1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American? You got for 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: them till seven hundred ww Here we go in this 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Monday morning, a little bit better, a little wind at 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: our back because the Reds take two of three in Boston. 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: How do you like that? 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: I say? 7 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: In Boston against Boston is what I meant to say. 8 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: Home game that continues to night against the Pirates. Reds 9 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: keep on rolling. They're looking pretty good, looking pretty good. 10 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: Also happening in Cincinnati. Of course, you may remember this 11 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: histor always repeats itself. We may have Mahogany's two point 12 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: zero at our hands right now. There is, in this 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: time of very very delicate budgets, the city trying to 14 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: save some money. The city is underwater somewhat too, and 15 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: they're asking for budget cuts. At the same time, the 16 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati is handing out money to people who 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: in I guess private's a private sector. You go to 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: get a loan and you can't back up your claims 19 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: and you don't have any collateral. You got problems. But 20 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati, it's your money. We're just going 21 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: to hand it out. On this It's a very interesting story. 22 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: Is council Member Mark Jeffers Mark welcome. How are you. 23 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: I'm doing well. 24 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: Thanks, I'm doing before we began, of course, we had 25 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: and I have a chance to talk to you. But 26 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: what happened Thursday at the banks relative to the outbreak 27 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: of crime there too, and some said it's a riot, 28 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: but it was a bunch of individuals out there just 29 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: wreaking havoc, shutting things down. They closed the banks, early crime, 30 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: crime and more crime. I know the Teresa Thiji report 31 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: is due out any minute now, and there was a 32 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: praamp to strike by her attorneys to say, well, it's 33 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: gonna be a bunch of bs and it's gonna be 34 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: a lot of noise. But there's nothing there, any word 35 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: on when that report's coming out. 36 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: By the way, I don't know on the report. Got 37 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: what I would say about Thursday. I mean, honestly, it 38 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: was disgraceful. I was down for the parade as usual, 39 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 3: an amazing day. 40 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: Parade was great, everyone was good. 41 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: Opening day. The game itself wasn't too great, but we 42 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 3: did recover. 43 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: It's all right. 44 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 3: But look, I mean, you know, I use the word hooligan. 45 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: Some people attack me online, but you know, I mean, 46 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: it's so different than the hooligans to disrupt soccer matches 47 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: in Europe. 48 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: I mean people who disrupt the perfectly. 49 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: Peaceful day, beautiful day, and you know, I mean, we 50 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: can't have this in our city. So you know, we 51 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 3: got to I'm grateful that. You know, it looks like 52 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: some of the folks are going to have you know, 53 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 3: higher bond, which I think is appropriate. So you know, 54 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 3: we need to send a message. Is the same reason 55 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: why next week will be taking up my motion to 56 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 3: impound cars for up to six months on street takeovers. 57 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: We have to send a message to. 58 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 3: People that you know, this is not behavior that is 59 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: acceptable in our city. 60 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get you back onto the street 61 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,839 Speaker 1: takeovers thing because Northern Kentucky is doing something there where 62 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: they seize your car and crush it. I don't know 63 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: if you want to go that far constitutionally speaking, but 64 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: we'll circle back on it. But it's part of pressure 65 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: for a bigger issue. I guess the biggest is show 66 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,839 Speaker 1: I have is people are clapping back at you because 67 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: use or hooligans. That's a pretty kind term considering what 68 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: they were doing. 69 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it. 70 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: I mean anyone who's disrupted of like that. It is 71 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 3: a bunch of hooligans and look, I mean, you know 72 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: there were three parts of it, right. There were the 73 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 3: kids at Washington Park making each other, there were people 74 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: on Byne Street. You can't block an entire street, it's 75 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 3: just inappropriate. 76 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: And then down to the bank it's the same thing. 77 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: So part of it got does come back to you know, 78 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 3: we need to make sure that people in their neighborhoods, 79 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 3: you know, I mean that part of the attraction is 80 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 3: people want to come downtown because it's fun and. 81 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 2: They want to hang out over the right things to do. 82 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 3: We need to make sure that people in their neighborhoods 83 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 3: have things to do. You know, this Friday for example, 84 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 3: word that doing a groundbreaking first gate park. All right, 85 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 3: make sure kids and people have things to do in 86 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: their neighborhood rec centers, libraries, other activities. So, you know, 87 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: and especially in opening day. I think next year we 88 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 3: got to look at that. It's like, hey, what kind 89 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: of events attraction can we make for kids and other 90 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: folks you know, to hang out in their neighborhood enjoy 91 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: the day rather than you know, everybody gathering down. Yeah. 92 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a problem too that looks like it's 93 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: going to get worse. I mean, that was a sample 94 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: of warm weather. We're gonna have a stretch of that 95 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: before you know. It's starting well this week as a 96 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: matter of fact, in the next and you just wonder 97 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: if all Hull's going to break loose to some degree 98 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: because of all this pent up. I want to get outside, 99 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: But it also brings out some hooligans, as you said, 100 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: and other people. I'm going to bring that up because 101 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: right now as we speak, I mentioned the Teresa Thigi controversy, 102 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: and that report is coming out. Hitter in Chief Henny 103 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: is going to testify before Budget and Finance because you're 104 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: working on that right now, and across the board, departments 105 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: are told to cut five point one percent. So a 106 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: five point one percent budget reduction for police equals about 107 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: eleven million dollars. And the only way to cut that, 108 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: because ninety percent of the budget is personnel, the only 109 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: way of cutting the five point one percent is to 110 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: layoff cops. Can we really afford to lay police officers? 111 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: Though from this environment, Yeah, that ain't happening. 112 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 3: I mean I think look, I mean the city manager rightfully, 113 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 3: at every department, if you had to cut five point 114 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 3: one percent, what would that look out like which Franks, 115 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 3: I think is a good exercise to do. I mean 116 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: I did it all the time at PNG. Most private 117 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: companies do it. Hey, what would what would happen if 118 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 3: you had to cut five percent? And then you go 119 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: through the exercise and maybe there are efficiencies you can do. 120 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: You can automate different things, you can be a little 121 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 3: more efficient. 122 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: Good exercise to do. Are we going to cut police officer? Should? 123 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: We know? We were going to do the opposite? I 124 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 3: have my budget priorities, and I think my colleagues would agree. 125 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 3: We have to continue to invest in new recruit classes. Uh, 126 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 3: you know, that's that has increased the size of the force. 127 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: We need to continue to invest in recruit classes. So 128 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: that's just not going to happen. I think it's a 129 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: good exercise for every department to go through the you know, 130 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 3: where are their efficiencies? 131 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 2: Uh? 132 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 3: You know, and then you know, we need to push 133 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 3: ourselves on, hey how can we operate more efficiency? I 134 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 3: know the police, you know are doing that even with 135 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: how they leverage groans for example. Uh, you know, there 136 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: are still a lot of ways that they can be 137 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: more efficient. You know, going I think through technology, you know, automating, 138 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 3: you know some of the reporting, which I think they 139 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 3: would love to do. Sure, you know, so I think 140 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 3: it's a good exercise to go through. But no, we're 141 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 3: not going to and nor should we see we should 142 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: be doing the opposite, and we will be doing the opposite. 143 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 3: Is adding more officers to the force. 144 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So here's where this comes in. There's a 145 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, as members of councils said, hey, you know 146 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: there's a lack of sit down restaurants in the West End. 147 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: We need to sit down runt. 148 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: So residents there have been trying to renovate a space 149 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: on Lynd Street to fill that need. You guys a 150 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: council approved four hundred and fifty five thousand over the 151 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: last three years to fund that. But the problem is 152 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: this the property owner. So this is a lease. They 153 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: terminated the West End Sports Bar and Grills year long 154 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: lease at the property. They said they haven't paid any rent. 155 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: They're back like thirty seven thousand dollars. The landlord changed 156 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: the locks. The owner, Nick Johnson, I believe it's a 157 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: man's name, said you can only go in there to 158 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: retrieve his personal property. And and so what happened was 159 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: we had this money, we had four hundred and fifty 160 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. It's been invested by the city, but 161 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: didn't check to see that he was locked out of 162 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: his place and he was behind, and other members of 163 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: council stuff and said, well, this is for reparations for 164 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: I seventy five ripping apart the neighbor and I'm not 165 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: quite sure you picked one individual. This is looking like 166 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: Mahogani's all over again in that in twenty twelve the 167 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: city voted on council. I know you were around that, 168 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: but six hundred and eighty four thousand dollars for Mahoganies 169 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: at the banks and three hundred thousand loans for furnitures, fixtures, equipment, 170 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: all that stuff, nearly a million dollars in financing for 171 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: Liz Rogers. And from day one, it turns out Liz 172 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: Rogers had multiple leans against her. She fell behind on 173 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: her loan payments rather quickly, and the city got I 174 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: think didn't even get the one hundred thousand dollars back 175 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: of the near million, because it was a very bad 176 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: deal from the get go, and they just kept throwing money. 177 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: Council then and the city manager, Harry Black, just kept 178 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: throwing money, like it was a bottomless pit out of 179 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: some sort of guilt trip to say we have to 180 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: lift this particular African American woman up and essentially give 181 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: her money in order to open this business. Well, that's 182 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: all well and good, but again, you've got to have a 183 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: tracker of success before you scale that up into something 184 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: as prominent as one of the early buildings on the banks. 185 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: How is this any different than what we're talking about 186 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: today with this place on Lend Street. 187 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I'd take a couple of thanks Scott. First. 188 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a disaster there. 189 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: There has been about sixty thousand that has been spent 190 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 3: no more, and the question is how can we claw 191 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: that back? When this came up, I offered an amendment 192 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: emotion to set in a mechanism to claw back any 193 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: of this money and make sure that you know, hey, 194 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: we can take back control of you know, whatever that 195 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: investment is that didn't pass. 196 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: It wasn't even seconded, you know, So. 197 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: What we have to figure out how do we get 198 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 3: that six thousand. I think the bigger question is, you know, 199 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 3: the status quo in the West End, any of working right, 200 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 3: there's poverty, lack of opportunity, lack of a safe place 201 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: for people to gather. Just like we were talking about 202 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: what we want to create, what I'm trying to do 203 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 3: on like youth football fields. A dire part in uh, 204 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 3: in the in the West End is to create places 205 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 3: for kids to go play, places for people to gather, 206 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 3: and we do need places for families together. The question 207 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: is how can we accomplish that, you know, and you know, 208 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 3: I've hacked conversations with several private sector companies including you know, 209 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 3: you know folks who invested have invested in the West End. 210 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 3: How can they help out to create a place, uh, 211 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: you know, for people to sit down and families to 212 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: sit down and gather. So I think the objective is right. 213 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: I think clearly you know, the execution and the way 214 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: that it went went about and the city has to 215 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 3: figure out how we get back up sixty six. 216 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: Thousand dollars and uh and not let the history repeat itself. 217 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: Well, what are you talk about like a playground or 218 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: something a park? What when you said just a place 219 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: for families to sit down and gather? Are you talking 220 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: commercial what? 221 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: What? So there's there are several parts. 222 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 3: So if you think of the West End, there's a library, 223 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 3: now there's a rec center. There are plans for a 224 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 3: romac like an art art center, you know, community center, 225 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 3: which is great. Uh separately, yeah, I mean there there 226 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: should be, And the question is how can you get 227 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 3: there a place for people to sit down and have 228 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: a burger and you know, have to have a coach 229 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 3: if you will. How you get there is the question. 230 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: You know clearly, Uh you know this was not and 231 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 3: is not the right plan. 232 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 2: Uh. 233 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: You know, how can you incent private sector folks to 234 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 3: help out those who've invested in the West End. I 235 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: mean there's a couple of blocks from Sam Adams a 236 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: few blocks and City Cincinnati. Uh, you know, so how 237 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: can you leverage that to create a state where people 238 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: can walk over and sit down and have a burger. 239 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: And relax with their family. 240 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: And as a result, you know, families are hanging out 241 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: in their neighborhood and they're not going downtown, and kids 242 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 3: are not going downtown. They're hanging out. And whether it's 243 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 3: a skate park, a football field, a community center, some 244 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: place where there's also state where they can also get 245 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: mentored and they can have some opportunity to get out 246 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 3: of the current situation. 247 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 2: Because the current situation in the West End. It ain't working. 248 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: But if you look at it though, you say, okay, 249 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: we need a place to gather. If you go from 250 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 1: Ezu Charles all the way up to Liberty which is 251 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: several city blocks, and then between Land and where where 252 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: Tiquol Stadium is, you have Laurel Playground, you got the 253 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: Laurel Rec creer. You've got plenty of green space there. 254 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: Don't we already have that? 255 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 2: Oh green space? 256 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I do think I am working, as 257 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 3: you know on a dedicated youth football field and dire 258 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 3: park which is in the West End. 259 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: So you do have some green spaces. 260 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: You do have a rec center and you will we 261 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 3: will soon have you know, like an art center for 262 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 3: kids to come and sit down. You are and you know, 263 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: I mean stay out of you know, have some productive 264 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: use but having to play some families together and you know, 265 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 3: have a burger great. 266 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 2: How we get there is the question. 267 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 3: You know, and how can we have private sector folks 268 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 3: and the right investor you know, stepped in and you 269 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: know and help take that. 270 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: That's possible. That's the question going forward. 271 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: He is accountsmember Mark Jeffreys on The Sconsland Show seven 272 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: hundred Wow, there's a sports bar of the West End 273 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: that's never gonna get off the ground. City threw some 274 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: money at it. It's like Mahogani's all over again, on 275 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: a smaller scale, but still, I think if you're a taxpayer, 276 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: you hear this and go, okay, let me let me 277 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: get this straight. And here's what people are here. They're going, 278 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: we've got this crime going on right now. You're going 279 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: to have budget meetings and you're told the departments prepare, 280 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: what would it look like if you cut five point 281 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: one percent, give yourself a five percent haircut across the top. 282 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: Chief Adam Henny is going to present to you. 283 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: Guys. 284 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: You said it's not going to happen. We just this 285 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: is part of the process here as we ask departments 286 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: to do that. It doesn't really mean we're going to 287 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: But people hear that and go, wow, they're going to 288 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: lose eleven million dollars at a time where violence is 289 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: on the way up, crime is on the way up, 290 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: and not all over the place, but in many areas, 291 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: especially the high profile ones. A top of that, we 292 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: just ate eight million dollars riverbend two point zero, and 293 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: of course we know the symphony has tons of cash, 294 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: but we're going to give them money anyway. In the meantime, 295 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: we're going to give business to someone who is in default, 296 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: already already been locked out. We're giving him money for 297 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: a place that's shuttered because he didn't pay his rent. 298 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: We didn't bother the check that before we wrote the check. 299 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: How do you think that's playing with your average voter 300 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: or your average citizen in Cincinnati, Mark, Yeah. 301 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 3: I mean, look, first of all, the reason that there's 302 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: a reason why I voted against the eight million for 303 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 3: the Music Center is because I don't think that we 304 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 3: should be investing and things like that. And eight million 305 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 3: is a lot when you have a budget deficit of 306 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 3: thirty million. And I think rightfully to the other reason 307 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: why I'm also non in favor of an increase in 308 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: the earning sects. We have to live within our meetings, 309 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 3: and I've been the one outspoken voice on that, and 310 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, look, I think we need to 311 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: make sure that we are smart about our investments. I 312 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: do think the objective is right in the West End, 313 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 3: which is, how can we make sure that folks do 314 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: have safe spaces to go when you have two kids 315 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: who are shot at playgrounds. You know, if I'm a 316 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 3: pair in the West End, I'm like, no, I don't 317 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 3: really want my kid to hang out on a playground, 318 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: Which is why we're pushing four things like cameras, things 319 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 3: like lights, lighting, and playgrounds, you know, And so the 320 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: objective of yees having a place for people together. I 321 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: think how we get there is the question. And how 322 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: can we have private sector come in and help out 323 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 3: to to create a place for people to have a 324 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 3: burger and a beer and a coke, you know, with 325 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 3: their family on a you know, on an evening. 326 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: All right, all well and good because I like nice 327 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: slices to go. But you know, I look at what's 328 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: happening in Cincinnati. We have shootings at playgrounds for crying 329 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: out a lot. I mentioned Laurel Playground and the rec 330 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: center their queens gates fairly close to they at a 331 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: rec center. A lot of green space in that area 332 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: in the West End. And yet okay, we'll put place 333 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: where see people can sit down, have a burger to coke. 334 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: All right, I'm down, But what makes us think that 335 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: the violence isn't just gonna end up there? I mean, 336 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: we had a shitting at we had a shooting on 337 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: Fountain Square at City Bird people firing through the glass 338 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: at each other right there on Fountain Square. They're gonna 339 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: do that on Fountain Square, and they're gonna do that 340 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: in the West End. 341 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 342 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 3: Well, look, I mean this is a bigger problem if 343 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 3: you well know God right, I mean, when somebody shoots 344 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: someone and a police officer of the incident you mentioned 345 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: in Fountain Square was literally twenty feet away. We need officers. 346 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 3: We need more officers than we will recruit more, but 347 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: we can't. And police will be the first person say 348 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: that police our way out of it, because when somebody 349 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: shoots somebody twenty feet away, it's a tigger care. So 350 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 3: we have to create and it starts with kids. But 351 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: to create opportunities, job opportunities, you know, making sure that 352 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 3: folks are getting, you know, into the trades. You know, 353 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 3: we're building things like the Branston Bridge Western Hith Viaduct, 354 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 3: and we get people trained as iron workers and laborers 355 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: and plumbers. And that is the only way you know, 356 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 3: to give people opportunity and uh, you know, and get 357 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 3: out of the poverty that we see in the West 358 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 3: End through education and job opportunities and showing kids that 359 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 3: you know, people adults can be responsible. You know, I 360 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 3: want kids in the West End seeing people, you know, 361 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 3: uh vote and the bus stop with a bus driver 362 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: or the security guard and they're resusponsible. They're getting on 363 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 3: the bus and they're coming home in the afternoon and 364 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 3: they're taking care of the family. That's the kind of 365 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: that's the only way out. We're not going to be 366 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 3: able to police our way out of it, you know. Uh. 367 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: And but we also do need police, We need both, yes, 368 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 3: and so that's the only folution to go forward. 369 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the earnings tack and earning stacks and 370 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: this is part of it. And saying hey, we cut 371 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: five percent, we do the earnings tax. But again, giving 372 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: money to riverbend money to people already in default. 373 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: Uh. 374 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: That that really if you that's really going to hurt 375 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: that vote? Is that for nerd? I'm not debating whether 376 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: or not in New to raise the earnings tax, but boy, 377 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: that's gonna be a hard hell to climb for you 378 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: guys based on this. 379 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's the reason why. 380 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 3: I mean I said this before the last campaign, and 381 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 3: I haven't changed my position. You know, you eat your 382 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,239 Speaker 3: carrots before you eat your dessert. There are plenty of 383 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 3: efficiencies and things, and I am laying them out in 384 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 3: my budget parity motion. I've got a lot of efficiencies 385 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 3: and opportunities. You start there before you. 386 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: Ask, you know. I mean it's the same thing with kids. 387 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 3: You know, you don't give them a stake increase in 388 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: their allowance if they're not doing their tour correct. 389 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: So you got That's why I want the city Cincinnati 390 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: be my parents. You seem kind of like generous about that, 391 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: kind of lax about that, if you will. 392 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 2: I'm not laxibotic, my friend. 393 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking about I'm talking about it in general. It's 394 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: like it's like, I know, you guys are like the 395 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: cool parents. You're buying my weed for me. I know 396 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: you're fighting against this mark. That's why you on the show. 397 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: And I appreciate that because five percent is not going 398 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: to happen with the police department. But also just be 399 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: more responsible and running it like a business in some 400 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: regards instead of just handing money out Willy Nilly probably 401 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: would go a long way. I know that you're in 402 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: the heat of budget meetings right now. Chief Heny's going 403 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: to testify and give his proposal and I'll take your 404 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: word for it that the city will now touch a 405 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: dime of police money because we really can't afford it, 406 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: and I think they'd be the dumbest thing to do. 407 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: And I'm sure there's a couple of members of council 408 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: that will vote for it. But again, it sounds like 409 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: a winner to me. Mark Jefferies, appreciate the time as always, Buddy, 410 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: appreciate you. 411 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 2: Thank ye. 412 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: You got money for River Bend. You're wanting eleven million 413 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: dollar haircut for the police. Crime and violent crime at 414 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: that is starting to pick up quite a bit from 415 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: the cold summer, because the cold winter months before we're 416 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: heading the summer here. And on top of that, you're going, well, 417 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: maybe an earnings tax for the people that work still 418 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,239 Speaker 1: work downtown. Okay, great, we got money. We need more 419 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: money coming in because they're thirty million dollars upside down. 420 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: But meanwhile, we're gonna hand out money to Riverbend. We're 421 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: gonna hand out money to a bar who has absolutely 422 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't pass like the first test if you went to 423 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 1: a bank and asked for that com money, you know, 424 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: I get the city is there to hand some cash, 425 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: how to help people out by I get it, but 426 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: you have to show that you'll be a good steward 427 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: of that money, and clearly we forget that lesson when 428 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: it's public dollars. Scott's Loan Show, seven hundred w Alwa