: I don't think Robert Solid takes the job in Tennessee

964
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 6: unless he firmly believes it's going to be a much

965
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 6: different outcome for him than it was with the Jets,

966
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 6: where it never really got off the ground, no pun intended.

967
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 6: He never had a quarterback, He only had access to

968
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers for four plays of one season and five

969
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 6: games of another and he got fired after week five.

970
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 6: So I think he sees cam Ward and what he

971
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 6: can be a lot of cap space, new stadium. He

972
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 6: sees an opportunity. But I don't see that same opportunity

973
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 6: with the Cardinals, who have never had Paul. They've been

974
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 6: around for over one hundred years. They've never had a

975
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 6: head coach for more than six years. Wow, no one

976
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 6: has made it more than six years.

977
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 5: Two.

978
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 6: Here's your trivia answer and press your friends and family

979
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 6: or strangers who care. Jim Hannifon and Ken wizen Hunt

980
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 6: made it six years. Nobody else has made it six

981
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 6: and no one has made it longer. Bruce Arians lasted five.

982
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's brilliant. With Robert Sala and that Titans job.

983
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe five year deals are the norm

984
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: these days for like second second time coaches. Five years,

985
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: I mean five years. That's aggressive, don't you think, Well.

986
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 6: That's what dysfunctional teams have to do to get someone

987
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 6: who may have options to take the job. Halfley got

988
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 6: a five year deal. When the forty nine ers hired

989
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 6: Kyle Shannan, I think he got a six year deal

990
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 6: because they had gone Jim Harbaugh, Jim tom ssull at

991
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 6: Chip Kelly. It was so bad you had the owner

992
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 6: sitting up there explaining why you can't fire the owners. Hey,

993
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 6: you know what, you just can't do it. In some cities,

994
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 6: that would be the best way to turn things around

995
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 6: is to find a way to get rid of the

996
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 6: owner based upon incomfidence. But you know, Paul, I say

997
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 6: this all the time. You got to pass two tests

998
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 6: to drive a car. You got to pass zero tests

999
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 6: to own an NFL team. You just have to either

1000
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 6: show up with the biggest bag of money or have

1001
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 6: your name in the will.

1002
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: That's it.

1003
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 6: That's the only qualification. You don't even need to know

1004
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 6: a thing about football. So you get these teams that

1005
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 6: have owners that just keep spinning their wheels, and it

1006
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 6: puts the coaches who they're going to hire in position

1007
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 6: to say, I don't want a four year deal, I

1008
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 6: want a five year deal. I want a six year deal.

1009
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,959
Speaker 6: And you proved the world by paying that extra money

1010
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 6: and making that extra commitment that we're going to stick

1011
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 6: with this guy a little bit longer. The buyout may

1012
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 6: save him. How I think the buyout saved Aaron Glenn

1013
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 6: this year in New York, and we all know the

1014
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 6: buyouts saved Zach Taylor in Cincinnati. There'd be a clean

1015
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 6: sweep in the AFC North if Mike Brown was willing

1016
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 6: to pay the remainder of Zach Taylor's contract buy out.

1017
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: Terrorism I forgot about that all right. Lastly, a minute

1018
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 2: and forty seconds, you get it off. Two interviews. Now

1019
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: for Flores and Pittsburgh, what do you think happens next there?

1020
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 6: Well, he's under consideration with the Ravens and the Steelers,

1021
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 6: and the coordinator's job with the commander is I believe

1022
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 6: at the end of the day that Brian Flores will

1023
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 6: be back with the Vikings as defensive coordination. That's what

1024
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 6: I believe. I don't know it, but reading the tea

1025
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 6: leaves knowing the things that have been reported, the other

1026
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 6: stuff that is out there that you hear about on

1027
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 6: the grapevine, and you know, these teams are going to

1028
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 6: do a deep dive. They're gonna look at what happened

1029
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 6: in Miami. They're gonna look at what happened in Pittsburgh

1030
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 6: during his one year there. They're gonna look at his

1031
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 6: time in Minnesota. The thing that he has in his

1032
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 6: favor in Pittsburgh. They loved him during the one year

1033
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 6: he was there. They loved him and that's the kind

1034
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 6: of hard nosed defensive style they like. Now, I'll say this,

1035
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 6: even though the Steelers have gone defensive coordinator with their

1036
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 6: last three hires dating back to the first Nixon administration

1037
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 6: in nineteen sixty nine, Chuck Nolebill Kawer, Mike Tomlin, all

1038
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 6: defensive coordinators. They understand that in the nineteen years since

1039
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 6: they hired Mike Tomlin, the game has changed. It's offensive now,

1040
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 6: it's player safety now. And they may decide we got

1041
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 6: go with an offensive coach this time around. But the

1042
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 6: formula that has been very successful, and I'll submit to

1043
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 6: you that with each successful head coaching higher in Pittsburgh

1044
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 6: that lasts at least fifteen years, it's gone twenty three years,

1045
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 6: fifteen years, nineteen years, you put more pressure on yourself

1046
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 6: to get it right. So I think Florida is gonna

1047
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 6: get serious consideration in Pittsburgh. I don't think he's gonna

1048
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 6: get serious consideration in Baltimore. He will in Pittsburgh, and

1049
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 6: we'll see whether or not the Steelers are comfortable making

1050
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 6: that move. They're gonna have a lot of options. The

1051
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 6: problem with having a lot of options you eventually got

1052
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 6: to pick one. It's like being at the cheesecake factory

1053
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 6: and flipping through that phone book menu. A lot of

1054
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 6: stuff looks good. You got to ultimately pick one.

1055
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 2: Brilliant Call you next week. Seamen Mike Florio pft. Yeah,

1056
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Speaker 2: you know, we we have a joining us next calls

1057
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Speaker 2: Patriots games, and of Patriots played this weekend against the

1058
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Speaker 2: Broncos in the AFC Championship Game of Bob Socias Next