1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: And now it's time for Joe Escalante live from Hollywood. 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: If my Hollywood, you mean Burbie across the street promo 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: meaners and it's a that serves. 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: Beer right here on k EIB eleven fifty on your 5 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: AM dial. I am broadcasting live from Phoenix, Arizona at 6 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 2: Dodgers Spring Training. Kind of true. There's a sublime show 7 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: out here called the Innings Festival, and the Dodgers are 8 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: out here, the Angels are out here, the Padres are 9 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 2: out here. But we're still doing the same show, which 10 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: is the business end of show business. It's going to 11 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: be on a podcast later. That's how they do it. 12 00:00:55,160 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: This is a radio show, terrestrial weird, I know. And 13 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: we do it every Sunday from five to seven pm. 14 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: And then we convert it magically into a podcast. Okay, well, 15 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: what do we want to start with today? Well, I'll 16 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 2: tell you what we want to start with. We want 17 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 2: to start with a. We're going to start with the 18 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: box office. Sometimes we don't do that, but today it's 19 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 2: going to happen box office industry news. Oh the goat 20 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: seventeen million dollars Sony's Family Animation. It came back to 21 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: the top spot and it's second weekend, holding strong and 22 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: now over fifty eight million domestically one hundred and two 23 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: million worldwide. There's a glut of movies with talking animals, 24 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: so I hope they enjoy this because I just have 25 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: a feeling at the bottom is going to fall out 26 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: of this industry. Two Weathering Heights. We're going to talk 27 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: about that in a minute. I did see it. Fourteen 28 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: point two million, made a bunch more last week. There's 29 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: a movie called I Can Only Imagine. It's a faith 30 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: based sequel modest opening at eight million. Let's see after 31 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: that it goes to crime one oh one. Haven't seen it? 32 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: Send help, have seen it, We've talked about it, Go 33 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: see it, recommend it. How to Make a Killing is 34 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: number six. Number seven. That Elvis concert, an actual Elvis 35 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: concert is number seven at the box office from me 36 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: On Pictures bringing in freaking three point two million donuts 37 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: now Zootopia two solo MEO the number like fifteen to eighteen. 38 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: Movie is Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie. We 39 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: will talk about that too. Let's first start with a 40 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: summary of the overall weekend is pretty quiet, No major 41 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: new blockbuster launches, so they'll holdovers, The Goat and Weathering 42 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: Heights are dominating. Overall domestic gross lower than many earlier 43 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six weekends, reflecting a typical February low before 44 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: bigger spring releases. People usually release bad movies in January 45 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: because they if you have a good movie, you want 46 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: an Oscar, so you release it at the end of 47 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: the year so it'll be remembered. The movies in January 48 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: usually like they don't care. They're not going to do 49 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: anything except for the exception would be I would say everywhere, everything, everywhere, 50 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 2: all at once. That was like released in January, and 51 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: I think it one best picture or something. If I 52 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: remember some big if only there was an Oscar for 53 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: Best Picture this year, it would probably be won by 54 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: Marty Supreme. I saw it again this weekend. I or 55 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: to know this last week a Screen Actors Guild screening 56 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: where the Supremes to himself came and answered questions or 57 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: actually talked after the movie. Timothy Challo may when you 58 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 2: tell your wife that you have an invitation to see 59 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: Marty Supreme in Beverly Hills and Timothy Chalamey is going 60 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: to be there, She's not going to let you get 61 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: out of it, so we did it. It was really good. 62 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 2: What a nice guy, you know, all that stuff. Maybe 63 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 2: he's not the leading man of my era like Burt 64 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 2: Reynolds or a John Wayne, but he's not a woosy 65 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: like Mark Ruffalo, so he's somewhere in the middle. I 66 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 2: think he's a tough guy. I think he's more than 67 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: the DiCaprio mold seems less political, but you know, give 68 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: him time. But what a great actor, perhaps the greatest 69 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: living actor working today regularly Timothy SHALLOWMTE. Was really cool 70 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: to see him, he says, Hi, I tell my listeners, 71 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 2: by the way, okay, and the movie was great again, 72 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 2: definitely worth seeing twice. Let's see the other movies I 73 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: saw this week that were new Weathering Heights. Let's go 74 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: to Weathering Heights. Did I talk about that last week? 75 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: I don't remember, But good god, I think we need 76 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: to put this movie to bed. We don't need this movie. 77 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 2: We just don't need it. Do you need it? I 78 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: don't need it. I mean it's like it's already been. 79 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: It's been. You know, everyone's read the book, everyone's done 80 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: the seeing the old one with Laurence Olivier, and this 81 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: new one. Yes, every girl loves it because they like 82 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: Jacob ed LORDI known for euphoria. You can take anyone 83 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 2: out of euphoria and put it on the screen, and 84 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 2: you know, kids go crazy. He was also in Saltburn, 85 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: which is a great movie that I did recommend a 86 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: while ago. But in any case, Margot Robbie, everybody likes her, 87 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 2: including me, very talented, you know, just Offord Barbie and 88 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: multiple Oscar nominations as Katherine Earnshaw, the like pile. She's 89 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: a pile. So this movie is about a bunch of piles. 90 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: The book is about it. I assume I haven't read it, 91 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: but Emily bront eighteen forty seven novel. It's a public 92 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: domain movie, so they didn't have to pay for that. 93 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: The movie is like Everybody's a pile. The woman Catherine 94 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: Earnshaw Kathy as the caller in the film. She's poor, 95 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: but she lives in a like an estate. You know, 96 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: she's got a family history. And then some rich people 97 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: move in next door and she wants to meet him 98 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: because she's a climber. Okay, so she's a climber and 99 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: she wants to ignore her childhood sweetheart because she's a 100 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: climber and she hurts his feelings, and so he finally leaves, 101 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: and then she goes and marries some fool. So he's 102 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: not an evil person. This guy's the only guy in 103 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: the movie is not evil, but he is a fool. 104 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: So that's what we got going in this movie. Evil 105 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: people and a fool. So she burns him. Then she 106 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: goes over to the house, meets the guy that owns it, 107 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: gets married to him, and then he comes back. The 108 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: heart throb comes back and says, why did you leave me? 109 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: But he doesn't. She's married now. So when an honorable 110 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: person says, wow, that didn't work out, and go and 111 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: create a union and a family with some one who 112 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: deserves your love and someone you can make a family 113 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: with and be an honorable person, but he doesn't. He 114 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: just tortures her and tempts her and ruins his life, 115 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: her life, the fool's life, and the father of the 116 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 2: daughter is also a pile. The girl that already lives 117 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: in the Big Castle is also a pile. The housekeeper 118 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: or handmaiden that's been living with Margot Robbie her whole 119 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: life is also a pile. So who do we Why 120 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: do people like this movie so much? Why do people 121 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: like the story? What's wrong with people? I just kept 122 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: my mouth shut when I got home and on the 123 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: way home because I didn't want to ruin my wife's 124 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: euphoria over the movie. I just said, yeah, okay, just 125 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: kind of quiet. And then I'm telling you people, wow, 126 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: wasting my time. And here's why. It's very beautiful, very 127 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 2: well made, well written. Everything's great, the acting's top notch. 128 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: But in the end, you're trying to celebrate this undying love. 129 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: I mean, this love is so strong, but it's a 130 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 2: strong between two evil people, so at they spend the 131 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: last half hour just like trying to really tell you 132 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: how deep this love is. And there's never been a 133 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: love this deep. But who cares. These are bad people 134 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: and they ruined a bunch of lives. We shall not 135 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: speak of Wuthering Heights again. Joe's Galante Live from Hollywood. 136 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: Let's take a break and check the traffic. We'll be back. 137 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: Joe's Galante Live from Hollywood. We are back, and we're 138 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: talking about movies right now. And the other movie that 139 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: I saw this week, which I gave it five stars, 140 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: and I'm saying it's my favorite movie of the year. 141 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: I liked it better than Marty Supreme, so blah blah blah. 142 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 2: Really you can't compare Marty Supreme with this movie called 143 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 2: Nirvana the Band, the show, the movie. But I just 144 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 2: loved it. It's a fascinating film and from a business 145 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: affair standpoint, it's one of the boldest copyright plays in years. 146 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: This could change the law of copyright as we know 147 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 2: it so or just how copyrights are enforced in Hollywood. 148 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: This is a what do you call it? A monumental 149 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 2: touchstone of blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. You 150 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about. Okay, So the movie is 151 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: about these two guys who have a YouTube. They're YouTube stars, okay, 152 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: from Canada. It is a guy named Matt Johnson who's 153 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: the director, and his longtime collaborator Jay McCarroll. Their fictional 154 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: band spelled with two ends. For some reason, they think 155 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: that that'll help them. Their band is Nirvana the Band. 156 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: Do you think this movie is about Nirvana? Well, it's not. 157 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: It's not. There's no Kids, is not a Courtney Love project. 158 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: This is not Dave Grohl and Chris nova Selik getting 159 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: together to do something fun. This is two guys and 160 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 2: their name of their band is Nirvana the band. Okay, 161 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,599 Speaker 2: that's how pathetic they are. And the store and the 162 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: and the thing is that they're they're playing themselves as pathetic. 163 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: We are pathetic people. And the whole plot of this 164 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: movie is that these pathetic people are trying to scheme 165 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: to play the Rivoli Theater in Toronto. Now that is 166 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: a I went back and looked at their YouTube series 167 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: which has been on for a while and they're on 168 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: Viceland TV, and they were in this one. They were 169 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: trying to get a show at the Rivoli nightclub, So 170 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: I guess that's their thing. They're just like, how are 171 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: we ever going to get to play in this cool club? 172 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: So anyways, that's pretty cool and endearing. And it's like 173 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 2: a time travel mockumentary parody packed with real clips, like 174 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: people that don't know they're in the movie, so many 175 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: pop culture references, archival footage. Man, it's just like news footage, 176 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: direct visual riffs on films like Back to the Future. 177 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: I mean to the extent that you're just taking you're 178 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: copying the whole plot Back to the Future almost and 179 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: it even you know, digitally inserts characters into real a 180 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: media event. They jump out of on the top of 181 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: like a space needle thing that's in Toronto. They jump 182 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: out of it and try to get in the dome 183 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: next door, but they're too late because it closes. You know, 184 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 2: it's one of those closing domes. They're just a couple 185 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: seconds too late. And so many references to all these 186 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: different things, and they cleared nothing. They didn't clear anything. 187 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 2: They just said everything's fair use. Okay. Matt Johnson, the director, 188 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: openly calls it a copyright nightmare. Instead of asking studios 189 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: and rights holders for permission, which you know ninety nine 190 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: percent of filmmakers do, they built legal argumens for fair 191 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 2: use in advance and they cleared nothing, waiting for people 192 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 2: to sue them. They worked with lawyers to draft written 193 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: justifications for every single use before shooting. But the reality 194 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: of that kind of stuff is if you assert fair 195 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: use the perfect person, what is fair use? I guess 196 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: we got to talk about it. Fair use is using 197 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 2: a copyright without where you don't have to pay for it, 198 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: you have to credit it, you have to do anything. 199 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: You're just using it because you're saying this is fair use. Well, 200 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: you can't just say that. There has to be a reason. 201 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 2: It has to be maybe like you, you have to 202 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 2: use it because you have a First Amendment right to 203 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: talk about it, and so you have to show people 204 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: a certain amount of it so they know what you're 205 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: talking about. So you have to be talking about the 206 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: thing you're using. You can't just play it. Like the 207 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: seminal case was the song imagined by John Lennon which 208 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: was used in this movie and the Ben what's his name? 209 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: I forgot his name anyway, So Ben uses the movie. 210 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,479 Speaker 2: The song doesn't pay for it, doesn't get permission. Yokoho's 211 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: Matt He says, I have fair use because my movie 212 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 2: is about the trivialization of religion, and in this song 213 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 2: you say, imagine no religion. So here is John Lennon 214 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: and Yoko Ono saying, oh, imagine no religion, like that's 215 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: supposed to be a good thing. And then the Ben 216 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: guy says, I'm I say that's harmful for American culture. 217 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: But I got to play the song so I can 218 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: tell my audience how you did it and how you 219 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: told people that a world would be better without religion. 220 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: So you got to say it. I think they ultimately 221 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 2: won that one and so he didn't have to pay anything. 222 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: But anyways, can you imagine making that argument for like 223 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: fifty things in your movie. Some that one was you're 224 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: making commentary. The other prong is like it has to 225 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: be transformative. It has to be like, it's not a 226 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: song anymore that everybody's going to dance to. It's a 227 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: art of a lecture about trivialization of religion and culture. 228 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 2: So you have to not use as much. You can 229 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: only use as much as you need to make your point. 230 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: And you have to make a point, and you cannot 231 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: dilute the value of the original copyright holders work like 232 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 2: you just say, like, hey, you know what I like 233 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: the song in the Summertime by Jerry Mungo or whatever 234 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: that guy is, and then you go here it is 235 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: in the summertime when the weather is you can bop. 236 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: Now if you did that what I just did and 237 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 2: said that song is the Seminal seventies summertime beach song, 238 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: and it uses kind of an island vibe and it 239 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: really represents the feeling of people in the seventies when 240 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: they you know, people were kind of letting their hair 241 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: down and they were going to the beach and they 242 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: had mustaches. I don't know, but that's me, and that 243 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: would be an honest, fair use. I had to sing 244 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: a little bit, but you can't play the whole song. 245 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: What if I just played the whole song and then 246 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: I released it as a single, but it had my 247 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: little introduction, that would not be a fair use. That'd 248 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: be an unfair use because I'd be taking away from 249 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: their right to earn income on their song. I'd be 250 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: using more than I need. It's not transformative anymore. I'm 251 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: trying to go sell records anyway. Maybe that explains it 252 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: to you. But the problem is if you assert a 253 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 2: fair use, the copyright holder will never agree with you, 254 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: never because if they agree, they weaken their own rights 255 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: in a way. So from the rights holder perspective, every 256 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: unauthorized use is an infringement. Doesn't matter if you call 257 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: it a fair use. I call it an infringement. I 258 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: assue you. But here's the flip side, and this is 259 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: the part that matters. If they want to stop you, 260 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: they have to sue you, and suing is expensive. Federal 261 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 2: copyright litigation can run millions of dollars. Discovery experts, appeals 262 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 2: and they might lose. Fair use is an affirmative defense. Okay, 263 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: you're saying, I have this, you tell me it's not. 264 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 2: And if your use is transformative, like a parody, comedy, commentary, criticism, 265 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: a court could side with the filmmaker. And that's risky 266 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 2: for a big studio because a bad ruling could create 267 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: a precedent. So what Johnson and McCarroll did in this 268 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: movie Nirvana the band to show the movie, it could 269 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: really create precedents saying like, hey, nobody was able to 270 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: these guys got away with it and it was so 271 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: this is a standard. Now, this is a fair use. 272 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 2: Nobody sued. And if you didn't sue over this, now 273 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: some lawyers are going to say you have to sue 274 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: because if you don't sue, you will lose your intellectual 275 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: property rights eventually. Okay, that's where the lawyers make their 276 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 2: money by making everybody paranoid. I know you're gonna have 277 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 2: to give me a million dollars, but it'll cut three 278 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: million dollars once you lose your copyright like the Murphy 279 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 2: did bad people did with their trademark, or the band 280 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: Aid people did with their trademark stuff like them. So 281 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: that's when the evil lawyers really come out. But it's 282 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: ultimately a game of leverage. Who wants to risk this 283 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 2: this enormous legal bill, very risky And in the movie, 284 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: the guy even jokes about how it would this movie 285 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 2: might be pulled from theaters. If you're watching this movie 286 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: in theaters now, he turns to the camera and said, 287 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 2: you might be the last people to see it, because 288 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 2: what I'm about to do is a copyright problem, like 289 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: stealing from Back to the Future, among a whole bunch 290 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: of other things. But the movie that's a gimmick. But 291 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: what they did not, what is not a gimmick, is 292 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 2: the heartwarming story of two friends on an adventure, and 293 00:18:53,480 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: that's a classic storytelling motive motif. Yeah, there you go, 294 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: And they did it. They pulled it off. They pulled 295 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: off every single stunt they tried to do, and every 296 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: trick photography thing they did, they pulled off having a 297 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,239 Speaker 2: beautiful movie with a beautiful story where you would, you know, 298 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 2: laugh and cry and becomes a part of you. Anyways, 299 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: Nirvana the band the movie, I would say, drop what 300 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 2: you're doing and go see it right now. All right, 301 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: let's take a break and come back with more on 302 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 2: Joe Escalante Live from Hollywood. Joe Escalante Live from Hollywood. 303 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 2: We are rolling. We are out here in Phoenix at 304 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 2: the Spring Training in the Innings Festival with Sublime, Tonight 305 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: with Blinkoin eighty two and Public Enemy, and I'm coming 306 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: at you from the Biltmore Hotel. It's very nice here. 307 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: You might want to google it. It's beautiful. Okay, where 308 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 2: are we going now? Okay, how about bad people? Bad 309 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 2: people in Hollywood. We've got a few bad people this week, 310 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: quite a few. Shi La Buff arrested in New Orleans 311 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: during Marty Grass two misdemeanor counts of simple battery after 312 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 2: an alleged altercation in the French Quarter. Of course, and 313 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: it was pretty sad because a lot of it was 314 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: on film. And you know, we love Shi La Buff. 315 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 2: He's a great actor, recent Catholic convert, but he's having 316 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: a tough time with his sobriety, and unfortunately he's famous 317 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: and people challenge him and it just ends up getting 318 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: all over the media. So the police say he hit 319 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: two guys and they probably hit him. But of course, 320 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,479 Speaker 2: you know this is the way it's going to go. 321 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: Got booked, mugshot, the whole deal pre trial hearing next month. 322 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: He hasn't detailed his defense yet, but it's not his 323 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: first brush with the law. He had a few other 324 00:20:54,600 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: ones Republic intoxication, I think disorderly conduct back most of 325 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: my alcohol issues. Also face civil litigation. I profile abuse 326 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: lawsuit filed by the musician FKA Twigs. You know, but 327 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: remember he's a Catholic convert, very public conversion to Catholicism 328 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 2: while preparing to portray Padre Pio in the film about 329 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: the Italian saint. And if you haven't heard of Padre Pio, 330 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: be careful if you study Padre Pio, if he went 331 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: on YouTube and started, you know, doing a rabbit hole 332 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: with Padre Pio, you will end up a Catholic. You 333 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 2: will send me an email and say, hey, Joe, can 334 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 2: you sponsor me? I'm going to become a Catholic. I 335 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: looked up Padre po I read all this stuff, and 336 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: now is he was up until nineteen sixty eight. He 337 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: was living proof of the validity of Catholicism. And this guy, 338 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't die till nineteen sixty eight, so 339 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: he's a very modern recent saint. But if you look 340 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 2: him up and you go down the rabbit hole. Welcome 341 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 2: to the Catholic Church. It happened to Shila Buff, It'll 342 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 2: happen to you. Okay, you know where he comes from, 343 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 2: Shilah Buff. Another Disney Channel kid. Evidently even Stevens do 344 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 2: you heard of that? Is he in that? Maybe he's not, 345 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 2: but that's what I thought he was from. Did the 346 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: first three Transformer films? How about Peanut Butter Falcon? If 347 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 2: anybody wants to look up, I would say the best 348 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 2: Shilah Buff movie. I haven't seen the Padre Pio one, 349 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 2: very excited. The Peanut Butter Falcon. That's a good one. 350 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: That's very touching. So anyway, it's hard to see this 351 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 2: public destruction, you know from a someone who is you know, 352 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: troubled but is looking for help. But the best thing 353 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: about being a Catholic too, and I know he's feeling 354 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 2: this right now, is you uh? You know, these like 355 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 2: infinite forgiveness and also there's a lot of responsibility too, 356 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 2: because you can be a really good Catholic and drink 357 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 2: a lot of wine and a lot of beer and 358 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 2: a lot of martinis or whatever you're into. But because 359 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 2: you have you have a confession, you get crazy you 360 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 2: go to confession, you get right back on that horse 361 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: and try to be a good person again. And I 362 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 2: think that is a struggle. But I always see a 363 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 2: lot of Catholics, you know, they'll they don't go into 364 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: AA and they drink later in life, and maybe it's 365 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: not good for them, but they kind of keep it 366 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: under control because if they're faithful Catholics, they go to 367 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: confession and it's always on their mind that they can't 368 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: go too far and they got to try again. And 369 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: but people that go to UH rehab and they quit alcohol, 370 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 2: they quit you know, cold turkey all the way, and 371 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: so they you know, maybe that's better for their health, 372 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 2: of course. But God bless Shi lah Bouff and we'll 373 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: pray for him and call me if you if you 374 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: or send me an email. I go to my Facebook 375 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 2: page Joe Ascalante Live from Hollywood, and send me a 376 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: message there on Facebook and tell me if you researched 377 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 2: Padre Piu and whether you became a Catholic or not. 378 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 2: Timothy Buss felt okay, remember him, he's the white the 379 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: husband of uh what's your name? Half Pint from Little 380 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 2: House in the Prairie. And he was arrested and for 381 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: first these kids, like it was a long time ago, 382 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 2: and the kids he's an actor in the and these 383 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 2: kids said that he molested them or he touched them 384 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: in their private areas outside their clothes. First they said 385 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: he just tickled them and it was nothing. And then 386 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 2: like years later they back and say, you know, he 387 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 2: did illegal stuff and we didn't say anything about it 388 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: because we were afraid to, you know, lose our job, etc. 389 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 2: So at first I thought it was a little fishy. 390 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: Just seemed like these are and the the the support 391 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 2: he got from his wife just unconditional. So it seemed 392 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 2: to me like it was just an unfortunate accusation that 393 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: someone was trying to run a scam on him. It 394 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 2: just looked like that to me. Chris Hansen disagrees. You know, 395 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 2: Chris Hansen from to Catch a Predator, He's seen a 396 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: lot of this. He was interviewed recently and he says 397 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 2: that he had past accusations going back decades, civil allegations 398 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: in the nineteen nineties and in twenty two sorry twenty twelve, 399 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: a complaint that did not result in charges. Hanson's position 400 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: is that the current child sex abuse indictment in New 401 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: Mexico fits into a longer pattern. He also made a 402 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 2: pointed observation. Hansen said Bussfield had a long time to 403 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 2: prepare this defense that he's doing right now, and so 404 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: he had months he knew these charges were coming, he 405 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: knew he was going to believe not guilty, and he 406 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 2: had a bunch of support letters sent out already or 407 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 2: already to go. So Hanson says, he's really just shaping 408 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 2: the narrative, arguing that time prior allegations and alleged these 409 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: are you know, he can explain them away or blah 410 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: blah blah, but it's you know, it's something that the 411 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 2: jury is going to have to decide ultimately, because you know, 412 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 2: it just doesn't look like he can make a real 413 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: determination just from you know, sitting in the outside and 414 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: saying he can't say last guy's guilty. He's gonna he's 415 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: just trying to dig his way out of it. I 416 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: don't know, you just can't. So I'm not but yeah, 417 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: kind of go back and forth on that one. What 418 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 2: other criminals are roaming free in the Hollywood community. How 419 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: about this guy Patrick Mahomes Senior, Yeah, arrested for allegedly 420 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 2: violating the terms of his probation, stemming from a prior 421 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: d UI conviction. Authorities say he failed to comply with 422 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: ordered conditions. Reports indicate issues tied to alcohol monitoring and 423 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 2: required supervision terms. So he was just being I get 424 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: loose with his his uh probation. So that's you know 425 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 2: who he is. He's the Patrick Mahomes senior. You got 426 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes Junior who was the quarterback for the Kansas 427 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 2: City Chiefs, And I don't know, feel bad for that 428 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 2: guy too. He was one of the cockiest talent, most 429 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: talented guys a year ago, a year and a half ago, 430 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 2: maybe on every commercial. I mean, he was on top 431 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 2: of the world. Then his team started to suck and 432 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 2: then all this, So I feel bad for him. So 433 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 2: his dad is just he was taken into custody, you 434 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: know where they will determine if they were going to 435 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 2: revoke his probation and give him additional jail time. All right, 436 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 2: So I think we're going to take another break. Come 437 00:28:41,720 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 2: back Joe Scalante Live from Hollywood. Joe Sclanti's lawyer. You 438 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: don't want money, He does it all for you. We 439 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: are back. Joe Escalante Live from Hollywood. Coming at you 440 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: from the Biltmore Hotel just outside of Phoenix, Arizona, where 441 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: Sublime will play tonight at the Innings Festival with Blink 442 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: Went eighty two and Public Enemy. And it's spring training. 443 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: There's baseball players everywhere, and the weather is beautiful. And 444 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: I am, you know, doing my job, my day job. 445 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: I'm a band manager, band meetings, et cetera. Let's see 446 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 2: what else we got today is Live Nation, so you 447 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: know Live Nation. This is interesting. Live Nation and they 448 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 2: own Ticketmaster pretty much, and they are, you know, kind 449 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: of constantly under the micro scope from the Justice Department 450 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 2: because the they have a monopoly on certain, you know, 451 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 2: portions of the entertainment industry and the ticketing industry. And 452 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 2: they so much so that one of their guys like 453 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 2: the president of something and some guy like Oak Something. 454 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 2: It's like one of those irving azof companies Oak this 455 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 2: Oak that one of the guys got indicted and he 456 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: was facing jail time for running a racket bribing to 457 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 2: get to prevent other people from competing. Anti competitive behavior. 458 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 2: That's the heart of the Sherman Anti Trust Act. And 459 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 2: that was my specialty in law school. So I'm very 460 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: interested in it. Okay, am I published in the field. 461 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: Yes I am the Western Law School Law Review of 462 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four or something like that. Anyway, look it up. 463 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 2: Fascinating stuff. A judge refused to dismiss the US government's 464 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: antitrust lawsuit against Live Nation, accusing them of monopolistic control 465 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 2: over live concert ticketing and event services. The court allowed 466 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: the case to proceed toward a potential trial, with parts 467 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 2: of the alleged conduct still before the judge. It's pretty 468 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 2: high stakes entertainment business battle that could reshape live events 469 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 2: in America because they will, you know, try if they 470 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 2: say these guys have a monopoly, they'll make them split up, 471 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 2: and it impacts you know, artists and fans, venues, ticket pricing, 472 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 2: especially given the ongoing complaints about fees and competitive practices. 473 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: You know, everybody. You put together a jury and this 474 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: kind of thing, and they're going to go, like, I'm 475 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: going to sock it to these guys because I'm sick 476 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 2: and tired of paying for fifteen hundred dollars for Oh wait, 477 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: so did I say fifteen hundred thirty five hundred dollars 478 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: for Taylor Swift tickets? You know? And so that's a hard. 479 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: You don't want to go to try with this. These 480 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 2: guys should settle. However, the guy that got into I 481 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: did Trump pardoned him. Okay, so that guy got pardoned. 482 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 2: And when I heard that, I go, well, they probably 483 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 2: won't have the trial because they pardoned the guy the 484 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 2: chief villain, so he's not facing any personal jail time anymore, 485 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 2: but the company could still be severely sanctioned and forced 486 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 2: to sell off assets. So when Trump did that, I 487 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 2: mean I was upset. I mean, I you know, I 488 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 2: think Trump is much better than the last president we had, 489 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: but this one I disagree with. Pardon that guy, he's 490 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: a crook. Just doesn't look good man. Why you know, 491 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 2: you pardon people, You pardon people in your way out 492 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: of office, and you go, Okay, I feel sad for you. 493 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: I'm giving your part. You don't pardon people in the 494 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 2: middle of it, when they're middle of things, like the 495 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 2: jury's not even out, we don't even know what they did. 496 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: So anyways, very against this, uh Trump pardon. Anyways, you 497 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 2: could tell him outraged. Uh there's another one. A US 498 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 2: federal judge is a little bit dry, but it's intellectual 499 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 2: property granted a preliminary injunction blocking the company open Ai 500 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: from using the name Cameo. They're using they have a 501 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 2: product that they call in their Sora app and they 502 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 2: use cameo, and as you can guess, the celebrity video marketplace, 503 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: Cameo objected and the judge a preliminary injunction was issued. 504 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 2: And do you know what a preliminary injunction is. Well, 505 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you right now when you're trying. 506 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: If you think someone's causing harm by using your trademark, 507 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 2: you file an injunction. You got to stop them right 508 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 2: now because they're harming you and the harm is going 509 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 2: on every day. So the first thing you do is 510 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 2: file for an injunction. Do you try to tell a 511 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 2: judge make them stop that activity that they're using, that 512 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 2: they're doing because it's hurting me every day. Now the 513 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 2: judge looks at it. The other people say, hey, no, 514 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 2: this is we're going to win, so we can't have that. 515 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 2: You can't stop us. So the judge looks at it 516 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 2: and goes, I wonder who's going to win. If it's 517 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: obvious that the defendant is going to win, and this 518 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 2: may be a nuisance lawsuit, the judge says, I'm not 519 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 2: granting an injunction. These guys, you're a past and it's 520 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 2: probably going to come out in the trial that you 521 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 2: are a loser. So I'm not going to give them 522 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 2: an injunction. They can go keep using the Cameo name 523 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 2: in this case what would happen? And then, however, if 524 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 2: the judge says thinks that you know what cameo, you 525 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 2: might win. You've got Cameo. Everybody knows Cameo is a 526 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 2: celebrity video marketplace and this guy's Sora. It's also in 527 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 2: the digital spectrum. Here they're using cameo. Wow, it could 528 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 2: be causing your trademark, which is a valid trademark, irreparable harm. 529 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 2: People think that this Cameo thing in the Sora app 530 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 2: open ai app is affiliated with cameo. The video marketplace, 531 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 2: celebrity video marketplace. I love that celebrity video marketplace is 532 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 2: what that is. Yeah, and you're harming them because people 533 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 2: are going to think, well, I'm going to get involved 534 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 2: with this because it's I mean, it just kind of 535 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 2: dilutes the value of yours. I can't think of a 536 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 2: lot of harm, Like what the harm is going to 537 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 2: be in this one? So I don't think there's I 538 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 2: think the judge, and if I was a judge in 539 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 2: this case, I would say, you know what, OPENII. There's 540 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 2: a lot of words you can use. You don't need 541 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 2: to use cameo. It's already played out. These guys kind 542 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 2: of they were there first in this space. So to 543 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 2: use something else, now, is there a bunch of damages, 544 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 2: like millions of dollars of damages? They would have to 545 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 2: be certain and provable, and you would have to show 546 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 2: me that you really got damaged. How could you show that? 547 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 2: You could show that people aren't signing up for your 548 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 2: service because there they think it's an AI business. Wow, 549 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 2: has proved it to myself. Why there are damages? Now, 550 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 2: if Mark McGrath calls you on your birthday and gives 551 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 2: you a celebrity video birthday greeting, do you believe it's 552 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 2: really him? Well, of course you do, because you see 553 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 2: him on the video. It's him, and you know it 554 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 2: sounds like him, it looks like him. So you're very satisfied, 555 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 2: and then you thank the person and then you get 556 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 2: a cameo video for someone else because it was so wonderful. However, 557 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 2: let's say you get a cameo for someone and they say, yeah, 558 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 2: nice AI fake cameo of Mark McGrath cheese, and you go, no, 559 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 2: that was really Mark McGrath. I paid money. I went 560 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 2: to cameo. No, no, no, Cameo is part of this 561 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 2: AI think Cameo is AI. Cameo is fake. Everybody on 562 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 2: cameo is fake? Now is that that's not true? But 563 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 2: if SOUS starts you using cameo the word the trademarked 564 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 2: word in the celebrity video marketplace space, then yeah, that's harm, 565 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 2: and it's maybe a ripparable harm. So I would have 566 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 2: granted this injunction too, and I might rule in favor 567 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 2: of Cameo and force Sora to change whatever the name 568 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 2: of their thing is, and they might have to pay 569 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 2: damages if Cameo can prove that people were like actually 570 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 2: changing their minds about their celebrity video marketplace, Like maybe 571 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,760 Speaker 2: they took a survey and people said, now it seems 572 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 2: like it's AI because I see that it's affiliated with SORO. 573 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 2: So I don't want to use your platform because it's 574 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 2: it's fake, all right? That makes I don't know. Sometimes 575 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 2: I prove these things to myself and change my own 576 00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 2: mind just in real time. Okay, So what I want 577 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 2: to do or almost done with this segment, but I 578 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 2: want to I want to reiterate Nirvana, the Band, the movie, 579 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 2: the show, Nirvana the Man, the show, the movie. Sorry, Nirvana, 580 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 2: the Band, the Show, the movie. It is the perfect 581 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 2: film for someone who listens to the show, because I 582 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 2: believe you can't be paranoid with your copyright stuff. You can't. 583 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 2: When you see stuff blurred out, et cetera on TV, 584 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 2: it makes me sick, well not sick, it just kind 585 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 2: of gets my eye up. I guess if that's a phrase. 586 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 2: You know, there's just a lot of things that go 587 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 2: on where they just paranoid lawyers and paranoid insurance guys 588 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,479 Speaker 2: and these guys. So this week we just salute Matt 589 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 2: Johnson and Jay what's his name? You gotta jay? Who 590 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 2: are you saluting? Matt Johnson and Jay mccowie or something 591 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 2: like that. Anyway, Jay, I'm gonna find it. Today we 592 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 2: salute Matt Johnson, j McCarroll, True Heroes in the Joe 593 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 2: Escalante Live from Hollywood, Pantheon of Stars on k e 594 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 2: ib AM eleven fifty and now leave you with just 595 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 2: a taste of the greatest song. Every day