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Speaker 2: to our night last night as well. We've got a busy,

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Speaker 2: busy three hours ahead of us here. We've got guests throughout.

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor isn't a guest, but he speaks today, so

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Speaker 2: we'll carry that audio. At one o'clock, we'll hear what

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor has to say. Going into this week, looking

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Speaker 2: Bengals sign Xavier Johnson, former Ohio state wide receiver. He's

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Speaker 2: put some fans in the stands Zach Taylor at one o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Carr locked on Red's We'll join us at two o'clock.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna spend a lot of time today talking about

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Speaker 2: what Ken Rosenthal reported on with the Reds free agency plan.

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Speaker 2: Now that they've missed on Kyle Schwarber, it's going to

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Speaker 2: be a topic of conversation all throughout the afternoon. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure we'll take some phone calls along the way. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. On that happy birthday, Joe Burrow, Joey Bee's

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Speaker 2: birthday is today. James Rapene wrote an article talked about

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Speaker 2: the clock is ticking. It's an inevitable truth when it

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Speaker 2: comes to Joe Burrow, the clock is ticking. We'll discuss

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Speaker 2: that this afternoon. The old line improvement. You asked the

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Speaker 2: question to Joe Daniman yesterday, Austin. I think we should

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Speaker 2: expand on it a little bit. Just how well this

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Speaker 2: offensive line has played and in a season filled with

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Speaker 2: turmoil and ups and downs. If you're looking at a

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Speaker 2: positive for both now and the foundation being said for

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Speaker 2: the future, the Bengals offensive line is one of those things.

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Speaker 2: We'll spend some time on that today. Also, we'll look

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Speaker 2: back to the Ravens win from a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: and look ahead to what the Bengals will have to

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Speaker 2: do in order to beat the Ravens this week. Mock

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Speaker 2: drafts are happening across the NFL. Are we ready for

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Speaker 2: mock drafts yet, Austin Or do you need to be

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent out of playoff contention before you'll even

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Speaker 2: look at a mock draft.

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Speaker 3: I'll look at a mock draft, you know, at all times,

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Speaker 3: just because I want to familiarize myself with some of

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Speaker 3: They're a fun time killer. They're a fun conversation starter.

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Speaker 3: Field Yates threw one out there today. Unfortunately, you know

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't that just be a kick in the groin? And

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Speaker 3: then it has the Bengals, according to field Yates, going

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Speaker 3: for Ruben Bain Junior, the edge rusher out of Miami. Okay,

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Speaker 3: he says, does field Yates, Hendrickson and Osi are scheduled

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Speaker 2: Ruben Bain Junior latest mock draft already for the Cincinnati Bengals. Hey,

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Speaker 2: congratulations to the White Sox Austin. Do you hear what

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Speaker 2: They won the the draft lottery. I didn't even know

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Speaker 3: The Chicago White Sox have won the draft lottery. The

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Speaker 3: Reds are number eighteen oh in the opening round of

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Speaker 3: the upcoming twenty twenty six Major League Baseball Draft.

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Speaker 3: I believe the Rule five draft is happening today.

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Speaker 3: And the expectation is that the Reds will be active

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Speaker 3: It is also the final day of Winter meetings. Could

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Speaker 3: there be another blockbuster on the horizon. Well, there are

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Speaker 3: reports out there that the Reds are interested or trying

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Speaker 3: to trade for one Cotel Marte of the Arizona Diamondbacks.

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Speaker 3: Don't know, you know what that would look like, but.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, Matt McClean will goes somewhere and be an

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Speaker 2: We'll do that and shout out to most New York Knicks. Them,

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Speaker 2: along with the Orlando Magic cost of advanced to the

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Speaker 3: I saw a headline about the Knicks. Oh, it said,

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Speaker 3: Looking no a unidentity their identity. Oh okay, shout out

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Speaker 3: to Asia Wilson, by the way, AP Female Athlete of

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Speaker 3: I mean everyone talks about Caitlin Clark and Angel Reeds, Buckets,

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Speaker 2: I read a story. I know she's dating Bam out

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Can you imagine you're Asia Wilson. You practice one

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Speaker 2: No wonder she's dominating on a daily basis. Also, if

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Speaker 2: in the show today Austin, last night was the start

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Speaker 2: of V Week. If you're not familiar, V Week circles

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Speaker 2: around the Jimmy V Foundation, jim Valvano. Jimmy V Week

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Speaker 2: started yesterday. I'm sorry. It started on December second and

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Speaker 2: runs through officially December fourteenth. But last night in college

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Speaker 2: And if you're not familiar, during V Week, they match

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Speaker 2: up to a million dollars that is being donated for

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Speaker 2: go right to cancer research. So this isn't a thing

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Speaker 2: when I was growing up Austin, for as long as

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Speaker 2: watch Jim Valvano's speech from the original SB Awards, And

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Speaker 2: not because I'm urging people to donate to the foundation,

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Speaker 2: but in the speech there are just things that Jim

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Speaker 2: of good ones. Last night, Number ten rated BYU was

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Speaker 2: down forty three to twenty two at the half to Clemson.

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Speaker 2: Last night, BYU outscores Clemson forty five to twenty one,

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Speaker 2: including a Robert right the third three pointer as time

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Speaker 2: expired to give BYU the sixty seven sixty four win.

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Speaker 2: It was absolute madness. AJ Debansta scored twenty two of

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Speaker 2: being referred to Austin as this generation's Tracy McGrady. Oh

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you McGrady was in attendance last night. If

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Speaker 2: he looks NBA ready right now. He's unbelievable to watch.

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Speaker 2: BYU wins. They beat Clemson, and then in a nightcap,

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Speaker 2: it was the defending champions, the Florida Gators, against a

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Speaker 2: the Yukon Huskies, And it was Yukon getting the better

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Speaker 2: Michigan has now beat six opponents in a row by

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Speaker 2: twenty five or more points. They dominated Villanova last night

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Speaker 3: Not a lot of people there in Columbus last night, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I saw that. But if you've seen the crowds at

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, cinty three to sixty, fifteen thirty

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Speaker 2: we can mention that Xavier Johnson is a Cincinnati Bengal. Now,

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Speaker 3: Probably not know?

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Speaker 2: Okay, pay two good plays at Ohio State.

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Speaker 3: Sure a lot of guys have. Yeah, you made a

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Speaker 2: Can he help the team more than Jermaine Burnham?

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Speaker 3: which is what's amazing to me. Now, the Reds aren't

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Speaker 3: the ones who came out and said we're not gonna

431
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Speaker 3: go after anybody else. That was a report from Ken Rosenthal,

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Speaker 3: but somehow he had to get that information. Someone told

433
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Speaker 3: him that. But they've also openly said we want to

434
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Speaker 3: eliminate peaks and valleys. We're trying to break even where

435
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Speaker 3: else you're gonna go. That is open. They have been

436
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Speaker 3: very open and transparent about their plan, and it is insulting.

437
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: I feel insulted as a Reds fan that the only

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Speaker 3: way they would consider trying to make a splash and

439
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Speaker 3: free agency is if it's a guy who is from

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Speaker 3: here as opposed to a guy who can help you

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Speaker 3: win baseball games. It go to show that the priority

442
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Speaker 3: list for the Reds is revenue is first, winning baseball

443
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Speaker 3: games is second. Yeah, they have the ability, and there

444
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Speaker 3: are avenues within the way that the ownership is structured

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Speaker 3: and the way that the financial product can be a

446
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Speaker 3: like all of it, there are avenues. The Reds do

447
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Speaker 3: not go down them. It's an issue and if they're

448
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Speaker 3: not gonna make a run and a guy right now

449
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Speaker 3: like Kyle Schwarber. And when you really look at it,

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Speaker 3: I had been saying that the Reds deserve credit for

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Speaker 3: taking a swing. I don't know that they deserve all

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Speaker 3: that much credit because even the Pirates offered him thirty

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Speaker 3: million dollars a year, the Reds didn't do that, which

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Speaker 3: is hard to believe. And who knows what the incentives were.

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Speaker 3: But to to just continue this down this path of

456
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Speaker 3: we're gonna draft and develop and play small ball and

457
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Speaker 3: this that and the other, well, listen, man, they're not

458
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Speaker 3: gonna play baseball next summer or this summer. They will

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Speaker 3: next summer they will not. And after that the Reds

460
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: will cry pour again because nobody came to the games

461
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 3: and they won't ask for money from their other investors.

462
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Speaker 3: And so we'll go through this vicious cycle and then

463
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Speaker 3: Ellie de la Cruz is out the door in twenty nine.

464
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Speaker 3: They have a club option for Hunter Green then too,

465
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Speaker 3: and we'll just restart this whole thing over and over again.

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Speaker 2: So can I just ask a dumb question?

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Speaker 3: So if not now, then win? Can I just add

468
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Speaker 3: my question a dumb question?

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Speaker 2: Sure? Do they not understand that winning games will lead

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Speaker 2: to more revenue.

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Speaker 3: They don't care about winning games.

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Speaker 2: But they want revenue. They want fans in the stands,

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Speaker 2: their revenue winning games does that. We've seen that, Like

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Speaker 2: we've seen.

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Speaker 3: They think, I would imagine their thought process is it

476
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Speaker 3: costs more and it's a bigger risk to go and

477
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Speaker 3: sign players than it is to put together a ticket

478
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Speaker 3: package or a bibblehead night or trot out some big

479
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 3: red machine guys. That's a low risk, cheap alternative to

480
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: get butts in the seats as opposed to a five

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Speaker 3: or six year contract with the player who could get

482
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Speaker 3: hurt or could you know, not perform or whatever reason

483
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Speaker 3: regardless of.

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Speaker 2: Winning. Well, add more to their pocket And I get

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Speaker 2: your sense of it too. But like we've seen instances

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Speaker 2: in the past couple of years Austin, when they've just

487
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: teased five hundred, when they've teased getting into the wild

488
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Speaker 2: card race, the stadium is rocking. Was it two years

489
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: ago that Tiger series where the Tigers eventually swept them?

490
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Speaker 2: And I remember going down to that series and thinking,

491
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Speaker 2: holy cow, this stadium is alive and all three they

492
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Speaker 2: got swept by the Tigers. But that was just them

493
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,239
Speaker 2: teasing being competitive. We saw last year at times when

494
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: this team went on a little bit of a run

495
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Speaker 2: and they got in the conversation. The atmosphere was a

496
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Speaker 2: electric at Great American Ballpark. I get revenue, revenue, revenue, revenue.

497
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Speaker 2: Just win games and the revenue is gonna come. It's

498
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Speaker 2: so backwards in a way of thinking, and.

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Speaker 3: I think you're missing the point though. The point is

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Speaker 3: if we can go if we can try to build

501
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Speaker 3: a team as cheap as possible through draft and developing,

502
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 3: and but they can't build that low level free agents again,

503
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 3: put your put yourself in their shoes. If we can

504
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: do that and actually win some games, more people will

505
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 3: come and we don't have to have the significant financial

506
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Speaker 3: investment in someone else.

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Speaker 2: That It's never about the pursuit of a champion.

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Speaker 3: It hasn't been about the pursuit of a chance. It

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Speaker 3: never will be for years. It never will be. It

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Speaker 3: might be maybe one day when other people are no

511
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Speaker 3: longer in charge, but right now it's.

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Speaker 2: Not just just and as a as a lifelong Reds fan,

513
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: it's maddening. Sure, it's frustrating because you know what it

514
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Speaker 2: could be, let's say.

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Speaker 3: And it sucks too, because there are some really good

516
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Speaker 3: people in that organization and people that I think are

517
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: smart if they want to win and are trying like hell,

518
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Speaker 3: and they do incredible things in the in the community,

519
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Speaker 3: and we have a great relationship with a lot of

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Speaker 3: people down there. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: winning is not the priority, and that's all fans really

522
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Speaker 3: care about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, what is the backing Austin if they say, well, Red,

524
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Speaker 2: we just missed on Kyle Schwarber, but we're going to

525
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Speaker 2: go after another one.

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Speaker 3: And I think we've already started to see some of

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Speaker 3: the you know, pr trying to come in and save

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Speaker 3: themselves by oh now they're interested in Catel Marte. Are

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Speaker 3: they really or did they make the next a weak

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Speaker 3: ass all for the Diamondbacks and leak it and say,

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Speaker 3: I'll see we're still trying. Because when you're not doing

532
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Speaker 3: everything in your power to win, you no longer get

533
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Speaker 3: the benefit of the doubt. No one believes that you're

534
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Speaker 3: actually actively trying to get better. You're on record for

535
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Speaker 3: saying you've got five to ten million dollars in payroll

536
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Speaker 3: left to go. Yep, so we know you're not really trying.

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Speaker 3: when are him and Caleb William's gonna start a podcast?

554
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Speaker 2: That'd be good, that'd be fun. We need more podcasts,

555
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: you know. Uh? Did you see the Philip Rivers start

556
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Speaker 2: of his press conference today? I did, Yeah, How good

557
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: was that?

558
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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: Wow, no, zoom, he's a The last time Philip Rivers

560
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: was around, I've never there were zoom calls for the

561
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Speaker 2: team meetings.

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Speaker 3: I've never been a huge Philip Rivers fan, to be honest.

563
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Speaker 2: He's intense.

564
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Speaker 3: Man, I've never really like been like, gosh, I love

565
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Speaker 3: that guy, but I do find him fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Well, where are we gonna slot him in today on

567
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Speaker 2: our QB tears?

568
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Speaker 3: Uh, he's not on him. Oh, okay, he's not on mine.

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Speaker 3: All right, I have three tiers basically fair enough, Mike

570
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Speaker 3: is calling in. What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Mike?

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, thank you appreciate it. Hey, you know, did

573
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Speaker 4: you watch that Florida Yukon game last night? Time? Yes,

574
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Speaker 4: Florida should have won that game. They had that five

575
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Speaker 4: second called that blew the game. Boy. Their coach was

576
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Speaker 4: pissed off, wasn't you? Yep?

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Speaker 2: That was both games last night that the B y

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Speaker 2: U Clemson and Florida Yukon. That was high level college

579
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Speaker 2: basketball at Madison Square Garden.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it was at Florida front Line. Those guys are

581
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Speaker 4: talented and they'll just get better as the year goes.

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Speaker 4: They're they're scary teams. I think, hey, you know what

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Speaker 4: they were. I heard an interview with Edwin Diaz and

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Speaker 4: they were asking him about his brother or r X,

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Speaker 4: and uh, he's been working with h Dennis Eckers. He's

586
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 4: been working started working with the Dodgers relief pitchers last year,

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Speaker 4: and uh, they said, he's starting to come around. He's

588
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 4: added he's added a pitch to and he changed his

589
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 4: mechanics and stuff. Evidently has helped him out a lot.

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Speaker 4: So we'll see what happens. Maybe their ds end up

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Speaker 4: listing back again one day. Who knows.

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Speaker 2: It's just always it's it's unique with pitchers as well,

593
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: because you've seen the ability at one point or another

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00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: that they can be elite and sometimes maybe it is

595
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: just a new coach being able to add something different

596
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: that unlocks something and gets them back to who they were.

597
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: And if that's the case for the Dodgers and they

598
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Speaker 2: got both, you know they can get Edwin and Alexis good.

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Speaker 3: Luck Alexis is with the Braves.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yes, yeah, but what the Dodgers were more

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Speaker 2: possibly able to open up with him?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Ackers league really helped bring him around and

603
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: then they shocked him out. But but I was looking

604
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Speaker 4: at at Eckersley's career record, Tony. I knew he was

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Speaker 4: a starter, but I didn't know he had one hundred

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Speaker 4: complete games. He started three hundred and sixty one games,

607
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Speaker 4: completed one hundred of them, and then he he had

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Speaker 4: one thousand and seventy one games that he that he

609
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Speaker 4: had four hundred saves, then with twenty five hundred strikeouts

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Speaker 4: in a three point by the ra Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The deplet game status, Well, it'll just it'll never be

612
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Speaker 2: like that again. They're just with the pitch. The pitch

613
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: counts for players. You're just not going to see pitchers

614
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Speaker 2: go the distance like so many players I remember watching

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Speaker 2: growing up, that we're able to go out there and

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Speaker 2: throw one hundred and twenty five pitches and go nine

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Speaker 2: innings and then come back and do the same thing

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Speaker 2: in their next start.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that those days are gone. You're right. It's kind

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Speaker 4: of a shame in a way, I think, because everything's

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Speaker 4: gotten so dogged on, compartmentalized.

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Speaker 2: Well everything everything now is about velocity and it's and

623
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Speaker 2: it just everything puts so much stress on the arm

624
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: that these arms are just failing at a higher rate

625
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Speaker 2: because all anyone cares about is how hard can you

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Speaker 2: throw the ball?

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Speaker 4: And that's happening when they're starting at nine ten years old, right, correct? Yeah,

628
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Speaker 4: so by the time they're eighteen, they already are probably

629
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Speaker 4: developing problems that aren't known yet that are ready to

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Speaker 4: jump down. Hey, one quick question on the NFL. This

631
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Speaker 4: Houston team, now that defense is just staggering.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's a super Bowl defense.

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Speaker 4: It is, and Lee, that's what I want to confirm with.

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Speaker 4: I know Austin believes in Houston defense, but uh, do

635
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 4: you think Stroud's starting to come around now? You think

636
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 4: that offense can could get them there? Or are they not?

637
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: I still think their offensive line has a ways to go,

638
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: But their last win against the Chiefs, I thought it

639
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: was the best I've seen Stroud. Look, I know he's

640
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: he's been dealing with concussion and and and getting back

641
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: from that, but it feels like you still got Nico Collins.

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00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: I know they they drafted Jayden Higgins high and he's

643
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: played extremely well this year. So I don't think that

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00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: they're their offense will be a storyline at any point,

645
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Speaker 2: but they're good enough with how good that defense is

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Speaker 2: to compete.

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Speaker 4: Kind of like the Bears were back in age. I

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Speaker 4: mean they had Walter, but other than that, they didn't

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Speaker 4: have nothing. I don't remember much on offense, so so

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Speaker 4: did who was that other wide? And then I know

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Speaker 4: you gotta go who was that other wide out?

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Speaker 5: Tank?

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Speaker 4: That's his first nickname.

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Speaker 3: Let's take down. Yeah he's I think he's out for

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Speaker 3: the season still with that injury from last year.

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Speaker 4: He was a stud though, wasn't he? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And really what they've lost Nick Chubbs has been questionable.

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Speaker 2: That the whole Joe Mixon situation I think has hurt

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Speaker 2: this team dearly this year and and just the unknown

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Speaker 2: around that. So I Dalton Schultz is a good tight end.

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Speaker 2: They they have good, okay pieces on offense, but their

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Speaker 2: their defense is going to be what wins them or

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Speaker 2: loses them games.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they do. They might do some damage in the claffs.

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Speaker 2: Nice appreciate it. Uh, Greg, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 5: How's it going guys?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 5: If obviously the Reds were serious little Kyle Scharver, But

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Speaker 5: if they're still serious, why not maybe take a shot

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Speaker 5: at Alonzo? And you know what I like about Alonzo?

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Speaker 5: Besides all the numbers, the last couple of couple of years,

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Speaker 5: he played one hundred and sixty two games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, Durable, you're gonna.

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Speaker 5: Rema ain't serious. Maybe they are taking a shot at him.

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Speaker 5: And then the other thing. Of course, I'm one of

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Speaker 5: those guys that can't let stuff go. But when I

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Speaker 5: saw the Pirates, I think it was thirty million a year.

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Speaker 5: The first thing I thought of, we owe Key Bryant

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Speaker 5: thirty million for the next four years, a total of

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Speaker 5: thirty million. I thought, Wow, we really helped the Pirates out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I want to tell you that is, you know, one

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Speaker 5: of the dumbest moves I've ever seen.

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Speaker 4: The Reds move.

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Speaker 2: Mate.

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Speaker 5: The guy cannot hit and he's got a chronic bad back.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yes, And and you know, but he can feel.

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Speaker 5: There's spent all these guys that, hey, he is a

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Speaker 5: great feeler. So what and then let's see going back

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Speaker 5: to the back. I know you guys all remember Scott Rowland,

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Speaker 5: we name him here for a couple of years and

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Speaker 5: Scott Rowland wanted to play enough another couple of years

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Speaker 5: that he couldn't because he had a chronic bad back. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: it's just when I see the Pirates, you're offering thirty million,

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Speaker 5: I said, Well, I know we're seven and a half

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Speaker 5: million came from Sure dumping him on us. So anyway, Greg,

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Speaker 5: thank you, man, I have good day.

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Speaker 2: Let me finish this conversation by asking you a question

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Speaker 2: that Moe asked me during one of the breaks. Austin.

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Speaker 2: If you were a Reds fan and you're on the

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Speaker 2: fence about buying a thirteen game ticket package, and you

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Speaker 2: were saying, well, if they had Kyle Schwarber, I would

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Speaker 2: buy the thirteen game package. Would you not buy the

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Speaker 2: same package if they got Pete Alonzo? Right, for a

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Speaker 2: lot of Reds fans, would that be the biggest deal breaker? Beg, Well,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I was going to buy that package

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Speaker 2: if it was Swarber. But if it's pet Alonzo, I'm out. Yep,

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Speaker 2: I don't think many fans would. And I'd be like,

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Speaker 2: all right, I can get around that. Let's go see

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Speaker 2: Pete Alonzo, as Greg just mentioned, plays a ton of games,

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Speaker 2: hits a ton of home runs by all accounts, great teammate.

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Speaker 2: Would you really be out? Would you really say I'm

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Speaker 2: not buying tickets now they didn't get Swarber, I'm out?

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Speaker 2: Who cares if they get Alonzo?

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Speaker 3: How many thirteen game packages. Are you gonna buy with

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Speaker 3: Austin Hayes on an eight million dollars deal?

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Speaker 2: It's a great question. What about Key Brian about his back.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a break. We'll finish up Hour number one

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Speaker 2: next and then we'll get to hear from Zach Taylor

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Speaker 2: to kick off Hour number two.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it. I get off talking about

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Speaker 3: the I know this is much rather here, Zach taalk

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Speaker 3: this is maddening. Let's talk about the Bengals and their

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Speaker 3: path to the playoffs. ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: From the Tom recked In Heating and welcome back Cinty

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Speaker 2: three to sixty thanks to Skyline Chili and their new

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Speaker 2: Skyline Mac and Cheese three way, which is back. It's

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Speaker 2: since he three to sixty. Hour number one, Zach Taylor's

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Speaker 2: weekly press conference will kick off our second hour in

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Speaker 2: just a few minutes, which means we are very quick

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Speaker 2: to get to our end of the hour. Break here, Austin,

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Speaker 2: I didn't have a chance last night to see, but

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Speaker 2: I have seen video clips. Were any big takeaways from

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Speaker 2: I know you're a Hard Knocks guy, I know they are.

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Speaker 2: In season edition of Hard Knocks is happening right now.

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Speaker 2: Big takeaway for you last night was.

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Speaker 3: What two things through the first two episodes. Brian Schottenheimer

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Speaker 3: is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the clip. I keep saying.

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Speaker 3: I'm falling in love with him as a potential head

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Speaker 3: coach or as a as the head coach of the

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Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys. Really fun to watch and root for. But

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Speaker 3: my favorite segment or scene of last night was they

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Speaker 3: did a montage of all the different cities New York, Washington, Philadelphia,

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Speaker 3: Dallas with a remixed version of Ain't No Love in

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Speaker 3: the Heart of the City behind it, and they kept

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Speaker 3: using clips from all the different sports talk radio shows

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Speaker 3: in each of those cities, like criticizing or discussing or whatever,

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Speaker 3: all the different issues because every single team lost that week,

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Speaker 3: and they all lost on the road. It was an

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Speaker 3: awesome piece of art that obviously struck a chord with

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Speaker 3: me because of what I do.

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Speaker 2: The clip Ice saw, and we talked about this before,

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Speaker 2: was essentially something that we've talked about on the show

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Speaker 2: as it relates to Jamar Chase or even stuff I

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Speaker 2: did back when I was playing of a coach on

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Speaker 2: the sideline, having an understanding that hey, you've got to

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Speaker 2: get certain guys touches on a certain drive. And I

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Speaker 2: know I saw that with Schottenheimer last night as it

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Speaker 2: relates to Cede Lamb and George Pickens. I like that,

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Speaker 2: Hey got to have the understanding, our guys need touches.

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Speaker 2: Let's make sure they get those touches, and they did.

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Speaker 2: Imagine that. Let's take a break. Zach Taylor his weekly

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Speaker 2: Wednesday press conference that comes next on this the Home

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