1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, the number one thing that's going to reignite to 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Belichick controversy. I'm talking years down the road when Tom 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Win is eligible and he gets in on the. 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: First ballot, because he shouldn't be in at all. 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: If you look at his record, Belichick has the best 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: record ever, although I still think Chuck Nole was a 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: far superior coach. Then again, Chuck Nole didn't have to 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: deal with free agency. Then again, Bill Belichick had Tom Brady. 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: Then again, Chuck Noll had Terry Bradshaw. 10 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: Which we always underrate how good he was. 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, Tom was going to get in first ballot, 12 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: and he shouldn't get in at all, which is why 13 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: Halls of Fame suck. I want your reaction to my 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: idea post at the beginning of the show that each 15 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame should have a reset never line the voters. 16 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: Whoever's at the top of the food chain, whether it's 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: the board at Baseball or Jim Porter who runs the 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: football Hall, whoever just says, look, this is ridiculous. 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: Belichick's in, so. 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: Is Eli Manning, and Baseball says this is just ridiculous. 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: All the steroid guys are in, and Pete Rose and 22 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: shoeless Joe Jackson, because the goal of the hall of fame, 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:21,639 Speaker 1: every hall of fame, is to recognize greatness, not provoke controversy. 24 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: And all every hall of fame has done for the 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: past how many years, is provoke controversy. It's nothing to 26 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: celebrate anymore, it's something to just get mad about. So 27 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: right some wrongs, even if the sanctified minds of the voters, 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: even if righting those wrongs will displease their moral compass 29 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: and get it from being a controversy to being something 30 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: that is again, like I said, celebrated, because that's what 31 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: halls of fame were invented for, That's what halls of 32 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: fame are designed to do. And this not only reflects 33 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: on the flawed process of these halls of fame, but 34 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: us as a people, because we absolutely suck. We are 35 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: at low tide. We certainly smell like low tide. All 36 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: we want to do is be mad and be rights 37 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: and the former, with almost all of you, never leads 38 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: to the latter, not often enough anyway. So down now 39 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: eight three, three, four one two WSDX. We got calls. 40 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: On the fifteen's next segment, we got Josh Joey at 41 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: the bottom of the hour, UH a guy from the 42 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: Kansas City Star wrote a column about why he did 43 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: not vote for Belichick. To my knowledge, he's the first 44 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: guy who's come out and said he did not vote 45 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: for Belichick. He said, instead he voted for Ken Anderson, 46 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: the old Cincinnati quarterback, Roger Craig, the old San Francisco 47 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: running back, and Elsie Greenwood of this parish, the former 48 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: four time Super Bowl winning Steelers defensive end who once 49 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: had four sacks in the single Super Bowl if memory serves, 50 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: that's the first time the Steelers beat the Cowboys. 51 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: He sacked Roger Staubach four times. 52 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: And the guy who wrote this column talked about how 53 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: it's not logical that the coaches and builders like Belichick 54 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: and Robert Kraft, they're lumped in with the senior candidates 55 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: like Anderson, Craig and Greenwood. 56 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: And yeah, he's right, that does make no sense. 57 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: But it also makes no sense for this guy to 58 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: vote for those three ahead of Bill Belichick. 59 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: But this voter, he. 60 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: Said, it had nothing to do with spygate and or 61 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: the flight gate, nothing to do with the concept of 62 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: Belichick cheating. And that's a shame because keeping him out 63 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: for cheating would have made more sense than voting for 64 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: three old dudes, one of them dead. I would love 65 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: to see LS Green would get in the Pro Football 66 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, but there's no hurry. He's been dead 67 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: for a while. It's just a mess. It's just a mess. 68 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: And like I said, it shouldn't come to that choice. 69 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: The senior players in with the builders and coaches, and 70 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: it shouldn't come down to the voters having the final word. 71 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 2: Do a reset on these Halls of Fame. 72 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what what I would like to see 73 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: with the Hall of Fame, all of them. As much 74 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: as anything, I'd like to see people get yanked out. 75 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: There are a bunch of people in these halls that 76 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: don't belong there, that just compiled numbers that The worst 77 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: thing that happened with Halls of Fame is there became 78 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: a prerequisite where like everybody who hit five hundred more 79 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: homers got in the baseball Hall and anybody who had 80 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: five hundred and more goals got in hockey Hall. Okay, 81 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: but there came a point where some of these guys 82 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: playing twenty years because the leagues are overexpanded, the money's 83 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: so good. Look at I think Pat for Beek, who's 84 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: not in the Hall. I think he's the highest scoring 85 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: most goals that didn't make the Hockey Hall of Fame. 86 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: He played twenty five years and yea, he scored five 87 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: hundred goals, But that's an average of only twenty goals 88 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: per season. 89 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: That is not Hall of Fame level production. He's a 90 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 2: real good player. 91 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: He would be in my Hall of very good, but 92 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: doesn't belong in the Hockey Hall of Fame. But there 93 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: came a point where if you did this, she got 94 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: in such and such a number, and that's not right. 95 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: There should be more to it than that. There should 96 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: be the fame factor, the larger than life factor. Yeah, 97 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: the numbers matter a lot. If they matter, how come 98 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: Barry Bonds isn't in. Barry Bond's not being in the 99 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: baseball Hall of Fame is a bigger crime than Bill 100 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: Belichick not being in the football Hall of Fame, especially 101 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: given the Belichick's eventually gonna get in. Barry Bonds is 102 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: the greatest offensive force in baseball history. 103 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: And you might say he cheated. He never got caught cheating. 104 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: Belichick did, so Barry not being in that's even worse 105 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: than Belichick not being And if I'm the pro football 106 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: like guy I said, I would say, listen, our voting 107 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: process is flawed. Belichick's in right now, and I don't 108 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: think anybody would have a major problem with that. I 109 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: don't think any of the voters would have a major 110 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: problem with that. A three three four one two w 111 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: xdx A three three four one two w xdx. I 112 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: do love the Belichick thing. 113 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: I do. I love the. 114 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: Fact that he's an ass and while they should be in, 115 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: this is about the comeuppancees for the cheating and for 116 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: being an ass and probably for sleeping with a girl 117 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: who could be his granddaughter. But let the Hall's correct mistakes. 118 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: Did you see Eli Manning didn't get in. That's his 119 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: seconder of eligibility. Wow, that's the surprising. Is Belichick missing 120 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: out now? He's the lesser of the Mannings. But he 121 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: did win two super Bowls. It's very odd. I always 122 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: laugh at the fact, and it's not diminishing what he did. 123 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: But the only two years Eli Manning won a playoff 124 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: game at all, he won super Bowls. But he belongs 125 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: in two super Bowls. Manning name New York City, Like 126 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: I said, larger than life. That counts, That counts. The 127 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: fame part of Hall of Fame has to count. But 128 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: I want to take the final word, the absolute final word, 129 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: away from the voters, because you got old men in 130 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: baseball inflicting their moral code in different generation morera's. I mean, 131 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: how come, say Ron Cook, who had a Baseball Hall 132 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: of Fame vote, why should his moral compass override Barry 133 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: Bond's stats? 134 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: And it did. 135 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: Cookie told me on many occasions, I will never vote 136 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: for Barry Bonds, and that's because he just didn't like him, 137 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: having dealt with them. But the steroid use alleged thereof 138 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: but definitely done, that gave Cook an excuse. I mean, 139 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: sure to just be players and coaches who vote. 140 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: No media. 141 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: Ken Stablers' wife said that on Twitter. She said her 142 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: husband would have made it years ago it was just 143 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: players and coaches. But hey, you talk about agendas. If 144 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: it was just players and coaches, the entire Hall of Fame, 145 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: every Hall of. 146 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: Fame, would be Buddy system. 147 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: Okay, get the calls in super secret number four one 148 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: two three, three three wxdx calls on the fifteens, just 149 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: around the corner one oh five to nine. Somebody tweeted, 150 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: if Belichick's not in, they should take OJ Simpson out 151 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: of the Football Hall of Fame. 152 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 2: Okay, uh, that's just not anything remotely related. How do 153 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: you take O. J. Simpson out? 154 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: Well, because he killed a couple of people, never convicted, 155 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: I hasten to add. And he's one of the all 156 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: time best running backs. You're telling the story of the game. 157 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: You can't tell the story of the game without OJ Simpson. 158 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: You can't tell the story of the game without Bill Belichick. 159 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: You can't tell the story of the game about Barry Bonds. 160 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: You can't tell the story of the game without Pete Rose. 161 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: It's impossible to do. And Baseball, football, all the sports 162 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: will merchandise people like that. 163 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: Well, not OJ, but you get the idea. 164 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: And they will exploit people like that, like they exploited 165 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: all the steroid guys when they saved baseball back in 166 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: the late nineties. I called him out, and to call 167 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: him I read for the Postcazette. Then I said, you know, 168 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: those guys are all juiced to the gills on steroids, right, 169 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: But nobody wanted to hear that, So to embrace it 170 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: rather ignore it, then for the greater good. And then 171 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: punish it later is the height of hypocrisy. And the 172 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: Belichick thing, I mean, if Bonds shouldn't be in, Belichick 173 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: shouldn't be in because cheating is cheating. But they should 174 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: both be in. You know, I'm getting more and more 175 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: amused by people just talking and talking to talking about 176 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: the Steelers all off season. 177 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 2: I'm not going to do it if you don't want 178 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: to listen to what. 179 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: Like I always say about my show, there's never been 180 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: a better time than not listen. But those of you 181 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: who think that Will Howard might start for this team, 182 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: and I'd like to see it, because then they'd go 183 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: three and fourteen and get arch. But those of you 184 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 1: who think Will Howard's gonna start because McCarthy said he's 185 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: excited about Will Howard. If McCarthy was legitimately excited about 186 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: Will Howard, then why is he putting the full court 187 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: press on by all accounts to get a forty three 188 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: year old to come back, to get Aaron Rodgers to 189 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: come back. That tells me that he's not too excited 190 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: about Will Howard. That is just whip service. We go 191 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: now to our good friend, the Hebrew hammer hammer Yuck shamash. 192 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 3: Hey yuck, shamash Mark. 193 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 2: Now I saw some of the other Hall of Fame finalists. 194 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 3: It's Frank Gore. 195 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: The running back. 196 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: Okay, well, that embodies your point. 197 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: I mean, he had a great career and he's stacked 198 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: up numbers, but nobody hears Frank Orr and nothing jumps 199 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: off the page. 200 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: Nobody remembers one thing Frank Gore did. They can go 201 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: online to that reference page and sy his numbers. It's 202 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: like I said about the baseball players that made the 203 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, Andrew Jones and Carlos Beltron. Nobody remembers 204 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: anything those guys did. Would they remember most about Baltrin? 205 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: In fact, is his role in the Houston Astro sign 206 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: stealing scandal. 207 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean everybody knows that Frank Gore's. 208 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 3: Best contribution was that his brother al and event at 209 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: the internet. I mean that's where it ends. 210 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: That's your cue. Excellent whammy. Let's go to Matt. Matt, 211 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: you're on with double m Good day, Double, I said, 212 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: good day. 213 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 3: So something that I heard on about the Hall of 214 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 3: Fame voting was and another reason to kind of separate 215 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: the legacy players from the coaches and the gms, and 216 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 3: that supposedly this was like the last year that Roger 217 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 3: Craig or Elsey Greenwood could get voted in, and so 218 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 3: that was why that other guy chose not to go 219 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 3: for Belichick. 220 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: That if Roger Craigan, whoever, whoever, those guys are, Elsie 221 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: Greenwoodken Anderson, I don't know who did and didn't have 222 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: it coming down to their last year to make it. 223 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: I don't care if those guys deserve to be and 224 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: they would have been in a long time ago. Well, okay, 225 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: I know everybody in Pittsburgh wants every single player from 226 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: the Steelers of the seventies to make the Hall of Fame, 227 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: and I'd have no problem with with l C not 228 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: making it. But there comes a point where if you 229 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: didn't make it, you just shouldn't get to have a 230 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: chance to make it anymore. Because, yeah, it gets in 231 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: the way of stuff like voting in Belichick on. 232 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: The first ballot. 233 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: But but Belichick shouldn't be lumped in with that group 234 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: with the senior players. 235 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 3: I agree. Say, have my birthday, you would to wish 236 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: me happy birthday? 237 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: No, let's go to John and South Hills. John, you're 238 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: on with double M. 239 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 3: What what mine? 240 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: Hey? 241 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 3: What do you think if they would let the fans 242 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 3: get some kind of weighted vote for the Hall of Fame. 243 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 1: No, don't know nothing, man, then it's even more of 244 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: a popularity contest than it is right now with those 245 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: who currently votes. 246 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Hi, just wanted in your opinion. 247 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: Yep, thank you. No fans, the less fans decide the better. 248 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: Just pay your money, shut up and watch. Okay, up next. 249 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: That's right, Frank, I'm gonna talk to Josh Showey with 250 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: the Athletic. Oh. By the way, I have been watching 251 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: Heated Rivalry. I watch it while I'm on the treadmill. 252 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: That's how I watch my TV. Mostly except the night 253 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: when I'm lying down or making notes for the show. 254 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: I watch reruns of that seventy show like every night. 255 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: I bet I've seen every episode of that seventy show 256 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: nine or ten times, no kidding, and I enjoyed every time. 257 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: But Heated Rivalry, the captain of the New York team 258 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: came out right after they won the Stanley Cup. He 259 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: saw his boyfriend in the stands, brought him on the 260 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: ice and kissed him after the cup presentation. That's kind 261 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: of jumping the shark material, because no nobody would make 262 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: finally winning the Stanley Cup. It was kind of like 263 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: a Messier type, waited forever to do it thing with 264 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: New York and this guy. That guy wouldn't make the 265 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: moment about himself and his sexuality and make that the 266 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: headline and the lead on SportsCenter in that occasion. He 267 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: would just win the Stanley Cup. That would be enough 268 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: for one night. 269 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: I don't know. 270 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong because I've never been in that position, 271 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: but that's what I think. But still a great show. 272 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: Read that Rossi article at the Athletic Up. Next, Josh 273 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: showe you want to five Penguin's back home tonight after 274 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: a four win trip West, joining me now to talk 275 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: about it. He covers the team for the Athletic Great 276 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: to talk to Josh Shoey. Josh rust is suspended. We 277 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: haven't spoken since he committed that high hit on Besser 278 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: in Vancouver. I thought it was a bad hit. I 279 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,359 Speaker 1: didn't think it was worth a three game suspension. 280 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: What say you? Yeah? 281 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 3: I thought the suspension was really excessive, especially when you 282 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: consider hits around the league of a very similar nature 283 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: that had gone unpunished all season, and when you consider 284 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: Brian Russ has been in the NHL for over a 285 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 3: decade and has never even been fined for a hit, 286 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 3: let alone suspended. I didn't mind him getting a game 287 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 3: or two, but the lack of consistency from the Department 288 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: of Player Safety is embarrassing. That has been for as 289 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: long as it has existed. And my biggest problem to 290 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: Mark and I listen to hit him in the head, 291 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 3: so I get it, but he literally did it because 292 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: there was one second left in a one goal hockey game, 293 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 3: like he was clearly in desperation mode trying to preserve 294 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 3: a lead, I think more than he was trying to 295 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: throw a headshot on somebody. So I was really surprised 296 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 3: that he got that much. 297 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: What's your take on the line readjustments with Russ, Scott 298 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: McGroarty on the Kindle line and Braso moving up to 299 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: the sid. 300 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 3: Line, it doesn't bother me. I think the important things 301 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: to remember here are that right now, the Malkin line 302 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 3: is their best line, and you're keeping that line intact 303 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 3: because that line with Chinnikov and Novak has been outstanding. 304 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 3: You don't want to mess with that line. That the 305 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: chemistry is real, and obviously the fourth line has been outstanding. 306 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: I understand why he made the other changes. McGroarty has 307 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 3: played pretty well with Kendall and a couple of small bursts. 308 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 3: There's some familiarity there. The tricky thing is the top line. Obviously, 309 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: Sid stays with Raquel. He hasn't really played much with Braso. 310 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: We'll see how that works. But I can't say that 311 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: I have a problem with the decisions that he made there. 312 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm anxious to see Chinnakoff on the power play. I'm 313 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: actually frustrated to know that, no matter how well he does, 314 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: Russ will go back there, just like Kendall got taken 315 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: off ultimately to go with the veterany type stuff. But 316 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: Chinnikoff obviously can shoot. Within the context of a power play, 317 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: he'll get even more chances to shoots. 318 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: Tell you what, the way this guy shoots the puck 319 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 3: is pretty rare. I was actually talking with Gino Malkin 320 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 3: after the game at Edmonton, and I asked Gino he 321 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 3: thought about the lay Shinacrof shoots the pucket. Since this 322 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 3: is a family radio show, I cannot use the language 323 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 3: that Gino used, but suffice to say, Gino is really 324 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 3: impressed with this guy. Every time he shoots the puck, 325 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 3: you just think it's going in his release, in the 326 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 3: velocity that it creates. So it's a little bit different. 327 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 3: And yeah, I would think at some point you'd like 328 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 3: to see him on the powerplay, especially playing with somebody 329 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 3: who has the ability of a Sidney Crosby to set 330 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 3: him up. And I'd love to see him on sidline 331 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 3: at some point. Just had a curiosity. Mark. 332 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: The best thing to me about the Penguins right now, 333 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: and maybe this will be affected with Rustott is all 334 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: four lines have coalesced, all four lines lately, and on 335 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: that trip out west especially, the whole was greater than 336 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: the sum of the parts. That's so rare even with 337 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: one or two lines on a team, let alone all four. 338 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 3: Well, it's rare, and it's the sign of a good 339 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 3: hockey team, quite honestly. And I like the fact that, yeah, 340 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 3: the Penguins went four to zero on that trip, you 341 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: sit out four points in four games. He played fine, 342 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 3: but he's not having to carry them right now. It 343 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 3: literally is somebody different every single day, and on a 344 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 3: day in Vancouver when quite frankly, they did not play well, 345 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 3: you know, all of a sudden, Ben Kendall shows up 346 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 3: and scores two goals after not scoring a goal in 347 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 3: nineteen games. That's what good teams do. They're finding different 348 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 3: ways to win, and throughout it all, they're all playing 349 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 3: well defensively, all four of those lines as well, which 350 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 3: goes a long way. So I think if you're a 351 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 3: Penguins fan, you have a really strong reason to feel 352 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 3: optimistic about this team right now. 353 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 2: How do they feel about McGroarty. 354 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: I feel like he's on the payno mindless now and 355 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: probably in Wilkes unless somebody gets hurt and then he's 356 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: the first call up and he does go right in 357 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: the lineup as he is here, and part of me 358 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: gets it because he hadn't sparkled and he gets hurt 359 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: a lot. But I hate to see the team get 360 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: even more veterany. 361 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: I agree with that. I do think it's encouraging that 362 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 3: they brought him up as opposed to throwing Kevin Hayes 363 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 3: back in the lineup. I think that's the right move. 364 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 3: I think they want Rutger to keep playing. 365 00:18:58,600 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 2: They like him. 366 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 3: I don't think anybody in the organization is down on 367 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 3: Rutger McGorty. I think he's still trying to find his 368 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 3: way as an NHL player. I do think he needs 369 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 3: to develop more of a physical edge to his game. 370 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 3: I just don't know that he's skilled enough to try 371 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 3: to play a skill game, which I think he maybe 372 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 3: does too often. But I don't think he embarrassed himself 373 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 3: when he was at the NHL level earlier this season. 374 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 3: I think he's going to be a good player. Let's 375 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 3: remember he's so only twenty one years old. He's still 376 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 3: in the process of figuring things out. But if anybody 377 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 3: gets hurt in the top twelve, whether it be now 378 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 3: or in the playoffs, he absolutely will be the first 379 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 3: person to fill in, and I think he should. 380 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: We're talking to Josh o. 381 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: I have the athletic here on the Mark Madden Show, Josh, 382 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: Chicago's in town tonight. Why Chicago not better with Badard? 383 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: And I think he's coming around a bit. But did 384 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: they tear it down too far when they went to rebuild? 385 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: And maybe that's a lesson that Dubas learned from boy. 386 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: I think it's a huge lesson, And there are teams 387 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 3: who have done that San Jose for years. They're finally 388 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 3: starting to come back, but the Blackhawks were just so 389 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 3: bad the last few years. And yeah, you get a 390 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 3: bunch of talented eighteen and nineteen year old kids, but 391 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: that doesn't automatically give you success, and we have seen 392 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 3: that and Bedard. Listen, he's coming back off of an injury. 393 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 3: He hasn't really been himself since he came back, I 394 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 3: don't think. However, the first couple of months of the 395 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 3: season he was one of the leagu's leading scorers. He's 396 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 3: really starting to put it together. And remember he's only 397 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 3: twenty years old himself. He certainly is not in his 398 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 3: prime yet. He's going to be a great player. But 399 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 3: that team just had nothing for years. They didn't draft 400 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 3: particularly well after their Cup years, and you know, they 401 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 3: had a different philosophy than the Penguins. Say. They let 402 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: Patrick Kane go and Kane's not what he was, but 403 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 3: he's still a pretty darn good player. They probably could 404 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 3: have used him. They just decided to completely strip it down. 405 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 3: And that's not easy. It's like being an expansion team. 406 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 3: It can take you years. And that's exactly what we've 407 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 3: seen with the Blackhawks. 408 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: Well, they've watched three in a row. Let's hope it'sport 409 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: Or tonight at PPG and then the New York Grangers 410 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 1: are in time Saturday. Why have they fallen apart? Somebody 411 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: got there. It's not on him, But he didn't stop 412 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: it either. 413 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 3: No, he certainly didn't. And now injuries are a problem 414 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 3: to him. And we already know Panera's not playing again 415 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 3: until they trade him, which I'm sure will happen soon. 416 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: You think there's a big market. 417 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 3: For him, I think there's a market. I don't know 418 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 3: if it's huge. 419 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: Because I think he's a pain in the ass who 420 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 2: doesn't get goals that matter that much. 421 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 3: I would agree with that, except. 422 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: Of course, against the Penguins in those twenty twenty two playoffs. 423 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 3: Right, he still puts up better than a point per game, though, 424 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 3: and you know that that's something that won't be ignored. 425 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 3: I could see Florida taking a flyer on him. They 426 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 3: tried to get him three years ago along with Lebrowski. 427 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 3: That didn't work out. They've got the space now with 428 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 3: Barkov out. That wouldn't shock me. Somebody will take hay 429 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 3: run on him. But the fact is he's out. You know, 430 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: Adam Fox has been hurt, just Sterkins hurt. It's all 431 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 3: their best players and JT. Miller and Vince Trochuck of 432 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 3: that disappointing seasons and that Rangers team. Mark, I say 433 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 3: this all the time about them. They are so much 434 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 3: older than people realize. It's kind of ironic, you know 435 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 3: that they look like they might be looking into rebuild. 436 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 3: That's exactly what Mike Sullivan wanted to get away from. 437 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 3: And that looks like the direction they're headed in that 438 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 3: that team has a lot of guys on the wrong 439 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 3: side of thirty. They're one was absolutely slam shut. That's 440 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 3: a terrible team right now. Mark, they're one of the 441 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 3: worst teams in the league. 442 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: Well, these are two big games to win, I think, 443 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: two rotten teams, and you've got a chance to open 444 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: up some space in the standings. I saw somewhere I 445 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: think ESPN has the Penguins. That's seventy five percent to 446 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Who'd have thought. 447 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 3: I know, they're one of the greatest stories in the 448 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 3: game right now, There's no question about it. And I 449 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 3: think these games are important right now because as soft 450 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 3: as the schedule is right now, that changes. They have 451 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 3: seventeen games in March, which is a ton for one thing, 452 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 3: and fourteen of those seventeen games are against teams currently 453 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 3: in a playoff spot. It's an absolutely brutal schedule. They 454 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 3: will struggle at some point in March. The schedule dictate 455 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 3: that and as a result, you gotta beat teams like this. 456 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 3: And for as good as the Penguins have been, and 457 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 3: they are barding the best story in hockey right now 458 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 3: in my opinion, they've not been very good at home. 459 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 3: They're one of the best teams in the league on 460 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 3: the road. They give up almost a goal per game 461 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 3: more at home than they do on the road. They 462 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 3: need to beat the bad teams at home. When it 463 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 3: starts tonight. 464 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 4: What will the. 465 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: Penguins do with the trade deadline, because it's not far off, 466 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: especially given the Olympic break as a no trade zone. 467 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: It's March sixth, and the Penguins, like we just talked about, 468 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: are in an unexpected spot. 469 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think you're going to see Kyle Dubis 470 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 3: go on a massive shopping spree, but I think he'll 471 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 3: do something. And when I look at the Penguins, I 472 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: frankly think they're pretty well set it forward. The blue 473 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: line has. 474 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 2: Been especially given the way the lines, like I said, 475 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: the holes greater than some of the parts, no question. 476 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 3: But when I look at the blue line, now you've 477 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 3: got Jack saying I have any with the broken handies. 478 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 3: Out of eight weeks, Connor Clifton has been better lately, 479 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: He's still just kind of okay. Latang is injury prone. Gee, 480 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 3: those are all right handed defenseman. That tells me that 481 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 3: getting a right handed defenseman would make an awful lot 482 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 3: of sense for the Penguins at the deadline. You have 483 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 3: to give up something to do it, and I know 484 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 3: Kyle doesn't want to give him a lot of future assets, 485 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 3: but he has enough draft picks. You know he can 486 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: give up a draft pick or too. 487 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: You got anybody in mind for that right handed defenseman? 488 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: You were to call him at the athletic about it? 489 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's a few guys that I do 490 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 3: really like. Connor Murphy's one for the Blackhawks, and he's 491 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 3: a pretty solid defenseman. I don't think it would take 492 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: a ton to get him. He's a right handed guy. 493 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 3: Zach white Cloud, who was just traded from Vegas to Calgary. 494 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 2: I really like him. 495 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 3: He's just a steady, good defensive defenceman, which makes perfect 496 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 3: sense to slot in. I don't know, I'm guessing. I 497 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: don't know, though, Well, regardless if he is, he isn't 498 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 3: I say get him. He's just a dependable, physical defenseman, 499 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 3: a guy who want to Stanley cop. You'd have to 500 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 3: give up something to get it. But when you look 501 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 3: at Carlson the Tang, as good as they've been, especially 502 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 3: recently with the Tang playing much better, they're still such 503 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 3: flashy players. It's nice to have just a grounded defensive 504 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,719 Speaker 3: guy in the right handed side behind them, who frankly 505 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 3: might be an upgrade over Clifton Er Saint Ivany when 506 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 3: I look at their roster. That's what makes the most 507 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 3: sense to me. 508 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: What about the Jason Robertson story you wrote it, I 509 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: wrote it. I think it's a long shot. I'd look 510 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: into it, but I just don't see why Dallas would 511 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: trade him given that they're a legit Cup contender, even 512 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: if they have to deal with his restricted free agency 513 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: and do whatever when the time comes. 514 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 3: I think it's much more likely to happen over the 515 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 3: summer than it would be now. You're right, we all 516 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 3: know Colorado's the best team in the league, but the 517 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 3: best team in the league doesn't always win, and Dallas 518 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 3: has had their number, and Dallas is really good in 519 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 3: its own right, and that means Dallas is a legitimate 520 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: Stanley Cup contender. I'd be surprised. What's interesting with the 521 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 3: Penguins a couple of things. Number One, I know for 522 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: a fact Kyle Dubis loves him, and I know a 523 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 3: lot of people in the organization think he's an absolute star. 524 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 3: They'd love to get him. Also, the Penguins from a 525 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 3: trade standpoint, they have a lot of things to offer 526 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 3: that other teams don't. They could send a top six 527 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 3: player back in return. They could send her Ricard Riquel, 528 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 3: who would still be helpful to Dallas, even if he's 529 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 3: not as good as Robertson. They have a bunch of 530 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 3: draft picks to also augment such of a trade. So, 531 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: and they had the cap space, which might be the 532 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 3: most important thing of all it. They've got over fifty 533 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: million in cap space next summer, So at some point 534 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 3: I really think they will try to make a pitch 535 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: to get him. Now, I will tell you this, he 536 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 3: just switched agents and just got rid of Pat Berson 537 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 3: as his agent recently, so that might be a little 538 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 3: bit of a red rice. 539 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, he signed up with that agent who did a 540 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: bunch of other contracts for players with Dallas. I mean, 541 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: I've heard he might take a lot less to stay 542 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: in Dallas, which would make him a frigate mark. 543 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: But you know, whatever makes him happy, I guess. 544 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 3: Well it would good. 545 00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: You know. 546 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 3: Again, keep in mind Dallas one of those cities because 547 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 3: of the tax situation in Texas. You know guys will 548 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 3: take less money to stay there because they still make 549 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 3: up that money in the end. So something to consider. 550 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 3: But I know the Penguins front office really likes him, 551 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 3: and in all likelihood, the only way you get a 552 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: star of his magnitude at his age, if you're the Penguins, 553 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 3: You're not gonna get a top five pick right now. 554 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 3: That's the way it is. Via trade is the way 555 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 3: to do it, because guys like him do not become 556 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 3: available in undresearch a free agency very often. 557 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: Well, and Jason Robertson would fit the Sid timetable to 558 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: try to win again. Yet I don't see Sid wanting 559 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: a rustaer Riquela leave. Sid wants to have his cake 560 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: and eat. 561 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 3: It too well, and you know that that's true, and 562 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 3: he will play a role in this. But I also 563 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 3: think we've learned in the last couple of years, Mark, 564 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 3: Kyle Dubis does what he wants. 565 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I know, I know you will. 566 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm just saying there might be trepidation, especially given Pat 567 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: Boisson's preseason sermon on the mound. But then again, what 568 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: Sid's agent said, Boyson points did they should get a 569 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: guy like Robertson? 570 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 3: Completely agree? Like, listen, I love Brian is anybody I'm 571 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 3: a Ricard Roquel fan too. I'll take the guy who's 572 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 3: a better player, who's seven years younger. I know Kyle 573 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: Dubas would, and yes it is set in his ways. 574 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 3: Maybe Sid would like playing with Jason Robertson. I can't 575 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 3: think there's many play making sound think he would that guy. 576 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 3: In terms of pure goal scorers, Mark, there's not many 577 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 3: better than him in the league right now. He is 578 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 3: quite a hockey player. 579 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: I think Dubas should be Executive of the Year. I 580 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: mean every movie's made his work. I mean he made 581 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: China Koff look like Carlo mo mov And by contrast, look, 582 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: Couugh Toronto sucks since he left. 583 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 2: He was never the problem. 584 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: Who is that meat head Shanahan looking over his frigging 585 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: shoulder and now we see. 586 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more. It's amazing how much better the 587 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 3: Penguins are on paper, all based on moves he's made 588 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 3: in the last year, and through it all, he's actually 589 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 3: spent less money and given them even more cap space 590 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 3: and their system has gotten even better. Like that, he 591 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 3: is basically doing right now. There's a long way to go, 592 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 3: but he's doing what Ron Hextall tried to do and 593 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: couldn't do, which is simultaneously make the team better at 594 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 3: the NHL level while also making the system better. It's 595 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 3: almost impossible to pull off. But Dubas for about the 596 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 3: last eighteen months now has literally not made a mistake. 597 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 3: He's been exceptional. 598 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: Well, I can explain that Hextall's a dope and Dubas 599 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: isn't dub But finally, Josh, do you think the Penguins 600 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: right now are a playoff team and could they win 601 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: around I think if they finished second or third in 602 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: the Metro that's their best path to the playoffs period, 603 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: because I think both wild cards might come from the Atlantic. 604 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: But if you finish second or third, you play somebody 605 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: like the Islanders, even though they're the Penguin's bogey team. 606 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 2: You'd feel okay about. 607 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 3: That, Sure you would. And let's be honest, no one 608 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 3: wants to admit this, but just making the playoffs in 609 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 3: and of itself would be quite a story. I do 610 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 3: think they're going to make the playoffs at this point. 611 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 3: Part of it is how bad their division is. The 612 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 3: Metro is terrible it is. Are they one of the 613 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 3: best three teams in the Metro? 614 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 615 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 3: They are. I don't think there's any question at this point. 616 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 3: I do think they're going to get in and surely 617 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 3: could win around. You're right, the Islanders historically always are, 618 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 3: you know, a bad thing for Pittsburgh's to see in 619 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 3: the spring. But they could beat them. They're probably better 620 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 3: than the Islanders. And and don't think for a second 621 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 3: that Carolina is unbeatable by the way. They're probably know and. 622 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: The Penguins play them three times in March, correct. 623 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, they theoretically could catch them. I'm not necessarily expecting that, 624 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 3: but yeah, they do play them three times in March. 625 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 3: And that Carolina team is you like to say, Mark, 626 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 3: whatever they never had, they still don't have. And I 627 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 3: think you couldn't have to be the most. 628 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: Overrated coaching hockey and that handicaps them in a rather 629 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: odd way. 630 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 3: It certainly does so. 631 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: No. 632 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 3: I mean, these are good times for the Penguins. They 633 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 3: should make the playoffs at this point, despite that March schedule. 634 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 3: They're kind of playing with house money when they get in. 635 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 3: I don't think there's any pressure on this team. But 636 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 3: they're not exactly facing a nightmare, a nightmare of a 637 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 3: matchups to make a run in the playoffs. They really aren't. 638 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: Josh, I looked it up. Zach white Cloud is indeed indigenous. 639 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: It says you're a proud member of the Sioux Valley, 640 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: the Coda Nation in Manitoba, Canada. And I can't think 641 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: of a joke to make that would be funny and 642 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't get me fired. But I do hasten to add 643 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: I knew Wahoo McDaniel and Chief j Strongball. 644 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 3: That's fair, and I'm telling you he the good player. 645 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 3: I think he'd be perfect for that money. I would 646 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 3: like to see it for many reasons, quite honestly. 647 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 2: Josh great stuff. Will see it at the rink tonight. 648 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 3: All I see you tonight. Mark. 649 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: That's Josh Oowey from the Athletic. We got Charlie Batch 650 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: talking football Top of the Hour one oh five nine. 651 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 2: The X of course, Mike. 652 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: McCarthy getting hired by the Steelers to be the coach 653 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: and shedding tears because he's from Greenfield. Hey, I've been 654 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: to Greenfield. I usually cry when I drive through there. 655 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: Matt Harmon of Yahoo Sports feels the Steelers made a 656 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: mistake going local with their coaching higher. 657 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: It seems to be that was sixty percent of the 658 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 2: selling point. 659 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 4: Which, by the way, the last time you guys did that, 660 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 4: last time you guys did that Pittsburgh was when you 661 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:00,719 Speaker 4: draft Kenny Pickett. 662 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 2: Looks right next door. We looked a whole world there 663 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 2: right next door. How did that go? How did that go? Uh? 664 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: You know, He's right. 665 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: McCarthy is a better bet now to coach than Pickett 666 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: was then at quarterback. But hiring local tells a nice story. 667 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: Untoya lose a bunch of games. But the Steelers aren't 668 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: a mega corporation in a big market. They're not the 669 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: New Yorker La Whoever's The Steelers are small market, mom 670 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: and pop, the corner store. 671 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 2: There's both good and bat in that. 672 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: To make no mistake, macarthy being local was a big 673 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: part of the hire, perhaps even the biggest art hired 674 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: the best story, the local story, Art hired the feel 675 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:51,959 Speaker 1: good story. 676 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah of. 677 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: The NFL Network says he would play Will Howard at 678 00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: quarterback this year. 679 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 2: Well, I think is best for Pittsburgh. 680 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 5: To me, would I would roll with what you have 681 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 5: right now on the roster, and I would actually want 682 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 5: to see Will Howard if it's anywhere close in a competition, 683 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 5: I'd want to see Will Howard win it, because I 684 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 5: don't know that there's a bad scenario there. He plays 685 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 5: well and you're like, oh my gosh, we've got this 686 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 5: six round quarterback and win a national championship. Turns out 687 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 5: he was better than people thought, and what you know, 688 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 5: it cost us nothing or it goes terrible. And in 689 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 5: a draft that at least from this far out looks 690 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 5: like it's going to be pretty good at that position, 691 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 5: you're going to be picking up there for once instead 692 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 5: of being in the Pittsburgh Steelers no man's land. 693 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: That's what I've been saying. You play Will Howard if 694 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: he's great. You stumbled on your answer. However, unlikely if 695 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: you go four and thirteen to draft Arts Manning, but 696 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily either or if you play will Howard. 697 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 2: Howard could be okay and no better. 698 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: You win seven, eight games, nine, whatever, and you waste 699 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,239 Speaker 1: a year and the problem still ain't and all this 700 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: talk don't matter because Rogers is coming back. Like I 701 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: spoke earlier, McCarthy said he's excited about Howard, and he 702 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 1: was really excited. He wouldn't be putting on the full 703 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: court breast to bring back Aaron Rodgers. And by the way, 704 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: let me predict right now, if Rogers does come back, 705 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: he won't finish the season, gonna get hurt bad like 706 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 1: he didn't this past year. Because he's old. It figures 707 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: to happen. Here's Dominique Fox, where's on ESPN. He would 708 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 1: not bring back Aaron Rodgers. 709 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers isn't getting better. 710 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 4: And I'm concerned about the message that they're sending to 711 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 4: their fans and the message that they're sending to their 712 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 4: team by bringing Aaron Rodgers back. If they do like 713 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 4: that message is we moved on from Mike Tomlin because 714 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 4: we've been tired in part. 715 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I know they didn't. 716 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 4: Choose to fire Mike Tomlin, but the frustration was we 717 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 4: couldn't get past the first round. Bringing Aaron Rodgers back, 718 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 4: I think sends the message that we think we're going 719 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 4: to make a run for the Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers 720 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 4: isn't a decision for the future. He's not getting better 721 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 4: than he was last year. This team is not a 722 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 4: championship contender. At some point they're going to have to 723 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 4: rip the band aid off and make a transition to 724 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 4: another quarterback or another plane. 725 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: All that's true, it's damn true, and especially the part 726 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: about the Steelers not being a championship contender. But critical 727 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: point here the Steelers think they are a championship contender, 728 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: or at least close to that. The Steelers for years 729 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,439 Speaker 1: have had a problem seeing themselves as they really are, 730 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: and now with Tomlin gone, that problem does not appear 731 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: to be clearing up. 732 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 2: And anyway, contending for a championship that's not the goal. 733 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 2: The goal was a non losing season. Every game matters. 734 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: Maybe you win the division and winning a playoff game 735 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: would be like winning. 736 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 2: The Super Bowl. If the Steelers next season, if they go. 737 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: Nine to eight and do nothing else on top of that, 738 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: Rooney would feel the year wasn't wasted, even though it 739 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: was up next Charlie Batch one oh five ninety x