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Speaker 2: get to your talkbacks today in our number two right

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Speaker 2: after we talk to our guy from Fox nineteen, Joe Danoman.

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Speaker 2: Joe Daniman has been everywhere at spring training. The folks

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Speaker 2: got a ton to catch up with our guy Joe

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Speaker 2: Daniman with including a very big night of college basketball

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Speaker 2: ahead this evening as well. Tonight we'll see multiple multiple

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Speaker 2: local teams and a lot of bubble action happening as well.

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Speaker 2: Of course, one of the most talked about teams right

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Speaker 2: now in all of college basketball is the Miami RedHawks.

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Speaker 2: They host the Toledo Rockets tonight. A win and this

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Speaker 2: thing just keeps on rolling for Miami, it would get

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Speaker 2: them to thirty and zero on the season. A loss

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Speaker 2: would make them a point of conversation every single day.

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Speaker 2: Based on earlier conversations this week of what Bruce Pearl

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Speaker 2: had to say about Miami and if they don't win

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Speaker 2: their conference tournament that they shouldn't be in and it's

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Speaker 2: led to a lot of back and forth. Is led

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Speaker 2: to a lot of conversations on this show. I saw earlier.

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Speaker 2: The athletic director of the Miami RedHawks, David Saylor, was

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Speaker 2: on Wake Up Barstool this morning. He's all over the place.

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Speaker 2: The red Hawks are over the place. Would you go

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Speaker 2: as far Austin as to say that Miami has become

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Speaker 2: America's team?

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I have the ability to speak

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Speaker 3: for America. I think, you know, the Auburn area probably

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Speaker 3: wouldn't say that they are America's team.

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Speaker 2: I think Bruce Pearl is finding out that there are

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Speaker 2: a lot of Miami fans out there.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Cincinnati fans would say they're rooting for

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Speaker 3: the red Hawks.

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Speaker 2: I mean, now you're rooting hard for the RedHawks. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: for all of our time. Oh yeah, you know, our

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Speaker 2: guy Kyle Decker was on last week. He's pushing and

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Speaker 2: making a push to increase your Twitter followers. I can

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Speaker 2: imagine that that Kyle would want to see you coming

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Speaker 2: out the Miami haters using your platform, which I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you would. Yeah, I'm sure you speaking of coming at people,

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Speaker 2: oh and using my platform.

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Speaker 3: You want to know who should be ashamed of themselves?

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Speaker 3: The coaches of the Horizon League. Oh, because there was

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Speaker 3: a complete travesty yesterday when it was announced that Donovan

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Speaker 3: o Day, Oh Day all Day, the great guard for

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Speaker 2: One of the more disgusting developments happening.

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Speaker 3: They voted Donnovan O Day second Team Horizon League. Huh,

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Speaker 3: he's averaging eighteen points a game. He's shooting fifty percent

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Speaker 3: from the field.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I did some research and I

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Speaker 3: may or may not have been helped by the Great

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Speaker 3: Reverend Richard Browing on this absolutely, But you know Ken

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Speaker 3: Well, he started doing all league teams in twenty thirteen

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Speaker 3: the Horizon League Player of the Year. Sure, every single

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Speaker 3: season for twelve years straight, Odey was top two. Like

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Speaker 3: most of the year in these rankings, he finished third.

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Speaker 3: He didn't even make first team in the Horizon League

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Speaker 3: who's he voting for? This is a bunch of nonsense.

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Speaker 3: I got of an O Day should be first team

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Speaker 2: I would go as far as blasphemy.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't walk across the street to see Gottlieb or

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Speaker 3: Wright State? What's his now? I bet he didn't vote? Oh,

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Speaker 3: Clint Colonel Sergeant Hurdle. Gosh, yeah, he makes Clint Hurdle

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Speaker 3: look good, and that's not easy to do. TJ.

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Speaker 2: Birch Att Wright State good player average just over eleven

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Speaker 2: Why All League? The other players that I saw on

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Speaker 2: He was number ten in scoring in the Horizon League.

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Speaker 2: Corey had not He's pretty good. He leads the league

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Speaker 3: What did you say, who's the first guy's name?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Brody Robinson at Oakland. He's fifth in the

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Speaker 2: one of the more disrespectful things we've seen as of late.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is the dude who came over from

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Speaker 2: Who should be the average responsible parties that are six

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Speaker 2: I mean, because I mean we saw Gottlieb get up

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Speaker 3: No, Gottlieb don't know anything.

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Speaker 2: There's this disgusting behavior. I don't get it from the

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Speaker 2: Horizon League. Should be first team All Horizon. I agree.

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Speaker 2: College basketball outside of the snub in the Horizon League.

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Speaker 2: That's a big one in the Bluegrass. Any relation to Tucker,

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Speaker 2: Down there? What does this mean going forward? We'll talk

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Speaker 2: about more college basketball today again, including the Big Slate tonight,

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk about what Richard Patino Junior had to

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Speaker 2: asked point blank, a lot of people out there think

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Speaker 2: get into that audio this afternoon. The Atlanta Falcons the

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Speaker 2: atl Austin They're gonna play a game in Madrid this year.

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Speaker 2: There's a chance that with that game happening in Madrid,

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Speaker 2: that the Bengals could be the opponent in that one.

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Speaker 3: Two of the Bengals scheduled road opponents, the Washington Commanders

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Speaker 3: in the Atlanta Falcons, are set to host international games,

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Speaker 3: and many believe there's a very good chance that the

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Speaker 3: Bengals would be one of those. Now, there's also this

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Speaker 3: the following season twenty twenty seven, that they could be

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Speaker 3: waiting for that. Now, a couple of other teams on

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Speaker 3: They have marketing rights in Spain. You might know, the

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Speaker 3: NFL has certain countries you're allowed to market in, and

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Speaker 3: for the Bengals is one of them. The Chiefs and

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Speaker 3: easy drive for a lot of Bengals fans. I think

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Speaker 2: The Atlanta Falcons in the news. Atlanta Hawks found themselves

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Speaker 2: in the news Man not because former Hawk Trey Young,

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Speaker 2: who's now a Washington Wizard before he's even played a

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Speaker 3: What's he been doing? Why has he not been playing?

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Speaker 2: Austin and doing a Magic City.

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Speaker 2: Magic City Monday. Now they announced a Magic City Monday.

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Speaker 2: They've got gear Austin this Magic City hoodie that the

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Speaker 2: night will show love to the quote cultural institution with

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Speaker 2: appearances from legends like Ti, the Establishment's famous chicken wings

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Speaker 2: that got Charlotte Hornet forward Luke Cornett all up in arms.

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Speaker 2: He said, this is disrespectful to women. I believe Luke

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Speaker 2: Cornett plays for the Spurs. The Spurs, Yes, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: The NBA should desire to protect an esteem women, many

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Speaker 2: of who work diligently every day to make this the

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Speaker 2: best basketball league in the world. We should promote an

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Speaker 2: how a woman finds her way into adult entertainment industry,

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Speaker 2: many in this space appearing experience abuse, harassment, and violence

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Speaker 2: to which they should never be subjected. What do you

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Speaker 2: make of this id Magic City? It is very much

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Speaker 2: a It is a cultural institution. And in Atlanta, Yes,

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Speaker 2: I mean, my guy Tarren talks about Magic City almost

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Speaker 2: every day.

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Speaker 3: Like he goes to Atlanta. He goes to Magic City

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Speaker 3: like that's he loves it there. It's a destination. They

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Speaker 3: are known world famously for their chicken wings. True, I

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Speaker 3: don't know that the women that dance at this club

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Speaker 3: would necessarily say that that, you know, This is kind

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Speaker 3: of like the pinnacle right of strip clubs.

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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty good money if you're in that industry.

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Speaker 2: This is this is your spot.

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Speaker 3: GQ called Magic City America's most important club.

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Speaker 2: kick things off next on the Home of the Bengals

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Speaker 2: ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Alexaport, No one covers the Bengals like ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 4: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, and.

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Speaker 5: I will, and it'll be all my goodness sakes destroyed

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Speaker 5: I know it's it's just turned large and nobody's going

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm starting to dip my toes back into

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Speaker 3: That was the call yesterday on Red's TV featuring John

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Speaker 2: We'll spend more time on Red spring training here in

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Speaker 2: our number three today. Speaking of baseball though, baseball news

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Speaker 2: right now, Austin, Remember Jerrekson Profar?

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Speaker 3: I remember him? Did he get in trouble again?

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Speaker 2: Profar is facing a one hundred and sixty two game

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Speaker 3: I wonder if he went to Magic City.

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Speaker 2: So Jerkson Profar, who was a big part of a

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Speaker 2: It is tag day across the National Football League. Teams

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Speaker 3: No, wouldn't think so. That would be the third franchise

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Speaker 2: The big name obviously here in Cincinnati is that of

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Speaker 2: I think at this point Austin at least I would

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson's going to sign somewhere else, and when he does,

435
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Speaker 2: there will be a lot of folks in Cincinnati that say, what, Well,

436
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Speaker 2: I can't believe Cincinnati wouldn't pay him that sure, because

437
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Speaker 2: it might come across as a very team friendly deal,

438
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Speaker 2: to which a lot of people would say, well, how

439
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 2: can't the Bengals get that done when they need so

440
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: much on defense? And that might be the case, or

441
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Speaker 2: if you go buy other projections. For an instance, the

442
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: athletics Daniel Popper Austin predicted Trey Hendrickson to the Chicago

443
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 2: Bears for a three year ninety nine million dollar deal. Now,

444
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: if the Bears or someone went and gave Trey Hendrickson

445
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: thirty three million dollars, good for you. You played the

446
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 2: system and it worked. But I lean to John Shearon's

447
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: view of that, in all likelihood, he's not going to

448
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: get the money he was hoping. He's gonna sign a

449
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: lower deal, and it it's what happens, it will have

450
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Speaker 2: people in Cincinnati saying, well, why couldn't the Bengals get

451
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: that done?

452
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Speaker 6: Well?

453
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Speaker 3: And I think you also might have to keep in

454
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Speaker 3: mind that the price for Trey Hendrickson in Cincinnati the

455
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Speaker 3: Bengals price he's charge and may not be the price

456
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: he's charging somewhere else, sure, because he may just view

457
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Speaker 3: it the same way that maybe the Bengals do, which

458
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 3: is like, yeah, you know, I don't want to be here,

459
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 3: it's time for a change, and so in order to

460
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: get me to stay, I'm gonna have to charge you

461
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 3: a little bit more. I don't know, but yeah, I

462
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: think Trey is gonna get out there and realize, yeah,

463
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 3: people are interested, but nobody's willing to pay me like

464
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 3: the top flight guy that I think I am. And

465
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Speaker 3: it's not to take away from Trey. I think a

466
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Speaker 3: lot of people have almost like become critical of him

467
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Speaker 3: as a player. There's nothing to be critical of Trey

468
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 3: Hendrickson of as a player other than not the best

469
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: run defender. But you can live with that because of

470
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 3: the crazy amount of sacks and the pressures and the

471
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 3: stuff that he's had to deal with. He's not a

472
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: perfect player. He's not at the level in my opinion

473
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 3: of Crosby and Garrett and some of those others. But

474
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: he's been a really productive player. He's been an incredible

475
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 3: guy in the community. I mean, I don't know if

476
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: I've said this on the air or not, but I

477
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 3: have a friend who's very young daughter has cancer and

478
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 3: there've been in and out of the hospital and all

479
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: this stuff dealing with it. In one day, randomly you

480
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: get a knock on the door and Trey Henderson shows up.

481
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Speaker 3: This was like a month ago, and he's wearing a

482
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Speaker 3: Bengals jersey and he spends time with her and talks

483
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 3: to the family. This is an unbelievable person off the

484
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 3: field as well. There's no reason to disparage the guy

485
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 3: on the way out of the door. It just feels

486
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: like this has come to an end, and you can't

487
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: be mad about it. It's the best free agent signing

488
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 3: in the history of this franchise.

489
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: Yep.

490
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: I mean the production you've gotten from him, and obviously

491
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: the distractions and stuff that have come with that frustrating

492
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 3: towards the end. But you can't look back on the

493
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson era and say, damn, that wasn't a success.

494
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: It was. Yeah, it's just time to move on to me.

495
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Speaker 2: It just it signifies, or it will signify the end

496
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Speaker 2: of a great tenure, but also a I don't want

497
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: to say confusing, but just clunky one as well. The

498
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: way it's ended, sure, and the way it finished and

499
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: the numbers and the way he produced. And you know,

500
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: you asked me before the show today and I go back,

501
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: I mean, how looking back on it now, him showing

502
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: up to training camp like he was getting ready to

503
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: go play eighteen holes, holding his own media account like

504
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: it just it's such a crazy, weird ending, you know.

505
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: And here's an organization of the Bengals that did take

506
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: a chance on Trey Hendrickson, and yes, they were rewarded

507
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: for that, and I think rewarded Trey Hendrickson as well. Sure,

508
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: But what an odd ending to this chapter for the

509
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: Bengals and Trey Hendrickson. Just again how it ended I

510
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: would have And again, no endings are ever really good.

511
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: There's never really the mutual where all sides are happy.

512
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: But what a strange way as this kind of all

513
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: seemingly will be coming to an end over the next

514
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: few hours with the Bengals and with Trey Hendrickson. Now

515
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: it draws into light I think the importance of the

516
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: Bengals getting it right this offseason and the pressure that

517
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: that puts on the team going into next year. Adam

518
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,479
Speaker 2: Schefter joined the folks earlier this morning on Sportsmanlike on

519
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Speaker 2: ESPN Radio, and we'll give you a little bit of

520
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: that clip as it pertains to Joe Burrow and the

521
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: Bengals when we return. Also your phone calls five one, three,

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Speaker 2: seven nine, fifteen thirty. That's next on ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: From the Court to the Cage, Diamond to the Dome.

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Speaker 1: He brings the heat Moegar today at three pm on

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Here we go as we continue on it's our one

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Speaker 2: since he three sixty thanks to Skyline Chili, Joe Daniman

529
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Speaker 2: kicks off our number two of your talkbacks. We've got

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Speaker 2: Reds baseball in a loaded college basketball night to get

531
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Speaker 2: to in our number three. Before we get to any

532
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Speaker 2: of that, a little bit here on Joe Burrow with

533
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Speaker 2: the Bengals, and then your phone calls to finish up

534
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Speaker 2: our number one, So stick with us on hold. We'll

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Speaker 2: get to those in just a few moments. Earlier this afternoon,

536
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Speaker 2: earlier this morning, if you will right here on this station,

537
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I know, I got.

538
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Speaker 3: A been up for a while.

539
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Speaker 2: I've been up for a long time. When did you

540
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: wake up this morning? Usually I'm about seven o'clock? Okay,

541
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: when did you wake up this morning? I'll ask again,

542
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: since he didn't answer that question, seven fifteen. Okay, kids

543
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: slept in today. Bearcats have a late start tonight. Will

544
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: you be taking a nap? I don't take naps. I

545
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: can't do it.

546
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: Okay.

547
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: I feel worse after the nap than before than nap.

548
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: This was actually though a piece of audio this morning

549
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: on Unsportsmanlike right here on ESPN Radio from Adam Schefter

550
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: as he was talking a little bit about the Bengals

551
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: and Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 7: I expect Joe Burr to beat Cincinnati and then I

553
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 7: think this year becomes a referendum on what he wants

554
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 7: to after this year. I think it's a year by year.

555
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 7: I think if he's happy and Cincinnati, all is good.

556
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 7: I think if there's another rocky year and there's more losing,

557
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 7: all options are on the table.

558
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: So short and sweet, that's from Adam Schefter, take with

559
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: it what you want. And again I'm not at the

560
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: point where I'm like, Okay, it's it's the Andrew Lucker

561
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: or Joe Burrow's gonna want out of Cincinnati. But whether

562
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: that is accurate or not to me Austin that audio clip,

563
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: that's how the Bengals have to operate now and going forward.

564
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: That's all I'm asking. The Bengals have to operate with

565
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: the urgency that if they don't figure this out, they

566
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: could mess up what they have at quarterback.

567
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow will not tolerate an aggressive anything other than

568
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: aggressive pursuit of a championship. And if you do not

569
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: align with what he needs and his philosophy, which should

570
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: be your philosophy. Correct if these two do not align,

571
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: then who could blame Joe Burrow?

572
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 6: Much?

573
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 3: Like I've said for years, when it comes to Carson Palmer,

574
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: Carson Palmer Bengals fans should love him because he was

575
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: demanding more from the organization. And this same situation's happening

576
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: with Joe Burrow if they screw it up again. And

577
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: so the urgency of this offseason cannot be understated. When

578
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: it comes to draft picks, when it comes to free agency,

579
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 3: when it comes to extensions, when it comes to coaching decisions,

580
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: everything is on the line because if you screw this

581
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: up again, you are risking your entire franchise, the face

582
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Speaker 3: of your franchise, the future of your franchise, your season

583
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: ticket holders, your fan base, your potential future stadium, all

584
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 3: of it hangs in the balance by what you do

585
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: this offseason.

586
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Speaker 2: And that's my thing. I don't care who reports it.

587
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: I don't care if it's Adam Schefter. I don't care

588
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: if it's someone local. I don't care if it's someone

589
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: that doesn't even live in this country. I don't know

590
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: the lengths in which these other folks know what Joe

591
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: Burrow would or wouldn't do. But you hit the nail

592
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: on the head. Anything less than the aggressive pursuit of

593
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: a championship, and you're rolling the dice on this becoming

594
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: a reality, and that, to me, among anything else that

595
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: happens this offseason, that should be the driving force on

596
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: which the Bengals operate between now and the start of

597
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: the regular season. Tip of the cap, as we mentioned yesterday,

598
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 2: they made the layup, Dalton Reisner. That's a layup. What

599
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: else are you going to do? You got to move

600
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: back a little bit, hit a mid range, you got

601
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: to hit the free throws, you got to hit a three,

602
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: maybe come up with a half court shot, maybe come

603
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: up with something that you don't even see coming. And

604
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 2: it completely changes the trajectory of where this team is going.

605
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: But are you in a position, if you are this

606
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: organization to say, Joe Burrow's happy here, We don't need

607
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: to to operate out of our norm You're not. You

608
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: have to operate with the urgency that this could be

609
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: a reality if you don't get this fixed.

610
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Speaker 3: You know, Duke Tobin said this week when or last

611
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 3: week when he was at the Combine that he hasn't

612
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: had a chance to sit down with Joe Burrow and

613
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 3: do a full debrief. Huh it's March now. I don't know,

614
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: I don't know what you know Joe is doing. He

615
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 3: says he talks to Joe a lot. That's fine, and

616
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: maybe that to me could be indicative that it could

617
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: be slightly overblown because if Joe's not in his office,

618
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: or maybe Duke is lying about it and they have

619
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: I don't know. But you know what I am most

620
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 3: interested in, and I believe this will happen, is does

621
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Speaker 3: Duke Tobin operate like a guy who feels like he

622
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: has to win now? I should?

623
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Speaker 6: You know.

624
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: I was listening to Lewis Riddick talking about the way

625
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: that gms and front offices operate, especially when it comes

626
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: to positional value in the draft, and there are teams

627
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 3: who are thinking years down the line, and we'll say, okay, well,

628
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 3: I'm not going to take a safety at number ten

629
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Speaker 3: because we need the edge rusher. And the Bengals could

630
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: be applicable to this, right Caleb Downs or Reuben Bain.

631
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Speaker 3: We've talked about it a lot. Now, guys that are

632
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: new on the job and have a new head coach

633
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 3: and all this, they might be thinking, Okay, we need

634
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: the cheap labor right away. We need to you know,

635
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: we're not gonna worry about years down the line, and

636
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 3: we're gonna get the best player available and it might

637
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 3: be Caleb Downs yep, or there are other guys who

638
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: are thinking, shoot, we gotta win right now. I'm not

639
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: worried about that down the line with Caleb Downs and

640
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 3: what he's gonna cost me. I need to get this, dude,

641
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 3: and that's where the Bengals need to be. That's where

642
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: the Bengals need to operate out of I'm curious if

643
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: Duke Tobin operates that way. Does he operate like a

644
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: guy who knows if I don't fix this, I'm going

645
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: to lose my job. I think that's how Zach Taylor's

646
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: operating has to.

647
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 2: And I think if you're like you mentioned, not having

648
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Speaker 2: the conversation, I don't see Joe Burrow as the guy

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Speaker 2: that's gonna say, dude, can we talk please. I think

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Speaker 2: Joe's the types are gonna say, Okay, I'm gonna wait,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit back, I'm gonna see if things are different.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna see if things are changing, let's see what happens. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And if that's the case, then Duke should be on

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Speaker 2: the phone saying, hey, can we get together. Can we

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Speaker 2: talk about some things before we really get into the

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Joe Daniman joins us

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Speaker 2: at the top of hour number two. Before that, let's

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Speaker 2: grab a couple of phone calls here. Oscar is calling in.

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Oscar?

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Speaker 6: My god? What's good? What's good? Which?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 10: Questions?

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Speaker 6: So for us, for us of people who don't understand,

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Speaker 6: if they don't franchise, heay train, so we just lose him.

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Speaker 6: For we just lose him and not receive anything.

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Speaker 2: Is there is there a chance Austin at the compensatory

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Speaker 2: pick if he does walk in free agency?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's not a high pick. There are some things

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Speaker 3: that would have to happen, but next season, next dragon,

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Speaker 3: not this year. They would get a compensatory pick for Trey,

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Speaker 3: depending on if a certain stuff is met, but more

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Speaker 3: than likely nothing.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god.

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Speaker 6: All right, that's okay, Yeah, there's about that's about part

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Speaker 6: for part of course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, sir, that's That's the thing that I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of people are going to wrestle with is well,

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Speaker 2: if it got to this point, should they have gotten

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Speaker 2: it done last year? And who knows? Like we don't

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Speaker 2: know though, what the offer or what offers ever were

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Speaker 2: for Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 3: I remember talking to people, uh this time last year,

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Speaker 3: and they all told me they need to trade him

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Speaker 3: right now. And and these are people that I trust,

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Speaker 3: and I was still over here thinking, okay, well maybe

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Speaker 3: the defense will be better and Trey if he can

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Speaker 3: be all right. But but they all told me they

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Speaker 3: need to trade him right now. His value will never

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Speaker 3: be higher and this is why. And they thought that

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Speaker 3: they were going to be a lot better on defense.

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Speaker 3: They were wrong, yep. And so they've missed the boat

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Speaker 3: on that and then he got hurt and his value

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Speaker 3: cratered and there's just not any more value there for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where we're at right now. Mark, what's

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Speaker 2: going on.

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Speaker 6: And how's it going? Two things? I won't to make

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Speaker 6: a point about the Reds and I got a Bengals point.

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Speaker 6: My Reds point is I need one more thing. I

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Speaker 6: need a left handed reliever at the back end of

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Speaker 6: the bullpee pull pin that can throw some leak because

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Speaker 6: I think you need two guys. I think I like

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Speaker 6: two guys that can close games out. They they bought

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Speaker 6: put Gon back and that was fine. He did a

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Speaker 6: pretty good job last year except when he had to

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Speaker 6: face the middle of the lineup. Okay, but I would

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Speaker 6: like a left I could do the same thing because

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Speaker 6: I think you need two two guys can. Yeah. And

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Speaker 6: then on the Bengals front, aside from the players that

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Speaker 6: they need on defense to help them out, you know,

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Speaker 6: aside from the big picture, I would like to see

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Speaker 6: a philosophy change with them. It's like, if you need

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Speaker 6: a guard, let's draft a guard. If you need a safety,

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Speaker 6: let's draft a safety. You know, let's stop drafting tackles

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Speaker 6: and making them guards. And like with dak Seel, I

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Speaker 6: think it was a slock corner in college and then

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Speaker 6: they bought him, they drafted him, and then wanted them

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Speaker 6: to play safety. So aside from all the needs that,

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Speaker 6: you know, whatever position we need, let's draft that position.

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Speaker 6: Like they need a safety. So whoever the best safety

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Speaker 6: is at the time that they're picking. Let's draft the safety.

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Speaker 6: Let's not draft a cornerback and Jen try to convert

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Speaker 6: him to a safety. You know, how about that that

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Speaker 6: novel concept?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now I get that going forward.

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Speaker 6: So that was my point and then I'll get all

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Speaker 6: of this to the rest of the show.

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Speaker 2: Mark, thank you, And I think that goes to the

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Speaker 2: whole conversation about Duke Tobin of biggest need versus best

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Speaker 2: player available, and can can that mess? Can that match

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Speaker 2: for this team this year at number ten in the draft?

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Speaker 2: One more and then we'll get a break and we'll

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Speaker 2: get to Joe Danaman. What's up, John? That's a new fellows.

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Speaker 2: How are you good?

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Speaker 10: How are you?

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Speaker 11: We're hanging in there, hanging in there and this disastrous

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Speaker 11: winter we're dealing with. As far as Trey Hendrickson, I

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Speaker 11: would just move on, And as far as a compensatory pick,

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Speaker 11: I mean that gets kind of worked out in the wash,

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Speaker 11: depending on what they do as signing free agency free

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Speaker 11: agents themselves. So you know that's already something that could

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Speaker 11: be determined later.

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Speaker 3: But I just think it's time to move on from him.

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Speaker 11: I think you could spend the money more wisely for

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Speaker 11: a younger player and a sending player like Odafe Olway

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Speaker 11: from the Trigers, who would probably caught you have the money.

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Speaker 11: He's five years younger. He's as sending that to me,

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Speaker 11: be wiser use of money. And look, the defense at

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Speaker 11: times looked better without him last year. I mean their

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Speaker 11: defense played better than the second half of the year,

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Speaker 11: or at least the final third of the year. Not

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Speaker 11: saying much, but the final thirty of you compared to

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Speaker 11: the first two thirds of the year, and he was

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Speaker 11: nowhere to be found. And again lack of leadership. I

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Speaker 11: mean last year's training camp, like you said, Tony shows

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Speaker 11: up looking like he's ready to play golf. And the

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Speaker 11: year before, te Higgins and Jamar Chase had contract issues,

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Speaker 11: but they weren't camp the entire time, and they were

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Speaker 11: ready to go when they got the contracts done. I

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Speaker 11: kind of was disappointed that Henderson there's no where to

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Speaker 11: be found for most of this training camp.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that to me, it just and that's why I

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Speaker 2: went back. It was just a weird ending to the

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson tenure in Cincinnati, a tenure that brought a lot

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Speaker 2: of good and as Austin said earlier, you can go

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Speaker 2: down as arguably the best free agent signing in franchise history.

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Speaker 2: Just a weird ending to what at once was a

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Speaker 2: very promising and and productive tenure as a Bengal.

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Speaker 11: Yeah. I mean, obviously, they're kind of built like the

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Speaker 11: Colts were twenty years ago. Great quarterbacks, score a lot

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Speaker 11: of points and then have edge rushers that you know,

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Speaker 11: kind of close the game that the last couple of

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Speaker 11: years haven't been able to do that because they can

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Speaker 11: never quite get separation because their defense has been so bad.

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Speaker 11: But I think it'd be time to just move on

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Speaker 11: and go for someone younger, cheaper, who can be as productive,

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Speaker 11: if not more productive, and then obviously, you know, try

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Speaker 11: to build through the draft and whatever other free agents

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Speaker 11: that you have out there. But I think it'd be

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Speaker 11: time to move on from Trey because as great as

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Speaker 11: he's been here, it may just be it's time to

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Speaker 11: move on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's run its course at this point and you

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Speaker 2: move on from it. I agree, Thanks Fellows, John, Thank

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Speaker 2: you appreciate you. I think that's a good way to

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Speaker 2: put at Austin.

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Speaker 11: It is.

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Speaker 2: It's been a good tenure, but it's just it's not

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Speaker 2: working in Cincinnati anymore.

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Speaker 3: And on top of that, they have failed to adequately

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Speaker 3: build around him. Other players haven't developed as quickly. Other

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Speaker 3: players hasn't produced the way you've wanted them to. Some

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Speaker 3: of the other signings haven't quite worked out. And because

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Speaker 3: of that, instead of dedicating more money to one player,

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Speaker 3: you need to dedicate that money to multiple players. It's

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Speaker 3: not just, hey, the Bengals don't like Trey and Trey

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Speaker 3: doesn't like the Bengals. It's not just he's injured or

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Speaker 3: he's older. It's, hey, we got to spend this money

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Speaker 3: more wisely to make the defense as a whole better.

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Speaker 3: It's there's a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of layers to it. Yeah, without a doubt, maybe

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Speaker 2: some layers that Joe Daniman can help us peel back

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Speaker 2: as we get to our number two. He joins us

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Speaker 2: next eat on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station k WISE.

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