1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: I'm Chris Merrill, listening anytime on demand of the iHeart 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 2: Radio app Mark. I meant to bring this up to 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: you in the last segment, I ran out of time 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: because we were going through the history George Michael's public exposure. 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 3: But you had a what is it. The word of 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 3: the year is parasocial. 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. It's the Cambridge Dictionary twenty twenty five 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 4: word of the Year. Parasocial. It's a connection that someone 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 4: feels between themselves and a famous person they don't know, 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 4: including fictional characters and AI. 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, when it comes to celebrities you 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: don't know, isn't that cult stalking? 14 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: This kind of a legal gray area? 15 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: There isn't there Have you run into that though, because 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: you've been in you've been in the public eye for 17 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: a while. And look I this. You have people that 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: really think, oh, I know that person, they're on the radio, 19 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: we're friends. 20 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: And I get it too. 21 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: Look I see celebrities that I go, oh, man, I 22 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: would love to hang out with that guy. I would 23 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: love to hang out that They seem so cool. I 24 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: think we'd get along famously. Right, But they don't know me, right, 25 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: that's the big deal. Like, they don't it's a one 26 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: sided relationship. 27 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: They don't know me. 28 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, people are generally cool. But once in my first 29 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 4: newspaper job, somebody made a fan page for me with 30 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 4: my face reproduced all over the page and the eyes 31 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 4: whiteed out, which really creeped me a Really, people are 32 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 4: generally cool and they understand. Harlan Ellison used to have 33 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 4: a story that he would tell about the guy who 34 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 4: played Hass on Bonanza. Yeah, like random women in real 35 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 4: life would approach the actor Dan Blocker and be like, 36 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 4: you get rid of that hop sing, I'll cook you 37 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 4: a good meal, And he's like, well, well you know, ma'am, 38 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 4: it's just a television show. 39 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: You know, it's fiction. Wow, creepy. I think most people 40 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: are cool and they get it. 41 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think most people are. I agree with you, 42 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: But then there are a few that, you know. I'm 43 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: sure we'd get along famously, but I don't know you, 44 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: and we still have to go through the preliminary stages 45 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: of me getting to know you. You think you know me 46 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: inside out. It puts me in a bit of a disadvantage, 47 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: and that kind of scares me when you're like, so 48 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: is your wife still doing that stuff for insurance companies? 49 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: Like whoa wait a minute, hang on now, you. 50 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 4: Know, yeah, do you ever approach anybody if you see 51 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 4: a celebrity in town? 52 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 3: I have not. I have not. I don't either never. 53 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 2: I but I get I get what if I notice 54 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: a celebrity go oh that's so and so right. I 55 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 2: do get excited, but I don't get I don't turn 56 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 2: into a fanboy, except generally if it's like radio people. 57 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: Like like I. 58 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: I'm only half joking when I say I'm a fanboy 59 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: of Tim Conway JUNR. 60 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 5: Like. 61 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: I think he's incredible and one of the most talented 62 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 2: people I've I've I've ever met, and I used to 63 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: listen to him driving home every night, and I was 64 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 2: so excited when I got a chance to meet Tim. 65 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: But of course, he's such a magnanimous guy, and you know, 66 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: he's he's he's got as much energy off the air 67 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: as he does on the air, and anybody's ever met 68 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: him knows that. So I got a little bit starstruck 69 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: when I met Tim. Not so much handle but Tim 70 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: definitely Nah. 71 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: It was cool. One time I was filling in. 72 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: I guess Gary and Shannon had the show at the time, 73 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: and I was filling in for them doing Middays. And 74 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: this was years ago, and I was prepping and and 75 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: Bill came back and he just you know, started talking, 76 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: saying hi, and I, honestly, I was a little bit nervous. 77 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: I was a little excited because you know, Bill's Bill's 78 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: a big deal, not just in LA but in the industry. 79 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 2: And I had listened to Bill even before I came 80 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: to California because of handle on the law, and I 81 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 2: was I was really excited to do that. And and honestly, 82 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: it sounds like I'm kissing up to him every night. 83 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: But whenever we talk with George Nori at the end 84 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: of this show, I think George is just an incredibly 85 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: talented person who who really knows how to put together 86 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: a show that just nails everything he's going after. 87 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: So I have tremendous respect for him. 88 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: But I'll get so starstruck with a lot of others, 89 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: a little nervous around it, but not not really starstruck. 90 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 4: I came close to sending a drink to Larry Slim 91 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 4: when I saw him at Craigs a few years ago. 92 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: Now, that would have been great, that's really cool. 93 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 4: But then I decided, you know, he's got a hundred 94 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 4: times the money that I have. It'll mean nothing to him. 95 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 4: And so I just minded my own business. I mean, 96 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 4: what helped is that I started my career doing tons 97 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 4: and tons of celebrity interviews. 98 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 3: So I'm very. 99 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 4: Conscious of what you could possibly say if you talk 100 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 4: to somebody that would have any meaning for them, or 101 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 4: what would just be an intrusion and they want you 102 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 4: to flee immediately. 103 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 104 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 2: And then the other thing too is sometimes we think 105 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: that they have a sense of humor that they like. 106 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: It's funny to us, but it's not to them. Have 107 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: you ever done that? I've made that faux pap? Before 108 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: I was interviewing, I was doing mornings outside of Kansas 109 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: City and I was interviewing Paullie Shore one time. Yeah, 110 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: and Paully came on. You know how it is when 111 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: they got to do a music morning show. It's just 112 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: misery for those guys. And you've took the wheeze. Yeah, 113 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: And so he comes on and I go first question, Pollie. 114 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: I said, Uh, do I send the bill to you 115 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: or to somebody else? For biodome because I want my 116 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 2: ten dollars back, right, And like, in my mind, that was. 117 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 3: Really funny, yeah, an icebreaker. Yeah, And to him it 118 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: was not. It was not funny. He did not think 119 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 3: that was funny. 120 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 4: I did that with David Carus, so you remember him 121 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 4: from CSI And yeah, of course, was it Hill Street 122 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 4: Blues or no, no, NYPD Blue one of. 123 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 6: Those shows have a strange death or something. 124 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, no no. He's retired from acting now. But 125 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 4: I was interviewing him for a movie called Jade, and 126 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 4: I wanted to ask him he had made history, I 127 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 4: said at the time, for showing his pasty white ass 128 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 4: on TV. And he turns to me and he's like, 129 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 4: you think it's pasty? I thought we were going to 130 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 4: come to blows. So you've really got to be careful 131 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 4: about it about how you read somebody's receptivity too. 132 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 2: But I think sometimes that's where that parasocial, that word 133 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: that you're talking about, kind of comes in. Where we 134 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: think we know them, and we think that we have 135 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: an idea of what the relationship between us is like, 136 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: and they don't even know us from Adam, you know. 137 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 3: So I get that. 138 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: I get it I will say I interviewed Keeper Sutherland 139 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: one time. Oh and he was a great interview that 140 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: he was doing twenty four at the time. And when 141 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: I did music radio, I did a lot of celebrity interviews. 142 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: I just don't do any anymore because you know, nobody 143 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 2: else come on my show. 144 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 3: But he was fantastic. 145 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: And I used to do this this bit at the 146 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: end of all of my interviews called friendly fire. So 147 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 2: I would just rattle off like five questions real fast. 148 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 2: I go, just give me the first thing that comes 149 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: to your mind, you know. So it'd be like warre 150 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: in the Middle East? Whose fault is it? 151 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 3: You know? 152 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: And they would always be like whoa you know? But 153 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: I would always ask one goofy one at the end. 154 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: And so I got to the last one, and I'm 155 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: doing this and I think I even have the music 156 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: bed still. It's one I use when whenever we do 157 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 2: a whip around. Yeah, I would do this, So we're 158 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 2: doing all right. Keep for Sutherland? Friendly fire. Last question, 159 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 2: bigger threat to America terrorists like the ones you fight 160 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: in your show twenty four or Christmas trees And if 161 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: you'll recall, yes, yes, there was a video that was 162 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: going wrong where he was just wasted and attacked a 163 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 2: Christmas tree. I think it was in a hotel lobby 164 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, and I mean it it went around, 165 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: and I mean it was kind of a it was 166 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: a ballsy move on my part. 167 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: To do that. He was the best. He just started dying. 168 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: He was like Christmas trees one hundred percent most dangerous 169 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: thing you'll ever encounter. But that was the role of 170 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: the dice though, wasn't it. Oh it definitely was. Yeah, 171 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: but he was he was great. He was great. So 172 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: that was that was an encounter. I like, I wanted 173 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: to come back to that parasocial thing, not just because 174 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: of the Cambridge Word of the Year, but because I 175 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: have a story tomorrow that I think you're gonna love. 176 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: You mentioned that it's not just knowing celebrities or fictional characters. 177 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: You also mentioned that it's like having a one way 178 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: relationship with AI with a yeah, right, and that's growing 179 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: more and more so I've got I have I have 180 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: a couple of stories on AI relationships tomorrow where not 181 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: only are they obviously interfering with you know, normal relationships, 182 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: but some people are really having difficulties separating truth from fiction. 183 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 4: Oh God, just get to blow up, doll. It's so intolerable. 184 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 4: But you're in the driver's seat on this one, and 185 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 4: I don't want to encourage me. 186 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: Excuse you? 187 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 4: Do you know? 188 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 6: My only time I've ever fangirled over a celebrity that 189 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 6: I encountered was with fran Dresser. 190 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: Oh what was that? 191 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 5: Right? 192 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: What's not to like about the name? 193 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 6: I was like, I cannot not approach this woman and 194 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 6: tell her how much. 195 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: I love her shirt. 196 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 6: She was beautiful and amazing and gracious and stunning. 197 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: I love to hear that she seems nice. 198 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 6: Oh she's beautiful, beautiful inside and out. She was so lovely. 199 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 6: She held my hand, she thought I was beautiful. We 200 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 6: just found for each other. 201 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: It was, Ah, that's so cool. Now I want to 202 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: meet her. She's the best. Yeah, all right. 203 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: I did want to give you an update because we 204 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: got the files that fizzle, the Epstein files. It looks 205 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: like they are going to come out. The President signed 206 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: that bill. That's the latest that we got that that 207 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: broke just before the show started to So what are 208 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: we gonna see? 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We're 245 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: gonna be broadcasting live on Friday. Conway is live his show. 246 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: In fact, I think he's doing an extra hour on Friday, right, Yeah, 247 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: four to eight, Smart and Final, your Belinda on your 248 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 2: Beer Linda Boulevard right up ninety one. 249 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: If you're one of the first two hundred. 250 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: And fifty, you're gonna get the special gift bag from 251 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: Smart and Final. And then on Saturday, Neil Savedra is 252 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: taking his Foody Show on the road, broadcasting live two 253 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: to five at Wendy's in Mission Viejo, Alicia Parkway. That 254 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: is in California, not in Nevada. Very good, Okay, So 255 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: that's what's happening. 256 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 3: Now that we're through that. 257 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: It looks like the Epstein files are coming out. Everything 258 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: is coming out. We're all gonna see everything. There will 259 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: be no more secrets. There's not gonna be a question 260 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: about who was there, who wasn't there, who was on 261 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: the plane, who was on the train, who was on 262 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: the automobile, who was on the island, who was there 263 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: for sex? And who was just there for the old dervs. 264 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 2: There will be no questions left at all. Those files 265 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 2: are coming out and we're going to know exactly what 266 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 2: everything is all about. 267 00:11:54,600 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 3: What's that? Oh we're not okay? All right? 268 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: So what we don't know is what's in the file. 269 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: We don't know what's going to be withheld. We don't 270 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: know whether the public is ever going to see proof 271 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: of this big list. You know that the Epstein list 272 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: that Pam Bondi told us existed, cash Bettel said it's there. 273 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: Then they both came out and said nope, investigations closed, 274 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: didn't turn up anything. Then Prince Andrew lost his royalty 275 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: card because because well he shouldn't have right, because it 276 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: was there was no list, and yet somehow he's on 277 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: a list that doesn't exist, and that's what cost him 278 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: his his his royal Nope, nope, uh, all. 279 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 3: Right, so what's on there? From ABC? 280 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 7: The House and Senate passed the bill to release the 281 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 7: Epstein files with just a single no vote between the 282 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 7: two chambers. And the bill has been ready for President 283 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 7: Trump to sign for hours and he has. The President 284 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 7: has until December first to sign it, and he did. 285 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 7: And once that happens, the files must be released within 286 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 7: thirty days. 287 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: Oh oh hey, on what's today? Is nineteen thirty days 288 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: from now? Oh, we're gonna get to see Epstein before Christmas? 289 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: Well that's fun? 290 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: Uh? 291 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: What is uh? What's the what's the Hanuka calendar look 292 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 2: like this year? Is that gonna be like on first 293 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: day of Honkah? I don't I don't know what the 294 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 2: calendar looks like this year? I mean, oh yeah, December fourteenth, 295 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: until sundown on December twenty second, is Honkkah. 296 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 3: So, oh, Honkah's surprise for people. 297 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: We'll keep the pressure up, pressure for the president to sign. 298 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 3: He did, and then pressure on. 299 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: The DOJ to release the full unredacted files. 300 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 3: No hiding, no game playing, no covering up. 301 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: There's concern that the Yeah, but they are going to 302 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: be redacted. Yeah, they are one to be redacted. 303 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 7: Full files won't actually be released, see the idea. Cities 304 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 7: of victims will be redacted. But so information that is 305 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 7: part of any current investigations. 306 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: Oh well, remember they closed all the investigations. Remember Pam Bondi, 307 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: the Attorney General, and Casprtel the FBI director and his 308 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 2: deputy director, Dan Bongino, who were all telling us throughout 309 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 2: the entire Biden administration about how Biden was covering up 310 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 2: for this pedophile, for this monster, this Jeffrey Epstein. And 311 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: then they actually got into the position to release the 312 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: files and they said, oh, you know what, there's nothing here. 313 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 2: We're closing the investigation. So Pim Bondi said, it was 314 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: on my desk, I just have to review it. And 315 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: then she said, oh, you know what, I guess it 316 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: was not my desk at all. It was gone darnedest thing. Yeah, 317 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: they declared that there was no client lists, no client list, 318 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: no list of traffic miners, no list of powerful associates. 319 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: They made all these claims and then they said, oh, 320 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: there's nothing here, and now there's additional pressure. So if 321 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: you'll recall, just like past week, the President said, we're 322 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: helping a new investigation into the Democrats. 323 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 3: Well, how convenient. 324 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: Now there's a new investigation and anything that's being investigated 325 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: can't be released because that's part of the investigation. 326 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: Huh, what a weird coincidence. 327 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 7: There were none of those until President Trump told the 328 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 7: Department of Justice to investigate Democrats, something the Attorney General 329 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 7: had previously said there was no need for. 330 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: Which is basically what I just said, but more entertainingly, 331 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 3: she was asked today what changed. 332 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: Information that has come for information? 333 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: Mostly that Congress is going to make us release this crap. 334 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: That's the information. The information is. We couldn't hide it 335 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: anymore and the issue is not going away. So because 336 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: of that information, we had to, you know, run interference. 337 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 8: There's information that new information, additional information. 338 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 5: Even if they do these what seemed to be partisan investigations. 339 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 5: That's another thing that bothers me about the announcement the 340 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 5: President made is he named Democrats, and so this shouldn't 341 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 5: be about political divides. So I hope that that was 342 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 5: sort of a bluff, and I hope that the DOJ 343 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 5: will release all the files. They do. 344 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 4: Think that there has not been a shift in Trump's 345 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 4: desire to have this information out. 346 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: I think that he has another way to keep it hidden. 347 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 3: Here. 348 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 7: Wow, have already been consequences of the files release. Former 349 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 7: Treasury Secretary and President of Harvard Larry Summers is stepping 350 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 7: back from public commitments, including from the board of Open AI, 351 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 7: over his continued relationship with Epstein. 352 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: Rimmers has shown terrible judgment, what I mean, like historically 353 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: bad judgment. You know what, as long as he was 354 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: getting away with it, nobody was questioning anything. 355 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 3: I think that's the big hangoup here. 356 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: You had a lot of rich and powerful that thought 357 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: they were above the law, right, that they were able 358 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: to take a bite from the forbidden fruit, that they 359 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: were able to indulge in whatever powerplay they were after 360 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: with these sex trafficked individuals. And now all of a 361 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: sudden it's coming to light and we're going, Oh, that's 362 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: just poor judgment. No, it's that poor judgment that's criminal 363 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 2: sexual conduct. 364 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 3: There's a big difference. 365 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 2: Poor judgment is when I point out a beautiful woman 366 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: to my. 367 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 3: Wife, man, she's hot. Nope, that's poor judgment. 368 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: Raping children, that's that's not just poor judgment, that's that's abhorrent. 369 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: You're going to the ninth circle of hell. Kind of oopsie, Daisy. 370 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 3: Right. I don't want to do any more politics tonight. 371 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't want to do anymore. 372 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: Instead, let's talk about how hose you are. How hosed 373 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: are you? You'll find out next. Chris Merrill, I am 374 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 2: six forty Oh, I've everywhere on the iHeartRadio. 375 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM sixty on demand. 376 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: I mean, Chris Merrill, If I am six forty more 377 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: stimulating talk listen on demand anytime in the iHeartRadio app. 378 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: Always love it when peop hit us up with the 379 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,239 Speaker 2: talkbacks too. If you're on the iHeartRadio app and hit 380 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: that talkback button to leave us some message. 381 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: Let us know what you know, you know what. I 382 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 3: always like to know. 383 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 2: What people are doing. If you're listening, Like, how are 384 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: you listening to the show. That's what I always love 385 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 2: to hear. I love it when you say, you know, oh, 386 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: I'm I'm in my garage and this is a great time. 387 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 3: And then you guys are really on and I heard 388 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 3: you say this thing. I love that. I love that. 389 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 2: And I listen to all the talkbacks, every single one 390 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: of them. Whether you hear it on the or not, 391 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 2: just know that I hear it. 392 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 3: So what is it that? This is what I love? 393 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 3: How are you listening to the show? What's going on? 394 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 3: You make my indica so much more enjoyable. Keep doing 395 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 3: what you're doing, my man. 396 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: Well that's good, all right, you know what, I take 397 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: it all back. 398 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: That's a you know what, stoner's unit. I love you too. 399 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: Don't wish anyone's mellow man, No, you know what, I 400 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 2: love you too. Thank you so much. I don't care 401 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 2: what I think. That's fantastic because listen, you have a 402 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 2: lot of choices when you get high, and I just 403 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: appreciate that you made the choice to listen to KFI 404 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: tonight while you're getting stoned. That's fantastic. You know, you 405 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,239 Speaker 2: have a lot of choices. You chose us, so thank you, 406 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: thank you for that. You're host especially if you're under forty. Yeah, 407 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 2: they got nothing. See, older Americans have locked into low 408 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 2: housing costs. They locked that in. I was I was 409 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: doing a breakdown on this. I was really diving into 410 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 2: the numbers, which it gets a little bit to squarely 411 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: when you try to start breaking them all out on 412 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: the radio. 413 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 3: But here's what you should know. 414 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: Basically, you could buy a house in nineteen seventy five 415 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 2: for something like forty two thousand dollars. Adjusted for inflation, 416 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: that'd be about two hundred fifty thousand dollars to day. 417 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 2: Now that's nationwide average. You probably know people that bought 418 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 2: places in California forty fifty years ago and they're like, oh, 419 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 2: we got this little place and we paid eighty grand 420 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 2: for it. Now it's worth eight, you know, eight hundred 421 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: and fifty thousand, or we got this this place, we 422 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 2: got it for one fifty and now it's worth two 423 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 2: million or more whatever it is, right or more. So 424 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: I think that that story is pretty common. Well, well 425 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: that's super duper, but the wages haven't kept up with that. 426 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: Wages have not kept up at the cost of real estate. 427 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 2: So if you're under forty, how do you possibly get ahead? 428 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: And let's also remember that eighty five trillion dollars in 429 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: wealth is in the hands of boomers right now. So 430 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: if you're not part of that generation that is sixty plus, 431 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 2: and the older you are in that generation, the more 432 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: likely you are to have accumulated and beholding a larger 433 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: that wealth, you're really hosed. In fact, the eighty five 434 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: trillion dollars in wealth that the Boomers hold represents nearly 435 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: double the amount of money that gen X has. Gen 436 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 2: X has like forty five trillion dollars in wealth. And 437 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 2: they also point this out. Think of all the millions 438 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 2: of gen xers that there are, at the fifty million 439 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: gen xers, right, thirty thirty million, fifty million gen x 440 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: or something like that, right, Elon Musk holds one percent 441 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: of all of the wealth of gen xers as one guy. 442 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: One guy holds all of that. So the better for worse. 443 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 2: I'm not condemning the guy for doing it. I'm just 444 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: taking a look at the numbers, and that means that 445 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: of that forty five trillion dollars the gen X has, 446 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 2: which is barely over half of what the Boomers have, 447 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: one guy is controlling it. That means that the rest 448 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 2: of us, the other thirty five million of us are 449 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 2: splitting the other ninety nine percent, And of course there 450 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: are others that that that hold a much larger share 451 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 2: of that wealth as well. So how do you get 452 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: ahead of that? How can you possibly catch up? It 453 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:21,239 Speaker 2: really comes down to mortgage rates. Mortgage rates are one 454 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 2: of the issues that the younger generations are facing right 455 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: now that the older generations and the older generations. 456 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 3: My father loves to do this two. 457 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: He goes, well, I remember when mortgage rates were fourteen 458 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 2: percent under Carter. He loves to say that fourteen percent. 459 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 2: You know, you should be happy that they're at six 460 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: percent or six and a half percent, whatever else is. Yeah, 461 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 2: they were at fourteen percent, but you'd get a house 462 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: for seventeen grand. It's not an exaggeration. My parents first 463 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: house is seventeen thousand dollars. They bought it nineteen seventy seven, 464 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: right before I was born. I was born in seventy eight, 465 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 2: about seventeen thousand dollars. That house is not going up 466 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 2: in Valley, but they could afford a starter home even 467 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 2: at a high interest rate. Now, the interest rates had 468 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 2: in spiked the nineteen seventy seven they got at a 469 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: decent interest, right, but they since moved up. Now, what 470 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 2: we're finding out is an awful lot of people are 471 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: not getting into even starter homes until they're forty. The 472 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 2: average age of buying your first home back in the 473 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 2: seventies was late twenties, and now the average age is 474 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: forty years old for somebody's first home. So if you're 475 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: not getting into that home, you're not storing wealth, you're 476 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 2: not creating equity. And if you're not creating equity, that 477 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 2: means that your money is going to someone else, which 478 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 2: means that you're not without that equity, you have nothing 479 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 2: to show for it when you move out of the 480 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 2: place that you're in. If you're renting, you have nothing 481 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: to show for it at the end, right, And so 482 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: the barrier to get in is higher than what it's 483 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: ever been in the past. Older home owners holding ultra 484 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 2: low rates as well, and some very big equity cushions. 485 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 3: That's largely because they got in. 486 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: And this doesn't even have to be a boomer sometimes 487 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: it's just sometimes people had bought right before the pandemic. 488 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 2: You got in at three percent, your home is doubled 489 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: in value, and the mortgage rates have shot up, right, 490 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 2: So now all of a sudden, you're sitting out a 491 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: ton of equity and you're sitting on a low mortgage rate. Yeah, 492 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: low mortgage excuse me. And as a result, you are 493 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 2: hoarding some of that wealth. Well, if you're a gen 494 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 2: zer who was in college or maybe just graduated college 495 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, they weren't hiring, or if they 496 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: were hiring, it was remote work and. 497 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 3: It was very confusing. 498 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: Two mortgage rates started going up, home values started going up. 499 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: You didn't have any savings, You couldn't possibly get into 500 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 2: a place. And now the barrier is higher that it's 501 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 2: ever been, higher than it's ever been. So if you 502 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: are under forty in America right now, your host, there's 503 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 2: good news. Though, if you're under forty, there's still time. 504 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 2: There's time for things to crash. Honestly, and oftentimes when 505 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 2: it comes to like boomers just happened to be in 506 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 2: at the right time when things were low. If things 507 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: if you're saving right now and things crash, that's when 508 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 2: you can get in and started making things work for you. 509 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 2: It's an old adage, buy low, sell high. Right now 510 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 2: things are high, at some point they're going to get 511 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: low again. I don't know when that's going to be. 512 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: I got my fingers crossed too, but when it is, 513 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 2: hopefully you've got the money to be able to jump 514 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 2: on that and the job security that means you can 515 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: spend some of your savings on investing rather than worrying 516 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: about losing your gig. You've seen those red and yellow 517 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 2: crypto kiosks that are tucked into the kind of between 518 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 2: the lotto machine and the beef jerky at the convenience store. 519 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: Now imagine one of those are draining your life savings 520 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,719 Speaker 2: because somebody that you met online told you that they 521 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: loved you. 522 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 3: There's a new romance scam pipeline. It's got a very 523 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 3: modern twist. It is next. I'm Chris Merrill. I AM 524 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio. 525 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. 526 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 3: So you meet somebody. 527 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: Online and they seem so genuine and you just fall 528 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: in love and isn't that wonderful? And oh no, they're 529 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: having some financial difficulties. It's it's okay, it's not your problem. No, no, 530 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 2: it's it's okay. Don't worry about it. Don't I'll figure 531 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 2: something out. Don't worry about it. Oh boy, we've heard 532 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 2: this scam before, I haven't we but now it's got 533 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 2: a new high tech twist. 534 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 3: Inside Edition was talking about it. This sweet old lady 535 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 3: is being scammed and she doesn't even know it. Ma'am Cat, 536 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 3: I'll talk to you for a second, please, I have 537 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 3: to think on the phone. 538 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 8: A cop drives to intervene, telling her to hang up, 539 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 8: but she is not convinced she's being hoodwinked. 540 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 3: I'm in danger. Okay, no you're not, ma'am. Who's this. 541 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 4: No you're not. 542 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 3: So's on the other end. 543 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 8: Turns out he's a scammer, and for the last two days, 544 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 8: police say he's been pressuring eighty five year old fran 545 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 8: Base into sending him money via this ATM. 546 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 3: Uh oh wait what is this ATM? He kept saying, 547 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 3: put the money in, put it in, put it in. 548 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 8: You see that isn't your typical ATM. It's called a 549 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 8: bitcoin ATM, similar to this, but instead of with drawing cash, 550 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 8: you insert your money and buy bitcoin. 551 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, really easy to do. You see them all over right, 552 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: you see them. A lot of different shops have those things. 553 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: But the FBI says. 554 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 8: Scammers are taking advantage of the machines, conning seniors into 555 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 8: depositing their savings into bitcoin ATMs across the country. So 556 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 8: where does the money go? Straight to the scammers? 557 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 6: It doesn't matter who you are or where you are. 558 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 6: If you have a nicol or a dying that they 559 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 6: think they can get, they'll. 560 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 4: Go for it. 561 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 8: Luckily, for friend, this good samaritan stepped in and called 562 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 8: the police. 563 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 3: She said, and what did you hear that? She said 564 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 3: she'd sent twenty three thousand dollars already. Wow. 565 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 8: In Texas, Lieutenant James Stewart stopped it just in the 566 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 8: nick of time. 567 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 3: No, you're not going to speak to the customer anymore. 568 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 3: Listen to me. 569 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: She is not clicking on anything. 570 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: He kept saying, press I'm done, and I'm telling her, 571 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 2: don't press anything. 572 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 3: Just step away from the machine. 573 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 2: Thanks to him, Yeah, thank good as it was a 574 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 2: cop there though, right, I mean, if that had just 575 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: been like somebody else, She's like, no, no, no, I 576 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 2: have to push it. 577 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 3: Somebody's trying to steal my money. I have to press 578 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 3: this button. 579 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 2: Which, of course, one of the big things that scammers 580 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 2: do is they tell you that you're being scammed and 581 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: they pretend that they are security running interference. 582 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 3: They're there to help you. I had somebody do that 583 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 3: to me. 584 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 2: I've got I have a very small amount of money 585 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: on an old bitcoin wallet and they go. 586 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 3: Wow, you know your wallet's been compromised. 587 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 2: I got a phone call. Your wall that's been compromised. Now, 588 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: don't access your wallet because as soon as you access it, 589 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 2: they're going to be able to get into it. And 590 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 2: they went through this long thing about all the different 591 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 2: security protocols and all this other stuff. 592 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 3: And the longer it went, the the more I was. 593 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 2: I jumped online and I started looking up like the 594 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 2: manufacturer of the bitcoin wallet, and they said, we will 595 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: never call you with security concerns. And I said, why 596 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: does this say right here on the website that you'll 597 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: never call me? And they said, oh, well, we're a 598 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: third party security firm. I mean, they had all the 599 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: answers right there, bang bang bang. These places, these scammers, 600 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 2: they run stuff. This isn't just some some dude in 601 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: a basement trying to hoodwink you. They go into offices, 602 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: they have a structured system for scamming people. I mean, 603 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 2: you canna understand why if you've got little old ladies 604 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: sending twenty seven thousand dollars at a time. 605 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 3: They got all her money back. 606 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 2: That's the only reason we were able to get the 607 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 2: money back is because she never completed the transaction. 608 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 8: But most cases don't have a happy ending. The FBI 609 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 8: says Bitcoin ATM crooks builket Americans out of two hundred 610 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 8: and forty million dollars in just the front wow first 611 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 8: half of twenty twenty five, including this elderly woman. 612 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 3: Man, listen to your police department. We're here to help you. 613 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: She's convinced her scam caller is the real deal. They're 614 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 3: scamming you out of your money. Oh no, they're not, 615 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 3: they're not. And then they start to question the law enforcement. 616 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 3: Wasn't it? 617 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 2: Wasn't it to Samuel Clemens has said it's easier to 618 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 2: fool a man than to convince a man. 619 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 5: He's been fooled, sir, This is absolutely legitimately, So she 620 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 5: keeps fading one hundred dollars bills into the bitcoin ato. 621 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, don't do that. 622 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 8: Finally she's realized it's a hoax, but it's too late. 623 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 3: How much money have you a cent? 624 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 8: It? 625 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 5: Do? 626 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 4: Whoa? 627 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 2: And The other thing they're doing too, is they do 628 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 2: the old fashioned romance scam. You know, Oh, I know, 629 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 2: I'm in love with you and I can't wait, and 630 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna come see you. I'm gonna visit and when 631 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 2: I get there, it's gonna be perfect and we're gonna 632 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 2: start our lives together. And oh my gosh, I got 633 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: to the airport and I got mugged, and now I 634 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: can't get on the plane, and I just I just 635 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: need a little bit of money now, and then I'll 636 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: rebook the ticket and then I'm gonna come say, oh 637 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: my gosh, you now my, you know, my my sister 638 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: just got sick and I have to go back to 639 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: my sister. But I don't have enough money to fly 640 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 2: to my sister and to fly to you. I just 641 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 2: need a little bit more. And that goes on and 642 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: on and on, and once you feed that money into 643 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 2: the bitcoin, it's pretty much it's pretty much it. You know, 644 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: if this were a transaction through a bank, fraudulent transaction 645 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 2: through a bank, you might have some other avenues to 646 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: be able to get your money back, but when it 647 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 2: comes to the bitcoin, you really don't. You really don't, 648 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 2: which is why so many people were skeptical about bitcoin 649 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: to begin with. 650 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 3: Now I happen to like bitcoin, I happen to be 651 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 3: an advocate for it, But I will say. 652 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: The roots of bitcoin were basically the dark web. You 653 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 2: couldn't track where that money was going or where it 654 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 2: came from. You could only track that it was sent 655 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: from this wallet to that wallet. And there was a 656 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 2: there's a digital ledger, right, but it was being used 657 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 2: for some pretty underhanded stuff to start with, and still is. 658 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 3: Still is I right? 659 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 2: Imagine you are a big, big ad buyer and you 660 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: rely on very accurate numbers to figure out where you 661 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 2: need to spend your client's money. Now two of the 662 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: biggest players just rewrote the rule book, and all of 663 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 2: a sudden, you have no idea how many eyeballs are 664 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: really on your product. I'm going to pull back the 665 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 2: curtain on that next. I'm Chris merrill I AM six 666 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 2: forty live everywhere in the iHeartRadio 667 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,719 Speaker 1: App KFI AM six forty on demand