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Speaker 1: From the fish filled Midwest lakes to the deep woods

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Speaker 1: of the North Upland prairies filled with pheasants, to the

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Speaker 1: whistling wings of duck ponds. This is Saturday Morning Fan Outdoors,

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Speaker 1: your show for hunting and fishing tips, topics and conversations.

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Speaker 1: You can also send us a question or opinion by

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Speaker 1: emailing us booth at kfean dot com. Here's your host,

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Speaker 1: the Fans, Captain Billy Hildebrand.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Fan Outdoors, faithful, Good morning to you. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to another weekend, second weekend of dear season. And guess what.

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Speaker 2: Guess what? Oh, I've got wonderful news for you. And

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Speaker 2: here it comes. Guess who's in the studio with me,

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Speaker 2: the one and the only, mister Bob Saint Pierre.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's quite an introduction.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's like eighteen years have been waiting for that.

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Speaker 2: Don't come out happen and again I'm just telling you,

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Speaker 2: welcome back, thank you.

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Speaker 3: It has been a while since we've been back together.

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Speaker 3: And Brett, good morning, Brett.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love seeing everybody here.

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Speaker 3: I think it's been we've been together at least one

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Speaker 3: time since the Stay Fair, right, I don't know, I

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Speaker 3: think there was.

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Speaker 2: A long time ago. It'll be here before you know it.

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Speaker 2: Brett right around the corner the way. I'm pretty good,

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Speaker 2: pretty good. I spent a busy fall, although I found

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Speaker 2: day before yesterday, I haven't walked much for a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks. I lost at whatever conditioning I had. My legs,

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, gracious, my legs just ached. I stopped

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Speaker 2: on the way back and let Breeze run for a

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Speaker 2: little bit. She's driving me nuts. And so we were

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Speaker 2: out in his wildlife hairy area, out of sock and

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Speaker 2: it gets pounded really hard. I didn't I didn't have

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Speaker 2: a gun, so it didn't make any difference. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I got back in there about five ten minutes. I

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Speaker 2: had to get out. God, they just burned. My legs did.

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Speaker 2: But Chad is Chad's heading off president with a couple

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Speaker 2: of buddies, with Colton and Carlos today. He's got big plans.

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Speaker 2: He's got all kinds of place as he wants to

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Speaker 2: go to. And Eric is up on their least property

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Speaker 2: and shot A said, I sent you the picture of

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Speaker 2: one yesterday. Giant. Yeah he was.

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Speaker 3: I didn't count the point like it's at a point

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Speaker 3: point eight, but I mean it's their body is Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well it was a very nice spread.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really a nice deer. And it's a

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Speaker 2: good thing I've owned these slug guns because I haven't

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Speaker 2: used I've got two of them, Remington automatics, and they

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Speaker 2: got scopes on them and they're Sabbage slugs, so it's

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Speaker 2: a rifle barrel and I haven't I haven't hunted with

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Speaker 2: them for about ten maybe seven eight years, but the

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Speaker 2: boys do, so that's good. And they just keep shooting

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Speaker 2: deer with them.

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Speaker 3: So that deer is hanging up, it's up there, it's

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Speaker 3: up there right now, on its way to you to

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Speaker 3: be cleaned.

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Speaker 2: When does that happen? That will happen tomorrow sometimes, and

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Speaker 2: I have left. I've got a small electric winch because

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Speaker 2: I'm done Armstrong, and those buggers up in the rafters

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Speaker 2: and the permanently hanging there now. So we need to

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Speaker 2: make a sign for you. Billy's butcher shot. That's not

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Speaker 2: just me. Eric is Eric basically skins it and he's

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Speaker 2: just like gutting a deer. I mean, he get that

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Speaker 2: bugger skin, stay out of my way, hold the leg

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Speaker 2: the way we go. That's the same thing he tells say,

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Speaker 2: gotten him out, But he's done so many of them,

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Speaker 2: not skin any, but so many of them. With work.

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Speaker 2: And he worked last weekend CWD Andy. There was somebody

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Speaker 2: that over and he was there all weekend. But they

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Speaker 2: had a lot of deer come in, So you're skipping

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Speaker 2: deer season this scene. I think I'm gonna hunt muzzle order. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: the cabin is all closed up. Your hire's up day

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Speaker 2: before yesterday. Unfortunately, I shed a big tear when I

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Speaker 2: drove away, did you Yeah? It bothered me, it did.

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Speaker 2: I'm standing in the yard and it's so beautiful and

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Speaker 2: and yelled at me. He says, what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm standing here looking at the lake, missing

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Speaker 3: So what's it to ya? So when it hit seventy

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Speaker 2: Chad said yesterday when he dropped the dogs off for

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Speaker 2: And yeah, it beautiful. So with the cabin shut now,

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Speaker 2: you're not done pheasant hunting. No, no, no. Will you

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Speaker 3: Like Wanton One and some of a place as Chad

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Speaker 2: I've been down there and I know where a few

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Speaker 2: of the places are big spots. But I might go

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Speaker 2: up north too, because all the for any well for

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Speaker 2: everybody listening the hunts pheasants, all the corn has gone,

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Speaker 2: everything's out. I saw one corn field from here to

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Speaker 2: and it was a small one that was still standing. Otherwise,

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of corns standing then. So if

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Speaker 2: And there there's a lot of grass out there. But

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing if the weather guys are accurate, they're going

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Speaker 2: to be in cattails soon. I haven't looked at what's

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Speaker 2: the extended forecast. It's going to get cold were the

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Speaker 2: down here. Sixty one It is very nice. Sixty one

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be down. Well, what's the

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Speaker 2: high today? Yeah, I think it's into the forties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, rested the day, right that we already experienced a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, the northwest wind is going to

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Speaker 2: blow a gale two.

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Speaker 3: And then tomorrow is similarly similar, similar temperature, but sunny,

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Speaker 3: and I think the winds calm it.

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Speaker 2: Calms down a bit, I believe, and I'm not sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of beginning to subscribe to the theory that

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Speaker 3: Because, yeah, that the snowstorm last weekend across southern Minnesota

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Speaker 3: and Iowa. I mean that was a surprise to a lot, Yeah, meteorologist, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it did too, because, yeah, the thing

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Speaker 2: is that the ground is pretty warm yet, so it's

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Speaker 2: not gonna last a long time, especially when it's seventy

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Speaker 2: nobody's fishing. I noticed that ducks are gone. But Eric

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Speaker 2: at least land is. There were he saw ducks when

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Speaker 2: he was gutting the deer and moving it and working corn,

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Speaker 2: feeding in corn, so they were going to hunt ducks today.

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Speaker 3: There was actually quite a bit of fishing boat activity

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Speaker 3: winter as it was a good day to play hooky.

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Speaker 2: I talked to Eric right after he had shot the

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Speaker 2: way up in some little skinny tree and put some

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Speaker 3: He did that one time to me, put you up

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Speaker 3: way high in the tree. Didn't go there, but I walked.

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Speaker 2: I heard shooting over the other side of the farm,

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Speaker 2: and you could shoot five deer a piece, and we

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Speaker 2: had all kinds of ant on his permits. And so

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Speaker 2: I said to Chad who was up on the hill

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Speaker 2: and he had shot one already. Scared the heck out

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go over and see what Eric has got.

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Speaker 2: I walked over and I saw a deer laying out

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Speaker 2: I don't know how high it was forty feet, but

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Speaker 2: you got one. Huh, good job, buddy, good job. He

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Speaker 2: looked at he says, yeah, I got one, and I

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Speaker 2: got four more laying right back there, and here laid

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Speaker 2: on a roll. He had four more deer gut it

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Speaker 2: out and lined up, and I said, we are done.

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Speaker 2: Billy's butcher shop is closed for business. You get that right,

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Speaker 2: Because he was going to college then, so what we do?

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Speaker 2: We go home, hang the deer in the garage and

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Speaker 2: he says, I'll see you later, dad. I went back

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Speaker 2: to school, So he goes. So I spent the week

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Speaker 2: cleaning deer. Did you have to buy an extra chest freezer?

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Speaker 2: For all that I had? I had my taxi ermy freezer,

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Speaker 2: and then, according to my spouse, no food could go

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Speaker 2: in that well it went in there.

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Speaker 3: And do you still do you have animals in your

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Speaker 3: taxidermy freezer?

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Speaker 2: Right now? I have one pheasant from a year ago?

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Speaker 2: Oh really? Yeah? What was it? What's the story behind that? Back?

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Speaker 2: There's no story. I wanted to use it to trade

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Speaker 2: the dogs, okay, and it's a rooster too, but hopefully

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Speaker 2: it's a rooster. It wouldn't be good if you had.

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Speaker 2: I've gone to a game farm and shot a hand

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Speaker 2: and put it in the freezer for dogs. And I

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Speaker 2: got a couple of chuckers from Tom Dokan and one

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Speaker 2: of those are still in there because they use them

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Speaker 2: for the dogs, take the bills off them and the

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Speaker 2: feet so for a puppy to grab. But no, I'm

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Speaker 2: not illegal. I'm very careful about that. But what I

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Speaker 2: had a federal federal taxidermy licensed for a number of

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Speaker 2: years and it was one of those things I started

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Speaker 2: as a way to prolong hunting season, and my neighbor

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Speaker 2: taught me how to do it, and he was very

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Speaker 2: good at it. The only time I got stuck, I'd

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Speaker 2: call him and he got me going. Well, all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, somebody said will you do Somebody else said,

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Speaker 2: well you do. And it turns out I was working

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Speaker 2: seven nights a week this on taxi stuffed birds and

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Speaker 2: deer and not fish. Fish stunk the house up too bad, huh,

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Speaker 2: And I thought, this is this is a job I

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Speaker 2: don't want to do. It was no fun anymore. Was

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Speaker 2: this after you were retired or during during school? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Actually before I was fishing very hard. But anyway, well,

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Speaker 2: this morning, not this evening. This morning, we're going to

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Speaker 2: take you up before we get too Farral, We're going

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Speaker 2: to take you all the way up to Lake Oh

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Speaker 2: the woods in Buddette, Minnesota. Is that froze yet? We'll

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Speaker 2: find out. I will ask him. Jeff Anderson is going

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Speaker 2: to join us right after this, and then we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk bears with the bear specialists for the Minnesota

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Speaker 2: Department of Natural Resources. And a friend, mister Andy try

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Speaker 2: And he was working CWD last weekend, he told me,

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Speaker 2: and work in a station up in Grand Rapids. But

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Speaker 2: talk to Andy about some things. I got a notification

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Speaker 2: last week from the an email from the DNR, and

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Speaker 2: there's some things that they are looking for as far

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll have to find out if seventy degrees means

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Speaker 3: Well, that might come up too. That was the focal

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Speaker 4: Hey, good morning guys. We you know, we have experienced

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Speaker 5: Well, have the fish move shallow yet, Jeff, they have

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Speaker 5: You know, our fishing was it was just absolutely and

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Speaker 4: Good fishing all the way from fishing opener all the

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Speaker 4: So anytime we have that, you know, it usually sets

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Speaker 2: Well, I I spent you spent a lot of years

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Speaker 4: No, we we still do it. A lot of resorts

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Speaker 4: And yeah, they're a special little mintal They they bring

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Speaker 2: Well, what about yourself the muskie fishing, the muskie bite.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, my son and I did that. The Max

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Speaker 4: So we were in the lead by day day one.

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Speaker 4: Our first drop we catch a I think we got

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Speaker 4: So yep, that was our That was my big hurra

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Speaker 5: But I did a lot of walleye fishing with.

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Speaker 4: My wife and we had a blast. We had and

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Speaker 2: You know, the description you laid out for everybody, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: See how he's grown.

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Speaker 4: And I'm I'm I'm taking advice for his opinion, I

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Speaker 4: We made a great memory. And you know that's you know, Captain,

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Speaker 4: That's what my mom would always tell us before before

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Speaker 4: So we we did definitely that.

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Speaker 4: I I uh, I tell Gavin he's got to figure

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Speaker 4: rod wherever that might be.

434
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: So we h.

435
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 4: I don't think he knows yet, but he's pretty pretty

436
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 4: pretty dang good uh fisherman as well as hockey players.

437
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 4: So so I I enjoy, uh, I enjoy both of them.

438
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: You know, Jeff, my oldest son is forty years old.

439
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: Now he's telling me what to do. There's still a suggestion, Well, you.

440
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: Only realize what we always know more than than them.

441
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 4: They know that that that dads are allways always right.

442
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: And I don't.

443
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: Say any I might think something different, but I'm not

444
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: gonna argue because he's he's right more and he's wrong.

445
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: And that's okay.

446
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 4: I think I can still take my son.

447
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 2: And well maybe not.

448
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 4: I eat couch the other day. But he's he's getting

449
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 4: he's getting a little bit tougher, a little bit stronger.

450
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 4: He's putting on, putting on some muscle, and and I

451
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 4: don't know if I can take him in a wrestling

452
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 4: but I still think I can.

453
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: I look up to my youngest and he did every

454
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: once in a while he picks me up and sets

455
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 2: me down someplace harassal.

456
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 4: Uh and and and we got deer hunt going on

457
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 4: up here, you know, And it's been a fun season.

458
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 4: And you know, I talk a lot about Gavin alot,

459
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 4: but my my daughter Brooke, I you know, she's been

460
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 4: sitting in the deer stand with me, and you know,

461
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 4: it's been really fun.

462
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 6: Uh.

463
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: She's much like her.

464
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 4: Brother, and she she has shot a dole and of

465
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 4: course with our great great you know, trail cameras and

466
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 4: everything else. I showed her a picture of a buck

467
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 4: and she's like that, I I want a much bigger

468
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 4: than that one than that. And I think she wants to,

469
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 4: you know, make an impression on all the book you

470
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 4: know boys around around the world here that she wants.

471
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 4: She doesn't want to. I'm like, that's a pretty nice buck,

472
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 4: you know, you don't want to shoot that one. And

473
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 4: she's she's like she's home out for for the for

474
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 4: the right one.

475
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: So buddy, well yeah, and it's I mean, it's the.

476
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 4: Same thing as fishing, you know, all the fun memories

477
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: with your child. I mean, you know, the truck rides

478
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 4: in the truck and walking in the dark and you

479
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 4: know all the noises. We saw Bobcat the other day,

480
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 4: which was which was you know, so cool in the

481
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 4: in the wild like that, and you know the grouse

482
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 4: hopping around and I had a I had a you know,

483
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 4: a little yearling yearling buck that hung around my dear

484
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 4: stand and it was chasing the grouse around and prancing around,

485
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 4: and it's just it's just what the great outdoors is

486
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 4: all about. All the fun memories you are shared with

487
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 4: shared with your kids, you know, that's that's really what

488
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 4: drives drives me now is making those memories, you know,

489
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 4: like my mom would always.

490
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 2: Say, yeah, yeah, you're very right, Jeff and I have

491
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: often told people, Bob included, that, you know, there's a

492
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. I'm just not as mad as I

493
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 2: used to be, so I don't make any difference.

494
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 4: Yeah that somehow, somehow with the Max tournament, you know

495
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 4: that or any tournament. You know, Gavin and I still

496
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 4: fish a walleye tournament and you know, I think I

497
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 4: talked about this on the show, but you know, he

498
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 4: he had his broken wrists from spring hockey. And we're

499
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 4: sitting in the safe side of the shore. We knew

500
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 4: where we had to go, and of course we were out,

501
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 4: and somehow that that that that flip gets switched inside

502
00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 4: my internal body where the competitive spirit, and we both

503
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 4: looked at each other and said we're going, And all

504
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 4: of a sudden we found ourselves in six foot waves

505
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 4: and we're catching walleyes. And we didn't win the tournament,

506
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 4: but we we caught a lot of walleyes in the

507
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 4: big waves, and we stayed in the boat. That's all

508
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 4: that mattered.

509
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: But good, yeah, it's uh good. Sorry, Well, Jeff, I

510
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: thank you for your time this morning. And uh, it's gosh,

511
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: it's fun talking to you, buddy, it really is. And

512
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: I wish his success. But we're going to talk before winter.

513
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: I hope that's okay.

514
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope so. And I'll keep everybody updated on

515
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: on the ice reports. And like I said, we are

516
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 4: going to have just we're going to have a great

517
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 4: early ice bight. So you know, I hope people are

518
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 4: getting excited about ice fishing. It's that transition time and

519
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 4: and we hope to see up here on the Great

520
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 4: Lake of the Woods and making making memories in the

521
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 4: great outdoors.

522
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: If Jeff one question, if people make reservations now for

523
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: ice fishing, and let's say the ice isn't good yet,

524
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: what do they do.

525
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 4: There's there's two places you can find us.

526
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: You can find us.

527
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: At Sportsman's Lodges dot com or and or border View

528
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 4: Lodge dot com and both are both are tremendous places

529
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 4: to stay income ice fishing. We have we have a tremendous,

530
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 4: tremendous group of people that want to take care take

531
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 4: care of you when you come up here, and we

532
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 4: do just that, you know, from the transportation to food

533
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 4: and food and beverage and and uh, of course a

534
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: really professional team that knows how to how to take

535
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 4: people of people fishing.

536
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: Wonderful. Jeff, I thank you, sir, and we will chat

537
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: real soon. Buddy, have a great.

538
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 4: Fall, always always a pleasure, boy, Stay in touch. We'll

539
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 4: talk soon.

540
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: You bet. That's Jeff Anderson and he's love and life

541
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: and that's pretty cool, very very cool. Good for him,

542
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: and we will take a pause. And another man who

543
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: loves life a great deal and very good at what

544
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: he does. Coming up next, mister Andy try the bear

545
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: specialist for the d n R. Next on Fan Outdoors,

546
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: We're back Fan Outdoors, coming your way until the eight

547
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: o'clock hour. Yours truly, Billy Hildebrand, I'm here, Bob Saint

548
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: Pierre's here too, and hey, he's here for the moment.

549
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: He will be going again next week. But it's hunting

550
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: seasoning season. Yeah, I've got states to swing back and

551
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: forth between. You're doing a heck of a job. I'm

552
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: telling you you gotta have about a million miles on that.

553
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: I hit one sixty. Yeah, I'm twitching and I get

554
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: that high.

555
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's uh yeah, I don't want to jinx anything.

556
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's welcome our next guest, because he is with

557
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: the Department of Natural Resources and he is the bear

558
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: researcher for the d NR. Mister Andy Try has agreed

559
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: to join us this morning. Andy, Good morning, sir.

560
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 6: Good morning guys. How are you not bad?

561
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: How about you pretty good?

562
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 6: Watching the woodrow in my house start to wake up,

563
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 6: We're just we're just in the pre dawn hours and

564
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 6: I'm sipping coffee, waiting for waiting for the morning to start.

565
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: Well, that's a you know, Andy, if I didn't have

566
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: to get up sometimes I would have missed it today.

567
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: But that's one of the things I really like about

568
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: the outdoors is watching the world wake up from darkness

569
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: again every day. It's a special time.

570
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 6: For sure. For sure.

571
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: I've thought about our conversations with you in the last

572
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: couple of weeks because of weather has been so.

573
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: Inconsistent.

574
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: Let's say that yesterday being one of those, and I've

575
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: been thinking, wonder what bears are doing right now. It

576
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: would think that they'd have to be hyberdating, but then

577
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: you look outside. Yesterday was seventy degrees. What the heck

578
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: are they doing?

579
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 6: Andy, That's a good question. I think they're probably just

580
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 6: as confused as we all are. But most of the

581
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 6: females that we have are in the den, at least

582
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 6: in the Grand Rapids in the Brainerd area. Those females

583
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 6: that are pregnant, on average, they're in the den sometime

584
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 6: around the first week of October, and then the rest

585
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 6: of the females will head to bed usually about two

586
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 6: weeks after that, and then the boys are the ones

587
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 6: out latest. And so it's obviously variable by latitude and

588
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 6: where you guys are and what the food conditions are.

589
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 6: You know, I gotta we put that post out on

590
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 6: the DNR, and I got a fair shot of people

591
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 6: just seeing bears out and about in there that their stands,

592
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 6: And that's not uncommon for this time of year. We'll

593
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 6: always get pictures from Ellen Candler's or the u of

594
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 6: M's awful study. There's usually bears on their munching on

595
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 6: gut piles and stuff. But pretty typically those are kind

596
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 6: of those males that are trying to get that last

597
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 6: snack before they head in. But you know, they've got

598
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 6: their dens built well before now, and they'll just kind

599
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 6: of hunker down, keep their energy expenditures low, and you know,

600
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 6: if there's food available, they'll keep munching, you know, if

601
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 6: there's acorns around, et cetera. But they'll kind of stick

602
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 6: local to that that den hole or wherever they're going

603
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 6: to be and just kind of hang around.

604
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: Do they use the same den year after year, Andy.

605
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 6: Almost never, that's a that's a big misconception. You know,

606
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 6: if it's a cave or something, bill they'll head to

607
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 6: that same place, you know, depending on the year, and

608
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 6: kind of spruce it up, freshen up, get some new

609
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 6: bedding material in there. But aside from southeastern Minnesota and

610
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 6: the Rocky country up in the Canadian Shield, up in

611
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 6: the Boundary waters and the shore, we really don't have

612
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 6: a lot of caves available for them, and so most

613
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 6: of those bears will dig dens and brush piles and

614
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 6: they'll be out in the middle of the bog just

615
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 6: hanging out, making a nest wide in the open. So

616
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 6: the den roof will often collapse in the summertime as

617
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 6: the rains hit and the sand saws and all that,

618
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 6: or the soil paws, so it's a little harder to

619
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 6: have a nice cozy den year after year. In the

620
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 6: sand and the loam, you've.

621
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 3: Talked about how bears will make a den kind of

622
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: out in the open, in the bog in the woods.

623
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 3: Every time we've had you on and I've thought, why

624
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 3: am I not coming across them when I'm out rough

625
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 3: grouse hunting with my dogs.

626
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: You know, I've never encountered a bears sleeping in the woods.

627
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: What what am I missing the bear? I'm not gonna go.

628
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 3: Look, I'm not going looking for them, but I mean, I'm.

629
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: Covering a lot of ground with dogs. What What's what?

630
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: What's the disconnect?

631
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 6: I think there's probably two things going on, maybe three.

632
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 6: One is that you have dogs, and so bears can't

633
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 6: really tell the difference between a wolf and a dog.

634
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 6: Generally they just go to an eleven right away, and

635
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 6: so their first instinct is to flee, and it's quite

636
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 6: likely that they're long gone before the dog even catches

637
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 6: the scent. And Bob, you've got well trained dogs. I

638
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 6: do not have a well trained dog, and so they're

639
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 6: often sniffing all over. But yours are probably following birds

640
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 6: rather than the bear. Hopefully, if they're in a nest,

641
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 6: they can just get up and leave long. You know,

642
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 6: they can hear you guys coming, You know, depending on

643
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 6: what you use with your dogs. Some people use bells

644
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 6: or beeper collars and stuff, and that's so noisy in

645
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 6: the woods. The bears can hear you long, long, long

646
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 6: before you get there. But also the timing. You know,

647
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 6: they're just out forging around the grouse opener and they're

648
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 6: still out munching generally, even as you get into some

649
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 6: of the best parts of grouse hunting in October, when

650
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 6: the leaves are down, and so it's just you know,

651
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 6: bears are smart. They can smell you from a long

652
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 6: way off. And the density isn't super high. It's maybe

653
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 6: one per square mile and a half or so statewide.

654
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 6: Obviously some places are denser and some are lower, but

655
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 6: those places that are frequented by a lot of people,

656
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 6: the bears just start hanging around there.

657
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: That makes sense, Okay, you're going to accept that. Good.

658
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 2: I hate to be you got one corner that wouldn't

659
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 2: be good for you.

660
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: No, No, It just and definitely makes sense, especially early

661
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 3: season because it's i mean, think about it, September we

662
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: were still having ninety degrees early even phezanhing. We have

663
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: to take break midday because of the temperatures in recent

664
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: years but you know, I think about now, like tomorrow,

665
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: I'll probably go grouse hunting in northern Wisconsin, and my

666
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: assumption is, well, bears are hibernating at some point, and

667
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: if they're hibernating in the middle of the woods, like

668
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: I would come across them at some point.

669
00:38:54,719 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: But Andy, even if they are sleeping, hibernating or whatever,

670
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: will they if let's say a wolf or a dog

671
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: gets near, will they wake and move?

672
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 6: It depends on the severity of the situation. If if

673
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 6: they're in an above ground nest, yeah, they'll they'll move

674
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 6: and go find another spot, especially if it's early and

675
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 6: the ground's not frozen. But more of those traditional underground dens.

676
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 6: Oftentimes it's either late season grouse hunters that are out

677
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 6: and about or kyote hunters that are out hiking looking

678
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 6: for you know, sign Sometimes. You know, though, I can

679
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 6: think of two or three last year that we're found

680
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 6: with one guy with a really smart German short hair.

681
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 6: He just is like, oh, that's a new smell, went

682
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 6: over to check it out. And then the guy peeked

683
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 6: in the hole and you know, pulled the pull dog

684
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 6: back and there's a bear hanging out inside there.

685
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that makes me a little twitchy.

686
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 3: You brought up wolves a couple of times, and I

687
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 3: don't think of wolves as a major bear predator.

688
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: Is that ignorance on my part?

689
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 6: No, that's absolutely correct. Bears are rarely preyed upon by wolves.

690
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 6: You know, I get calls to the office every fall, like,

691
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 6: well I heard somewhere that you know, DNR pulled all

692
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 6: the permits back because too many cubs were getting eaten

693
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 6: by wolves, and that's just not the case we have had.

694
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 6: I can, I don't know. We've had something like eight

695
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 6: or nine hundred bears called over the last four decades

696
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 6: on this project to look at reproduction survival to help

697
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 6: inform those harvest quotas, and all of the animals that

698
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 6: have been killed, it's like less than a dozen that

699
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 6: we can confirm were were killed by wolves or died

700
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 6: from something else. And then we're predated upon by wolves.

701
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 6: We don't have a good idea for in general, but

702
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 6: you know, cub survival is something like eighty five percent,

703
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 6: and so it's not a even if if wolves were

704
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 6: taking cubs when they found them. In general, it's not

705
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 6: any sort of effect on the overall population. So Bob

706
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 6: you're absolutely right. It's it's not a big deal for them.

707
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 6: We have lots and lots of den camera photos, and

708
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 6: this gets back to that dog thing. Lots of den

709
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 6: camera photos are like a pack of wolves will come by,

710
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 6: they'll smell the bear den, they'll look inside. They'll kind

711
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 6: of do a standoff, you know, a few wolves out

712
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 6: and around, and then the bear's nose will come out.

713
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 6: They'll look at each other. The wolves will realize it's

714
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 6: not worth it, because if you're injured wolves, you're dead

715
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 6: out there on the landscape. You know, you're just you

716
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 6: can't hunt. It's it's a big problem. And so they

717
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 6: look at each other and then the wolves leave because

718
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 6: it's easier to go, you know, catch deer or other

719
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 6: stuff in the wintertime, and so it's it's just a

720
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 6: non issue generally. It has been. You know, if they're

721
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 6: in the more open dend and they can't escape, or

722
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 6: they're injured or something beforehand, you know, that's a different story.

723
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 6: But in general, it's just a non issue for bears.

724
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: Our guest is Andy try who is a bear researcher

725
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: for the Minnesota Department Natural Resources. Andy, I take it,

726
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: then bears are not territorial as far as where they

727
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: live and exists, is that crue. They just kind of

728
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: wander around.

729
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 6: They have kind of a set area. We call that

730
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 6: the home range, and it's generally fixed. For females, it's

731
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 6: about between like eight and fifteen square miles, depending on

732
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 6: the resources in the area, and for males it can

733
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 6: be well over one hundred square miles. The females will

734
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 6: kind of set up on a honeycomb pattern, like one

735
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 6: female next to each other, and they don't harshly defend it,

736
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 6: but they generally stick to their own area. And then

737
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 6: when the cubs are growing and it's time to give

738
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 6: them the booth at eighteen months, that mom kicks the

739
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 6: boys out they have to leave, presumably to prevent against inbreeding,

740
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 6: and then she'll give a little bit of her home

741
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,959
Speaker 6: range to the daughter, and so you'll have like mother

742
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 6: daughter little clusters on the landscape as they're growing.

743
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 3: It's pretty fascinating I think about you know, it's super

744
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: easy I think for society for people to gravitate towards

745
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 3: moose like great big megafauna, but it's a little harder

746
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: for bears, and I think that's we don't see them

747
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: on a daily. They're just so nocturnal, or I perceive

748
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 3: them to be nocturnal. But when I think about it,

749
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: I think bears, particularly in Minnesota, are underappreciated for how special,

750
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 3: for how complicated and just awesome that they are as

751
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 3: an animal.

752
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: What's your reaction to that.

753
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 6: I think I did agree that they are special and

754
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 6: amazing and wonderful and complicated. My god, Like you know,

755
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 6: I don't know how many times I have to say

756
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 6: to anybody I talk to, like, these are not deer,

757
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 6: and management is more complicated, it takes longer for them

758
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 6: to reproduce, blah blah blah. But yes, they're maybe not

759
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 6: as iconic as moose in our north Woods, as this

760
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 6: paragon of wildness. But I think, I mean, humans and

761
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 6: bears have had a kind of intertwined history, you know,

762
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 6: since humans have come around, and you know, they're a

763
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 6: spiritual animal for a lot of our a lot of people,

764
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 6: whether that's as you know, spirit animals for some of

765
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 6: the the Ajibwe and the da Code of people here

766
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 6: in Minnesota, or just in general. You know, it's a

767
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 6: it's a big wild animal. I think you lose some

768
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 6: of that appreciation if it's knocking over your trash cans morning,

769
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 6: and you know, yeah, but in general, I think people

770
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 6: respect them. There's probably more fear perhaps than there needs

771
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 6: to be, Like, yeah, these are wild animals, but they're

772
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 6: not inherently dangerous and we can coexist with them just fine.

773
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 6: But I think for the most part, people are real appreciative.

774
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 6: It's just maybe they just haven't had as many interactions

775
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 6: as they have with other fitters.

776
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: I know, And we're gonna have to take a break,

777
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: and I've got a question beforehand. But I know when

778
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: Eric and I were turkey hunting one spring, he went

779
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: to the north and I went to the south. I

780
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: got back to the car and he came out of

781
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: the woods, taking really big steps with big eyes, and

782
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 2: he said, I got back there, and there were two

783
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: little cubs up this tree. And I backed up the

784
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 2: same way I came in, and I said, mama bear,

785
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: I'm leaving, Mama bear, I'm leaving. Is that good advice

786
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: to get the heck out of where cubs are? Do

787
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: you just keep going?

788
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 6: That's great advice. You know, the the mother and cubs

789
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 6: thing is more of a grizzly deal than it is

790
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 6: for black bears. But again giving them respect, and you know,

791
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 6: mom will defend their cubs, and so Eric did everything right,

792
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 6: backing out of there, making noise. That's that's the main deal.

793
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 6: When you encounterbear and just give them their space. You know,

794
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 6: if it starts to follow you, sometimes it just thinks

795
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 6: you smell interesting. You know, people we're not so great

796
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 6: at scent control in general, and so if you're you know,

797
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 6: munching on a candy bar on the way out to

798
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 6: the deer stand, you know, you have a little bit

799
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 6: of sweetness on your breath and they can smell a

800
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 6: lot of that. And so it's not often that they're

801
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 6: just trying to eat you or your kids or whatnot.

802
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 6: They just it's a new new novel smell. They'll rear

803
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 6: up on their back legs to get a better look

804
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 6: at you. They're not going to like rear back and

805
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 6: charge like the movies.

806
00:46:51,960 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: I'm andy, I no, we have to take a pause.

807
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: But I question when we come back. I know that

808
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: hunters can play a role with some of the research,

809
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: and one of the things I wanted to first conferm

810
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: if that's accurate, and second ask you how hunters can

811
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 2: help you and what they can do if they come

812
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: across bear dens.

813
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 6: Okay, that sounds great, we'll get to it after the break.

814
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: Wonderful, we will do. So take that break and be

815
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: back with more of Andy tri bear researcher right after this.

816
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: Come back two minutes after the hour of seven o'clock

817
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: on a fan outdoors Saturday morning. You're truly, Billy Hildebrant,

818
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: I am here. Bob Saint Pierre is here temporarily, Brett

819
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: is here permanently. Are you permanently here?

820
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 4: Brett?

821
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: I hope so. Yeah. And our guest is mister Andy

822
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 2: Try from depart Natural Resources. He is a bear specialist,

823
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 2: a bear researcher. And as far as research goes, Andy

824
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: can how can hunters or people out in the woods,

825
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: how can they be of value to you in some

826
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: research way?

827
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 4: Sure?

828
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 6: So this is a fun one. So we're working on

829
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 6: a reproductive project right now. You know, in the old days,

830
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 6: we used to be able to get the age of

831
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 6: firs shoe production from the teeth of theirs, all the

832
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 6: teeth that the hunters send in. We get those sectioned

833
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 6: and you can count the rings to figure out how

834
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 6: old they are, and you can also look at the

835
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 6: narrowing in the rings to find out which years were

836
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 6: cover years in which were which years were yearling years

837
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 6: in the females. I did a retrospective look at this.

838
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 6: I've been working on this project a while. But the

839
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 6: long and short of it is that bears seem to

840
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 6: be growing faster than they ever have before, especially out

841
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 6: on the you know, the traditional edge of range. And

842
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 6: so these are our permit areas, you know, kind of

843
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 6: on the edge of the Quota no quota line, and

844
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 6: then out in the no Kota country we have bears,

845
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 6: some bears that are three years old that weigh as

846
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 6: much as a five year old bear did back in

847
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 6: the nineteen eighties. And so yeah, it's a big deal.

848
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 6: And so you know, if your toothage comes back goofy.

849
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, that was a two hundred zone

850
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 6: pound bear that should be you know, three four five

851
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 6: years old. That's you know, that's not really the case

852
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 6: anymore because the bears are growing so fast. So we

853
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 6: are collaring a number of bears, both in the traditional

854
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 6: study areas near Grand Rapids and Brainerd, but also in

855
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 6: a few other areas. There's a collaborative project with few

856
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 6: of them delut sorry in ruri at umd on some

857
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 6: more like urban bears, coyotes and bobcats that we're calling

858
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 6: some bears for. And then we're also interested in just

859
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 6: general bear dens out on the edge of that bear range,

860
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 6: so like the north end of the Twin Cities up

861
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 6: through Hinckley all the way over to like Park Rapids

862
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 6: and then kind of on the west side of Amigie there.

863
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 6: And so you know, what we learned in the short

864
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 6: period is that bears certainly have shifted that age of

865
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 6: first reproduction down and so a good proportion of them,

866
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 6: about half of the bears are having cubs at three

867
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 6: now rather than what we thought was five. But we

868
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 6: need to confirm that this is widespread, and so we're

869
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 6: asking hunters, admittedly we're doing this early while people are

870
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 6: out and about in the woods and they're just thinking

871
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 6: about it while they're heading their deer stands, you know,

872
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 6: last weekend, this weekend, and you know next weekend, if

873
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 6: you're in the hundred series, to just keep a lookout

874
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 6: and if you happen to find a bear den and

875
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 6: or a bear in a den, that we like to

876
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 6: know that information where it is. If you can get

877
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 6: some locations and maybe snap a picture two and then

878
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 6: get in contact with us either my office at the

879
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 6: Grand Rapids Research Unit. You can just call up to

880
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 6: the Grand Rapids office and and havent transfer to Andy

881
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 6: the ver guy. Similarly, you can call the infocenter with

882
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 6: that information on the back of your license. The info

883
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 6: Center numbers right there, and uh, we're we'll come check

884
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 6: it out. If it's female, we'll certainly want to call it.

885
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 6: We're most interested in young females or females confirmed with

886
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 6: with cubs of the year, because we call those cubs

887
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 6: that become year links and then follow them till they

888
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 6: have that first litter. And if it's you know, if

889
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 6: it's on your property, you know, we obviously need permission

890
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 6: to enter. But when we work this thing up, you know,

891
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 6: you're you're welcome to join us out on that that

892
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 6: had been So that's how hunters can help.

893
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: With the dens. Andy, is if a bear is sleeping

894
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: on a pile of brush, is that considered a den?

895
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 6: That is considered a den? And you know, for fair warning,

896
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 6: disturbing animals in a den is against you know, state

897
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 6: statute and rule. And so what we're mostly asking is

898
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 6: just kind of take a picture of the area from

899
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 6: a safe distance, this is, you know, thirty forty feet away,

900
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 6: just to get a general idea to lay out of

901
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 6: the land. Picture the hole if you can find it,

902
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 6: and then we can come take a look and confirm

903
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 6: that it's a bear or not, and then we'd come

904
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 6: back once they're in deeper in hibernation.

905
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: With the bear in brush, will there be a hole

906
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 2: there or will they kind of pull brush back over themselves.

907
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 6: It really kind of depends on how deep the brush

908
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 6: is packed, and so sometimes they'll just like scoot under

909
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 6: and make a little nest and so they're semi covered,

910
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 6: and then when the snow falls, it'll cover the pile

911
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 6: and you know, then it's a nice little insulated area.

912
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 6: In other cases, you know, if you get like one

913
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 6: big tree top, sometimes they'll just crawl under that and

914
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 6: you can see them all winter long. And so it

915
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 6: just kind of depends on, you know, how obscured they

916
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 6: like to be. But in general, this time of year,

917
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 6: you'll be able to see them pretty clear.

918
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 3: Do you have a hypothesis as to why bears are

919
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 3: growing faster than they did ten twenty years ago.

920
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 6: I have a couple hypotheses but they all relate around food.

921
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 6: So the first of which is that we have more

922
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 6: corn on the landscape than we ever have before, or

923
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 6: you know, hybrids are shortening the rotation the rotation age

924
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 6: you know, we have like we're getting sub ninety corn.

925
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 6: Who knows you might be at sub eighty corn. You know.

926
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 6: Eventually they're planting the rose tighter than they ever have before.

927
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 6: When I was a kid, you used to be able

928
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 6: to walk the rose. Now I can only walk them

929
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 6: if you're sidling along the sideways, you know. To be fair,

930
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 6: I'm a little more rowe Ton than I was. But

931
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 6: they're also growing corn farther north or farther north, and

932
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 6: so I never figured when I was a kid that

933
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 6: they'd be growing a lot of corn, you know, up

934
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 6: in the Rose oh Country, Marshall County, the northwest, but

935
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 6: it does find up there now and more people are

936
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 6: are growing corn that far north. So that's for the

937
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 6: edge for the core bears. They're also heavier, you know

938
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 6: than they used to be, just not at a not

939
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 6: as much of an increase in that rate. And so

940
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 6: the other thing is that where we have oaks, you know,

941
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 6: the foresters will say, oh they're they're upper middle aged oaks.

942
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 6: They're getting past the point to stump sprout, and so

943
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 6: that actually is the best time to be producing masts,

944
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 6: and so they are cranking out jillions of acorns. Anybody

945
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 6: with oaks on their property over the last couple of years,

946
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 6: I think it's three or four years ago, it was

947
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 6: like walking around on marbles. There's so many. And we

948
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 6: have oaks farther north than we had before.

949
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, about two or three years ago we had the

950
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: lake we had Honest to goodness, I had to shovel

951
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 2: them away with a luminum scoop shovel and yeah, you

952
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: just put them with a pile and scoop them up

953
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 2: and chuck them off in the woods. Because you couldn't

954
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 2: walk on them. It's amazing.

955
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's absolutely craziness. And then you think all

956
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 6: the small mammals and blue jays and stuff are out,

957
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 6: you know, hauling them off and stashing them and they

958
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 6: often forget where they are. You get more oak farther north.

959
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 6: It's not a huge amount of oak in the far

960
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 6: northern part of the state, but we are seeing more

961
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 6: oak there. And then lastly, baiting has changed. We don't

962
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 6: have as many hunters as we used to do. You know,

963
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 6: we had a population peaked around twenty five thousand. That

964
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 6: was too much for society to handle, lots of proper

965
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 6: damage issues, but that's when you could get drawn like

966
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 6: every other year, and so we had a bunch of

967
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 6: tags out and the population started to decline. We kept

968
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 6: pulling tags down, pulling tags down, pulling tags down until

969
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 6: like twenty thirteen, and then we cut tags to nineteen

970
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 6: eighties level. So the population to recover. Now in the

971
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 6: those kind of edge zones that's where age of first

972
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 6: Street production was youngest, that's where the population recovered first,

973
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 6: and that's where we've been doing increases in tag numbers.

974
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 6: But commensurate with that, the baiting game has changed. We

975
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 6: have a ton of commercial bait dealers now and lots

976
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 6: of people are using trail mix. It's nuts, stuff that's

977
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 6: really nutritious for the bears and not that different from

978
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 6: what they'd be eating normally in the fall. And so

979
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 6: even in bad food years, the bears that are smart

980
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 6: enough to eat during non daylight hours when it's not

981
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 6: legal hunting hours, they're getting a big old pulse of

982
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 6: resources that they wouldn't normally and then they're able to

983
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 6: carry out pregnancies when they you know, normally wouldn't. Usually

984
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 6: when a bad food year happens, they don't have they

985
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 6: skip a litter and then they sync up with that

986
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 6: red oak cycle every other year. But now we just

987
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 6: don't see that, and so there's a lot of high

988
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 6: quality baits in the woods across the state and that's

989
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 6: certainly got to be playing a role.

990
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: Last question, Andy, Eric's youngest son, Chad or youngest brother, Chad.

991
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 2: He works with farm people and landowners and stuff, and

992
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 2: he was telling me yesterday that there is a lot

993
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: of farmers that he talks to with that are now

994
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 2: seeing bears in their corn that they've never seen before. Now,

995
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: is that something that you're noticing.

996
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 6: Too, Yes, we are noticing that. It's not necessarily that

997
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 6: they're using more corn than they have in the past.

998
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 6: But without question, bear range has changed. And so you know,

999
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 6: bear range was most constricted in the sixties before they

1000
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 6: became a game mammal. Than by the eighties, we had

1001
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 6: a bear range that essentially was like the northern forty

1002
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 6: ish percent of the state, and now that's expanded to

1003
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 6: like sixty percent of the state. So we have bears

1004
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 6: showing up from the Red River of the North in

1005
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 6: the far northwestern corner of the state all the way

1006
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 6: down to the ninety four corridor and sometimes past that.

1007
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 6: We have bears showing up in Glenwood and Fergus and

1008
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 6: moving out into the former prairies. We also have bears

1009
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 6: showing up in southern Minnesota. We've had a small pot

1010
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 6: in the driftless country down in the those old three

1011
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 6: hundred permit areas for deer, which I think there's only

1012
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 6: maybe one left. Mostly those are all those six hundred

1013
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 6: series now and you know, that's been a pretty small population,

1014
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 6: but it is growing, and we're starting to see more

1015
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 6: bears showing up and Winona close to Owatana. I got

1016
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 6: a call about a bear showing up in Elko new

1017
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 6: Market and this summer, and you know, bears in Northfield.

1018
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 6: There hadn't been bears in Northfield for one hundred years,

1019
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,479
Speaker 6: but we've had sightings the last couple and so that's

1020
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 6: definitely expanding. It's a slow, steady expansion, but Minnesota is

1021
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 6: bear country except in the far southwestern like the heavy

1022
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 6: duty corn areas in the far southwestern part of the state,

1023
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 6: and it's just part of the new normal, and so

1024
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 6: if farmers and egg producers are having issues with bears

1025
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 6: in the corn, their first stop needs to be calling

1026
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 6: their local area wildlife manager. We have a number of

1027
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 6: tools that are available to them, from technical advice all

1028
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 6: the way up until you know if the if a

1029
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 6: bear needs to be removed, we can do that. We

1030
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 6: don't trap and move bears anymore, they've done that for

1031
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 6: twenty five years. But in general, area while life managers

1032
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 6: should be your first call, and they can authorize a

1033
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 6: fair number of things to help those producers out.

1034
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: Andy, I thank you for your time yet again. It's

1035
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 2: always fascinating to chat with you, my friend. I really

1036
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: really enjoy it, and I hope you'll do it again

1037
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 2: with us.

1038
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 6: Absolutely anytime. I'll be getting ready to put the boat out.

1039
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 6: Today I'll be out out chasing after some whitefish and

1040
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 6: hopefully we're done today. It's been a slow run, but

1041
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 6: it's going to get real cold the next couple of days.

1042
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 6: My little baby raynods fingers aren't going to handle it

1043
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 6: very well. I hear you today.

1044
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 2: I hear you well. Good luck, buddy, good luck and

1045
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 2: take care in yeah, good luck with everything and everything

1046
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 2: get fishing and hunt and the whole works. Take that

1047
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: and he will talk again.

1048
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 6: Bud, appreciate it. I got a dog's all going crazy

1049
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 6: for some reason.

1050
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: They have see you later. That's Andy Try and he

1051
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 2: is with a D n R. He is a bear researcher,

1052
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 2: a bear person, full of knowledge, and it's really really

1053
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: fun chatting with him, and we thank him too. We'll

1054
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 2: take a pause. Tackle Tereus next right here on k

1055
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 2: f A N twenty one minutes after the hour of

1056
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: seven o'clock. We'll be with you until eight, and keep

1057
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 2: it right here on the fan because in the zone

1058
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 2: follows Us and Tucker and Synec and are awesome fun

1059
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: to listen to. YEP, I guarantee you're going to enjoy

1060
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 2: it if you're not a regular listener already, Tackle Terry

1061
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 2: joins us, and he joins us right now. Tackle, are you?

1062
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,439
Speaker 2: Are you thinking about getting your boat back out?

1063
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 7: Yes? I am, good morning, got in good morning? I

1064
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 7: want yet, I sure am, But I just took the

1065
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 7: extended forecast up and we're gonna get a little bit

1066
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 7: back to reality next week.

1067
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: It's pretty hard not today. Yeah, it's pretty hard not

1068
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 2: to because I saw nobody on the water day before yesterday.

1069
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: But I just can't believe it. Bob saw him on

1070
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: white Beer Lake.

1071
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 7: They were both yep, yeah, it just you know, but

1072
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 7: who ever thought that we would have? I woke up

1073
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 7: to smoch forty nine degrees here at our house soon.

1074
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 7: But the wind is picking up and a friend's coming through.

1075
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 7: So but it's and it's hard even shore fishing on

1076
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 7: guys that when you got to fight the wind all

1077
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 7: the time.

1078
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, And there are a couple of days

1079
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 2: that it was dead calm too, but there are yeah,

1080
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 2: And being on the calm side of the lake, the

1081
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: lee side, I think that's the best board if you're

1082
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 2: going to be I'm sure.

1083
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, you really have to, you know, take a

1084
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 7: look at that. It's just uh, it's just you know,

1085
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 7: too hard. You've got the wave of action and trying

1086
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 7: to cast you know, into the wind that you don't.

1087
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 7: It's just more difficult.

1088
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 2: If you will you're going shore fishing today.

1089
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 7: I'm not one hundred percent sure I got everything in

1090
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 7: the truck, So I'm just waiting for a phone call

1091
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 7: then I'll make a decision.

1092
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 3: And what would be your strategy if you if you

1093
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 3: were to go, what are you fishing for and how

1094
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 3: how would you go about it?

1095
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 7: Well, first of all fish or bathroom for sunfish. Take

1096
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 7: the rods and be all plastics today with a wacky

1097
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 7: worm and a net rig that would be one and

1098
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 7: then the other will be sunfish and that'll be either

1099
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 7: plastics or and a barber system with wax. From when

1100
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 7: I was out, it was just amazing how finniky these

1101
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 7: fish were. I just I tried a piece of a nightcrat.

1102
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 7: I might have have a home run here, not even

1103
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 7: a bite. And then I tried two wax rooms.

1104
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 4: Nothing.

1105
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 7: One wax firm was the ticket. It's just amazing all

1106
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 7: these minor details. But that's not just shot fishing at

1107
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 7: this time of the year, it just all throughout the

1108
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 7: whole year, winter in summer house. Small details make such

1109
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 7: a big difference.

1110
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 2: Are people starting to even think about ice fishing yet?

1111
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 7: Terry, Oh, you see our big time. In fact, I

1112
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 7: her sales were from a local bait shop. They were

1113
01:04:56,080 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 7: selling ice fishing equipment about three weeks ago already. And

1114
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 7: then I talked to a rainy river resort and if

1115
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:08,959
Speaker 7: anybody's looking at it, making reservation to do it soon,

1116
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 7: especially if you're going to pland of fishing in the

1117
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 7: in December because the bite is really on. So there's

1118
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 7: just a lot of people definitely are thinking about I say,

1119
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 7: I don't know there's any question about that whatsoever.

1120
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 2: Well, I think that when you get to the destination fishes,

1121
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 2: people are making the reservations and planning ahead that way.

1122
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 2: But that's not so unusual either, is.

1123
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 7: It not really? Except you know, it's just you know,

1124
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 7: I think everybody thought that we would have, you know,

1125
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 7: more of a normal fall pattern, and so so many

1126
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 7: people put their boats away and but now there and

1127
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 7: especially when you've got a good bite going and anticipation

1128
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 7: is going to keep going. I think it's you know,

1129
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 7: I think you're right to a certain point for the

1130
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 7: people that made already made a decision. But some people haven't.

1131
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 7: They're just sort of waiting to see what really happens

1132
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 7: with the weather, for instance, and then see what kind

1133
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 7: of a bite. But it is a good time, you know,

1134
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 7: even if it's locally guys, uh, you know, pick out

1135
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 7: a couple of lakes that are new to you, uh,

1136
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 7: and then challenge those lakes for ice fishing too, with

1137
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 7: the specie and the equipment, and it's just it's fun

1138
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 7: to get out there and do that. It sort of

1139
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 7: opens up and gains you a little bit more knowledge

1140
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 7: how I should approach, what I should do, and so forth.

1141
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: Terry, there is no normal anymore.

1142
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 7: No, there is no normal.

1143
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 2: The normal the normal today is not normal. Does that

1144
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 2: make sense?

1145
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, it does, It definitely does, And I think we

1146
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 7: just have to accept that. You know, we were talking

1147
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 7: about the other day too, about the amount of ice

1148
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 7: ice fishing people on these bodies of water.

1149
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, I in talking to the bait

1150
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 2: friends and I have up in sock that he had

1151
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 2: said that the number of hours spent fishing fishable hours

1152
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 2: are much higher in the winter, and also a lot

1153
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: of the smaller fish get taken through the ice too.

1154
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 6: Oh.

1155
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 7: Yes, we had a big conversation here the other day

1156
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 7: about that, in about people you now with forward facing sonar,

1157
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 7: which technology is here to say, we're not going to

1158
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 7: change it, but we had anglers have to change it,

1159
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 7: meaning that we don't want to take as many fish.

1160
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 7: In fact, as individual told me, he thought two ballys

1161
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 7: for a limit would be great plenty, And I was

1162
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 7: sort of shocked at that comment. But then if you

1163
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 7: think about it, we do have to respect mother nature,

1164
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 7: we have to respect the fishery itself, and we cannot

1165
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 7: and we know ice fishing anglers do have tendency to

1166
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 7: take a full limited fish. Like you said, bill size

1167
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 7: doesn't make a big difference in the world time, and

1168
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 7: then you go out day after day and take limits

1169
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 7: the fish home. You just can't eat a limit of

1170
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:08,919
Speaker 7: fish every single trip out.

1171
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 3: What do you think that is that people take more

1172
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 3: fish home in the winter versus summer.

1173
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 7: Well, I seek partially do. It's so easy. You know,

1174
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 7: you got either portable, you've got a skid house or

1175
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 7: a wheelhouse, so it's so easy to do. You don't

1176
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 7: have a launching of the boats too, you can jump

1177
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 7: around from lake to lake and h and many times

1178
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 7: there's several people that are unemployed in the wintertime. Then

1179
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 7: also too you got several English fish all night for

1180
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 7: croppies or for walleyes, So that's another factor. So I

1181
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 7: think at angling hours that's really a big ingredient of this.

1182
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 7: And too, I've seen it many many times. You guys

1183
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 7: have too, where people go go out and catch the

1184
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 7: limb the fish, go back home and come back out

1185
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 7: a couple hours later.

1186
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 2: Well, I know when the crappies and some of the

1187
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 2: fish are biting. I've seen that happen on lakes with

1188
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 2: pontoons and local people. And I don't know if there's

1189
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 2: an entitlement thought and there's mentality that way that you know,

1190
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 2: this is okay because I live here, that kind of thing.

1191
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 2: But I think it's changing with a younger generation a bit.

1192
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 2: But I will be curious Terry, very honestly in all

1193
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 2: sincerity too, the Bass Master Elite next fall or next summer,

1194
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 2: they are only going to allow about half of the

1195
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 2: tournaments to be able to use forward facing sonamar sonar.

1196
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 2: And my curiosity is that are people that are using

1197
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 2: it now? These are really good anglers, the cream of

1198
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 2: the crop, the best of all. But are they relying

1199
01:09:55,080 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 2: on the technology more than the person who is really

1200
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 2: looking for fish and trying to find them the quote

1201
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: unquote unsports the uh typical old fashioned way. I don't know,

1202
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 2: what do you think.

1203
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 7: I think you're right. I think with the forward facing uh,

1204
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 7: you know, there's some comments who that's knowledge are only

1205
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 7: picking out big fish, you know, in anybody of water.

1206
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot to be said about that

1207
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 7: that all of a sudden, you know, shall we say

1208
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 7: the uh, you don't have to be that knowledgeable about

1209
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 7: finding these fish location wise. You know, we're sure you

1210
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 7: need to know, you know about where to look, but

1211
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 7: so many times down and you're in the big comments, well,

1212
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 7: we didn't know these fish were suspended in this deep water.

1213
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 3: Uh.

1214
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 7: So you know that is going to definitely take a

1215
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 7: toll on these fish. And you know, looking I don't

1216
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 7: want to call it the old fashioned way, but that's

1217
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 7: not the correct state word to use. But I do

1218
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 7: think that there is a certain amount of people that

1219
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 7: are lying solely I'm ford facing sonar, and that is

1220
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 7: going to definitely hurt the fishery. But then if you

1221
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 7: think about it too, you know, if they don't have

1222
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 7: to go out and search so much, you're don't have

1223
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 7: to look for you know, pods of fish. They can

1224
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 7: just go and pick out the fish that they want.

1225
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 7: I was in boat where we used it, and it's

1226
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 7: just amazing what ford facing so I can do. In fact,

1227
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 7: you can see a fish and you can coax it

1228
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 7: into coming. You can see that it's going to turn away,

1229
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 7: or you need to jig a little bit more, do

1230
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 7: something a little bit different. To trigger that fish. It

1231
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 7: is literally amazing what it's helping.

1232
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, Terry, and I have nothing

1233
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 2: against it. I mean, I really don't. Right now, I'll

1234
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 2: see more people in the middle of a lake than

1235
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 2: I ever have in my lifetime, and that's a lot

1236
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: of years, no man. And the other thing, the one

1237
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 2: thing that I'm concerned about too, is there is no

1238
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 2: place for fish to get away anymore. There's no place

1239
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 2: that's called or like a refuge that the middle used

1240
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 2: to be or the suspended fish used to be. And

1241
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 2: that's a concern. But I can't take anything away from it, because,

1242
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 2: as you said, Terry, it's fun. It really is.

1243
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, But you're right though, You're hit the nail right

1244
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 7: on the head bill when you said there's no place

1245
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 7: for these fish to hide anymore. You know, the only

1246
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 7: thing that we can rely on is that they're going

1247
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 7: to keep moving away, and I think we see that

1248
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 7: in night fishing. In fact, I purposely watched, I saying,

1249
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 7: a couple of guys using ford facing sonar on the lake,

1250
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 7: and I just sort of was real cure. So I

1251
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 7: was fishing, but I was watching them. They would go

1252
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 7: and they set up and drug fuell no fish, and

1253
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 7: they move again, they move again, they kept moving and moving.

1254
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 7: And then sometimes that's not the greatest because if you

1255
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,759
Speaker 7: can be on fish, like for instance, for some or whatever,

1256
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 7: and you catch a few fish and then you start

1257
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,679
Speaker 7: to move it, they're not marketing them, but they usually

1258
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 7: many many times will come back, and so therefore them too.

1259
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 7: There you know, there's some I think drawbacks with some

1260
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 7: of this. But then on the other hand, you know, yes,

1261
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 7: we're not going to go down technology.

1262
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 2: No, we aren't going to. And I think the challenge

1263
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:27,600
Speaker 2: is how to regulate it so it's fair and the

1264
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 2: industry itself doesn't hurt from it, because that's crucial. Well,

1265
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 2: the dollars that are spent on this are very very

1266
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:43,440
Speaker 2: important for the economy and for those that do contribute

1267
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 2: to it.

1268
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 7: So you're right, you know, and you know, and I

1269
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 7: can see you know, fishing. Just say, some of the

1270
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 7: smaller tournaments, like local tournaments, your club tournaments and so

1271
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 7: for it were many many kinds of people using four

1272
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 7: facing so I win the tournament. So there has to

1273
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 7: be some you know, either they either ban it or

1274
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 7: they can all use it. I think that's a big

1275
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 7: it's almost like a handicap if you don't have it

1276
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 7: with you. And I heard a lot of comments where

1277
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 7: they had four face sonar so they won the tournament

1278
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 7: we're talking, you know, like club tournaments or small locational

1279
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 7: tournaments for whatever species. It may be.

1280
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 2: Well, now, if you don't have it and you're going

1281
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: to competitive fish, you're not competitive. You're just all right.

1282
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 2: That's the name of direct.

1283
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 7: Yes, you're a one hundred percent correct there. You just

1284
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 7: can't compete with that.

1285
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 4: No.

1286
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 2: I again, I take nothing away from it. It's the

1287
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 2: people that use it to choose to abuse it. And

1288
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 2: the same conversations were had when the underwater camera came out.

1289
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 2: The same conversations were had when the green box came

1290
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 2: out with the or the vexelars, when that the flashers

1291
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 2: came out. You're going to rape and pillage all the

1292
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 2: fish in the in the in the end, in the

1293
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 2: place GPS you are.

1294
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 7: I can remember that very very much. So when the

1295
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 7: green box came out, Oh my god, there's such an uproar.

1296
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 7: If you will or there's not going to be any

1297
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 7: fish left in the lake, you know, and uh, and

1298
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 7: we know that didn't happen, but it is a tool,

1299
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 7: you know, versus not using what vexba or whatever it

1300
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 7: may be throughout the wintertime. It is a great tool

1301
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 7: to have, but here too it really falls back on

1302
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:41,679
Speaker 7: except for tournament fishing about the up to the angler

1303
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 7: that they have to practice catchinities just take enough fish

1304
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:48,560
Speaker 7: home to eat. And I think too partially, Bill, is

1305
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 7: that you know, we're seeing so much of people now

1306
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 7: young and all ages, really pursuing bass because they're all

1307
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 7: should we say they're I don't want to see. They're

1308
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 7: easier to catch, but they're very abundant, so many bodies

1309
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 7: of water, so they're forgetting about fishing for walleys and

1310
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,719
Speaker 7: northern pike and even crappies and sunfish, except for the

1311
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 7: anger that I just want to want to pursue those species.

1312
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 2: Terry. We're going to let you go, my friend, but

1313
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 2: I thank you for your time and interesting conversation. Buddy.

1314
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 7: Really we'll pick up more on that conversation.

1315
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 2: Oh we probably will.

1316
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,759
Speaker 7: Everybody have a wonderful weekend you guys too, and enjoy

1317
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 7: the win that's supposed to be coming up today.

1318
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 2: Yes it will. That's tackle Terry. Every other week, he

1319
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 2: joins us, and we will take our final pause and

1320
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 2: be back with We'll let Bob talk. Okay, how's that

1321
01:16:42,120 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 2: right after this last segment outdoors? Be sure you keep

1322
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 2: it right here. M Mister Sinicon just walked into the

1323
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 2: control booth and he is ready to roll, locked and loaded,

1324
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 2: So keep it right here. Okay. Hey, I've got a

1325
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 2: gift if people want are interested for Christmas or Roth

1326
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 2: and it won't cost your mind, not even Thanksgiving yet, No,

1327
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 2: not even Thanksgiving. But because I get this and you

1328
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 2: probably do too. The Minnesota Conservation Volunteer magazine comes out

1329
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 2: every other month and it's just I read it from

1330
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 2: cover to cover and they're great short articles, they're local

1331
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 2: and you really it doesn't cost you anything. And they're

1332
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 2: asking for some donations and it goes to the DNR.

1333
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 2: But it's the magazine itself is a DNR publication. It's

1334
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 2: very very well put together, very well done. This current

1335
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 2: one has got a rabbit on the cover. What did

1336
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 2: you get at I haven't seen it? Oh really, yeah,

1337
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: it's like that. Oh I have seen that at the office.

1338
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 2: It didn't come to my home.

1339
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 6: Noo.

1340
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 2: It might be time for me to renew. Yeah, my

1341
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 2: father used to get it. It's been has an old

1342
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 2: it's been around a long time and I'd read it

1343
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 2: then too, But this is a good one.

1344
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 3: Christmas, Wow, get Christmas on the mind. No, not necessarily,

1345
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 3: but you've got to.

1346
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 2: You've got to get and you can get a certificate

1347
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 2: saying that you've given it. But this issue, it gives

1348
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 2: you a number that you can call, and I haven't

1349
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 2: got my glasses on, so not very well prepared there,

1350
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 2: I'm not. You can call the start or renew gifts

1351
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 2: for the holidays. You can call eight four four two

1352
01:18:54,320 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 2: four five seven one one five Monday through Friday eight

1353
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 2: to six pm. And you can get it online too.

1354
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 2: But eight four four, two four five seven reading phone numbers?

1355
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 3: Are you going to give us a ski report at

1356
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 3: some point just during this show too?

1357
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 2: No, although I thought I'll bet you did too. I

1358
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 2: thought one of these ski resorts are open. I'll bet

1359
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: they've got to be just gnashing their teeth with seventy degrees.

1360
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 3: Well, after I talked to you last Saturday, from the up,

1361
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 3: it's beautiful Saturday transitioned to kind of a temperatures falling Sunday,

1362
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 3: and then Monday, I had I was there for a

1363
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 3: long weekend lake effect hit yeah, there was a foot

1364
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 3: of snow.

1365
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 2: Oh it was Uh, it was full on winter back home.

1366
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 2: So I I, uh, did you go outside roll around

1367
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 2: a little bit?

1368
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 3: The dog did. I went out looking for Gralise and

1369
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 3: they were nowhere to be found once the snow hit.

1370
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 3: I think they were in a cedar swamp somewhere. But yeah,

1371
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 3: it was a little bit of a shock to the system,

1372
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 3: but it was good for me kind of you know,

1373
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 3: got my blood ready for cold temperatures and get a

1374
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 3: mindset of winter is just around the corner.

1375
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 2: I did think of you last week when they had

1376
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 2: the southeastern or southwestern Minnesota got snowed on. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise,

1377
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 2: sprise prize. It would have been nice to be out

1378
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 2: Pheasant Honting. That's what I was saying. As you've talked about.

1379
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 3: The greatest well next to the opener, the first snow

1380
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 3: of the season is the best second best day to

1381
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 3: be out pheasant on.

1382
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 2: It and the firearm deer season week two, week two

1383
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 2: in Minnesota and day one.

1384
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been open for maybe an hour in the

1385
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 3: state of Michigan today and but in Wisconsin where a

1386
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 3: week away.

1387
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 2: I believe, Yeah, I think it's something like that. Yeah,

1388
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 2: I don't care to here, but I believe it's next

1389
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 2: Saturday in Wisconsin. And but there are from all the

1390
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 2: reports I've read, there are a number of deer being

1391
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 2: shot and a lot of tags being filled. And the

1392
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 2: other thing is for me, And this is the old

1393
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 2: guy in me. When they keep people keep talking about

1394
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:32,839
Speaker 2: harvesting a deer, I get the similarity, the political correctness

1395
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 2: of the word harvest. Yeah, I just I can't I

1396
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 2: can't fathom that. I just can't swallow it. I shoot

1397
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 2: a deer, bag your buck, Yeah, I mean I tag

1398
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,839
Speaker 2: a buck, I'll tag a dough. I am not fussy.

1399
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:48,679
Speaker 2: I'm hunting for something to eat.

1400
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 3: But it sort of sanitizes the reality of hunting in well,

1401
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 3: the consumption of meat is the result of an animal.

1402
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 2: No matter if it's from the grocery. It's just natural. Yeah,

1403
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 2: that's I mean, part of life. I can't tell you

1404
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 2: how many kids when I was in school thought that

1405
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 2: meat came from the grocery store in styrofoam packages with

1406
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 2: cellophane over the top.

1407
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 3: Although Leopold wrote about that in the sixties, like we're

1408
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 3: so disconnected from the food, And you know that was

1409
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 3: sixty years ago.

1410
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 2: And I spoke last week with there's if I puh

1411
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 2: hold a rooster pheasant in my hand, I don't hold

1412
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 2: typically hen pheasants in my hand. Good but good, well,

1413
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 2: thanks for making that distinction. I look at a rooster,

1414
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 2: there's a certain sadness I'll feel when I look at it.

1415
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 2: I feel the same way when I'm hunting a deer.

1416
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 2: If I drop a deer, I'm walking up, there's a

1417
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 2: sadness that I feel when I look at the eyes

1418
01:22:55,760 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 2: the animals lying dead on the ground. But it passes then.

1419
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 2: Actually Eric said when he shot that deer day before

1420
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 2: yesterday that he says, I said, did you find the deer?

1421
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 2: I'm texting him, do you find the deer? Yep, it

1422
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 2: was right here, and shut me. He sent me a

1423
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 2: picture and stuff, and then he said, and now the

1424
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 2: work begins. You can admire, but then the reality comes

1425
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 2: home to roost. You've got to fuel dress the deer,

1426
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 2: got the deer, You've got to clean out the cavity,

1427
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 2: and you need then you had to get it cool

1428
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 2: as fast as possible, and you're going to hang it up.

1429
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 2: But he also said, I don't know how I'm going

1430
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 2: to get this thing in the back of my truck.

1431
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 2: It was a big one, A big one. Yeah, And

1432
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 2: I said, well, I've done that, but it wasn't with

1433
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 2: a big deer. But I got the head up and

1434
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 2: tied the head to the front on the ring with

1435
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 2: a rope and then managed to get the body back

1436
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 2: up and push it into the truck. But yeah, and

1437
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 2: it's just literally dead weight. But he had the farmer

1438
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 2: that owns the property came out and helped him got

1439
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 2: into this truck. But yeah, there's there's a sadness. And

1440
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 2: I said last week too, that's a respect. I really

1441
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 2: had appreciation, very much so, very much so. And I

1442
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 2: don't know if anybody that doesn't feel that. Maybe not

1443
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 2: in the beginning when you're young, but as people get

1444
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 2: a little bit older and experienced, there's a certain I

1445
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 2: admire the color on a rooster pheasant. I'm just it's beautiful,

1446
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 2: just drop dead gorgeous. When they get up and they

1447
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 2: crow and cackle and they're flying far fast away, it's

1448
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 2: pretty incredible. What's your assessment of the season so far?

1449
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 2: Pheasant season so far? What bird numbers?

1450
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 3: Because we had a great opener to get there, and

1451
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 3: then I've been points south east west and we haven't.

1452
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 3: We haven't been in the field since opening weekend together.

1453
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 2: I haven't seen much very honestly. A couple of times

1454
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 2: that it wasn't me, Eric. I think it was Eric

1455
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 2: on the end of a field. I didn't want to

1456
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 2: walk that far, but he did. He put up all

1457
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 2: kinds of birds and they must have come out of

1458
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 2: the corn or something. I think people are going to

1459
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 2: start seeing more birds now, yeah, you mentioned that as

1460
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:39,719
Speaker 2: a corn corn being out. Yeah, we got this cough anyway,

1461
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 2: it's what do you think?

1462
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, well, grouse I think are significantly down. In

1463
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 3: my opinion, Pheasants are better than I anticipated, for sure,

1464
01:25:56,439 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 3: based on what happened in the spring with the means

1465
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 3: and you know what I was predicting for reproduction being poor.

1466
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 3: You know, the DNRS August roadside counts, you know, contradicted that.

1467
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:12,799
Speaker 2: I think it was accurate.

1468
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 3: But you know there's not there's not a bird under

1469
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:21,719
Speaker 3: every bush sort of thing, which I think it relates

1470
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 3: back to corn. So it would be really interesting. I

1471
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 3: haven't pheasant hunted in three weekends, so it'd be interesting

1472
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 3: once I get back out next weekend.

1473
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 2: That's what I'm doing.

1474
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 3: My brother and nephew are coming to town, and I'll

1475
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 3: get a better assessment of what the bird numbers are

1476
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 3: like after the corn's been out.

1477
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I it's kind of typical. I had high

1478
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 2: expectations after our opener, which was great. Yeah, we had

1479
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 2: a wonderful opener. But since then, very honestly, I haven't

1480
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 2: fired a shot. Oh is that right? Yeah, I have

1481
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 2: a walked is hard, but I've hunted pretty much until

1482
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 2: until a week ago. I had a pretty much yeah,

1483
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 2: three to five days a week, but I was walking

1484
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 2: long distances. But there was a lot of corn up

1485
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 2: and I think that the easy birds got taken. Yeah,

1486
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 2: but that's just me. I'm not going to quit.

1487
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 3: Well, heck no, we still got long time two months, yeah,

1488
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 3: almost long time.

1489
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 2: Well the music means it's time for end the zone,

1490
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 2: so they are going to be up and next. But

1491
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 2: I got to say thank you to Jiggy Anderson, Jeff

1492
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 2: Anderson for joining us with a fun conversation other than

1493
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 2: awesome conversations, to Andy Try for chatting with us Tackle Terry.

1494
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 2: We're thinking a little bit about fishing and having a conversation,

1495
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 2: but thank you for allowing us to travel with you.

1496
01:27:55,280 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 2: For Brett Bigmore. Am I producer executive that is from

1497
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 2: Bob Saint Pierre, the one and only who is off

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Speaker 2: and about next week. I am Billie Hildebrand, wishing you

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Speaker 2: a great weekend in the outdoors. Until next week, I'll

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Speaker 2: leave you with Tata