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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and I heard radio station guaranteed Human.

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Speaker 2: Olympic gold medalist Vince Trochick joins me at two thirty.

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Speaker 2: God bless America. Jack hugheses moment at PPG last night

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Speaker 2: was great. He came through with the golden goal. You

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Speaker 2: came through with the great ovation last night. Way to

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Speaker 2: go Jack, and way to go PPG. I've kind of

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Speaker 2: got my feelings sorted out about the Olympic Hockey Tournament, because, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was conflicted, still am to some degree. I'm gutted

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Speaker 2: that sid didn't play and didn't win. That's what I

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Speaker 2: was rooting for. But I'm good with how it worked

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Speaker 2: out because we had a star as born moment with

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Speaker 2: Jack Hughes, and Jack Hughes has since proven himself one

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Speaker 2: worthy of that moment, and it was all made harder

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Speaker 2: than it should have been. And Jack Hughes hasted, he

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Speaker 2: hasted all of it. He hastd last night. The people

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Speaker 2: know we saw that last night at PPG. The people

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Speaker 2: know the Penguins are one and oh with ot Sidney

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Speaker 2: Crosby for to one win over at New Jersey at

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Speaker 2: PPG last night. I mostly liked the win, even though

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Speaker 2: the Penguins missed what three breakaways or so Chinnicoff's scored

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Speaker 2: a fantastic goal. Chennikoff is Karlamov. You're seeing number fifty

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Speaker 2: nine jerseys already at Penguin games. He's barely been here,

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Speaker 2: but he's catching on. Gino with the apple on that goal.

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Speaker 2: Two apples on the night, Malcolm to Chinnikov. Another victory

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Speaker 2: for modern communism. The Penguins played sound and systematic. The

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Speaker 2: F three was almost always in position, five for five

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Speaker 2: on the penalty.

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Speaker 1: Kill, scored up power play goal too.

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Speaker 2: Chilloff solid in the net, real good in goal in

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Speaker 2: the first period. Eighteen k people in the hissy like

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Speaker 2: I mentioned, nice tribute to the Olympians.

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Speaker 1: It was a good hockey night.

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Speaker 2: And I say again one and oh we atzi Columbus lost, YA,

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Speaker 2: Islanders won. Boo Schaeffer got his eighteenth goal. The eighteen

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Speaker 2: year old rookie defenseman Geek Canada might have been able

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Speaker 2: to make good.

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Speaker 1: Use of him.

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Speaker 2: Instead, they picked Colton Barreco. This is the Mark Madden Show.

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Speaker 2: You like it, you love it, you want more of it?

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Speaker 2: You can follow me on Twitter at Mark Madden x.

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Speaker 2: Chinnikoff's the story right now. The biggest story for the Penguins.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be a thirty goal guy right there. Boy,

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Speaker 2: did Columbus just blow it with Chinnakoff. Let's bring in

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Speaker 2: Tommy Hockey. Tom Chinnakoff is amazing. Give him an inch

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Speaker 2: and he takes a mile. Maybe he's the guy who

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Speaker 2: picks up the slack for sid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he is.

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Speaker 3: And then that line just in general, is the line

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Speaker 3: that produces with him kind of being that the head

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Speaker 3: of that spear scoring all the goals, you know, with

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Speaker 3: a great pass to spring him loose in that game too.

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Speaker 3: And back to what Columbus was thinking it, it's extra

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Speaker 3: bizaarre how the whole coaching thing played out with Columbus.

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Speaker 2: Evison hated him, Yeah, traded Chinnakoff, then they fired Everson,

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Speaker 2: and that's what makes them Columbus.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you just give up on a talent like

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Speaker 3: that and then you immediately eject on your head coach.

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Speaker 3: You didn't like him. So that was a poor organizational move.

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Speaker 3: But one poor organization's move is a great organization's benefit

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Speaker 3: like the Penguins, and they're benefiting big time.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, sounds like something the Steelers might do Sid was

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Speaker 2: in the press box.

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Speaker 1: I didn't go.

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Speaker 2: I was at DJ's lounge in Murraysville for a watch party.

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Speaker 2: But had I been there, I would have told Sid

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Speaker 2: hey junior working media only. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Penguins left it late, Tom.

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Speaker 2: It was one one after two that mark stroman goal

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Speaker 2: for New Jersey. Andre the Giant can't play, but he's big.

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Speaker 2: He gives the Penguins fits, and really all he is

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Speaker 1: Alli is big.

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Speaker 3: He was in Team Sweden's net for the game that

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Speaker 1: He just gets in the way. The Clifton goal was hilarious.

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Speaker 3: I forget who fired off the crossbar first and it

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Speaker 3: just like bounced right to clifton stick and then bang,

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Speaker 1: You could see Markstrom's face.

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Speaker 3: Through the mask there when he was like, oh, oh

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Speaker 3: crap when he saw it just land right on Clifton's tape.

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Speaker 3: But you're right, like, if he's just somewhat in position,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Connor Clifton, I know I want them to get

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Speaker 2: just not a big fan of him playing night in

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Speaker 3: You can always get better, right, I mean, you saying

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Speaker 3: Clifton's been absolute crap, not at all. It just would

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Speaker 3: be a benefit to the team to help more deeper

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Saint Ivany skating, I don't know. I mean it's

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Speaker 2: But I'd like Saint Ivany and Clifton to both be

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Speaker 1: Yes, seventh team man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the problem ain't the bottom pair guy. The

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Speaker 2: problem would be if Letang and Carlson either one got hurt.

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Speaker 2: You need better cover for them if that happens. And

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Speaker 2: by the way, both them guys did pretty good last night.

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Speaker 2: I did have a bad feeling Tom when they missed

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Speaker 2: all them breakaways, but then again, it was Connor Doer

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Speaker 2: a career high in goals, but i'd i'd pick somebody

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there was definitely a bit of a slower

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Speaker 2: I thought New Jersey had the better of the play

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Speaker 1: Tall steadied it. Yeah, and then that's.

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Speaker 2: What makes him the goaltender for Latvia. Well, the backup anyway.

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Speaker 3: The second period was just kind of like malays whatever,

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Speaker 3: some breakaway chances because they were off for two weeks.

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Speaker 1: That's a long time. New Jersey owing two right Olympics.

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Speaker 2: You got Jack Hughes waving to the crowd in Jersey

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Speaker 2: waving to the crowd in Pittsburgh, and I loved it.

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Speaker 2: But then he can't score. They can't score. But I

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Speaker 2: take it as seriously as your job dictates when you

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Speaker 2: just want an Olympic gold medal. As a great man

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Speaker 2: once said, how you're going to keep him down on

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Speaker 2: the farm Once they've seen Carl Hungis.

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Speaker 3: The Devils are just they're done right now. As far

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Speaker 3: as their season is concerned. He and I think they're

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Speaker 2: They are what's going. They're going a good coach with

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Speaker 2: Sheldon Keith. I think Fitz he's a good GM. For

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Speaker 2: whatever reason, They've just never got started this year.

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Speaker 1: And they won't now. They won't make some late push

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Speaker 1: because of this.

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Speaker 3: So Jack is in Indy right now doing McAfee show,

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Speaker 3: like on set the team's in Saint Louis tomorrow, so

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Speaker 3: like he pg'd out there to Indy instead of with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he should. Hey, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: You've got to take advantage of this opportunity, not just

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Speaker 3: the Devils are cooked. There's just there's no focus on

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Speaker 2: I feel good that Jack's doing interviews with in depth

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Speaker 2: hockey experts like Pat McAfee and Jimmy Fallon.

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Speaker 1: No doubt.

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Speaker 2: I thought Raquel was fine at center, but that line

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Speaker 2: didn't do a lot. Avery Hayes played great. He was

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Speaker 1: They all missed some chances.

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Speaker 3: Raquel set him up for a really nailed on chance

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Speaker 3: in front of the net, and he just he couldn't

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Speaker 1: That's fine.

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Speaker 3: Had that one backhand opportunity to couldn't get that over

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Speaker 3: They were in the play. They they need to finish.

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Speaker 3: That's what the top line needs to do. They need

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Speaker 3: to score goals. Well that's what they said about Heather Hunter.

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Speaker 3: Gino had the two helpers, and I like the way

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Speaker 3: No, no doubt about it, and that that's very encouraging

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Speaker 3: And he's played extremely well at wing and producing in

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Speaker 3: flowers too, because he's He's played again a really good

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Speaker 3: game centering those two. China koffin Maalcon. He scored the

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Speaker 2: And that is why you just cannot move Geno to center.

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Speaker 2: That lines their number one line. Chinnikoff's the guy who's

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Speaker 2: gonna pick it up for Sid. Yeah, and we're already

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Speaker 2: seeing signs of that. Last night. I saw Gerard got hurt.

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Speaker 2: I thought he played a pretty good game in his

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Speaker 2: first as a Penguin. But he is making the trip

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Speaker 2: New York's Suprema Pizza.

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Speaker 3: Now, you were mentioned earlier if if Carlson Orla Tang

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Speaker 3: He'd be the guy that would try to slide into

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Speaker 3: that role, that more puck moving role, kind of take

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's lefty. It would be a little bit

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Speaker 3: He's playing anyway, right, but still, I'm just trying to

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Speaker 3: think of somebody outside of the box who could do that.

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Speaker 3: He'll be fine, though, I bet you he plays at

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Speaker 3: worst case scenario after this weekend when Bruins come to town.

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Speaker 2: And they survived X amount of games right before the

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Speaker 2: break with Ott Latang. So I just it just a

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Speaker 2: lot depends on how far you think you can get

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs, if you think you could win more

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk a little Steeler report card at the

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Speaker 2: bottom of the hour. American hero Vince Trocheck right here

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Speaker 2: on one oh five ninety x eight ten basketball is

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Speaker 2: to talk Steelers report card One's supposed to be public,

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Speaker 2: but it got leaked.

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Speaker 1: I assume the NFLPA did the leaking and right to ESPN.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't surprised to see the Steelers excoriated like they

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Speaker 2: The Steelers finished last. Overall, the field sucks, the facility suck,

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Speaker 2: not enough toilets.

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Speaker 1: Hey, it's a cheap organization.

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Speaker 2: The reason Roman Wilson never gets a helmet is because

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Speaker 2: and I say rock on. Jerry Dulac said they're gonna

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Speaker 2: So let's talk to Tommy Football, Tom what should the

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: What is worse? Not enough toilets? That's kind of weird.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you think about everybody that's around the locker room,

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Speaker 1: To have five stalls, that's really bad. Hey, you can

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Speaker 3: I think, and this is something that wasn't you know,

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Speaker 3: the most embarrassing thing is that condition of the field.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a billion dollar organization or entity

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Speaker 1: Oh the franchise is worth almost seven billions.

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Speaker 3: To be that far behind from some of the other

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Speaker 1: And you know, you you bring up the pit thing

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Speaker 2: Takes sense to me. Art's cheap. His dad was cheap,

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Speaker 2: the grandfather was cheap. They're all cheap. The kid'll be

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Speaker 1: It is a very simple solution.

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Speaker 3: It's just an influx of money, and and they'll make

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Speaker 3: the high school teams. But you see other stadiums that

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Speaker 2: They're not qualified. I don't know that, but I'd guarantee it.

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Speaker 2: That's the way the Steelers operate. It's somebody's nephews, somebody's kid.

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Speaker 2: You know, you inherited the grounds crew job when they

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Speaker 2: They should have fired and started over. But that's not

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Speaker 2: the way they operate. But but one thing, I'll go

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Speaker 2: off the board for one thing, Tom. Maybe the players

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Speaker 3: I think you got to take these reports with a

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Speaker 3: the players are just divas and they want more.

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Speaker 2: And most of them, quite frankly, aren't very bright. And

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Speaker 1: And here's something else.

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Speaker 3: You know, they come from colleges that you know, think

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Speaker 1: I see see school.

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Speaker 2: Oh much better facilities and a field than the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Not just the Steelers though, Like that happens to a

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Speaker 1: Disparity in Pittsburgh. You come to Pittsburgh shock into these.

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Speaker 3: Like folding chairs, you know what I mean, are sitting

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Speaker 1: It's just for chairs. I was just pulling an example

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Speaker 2: Benches a little yeah, like like, well the Penguins do too,

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Speaker 2: but like I think things locker room.

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Speaker 1: Though, it's nice. I bet it's nicer than the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the Bamas in the Texas have like

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Speaker 3: of them where they can keep like their gatorades and snacks.

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Speaker 2: Remember when they got that vibrating lounge chaer to give

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Speaker 3: While sitting in it, and then one by one the

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Speaker 1: For the chair. He got pissed. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now now to me and you touched this a moment ago,

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Speaker 2: the facilities and field being substandard is inexcusable. The franchise

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Speaker 2: is worth, it says right here, six point eight five billion.

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Speaker 2: And they got bald spots on their playing surface that

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Speaker 2: you can see on TV and Tom I've been told

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Speaker 2: you know how they cover up the bald spots on

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Speaker 2: game day green paint.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, little spray paint out there.

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Speaker 3: Nice, that obviously would's described or that would explain why

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Steelers just pretend to be first

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Speaker 1: These are cheap.

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Speaker 3: It's in their DNA and it's just to me that

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Speaker 3: takes a little bit of research into who's a good

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Speaker 1: Now they disguised being cheap by spending.

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Speaker 2: To the cap one player with the players, they could

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Speaker 2: point on that because they do want to win, Yes,

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Speaker 2: they just don't want to pay what it takes to

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Speaker 2: they ain't done such a good job with the roster

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Speaker 2: for the past decade. But that makes the question, if

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Speaker 2: a playoff game in almost a decade, why do they

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Speaker 2: stay in these players who voted so negatively about the franchise.

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Speaker 2: I think their phony because you never hear him say

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Speaker 3: Net never And to your point, why do they stay?

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Speaker 3: And also why did coach t get an a?

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Speaker 4: Again?

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Speaker 3: Like why if everything is just such crap in Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 3: why is he the only thing that you think is, oh,

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Speaker 3: he's the great shining light.

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Speaker 1: That's just I both know why.

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Speaker 2: It's because it's an African American locker room and they're

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Speaker 2: not going to criticize the pre eminent African American coach.

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Speaker 3: And on top and I also think it's because he's

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Speaker 3: a he's a very player friendly coach that it's not

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Speaker 2: Give an example of what what didn't make sense? Tara

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Speaker 2: Austin got a C. The defensive coordinator Tom a got

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Speaker 2: an A. But Tom Win's the real defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: Is there a disconnect in the actual locker room there

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Speaker 2: There's a whole lot of disconnects in that locker room.

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Speaker 2: That's how you don't win a playoff game for a decade. Uh,

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Speaker 2: real quick, Tom, how much is Pitt playing their factor

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Speaker 1: For sure?

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Speaker 2: In the practice facility and not only damages the field,

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Speaker 2: it just looks small time.

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Speaker 1: It is a factor for both for both Pitt and

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, the Steelers more, but absolutely it is a factor.

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Speaker 3: But again, you just pay the freight to make sure

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Speaker 3: that it's not a factor. Other teams do it. Miami

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Speaker 3: the NFL. Miami Hurricanes play there every Saturday too. Up next,

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Speaker 3: I've known this guy since he was a teenager. I'm

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Speaker 2: You can stream the X and US The Woody Show

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Speaker 2: on the free iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: App weekday mornings at six one five ninety X the

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Speaker 3: hour of the Mark Ben Show is brought to you

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Speaker 3: by Micheloi Bultra proudly served a tequila cowboy on the

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Speaker 1: Stopping tequila Cowboy, I enjoy five dollars. Mickeltl Bolcha bables out.

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Speaker 2: My guest right now is an Olympic gold medalist eighteen

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Speaker 2: for eighteen on the PK and he and another Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: Canada got a five on three power play. He is

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Speaker 2: Vince Trocheck. Vince, I don't know where to start, but

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Speaker 2: I was worried you might lose it in the aftermath.

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Speaker 4: Mark, how we doing? Man? I actually do I got it.

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Speaker 4: It's uh, it's it's safe at the house. I got

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: I did wear it the first night out, which was

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Speaker 2: Hey, what was that five one three p K? Like

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Speaker 4: It was? Uh, it was honestly whenever we took that

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Speaker 4: it was basically just sell out and do whatever we

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Speaker 1: To get that kill. What do you do? What's the strategy?

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure you're not thinking too much about who

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Speaker 1: A good idea.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you can't. I mean, you obviously know who's

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Speaker 2: good everything in that tournament?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we know him everything. He was outstanding.

441
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Speaker 4: Here's our best player, very clearly, and he is a

442
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Speaker 4: huge part.

443
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Speaker 2: Of why we won that game. I felt like your

444
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 2: team had more legs at the end, Vince. I feel

445
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 2: like Sally rolled four lines and maybe Cooper wore out

446
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Speaker 2: his stars.

447
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Speaker 1: Do you think that that surfaced at the game's end.

448
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I mean, I know that he had

449
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Speaker 4: paid attention a little bit to Canada's games before our game,

450
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Speaker 4: and we saw that their top six had been playing

451
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Speaker 4: quite a bit, and I think when you looked at

452
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 4: our team's minutes post game every game, they were all

453
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Speaker 4: fairly even. Our top six played a little bit more obviously,

454
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Speaker 4: but they weren't playing twenty to twenty five minutes every night.

455
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Speaker 4: They were more like sixteen seventeen minute range. So I mean,

456
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 4: definitely could have had a factor. I'm not one hundred

457
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Speaker 4: percent sure, but we definitely had juice late and we

458
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Speaker 4: had the right guys in the ice.

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Speaker 2: What's that exact moment like for you the bench for

460
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Speaker 2: everybody when JACKU scores, because you could kind of see

461
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Speaker 2: it setting up when the puck went.

462
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Speaker 1: The other way.

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Speaker 4: It was just, I mean, I don't even know how

464
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Speaker 4: to explain it. It was just pure euphoria, like that

465
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 4: puck goes in the net and we don't really even

466
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 4: see it at first, could get it gets stuck underneath

467
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Speaker 4: the pad, but as soon as you see the crowd react,

468
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Speaker 4: I blacked out.

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Speaker 1: What are the U's brothers like?

470
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Speaker 2: Because they're America's sweethearts now and rightly, so it seems

471
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 2: like what we see is what everybody gets, right, Yeah, what.

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Speaker 4: You see is what you get. They're both I mean,

473
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Speaker 4: they're awesome. They're phenomenal guys, very humble, soft spoken. They're

474
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 4: just one of the guys and they love the game

475
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 4: of hockey. And the two Hughes brothers end up scoring

476
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Speaker 4: the two time goals that helped us win the gold medal,

477
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Speaker 4: and it was just everything about them is so lovable.

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Speaker 1: Vince.

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Speaker 2: I think every team that wins is close. I think

480
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Speaker 2: that's a byproduct of winning. But it seems like the

481
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 2: closeness of this group probably went a little bit beyond that.

482
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Speaker 2: I see you guys are already talking about reunions, et

483
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Speaker 2: cetera getting together this summer.

484
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Speaker 1: That part of it must be amazing too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about it a little bit early on. Actually,

486
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Speaker 4: there was just a feeling about halfway through the tournament

487
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Speaker 4: that we had that we kind of talked to each

488
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Speaker 4: other and we're like, we're winning. We're going to win

489
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Speaker 4: this gold medal just because of how close we are.

490
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Speaker 4: And you could tell how much each and every guy

491
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Speaker 4: in that locker room cared about the guy next to them,

492
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Speaker 4: and I think that went such a long way.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Vincetrochech Olympic gold medalist Pittsburgh z own

494
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Speaker 2: here on one oh five nine the X Vinch. When

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Speaker 2: you were a kid, is this what you dreamed about?

496
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Speaker 2: And how close did what happened come to your dream?

497
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Speaker 2: Not just for you but for your family, everybody involved.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's this is something that I think every kid

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Speaker 4: that grows up playing USA hockey dreams of. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we've talked about it at nauseum at this point, but

501
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Speaker 4: we everyone has seen the movie Miracle and Trapped about

502
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,719
Speaker 4: being on that nineteen eighty Olympic team and what they

503
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Speaker 4: were able to do was so massive for hockey in

504
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Speaker 4: the United States. Uh So we all dreamed. We all

505
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Speaker 4: dreamt about being able to play on the Olympics one day,

506
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Speaker 4: and it's been tough for a lot of the guys

507
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Speaker 4: on that team. Most of the guys on that team,

508
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Speaker 4: we haven't really had an opportunity to play in the Olympics.

509
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Speaker 4: So to be able to do it and to go

510
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Speaker 4: over there and win a gold medal, it definitely exceeded

511
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Speaker 4: our expectations of what our dream was.

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Speaker 2: If there's a movie made about this, who would play you?

513
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Speaker 2: I figure Shalla May would play one of the U's brothers, maybe.

514
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Speaker 4: Both, I don't know. My wife said someone had set

515
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 4: the message to her. They were searching on Jack Gpt

516
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 4: who would play me in a movie, and there was

517
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Speaker 4: a long list of guys that it was just an

518
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Speaker 4: outrageous thought to have.

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Speaker 2: Did it mean even more to you that JT was involved,

520
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: because you guys go way back, You're very close.

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Speaker 1: It was almost like another set of brothers on that team.

522
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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. It was like, it's so surreal. Obviously,

523
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Speaker 4: you talk about how we were able to share the

524
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Speaker 4: moment with our families. I had a bunch of family

525
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Speaker 4: over there, my wife and kids, my in laws, my parents,

526
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Speaker 4: my sisters, like everybody came, so I was able to

527
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Speaker 4: share the moment with that my kids. But like you said,

528
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Speaker 4: it's almost like having JT over there in his family.

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Speaker 5: It was.

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Speaker 4: It was adding even more family to it. And he

531
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Speaker 4: was one of the first guys that I went up

532
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Speaker 4: to after Jack scored the goal, And it's just that

533
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 4: moment was like, it was emotional, and it's just so

534
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 4: surreal that that we've come this far, didn't play together

535
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Speaker 4: for such a long time in our careers, after posting

536
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 4: in the NHL, growing up together, playing together, and then

537
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Speaker 4: to play together in New York, and then make the

538
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Speaker 4: Olympic team together when when both of us, let's be honest,

539
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 4: we're bubble guys to make the team and lucky, lucky

540
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: enough for us, Billy and and Sully had trust us

541
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Speaker 4: to go over there and do a job, and it

542
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 4: all just kind of came full circle.

543
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Speaker 2: Well, staying with that bubble guy thing, there were those

544
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Speaker 2: who thought that that you shouldn't be there. Did that

545
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: motivate and do you feel vindicated now or are you

546
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Speaker 2: kind of beyond that after winning?

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Speaker 4: No, it did it for sure? Did? I mean? Me

548
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 4: and him were not naive to the fact that there's

549
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 4: obviously a lot of hockey players from the United States

550
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 4: the NHL. There are really good hockey players, and some

551
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Speaker 4: of them with better skill and more scoring, touch this

552
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 4: and that. But whenever Billy called upon us, like I

553
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 4: said it was, it was to do a job that

554
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 4: was kind of different from from those guys and to

555
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Speaker 4: maybe be a thirteenth forward. Like for me going into it,

556
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 4: I was thirteenth forward the first couple of games to

557
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 4: take key draws. I was sent out there and take

558
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 4: these one draws and get off the ice kill penalties,

559
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Speaker 4: and and for them to trust that we could do

560
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Speaker 4: the job. That was it was more just being able

561
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Speaker 4: to prove them right, like we wanted to prove Billy

562
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Speaker 4: right and in his choices, So that was a lot

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Speaker 4: of the motivation. And obviously being able to do it

564
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 4: go over there be eighteen for eighteen on the penalty kill.

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Speaker 4: It was definitely vindicated.

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Speaker 2: I know we don't have all day to go into detail,

567
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: but what was it like between us as goal and

568
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: then returning to the Rangers. I'm assuming you followed through

569
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Speaker 2: on your on ice pledge to get fed up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all a blur at this point. We we're

571
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Speaker 4: back now. I mean, we already played a game, but

572
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 4: we haven't stopped. Like we went from from the game

573
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Speaker 4: to the party with the families right after the game

574
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Speaker 4: in Milan, to a four am boughts to fly from

575
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Speaker 4: Milan to Miami. It was supposed to be to New York,

576
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 4: but the weather detoured us to Miami. To as soon

577
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 4: as we land, we go to dinner, we have a

578
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: celebration in Miami, to the next day we fly right

579
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Speaker 4: to DC go to the White House, the capital for

580
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 4: the state of the Union. So right after that, flying

581
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 4: back to New York to practicing the next More so,

582
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: it's been like NonStop. We haven't really had time to

583
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: sit and even think about it all. But it exceeded.

584
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Speaker 4: Like I said, it exceeded all of our expectations, and

585
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Speaker 4: I just didn't want it to end.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's potentially a bit more on your plate than

587
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: for some because there's rumors you might be on the

588
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: move by the deadline next week.

589
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Speaker 1: So it never slows down, does it.

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Speaker 4: No, it doesn't. And it's part of the job, right,

591
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Speaker 4: Like we all signed up for this whenever we decided

592
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 4: to play hockey for a living. So it's all part

593
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 4: of it, and it's all part of the fun too.

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Speaker 1: What happens next? You're thirty two, you have a lot

595
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: of hockey left, But how can you top this?

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Speaker 2: If you thought about that, I mean, I mean, you

597
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: could win a Stanley Cup and in some ways this

598
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: can't be duplicated.

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00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 4: Ever, Yeah, I mean that's the goal, right, The Stanley

600
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 4: Cup is obviously that everybody dreams of. I talked, I

601
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 4: actually talked. I obviously haven't won a Stanley Cup, so

602
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 4: I don't know. But we had seen a few things

603
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 4: on social media about how a Stanley Cup is is

604
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 4: something more important than a gold medal and this and that.

605
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Speaker 4: So I talked to a couple of the guys on

606
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Speaker 4: TV USA about it, guys that had won Stanley Cups,

607
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Speaker 4: and basically it was like, is that true?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 4: Does this not live up to that, and the common

610
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 4: consensus was that it did. And it's it's different, for sure,

611
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 4: but it's as it's equal to winning a Stanley Cup.

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Speaker 4: Just because of the rarity of it and how it's

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00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 4: every four years, and how it's been forty six years

614
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 4: since USA has done it, it obviously will be tough

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Speaker 4: to top.

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Speaker 2: Well, Vincenzo, thanks for taking the time. I could not

617
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Speaker 2: be happier. Can I see the gold medal this summer?

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Speaker 2: Can you?

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Speaker 1: Can you not lose it between now and then?

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00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 4: Oh, it'll be tight, So I got you make sure

621
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Speaker 4: that we it's intact by the time I see you.

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Speaker 1: Vince. Thanks again.

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Speaker 2: Not too much luck against the Penguins tomorrow because we

624
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: need the points. But after that, keep on keeping.

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Speaker 1: On all right?

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Speaker 4: Sounds good, Mark, Thank you very much.

627
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Speaker 2: That's Vince Trocheck again. Seriously, could not be happy for him,

628
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Speaker 2: who I've known since he was a kid. JT, who

629
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Speaker 2: I don't know as well. But I mean, my god,

630
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: those guys went out there in very specific roles, like

631
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: Vince talked about and did the business. I'd like that

632
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Speaker 2: line at the beginning, A red, white and blue steel curtain.

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Speaker 2: They should make a movie about it. They could call

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Speaker 2: it a hockey town. What oh five nine X.

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Speaker 5: Tomorrow afternoon, the Penns square up against the Rangers. Game

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Speaker 5: time is twelve thirty. Our coverage starts at eleven thirty.

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Speaker 5: Listen to every game and the best Penn's coverage on

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Speaker 4: From the one oh five nine ex Weather Center.

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Speaker 1: Cloudy with a bit of sun today in warmer high

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Speaker 1: at fifty four, mainly clear skies tonight dropping down to

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Speaker 1: thirty nine. Thanks to Vince Trocheck for taking the time.

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Speaker 2: I know everything's a whirlwind for him right now, so

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Speaker 2: I am most depreciative. That's one of the favorite segments

646
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Speaker 2: I've done in thirty glorious years of radio. He just

647
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: summed everything up, said what needed to Just fantastic stuff

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Speaker 2: from Vince Trocheck.

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Speaker 1: And I want to mention too, besides Vincent JT.

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Speaker 2: Miller, that group of players that came through together in

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh hockey, like Vincent JT, Johnny Whitehall, John Gibson, who's

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Speaker 2: ripping it up in goal for Detroit this year first

653
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Speaker 2: year with the Red Wings, Matt Barkowski who's so often

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Speaker 2: on the show, Brandon Sod who's a little bit older,

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Speaker 2: but I think him in that same group. That's a

656
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: great group of players and a great group of guys,

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Speaker 2: and their success at all the levels they've played at

658
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Speaker 2: really broke Pittsburgh hockey wide open. Pittsburgh hockey had been

659
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: taken seriously before that group came along, but like I said,

660
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: that that took it to the next level in terms

661
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: of awareness.

662
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: So Pittsburgh owes that group debt of gratitude.

663
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: They paved the way for a lot of guys and

664
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 2: now Vincent JP or gold medal winners, and it's just incredible.

665
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was gonna happen, but it did.

666
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: And like I said, I I have really warmed up

667
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: to the id even though my god, I saw Sid

668
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: last night of the game having to watch.

669
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: Yikes, he just hates the watch.

670
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 4: Not me.

671
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: I like to watch. Uh, Tom, what are we off

672
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: for the trifectum? For the day's triffective Mark?

673
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: It feels weird after such great hockey talk with Vince,

674
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: But I got a bucko trifecta today.

675
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: I got three? Do you want me to change it?

676
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: On the fly rop Oh no, no, but boo pirates

677
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: talk is fun right now?

678
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 4: Though.

679
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: Three moves that they absolutely have to make on the

680
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: opening day roster, risks that they have to use. I

681
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: think on the opening day roster. Number three for me

682
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: is they should make Bart the everyday starting catcher. They

683
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: need to rely on his offense more than the defensive

684
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: deficiencies that he might bring to the table. And I

685
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 3: know Skeens loves to play with Henry Davis, so let

686
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: him pitch the Davis as Chandler. But everybody else needs

687
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: to play with Bart. I mean BARTI Chandler don't get

688
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: to college show. No, he's not there yet, so it

689
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: should be Bart. I also would keep an eye on Endy.

690
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 3: Would you keep an eye on Endy Rodriguez still see

691
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: if his bat comes around at all.

692
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: I don't think his heart will come around at all.

693
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: I think he's a unit. He's hurt all the time

694
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: and all the time all the time. And when you're

695
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: hurt all the time, you're either too frail or don't

696
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: got enough guts.

697
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: Number two is to start Hunter Barco in the rotation.

698
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: They're gonna start Carmen Maljinski. He's better served in the

699
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: bullpen though, that would make their bullpen really good.

700
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: You absolutely have to start a lefty, But don't you

701
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: think they're going to use a six man rotation, at

702
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: least initially.

703
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: Initially, yes, a lot of off days. I could see

704
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: maybe Barco sliding in. Is that six guy and have

705
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 3: him pitched like two innings right, and then go to

706
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: the bullpen.

707
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,239
Speaker 2: I think he's got to I mean, if you use

708
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: him to lead off a rotation day, but I'd even

709
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: look at him to do a bit more than.

710
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: That I've done, to pitch five innings, try to have

711
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: him be a starter. He's twenty five years old.

712
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: Mark. At some point, don't you have to get to

713
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: the big leagues and prove it. Unless they've concluded he's

714
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: not good enough. Well, he's a three point zero four

715
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: and forty seven minor starts. It's time. It's time to

716
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: just figure it out.

717
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: Well, no, it's time to either either put him in

718
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: the major leagues and find out or conclude he's a

719
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: four shah fair enough.

720
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, But the number one and the most obvious one

721
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 3: is that he just have to start Connor Griffin on

722
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 3: opening Day. It's insane the buzz that he has right now.

723
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 3: I mean it's almost every day you see a new

724
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: soundclip coming out from people in the baseball world talking

725
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: about Connor Griffin. It's really crazy the hype around him.

726
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: Everybody seems to think he's this can't miss guy. Just

727
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 3: just let's see it happen right away on March twenty six,

728
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: whenever the opening day is, he should start.

729
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: I do think he's a can't miss guy.

730
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: But it's really funny how his career is already being extrapolated,

731
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: like you know, he's going to sign this long term

732
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: deal and he won't. And they're not even talking the

733
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: Pirates and Connor Griffin about a long term deal, yet

734
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: everybody continues to fantasize. And I heard our guy, Kevin

735
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: Gorman from the Trib today talking about how he thinks

736
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 2: they'll move him to another position because if he gets

737
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: to like the two forty, because he's two twenty five now,

738
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: that'll be too big for shortstop. And they also think

739
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: the wear and tear of him playing shortstop, you know,

740
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: would detract from his bat. So so why don't we

741
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: just let him play a game and get in at baton.

742
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: We're already starting to tinker with his position.

743
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: Again, Like we talked about this with Skiens so much,

744
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 3: the Pirates should just not tell Skeens what to do

745
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: at all. Skean should tell them what to do. And

746
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna pitch gri Griffin maybe should be the

747
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: same mold. I'm just gonna go out and play shortstop

748
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: and play baseball. You don't worry about, you know, putting

749
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: me in right field or seeing if I could be

750
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 3: a first basement or something like that.

751
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: I can only quote too regarding the catching position, the

752
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: great Bob Walk who is set often he'd rather have

753
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: a catcher hit a three run home run than be

754
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: a guy who's great at calling a game or framing

755
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: pitches or whatever minutia the defensive catchers do. Now I'm

756
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: not saying, and I'm I know Waukie would not either

757
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: that those duties aren't valuable. But I think if they're

758
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: at the forefront, that guy isn't necessarily a starting catcher in.

759
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: The MLB, no doubt.

760
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: And now I'm not saying Joey Bart's Mike Piazza and

761
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 3: he's going to hit, you know, forty home runs for you,

762
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 3: but he is more likely to have those three yrun

763
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: home runs.

764
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: That will help.

765
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 3: And isn't framing pitches less valuable than ever now too?

766
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 3: With the ABS, the automated balls and strike system, they're

767
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 3: just gonna review it and you're not gonna be able

768
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: to frame.

769
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can't review every pitch.

770
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 2: Well, you can if you keep winning, right, Yeah, I

771
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: mean the teams will have access to ABS.

772
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: You'd have to think so Yeah, I.

773
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 2: Mean, I mean if you're guessing, I mean, because without

774
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 2: ABS you couldn't guess from the dugout perspective about those calls.

775
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: You could look on TV because they're gonna be watching,

776
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 2: you know, they got that feed. But but I don't know,

777
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: I would assume they'll have access to ABS. Tom, did

778
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: you see there is a there are a figures being

779
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: mooted for what the cap, floor and cap would be

780
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: if they're If there's a salary cap in MLB, it

781
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: would be between one hundred and forty and one hundred

782
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: and sixty MILI for the four, which would make the

783
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: Pirates add like fifty million in payroll, and the cap

784
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 2: would be two sixty to two eighty. And what will

785
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: be hilarious and it will happen, Tom, The players will

786
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: turn that down for sure. I mean they're going to

787
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: turn down any first proposal, probably every proposal that involves

788
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: a cap, unless you know the owners are willing to

789
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: lose an entire year, which I think they might be

790
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: willing to do. But if you adopted those figures for

791
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: the cap, four or five teams could spend less based

792
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: on current payroll, and twelve or thirteen would have to

793
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 2: spend more, a lot more in most cases like the Pirates. Yeah,

794
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 2: but the players would still turn that down. They would

795
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: see that the total money taken in by the players

796
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: as a group, from top to bottom, the rank and

797
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: file of the union membership would be more and it

798
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: is right now, but they'll turn it down because the

799
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: stars don't want their earning limited. And that shows you

800
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 2: that sports rich people in any walk of life tom

801
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: should not have a union because it's always gonna be

802
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: to defend the very highest earners. They're not putting in

803
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: a hard twelve at J and L. They're all, you know,

804
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: some degree of millionaire and it's just stupid. But the

805
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: lower level players will get bullied by the upper level

806
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 2: players and more importantly, the agents of the upper level players.

807
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: That's that the agents will have the ear of whoever

808
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 3: the MLBPA head is now after Tony Clark had to

809
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 3: step down, whoever they decide that's going to be like,

810
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: they'll have, you know, all of the ways to communicate there,

811
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 3: they'll be able to get their spin out there in

812
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 3: the media. As far as that's not a good idea

813
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 3: for the the propaganda if you will, why this isn't

814
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: a good idea for the players for there to be

815
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: a cap So, yeah, no doubt it is something that

816
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: they will vote against their own interest.

817
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: For tom Did you know Linda Cohen blocks me on Twitter?

818
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: You showed me that.

819
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: It's very surprising, Yeah, because I mean she's been on

820
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: the show where several times be an accident, right, it

821
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: has to be.

822
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean, well, then you know who else blocks me?

823
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: Chris Jericho, who's one of my closest friends because ae

824
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: W you know, doesn't like me. So I think that

825
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: they just you know, went on his account and blocked me.

826
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 3: I wonder why Linda would block you though, did you

827
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: say something maybe just annoying that she blocked you one

828
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: day that that's a little harsh though I'd been one

829
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: of her biggest boosters, not that she needs me and

830
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: she loves you too.

831
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: She's always willing to come on when I ask her to.

832
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: And her kid was an intern for the Peng Was

833
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: and I was very nice. This has to be a

834
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: mistake and it needs to be fixed immediately.

835
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: Or it's secret hatred, Tom, their secret hatred out there

836
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: in America.

837
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: You may have noticed one oh five ninety x