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Speaker 1: twenty six NFL Combine. We're gonna be on until six

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Speaker 1: thirty tonights, as we have see you men's basketball, looking

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Speaker 1: forward to it. Chopping up a very busy day out

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Speaker 1: here at the NFL Combine. Inside linebackers, defensive lineman edge

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Speaker 1: Rutt Oak this morning. Still a lot of discussion and

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Speaker 1: fallout from what happened yesterday with Sean Payton mentioning not

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Speaker 1: to continue to batter round. We'll hear more sound not

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Speaker 1: James Palmer, Vintie bon Signor, who covers the Raiders. We

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Speaker 1: talked to him a little bit about the first overall pick.

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Speaker 1: What are the Raiders fans thinking about Fernando Mendozo, which

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Speaker 1: used to be the only pick that we absolutely know

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Speaker 1: that's the one we know for certain. There's all sorts

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Speaker 2: I'm doing all right. I'm I'm having a day, having

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been fun. I mean again, it's just one

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Speaker 1: we'll get some actual Broncos news here in a second.

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Speaker 1: You know, you get pulled aside by different people as

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that seems to be people I think outside the

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Speaker 3: I think internally we started to pivot towards that. I

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Speaker 3: But you know, those closest to Sean, even guys like

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Speaker 1: You know for me how it was, and you know

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Speaker 1: going to play that at five thirty to night. That's

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Speaker 1: exactly how you described because he does a show with

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Speaker 1: Chase and he said leading all the way up until that,

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Speaker 2: The benefit of hindsight right right, But even for me,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, talking to people closest to Sean,

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Speaker 3: To say that it's not, but if that is true,

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Speaker 1: I just I'm sitting there. Well, I have no excuse.

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Speaker 1: It's just logic. So but but well you said that,

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Speaker 3: You know, if you need, if I do it for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know that I know that about me.

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Speaker 2: You show a lot of disapproving dad face of everything.

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Speaker 1: But he's telling me anything. But anyways, So I just

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Speaker 2: Who is for my benefit.

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Speaker 1: He could see how tired I was is opting to

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Speaker 1: So the news of the day for the Broncos the

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what to say. I'm like, I don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm all off my game now because that per

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Speaker 1: Nobody does anybody does notice me walking by guy. I

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Speaker 2: So the longtime fans of the show, no big picture,

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Speaker 2: We locked eyes.

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Speaker 1: No, the big picture here is kind of an interesting

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Speaker 3: We retained Vance as the defensive coordinator for now. We'll

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Speaker 2: As long as his the Polsal Sports, there's a long time.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is Sean. This has been Sean Payton's

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Speaker 3: So Davis web ran the offense when he was a

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Speaker 2: You know, Bo's had two full seasons where he's the dude.

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Speaker 1: something too when you think of the face of the franchise,

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Speaker 1: Like right now, the face of the franchise is Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: Like it's been Sean Payton since he took over. At

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Speaker 1: what point would we ever say it would be Bo Nicks.

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Speaker 3: I think we're saying it now. I think this is

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Speaker 3: what we're doing in a real time. We're discovering Bo

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Speaker 3: Nicks has taken over this.

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen maybe after a couple of years there in Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: was the face of the franchise.

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Speaker 3: She's gonna make that example, right, It became Josh Allen's

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Speaker 3: team right around year three, year four, right.

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Speaker 2: And I think the other part of this that you're looking.

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Speaker 3: At is bo Nicks cemented his status as this being

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Speaker 3: his team.

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Speaker 2: When Jared Stidham came in and didn't play the way that.

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Speaker 3: Sean Payton had hyped up that he was gonna play,

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Speaker 3: you think that, well, that's an interesting point.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't considered it.

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Speaker 2: Is there negative ramifications for that.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the thing I think you need to

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Speaker 3: figure out. You know, it's a weird.

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Speaker 2: Question to ask because he's been such a culture builder.

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Speaker 2: Here's right, but you have to ask it, well, what

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Speaker 2: is it you say that you do here.

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Speaker 3: Because you know, as a CEO coach, you kind of

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Speaker 3: have to justify that via winning right. John Harbaugh did

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Speaker 3: it for years as a CEO could by winning right.

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Speaker 3: So you have to win football games, and you've got

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Speaker 3: to win it from both sides of the ball. You

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Speaker 3: gotta be able to win on defense, you got to

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Speaker 3: be able to win on offense, all sides of the ball,

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Speaker 3: special teams as well. I think there's a there's a

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Speaker 3: there's a sort of unfair different expectation on the CEO coach.

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Speaker 3: The barometers strictly said at winning at that point, because

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Speaker 3: you know, as a play caller, you judged on the

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Speaker 3: thing that you're calling the plays on, and so if

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Speaker 3: you know, you go back and look at Sean Payton

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Speaker 3: and you go back and look.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because he mentioned.

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Speaker 3: Himself when he got hurt and Pete Carmicle had to

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Speaker 3: come in a call play and all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: Drew Brees was having the best numbers of his life.

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Speaker 2: When Sean Pate was suspended and Drew Brees.

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Speaker 3: Came out and the Peyton came back the next year,

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Speaker 3: they didn't match the numbers that he put up in

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Speaker 3: that gap year for like four years. So you know,

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Speaker 3: I would suggest that, you know, if Davis Webb comes

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Speaker 3: in and you know, puts his foot on the gas

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Speaker 3: and the accelerator, then all of a sudden you're asking yourself, well,

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Speaker 3: was Sean Payton holding this thing back? Which is unfair,

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Speaker 3: but you get the idea here, So I think I

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Speaker 3: think at the end of the day, you know, you

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Speaker 3: have to judge Sean Payton on the overall picture of

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Speaker 3: what the Broncos would become. You know, he did elevate

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Speaker 3: the culture around here. He has made them a better

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Speaker 3: football team. They are a winner now, but the question

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Speaker 3: is can he get them to the Promised Land? And

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Speaker 3: I harken back to a comparison I made that everybody

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Speaker 3: hates that they're.

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Speaker 2: Still come around on is you know, is he the

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Speaker 2: John Fox guy?

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Speaker 3: The guy who makes you, who absolutely gives you credibility,

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Speaker 3: makes you a contender, a culture build er, that kind

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Speaker 3: of thing but he's not the guy that can get

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Speaker 3: you the Promised Land, and that that question remains to

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Speaker 3: be seen.

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Speaker 1: All right, five six six nine zero. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people give me a hard time for not wanting to

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Speaker 1: go out, and I listen, I don't know what you expected.

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Speaker 1: I guess there are people that would spend a lot

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Speaker 1: of radio time talking about all the cool people they

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Speaker 1: run into out of bars. That's just not who I am.

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Speaker 1: But I'm trying to give you guys a good show

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Speaker 1: either every day. Plus I'm down here at the press

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Speaker 1: conferences talking to the prospects for you guys. But anyways,

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Speaker 1: we'll come back to all that. But we have Ian

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Speaker 1: Rappaport joining us on the other side. His reaction to

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Speaker 1: the Davis web news. He'd been saying wild that he

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Speaker 1: thought this was gonna happen. We'll hear from that next

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Speaker 1: as we're live from Indianapolis the twenty twenty six NFL

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Speaker 1: Combine on KAWA from the twenty twenty six NFL Combine

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Speaker 1: here in Indianapolis. We are on radio row from now

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Speaker 1: until are you all right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Just we're all out on my second there? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean you can you can adjust things, right,

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Speaker 1: there which direction is lower? Okay, yeah, you must have

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Speaker 1: bumped it there. Here we go that much better? Is

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Speaker 1: that a little bit? You just want to make sure

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Speaker 1: he's screaming at me, Dad, there's not enough. I keep

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Speaker 1: making faces at you and then uh yeah, just then

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Speaker 1: you got rolled out.

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Speaker 2: Now you're good. Yeah, we're okay there, thanks right, like

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Speaker 2: yours are bleeding well? That devil music you listened to?

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Speaker 2: Is that what that is? Yeah? Yeah, is that Dave

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Speaker 2: Matthew Matthews band?

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Speaker 1: That was If you thought that was Dave Matthews, I

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Speaker 1: have something to tell you. But anyways, we're alive here

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Speaker 1: from the combine here on Radio Row.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be here till listened.

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Speaker 1: Nine eight, six thirty eight thirty our time, Eastern time.

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Speaker 2: Six thirty local time there thirty local mountain crowd.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Get into this interesting story about the NFL refs.

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Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on that here in

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Speaker 1: a second. But we had a chance to catch up

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Speaker 1: with Ian Rappaport earlier. We'll be putting on social media

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Speaker 1: videos of a lot of these interviews coming up here

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Speaker 1: over the next couple of days. But started out by

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Speaker 1: asking Ian, of course he had him on Monday. But

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Speaker 1: now we have new information. Davis Webb's gonna be calling place.

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Speaker 1: I asked him about that and what was reaction to it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think something that makes a lot

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Speaker 5: of sense, something i've you know, probably thought was coming.

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Speaker 2: Since he decided to stay and look for years.

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Speaker 5: You know, this is not why he decided to stay,

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Speaker 5: but he had Davis whobb An unbelievable leverage.

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Speaker 2: He had a lot of interest.

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Speaker 5: Could have been offensive coordinator at a lot of places.

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Speaker 5: And I certainly wonder, you know, if he had really,

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Speaker 5: really really pursued it and stayed in could could he

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Speaker 5: be a head coach somewhere. I think he will be eventually.

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Speaker 5: So I think, you know, Sean Payton billing willing to

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Speaker 5: give up play calling for the betterment of the team

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Speaker 5: to keep the guy that he wants his offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 5: It makes a lot of sense. And you know what

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Speaker 5: I believe a lot of the play calling head coaches

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Speaker 5: want is to have someone they trust where they could say,

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Speaker 5: you know what I want, you know, the way I

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Speaker 5: want to run this.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give this to you.

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Speaker 5: So I could be more of the CEO type coach,

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Speaker 5: but I trust you to call plays, and we saw

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Speaker 5: Dave Canalis do it too. This is what play callers want,

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Speaker 5: I believe.

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Speaker 2: I think Sean Payton made a really interesting choice on

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Speaker 2: the other side of the ball.

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Speaker 3: Well, you surprised me as Joseph didn't get a head

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Speaker 3: coaching job unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know about surprise. That's sort of

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Speaker 2: the world, you know. I wish he would have.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think he'll be a great head coach

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Speaker 5: when he gets one. Obviously it's good for the Broncos

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Speaker 5: to keep him. But Evan Joseph's ready to be a

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Speaker 5: head coach again.

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Speaker 2: I think he is. Whatever he needed to prove, he proved.

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Speaker 5: I mean they you know, as a head coach with

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Speaker 5: the Broncos, you know, I you know, the quarterback situation

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Speaker 5: that he inherited. You know what John Elway was like

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Speaker 5: at the time. Not an easy situation to come win.

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Speaker 5: So I think he's ready to be a head coach again.

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Speaker 5: I hope with another year as a great coordinator for

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Speaker 5: the Broncos, he'll be He'll get it next year. But

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Speaker 5: you know, obviously helps the organization ham around, no doubts.

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Speaker 1: On a buzz around Milik Willis Tyson Bagents all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden as well some of the other quarterbacks. What

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Speaker 1: do we see any Dalton? Some rumors flying around about

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Speaker 1: me with Carroll, So what do you hear about some

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Speaker 1: of these other quarterbacks and maybe how they might be

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Speaker 1: on the move.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think that's what this sort of

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Speaker 5: cre agency is going to be about, is where all

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Speaker 5: the quarterbacks going. And you know, in a way that

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Speaker 5: we almost never have. We could have four or maybe

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Speaker 5: five quarterbacks. We're starting caliber quarterbacks who have experienced starting

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Speaker 5: for a long time, available for almost nothing. Like I

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Speaker 5: remember when it was Russ and everyone's like, can you

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Speaker 5: believe that during quarterbacks available for a million bucks? That's

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Speaker 5: what it's going to be like for like five guys,

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Speaker 5: you know, Like it'll be to ylu Kyler, It'll be

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Speaker 5: potentially Kirk Cousins, It'll be potentially justin fields you know Smith.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a lot of guys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And so that quarterback carousel is going to go

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Speaker 5: a long way and shape you well the next couple

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Speaker 5: of weeks.

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Speaker 3: So like the last one for me, running back market

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Speaker 3: the Broncos JK.

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Speaker 2: Dobbins, you know, he's free agent. They're still looking for

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Speaker 2: somebody in that room where they go.

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Speaker 3: Back to JK or not Travis Atien out there, maybe

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Speaker 3: maybe a trade for David Montgomery. Do you see any

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Speaker 3: other running backs out there that could be in the

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Speaker 3: Broncos viewpoint?

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Speaker 5: I mean, David Montgomery trade makes sense. I don't know

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Speaker 5: if it's the Broncos or not, but I think that

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Speaker 5: certainly makes sense.

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Speaker 2: You know, bringing JK.

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Speaker 5: Dobbins back, assuming you could find the right number, makes

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Speaker 5: a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's healthy, he's a good guy.

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Speaker 5: He showed what you can do, fought to come back

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Speaker 5: at the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how.

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Speaker 5: Realistic that was, but he's healthy now and really pushed it,

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Speaker 5: you know, unless they were just like we want something different.

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Speaker 5: That to me, assuming you could find the right number

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Speaker 5: makes a lot of sense. And that's you know, those

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Speaker 5: two guys. That's a pretty good running back for real.

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Speaker 1: All's he in a rap report and again we'll get

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Speaker 1: the interview up a Kway Colorado dot Com about an

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Speaker 1: hour from now. We'll hear from our good friend Vinnie

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Speaker 1: bunsen Yor who covers the Raiders on the first overall pick.

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Speaker 1: Are they set? Ranana Mendoza we'll get to that coming

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Speaker 1: up here in just a little bit very quickly. Following

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Speaker 1: up there on the running back, he did say that

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Speaker 1: the David Montgomery trade idea would make some sense. He

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Speaker 1: didn't go as far to say that he expects him

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Speaker 1: to be a cap casualty or guy that they move

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Speaker 1: on from. What are you hearing with David Montgomery?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 2: I think he's very much up for trade as far

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Speaker 2: as that kind of stuff goes. What do you think

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Speaker 2: he goes for?

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Speaker 3: That's the question, you know. I don't think it'd be

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Speaker 3: a whole heck of a lot. I think it'd be

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Speaker 3: one of those kind of conditional type deals. They to

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Speaker 3: get the money off their books.

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Speaker 2: And uh, and then you turn.

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Speaker 3: Around and look at you know, in terms of compensation

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Speaker 3: Day three pick, they might have conditions at bumping up

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Speaker 3: a little maybe to a late day two something like that.

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Speaker 3: But I think you could get that for a fifth

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Speaker 3: round or I don't think that's gonna be you know, prohibitively, would.

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Speaker 5: You do that?

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Speaker 1: I guess rank them moves that you would like to

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Speaker 1: see the Broncos do a running back?

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Speaker 3: Well, all things being equal, I would like to see

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Speaker 3: both acquisitions. I'd like to see at the end and

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Speaker 3: my comery, I'm not sure that's super doable. I don't

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Speaker 3: like trading draft capital if we can possibly avoid it.

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Speaker 3: But in this particular situation, you've got several ties. For

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Speaker 3: David Montgomery, John Morton of course, of the office coordinator

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Speaker 3: up there with the Lions last year, our running backs

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Speaker 3: coach coached him in college. Kyle Kemps also was coaching

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Speaker 3: on that coaching staff in college when he was there

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Speaker 3: at I was State.

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Speaker 2: There are ties there, so i'd love to see.

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Speaker 3: You know, you could a fifth for for Dave Mincomery,

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Speaker 3: I'll be fine with that, and then you go sign

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Speaker 3: at the end, you know, if you could do that,

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Speaker 3: if you can, if you can work that.

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Speaker 2: Room to where you got those hard V plus those

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Speaker 2: two guys.

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Speaker 3: And you know, the first down as you're down short yardage,

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Speaker 3: and first down as you're down, Travis at the end,

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Speaker 3: third down as you're down RJ, second down as you're down,

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Speaker 3: you own this.

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Speaker 2: This is how we're doing things, you know.

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Speaker 3: But with Davis Webern on the show, I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: you know at that point you probably because the air

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Speaker 3: rate tends to run on a two back set, right

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Speaker 3: you run the power back for short yardage.

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Speaker 2: And stuff like that, and then you run.

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Speaker 3: Most of the time, you got a pass catcher out there,

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Speaker 3: because every time you come into the line, it's either

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Speaker 3: light box or you're throwing. So RJ would seem to

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Speaker 3: take that role. So you know, it really just depends

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Speaker 3: on how this offense is gonna be structured, on what

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Speaker 3: Davis web wants to do. But I think all things

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Speaker 3: being equal, over the last couple of years, i'd love

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Speaker 3: to see all three.

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Speaker 2: Of them back there. All right, we'll come back.

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Speaker 1: There's a news for wyd Cushion Barry. You just got

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Speaker 1: released Tendency Titans, so former Broncos center, and we'll speculat

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Speaker 1: on where he might end up going. Plus is a

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Speaker 1: story about the the refs that I want to get

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Speaker 1: to with you, some of the things we're here and

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Speaker 1: out here at the NFL Combine and acluding the reaction

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Speaker 1: to the Broncos and Sean Payton's announcement yesterday that Davis

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Speaker 1: Webb is going to call plays for this upcoming season

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Speaker 1: five six, six ninety zero is our Kaiwak Comma Spirit

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Speaker 1: Health text line, So that's going to come up here

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Speaker 1: at the top of the hour, we'll hear from our

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Speaker 1: guy Vinnie bonzandor at four point thirty the Raiders picking

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Speaker 1: first overall our fans feeling about the quarterback that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be drafted for. Nanna Mendozo get to that as well.

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Speaker 1: Lloyd Cushionberry released from the Tennessee Titans. Of course, I

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Speaker 1: spent four years here with the Denver Broncos, was the

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Speaker 1: highest paid center when he got that contract with the

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. Only played in eight games his first year.

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Speaker 1: He played in I think sixteen last year. So yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess at a total of twenty three over the last

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Speaker 1: two years, so so fifteen last year. So what first

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Speaker 1: of all that surprise you all, I mean, the only

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Speaker 1: two years into this deal.

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Speaker 3: No, on the one hand, it's a cost cutting move.

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Speaker 3: On the other, he got outplayed by the backup center

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Speaker 3: when when he got in. You know, Lloyd's had some

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Speaker 3: issues with injury and things like that. Hasn't exactly been right,

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Speaker 3: and I would not be surprised to see him laying

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Speaker 3: on his fet pretty quickly. There's the big a couple

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Speaker 3: of couple of suitors out there, I believe Cincinnati and

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Speaker 3: the and the New York Giants would both be looking

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Speaker 3: at possibly at adding him. Cincinnati would reinnite him right

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Speaker 3: next to Adulton Reiser.

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Speaker 1: Oh how about that? There you go. Yeah, and somebody

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Speaker 1: asks if the Broncos have interest. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: that's really the direction they're going to go to. Just

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Speaker 1: just paid Luke Wattenberg. I mean, at this point, unless

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Speaker 1: you believe it, Lloyd Kusherberry could be a left guard

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Speaker 1: for you. At this point, I more or less think

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Speaker 1: that they're gonna go with Alex Pelzewski there. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying it's completely done for empowers, but that feels like

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Speaker 1: the writing's on the wall there.

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Speaker 3: Yeahs, I would suggest that that would be the way

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Speaker 3: they would go.

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Speaker 2: There's no reunion happening with the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 1: The other story I wanted to get to here before

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Speaker 1: we get the top of the hour. So the NFL

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Speaker 1: is considering centralizing officiating functions if there is a work

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Speaker 1: stop as Yeah, you're smiling, because I do think this

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Speaker 1: is a little bit of a negotiating employ but yeah,

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Speaker 1: exactly so that but to announce that, because of course,

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Speaker 1: you know, we remember the fail Mary we went with

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Speaker 1: backup reps. It was an abject disaster. So you know,

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Speaker 1: the NFL reps are saying, well, you're not gonna do

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Speaker 1: that again, and the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Says, watch us, we'll do it.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna have central command letting these backup refs

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Speaker 1: know this is what the call is, and this is

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Speaker 1: what it is that you're just gonna have a little

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Speaker 1: more control in the process, or at least threatened to that.

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Speaker 1: Is that all this is, is that just them saying

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Speaker 1: that other land, how much do we even hate the

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Speaker 1: idea of centralized officiating.

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Speaker 3: That's the other part of the suits the same I

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Speaker 3: say the league money because given where this thing is

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Speaker 3: headed with the officials themselves, where you're going to have

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Speaker 3: to make them full time and it's been hitting that

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Speaker 3: way a long time.

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Speaker 2: This is a cost cutting potentially even better officiated in

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Speaker 2: some ways. That's one way to do things. We'll see

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Speaker 2: how that is that there's something I.

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Speaker 3: Think there's something to be said for having someone there

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Speaker 3: on the field explaining that, especially if good coaches can

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Speaker 3: bring concerns to things like that. But on the flip

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Speaker 3: side of this, again, the NFL has a problem and

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Speaker 3: they've got to correct it because you're in bed with

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Speaker 3: the sports books, millions of dollars can change hands on

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Speaker 3: some of these calls, and it can You cannot have

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Speaker 3: people wagering on this, raking billions of dollars as a league.

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Speaker 3: While people are looking at this say wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: I don't like that. You know, this call looks like

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Speaker 3: it's rigged. This ref always calls wings this way for

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Speaker 3: this team, and that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Can't have that, can't. So in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 1: centralized officiating might actually be a bit of an answer,

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Speaker 1: even if it is just kind of a bluff out

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Speaker 1: there by the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a I think it's a bluff,

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Speaker 3: but it's also a toe in the water, if that

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Speaker 3: makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Wait, which is such a typical NFL thing to do?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, league, I know how they are.

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Speaker 1: I just love this league for that reason.

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Speaker 2: They flow something like this out.

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Speaker 1: There just as a you know, hey, well let's see.

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Speaker 2: What people say about this idea. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean you absolutely have to still have refs on

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Speaker 1: the field, right, I mean spotting the ball certainly calls

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Speaker 1: in real time, especially the obvious ones that all makes sense,

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Speaker 1: but on the critical ones, on ones that are close,

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Speaker 1: bang bang, fifty to fifty kind of I mean centralized officiating.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Again, it just sort of feels like the NFL's checking

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Speaker 1: in on everybody. Just well, we think refs are important,

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Speaker 1: we know refs are important.

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Speaker 2: But are you saying all refs matter?

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Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying. I mean, no, I I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying.

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Speaker 2: Actually, actually, I'm gonna put you in a pretzel here. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you are, you are?

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Speaker 5: You are?

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Speaker 1: Also my brain is fried. No, I'm kind of on

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Speaker 1: board with this idea. So what's that? What the NFL's

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Speaker 1: got me that once in a while to float the

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Speaker 1: stuff out. I'm like that, it's so dumb. That is

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Speaker 1: not happening.

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Speaker 2: But if it wasn't, what if it is?

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Speaker 3: What if it could he pulled a you pulled a

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Speaker 3: grinder there a little bit, But what if it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Well, I expect something to get done with the NFL

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Speaker 1: and the the refs. I mean, that's that's probably going

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Speaker 1: to happen. But you said, even if you get that

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Speaker 1: deal done, it doesn't fix anything. Now because I got

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Speaker 1: you here, full time refs, everybody seems to want that.

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Speaker 1: How does that fix the officiating issues?

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Speaker 3: Well, you can change some of the standards by which

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Speaker 3: you know, what you evaluate by which you as the

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Speaker 3: contract employees that they are right now, there's certain things

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Speaker 3: you can't can't do with labor laws, right, So there's

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Speaker 3: certain benchmarks that you can have in order to keep,

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Speaker 3: retain and or dismiss referees, and certain standards that you

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Speaker 3: can hold them to as a full time employee versus

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Speaker 3: contract employee that you can't. So you know, and I

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Speaker 3: also think the full time employee allows for.

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Speaker 2: Full time training.

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Speaker 3: Right A lot of these guys at are referees right

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Speaker 3: now are lawyers during the week and then.

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Speaker 2: They turn around to become referees on the weekend. And so,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think and it's not that those guys

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Speaker 2: aren't doing a good job. I think most of them do.

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Speaker 2: There's something that don't. But I think that the league

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Speaker 2: has a problem, and it's a credibility issue.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, you can't have any

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Speaker 3: doubt that what you're putting on, the product that you're

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Speaker 3: putting out of people going to wager on.

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Speaker 2: It, cannot be rigged, and.

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Speaker 1: Right now that that confidence is lower than ever five

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Speaker 1: six six nine zero Our kai commas spurreal text line,

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Speaker 1: we get back into a little bit of a conversation

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Speaker 1: about the Broncos. Davis Webb got a bunch of texts

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Speaker 1: on our KOA Commas Sparreal text line asking us specific

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Speaker 1: questions about what the offense will look like.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: Next is red line from Radio Row here in Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: at the twenty twenty six NFL Combine on KOA