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Speaker 2: Yeah. Always my pleasure buying and Happy Thanksgiving, Jim and

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Speaker 1: I don't want to. I know it's not on the list.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about how not to get scammed

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Speaker 1: on Black Friday and cool tech gadgets. But if you

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Speaker 1: got a moment or two. This Wall Street Journal article

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Speaker 1: Georgia Wells writing teens are saying tearful goodbyes to their

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Speaker 1: AI companions. Apparently, one of the chat bot makers, called

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Speaker 1: Character AI, is now limiting and cutting off teams from

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Speaker 1: I just it was disturbing to read what these young people,

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Speaker 1: thirteen year olds for example, are talking about in terms

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Speaker 1: of their interaction with and the amount of time they

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Speaker 1: spend talking with artificial intelligence, creating characters that they kind

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Speaker 1: of believe are real, and then now that they're being

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Speaker 1: these are being taken away, they're struggling emotionally with dealing

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Speaker 1: with this was lack of communication. This is all ones

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Speaker 1: in Zero's Dave. They have no connection or no pre

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Speaker 1: appreciation for the fact they're just talking to a computer,

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Speaker 1: not a real living entity. This is scary stuff, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, it is pretty scary. It's hard for

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Speaker 2: me to understand how anyone thinks that when they're talking

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Speaker 2: you know, if you've used these things, you'll find that

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Speaker 2: they will be conversational. I'll answer your questions, you know.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, the idea that you're actually having a conversation

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Speaker 2: it's hard for me to understand. Now I'm not a teenager,

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Speaker 2: so I don't know, you know, but it's it's a

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Speaker 2: You know, there's now all true studies coming out talking

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm not really that surprised to see that

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Speaker 1: Well, so it isn't always just younger. This was even

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Speaker 1: more disturbing. A guy named Jose Ignacio Tarrillo is cited

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Speaker 1: he acknowledges it's really addictive. He says he hasn't been

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Speaker 1: able to quit the character AI program, even though he

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Speaker 1: no longer enjoys the hours he chats with his u

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Speaker 1: F fiction characters. Even at work. He takes his phone

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Speaker 1: to his chat bots. He said, I don't even have

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Speaker 1: so these are fake characters. He's created, and he feels

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Speaker 1: I think he's operating on the delusion that they're expecting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting by him because along those same

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Speaker 2: from people who are having incredible conversations with chat TPT.

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Speaker 2: These people said the company's AI chatbot understood there was

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Speaker 2: any other person. Well, it's because it's it's telling me

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Speaker 1: It is very disturbing, most notably when they start to

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Speaker 1: one of the folks that was interviewed on this, I

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Speaker 1: think it was the guy who created this character AI

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Speaker 1: program quote the difficulty logging off doesn't mean something is

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Speaker 1: as designed, and that is a very revealing statement. Points

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Speaker 1: out this is what they want, these tech companies. They

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Speaker 1: want you to spend hours, I guess engaging with artificial

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Speaker 1: intelligence for nefarious reasons. I don't know, but it's scary

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Speaker 1: as how. I only bring this update because there's parents

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Speaker 1: But you know, you got to keep in mind the

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Speaker 1: in and of itself is enough to keep me from

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Speaker 1: engaging in a conversation with them. Sorry, Dave took you

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Speaker 1: were prepared for it. How to not get scammed on

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Speaker 1: Black Friday. We'll bring day back to talk about that

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Speaker 1: Tech Friday on a Tuesday, So Tech Tuesday with Dave

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Speaker 1: had our interest. All Right, we know there are scammers,

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Speaker 1: thanks to you, Dave. Maybe we've all been scammed ourselves

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Speaker 1: and it was a lot of it going on in there.

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Speaker 1: But how do we avoid getting scammed? On Black Friday specifically,

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, Brian, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: about this earlier this year, before Prime Day, a cybersecurity

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand fake websites set up to scam people around

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Speaker 2: To make some spoof in general would be making something

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Speaker 2: Cyber Monday. And here's one headline from malware Byte Labs,

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Speaker 2: home depolos and when you when you couple the spoofing

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Speaker 2: you know, when inflation is high, it's you know, it's

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Speaker 2: easy to send out a billion emails. It's easy to

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Speaker 2: follow that up with a billion text messages. Right, it

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Speaker 2: these very realistic looking emails and texts. You know, they're

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Speaker 2: when you get right down to it, in some cases,

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Speaker 2: And you know they're going to make it easy for

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Speaker 2: So here's the headline. For you. Brian at letcgroups urge

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Speaker 2: And yeah, that's always my concern with these Internet of

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Speaker 2: Something like that makes a good gift, especially for students

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Speaker 2: think is a pretty cool gift is an RFID blocking wallet. Well, yes, right,

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Speaker 1: That's scary stuff. Standing in line, the guy behind you

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Speaker 2: You know, all the Apple watches and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: Dave Hatter, we're out of time six fifty seven. Intrust

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Speaker 1: Interest I t for your business needs. Dave, I wish

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Speaker 2: Well, Brian, same to you and Jede with all your listeners.

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