1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: The bigger mystery is the guy from Seattle, boy A Mafe, 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: who many have compared to Trey Hendrickson from back in 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. I thought we'd get on somebody who's 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: watched like every snap of his pro career, Dave Softy 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Maler from ninety three to three kjar in Seattle, right 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: before he goes on the air, kind enough to join 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: as Softy. What's up? 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: My god? Is this working? Did I just hear you 9 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: say that people are comparing Boye Mafe to Trey. 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: Hendrick No, no, no, no, no. See from this, from 11 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: this perspective, From this perspective, ohank, God, from this perspective. 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 2: No, I haven't laughed that hard in weeks. Wow. 13 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: Oh trust me, I got I got a lot of 14 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: Bengals takes I can throw you. So when the Bengals 15 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: sign Trey Hendrickson, there was this kind of unknown factor 16 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: right you looked at the numbers. Might not have been 17 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: totally overwhelmed, but they were banking on upside. They were 18 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: banking on somebody who, in a different set of circumstances, 19 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: might be able to explode. Now, is Boye Mafe going 20 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: to lead the league in sacks? Probably? 21 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: Not. 22 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: Is he going to have a bunch of holdouts? God, 23 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: I hope not. But I do think there's compared persons 24 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: based on what Trey was in twenty twenty one where 25 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: it looks like there's a lot of upside, but we're 26 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: still asking questions because it feels like there's still a 27 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: lot of unknowns. 28 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just look, I'll just say this, first of all, great, dude, 29 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: boy A really really good guy not going to be 30 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 2: a problem, you know. I mean all of us have 31 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: had issues with athletes making news for the wrong reasons, 32 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: and I don't think Boye is going to come anywhere 33 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: near that, dude. So you're getting a really good, community, 34 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: team minded guy. That's number one. Number two. I will 35 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 2: tell you this, and I kid you not. This is 36 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: a true story. There was a point in time, about 37 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: halfway through this last Seahawks season, maybe call that week 38 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: nine to ten, whatever, where I turned to Dick Fane, 39 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: who I do the radio show with here in Seattle, 40 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: and I asked him, Dick, does boy A Mafey still 41 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: play here? It's like, is he on the roster? Like 42 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: what is going on with boy A Mafey? Because boy 43 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: A mafe was a guy that we actually thought was 44 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: gonna make we have a little bit of a step. 45 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five under Mike McDonald he had nine sacks, 46 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: and twenty three he had six, and twenty four and 47 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: then kind of went away. But then we kind of 48 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: realized if you watch Mike McDonald's defense, they played kind 49 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 2: of that hybrid three four, right, So guys like Leonard 50 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: Williams Chennanewo Sue. If you have a star like Byron Murphy, 51 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: obviously he's gonna get his sacks, He's gonna eat a 52 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: little bit in the stat sheet. But for the most part, 53 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 2: the edge is about setting the edge, and that's what 54 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: Boye Mafey was doing a lot of here in Seattle. 55 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: So in some ways you kind of wonder if he 56 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: might be better off in a system like Cincinnati. For 57 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: as good as Mike McDonald's defense has been, and it 58 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: is unbelievable, marvelous defense, the scheme is amazing. I do 59 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: wonder if Boye Mafey is gonna flourish somewhere else besides 60 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: playing here in Seattle, in the shadow of guys like 61 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: Byron Murphy, Leonard Williams Chennanewo Sue and even some guys 62 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: in the secondary like Devin Witherspooning, a linebacker like Ernest Jones. 63 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: But I'll admit that I was very surprised, man, when 64 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 2: the number came out, twenty million. 65 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: Dollars a year. 66 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, there's no part of me back 67 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: in October or November that thought that boy Mafe deserved 68 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 2: twenty million dollars a year. 69 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: When the confetti cleared from the Super Bowl parade, did 70 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: you guys assume he was he was gone? He taught 71 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: Was he already being talked about in the past tense? 72 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, because what happens is, and you guys know this, 73 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: when you play for a Super Bowl or you win 74 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: a Super Bowl, everybody's resume looks a little better, right. 75 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: I Mean it's like when the Hawks won it in 76 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, all of a sudden, the Lions came in 77 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: and thought that Golden Tate was the Bee's knees. You know, 78 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: the Dolphins with guys like Byron Maxwell, and all of 79 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: a sudden, they're all getting overpaid. And that's kind of 80 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: what's going on right now. I mean, look, you know, 81 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: Kenny Walker got fifteen million a year from Kansas City 82 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: based on six games right, Like, there was nobody in 83 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: mid December before they played the ram was on Thursday 84 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: night that thought that Kenny Walker was going to get 85 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: fifteen million dollars a year. So once the Hawks won, 86 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: everybody who was a free agent, Kobe Bryant, Josh Job, 87 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,839 Speaker 2: Kenny Walker, Rashid she Head, dude, Mo Rashid she Heat 88 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: didn't even have two hundred yards receiving it in the 89 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 2: nine games he was here in Seattle, and he just 90 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: got seventeen million dollars based on what the guy can 91 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: do on special teams. So yeah, I think the Hawks 92 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: they got six or seven major free agents, and we 93 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: figured maybe they'll get one, maybe two. 94 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: Of them back when he was on the field, right, 95 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: because it felt like, as you kind of outlined the 96 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: story of his twenty twenty five was just wasn't on 97 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: the field nearly enough when he was on the field 98 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: last year, how good was he? 99 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: I just was kind of a supplemental, complimentary guy. I mean, 100 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: this is a team that has a lot of stars 101 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: on it, right, I mean most of those stars were 102 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,799 Speaker 2: created by Mike McDonald, Leonard Williams, Devin Witherspoon, Ernest Jones, 103 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: Byron Murphy, players like that. I mean, there's no first team, 104 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 2: real consensus all pro guy, although big Cat Leonard Williams 105 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: was a first team guy, but outside of him, they 106 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 2: weren't chuck full of you know, all pros. This is 107 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: not the twenty thirteen lob right with Bobby Wagner, Richard Sherman, 108 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: Earl Thomas, and Cam Chancel. The star of the show 109 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: here in Seattle is the scheme, it really is. I 110 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 2: mean it's like they they had a stretch where they 111 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 2: lost three or four guys due to injury starters and 112 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 2: the defense still kicked ass and still was, you know, 113 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: taking people down. So Bollia Mafe was never a part 114 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: of that group. Right, That was the real reason from 115 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 2: a personnel perspective, why these guys were doing well. He 116 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: was always a complimentary guy that it was kind of 117 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 2: like a good baseball umpire man. Nobody really noticed him, 118 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: to be honest with you, you know, I wish I 119 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: could come on the air and tell you more about 120 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: the kind of player he is and how impactful he was. 121 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: Every now and then he'll he'll, you know, pat a 122 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 2: pass down every now and then he'll you know, take 123 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: up a couple of blockers and open up a blitzing 124 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: lane for a guy like Devin Witherspoon, for example. He 125 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: saw a lot of that in the Super Bowl. By way, 126 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: go back and watch that game. But that's what he 127 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: was here in Seattle. He was never a primary guy. 128 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: He was never a guy that they would get after 129 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: the quarterback with. He was never a guy that could 130 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: count on for a consistent pass rush. He was always 131 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: a guy that would do things to set up other 132 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: players to make plays. And I'm wondering Cincinnati has to 133 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 2: see the speed. Obviously, guys fast got some speed, and 134 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: they got to look at him as more than just 135 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: a complimentary guy, because otherwise there's no way they're giving 136 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 2: him twenty millions unless they're stupid. 137 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 1: Well that may be the case. I mean, I spent 138 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: my entire life wondering why the Bengals do so many 139 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: stupid things. But I certainly believe they see the speed 140 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: on the upside. 141 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: By the way, I. 142 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: Appreciate you saying to me when you major comparison to 143 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: the Seahawks and here's what all the players that win, 144 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: he said, Oh you know this, Actually I have no idea. 145 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: I want to be in your shoes one day, so 146 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 1: I know, I don't know, but thanks thanks for playing 147 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: along and pretending that I will. 148 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: You know what it's like, you know what it's like 149 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: to participate in a super Bowl. That's why I said 150 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: play in one or with one. 151 00:06:59,000 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: You know. 152 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: Look, there's a lot lot of people who's faced rubbing 153 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: the dirt in this business and you're not one of them. 154 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 2: But you know what, you also have a world series, 155 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: my friend, and we have no idea what that's all. 156 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: I was in the eighth grade, so it almost doesn't count. 157 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Iam got a you 158 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: Hainio Suarez from you? That's you know, that's kind of 159 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: excited about him. 160 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: No, I was five and a half when the Sonics 161 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: won the NBA title, all right, So the Seahawks winning 162 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen was really my first championship. And yeah, 163 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: getting Geno back, man, I mean, hey, good for you guys. 164 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: I mean, Gino is a phenomenal guy. But they just 165 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: needed to get something more consistent at third base, and 166 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: they've got obviously Brendan Donovan as you know, coming in 167 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: from the from the Cardinals to take Geno's spot. But 168 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: that that home running hit in Game five, man, that 169 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: grand slam to right field. Uh, you know, I wish 170 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: it meant more. I wish it meant you know, a 171 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: trip to the World Series. But at the time, we 172 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: thought that grand slam to right field in Game five 173 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: may have been the biggest hitting Mariner history, and it 174 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: certainly is one of them. But uh, never was able 175 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: to materialize into something bigger and better because the EMS 176 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: went to Toronto and fell apart for two and now. 177 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: Your players are fighting against each other in the World 178 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: Baseball Classic. So it's free. You know what. 179 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: That that whole thing got overblown, but big time. 180 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: By the way up, we'll see I know you've got 181 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: a show to do, man, Thanks so much. 182 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: All right, anytime, guys see it