1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Four one two three to three to three wxdx. That's 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: the double secret probation number gets you on the show Quicker, 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: or you can use the standard number eight three to 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: three four one two w xdx. This guy's gonna wind 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: up playing college football longer than freaking Kenny Pickett. 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: Uh. 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: I gotta get a little a little Steeler quarterback talking. 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: ESPN's latest mock draft has the Steelers taking Ty Simpson 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: in the first round, the quarterback from Alabama, and not 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: just their mock draft either. That's become a very popular 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: choice in a lot of mocks, and I've been thinking 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: about it, and I don't like it. I don't think 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: Ty Simpson checks all the boxes. I think he's raw, 14 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: but I mean that in a bad way. Maybe two raw. 15 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: But I could see it because that would get the 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: line of succession at quarterback set up for after another year. 17 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers force feed it because the draft is here. 18 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: You get a big pop on the podium when you 19 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: draft the quarterback. I could see it because that's how 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: Art Rooney the second thinks, never waste a year except 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: for the last nine. But I really really could see 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: it them drafting Ty Simpson Miami voided the contract today 23 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: of the boy toy, Zach Wilson. Now, I know he 24 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: feel with the New York Jets just like everybody does. 25 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: Did so good with Miami either, but he was only 26 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: a backup. I'm telling you, Zach Wilson, He's still young. 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: He could still be good in the right situation. He's 28 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: a talent, and he was the number two pick overall 29 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: not that long ago, just a few years. But I 30 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: hasten to add Pittsburgh is not that right situation, and 31 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: that wouldn't be on him, it would be on the Steelers. 32 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: What else we got? Olympic hockey continues. Finland beat Sween 33 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: today three to one, four to one empty netter. Both 34 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: those teams are now one and one. But Sweden doesn't 35 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: look good so far. They looked rattled, like in their 36 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: opener against Italy, which they didn't win by that much, 37 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: and you could tell they don't trust Gustafson and goal. 38 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: Now Tom dropped the bombshell, which I did not realize 39 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: that every team mixed the playoffs with the top four 40 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: of twelve getting a bye to the quarterfinals. So really, 41 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: all this loss does to Sweden is maybe put them 42 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: in the play and round the bottom eight teams and 43 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: because of that maybe gets them a tough quarterfinal game 44 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: against the US or Canada and upsets the natural border 45 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: of things. For what the IOC and the networks probably 46 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: want the semifinals to be, which would include all of 47 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: the above, the USA, Canada, and Sweden, although that division's 48 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: weird because if Sweden beats Slovakia, which is no gimme, 49 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: but if they do and Finland beats Italy as they should, 50 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: then Italy goes oh and three and three teams go 51 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: two and one, which would push them not into a bye, 52 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: although what are they taking? Yeah, probably would get the 53 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: top team on tie breakers among those three a bye, 54 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: but anything can happen. And I don't like the format 55 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: where everybody gets a playoff game because it makes the 56 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: round robin the group phase not nearly as meaningful. Oh, 57 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: by the way, we got Avery Hayes scored them two 58 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: goals in Buffalo right before the break in his first 59 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: NHL game, then went right back to Wilks of the 60 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: hat trick. Avery Hayes joins the show at four PM 61 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: because we have the best hockey talk in Pittsburgh by far. Hey, 62 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: nobody else even bothers, and when they do, they get 63 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: it wrong. And certainly the Buncos continue to intrigue. Yesterday 64 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: moved to the idea of Si and Castellanos on the 65 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: cheap to play third and give him another bat. But 66 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm backtracking on that one. Washed up old guys enough, 67 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: that's Ozuna. Ozuna is why catches out. The Pirates have 68 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: young guys. That's good. Don't compromise that energy. But again, 69 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: Triolo can't hit, Henry Davis can't hit. Nick Gonzalez can hit, 70 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: but only a little bit. So I mean I'd be 71 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: tempted by Castellanos, you know what. I'm tempted more and 72 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: more by. And I'll talk more about this later. Is 73 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: keeping Connor Griffin to start the season. Paul Skeen said 74 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: he's ready, and you know, coming from Skeens, that's not meaningless. 75 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,559 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what else you would say, 76 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: but he seems convinced that that Griffin can help them 77 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: win games. And we have a SoundBite. Did that effect 78 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: later in other Skeens news, Uh, they had a scrimmage. 79 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: I guess it was or live pitching and Skeen struck 80 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: out the password. I guess he couldn't log in. I 81 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: have been wondering who the fifth starter is going to 82 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: be with this group, and now we're hearing that they're 83 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: looking at Carmen Maleczinski, who's done okay. I mean, I 84 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: guess okay, not really okay, but we'll say it's okay, 85 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: out of the bullpen, and you know, maybe he can 86 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: provide the answer. But it just goes to show that, 87 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, by trading Oviedo and Burrows that they did 88 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: compromise their starting rotation. And I know you got to 89 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: get more bats than they did, but you also robbed 90 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: Peter to pay Paul, so they got to come up 91 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 1: with with something in that number five spot until Jared 92 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: Jones gets back, and who knows when that'll be, and 93 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: even when Jones does come back. Really, you need six starters. 94 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: Let's be honest, you need six starters. If you have 95 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: five starters, every starter starts like what, thirty three games. 96 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: How many starters start thirty three games? Not very many. 97 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: It's just about protecting the arms and no Tommy John 98 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: and make sure they have a long career, even if 99 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: the good guys do go someplace else to reap the 100 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: benefits of that long career because the Pirates never pay him. 101 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: One guy who did have a long career as a 102 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: pirate passed away. Roy Face, the Baron of the Bullpen, 103 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: passed away yesterday a week shy of ninety eight, an 104 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: all time great pirate eighteen and one in nineteen fifty nine, 105 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: eighteen and one, somehow as a reliever. You know he 106 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: did it. He got teased by his teammates. I remember 107 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: Dick Grote talking about this. Not sure if it was 108 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: on my show or when mister Grot and I were 109 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: speaking at some event, but he would always say that 110 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: Face would blow the lead and then the Pirates would 111 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: hit and hit, shut him down and get to win. 112 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: That's how he wound up in eighteen and one. Maybe 113 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: there's some truth in that, because you'd think eighteen to one, 114 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: as a relief pitcher would get the cy Young and 115 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: the baron didn't. But then again, they didn't give the 116 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: cy young the relievers very often back then. Just like 117 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: I said, an all time great pirate, fifteen years with 118 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: the Pirates, World Series Champion of nineteen sixty, Roy Face Rip. 119 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: He will be missed. Today is Friday the thirteenth, and 120 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: tomorrow is Valentine's Day. I find both to be very 121 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: proximate in terms of bad luck. I feel like my 122 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: Valentines this year are Tate McCrae, the pop star I 123 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: mean wow dates, Jack Hughes of the New Jersey Devils, 124 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: and the US Olympic team. She's Canadian hockey can turn 125 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: any Canadian woman into a puck bunny. And of course 126 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: my other Valentine would be Zach Effern and oh Greg 127 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: the Hammer Valentine who I work with. We've been talking 128 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: about Pittsburgh basketball, and I'll get to more of this 129 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: in just a bit. But besides what we've been talking about, 130 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: how good pitt and Ducune used to be. The old 131 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: ABA team. The Condors need the piper Nee, the Pioneers 132 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: need the Wrens that played in Pittsburgh. Uh, that's part 133 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: of history. But Pittsburgh once had the best high school 134 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: All star game anywhere, used to be right here in Pittsburgh. 135 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: We will talk some about that later. Also, how about 136 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: this for a story that people aren't there and couldn't get. 137 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: It's rumored the WWE, whether WrestleMania or because WrestleMania is 138 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: not far away, but maybe the date after that the 139 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: main event might be Logan Paul against Bad Bunny because 140 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: Logan Paul is a regular wrestler for WB the Internet influencer, 141 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: and Bad Bunny has wrestled for WB before and his 142 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: gave a good account of himself too. Logan Paul against 143 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: Bad Bunny would be monstrous. Logan Paul said, it could 144 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: be the biggest match in wrestling history. It wouldn't be 145 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: far from that. You know why you would recycle the 146 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: Redneck versus woke vibe that the Super Bowl Sunday halftime 147 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: show had. You can't put a price on that, Actually 148 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: you can. It'd be big, bigger, biggest. Up next, we 149 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: want your calls, calls on the fifteens. A familiar name 150 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: returning to coach college football in Pittsburgh. We'll talk about 151 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: that as well, and we got Tim Bench at the 152 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: bottom of the hour one oh five to nine. The 153 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: X welcome streets play a wild game. 154 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: It's not fair. 155 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: It's not fair. 156 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 4: It's not fair. 157 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: X one five nine. 158 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: I want to revisit that Ty Simpson thing real briefly, because, 159 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: like I said, a lot of mock drafts are placing 160 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: Simpson to the Steelers in the first round. Simpson the 161 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: quarterback from Alabama, and it's not what I would do. 162 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: I think they need a receiver right now more than 163 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: they do the future quarterback, and that is going by 164 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: the Steelers philosophy that they don't want to waste a 165 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: year if you're playing right now. They need wide receivers 166 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: very badly because McCarthy so often used three wide receiver 167 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: sets and the Steelers only really have one wide receiver 168 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: of any note, that being the Kaitlin Metcalf what's his name, 169 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: Zacharaiz the Kaitlin and Zachariz Metcalf. Canada just scored on 170 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: the power play. Kind of a dicey call against Switzerland, 171 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: but mcjesus scores. I think Sid was in on it. 172 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: So Canada leads one nil just a little over five 173 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: minutes into the first period. But getting back to ty Simpson, 174 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: one thing that I believe I do very effectively is 175 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: I have learned to think like the Steelers, think like 176 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: any team that I talk about. I wouldn't take Ty Simpson, 177 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna tell you why I think they would. 178 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: I touched on it earlier. Art doesn't want to waste 179 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: a year. That's one Art is dotless tired, of the 180 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: team being a laughingstock for mangling the quarterback position. So 181 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: if you bring back Rogers for this year and you 182 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: have Ty Simpson waiting in the wings for next year, 183 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: your quarterback situation is set moving forward if Simpson's any good. So, 184 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: thinking how Art would think, that's the path I can 185 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: easily see the Steelers taking. Piling on top of that, 186 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: you make the big quarterback pick at the podium here 187 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh and get the big pop, which is important 188 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: to Art. And I'm seeing this through the eyes of 189 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: somebody who doesn't make very many good decisions and doesn't 190 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: know what he's doing and has proven such. But that's 191 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: why I think they're going to do what I think 192 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: they might do, which is draft Ty Simpson big red. 193 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: He turned to Pittsburgh. Greay Gatuso, long time head coach 194 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: at Dukene University, had been coaching at Albany. Most recently 195 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: he was at Penn State as an advisor. That's his 196 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: alma mater where he played. Greg coming back to be 197 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: the associate head coach at Duquanne University where he was 198 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: the head coach for so many years. So congratulations to Greg, 199 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: great guy, known him for years. One of my fondest 200 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: memories of Coach Gatuso is seeing him play for seat 201 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: Less Salle High School. I was covering the game for 202 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: the North Hills Free Press, long since defunct, and it 203 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: was Seatless Hell against Knock the Class DOAA final and 204 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: Gatuso like Way two forty five and was playing fullback 205 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: as well as defensive line. And him running through Knock 206 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: on a muddy field no less, it looked like a 207 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: water buffalo trampling ducks. It was both disgusting and compelling 208 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: at the same time. And then I saw Greg play 209 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: deck hockey years later and it was about the same. 210 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: Feeling so good to have Greg Getuso back in time. 211 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: Excellent coach, excellent guy. Let's go to Rick and Pleasant Hills, 212 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: Rick your own double. 213 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 4: M ay Mark. Hey, when the Pipers were here, my 214 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 4: dad was involved in that. And you know the only 215 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 4: reason they never did draw up lies although the last game, 216 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 4: the playoff game, the championship game, they had to hold 217 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 4: the game up because there were so many people there 218 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 4: and I think at that time the arena held like 219 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 4: twelve or fourteen thousand people. But the reason they moved 220 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 4: was the commissioner of the ADA lived in Minneapolis and 221 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 4: he wanted a team where he lived. That's why they moved. 222 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 4: Although they weren't they probably will. 223 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that could have been any team that moved to Minneapolis. 224 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: And the Pipers in Pittsburgh that first year for championship 225 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: team especially didn't draw and you couldn't help. But wonder 226 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: if it was sustainable. Then again, from that aspect, then 227 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: why did they bring the team back a couple of 228 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: years later. Let's go to Ben. 229 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 3: Hey Mark. Part of the reason I'm a fan of 230 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 3: the Penguins is they have high character guys like Sidney 231 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 3: Crosby on the roster. 232 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: But I've been hockey has high character guys, but but. 233 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 3: Do go on right? And I think that's the reason 234 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 3: I don't really like the Steelers in the NFL in general, 235 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: because those guys seem to be lacking. I was just 236 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 3: wondering if you had any recent players for the Steelers 237 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: you think actually embodied that trait, uh. 238 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: Troy Pulamlin, Brett keesl, James Farrier. I can name a 239 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: lot of them, anybody on the roster. Now I'm thinking 240 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: a three three four one two WXDX number to call 241 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: one thing. I'll talk about this later, if not later Monday, 242 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: because we go to jam Pack Show today. Tim Ben's 243 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: up next. If I were Mike McCarthy, I would come 244 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: in and say to Cam Heyward, you can't do your 245 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: podcast anymore. It's too big a distraction that just got 246 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: proven again. And if Cam says he wants to do it, 247 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: cut him. Let that be his primary source of income. 248 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: At some point, the Steeler's going to take the Steelers back, 249 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: rejuvenate the logo, try to make it what it was. 250 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: But they won't. And I know people that they're gonna say, 251 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: you can't tell him he can't do a podcast. Well, 252 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: of course you can, you absolutely one hundred percent can't. 253 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: But do you have the guts to no good comes 254 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: from that podcast? None? I bet Cam makes minimal from it. 255 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: Then again, it's tough to feed a family on what 256 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: he makes. Tim Ben's up next, one oh five to nine, Yeah. 257 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 4: Park love the show. 258 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: Well if I won Bundy Betating Dusty Road, Tomican Dream, 259 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: so be a baby. The exit one O five nine 260 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: Canada now leads too. You know they might steamroller everybody 261 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: in this Olympic Men's hockey tournament. Joining me now from 262 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: the trib always a pleasure to talk to Tim Benz. Tim, 263 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: what's your take on Porter v Ben and Cam just 264 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: letting it happen. I think that it's real bad for 265 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: Ben moving forward. 266 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, my first response is what do I think 267 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: of it? I think the wrong guy is throwing stones 268 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: from the glasshouse. It should be the quarterback that's throwing, 269 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: but it's the linebacker in this case. You know, I 270 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: think there was It seemed to be an intent for 271 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: Joey to not specifically talk about the sexual misconduct allegations, 272 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: but he walked as close to the line as humanly possible. 273 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: Well, and he knew Tim, He knew that if he 274 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: said what he said, that everybody else would pile on 275 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: and that millage villain Tahoe would be in every story 276 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: written about what he Porter said. 277 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: Right, because you could talk about him being a bad 278 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: teammate and that means not signing footballs for Aaron Smith 279 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: and Chris Hoak. When you talk about him being a 280 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: bad person, that's what you're insinuating. And let's be honest, 281 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: Joey had some mouth seasons away from the field as well. 282 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: Now you know this is not coming from somebody who 283 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: had any sort of dislike or disdain for Porter. I 284 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: enjoyed covering Joey Porter a great deal. He was great 285 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 2: to deal with in the Lawdow. 286 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. I liked him till now, ye. 287 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 2: Know, And and Ben. I never had a good relationship 288 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 2: with Ben. Ever, I know you did, but I didn't. 289 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: So it's not like I'm choosing sides based on any 290 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: sort of personal bias here. I've gone biased. I should 291 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: be biased, I should be the other way on this, 292 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: but I just don't think it was. I can't get 293 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 2: over the irony of Porter complaining about Steelers airing dirty 294 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: laundry and he went and aired dirty laundry that didn't 295 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: really need to be aired. Specifically, he started off talking 296 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 2: about Harrison, who was a lot more vitriolic in what 297 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 2: he said about Tomlin than Ben Ever was all Ben 298 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 2: said was it was time to move on, And in 299 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: the process of talking about it, I think he said 300 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: that they should build him a statue. 301 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: I mean that, I'm not even sure that that Harrison 302 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: was victoral, Like he just said that Tomlin isn't a 303 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, and I don't think he is either. 304 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: Well, no, but he cut a wrestling in the process 305 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: of saying it. Ben just sort of set it to 306 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: Spence and moved on. 307 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: You know, like, well, that's cause Porter's scared to death 308 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: the Harrison. 309 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 2: Well, I will say this, I will say this. The 310 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: one thing that Porter talked about that was one hundred 311 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 2: percent right was how Debo never stopped being Debo and 312 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 2: that might have cost him with Tomlin because he didn't 313 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: want to deal with the whole depot thing. Like I 314 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 2: went back and watched the whole podcast, that part of 315 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: it wasn't really cut up into the bits, but he 316 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: went on about that for a little while, and that 317 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: was I don't know if I ever heard anybody say 318 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 2: that publicly, like another former teammate, but that was kind 319 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: of buried in the Ben stuff. Is some of the 320 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: stuff that Porter talked about why Harrison ended up being 321 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 2: mad at Tomlin because of how Tomlin handled him with 322 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 2: the roster. The easier headline grab was Joey talks crap 323 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: on Ben Roethlisberger. But there was some actual, like interesting 324 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: meat on the bone that Joey gave up about Harrison 325 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: that that kind of had beat my curiosity peak. 326 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: Will this effect Ben from making the Pro Football Hall 327 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: of Fame? On the first effort. 328 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: It could because it just reminds people, I suppose, But 329 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 2: then again, we're so fleeting in our memories. If nothing 330 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: else happens three hundred and sixty, three hundred and forty 331 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: five days from now, whenever they vote again, it'll be 332 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 2: out of our consciousness, I believe. I think the bigger 333 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: deal mark for him and getting in on the first ballot. Actually, 334 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: the story with the more staying power is Belichick Craft, 335 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: those guys not getting in. I don't know if people 336 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: view what Ben was accused of off the field as 337 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: under the same tent as what Craft was or Craft 338 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: in Belichick. 339 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: And Worth, noting that Ben was never charged and there 340 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: was no evidence, whereas Craft and Belichick were guilty. 341 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 2: Spy gay, yes, for sure, And you know, I think 342 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 2: that that was more precedent setting than this topic of 343 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 2: conversation bubbling back up again. Uh will be for next year, 344 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 2: because that'll be talked about, That'll be reminded of for 345 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: that next vote. I don't know that this podcast blit 346 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: will be. Now to your point about Cam Hayward just 347 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 2: kind of sitting there and letting it happen, Yeah, I 348 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 2: don't think he minded because if he did. He could 349 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 2: have cut Joey off, or he could have interjected. 350 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: I think that his his inaction indicates he feels the 351 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: same way portered it about Ben, especially given that he 352 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: had a chance to edit it out because it's his podcast. 353 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and the other person I wondered 354 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: about during this whole thing was who was sitting next 355 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: to him, Diana Yet, so what was the agreement there? 356 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 2: She's sit on this on purpose because like obviously she 357 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: didn't write about this in advance. I didn't see her 358 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: right about it, did you know? 359 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: Isn't that weird? Well not really, because because Diana left 360 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: media behind, she showed bis now. So I don't know. 361 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: It's hard to what the agenda is for so called 362 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: reporters when they stopped being real reporters. Was Ben that 363 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: hated in the locker room? Timmy, you know that better 364 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: than me, because I'm not discounting that possibility. But Pouncy 365 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,479 Speaker 1: and Ab jumped to his defense, and those are two 366 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: guys who count. 367 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: I think Ben always had an agenda to take care 368 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 2: of who he felt were his guys, and that meant 369 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: the offensive line, that meant heath, that meant trying to 370 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 2: keep ab saying, and to a certain extent as well Bell, 371 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 2: for it wasn't quite as hard for him to manage Bell, 372 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 2: I don't think. And Bell didn't become hard to manage 373 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 2: until it was a matter of managing his own money, 374 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 2: and then he was impossible for anybody to deal with. 375 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: Speaking of guys who cost themselves the Hall of Fame, 376 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 2: but I think that there were some that were on 377 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 2: the outside of Ben's circle that he created for himself, 378 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: that had some resentment to him. 379 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: Yes, uh, how's this reflect on the team now? Because 380 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: it's not directly connected. But like I wrote my trip column, Tim, 381 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: the more the logo coulds dragged through the excrement, the 382 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: tough one is to get the stink out right. 383 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 2: Because for as much as there was infighting and carping, 384 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure that happened with the Steelers in the seventies, 385 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 2: I mean, so much of it seemed to be focused 386 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: on Bradshaw and the Rooneyes long after retirement. 387 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: Well and Terry never had a podcast either, Well, but 388 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: he did. 389 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: Have Sunday Morning Football Boxer and before that, I guess CBS, 390 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 2: and he did say the hey you said stuff about 391 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: Ben quite a bit over the year and that was 392 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: always sort of a rub too. But my point was 393 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 2: that the previous glory days of Super Bowl champions you 394 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: didn't have this much layered public airing of laundry like 395 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: you know, you hear after the fact that Stalwart and 396 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 2: Swan used to gripe about not getting the ball and 397 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: used to fight each other over who was going to 398 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 2: get the ball? You know, I mean, didn't Jack Ham 399 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: tell some story about him and Lambert and maybe some 400 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 2: jealousy overhead Lions or something like that when you guys 401 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 2: used to do that show together. 402 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there were disagreement with in that locker room, 403 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: every locker room. Like I said, none of those guys 404 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: had podcasts. None of those guys had blogs. And by 405 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: the way, Tim, let me just jump in and say, 406 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: if I'm Mike McCarthy, I tell Cam Hayward, no blog 407 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: and if excuse me, no podcast. If he still wants 408 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: to do it, cut him because at some point, and 409 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: this won't happen, but at some point the Steelers need 410 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: to take the logo back, need to minimize the distractions 411 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: where they can. But we both know that won't happen. 412 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: And I always love when people whine you can't tell 413 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: him you can't do a podcast. Well, of course you can't, 414 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: you absolutely can. 415 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 2: Didn't they kind of do that with Aaron Rodgers and 416 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 2: Pat McAfee. I would be surprised to find out if 417 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers one completely said I'm not doing McAfee voluntarily. 418 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: I think maybe they steered him in that direction at 419 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: the very least. 420 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, then they steer Cam too, because you know, 421 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: what those guys get for doing those podcasts is probably 422 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 2: pretty good money for guys like us who are in 423 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 2: the business and we do our podcast, but for them 424 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: it should be beer money, regardless of what bonuses Cam 425 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 2: or kid Cam did not catch in advance of last season. 426 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, and I think your point is valid about 427 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 2: taking the logo back because when you are a organization 428 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 2: that is as steeped in history as they as they are, 429 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: and as much as they rely on that history because 430 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 2: they haven't done anything in the present tense and the 431 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: near recent past, they've got to lean into that. And 432 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: my point about going back to the seventies was, for 433 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 2: as much little carping as there might have been, those 434 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 2: guys always were looked as as the steel the steel 435 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: curtain as a family, even Bradshaw maybe the one exception, 436 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 2: and this group is fracturing itself and it's a bad look. 437 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: And I think from a Steeler fan point of view, 438 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: no one likes it when mommy and daddy fight, particularly 439 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: when it's in a restaurant of crowded people. And you're 440 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 2: seeing some of that right now. 441 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,719 Speaker 1: We're talking to Tim Men's at the trip here on 442 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: one oh five nine, the x tim ESPN's mock draft 443 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of other mock drafts as well. Have 444 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: the Steelers drafting ty Simpson, the quarterback from Alabama in 445 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: the first round? Could that happen? Because more and more 446 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: I can kind of see it now, Not should it. 447 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: I don't think it should, but could it? 448 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: I have a hard time gauging that because I don't 449 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 2: know what McCarthy likes in a quarterback coming out of college, 450 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: Like how he would look at Tys Simpson and say, okay, 451 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: that's kind of like why I liked Alex Smith more 452 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: than Aaron Rodgers, or why I still saw something in 453 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers by the time they were united in Green Bay. 454 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 2: I don't know that, but like there is a sense 455 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 2: of he was a good quarterback on a good team, 456 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 2: good leader. But when you hold his feet to the fire, 457 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: and the National Football League is gonna look like Kenny Pickett. 458 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 2: Now he did do it in the SEC and not 459 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 2: the ACC. My belief is the floor is higher and 460 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 2: the ceiling is higher for him both cases. Then pickets 461 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: one thing that Art should understand, and especially if Rogers 462 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: comes back, and I heard you talking about this, if 463 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 2: they feel like they've got to play it up for 464 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 2: the draft. I know, nothing pops like a quarterback, but 465 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 2: this town is so starved to see them take a receiver. 466 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: It might not be the big pop, but it would 467 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 2: be big enough. And if it's a so so quarterback 468 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: versus a bang on first round worthy wide receiver choice, 469 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 2: just go with the wide receiver and they'll get the 470 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: pop that they're looking well. 471 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: No, I agree, but I think that Art will see 472 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: it that the quarterback gets the biggest possible pop. And 473 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: Art talks about not wanting to waste a year. If 474 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: they draft the quarterback this year, you know ty Simpson, whoever? Really? 475 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: Then you have Rogers this year, and you have the 476 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: line of succession for who starts next year, and it 477 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: looks like they've solved the problem even if maybe they haven't. 478 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: I agree with that part of it, And we kind 479 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: of thought that about Pickett too, where you know, the 480 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 2: theory was he was gonna sit for however long, he 481 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 2: was gonna sit behind Trubisky, and there was gonna be 482 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 2: a line of succession there, even if he had to 483 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 2: skip half a year after Roethlisberger, maybe a full year 484 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: after Roethlisberger. And because the pit thing, people would be 485 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 2: willing to wait. Rogers is a future Hall of Famer. 486 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: People might be willing to wait. There's enough of a 487 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 2: sub sect of Steelers fans that are out there that 488 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 2: think that Rogers can be Rogers because he's gonna have 489 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: McCarthy now and he never had that chance with Arthur Smith. Yeah, 490 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 2: I could see that without squinting hard. I could see 491 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 2: them locking themselves into that theory. 492 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 1: Tim Trinidad cham was the quarterback at Ole Miss. He 493 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: wants a six yuer of eligibility right now. He's got it. 494 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: A judge filed that edict. The NCAA could appeal and 495 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: overturn it. He obviously wants to keep getting that college 496 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: nil money. What's your take on that? And is NCAA 497 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: football now a competing pro league to the NFL. 498 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 2: It's it's close, if not right there. Yeah, because you 499 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 2: know it's funny. I don't want to sound like a 500 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 2: total hypocrite on this, because what we're seeing now with 501 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 2: college basketball in college football is starting to mirror some 502 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: of the effect that we've seen in recent years in 503 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: college hockey. And I know I really have gotten into 504 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 2: college hockey since doing the Robert Morris games. But even 505 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 2: before the COVID situation and the extended years of eligibility, 506 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 2: you were seeing kids who were twenty three then. And 507 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 2: I know, like coming out of the shutdown of the 508 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 2: reboot for RMU where there are still kids who were 509 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 2: getting COVID years. Their captain that year was twenty six 510 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: Riley Saint Ange Pursua, and I used to joke with him, 511 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: is your wife here with the grandkids to watch the 512 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: game tonight? You know, like it was ridiculous think he 513 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: had a twenty six year old college athlete. That we're 514 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: all very used to it, but it does feel very 515 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: strange that this is now a way to make money 516 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: and delay yourself going to the NFL. I'm a little 517 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: less offended by it in college football that I am 518 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 2: in college basketball. Because there are other leagues that pay 519 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: go to Europe, go to Greece, go to Turkey, go 520 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: to Spain or whatever, and play overseas like so many 521 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: college kids do. There's no other outlet for that, so 522 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 2: I guess, okay, stick around to college. But it does 523 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 2: sort of smack of what you and Tom were talking about, 524 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: especially in the case of this kid, when he's just 525 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: afraid that you're gonna be told that you're not gonna 526 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 2: be good enough, because if he's not good enough by 527 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: twenty five, he's not gonna be good enough by twenty 528 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: six either. 529 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: Tim. Before we wrap up, what's your take on Olympic 530 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: hockey so far? Canada currently leading Switzerland two to one. 531 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: The Swiss he's pulling back a goal after being don 532 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: to nil. It's a surprisingly hard hitting game. Connor McDavid 533 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: just got lit up with a pretty good hit. But 534 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you the Swiss goal today aside, Canada 535 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: has looked like a juggernaut so far. 536 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: Well, I'm more interested in what you thought about the 537 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: American team yesterday, because that game could have been three 538 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 2: to one after the first and maybe wrapped up with 539 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: even more of knaxious score like seven or eight to one. 540 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: The funny thing about them yesterday was, you know, the 541 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 2: two guys that I think got the most heat for 542 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: being on the team were Trocheck and Nelson, and they 543 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 2: both played well. Nelson was great. 544 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: I think he was. 545 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: He well, that's what I'm saying. 546 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 3: He was. 547 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 2: He was playing so well. I thought the Latvians were 548 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: wearing Penguins jerseys, knowing his history against Pittsburgh. But you know, 549 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: he I never thought we'd get a single game out 550 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 2: of him at Team USA this year like that. So 551 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: I guess what I'm saying is I think that score 552 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 2: could have been even more tilted than what it was. 553 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: And you know, they had bad luck, like they hit posts, 554 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 2: they had the two goals disallowed. I was more impressed 555 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: than I thought I would be with Team USA because 556 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 2: I was down on their roster instruction. 557 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: I'm still down on their roster, Tim. They only played Latvia. 558 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: I think that they look a half step slower than Canada, 559 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: and that might be a half step too slow. 560 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 2: Well then that now we're talking about it. Are they 561 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 2: better than Canada? No? 562 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: But but Tim, the way they constructed their team was 563 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: to be better than Canada. They they think physicality is 564 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: the best bet against Canada, maybe conceding that they cannot 565 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: skate them. I mean, when you got McDavid, McKinnon and 566 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: Crosby down in the middle, that's unprecedented attack power and 567 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: star power. 568 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 2: It is. I guess where I was going with the 569 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: thought was I was so concerned about Team USA coming 570 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: into this tournament. I wasn't even sure that they would 571 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 2: get a bronze. But you know, when you see the 572 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 2: Czechs struggle the way that they did, it looks like 573 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 2: there might be some flaws to Finland and Sweden. You 574 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 2: know that didn't Finland lose and then they beat Sweden? 575 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 2: Isn't that how it went today? 576 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: Correct? Correct? But I see, I think I think the 577 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: US is the second best team. I just think they 578 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: picked the wrong roster. I think they himself open for 579 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: an upset in the playoffs, especially given that that that 580 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: Sweden and Finland, by each losing a game, could easily 581 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: drop down to a quarter final spot against the US 582 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: or Canada. And I think Canada's equipped to handle that. 583 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: The US, I'm not so sure about. Well, let me 584 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: give you. 585 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: The devil's advocate point of view on you know, the 586 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: bottom part of the roster, like basically the bottom forward line. 587 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: Would the bottom. 588 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: Forward line of the US ever decide a game against 589 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 2: Canada given the star power up top with Canada that. 590 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: You just outlined, I don't think so. 591 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: Are we sweat by point being marked? Are we sweating 592 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: too much about guys who would be the last forward 593 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 2: line for the US? Because like, did they make any 594 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: really egregious missteps on the blue line? Do you think 595 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 2: with their defenseman? 596 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, they should have Lane Hudson, Layne Hudson, yep. 597 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 2: Okay, so like that would in my mind if you 598 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 2: were I. 599 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: Think they should have col Kawfield and Jason Robertson. I 600 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: look at Nelson, Miller and tro Check and I know 601 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,239 Speaker 1: to a the three, but I would have dropped two 602 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: of those three. 603 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: Okay. But now if you put those guys out there, 604 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 2: and I know I'll pick a third to make up 605 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: a young youngster line that would have been the third line. 606 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 2: Do you think Sully would have actually played those guys 607 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 2: the minutes that would have mattered? Anyway? 608 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: Here's what I was talking to a local pay like, no, no, 609 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 1: I know, but let me just throw this back as 610 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: maybe the reasoning or lack of reasoning Tim. I was 611 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: talking to a local hockey guy today and we agreed 612 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: that part of the problem with the US team is 613 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: that Billy Garran picked all guys who think like him 614 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: to pick the team. There's no devil's advocate there, you know, No, 615 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: there was probably nobody there. Like as soon as they 616 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: said no cow Field, everybody probably harrumps and said, yeah, 617 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: no Caffield, no Robertson, let's be big, let's be tough. 618 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:50,479 Speaker 2: I agree with that. 619 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: There was no one there to say what the figure 620 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: we doing. That's one thing Herb Brooks always bounced ideas 621 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: off off weird. Like I've told this story before. He 622 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: asked me and Tom McMillan about two guys and I 623 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: won't say their names, but one played for the Penguins 624 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: prior to picking the two Olympic team, just in conversation, 625 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: and the next thing we knew those guys didn't make 626 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: and they were expected to. Whereas I think the US 627 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: just has a bunch of Garren Jess. Mean that may 628 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 1: be true. 629 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 2: Now, you know, history is sort of as it relates 630 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 2: to Herb because of miracle kind of warps that like 631 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: when you've talked to Craig or when you talk to Herb, 632 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 2: because Herb never actually saw the movie made. But like 633 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 2: that scene where he just picks the twenty six guys 634 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 2: up in Colorado Springs, did it really happen that way 635 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 2: or did he actually bounce those roster ideas off of Craig? 636 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,720 Speaker 1: Uh? It wasn't as cut and dried as the movie. Okay, 637 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: Herb certainly had partly had an idea, but no, it 638 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: wasn't that cut and dried. Did the tryouts mean something 639 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: maybe separating you know, depth charge places, And certainly that 640 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: got ironed out over the exhibition games they played, but 641 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't quite as cut and dried. My one complain 642 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: about that movie is that they they dramatized and embellished 643 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 1: a story that just didn't need any of that. Tim 644 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: great stuff. You're doing something tonight on Fox Sports Pittsburgh. 645 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: Tell me what's going on. 646 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're at the auto show, the Steelers Auto Show 647 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 2: shows that we always do this weekend. There's two for 648 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 2: the Steelers. There's one for the Penguins on Sunday, two 649 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 2: for the Steelers Friday and Saturday. I'm on the air 650 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 2: six until eight tonight with former Steelers All Pro offensive 651 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 2: lineman Center, Jeff Hardings. We're on six to eight there, 652 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 2: so swing by the Auto Show. And a great year 653 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 2: to have him on, with the twentieth anniversary of Super 654 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 2: Bowl forty and his role in springing Willie Parker. We'll 655 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 2: talk about all that and everything going on with the 656 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 2: Steelers this year too. 657 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: Tim great stuff. That's Tim Benz, brought to us by 658 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: Kamusi Chevallet, serving the Pittsburgh area for one hundred and 659 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 1: seven years. We got Avery Hayes of the Big Penguins 660 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: and the Little Penguins. Depends on the week, I suppose 661 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: at the time up in the hour one oh five nine, 662 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: David Lawrence Conventions at her f