Speaker 1: Do you want to be in a Mexican idiot?
Speaker 2: All right, here we go on this very interesting Thursday morning.
Speaker 2: We got lots of go on, a lot of moving
Speaker 2: parts today. First and foremost, of course, what's happening in
Speaker 2: Minnesota as we speak right now with a protest going on.
Speaker 2: Of course, the ice agent shooting a thirty seven year
Speaker 2: old individual during a stop, and we still don't know
Speaker 2: all the working pieces and what actually happened and what
Speaker 2: really transpired. Of course we want know that for some time.
Speaker 2: But the rush to judgment on this whole thing by
Speaker 2: both the left and the right has been incredible. Getting
Speaker 2: too this more after nine thirty five here on the
Speaker 2: Scotsland Show on seven hundred WLW, I wanted to circle
Speaker 2: back though, kind of handle some old business here, something
Speaker 2: that happened over the holidays. And typically that's the way
Speaker 2: things are set up. When you want to do something
Speaker 2: that's controversial or will upset the appal kart so to speak,
Speaker 2: you tend to do it like on a Friday, a weekend.
Speaker 2: You do it when many people aren't paying attention. I
Speaker 2: would say doing it a Friday when it's the holidays
Speaker 2: is not going to as much attention as it should.
Speaker 2: I'm talking, of course, about what happened to the CBD
Speaker 2: infused beverage ban that Mike de Wine single Bagley took
Speaker 2: his line out of Veto powers and killed an entire industry.
Speaker 2: And this, of course, are beverages that are sold or
Speaker 2: sold anywhein Ohio that contained THC small amounts of it too,
Speaker 2: derived of course from CBD, and a lot of people said, hey,
Speaker 2: this is pretty good. We're taking this product, and technically
Speaker 2: it was, yes, a loophole, but a whole industry started
Speaker 2: in what used to be the craft brew industry, and
Speaker 2: a lot of puerveyors were switching over and saying, hey,
Speaker 2: there's a market for this product here. People clearly like it.
Speaker 2: They want more of it, they demanded. And yet the governor,
Speaker 2: in some sort of I don't know what, self righteousness
Speaker 2: or knowing better and being in the Naty State killed
Speaker 2: this whole thing. Joining the show this morning on seven
Speaker 2: hundred WLW is the CEO of Ryan Geisberg right here
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, Adam Bankovic, Adam, good morning, Welcome.
Speaker 3: Good morning, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've talked about a lot this with Steve Hoffman.
Speaker 2: Of course, you know Steve as well, and talk to
Speaker 2: other industry leaders like yourself, Adam, and as far as
Speaker 2: you're concern from Ryan Guis's perspective here, because you guys
Speaker 2: are first and foremost the biggest pure veyors of micro
Speaker 2: brief you want to call the micro brew at this point,
Speaker 2: it's probably not the missing seeming how you've grown over
Speaker 2: the last few years that that's entirely accurate. But how
Speaker 2: much of this is impacting your business or will this
Speaker 2: impact your business?
Speaker 3: Sure, absolutely happy to talk about that. I would very
Speaker 3: much still classify as the craft brew or the Brew's
Speaker 3: Association definition put this squarely in there. In the craft
Speaker 3: beer industry, while it's grown rapidly over the past few years,
Speaker 3: to your point, has started to slow and cool off dramatically.
Speaker 3: Specifically within the state of Ohio. For the past year,
Speaker 3: craft beer as a category has been down around eight
Speaker 3: to nine percent. And it's not the first year we've
Speaker 3: seen the climb in the craft beer industry. So, as
Speaker 3: you pointed out, this is an emerging segment that we've
Speaker 3: seen grow rapidly across the country and becoming a real
Speaker 3: part of the marketplace here in Ohio. More recently so,
Speaker 3: Ryan Geist, among many other crap breweries in the state
Speaker 3: of Ohio have looked to it as we know that
Speaker 3: we've got lots of consumers in the marketplace that are
Speaker 3: asking for these beverages and wanting these beverages, and very clearly,
Speaker 3: not only do those consumers want those, but crap breweries
Speaker 3: are very well set up and established to be able
Speaker 3: to produce them safely, responsibly, and effectively, which is something
Speaker 3: that we're huge advocates for that there is smart, responsible
Speaker 3: regulation of this industry, of this marketplace, of these beverages
Speaker 3: to make sure that we're clearly communicating to customers what
Speaker 3: they are, they are only being served to adults twenty
Speaker 3: one and up, and that there's clear regulation in place
Speaker 3: promoting all of that, which is what the Ohio General
Speaker 3: Assembly and Steve Huffman worked so tirelessly on, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: a very great job with SB fifty six creating clear,
Speaker 3: responsible regulation, and that's what changed when Governor DeWine chose
Speaker 3: to line at in veto specifically the intoxicating beverage section
Speaker 3: of SB fify.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know there are some other craft brewers
Speaker 2: that are leaning into this more heavily than others. Have
Speaker 2: as well, and you know it makes me sad because
Speaker 2: you know, you talk to people and are like, wow,
Speaker 2: I really like this stuff. You mentioned how the craft
Speaker 2: beer segment itself and craft beer is declining, and we're
Speaker 2: seeing a rapid as you know, gen zers coming along
Speaker 2: and they're just not drinking at the rates. Older millennials
Speaker 2: and certainly Gen xers like myself and baby boomers who
Speaker 2: are older, are consuming alcohol to the point where we've
Speaker 2: had a I was just talking about this yesterday, Gallop,
Speaker 2: a ninety year low. As far as alcohol consumption goes,
Speaker 2: it's incredible. And yet I think that's also true because
Speaker 2: there are so many options in order to well self
Speaker 2: medicate if you or make yourself feel better. I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people that enjoy the THHC slash CBD
Speaker 2: and fused beverages and go. You know what I don't
Speaker 2: feel is maybe as bloated, I don't feel as I
Speaker 2: feel different the next day. I feel actually feel better
Speaker 2: than I do after drinking alcohol, and people are moving
Speaker 2: towards that. Why not satisfy that sector because that's just true.
Speaker 2: Do you have someone to tell us so heavily invested
Speaker 2: in in graft.
Speaker 3: Room, Yeah, the thing I'd like to point out there
Speaker 3: that you mentioned is the beverage category as a whole
Speaker 3: has faced or has realized a lot of diversity, and
Speaker 3: that can be nontoxicating beverages to you name it. And
Speaker 3: really it's the prevalence of choice that the younger generation,
Speaker 3: to your point, has grown up with, and now that
Speaker 3: they're of legal drinking age, they're continuing to experience thingsplore that.
Speaker 3: But I'd also point out that everything that we're seeing
Speaker 3: and learning, it's not only the younger generation that are
Speaker 3: interested in the intoxicating HEMP beverages. It's really expanning all
Speaker 3: demographics as everyone's just enjoying the benefits of these low
Speaker 3: test beverages. It'd be really clear when I'm talking about
Speaker 3: the benefits, we are not advertising or marketing these as
Speaker 3: healthy alternatives to alcohol. We're speaking about anecdotes we receive
Speaker 3: from doing consumer studies and panels and talking to those
Speaker 3: that are participating this beverage category. And I think that's
Speaker 3: a really important point that this entire industry is aware
Speaker 3: and acknowledging of, and SB fifty six is also doing
Speaker 3: a good job making sure that there's no unproven health
Speaker 3: claims on packaging as an example, because it's important. Just
Speaker 3: like alcohol is regulated, and I'm not trying to draw
Speaker 3: a direct parallel or make these categories analogous, but there's
Speaker 3: queer governing rules for alcohol and what you can and
Speaker 3: can't do and say about benefits or lack there or
Speaker 3: lack there of of known benefits and alcohol, and that
Speaker 3: makes sense, and it is logical, and a lot of
Speaker 3: regulation and guidelines can and should exist in the intoxicating
Speaker 3: beverage category as well to make sure that we're communicating
Speaker 3: responsibly and effectively to consumers. So when I'm talking about
Speaker 3: those who are choosing to drink less alcohol or abstain
Speaker 3: from alcohol entirely, and maybe they are finding great use
Speaker 3: in the intoxicating that beverage category, we're talking about anecdotes
Speaker 3: and real consumer feedback on learning what they're looking for
Speaker 3: and why they're looking for it, and that's really really different.
Speaker 3: I want to make it really clear that I have
Speaker 3: not seen any actors in the state of Ohio. Certainly
Speaker 3: our intent to falsely advertiser represents these products, but at
Speaker 3: the same time, we do know why the consumers are
Speaker 3: turning to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and it makes a lot of sense, and
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a big believer, propared owner of giving
Speaker 2: the people what they want. And not only that, you know,
Speaker 2: it's seemingly grossly unfair to yourself and other peer veyors, Adam,
Speaker 2: that you invested a lot in that technology and infrastructure
Speaker 2: to ramp this up, only to have that karpo pulled
Speaker 2: off from und you has the Dwine administration Mike Dwine
Speaker 2: himself addressed this to your satisfaction and yeah, I've talked
Speaker 2: to lawmakers like Steve Hoffman and others, and there's seemingly
Speaker 2: no answer for the line I'm as to why he
Speaker 2: struck this down. Are you getting satisfactory responses from him?
Speaker 2: Is what the reasoning was?
Speaker 3: You know, we're still looking for it. And to be clear,
Speaker 3: we do respect the governor's role and what we're advocating
Speaker 3: for here is clarity and consistency going forward. And we
Speaker 3: spent a lot of time working with the High General
Speaker 3: Assembly and feel like they took all you know, proponents
Speaker 3: and opponents of this issue in the consideration in crafting
Speaker 3: SP fifty six. So yes, it was very disruptive and
Speaker 3: shocking when the line Adam Vita specific just toe in
Speaker 3: toxicating hemp beverages was introduced and signed all at once,
Speaker 3: and so we're still to your point when we open
Speaker 3: the segments that was right around the holidays, and we're
Speaker 3: all as an industry collectively, and I'm talking about manufacturers
Speaker 3: to distributors to retailers, all of us, which are the
Speaker 3: three tiers of the system here to get this out
Speaker 3: to market. We're still kind of gathering and understanding exactly
Speaker 3: what happened and what can be done about it so
Speaker 3: that all the investments that have been made can be
Speaker 3: sustained going forward, and honestly, more importantly, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: this is also about supporting Ohio business and making Ohio
Speaker 3: business competitive with other state manufacturers or even national companies
Speaker 3: who are finding great success with these beverages and states
Speaker 3: that have created very smart, very responsible regulation. And I
Speaker 3: think the General Assembly was doing a great job looking
Speaker 3: at what other states have done, who were ahead of
Speaker 3: the curve in this category than we were, and trying
Speaker 3: to get to Ohio up the speed because there's other
Speaker 3: commentary happening where federally. In November of twenty twenty six,
Speaker 3: not only will intoxicating hemp no longer be allowed which
Speaker 3: was passed as part of the reopening of the federal
Speaker 3: governm in the Appropriations bill related to Partment of Agriculture,
Speaker 3: but also CBD beverages and CBD products are also going
Speaker 3: to be limited in November of twenty twenty six. And
Speaker 3: that's an even larger category than the intoxicating hemp, CBD
Speaker 3: being a cannabinoid from the same plant that is now
Speaker 3: intoxicating and lots of people turn to for health benefits.
Speaker 3: So really, what Ohio, in my opinion, should be doing
Speaker 3: is using the smart responsible regulation from Sub sixty six
Speaker 3: to allow Ohio business to continue to prosper. And then
Speaker 3: in SB fifty six there was also a consideration acknowledging
Speaker 3: that when the federal government provides more clarity prior to
Speaker 3: November twenty twenty six, Ohio will look at that and
Speaker 3: then adapt as necessary. Whereas right now we're in a
Speaker 3: situation that the industry will have to shut down in
Speaker 3: March if nothing changes, and that will leave Ohio businesses
Speaker 3: behind other states who continue to regulate and support this marketplace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we want no one suggesting that companies
Speaker 2: like yourself say there's no regulation. Of course, there should
Speaker 2: be regulation. Health health departments oversee you. There's you know,
Speaker 2: all sorts of regulation has involved in that industry as well.
Speaker 2: Should be if you're infusing something with cannabinoids. Okay, I
Speaker 2: get that, But to simply strike it and say we're
Speaker 2: not doing this anymore is rather insane because you know,
Speaker 2: one may say, well, are you getting you know it
Speaker 2: is the wine getting lobby money from big alcohol? Well probably,
Speaker 2: I don't know, because it's you know, if people aren't
Speaker 2: consuming the product like they once did, and there's all
Speaker 2: their alternatives out there. You mentioned non alcoholics Adam Bankovich
Speaker 2: from ryan Geist that you know, that's another big sector
Speaker 2: right there. Mocktails are huge right now. Nan alcohol beers
Speaker 2: are fantastics. I've tried many of them, and it's certainly
Speaker 2: not like the when Oduel's rolled out back in the day,
Speaker 2: it was it didn't taste very good. Now they taste really,
Speaker 2: really good, and so there's a lot of diversity in
Speaker 2: those products that you offer as well. But simply banning
Speaker 2: entire sector here doesn't seem to be a good idea
Speaker 2: because people are going to people demand it, but they're
Speaker 2: going to find a different alternative to this, which might
Speaker 2: be even more dangerous. Which is is the scary part.
Speaker 2: Is there a hope that legislatively speaking, this is not dead.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, We've been working almost every day, honestly, including over
Speaker 3: the holiday break. We again being kind of this collective industry,
Speaker 3: and not just craft brewers in Ohio specifically, but again
Speaker 3: the distributors and retailers also. So there's already a referendum
Speaker 3: that's been submitted, and so that effort is ongoing. It's
Speaker 3: been turned in in my understanding, already to Franklin Rose,
Speaker 3: the Secretary of State and Devostate Attorney General, and so
Speaker 3: that timeline is that they need to review the referendum
Speaker 3: agic was submitted by January thirteenth, to approve the signatures
Speaker 3: and verify it. And if and when that happens on
Speaker 3: the thirteenth, then the deadline becomes a date in March
Speaker 3: to be named where two hundred and forty eight thousand,
Speaker 3: ninety two signatures would be needed across the eight counties
Speaker 3: of Ohio, and there's a certain number needed within forty
Speaker 3: four of the eighty eight counties. And if that referendum
Speaker 3: were to pass and be approved, then this issue would
Speaker 3: actually end up on the November ballot and voters would
Speaker 3: decide what they want to happen. Separately from that, we're
Speaker 3: also having conversations with the General Assembly as we did
Speaker 3: as they were crafting SD fifty six. Lots of members
Speaker 3: on all sides, both political parties, House and Senate have
Speaker 3: been listening, which is really really encouraging, and I've been
Speaker 3: very appreciative of all those efforts. So we're still talking
Speaker 3: to them to see if there's any interest within the
Speaker 3: General Assembly on a legislative override, but that would require
Speaker 3: a two thirds fote approval in both the House and
Speaker 3: the Senates, and those conversations aroundgoing, I'm not sure if
Speaker 3: there's enough interest there or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as upset as I am, and even you more
Speaker 2: so about this whole thing, I think there's hope. And
Speaker 2: since you've got a lame duck governor, you've got to
Speaker 2: do administration coming in, and I think they're going to
Speaker 2: set the record straight because clearly there's a mindset in
Speaker 2: Ohio that, hey, we've been using these products responsibly. People
Speaker 2: clearly enjoy them, the market, the sectors growing. Why would
Speaker 2: you try to take that away, especially if you're someone
Speaker 2: who allegedly is pro small business in business growth, why
Speaker 2: would you limit that it doesn't make much sense. Adam
Speaker 2: Bakovich is the CEO of Guys, joining the show this
Speaker 2: morning with Sloani here on seven hundred WLW. Kind of revisiting.
Speaker 2: We'll get in the Minnesota stuff on this a little
Speaker 2: bit different topic entirely obviously, but this is something that
Speaker 2: happened over the holidays, and generally when stuff happens over
Speaker 2: the holidays or a weekend, it's something that you know,
Speaker 2: the establishment really doesn't want you to know about. They
Speaker 2: kind of downplay it. It's a huge issue because so
Speaker 2: many people enjoyed it and going, wait, what they're taking
Speaker 2: this stuff away?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 2: It's really good? And I'm a big proponent and you know,
Speaker 2: if you're an adult, you should be able to choose
Speaker 2: what it is that you put in your body, for sure,
Speaker 2: and as long as there's regulation involved there and some
Speaker 2: oversight to make sure you're not getting sick. I say,
Speaker 2: have added, have ad all you want, because tastes indeed change.
Speaker 2: Hopefully in the next year we have some solution to
Speaker 2: this whole thing, Adam, because you know, to think of
Speaker 2: how much money you yourself invested in. Other individuals I
Speaker 2: talked to involved in the craft brew industry in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't want to see those investments simply
Speaker 2: just evaporate as they have so far in the interim.
Speaker 2: How you holding up? You're painting a picture saying, Wow,
Speaker 2: you're the craft brew thinks kind of fading. We're kind
Speaker 2: of leaning into this, And you know, maybe not for
Speaker 2: you guys, because the scale in which you guys operated
Speaker 2: much bigger than a lot of locals. But the craft
Speaker 2: brew industry and know locally internationally, tends to be a
Speaker 2: close knit group of people who are, yeah, competitors, but
Speaker 2: at the same time you kind of pull for each other.
Speaker 2: How are some of these smaller operations doing, do you know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've suked with lots of them that think it
Speaker 3: impacts all of them differently. You're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 3: It's a very cordial community within craft beer where we
Speaker 3: have the ohiocreft Brewers Association meeting in a couple of
Speaker 3: days of conferences coming up here not too long from now,
Speaker 3: and this was a large topic last year. The Ohio
Speaker 3: Preppers Association did a great job bringing in national experts
Speaker 3: to talk with the ohiocraft brewers about it. And I
Speaker 3: know there's some that are reeling from this more than others,
Speaker 3: I think the answer for all of us is that
Speaker 3: we need to find whatever can possibly work to just
Speaker 3: make sure that we're staying competitive within the marketplace. And
Speaker 3: it's really hard to do when we spent a lot
Speaker 3: of time here today talking about the diversity beverage. I
Speaker 3: agree with you, non alcoholic beers have come a long way,
Speaker 3: but the rallies, they're very expensive to make. So if
Speaker 3: we're looking at the areas where craft brews can invest
Speaker 3: and make some things safely and effectively and responsibly and
Speaker 3: support our businesses that we've established, of craft beers declining.
Speaker 3: Since we are not able to control the general trends
Speaker 3: of the craft beer marketplace, there's very few things that
Speaker 3: we concerned to and look to do. And this is
Speaker 3: one of those emerging segments like the early days of
Speaker 3: the craft beer boom, where a lot of Ohio craft
Speaker 3: brewers are looking at this saying, hey, we can make that,
Speaker 3: we can make it taste great, we can have it tested,
Speaker 3: we can follow all the responsible labeling requirements. So if
Speaker 3: it's not this, we're going to have to learn what
Speaker 3: else we can do. And you're right, we ryn Gus
Speaker 3: is a larger craft brewers in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 3: But you're also right that we've spent a long time
Speaker 3: developing this product and for the marketplace to go away
Speaker 3: in Ohio is very disappointing, and we're really hoping that
Speaker 3: something will change to allow it to exist as we
Speaker 3: wait for the federal guidance.
Speaker 2: How much you on your list as a CEO, your
Speaker 2: plate is always overflowing, right, How high up on the
Speaker 2: list is this for you? Of concerns?
Speaker 3: Very high, very hid. It took us. We spent two
Speaker 3: years learning about this marketplace and developing Fuzzy Bones, which
Speaker 3: is our brand of in tox getting hemp beverages, and
Speaker 3: we're really proud of the brand and we think we
Speaker 3: did a great job with the liquids and all the
Speaker 3: characteristics of that product. And so its been two years
Speaker 3: on something and then for the marketplace to go away
Speaker 3: overnight when we worked so hard to make sure that
Speaker 3: the Ohio generally assembly was informed about the category and
Speaker 3: writing regulations to allow and promote business to exist in
Speaker 3: Ohio was disappointing. So you're right, there's lots of things
Speaker 3: on my priority list, but this has been up top
Speaker 3: the priority list for a long time and it's going
Speaker 3: to remain there.
Speaker 2: Well, this is something I strongly advocate for, Adam, and
Speaker 2: keep me in the loop on it and how things
Speaker 2: are going. Lawmakers on all the time, people like yourself.
Speaker 2: It's senseless to think that just on the whims of
Speaker 2: an individual, that this stuff all goes away and then
Speaker 2: there's no accountability for the action whatsoever, no reason as
Speaker 2: to why you would eliminate an entire growing sector that
Speaker 2: clearly adult. OHI ones want. I wish all the best, Adam,
Speaker 2: thanks for joining the show this morning.
Speaker 3: Take care, Thank you to.
Speaker 2: All the best. Anam Binkovic, CEO at RANG guys here
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, you know want you want people not to
Speaker 2: pay attention to do it during the holidays. You know,
Speaker 2: I'll be equally as hard on conservatives as I will
Speaker 2: liberals in the sense that you know, look at holding
Speaker 2: the feet of the fire that pure Vaul administration. For example,
Speaker 2: when it comes to transparency and accountability. I will turn
Speaker 2: that towards Governor DeWine here too. There's no answer. I've
Speaker 2: talked to lawmakers and people like Adam that there's no
Speaker 2: reason as to why Mike DeWine decided who's gonna kill
Speaker 2: this entire sector doesn't after to answer to anybody in
Speaker 2: that regard to and we still don't know why that
Speaker 2: should trouble all of us listening. Quick time out, we'll pivot.
Speaker 2: We'll get to the very latest. What's going on in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Me and you talking this one out as to what
Speaker 2: you saw in your reaction coming up next year, and
Speaker 2: something that I think was missed in this whole thing
Speaker 2: and our fight over who's right and who's wrong in America,
Speaker 2: I think we're missing the big picture on something. I'll
Speaker 2: touch on that right after news update here on seven
Speaker 2: hundred ww boy, Hell of Us starts at twenty twenty
Speaker 2: sixth Huh. We have an eleven year old girl murdered
Speaker 2: on New Year's Day. We take out Maduro in vade Venezuela,
Speaker 2: and all our teams are over the New year here
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati. And now this yesterday morning in Minneapolis, ice
Speaker 2: agent shot killed Renee Good. We know our name now,
Speaker 2: Renee Good, thirty seven year old mother of one and
Speaker 2: also US citizen, appears to be Caucasian and intentionally blocked
Speaker 2: a group of officers. And big picture here is there
Speaker 2: have been what seven officer involved shootings, two of them
Speaker 2: fatal now involving ICE and other individuals. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you've seen the video by now. If you haven't,
Speaker 2: it's about five six seconds maybe, And the person shooting
Speaker 2: the video is up close obviously, And agent approaches a
Speaker 2: c a SUV that's parked perpendicular to the street, somewhat
Speaker 2: blocking traffic. Not sure if this person's trying to get out.
Speaker 2: Some of the reports did say that this individual was,
Speaker 2: you know, blocking traffic. Others say she's trying to turn
Speaker 2: around or whatever. But nonetheless, you have a bunch of
Speaker 2: ICE agents uniformed, labeled marked. These are marked, and these
Speaker 2: aren't like undercover. You kind of know what's going on there.
Speaker 2: And the driver, as an agent approaches the front of
Speaker 2: the vehicle, says, hey, roll your window down. I need
Speaker 2: to talk to you. She doesn't do that. He tries
Speaker 2: to reach for the handle of the door from the outside,
Speaker 2: and at this point then she accelerates, now out of
Speaker 2: a high rate of speed as we've seen in the
Speaker 2: past and other other circumstances, but attempts to in the
Speaker 2: street's icy too, I believe, and tries to leave, but
Speaker 2: there's another agent in front of them. This one pulls
Speaker 2: their weapon out and fires a deadly shot. It looked
Speaker 2: appears to be like one round through the driver's side
Speaker 2: window that hits and strikes this woman. The suv speeds
Speaker 2: forward because at that point I'm guess saying that is
Speaker 2: good is no longer with us or some of the
Speaker 2: throes of dying. The vehicle speeds forward, strikes a park
Speaker 2: car short distance away. They render aid and she is
Speaker 2: sadly she has died. Almost the instant though this this
Speaker 2: awful news broke, we have two sharply different narratives that
Speaker 2: didn't just take hold. I mean they really were pushed
Speaker 2: actively by politicians. And on the right you had Christy
Speaker 2: Noman others labeling this as an issue of domestic terrorism,
Speaker 2: and that's a stretch. Certainly, the ICE agent was acting
Speaker 2: in self defense. That's pretty clear. Tactically speaking, it doesn't
Speaker 2: appear as if this was a good decision to stand
Speaker 2: in front of a car. We know Cincinnati and the
Speaker 2: way we police hear now because of what happened with
Speaker 2: Sam Debo some other cases, officers have said, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not a good idea to stand in the front
Speaker 2: of a vehicle. But you know, we had a in
Speaker 2: occurrence I think it was in Columbus, was it where
Speaker 2: that individuals being stopped in a car backing of a
Speaker 2: parking spot cop shot her, But you know, to label
Speaker 2: them as a domestic terrorist, I don't know if I
Speaker 2: agree with that. On the other side, on the left,
Speaker 2: the progressive left, you have this calling him active murder. Well,
Speaker 2: it's not murder if you're a Swan law enforcement officer.
Speaker 2: And so the after the video came out, we had
Speaker 2: these parallel rushes to judgment and everyone's just sting and
Speaker 2: we still don't know the entire story, right. But my
Speaker 2: perspective on this is what does this say? What does
Speaker 2: it say about us here in Cincinnati. I can't speak
Speaker 2: for what's happening in Minnesota. I can talk about the
Speaker 2: fields here in Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana. And what troubles
Speaker 2: me about this whole thing is not the shooting itself.
Speaker 2: We'll get into that a minute. Is So this story
Speaker 2: is an entirely different time zone. It's in Minnesota and
Speaker 2: we're paying attention to it. But right now in Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: as far as social media goes trends, people talking, this
Speaker 2: is a bigger issue, a bigger story then the murder
Speaker 2: of Quinnary Reid in Laurel Playground, the eleven year old
Speaker 2: girl who was shot to death on New Year's Day?
Speaker 2: And what does that say about us? Wait, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: here's something that we haven't can have an impact on
Speaker 2: because it's local government. It's local and it's it's fair
Speaker 2: to ask, hey, where the cameras, what happened to the money?
Speaker 2: And I did all that yesterday's show and been doing
Speaker 2: that all week. What where's the accountability here? And hold
Speaker 2: them to a standard. But even that topic is like, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: ke eleven year old kids shot. Mean, it's it's sad,
Speaker 2: it's horrible. But because this involves conservatives and progressives, this
Speaker 2: thing is just escalate. It's all anybody's talking about. And
Speaker 2: that is you know, well, we can certainly second guess
Speaker 2: our administration, we can certainly guess our elected officials. We
Speaker 2: should hold them accountable for things, whether you agree or disagree.
Speaker 2: But what does that say about us is as consumers
Speaker 2: of the news that were more people are more worked
Speaker 2: up about this than what happened on New Year's Day.
Speaker 2: I think that's a reflection on all of us, all
Speaker 2: of us, me, you, everybody. Relative to what's going on Minnesota,
Speaker 2: our good old friend who died a long time ago,
Speaker 2: common sense would come in early handy here, look, protest
Speaker 2: all you want, okay, And I'm watching live shots now
Speaker 2: on Fox and CNN of law enforcement and protesters clashing
Speaker 2: in Minnesota. It's a bunch of armed uniform military looking
Speaker 2: agents that are standing in front of people and trying
Speaker 2: to balk in the street somewhat here. I don't see,
Speaker 2: you know, punches being thrown. There's some pepper spray. I
Speaker 2: think some chemical hrants going on for those across the line.
Speaker 2: But by and large it's a peaceful demonstration. People protesting
Speaker 2: with the f the police signs and all that. And
Speaker 2: guess what, bring your bullhorns, bring your signs, yell be mad,
Speaker 2: absolutely on thousand percent this and we should you know,
Speaker 2: enforcing the border was a mandate by voters that helps
Speaker 2: sweep Trump in no office. We need to know who's
Speaker 2: coming here, we need to know why. I for a
Speaker 2: long time thought building a wall. It is kind of
Speaker 2: stupid unless it's around a major urban area to try
Speaker 2: and block them off. Sure, but in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 2: a different story, But it doesn't mean you are against
Speaker 2: enforcing our borders. We need to know who's coming in
Speaker 2: this country. We need to separate the criminals from everyone else.
Speaker 2: That's a lot different than snatching people off the streets
Speaker 2: in the aisles of home depot. Based on how you look,
Speaker 2: that for many is a bridge too far. And if
Speaker 2: that upsets you, we should be protesting that.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: If you agree with it, then maybe you want to
Speaker 2: protest and support them for that too. Yeah, when you
Speaker 2: have people who came here as children and our teens
Speaker 2: are adults, they they don't deserve that kind of treatment.
Speaker 2: That's what upsetting me. It's a fundamental American right. But
Speaker 2: when you have an armed identifiable agent or a police
Speaker 2: officer or a sheriff's deputy issuing a command saying hey, stop,
Speaker 2: I need to talk to you, roll your window down,
Speaker 2: you stop and up until well, at least points you
Speaker 2: hear this. Countless cases where well they got shot because
Speaker 2: they're black. Right back to well Minnesota again, Rodney King
Speaker 2: and others because they're black. Well, okay, you know we've
Speaker 2: had the we had this shooting white woman, we had
Speaker 2: the shooting of figures for some of the lender, the
Speaker 2: lender guy, you know, Carl Linder's offspring who was shot.
Speaker 2: We had shootings in Boone County. We have all so
Speaker 2: you know the narrative about well it's because well it's
Speaker 2: not because they're black. It's because they're doing something they
Speaker 2: shouldn't be doing. And it doesn't matter if you think
Speaker 2: you're right. Hell, it doesn't matter if a judge says
Speaker 2: you're completely right, that doesn't matter at that moment in time.
Speaker 2: And you may be right, but you fight that in
Speaker 2: court alive, with an attorney or someone representing you. You
Speaker 2: certainly don't when someone ann officer and a market officer says, hey,
Speaker 2: I got to talk to you. Stop what you're doing.
Speaker 2: That is not the time to accelerate your vehicle. And
Speaker 2: here's the memo to progressives on this. The self absorption
Speaker 2: and the righteous indignation can get you killed. And it's
Speaker 2: not just progresses. If you think that way, that you
Speaker 2: can do whatever you want with impunity. And we see
Speaker 2: countless cases where people act the fool because they have
Speaker 2: I know my rights. You know, when when an officer's
Speaker 2: you disobey a lawful command and you're blocking the street,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say, you get what's coming to you,
Speaker 2: but you open the door for that to occur. You
Speaker 2: have a hand in this. You're not completely innocent. And
Speaker 2: do we live in an age where everyone thinks that
Speaker 2: they are their own entity, they're their own island. No
Speaker 2: one can touch me, no one can disrespect me, or
Speaker 2: regardless of what authority or the authority you don't you
Speaker 2: know you can. You can't do what you want to
Speaker 2: you gotta. I can disrespect you, but you can't disrespect me.
Speaker 2: That's simply the culture in America today. Or you think
Speaker 2: you can do what you want with impunity, and you
Speaker 2: clearly you can. And if you're i know, a mega
Speaker 2: conservative for example, and you're not in your head going amen, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Well guess what this also applied to Ashley Babbitt, didn't it?
Speaker 6: Wait?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: No, No, that's different. It's not different. You're in the
Speaker 2: United States Capitol on J six and there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of people trying to break down a door, or on
Speaker 2: the other side, are a handful against a big angry mob.
Speaker 2: By the way, a handful of law enforcement officers. Whether
Speaker 2: they're capital to police or ice agents, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: They're law and force for on law enforcement officers, and
Speaker 2: it's pretty clear they have their weapons out. You smash
Speaker 2: through the window and you look through and say, hey,
Speaker 2: there's a guy with a gun pointing it at me.
Speaker 2: I'm going to jump through this window. What the hell
Speaker 2: do you think was gonna happen? So this isn't about
Speaker 2: conservative ideology progressive ideo. This is about damn common sense
Speaker 2: is what this is. When the man has a gun
Speaker 2: and he's uniformed and he says, hey, I need to
Speaker 2: talk to you, stop, that's the time to take your
Speaker 2: foot off the gas. Protest all you want. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of things we should be protesting. There's this question
Speaker 2: about it. Things are off the rails. But the idea
Speaker 2: here is that, you know, now, people have already made
Speaker 2: their minds up based on five seconds of video, and
Speaker 2: that's where we are right now. We've completely lost any
Speaker 2: context or common sense whatsoever. Your thoughts A five point
Speaker 2: three seven four nine, seven thousand and eight The Big
Speaker 2: One on talkback iHeartRadio app also coming up at ten
Speaker 2: oh seven this morning, will continue the topic. Dan Hills
Speaker 2: is here, of course, you know him as the longtime
Speaker 2: head of the sinci FOP, who is now the head
Speaker 2: of president of Frontline advise. They advise local jurisdictions on
Speaker 2: while things like this, for example, a lot of what
Speaker 2: we'll call what is kind of spin control, if you
Speaker 2: need call it that, and just advise them on how
Speaker 2: to handle things because if you're a small jurisdiction and
Speaker 2: you get jammed up with what's going on Minnesota, you
Speaker 2: kind of need some guidance on that. That's what they do.
Speaker 2: Not to be labor that point, but this is a
Speaker 2: guy who is an expert in use of force, and
Speaker 2: I'm curious to know what his analysis is of what
Speaker 2: he saw in Minnesota. That's coming up at two ten
Speaker 2: of six in the meantime to Xenia and Jeff on
Speaker 2: the Scott Slung Show Morning, how are you and Scott?
Speaker 4: All good logical points there, But you know you're talking
Speaker 4: too much common sense yourself, right right.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: The thing is is if you if you watch YouTube,
Speaker 4: there's plenty of videos out there too about people. You know, hey,
Speaker 4: if you get pulled over by the cops, this is
Speaker 4: what you can and cannot do. You know, don't open
Speaker 4: your windows, don't do this, show them your license through
Speaker 4: the window, and this and that and as you just stated.
Speaker 4: You know, if you put yourself in the position that
Speaker 4: you can possibly be determined to be a threat to somebody,
Speaker 4: that's all it is. That's all it comes down to.
Speaker 4: And the cops aren't gonna hesitate because they don't know
Speaker 4: whether you might be some psychotic, they don't know what
Speaker 4: you might be a normal human being. But if you
Speaker 4: put yourself in that position, be ready for the consequences.
Speaker 4: And people just don't seem to think that, you know
Speaker 4: that they they are impunity, they have impunity, and they
Speaker 4: don't it doesn't matter what they do that they're they're
Speaker 4: gonna be okay with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's putting yourself in that situation. It's just
Speaker 2: it's the righteous indignation culture that you think you know
Speaker 2: without question and what I believe is the absolute, unmigated truth.
Speaker 2: And you have no right to tell me what to do. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know why you think that way
Speaker 2: or think it doesn't apply to you, but it does.
Speaker 2: And again, you can be one hundred percent of the right.
Speaker 2: That's up to a judge and a jury to decide
Speaker 2: at a later date if you're in the right or
Speaker 2: the wrong. But you know, you need to be alive
Speaker 2: to fight for that too. You know. It's the thing
Speaker 2: that somehow I'm this, you know, I'm gonna I know
Speaker 2: this woman was thinking being the savior to the community. Okay, good.
Speaker 2: You can empathize with them for sure, and advocate for them,
Speaker 2: as I think she was. But you know, when when
Speaker 2: there's a simple command to stop and you don't do that,
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean anything at that point. Just stop what
Speaker 2: you're doing. It's not a black, white male, female gay
Speaker 2: straight issue applies to everybody exactly.
Speaker 4: I had an instance where I'd go down and help
Speaker 4: a friend because he'd gotten pulled over. And I go
Speaker 4: down there and the cop said, hey, who are you?
Speaker 4: And I said, well, you guys called me to come
Speaker 4: down here.
Speaker 2: Says you got any ID on you?
Speaker 4: Right, and I gave it to him and the cops
Speaker 4: the other one said run it, you know, and I'm
Speaker 4: staying and they're looking at this guy said, wait a minute,
Speaker 4: I came down here to take this guy's car because
Speaker 4: you basically nabbed him for a duy or whatever, and
Speaker 4: you and you said run it, and right that second,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm slaying big time. But I didn't say
Speaker 4: anything because I know, I know that. If I want
Speaker 4: to do anything about it, well, I go talk to
Speaker 4: the supervisor, I go do something like that. But the
Speaker 4: fact that that basically that they do that, you know,
Speaker 4: to somebody, has nothing to do with it. It basically
Speaker 4: had basically coming down here to help a friend. But
Speaker 4: they figure birds of a feather is what they're looking at.
Speaker 4: I understand that too. I understand that too. But you know,
Speaker 4: that's simple interest. I could have I could have gone
Speaker 4: nuts on him, but I didn't, you know, and got
Speaker 4: a hand.
Speaker 2: I also get maybe this woman panicked too. There's an
Speaker 2: element there as well, like I wait a minute, all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, this got real. And but but again,
Speaker 2: you have to you have to have that situational awareness
Speaker 2: of going, okay, I probably should stop this vehicle. And I,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know why you would pull forward
Speaker 2: if someone is standing you wouldn't do that. If a
Speaker 2: kid or maybe one of the people in the community
Speaker 2: were there who you're trying to help, were standing in
Speaker 2: front of you'd probably give them, hey, get out of
Speaker 2: the way thing. But instead decided to stay hit the gas.
Speaker 2: And now it's a fatal and it's you know, it's
Speaker 2: an ever evolving. So, but there's a there's a consistency
Speaker 2: here to this whole thing, and that is it's not
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what you look like. And that's what
Speaker 2: I hated about the whole narrative the first time we
Speaker 2: did this in Minnesota. It's about your actions, about what
Speaker 2: you're doing when it evolves a officer involved stop. And
Speaker 2: I'll ask Dan about this. Come up, Dan Hills. I
Speaker 2: think it bears okay. So if you're a I don't know,
Speaker 2: you're since a police offer you haml Kant, a sheriff's deputy,
Speaker 2: you're trained in tactics when it comes to traffic. These
Speaker 2: are immigration agents, you know. Did they get the same
Speaker 2: level of a training as a beat cop and how
Speaker 2: to handle the situation like that? Because we talked about
Speaker 2: you look at it, go wow, that's kind of bad
Speaker 2: tactically that you're standing in front of a vehicle that's running. Okay,
Speaker 2: But were these guys have been trained for things like this?
Speaker 2: And I think that's something else that's missed here too
Speaker 2: in this effort to Villa and I, every single ICE
Speaker 2: agent that's out there and lined up is man, what
Speaker 2: are you doing? Why are you doing this?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: Because you swore an oath. Okay, now it doesn't allow
Speaker 2: you to break the law. You know, you're allowed to
Speaker 2: refuse legal orders. And look at the whole Clark thing, right,
Speaker 2: and you're taught that, But that seemed to be a
Speaker 2: reasonable order. Border patrols GA like, Okay, we're gonna stop,
Speaker 2: and this person's blocking traffic and we're trying to do
Speaker 2: our jobs. And now I got to find out why
Speaker 2: she's doing this, and hold on, stop, I gotta talk
Speaker 2: to you. You know, it's not like these guys, I
Speaker 2: think almost all of them, if not every one of them,
Speaker 2: Like you know, I just I want the paycheck and
Speaker 2: the job, and I don't make the policies. I go
Speaker 2: where I'm told. I mean, we all have jobs, we
Speaker 2: all report to someone. You go where you're kicked. That's true.
Speaker 2: Whether you're a radio talk show host, whether you work
Speaker 2: in a fifth third bank, whether you're I work at
Speaker 2: a grocery store, or whether you're an ice agent or
Speaker 2: police officer. Their orders. You may have disagree with them,
Speaker 2: but you got to pair amount. It's kind of like
Speaker 2: in the back of the day when I'm obviously I
Speaker 2: was in a on for this, but you know, the
Speaker 2: stories about soldiers coming back from Vietnam and people attacking them.
Speaker 2: What they're just fronding commands. It's like you're a baby killer.
Speaker 2: You're I didn't sign up for this. You want to
Speaker 2: be mad, be mad at Kennedy, be mad at LBJ,
Speaker 2: be mad at Nixon. I'm just I'm just a pawn.
Speaker 2: Five and three seven four nine, seven eight hundred, the
Speaker 2: Big One to Bridget and Peebles this morning, how are you?
Speaker 8: I am good?
Speaker 5: And I just want to say I'm a longtime listener
Speaker 5: of yours and first time caller, and I couldn't agree
Speaker 5: with you more. I just don't understand what people are
Speaker 5: thinking anymore. I mean, they just think they can do
Speaker 5: whatever they want, and it really makes you not want
Speaker 5: to go out in public. I mean, at least for me,
Speaker 5: I don't want to go down to Cincinnati and you know,
Speaker 5: get confronted by someone, and I'm just I don't understand it.
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm glad I live more out in a
Speaker 8: rural area that we don't have to put up with
Speaker 8: that as much. But I feel like I was looking
Speaker 8: at social media today Facebook and I felt like there
Speaker 8: was a post from Channel nine News about the girl
Speaker 8: and I've seen it, and I just can't believe that
Speaker 8: there's not more outrage about this.
Speaker 5: I mean, people comment about snow and weather in Cincinnati
Speaker 5: more than they have commented.
Speaker 2: About this, I think, And let me matter reject a second,
Speaker 2: Bridget And you know, I kind of understand. What I
Speaker 2: did is that you're one hundred percent right about that
Speaker 2: is what does that say about us? And that's me,
Speaker 2: it's you, it's everybody listening that we're more polarized and upset.
Speaker 2: And look how quickly people jump to one side or
Speaker 2: the other, and there's no room for going well, okay,
Speaker 2: the facts aren't in all the way yet on what's
Speaker 2: right or wrong. But you have the left and the other.
Speaker 2: You have conservatives, you have progressives, and they're entrenched to write.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, within seconds of the story breaking, and
Speaker 2: everyone in since in the air area is talking about
Speaker 2: this story more than what happened on New Year's Day
Speaker 2: with that eleven year old girl in the park, and
Speaker 2: that's a reflection on us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't understand it. I told everybody I made
Speaker 5: a comment, and I usually don't. I usually just kind
Speaker 5: of creep on social media, but I just said, everybody
Speaker 5: needs to go back and listen to your interview with
Speaker 5: the city council lady, and there was just no answer.
Speaker 8: I mean, I understand she's looking forward and she's.
Speaker 9: Trying to get she doesn't have answers.
Speaker 5: The right Yeah, I mean it was I felt like
Speaker 5: people need to go and listen to that interview, and
Speaker 5: they really need to, you know, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 5: like I said, I'm glad I live in Peeble's, Ohio.
Speaker 10: Small community, great community.
Speaker 9: So I work where I work.
Speaker 8: They have their Christmas parties down in Cincinnati.
Speaker 5: Didn't go this year.
Speaker 3: Not going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not good because they need the business down there.
Speaker 2: I I me and myself, I'm not you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not too worried about it. I mean, you know, situational awareness,
Speaker 2: right right time of day, right places you could I mean, sadly,
Speaker 2: as you know, you could wind up getting jammed up
Speaker 2: in something people's tomorrow. You just don't know. But I
Speaker 2: think it's reflective our society that. I mean, we just
Speaker 2: had a story here where a woman had a Maga
Speaker 2: Girl license plate, Maga Girl license plates, and someone shot
Speaker 2: at her. You know, I think that's two ways. Is
Speaker 2: number one, is I wouldn't put anything political on my vehicle,
Speaker 2: on my Bristol vehicle, how vanity plates anything like that.
Speaker 2: People are crazy, but we're just so entrenched in political
Speaker 2: ideology and this is just another example of it. Hey, Bridge,
Speaker 2: thanks for listening. I appreciate you. Have a great day.
Speaker 2: You thanks all the best. Got to get a news
Speaker 2: update and we'll continue the topic here with what's going
Speaker 2: on in Minnesota. Get some new eyes on it from
Speaker 2: Dan Hills, of course, long time CPD officer, Sergeant Dan
Speaker 2: formerly head of the FOP for a long time and
Speaker 2: now involved with a group of frontline advisor advice police agencies.
Speaker 2: I didn't get his eyes on this and see what
Speaker 2: he saw tactically, get an officer's response to what's going on.
Speaker 2: We'll chop all this up with Dan right after a
Speaker 2: news update and that's happening in about three minutes here
Speaker 2: latest in Minnesota, but Cincinnati as well. We got you covered.
Speaker 2: Scott'slan continues afterwards on seven hundred WWT Cincinnati. Don't want
Speaker 2: to be in American It saw me back on seven
Speaker 2: hundred WLW. The big story today, as we've been talking about,
Speaker 2: of course, is the UH just a horrific story coming
Speaker 2: out of Minnesota today, ice agents shooting a thirty seven
Speaker 2: year old single mom. I guess who intentionally blocked a
Speaker 2: group of officers And now to date there's been only
Speaker 2: seven officer involved shootings, two of them fatal, involving ice
Speaker 2: and citizens. So in this five second sequence we've all
Speaker 2: seen over and over that was filmed a fairly short
Speaker 2: distance away. Here's someone yell hey, presumably an agent. Agent
Speaker 2: walks up, tries to open the driver's side door, driver accelerates,
Speaker 2: second agent standing near the front of the vehicle, and
Speaker 2: as she tries to accelerate to leave, albeit slowly because
Speaker 2: the roads are pretty icy, it looks like the deadly
Speaker 2: shot is fired through the driver's side window from the
Speaker 2: front so the suv and then speeds forwards because at
Speaker 2: that point, presumably miss Good is either critical or dead,
Speaker 2: and the vehicle speeds for of strikes of park car
Speaker 2: short distance away, and that was not survivable. It's a
Speaker 2: horrible instance. We've seen this play out time and time again,
Speaker 2: and on that because he is he's seen it first hand.
Speaker 2: The use of force expert, former FOP president now President
Speaker 2: of Frontline Advisors is Dan Hills.
Speaker 10: Dan Welcome it's funny, good morning to you on this
Speaker 10: brisk winter morning. Yeah, I'm surprise you're here in town,
Speaker 10: not in Florida or somewhere. Yeah, I'm that's that's more Willie.
Speaker 10: That's down there. I try to stay as far away
Speaker 10: from there as I can for that. For that reason,
Speaker 10: I will say this.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say Happy New Year, but it doesn't
Speaker 2: fit because we've had a This has been a hell
Speaker 2: of a start to twenty twenty stations, when we had
Speaker 2: eleven year old girl murdered on New Year's Day at
Speaker 2: a park, we had the invasion of Venezuela. All of
Speaker 2: our teams in Cincinnata are oh for the new year,
Speaker 2: and now this I demand a restart of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 10: I'll second your motion.
Speaker 2: It's been awful. So after the shooting, obviously you get
Speaker 2: crowds gathering. They're gathering and protesting today. So far, I
Speaker 2: don't see too much of violence here towards police, other
Speaker 2: than maybe some snowballs. But you have federal agents appearing
Speaker 2: to respond by releasing chemical irritans around the crowds right now,
Speaker 2: and you know there's you look at this whole thing
Speaker 2: and it's played out time and time again. Dan, there's
Speaker 2: just no winners in this. You know, everyone's taking signes
Speaker 2: and this as I've been talking about this morning, and
Speaker 2: yet certainly the neighbors lose, the protesters lose, the cops lose,
Speaker 2: the ice agents lose, the country loses.
Speaker 10: This is it's just horrible, it is, you Know'slanny. I
Speaker 10: appreciate you having me on, but you know I have
Speaker 10: to go in and tell your audience than the ones
Speaker 10: that you know this already, that I'm coming in pretty biased, right.
Speaker 10: I represent h plolice officers and you know did for
Speaker 10: years as the union president and still do with frontline advisors.
Speaker 10: With all that said, I do want to speak to
Speaker 10: a greater audience, one that one that doesn't necessarily see
Speaker 10: everything in the same lens that that I do. And
Speaker 10: you know, I do understand why people look at a
Speaker 10: shooting like that involving the vehicle and say why and
Speaker 10: and so for that part, I will say that, you know,
Speaker 10: I don't like to see the tactical approach of anybody
Speaker 10: being in front of a vehicle one that is you know,
Speaker 10: obviously in drive. Right. With that said, though too, that
Speaker 10: your bad tech approach does not remove you from the
Speaker 10: right to defend when you defend yourself and defend yourself,
Speaker 10: as the courts have laid out, and that is about
Speaker 10: the perception at the time, the perception that you have
Speaker 10: at the time, and that a reasonable auser would do
Speaker 10: the same thing. It doesn't mean that every officer would
Speaker 10: do the same thing. It means that a reasonable auser
Speaker 10: would do the same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this has elements of uh not directed. But
Speaker 2: but this is like Ray to Bow's rate Tensing Sam
Speaker 2: to Bow's over in that occurrence, and you are on
Speaker 2: the job then and you know, we well remember how
Speaker 2: horrible that was. Is Officer Tensing is trying to stop
Speaker 2: the BOS for a front flight violation, which then at
Speaker 2: the time Joe Dieters now Supreme Court to set up
Speaker 2: his BS to BS. It's it's a chicken bleep stops.
Speaker 2: I think the words that he used, and we since
Speaker 2: change that with front plate because I think he's right
Speaker 2: in that regard too. I mean, it seems cheap, as
Speaker 2: there's plenty of people with expensive cars, maybe at Kenwoock
Speaker 2: Country Club for example, where they don't have front plates
Speaker 2: because it's a you know, eighty thousand dollars car. They're
Speaker 2: not the ones getting pulled over usually, But in that
Speaker 2: regard not to get down a rabbit hole or get
Speaker 2: out in the weeds on this thing, I look at
Speaker 2: it and go, yeah, you know you're reaching in a
Speaker 2: car to try and stop it, and he pulls off
Speaker 2: and Tensing it no choice but to shoot. And we've
Speaker 2: changed tactics since then. I guess the big question Dan
Speaker 2: would be street cops know that, but our ice agents
Speaker 2: trained as street.
Speaker 10: Cops are, well, you you went down a rabbit hole.
Speaker 10: I'm going to sit down there with you. I've talked
Speaker 10: about I've talked about ten ten on the radio. I
Speaker 10: have a very strong belief that ten Ting did not
Speaker 10: decide to shoot to as Joeaters was putting down there
Speaker 10: because he's a racist, or he wanted to kill, or
Speaker 10: be because he wanted to save his wife. I thank
Speaker 10: Tenking shot because of a muscle reflex. I think it
Speaker 10: was an accidental shooting. And I'm went over that. There's
Speaker 10: a fourth science experts out there and stuff that I'll
Speaker 10: talk about the timing with that, the one that would
Speaker 10: actually match this better.
Speaker 6: Solony.
Speaker 10: If you remember, I think the trial just happened last
Speaker 10: year is in twenty twenty five. So not that long ago.
Speaker 10: Is the blended township? Am I saying that? Right? Up
Speaker 10: and up by Columbus the lady was a leisure or whatever.
Speaker 10: That case and it went to a trial is very
Speaker 10: similar to this. And that's another one where people saw
Speaker 10: somebody out in front of a car, and I guess
Speaker 10: again have the questions about that, And those are fair
Speaker 10: questions because I do not believe those were good, strong
Speaker 10: tactical approaches. But again, just because your technical approach isn't
Speaker 10: the best, that doesn't stop you. As far as caseball
Speaker 10: is considered, from the right to defend yourself, and when
Speaker 10: you're holding a gun, and when you're already pointing a gun,
Speaker 10: your natural order of reflex almost is then to use
Speaker 10: that gun to defend yourself. And so again, the people
Speaker 10: who are going to be question this, they're going to say, well,
Speaker 10: why didn't he move out of the way? And you know,
Speaker 10: could moving out of the way been a good answer?
Speaker 10: It could have been? Could, but could was his reflex
Speaker 10: is at that time something that would be reasonable? And
Speaker 10: I think that's what we're going to end up finding them.
Speaker 10: I hope to God it through a trial or whatever.
Speaker 10: I hope this political divide doesn't create an officer being
Speaker 10: charged for something that quite clearly was the self defense move.
Speaker 10: One that we can argue about when we can talk
Speaker 10: about tactics about and all that stuff. But as far
Speaker 10: as could you ever see a jury beyond a reasonable
Speaker 10: doubt saying that this person that you know want to
Speaker 10: work that day with the intention of just killing somebody.
Speaker 2: But that's a sad thing the case, Dan, that's a
Speaker 2: sad narrative I think from you know, from aggressives, for example,
Speaker 2: is that these guys are bloodthirsty and want to go
Speaker 2: out there and shoot as many people. You know, you're sworn.
Speaker 2: You took a sworn oath, right, And this is kind
Speaker 2: of like the parallel to me and I mentioned earlier.
Speaker 2: The parallel is like when soldiers came home from the
Speaker 2: Vietnam War and they're spit on and cursed. They're you know,
Speaker 2: they're they're they are under orders, they're in her command
Speaker 2: to do that. Now, a lot we're drafted. You don't
Speaker 2: have a draft in this case with police officers. You
Speaker 2: do this voluntarily. But you know when you when you
Speaker 2: joined the force, however many years ago or whatever's you
Speaker 2: signed up for perhaps you know this, this wasn't seen
Speaker 2: as something that's going to happen. You never know what's
Speaker 2: going to happen tomorrow or the next minute on, and
Speaker 2: so you're following commands. You're following orders. Now, whether they're
Speaker 2: lawful orders or not, it seems like a lawful command
Speaker 2: to go out whatever they're asking this woman to do.
Speaker 2: The other reasonable side of this thing is is looking
Speaker 2: at it going, well, you know, the idea that these
Speaker 2: cops are out there to just hammer down on citizens
Speaker 2: is silly in itself. No one's going to sign up
Speaker 2: for that, and certainly it's not going to pass muster.
Speaker 2: But the problem is at the top. If you disagree
Speaker 2: with the policies and how they're being enforced, you have
Speaker 2: every right to protest that. But when when an armed
Speaker 2: agent tells you to stop what you're doing, roll your
Speaker 2: window down, obey a command, that's not the time to
Speaker 2: hit the accelerator.
Speaker 10: It sure isn't. And that's what you know. I'm I
Speaker 10: looked at the shooting, and like I said, I come
Speaker 10: in knowing that and a lot of stuff and a
Speaker 10: lot of history, and I believe in my heart of
Speaker 10: heart that that that's not going to be prosecuted. Because
Speaker 10: it is prosecuted, the alser to be found not guilty.
Speaker 10: He has a right to defend himself. So just to
Speaker 10: move beyond that for Minionian talk about the deeper politics
Speaker 10: that's going on here and how dangerous it is that
Speaker 10: you have a mayor and a governor, you know, wanting
Speaker 10: to jump out ahead of this without even any time,
Speaker 10: uh to to to really take a deep look at it,
Speaker 10: and want to call this this this I think they've
Speaker 10: even used the word murder or something of that sort.
Speaker 10: And there they are setting the stage for something that
Speaker 10: you know is approaching, you know, almost civil ar type
Speaker 10: of of a reaction where you're you're splitting the right
Speaker 10: and the left up there to the point where we
Speaker 10: can't even have reasonable conversations.
Speaker 2: We can't.
Speaker 10: I come in, I come in with bias that I'm
Speaker 10: I'm conservative, yes, and I am I am pro law enforcement,
Speaker 10: and and of course I'm all for cost defendent themselves.
Speaker 10: But I'll have a reasonable conversation with somebody about this.
Speaker 10: I'm not going to come on screaming and using the
Speaker 10: F bomb and all this stuff like this mayor did
Speaker 10: we just were losing civil discourse, and that's questions.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, on the right calling this this woman
Speaker 2: a domestic terrorist, is that that's also insane. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's probably a right. I mean, that's just that's just fair.
Speaker 2: But but look at I was pointing this out earlier,
Speaker 2: is that the instant this broke, we went into two
Speaker 2: entirely different narratives on this before all the facts came out,
Speaker 2: by the way, and we didn't know what the timeline was,
Speaker 2: and we still don't know all the facts of this thing,
Speaker 2: but politicians on both sides actively push their agenda. We
Speaker 2: go to demerica, domestic terraces on the right, murders on
Speaker 2: the left, and and we just it just we don't
Speaker 2: even know the whole story. And as I pointed out,
Speaker 2: and this comes back to you as a longtime CPD officer,
Speaker 2: Dan Hills, what does it say about us here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: I can't speak for Minnesota or any other state, but Ohio,
Speaker 2: Kentucky and Indiana. What does it say about us here?
Speaker 2: The biggest story of the week so far is this.
Speaker 2: It's exploding all over the city. People are debating and
Speaker 2: discussing it. Something that happened in a different time zone,
Speaker 2: is bigger than the issue. When we talk about justice
Speaker 2: for Quinary Reid, who was murdered on New Year's Day
Speaker 2: at a park, that story was like wow, everyone's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: another shot, another eleven year old, this park, Okay, great,
Speaker 2: put the cameras up, debate at whatever. But this story
Speaker 2: is more gripping than that. What does that say about us?
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, it's it's a really good point you're making
Speaker 10: when we have we have an eleven year old that
Speaker 10: is completely innocent, and this isn't like this is the
Speaker 10: first time it's happened. By God, it happened in almost
Speaker 10: in the exact same spot. Cincinnati needs to really come
Speaker 10: to grist of what is going on culturally, the criminal
Speaker 10: justice system. All these things come together and it isn't working.
Speaker 10: Something is really really broken bad. When we can kind
Speaker 10: of shrug off the death of eleven year old, like
Speaker 10: you said, go and then now we're off worrying about
Speaker 10: something in some other state, or what we're actually worrying
Speaker 10: about is like you heading off to our right left camp,
Speaker 10: so everybody just once can't wait to head off into
Speaker 10: their own camp instead of having a discussion. And Sonny,
Speaker 10: you said it too. About this shooting. We don't know
Speaker 10: all the facts. I could sit here and tell you, Look,
Speaker 10: I'm biased, I'm pro police, and I have a lot
Speaker 10: of experience in these type of cases, and I believe
Speaker 10: that the outre will be found just in what he did.
Speaker 10: But that doesn't mean that there isn't still more to
Speaker 10: know about this thing. Before you say anything for sure,
Speaker 10: before you decide whether you're would you just say that
Speaker 10: the two camps are murder or domestic care or whatever camp,
Speaker 10: I think we should all slow down a little bit.
Speaker 10: I think we should flow down a lot and say, look,
Speaker 10: something awful happened. There was a loss of life. I
Speaker 10: think we're going to find that there was a lot
Speaker 10: of things that came up to this uh uh that
Speaker 10: that we need to look at too, these demonstrators, how
Speaker 10: we're reacting to these demonstrators, ices and all that stuff.
Speaker 10: Because we want to prevent loss of life, we all
Speaker 10: should agree on that and then then we can move
Speaker 10: on from there. But if all we do is head
Speaker 10: off to those two camps like you talk about, screaming
Speaker 10: at each other, I'm really really worried about America and
Speaker 10: and and and to do that little bounce back like
Speaker 10: you said, I'm worried about I'm worried about our community
Speaker 10: that we still haven't even really come to griss of
Speaker 10: what just what just happened to?
Speaker 2: Yeah, second eleven year old murdered in Laurel Park in
Speaker 2: two and a half years and people just shrug and go, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: what's what's for dinner? And we're all wor at word
Speaker 2: about Minnesota. Yeah, back when you were on it, you know,
Speaker 2: we had the whole I mentioned the police involve shootings
Speaker 2: here and how tactically we change things on the street saying, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, let's let's not stand in the front part
Speaker 2: of a vehicle that's running right and kind of maybe
Speaker 2: move to the side. We've seen shootings. You mentioned one Columbus.
Speaker 2: That was another one where the woman's trying to back
Speaker 2: up out of a parking spot, or the person's backing
Speaker 2: up and officer shoots them. And I get that. I
Speaker 2: just wonder if there's a disconnect between, you know, not
Speaker 2: to make this all about tactics, but the kind of
Speaker 2: training that ice agents were getting relative to these stops.
Speaker 2: You guys train all the time, and I just don't
Speaker 2: I don't know, and maybe you do or don't what
Speaker 2: level of train they receive when it comes to traffic
Speaker 2: stops like this, because essentially you've got immigration agents that
Speaker 2: are handling this. This was a traffic stop. I don't
Speaker 2: know what the level of training there is with those guys,
Speaker 2: and you know, I think that also clouds things too.
Speaker 10: It'd be a guest, but I think you're you're going
Speaker 10: down the right day. Up. I think it's it's likely
Speaker 10: that they haven't had trained slash experience in these type
Speaker 10: of things, because, yeah, I see this, I see this
Speaker 10: crazy uh demonstrator not to talk to all of the dead,
Speaker 10: but out there, you know, what are you doing moving
Speaker 10: her car around when she's dealing with a bunch of
Speaker 10: armed agents. It doesn't seem very balanced to me. Slowly,
Speaker 10: I'm up on the sidewalk, I'm standing behind the st here.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: There's only so much a human being can do to
Speaker 10: affect a car. If if they wanted the stopper or
Speaker 10: I would use a vehicle or something to stop her
Speaker 10: if they if they have charges that are that high
Speaker 10: a level that they want to do. Other than that,
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, I'm giving my commands from somewhere say.
Speaker 2: The story here is it? And again it may change,
Speaker 2: it may not who knows, but that she was blocking
Speaker 2: traffic and she's trying to pull away and move her
Speaker 2: You know, the self absorption and righteous indignation can get
Speaker 2: you killed. And that's true. Whether it's it's this this woman,
Speaker 2: this thirty seven year old Renee Good in Minnesota, whether
Speaker 2: it's uh, you can you can? You know, look at
Speaker 2: the Sam Debos thing, look at the look at the
Speaker 2: shooting of of Linder. Right, we had shootings that you know,
Speaker 2: you start doing in pointing weapon and whether it's a
Speaker 2: car or a gun at a and an armed officer,
Speaker 2: bad things are going to happen to you as well.
Speaker 2: They should. This was entirely preventable. But just roll the
Speaker 2: window down and talk to the agent. I don't understand
Speaker 2: the pulling away and why we're defending that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't know what business it is now that's
Speaker 10: running a commercial might be for all, getting getting your
Speaker 10: call and screened or whatever is like, these things are preventable,
Speaker 10: and you know, I'm on the loss what I think today?
Speaker 10: Have you heard this commercials w W an them? But
Speaker 10: these things are preventable, is your point these things are
Speaker 10: very preventable, and it starts with the person that lost
Speaker 10: their life. They made lots of decisions, uh that that
Speaker 10: that prevented this. Yes, I know we tend to look
Speaker 10: at the institutions, whether it's a police department or ice
Speaker 10: or whoever, and say how can they do things better?
Speaker 10: And we always should right, right, But but but these
Speaker 10: these these actors that are going out and doing these things,
Speaker 10: are are putting themselves at risk. And look, if you
Speaker 10: don't like the law, immigration laws. I believe in immigration laws.
Speaker 10: I believe in borders in the country. If you don't
Speaker 10: believe in them, then vote for somebody that's you know,
Speaker 10: wants to change the immigration law or peacefully demonstrate in
Speaker 10: a way that is common sensical. Don't go out there
Speaker 10: and put your life on the line to make your statement,
Speaker 10: because it is a shame. Like I said, everything is
Speaker 10: is well also, Dan going about things much more peaceful.
Speaker 2: You know you can be for you could be for
Speaker 2: securing the borders and making sure we know who's coming
Speaker 2: in this country and our sovereignty.
Speaker 6: We have a right to do that.
Speaker 2: But you know, even a lot of people agree with that,
Speaker 2: disagree with sweeping people up in home depot and just
Speaker 2: snatching them up and grabbing them with like, hey, we're
Speaker 2: going to quiz you see if you're here illegally or not.
Speaker 2: You know, I got a couple of people that I
Speaker 2: know personally through family, friends and the like that. One
Speaker 2: guy's Irish and and now he may be kicked out
Speaker 2: of the country for whatever reason. He got me went
Speaker 2: to school here, and there's there's stories that's all the time.
Speaker 2: It's just like, uh, you know, when when you overextend
Speaker 2: yourself in that capacity, going from immigration to in a
Speaker 2: lot of cases, what we're doing here, you know, it
Speaker 2: tends to polarize people and turn people against you. Would
Speaker 2: normally support you. But again, when an officer gives you
Speaker 2: a reasonable command, hey roll your window down. You're blocking
Speaker 2: the street. You can't block us from doing our jobs.
Speaker 2: You've got a problem right there, because that's your war.
Speaker 6: Can't do it.
Speaker 10: You have to obey law enforcement. And this wedge, this
Speaker 10: wedge that the politicians out there are putting between federal
Speaker 10: law enforcement and state law enforcement, is insane. Look, I'm
Speaker 10: responding to whatever law enforcement officer needs assistance. I'm not
Speaker 10: thinking about the politics involved in it, and neither should
Speaker 10: the Minnesota Chief of Police and some of the things
Speaker 10: that they're saying that the christ should recognize law enforcement
Speaker 10: officers as law enforcement officers. And again, they are enforcing
Speaker 10: the law. Maybe it's not the most popular, Maybe some
Speaker 10: people might not like the common sense of who they're
Speaker 10: approaching at a certain time or whatever. We can all
Speaker 10: talk about that, but you know, policemen needs help. They
Speaker 10: need to stand together as police officers, federal whatever, as
Speaker 10: long as as long as they're enforcing the law and
Speaker 10: doing it going about it in the legally correct ways,
Speaker 10: Gateball approved ways that they should stand together. And this
Speaker 10: divide that's being put in between them, Yeah, this is
Speaker 10: really bad.
Speaker 2: This is blaming the foot soldier obviously for what the
Speaker 2: what the chief is doing. And yeah, I think it's
Speaker 2: it's it's unfair to think that some I wonder how
Speaker 2: many you've talked to ICE agents off the record. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I wonder how many they agree with
Speaker 2: what they're doing. But again, it's it's their job. They're
Speaker 2: sworn to do this stuff, and you'll obey the commands
Speaker 2: above you. So Dan Hill's at the frontline advisor. He's
Speaker 2: a president of course, former FOP president here in Cincinnati. Dan,
Speaker 2: thanks for the insight and these these trying times. Indeed,
Speaker 2: hope the new year gets better from this point for
Speaker 2: it all the best of you to you too, sir,
Speaker 2: and the best of you and your family all the best, Yes,
Speaker 2: thank you. Let me get a news update in and
Speaker 2: more to follow. Here's the Scott's Loland Show seven hundred W.
Speaker 2: Wilderland me here on seven hundred W l w R
Speaker 2: Thursday morning segments with Sonja Shava Krimani Er Doc, one
Speaker 2: of the top doctors in the country, I'm told also
Speaker 2: our fitness and health guide. Just kind of a little
Speaker 2: check up on this first segment of the new year.
Speaker 2: Welcome are you my friend?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 10: Happy years?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I heard you.
Speaker 2: Understand that you have been voted top eer physician in
Speaker 2: the United States. Uh, the opposite.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I I was in the Top Docs episode
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati Magazine. I was not voted at Top Docs,
Speaker 1: but you know some of my work is highlighted there.
Speaker 10: Appreciate.
Speaker 9: Why do you just say.
Speaker 2: Again the truth. We're in the post truth society, Sanjay,
Speaker 2: just say you're the best guy in the world. Fair
Speaker 2: one will check, No one will check. Here we are
Speaker 2: in the first first CENTI first week of January, and
Speaker 2: I know the trend the kids all do, like yourself,
Speaker 2: here is dry January. What the hell is the point
Speaker 2: of that?
Speaker 10: So it's it's interesting, Scott, before you even go on,
Speaker 10: I found this shock. This that shocking, which was Gallup
Speaker 10: poll found that fifty four percent of adults drink alcohol now,
Speaker 10: which is the lowest it's been since they started recording it. Yeah,
Speaker 10: which is it was my it's been up to like
Speaker 10: seventy one percent, so like fifty four percent, So it's
Speaker 10: actually become less commonplace to drink. Have you tried tried
Speaker 10: January before?
Speaker 6: So I'm really I don't.
Speaker 2: Drink all that much. I might have, you know, every
Speaker 2: couple of weeks or maybe once a week really unless
Speaker 2: we're out with friends or something like. I'm not like
Speaker 2: a big sit around and watch football and drink beer.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I should because my team's never win,
Speaker 2: so I should probably drink more than I don't.
Speaker 1: It was dull the pain, for sure. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: now that the season's over for the Bengals, you know,
Speaker 1: there's no real reasons. But yeah, it's it's actually becoming
Speaker 1: more and more common. The whole dry January thing only
Speaker 1: started about less than twenty years ago, which also was
Speaker 1: surprising to me. I thought this has been around for
Speaker 1: a while, But what we're seeing is the movement's increasing.
Speaker 1: And this study just came out, Actually it was out
Speaker 1: of Brown University, but it was a combination of a
Speaker 1: bunch of other studies about dry January and the positive
Speaker 1: effects that we're actually seeing. And it's really encouraging for
Speaker 1: the movement, not just for the month itself, but for
Speaker 1: the long term effects of actually just going cold turkey
Speaker 1: for a month.
Speaker 2: How many people continue after Januer saying, you know, I
Speaker 2: feel pretty good, I don't need the alcohol.
Speaker 10: So it's a significant amount. And it's not necessarily like
Speaker 10: going completely sober, we don't see that so much, but
Speaker 10: it is a huge curb on the drinking.
Speaker 1: So you know what doing a dry January does. It
Speaker 1: tells you a few things. One you can reflect on it.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the most important things I tell people,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, don't just do the act. Think
Speaker 1: about how you felt before, and then document how you
Speaker 1: feel afterwards, because you'll see the benefits. And if you
Speaker 1: don't reflect on it, you may see it and you
Speaker 1: may just say, you know, this is just one month
Speaker 1: in my life and go back to your usual habits.
Speaker 1: What people find is by doing a month of dry January,
Speaker 1: feeling better, they're sleeping better, they're like having better social connections,
Speaker 1: and you know, they're losing weight. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: ton of effects to work this, and people realize if
Speaker 1: they reflect on it and curb their drinking. So maybe
Speaker 1: you know, you're doing two drinks a night, or two
Speaker 1: drinks a few times a night, and maybe it's down
Speaker 1: to two drinks once a week, which any cutdown is beneficial.
Speaker 2: Is there a benefit to alcohol, I'm sorry, is there
Speaker 2: a benefit to alcohol specifically wine? You know, you hear
Speaker 2: about the Mediterranean diet and the French and they drink
Speaker 2: a lot of wine and the health and is that
Speaker 2: bonc or is there a certain amount of alcohol that
Speaker 2: actually is helpful?
Speaker 1: So I know, the studies keep going back and forth,
Speaker 1: and you know, we get conflicting evidence, which makes it
Speaker 1: r The current stance in science is that there is
Speaker 1: no health benefit to drinking alcohol. So no alcohol is
Speaker 1: better than any at all. Uh And and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's subject to change, but I kind of believe
Speaker 1: for myself someone who you know, It's not like I
Speaker 1: was binging or anything, but I was drinking more than
Speaker 1: I do now. And it just took a couple of
Speaker 1: changes and now I'm like you, I'm drinking maybe one
Speaker 1: night a week. It's that and at that it would
Speaker 1: be like a drink or two max and h seeing
Speaker 1: that has has confirmed my bliss.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're out three or four nights a week,
Speaker 2: that's that's a problem, unless you know, you're in college.
Speaker 2: I think you get to pass up until grad school.
Speaker 2: Then after that it's probably time to take that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff seriously. But if in the thing, you kind
Speaker 2: of probably want to admit to yourself, hey, I'm probably
Speaker 2: drinking more nights than I should be. If I can
Speaker 2: cut that back down to you know, one or two,
Speaker 2: how much is how much? Is the way you said?
Speaker 2: You know, no alcohol is you know, the best, but
Speaker 2: I think you know, a little whe or red wine
Speaker 2: something like that, it's probably pretty good for you. You know,
Speaker 2: you start chugging handles of Jack Daniels, you got problems.
Speaker 1: Exactly, you know, And I'm I'm not one to say,
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely cut it out of your life, no
Speaker 1: questions asked, you know, there is a point to drinking.
Speaker 1: Sometimes there is a social connection and something that happens
Speaker 1: when you when you're sharing drinks with friends. Sure, but
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, no more than once or
Speaker 1: twice a week and you'll you'll be better off. And
Speaker 1: even that again, limiting your alcohol consumption will help you
Speaker 1: in in a ton of ways.
Speaker 10: And it's been shown scientist.
Speaker 2: Let's get into those things that that show up that
Speaker 2: just one month of dry January, no drinking and dry January,
Speaker 2: what does that do for you? What are the benefits?
Speaker 10: Yeah, so one of the main things that you know,
Speaker 10: you and I talked about it on our very first segment,
Speaker 10: which is sleep. A lot of people drink alcohol too
Speaker 10: before they go to bed and they say, you know,
Speaker 10: it helps me sleep, and there is some truth to that.
Speaker 1: It helps you get to sleep. The problem is you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't stay asleep, so you get this four hour
Speaker 1: rebound effect where the alcohol goes away and suddenly your
Speaker 1: brain is more wired than.
Speaker 10: When you went to bed.
Speaker 1: And so you know, if you're waking up in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night because of alcohol, there's the alcohol
Speaker 1: is the reason for that. The other thing we see
Speaker 1: is that you don't get rem sleep when you drink alcohol,
Speaker 1: or you get very minimal rem sleep, So while you
Speaker 1: fall asleep, and you fall asleep quickly, you don't get
Speaker 1: that quality sleep that helps you restore, helps you forward
Speaker 1: memories and do all the stuff that happens during your
Speaker 1: dream state, which is essential for not just you know, happiness,
Speaker 1: but also helps So sleep is the main thing.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, Yeah, I was gonna say. It's Sanjay Scheva Crimani.
Speaker 2: He's the our physician also a resident health and fitness
Speaker 2: guy on the show. And first segment you were talking
Speaker 2: about drive January and a lot of people are getting
Speaker 2: on this bandwagon by the thousands, especially your millennials and
Speaker 2: gen zers, older gen zers, I guess I should say,
Speaker 2: are getting on this bandwagon just for a month to
Speaker 2: see how it feels. And then remarkably people go back
Speaker 2: back to those habits that don't make them feel well.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think, like we're saying anything in
Speaker 2: moderation is pretty good. We're talking about the effects of
Speaker 2: that though, and what you know, going dry for an
Speaker 2: entire month is going to do for your body, sleep
Speaker 2: being one, what else.
Speaker 1: The other things the things that come out of sleep
Speaker 1: directly would be your mood and energy levels. So people
Speaker 1: feel better, they have more energy to do the things
Speaker 1: they want, and especially in a dreary month like January,
Speaker 1: that will help you.
Speaker 10: So things that come out of sleep.
Speaker 1: The other things we see is weight loss, and you
Speaker 1: can imagine, you know, the term empty calories. I just
Speaker 1: kind of heard it, but I didn't know what it meant.
Speaker 1: But basically, there's no nutritional value in alcohol, but it
Speaker 1: has a ton of calories if you look at at
Speaker 1: a bottle or if you're having a sugary cocktail or
Speaker 1: something like that, it adds up quickly. And so people
Speaker 1: find that they lose about three to five pounds if
Speaker 1: they do drive January on average, And so that's a
Speaker 1: pretty significant thing, especially when you know we start the
Speaker 1: year and we all want to be healthier, et cetera.
Speaker 1: That would be a huge way to get there, is
Speaker 1: just limiting those empty calories that aren't doing anything for you.
Speaker 1: The other thing we see, uh, you know other things anyway,
Speaker 1: would be a drop in blood pressure that seemed kind
Speaker 1: of across the board, uh, and then liver problems. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting.
Speaker 10: A lot of us have what we call fatty liver disease,
Speaker 10: which is basically as fat deposits, and what they saw
Speaker 10: in these studies is that those amount of fat deposits
Speaker 10: go down in your liver. Fat deposits are important because
Speaker 10: what what they can lead to is liver injury and eventually,
Speaker 10: and this is not to like spook anyone else, but
Speaker 10: you know, it's one of the precursors sometimes for cirrhosis,
Speaker 10: and so that's end stage liver disease. And so any
Speaker 10: any cut back.
Speaker 1: On your alcohol intake will decrease that fat formation in
Speaker 1: your liver. So we see a ton of benefits from
Speaker 1: from dropping alcohol.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hear about that fatty liver thing that that's concerning,
Speaker 2: and that is from drinking out of that diet, and
Speaker 2: lack exercise too contributes to its.
Speaker 10: All of the above.
Speaker 1: So you know, you have non alcoholic fatty liver disease
Speaker 1: and then you have the alcoholic type. And so what
Speaker 1: we find is that you know, alcohol does lead to it,
Speaker 1: but also obesity and being overweight can lead to it too,
Speaker 1: just because of insulin resistance. And so there are many
Speaker 1: ways to get a fatty liver, but alcohol certainly doesn't.
Speaker 10: Help and probably it leads to a lot of the cases.
Speaker 2: This is the time of year of people focus on
Speaker 2: diet and exercise and okay, drive j anywhere. Can you
Speaker 2: do too much?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 2: Can It's like, hey, I'm gonna diet and it's dry
Speaker 2: January and I got I'm gonna start exercising and you
Speaker 2: start loading that up on your plate. Should you just
Speaker 2: pick one of the three or more?
Speaker 1: Whatever? Whatever you can sustain is always the best. Like,
Speaker 1: it is possible to go too hard just for your brain. No,
Speaker 1: health wise, no, it's not a thing. And that comes
Speaker 1: with a disclaimer. If you do drink moderate to severe
Speaker 1: amount of alcohol, I'm talking like three or four drinks
Speaker 1: a day or more, I would consult a health professional
Speaker 1: before you go cold turkey. That's why risk, because the
Speaker 1: risks of alcohol withdrawal are very high. The other, you know,
Speaker 1: the other thing to your point is, uh, it's hard
Speaker 1: to it's hard to make change. And so if you've
Speaker 1: never tried, you know, improving your health before, I would
Speaker 1: recommend doing one thing now. This may be the thing
Speaker 1: for you, especially if if you're drinking, you know, three
Speaker 1: plus times a week. Just dropping that.
Speaker 10: Again, better sleep leads to better health, Uh, at least
Speaker 10: a better mood.
Speaker 1: It leads to better social connections, and just try it
Speaker 1: out and see again. Like we were talking about before
Speaker 1: the break, the benefits of habit formation. You know, it's
Speaker 1: great if you can find a health habit, but it
Speaker 1: takes about three weeks to even start forming those connections
Speaker 1: in your brain. So that's the beauty of doing dry
Speaker 1: January fair an entire month because you can start building
Speaker 1: those habits and that ability to say no, I won't
Speaker 1: drink tonight and showing yourself the benefits of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fascinating because you know, you start
Speaker 2: to feel better, you notice those changes, and one may ask, well,
Speaker 2: why don't you keep You tend to fall back into
Speaker 2: the same pattern. No, I think, and you know, for
Speaker 2: the next eleven months you try to make up for
Speaker 2: the one month where you didn't drive.
Speaker 1: It's definitely possible to have that rebound, which is that
Speaker 1: reason of building those good habits and even the habit
Speaker 1: again of saying no or not sharing it. Now there's
Speaker 1: there's all these things that have been kind of set
Speaker 1: up for success for drand dry January. Where we lived
Speaker 1: right now at this time in history, and our beautiful city.
Speaker 1: You know, a ton of restaurants out there and bars
Speaker 1: now have mocktails, so you have another option if you
Speaker 1: don't want to drink alcohol. You know, if you if
Speaker 1: you name it, Homemakers is one of them that just
Speaker 1: prides themselves on their mocktails. Sundry Advice does it too,
Speaker 1: but almost every restaurant is doing mocktails, and so there
Speaker 1: are other options. And then if you know, I've had
Speaker 1: the Athletic Brewing, which is an alcoholic beer I don't
Speaker 1: even like I PAS, and their non alcoholic i PA
Speaker 1: is amazing, And so you know, there's there's a ton
Speaker 1: of options out there. The other thing is we have
Speaker 1: leaders in the industry of food and wine and drink
Speaker 1: that are you know, telling telling their alcohol story and
Speaker 1: talking about how they've achieved sobriety, Jose Salazar being one
Speaker 1: of them. And so you have leaders in our community
Speaker 1: that are speaking about the benefit of stopping alcohol intake.
Speaker 1: And so that's that's leading into it too. And then
Speaker 1: again more and more people are doing it's now socially
Speaker 1: acceptable to not drink alcohol, which I don't think was
Speaker 1: the case you know twenty years ago. You know, you
Speaker 1: get made fun of or people would be like, are
Speaker 1: you pregnant? And even if you're a guy, you know,
Speaker 1: and now it's much more socially acceptable, and that's it's
Speaker 1: created a better, better society.
Speaker 9: For all of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it makes sense at this time of the year.
Speaker 2: As I mentioned the confluence of diet, exercise, not drinking,
Speaker 2: all these things. If you make this part of a
Speaker 2: fast let's pivot to that real quick here too, because
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people at first the year
Speaker 2: they start a I got to clean up after the holidays,
Speaker 2: they had a couple of weeks off and I feel
Speaker 2: like crap, and I've got to reset my metabolism, my brain.
Speaker 2: Where are you on fasting? Does it actually work? And
Speaker 2: what you should What should you do if you're contemplating.
Speaker 1: It's tough. I know a lot of people who have
Speaker 1: had success with it. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: a lot of people say that the fasting its main
Speaker 1: effect is that it's hard to eat all your caloric
Speaker 1: intake in one day. I'll be honest, I don't know
Speaker 1: all the data on it, and I know it gets
Speaker 1: down to a lot of minutia that I don't bother
Speaker 1: myself with. I mean, I'm still a simple guy who
Speaker 1: says calories in versus calories out.
Speaker 10: And there's you know, there's there's layers on top of that.
Speaker 1: Of the type of food you're bringing in, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And I just I try to be I try to
Speaker 1: live with a cleaner diet these days than I used to.
Speaker 1: For a while there, I was eating onhealthy and a
Speaker 1: lot of like inflammatory foods, and now I'm introducing more
Speaker 1: fiber and nutrient rich foods to my diet and less
Speaker 1: processed stuff. As far as you know, it is possible
Speaker 1: to go too hard, and you know, if you're intimently fasting,
Speaker 1: it might work for you, it's really hard to maintain
Speaker 1: that long term. And so like with anything, I say,
Speaker 1: do what makes you feel better that you can maintain forever,
Speaker 1: as opposed to going hard and really clunging yourself and
Speaker 1: maybe seeing some benefits. But then when it's done, like
Speaker 1: you talked about, when it's done in February or whenever
Speaker 1: you decide to stop that process, you don't rebound and
Speaker 1: go crazy and you know, eat everything under the sun.
Speaker 1: So small changes are more important that you can sustain
Speaker 1: than one massive change that is just going to be
Speaker 1: a flash.
Speaker 10: In the pan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard success. People get older, you know, inflammatory disease,
Speaker 2: everything starts hurting, and as soon as you clean your
Speaker 2: diet up or fast for a while, you start to
Speaker 2: feel better. You know, you go into what's called katosis,
Speaker 2: where you're burning your fat basically you know, very low
Speaker 2: carbohydrates if any. But there's a certain benefit that mentally
Speaker 2: and physically as well. But of course you know, you
Speaker 2: can't fast for thirty straight days. There's a reasonable amount
Speaker 2: of time you should you should subject your body to that.
Speaker 2: So and then gradually introduce reintroduce foods that there are
Speaker 2: maybe less inflammatory. So as you get older, that definitely
Speaker 2: is that when you're younger, but you're older, everything hurts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there are Resilience is huge when we're
Speaker 1: when we're young. And then it starts to say that
Speaker 1: you and I have experienced. I'll say I did the
Speaker 1: Whole thirty diet, which is anti inflammatory and no alcohol.
Speaker 1: I did that for a January a few years ago,
Speaker 1: and the things I learned from that I took with me.
Speaker 1: Did I you know, do I go Whole thirty all
Speaker 1: the time?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: But do I see the things and the potential benefits
Speaker 1: and stopping alcohol and being more mindful about the food
Speaker 1: that I'm putting in my body. Yes, and so it's
Speaker 1: do it over time. The more you do it, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's almost like stopping any bad habit. Reflect on it,
Speaker 1: see how it makes you feel. You will probably you know,
Speaker 1: fail and even if you you know, if you do
Speaker 1: drive January back to that and you start you have
Speaker 1: a drink or to either in January, they're calling it
Speaker 1: damp January, where you like.
Speaker 10: Maybe slip up. It's better then, It's better than just
Speaker 10: you know, drinking every day or going back. It's okay.
Speaker 1: We're human after all, and it's okay to slip up
Speaker 1: every now and then, no matter what, you're doing your
Speaker 1: body a favor by decreasing your.
Speaker 2: Alcoholic Sonja Schewercramani is an er doctor here in Cincinnati
Speaker 2: and he comes on the show Thursday mornings. It's not
Speaker 2: just doctor stuff, it's health, food, fitness all that. He's
Speaker 2: at Dine Well Doc and we'll talk next Thursday. Appreciate
Speaker 2: the time, Be well.
Speaker 10: Thanks loaning YouTube Well.
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Speaker 2: what's happening in Minnesota and that horrific set of events,
Speaker 2: and hard to believe it is only the eighth day
Speaker 2: of the new year. Every day there's something more we
Speaker 2: got it. We need to I think a new year reset,
Speaker 2: if you will. Other stuff going on includes, of course
Speaker 2: the battle over healthcare too, and we recently had a
Speaker 2: government shutdown that illustrated the silliness, absurdity with poult that
Speaker 2: we tolerate in this country right now, certainly in America.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people still come here for
Speaker 2: health care renowned for research and development, and there's a
Speaker 2: lot of vesture in that. So you know, certainly the
Speaker 2: system is broken. It's not completely broken or it can't
Speaker 2: be fixed. But we're back to that critical issue of
Speaker 2: healthcare and getting people covered. On that is doctor Peter
Speaker 2: Cowie on the show this morning, How you been.
Speaker 9: Scott, Thanks for having me and I appreciate the invitation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think this is extremely relevant now that
Speaker 2: we fight over healthcare subsidies and you know, you know,
Speaker 2: there are a number of Americans that are dependent upon
Speaker 2: that and working people who are working multiple jobs in
Speaker 2: order to try and survive today, and they need healthcare.
Speaker 2: It's not provided by their employer, and so ACA fills
Speaker 2: that void. They get high scores for that. But you know,
Speaker 2: to act like somehow it makes it affordable, it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Because the tremendous amount of subsidy that's at stake here,
Speaker 2: you continue to subsidize things, it distorts what the costs
Speaker 2: really are, and it really it just glosses over a
Speaker 2: broken system them in that regard, doesn't it absolutely.
Speaker 9: You know, we have two populations that are at risk here.
Speaker 9: One is obviously the uninsured, but there's a gigantic proportion
Speaker 9: of our population who are underinsured, so they have to
Speaker 9: pay large deductibles, they have to pay a lot of
Speaker 9: out of pocket expenses when they seek medical care. Those
Speaker 9: are the people who are really at risk here. And
Speaker 9: of course, with the reduction in the subsidies, their premiums
Speaker 9: look like they're going to.
Speaker 10: Go through the roof.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we have lawmakers breaking away. I mean, Taylor
Speaker 2: Green from Georgia's just saying, look, listen, you know I've
Speaker 2: got family members that rely on subsidies on the Affordable
Speaker 2: Care Act in order to provide they're working a few jobs.
Speaker 2: I have family members that are like that right now.
Speaker 2: You know, this isn't like us against them and we
Speaker 2: might you know, it's because it's Obamacare. It must be destroyed.
Speaker 2: It's propping up a broken in defunct system, and something
Speaker 2: needs to be done because the future is not looking bright.
Speaker 2: And you're right about that in failure to treat what
Speaker 2: this really means for ordinary families as things continue the
Speaker 2: way they are. The broad picture on this, though, doctor
Speaker 2: Cowie is Here's what I don't understand, right, is that
Speaker 2: we have a not a good system was is with
Speaker 2: Medicare and Medicaid and the Affordable Character and Obamacare and
Speaker 2: things are being popped up and subsidized and it's ugly
Speaker 2: and it doesn't work the other side of it, I
Speaker 2: don't see many ideas come out of the Republicans though,
Speaker 2: when it comes to a better solution for this other
Speaker 2: than well, you know, it's socialized medicine and we can't
Speaker 2: have that. What's the solution.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so you're entirely correct, we can't. We have a
Speaker 9: patchwork system right now, we have people trying to get
Speaker 9: health insurance in several different directions, and as we've already said,
Speaker 9: at very high cost. It really is going to come down, unfortunately,
Speaker 9: to a debate about whether we should as a country,
Speaker 9: as a civilization here, but just say everybody has to
Speaker 9: have affordable healthcare, and in whatever form that's going to take.
Speaker 9: You've heard the term medicare for all. That may be
Speaker 9: a little bit large in terms of how much that
Speaker 9: would cost and whether it could be implemented. But the
Speaker 9: truth of the matter is that until we get to
Speaker 9: the point that we all agree that this is not
Speaker 9: a luxury, this is a necessity that we need to
Speaker 9: provide affordable healthcare for all of our citizens. Until we
Speaker 9: grasp that concept, I'm afraid that the system is not
Speaker 9: going to get fixed.
Speaker 2: In the Isey the overwriting story here regards of where
Speaker 2: you stand politically on this, the fact is it doesn't.
Speaker 2: I think everyone agrees in Republican Democrats know that it
Speaker 2: doesn't work the way it is, and it's something has
Speaker 2: to give because we spend what twice as much per
Speaker 2: person on healthcare as other countries who are wealthy, and
Speaker 2: something like thirteen thous or thirteen grand per person annually
Speaker 2: spend on healthcare, and a lot of those people don't
Speaker 2: use healthcare. We're talking about younger people who don't use
Speaker 2: healthcare as much as older people do. And we're not
Speaker 2: getting any better outcomes. Number one one cause of personal
Speaker 2: bankruptcy medical bills. That's no future for a that's still
Speaker 2: a recipe for future success. I should say.
Speaker 9: Now, we're spending four and a half trillion dollars a
Speaker 9: year on healthcare in the United States, projected in twenty
Speaker 9: thirty five to be closer to nine trillion dollars on healthcare,
Speaker 9: and yet, as you just said, and I completely agree,
Speaker 9: we sit at the bottom in ranks of civilized countries
Speaker 9: in terms of almost any healthcare outcome measure you want
Speaker 9: to use, infant mortality, life expectancy. It is not a
Speaker 9: system that's working.
Speaker 10: But we have the recently.
Speaker 9: You're preamble by the way, I really appreciate it, because you're.
Speaker 10: Right, you know you can.
Speaker 9: The glass isn't completely empty half empty. There's a lot
Speaker 9: of really good things about our healthcare system. The problem
Speaker 9: is access.
Speaker 10: The problem is allowing people to get into the system
Speaker 10: so that they can take advantage of this wonderful technology
Speaker 10: and innovation that we have here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw the murder of the CEO of United
Speaker 2: Healthcare and the reaction that I saw from a number
Speaker 2: of people sickening that we're celebrating the death of the
Speaker 2: CEO of a company like he is the one driving
Speaker 2: this problem people. And I get it, you know, it's
Speaker 2: a metaphor for the system that's broken. But I don't
Speaker 2: understand celebrating someone's assassination basically is what happened here? What
Speaker 2: does that tell you about where we're in and how
Speaker 2: much of that has to do? And I get it.
Speaker 2: You know, insurance companies and insurers they stand the most
Speaker 2: to gain by well what the democrats want. A lot
Speaker 2: of this money is going to go to UH. If
Speaker 2: you subsidize anything, what happens is you just it just
Speaker 2: costs you more. College is a great example. You know,
Speaker 2: we subsidize college. Everyone has to go to college free
Speaker 2: college money grants tuition on the thing, and college is
Speaker 2: raised it. Okay, we'll just going to charge more because
Speaker 2: more people have its more money and it's artificial till
Speaker 2: you have to pay it. The same thing is true here,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 9: Yeah? I agree entirely would you song with the reaction
Speaker 9: to that unfortunate event is how angry people are. I
Speaker 9: think what you saw was a reflection of their frustration
Speaker 9: and their anger with dealing with healthcare insurance companies that
Speaker 9: they really don't care about you. I mean, they've advertise
Speaker 9: on television how much they care, and the truth of
Speaker 9: the matter is they don't. I don't know if you
Speaker 9: saw recently, Scott, that a number of companies, including Medicare
Speaker 9: as well, are now going to go to pre certification
Speaker 9: done by artificial intelligence.
Speaker 10: Now think about that.
Speaker 9: Think about that your doctor orders a test and some
Speaker 9: computer is going to make a decision as to whether
Speaker 9: or not.
Speaker 10: You can get that test done or not.
Speaker 9: I mean, that's the level of the absurdity that's going
Speaker 9: on with pre certification, for example, or denials of care.
Speaker 9: And in the book as failure to treat their numerous
Speaker 9: examples in the stories about people who suffered really severe
Speaker 9: harm because of what happens with their medical insurance system
Speaker 9: as it currently exists.
Speaker 6: Oh, you don't have to.
Speaker 2: Look far to find those examples that you know, the
Speaker 2: things that you think are covered, and they try to
Speaker 2: find a way not to cover it. Or you know,
Speaker 2: it's almost a It's hard enough when your child, for example,
Speaker 2: as you know doctor Cowie is ill and you're trying
Speaker 2: to get them treatment for something like pediatric cancer, heart
Speaker 2: or some sort of serious illness like that, and then
Speaker 2: you're waging a war with the insurance company on top
Speaker 2: of that. It seems punitive.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and don't don't believe that the doctors aren't advocating.
Speaker 9: I mean, my office spends almost a full fte just
Speaker 9: dealing with insurance companies to get certification for procedures. And
Speaker 9: they put you on hold for a couple of hours
Speaker 9: and you have to wait there until they've decided to
Speaker 9: come on the phone. And then when they deny something,
Speaker 9: you have to go into a complicated system of trying
Speaker 9: to appeal to appeal the decision, and you have to
Speaker 9: go up in the ladder to what they call a
Speaker 9: peer review and talk to somebody who may not even
Speaker 9: be in your specialty to make a decision about coverage.
Speaker 9: So the system is rotten. Okay, it's a rotten system.
Speaker 10: And unfortunately we've adapted to a tried to live with it.
Speaker 9: But it has to it has to change.
Speaker 2: Well, we've heard that for a long time, though, What
Speaker 2: is going to be the change agent here? Is it
Speaker 2: going to be one extreme case, one extreme example, kind
Speaker 2: of like you know, when we have a terror attack,
Speaker 2: everything changed after nine to eleven. Do we need like
Speaker 2: a medical nine to eleven to occur? And what would
Speaker 2: that look like?
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, you know, I wondered.
Speaker 9: I've wondered this myself. You know, I used to think
Speaker 9: that when the Sandy Hook shootings occurred and all those
Speaker 9: children were massacred, that that was going to stimulate change
Speaker 9: in the gun laws. And it didn't. Uh, it almost
Speaker 9: rised the level of absurdity of what you need to
Speaker 9: do to convince legislators. And that's where this has to
Speaker 9: come from. Right, We need we need major changes in
Speaker 9: our regulation of insurance companies and laws. What's it going
Speaker 9: to take to get these people off the dime and
Speaker 9: make them understand that we need to move forward and
Speaker 9: make the system better.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I thought of the Sandy Hook allerg
Speaker 2: but I don't know if I entirely agree that because
Speaker 2: there you have, Okay, you have a second amendment, we
Speaker 2: have second membright to arm ourselves and that is a
Speaker 2: I don't think European countries understand the second amoment, how
Speaker 2: powerful it is and what you can do. And we
Speaker 2: put a lot of laws in place to again keep
Speaker 2: guns on the hands of criminals, but also impacts most
Speaker 2: most people don't guns, are law abiding citizens. And there's
Speaker 2: also a mental health component. Use a physician know that,
Speaker 2: and you know what about people who commit domestic violence acts?
Speaker 2: And well, we have HIPPA, but we can't disclose. And
Speaker 2: when you fill out your federal firearms form, you know
Speaker 2: you may have mental health issues, but you're not going
Speaker 2: to admit it, or maybe you don't know what you
Speaker 2: think the rest of the world's crazy and you're normal
Speaker 2: and you go, yeah, I'm perfectly fine. And then they
Speaker 2: go on a mass shooting. But there's none of that
Speaker 2: in play here. You don't have that. But when you
Speaker 2: have both sides agreeing right that the healthcare system is
Speaker 2: broken needs to be fixed, there's no hey, there's an
Speaker 2: amendment that says you're not entitled to healthcare, or there's
Speaker 2: no opposition this. We all agree in the same thing,
Speaker 2: and yet we can't do anything to me. That's the
Speaker 2: most frustrating part about this.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I completely agree that they're not now necessarily and now.
Speaker 9: I guess, however, think about this that the Republicans are
Speaker 9: denying the fact right now, they're denying the fact that
Speaker 9: cutting Medicaid and Medicare in the big beautiful bill. They're
Speaker 9: denying the fact that that is going to cause a
Speaker 9: disaster in American medicine when everybody knows that it's going
Speaker 9: to hospitals.
Speaker 10: Are already teeter tottering right.
Speaker 9: I mean, the majority of hospitalsiness country are operating in
Speaker 9: the red. Seventeen percent of hospitals last year either bankrupted
Speaker 9: or came close to bankruptcy. And these are royal hospitals,
Speaker 9: creating these healthcare deserts. I mean, if the Medicaid thing
Speaker 9: goes in to effect and the hospitals can no longer
Speaker 9: rely on that revenue, it could actually be a complete catastrophe,
Speaker 9: and the Republicans need to know that, but they're they're
Speaker 9: in denial.
Speaker 2: Would that be the medical nine eleven we're talking about?
Speaker 9: I think absolutely, Scott, that could be the disaster that
Speaker 9: finally which people up. But the problem is that once
Speaker 9: it happens, yeah, getting reversing it it may take years
Speaker 9: and people are going to die.
Speaker 10: Because of it.
Speaker 2: I have a family in rural Ohio. You listening, you
Speaker 2: might have that as well, or like at least you
Speaker 2: know someone because you know, we're in a big city.
Speaker 2: We're in Cincinnati, Ohio. We have Columbus, we have Cleveland.
Speaker 2: We have mid sized cities like Dayton and Toledo and
Speaker 2: elsewhere in our listening area. But the bulk of all
Speaker 2: eighty eight counties are pretty rural in Ohio. And I've
Speaker 2: seen firsthand clinics and hospitals closed because they just don't
Speaker 2: have the people coming in and can't afford the staffing
Speaker 2: and everything, all the compliance and everything else in order
Speaker 2: to operate a modern hospital. There's just it's not profitable.
Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people cringe at the
Speaker 2: states taking over health care, but I don't know, can
Speaker 2: this be? And we tell you, yeah, I look, I go,
Speaker 2: all right, well, we know healthcare. We've seen hospitals clothes
Speaker 2: in rural areas. It's happening as we speak right now.
Speaker 2: It doesn't get to play simply because it's flyover country.
Speaker 2: People lose all their healthcare, they lose all hope. At
Speaker 2: that point, we're gonna have people eyeing of things that
Speaker 2: were easily fixable just weeks and months and years ago
Speaker 2: as opposed to to right now and at some point
Speaker 2: that it's going to come to a tipping point, because
Speaker 2: you're right, these hospitals can't run profitable. But you look,
Speaker 2: listen to this can go oad a minute. If every man, woman,
Speaker 2: a child, we're spending like thirteen thousand dollars plus on
Speaker 2: average for our healthcare system. We were it's not that
Speaker 2: we're not spending money. Where's the money going?
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well, it's going into the pockets of
Speaker 10: people like in private equity, for example, they've taken over
Speaker 10: a lot of these hospital systems and managed to bankrupt
Speaker 10: them and close them for profit. But if you recall
Speaker 10: in the book A Failure to Treat, there's a story
Speaker 10: about a baby and a parents who were trying to
Speaker 10: get their baby to a hospital in a rural early
Speaker 10: This is an affluent couple. This isn't just about this
Speaker 10: isn't just about an indigen people. This is everybody trying.
Speaker 9: To get their baby to a hospital. And when they
Speaker 9: pull up to the emergency room, the hospital had closed
Speaker 9: and they ended up having another driv another twenty five
Speaker 9: miles to get to a hospital. By the time they
Speaker 9: got there, they was beyond fixing and died and that
Speaker 9: these are true stories. This is a true story of
Speaker 9: what can happen in our healthcare system.
Speaker 10: And you're right.
Speaker 9: If that starts happening on a big, high level.
Speaker 10: Big scale, it could be.
Speaker 9: It could be the Armygeddon that you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I get the private equity element too, but
Speaker 2: they come in and go, hey, listen, you know you're
Speaker 2: not profitable, Well, we'll buy a stake, we'll buy you out,
Speaker 2: we'll take you And of course they're about squeezing the
Speaker 2: last remaining dollars out there. And that is the nature
Speaker 2: of how our enterprises, the conditions in which we engage
Speaker 2: in America today, of course, is capitalism. And that's the
Speaker 2: ugly side of it, to be sure. But you know,
Speaker 2: it used to be a government be kind of like
Speaker 2: a referee in these things, and that's long since gone
Speaker 2: away with modern politics the way it is. He is
Speaker 2: doctor Peter Cowi. He's a cardiologist, public health expert. Failure
Speaker 2: to treat as the book and where things are headed
Speaker 2: here with our broken healthcare system that both Republicans and
Speaker 2: Democrats agree on, it's broken and has to change. There's
Speaker 2: got to be a change age in company. He believes
Speaker 2: it's going to be more healthcare deserts, meaning rural hospital
Speaker 2: shutting down and people dying, uh, largely from trauma. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're telling me that people can literally bleed out because
Speaker 2: there's no physician or emergency room to treat them in
Speaker 2: a rural area. And we're talking about people who are
Speaker 2: farmers a lot of agricultural areas. And as we take
Speaker 2: the information super Highway and put it more rural areas
Speaker 2: because of the technology, well we'll see people who have
Speaker 2: met in a motor vehicle accident or you know, cut
Speaker 2: themselves of the saw that wind up dying, is what
Speaker 2: you're saying, when just a few weeks ago they could
Speaker 2: go to the clinic and get sutured up. That's kind
Speaker 2: of and it's like an almost third world It sounds like, uh.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, you know there are many areas you're write about,
Speaker 9: absolutely right about trauma. Think about obstetrical obstetrical care. How
Speaker 9: many hospitals not they might not necessarily closed, but they've
Speaker 9: closed their obstetrical programs, so women have no place to
Speaker 9: deliver their baby. And and there's many reasons for that.
Speaker 9: For the reasons we just discussed. There's there are financial issues,
Speaker 9: but there's also liability. Now doctors are not going into obstetrics.
Speaker 9: We have a severe shortage of obstetrical physicians in the
Speaker 9: United States, especially in.
Speaker 10: The West and the Midwest.
Speaker 9: And so you're a woman, you're going to deliver your baby,
Speaker 9: you have to drive fifty miles to find someplace where
Speaker 9: they'll deliver your baby for you.
Speaker 6: Think about that.
Speaker 2: You can hang on after your water breaks.
Speaker 9: Right, I mean, it's insane, but that's exactly what's happening.
Speaker 9: And the thing that's really maddening about this is that
Speaker 9: the public does occasionally take notice of this stuff, but
Speaker 9: they hadn't risen up to the extent that I thought
Speaker 9: that they might. And the book is really kind of
Speaker 9: a clarion call for people, the.
Speaker 10: Public as well as practitioners to speak up, to talk
Speaker 10: to their legislators, to make sure that they understand that
Speaker 10: this is an initiative they really have to deal with.
Speaker 2: He's doctor Peter Cowey's cardiologists public health expert. The book
Speaker 2: is a failure to treat and what things look like
Speaker 2: maybe in a not so future dystopian future for that matter,
Speaker 2: it sounds it's just dope being to me and like
Speaker 2: the stuff of movies. But this is reality. If things
Speaker 2: continue to go the way they are, the question is
Speaker 2: who wakes up and says, all right, we got to
Speaker 2: blow this thing up. You know, government subsidized healthcare costs
Speaker 2: way more money, and tell me, subsidize something. It becomes
Speaker 2: grossly more inefficient and really doesn't help those who would
Speaker 2: serve to help, because, let's face it, the insurance companies,
Speaker 2: the middle men, are the ones taking the money from
Speaker 2: the government here as the holdout continues on the other side,
Speaker 2: if we just go, well, you know what, we can't
Speaker 2: have socialized medicine. Well what's your alternative?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: Nothing. Maybe the simple solution is as simply, and I've
Speaker 2: said this for a long time, the easiest thing to
Speaker 2: be doctor Cowie would be to take away the burden
Speaker 2: for providers like yourself. Imagine if you don't have to
Speaker 2: employ an entire team behind the scenes for medical billing, coding, Medicare,
Speaker 2: Medicaid and all that nonsense, and just go listen, you
Speaker 2: get sick, here's how much it costs. Pay it or
Speaker 2: get for cast drivic situations, Just get catastrophic insurance and
Speaker 2: pay that much Like you do your homeowners your auto insurance,
Speaker 2: your life insurance. Go to a system like that and
Speaker 2: get your employer the health all of the business providing healthcare.
Speaker 2: I think would solve the problem.
Speaker 9: I think what you're suggesting has tremendous merit, and there
Speaker 9: are many people who believe that you're correct. That we've
Speaker 9: created an infrastructure of health insurance companies, administrators. We have
Speaker 9: more administrators in our hospital than we have nurses. Yeah,
Speaker 9: to get rid of this gigantic infrastructure that we probably
Speaker 9: don't need and return to some kind of a more
Speaker 9: simplistic approach to payment. And I completely agree with your
Speaker 9: catastrophic insurance for those situations where things get a little
Speaker 9: out of control and you're very ill. But yeah, it's
Speaker 9: going to take people to wake up and have a
Speaker 9: little common sense about this, and hopefully the book and
Speaker 9: your radio program will get people.
Speaker 10: Motivated in the right now.
Speaker 2: All we have to do is eliminate the administrative and
Speaker 2: bureaucratic class that's a problem. It's too big in medical medical,
Speaker 2: it's too big in government, it's too big in schools.
Speaker 2: You name where the problem is, it's because we've got
Speaker 2: a bloated administrative and or credit class. That's the problem.
Speaker 2: All the best doctor luck with the book, Yeah.
Speaker 10: I appreciate it very much.
Speaker 9: Scott, have a good one.
Speaker 2: I've got to get a news update. Aroun a little
Speaker 2: bit late here, very lates on what's happening in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: More tragedy in our lives here. Seven hundred WWT Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: Jeez, the Princess of property, the Queen of closings.
Speaker 6: But touch us out deals. It's realistic time with Michelle Sloan,
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Speaker 10: The bestest Remax time agent I've ever met on seven
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Speaker 6: You'd be, well, you're starting this off on a real
Speaker 6: pleasant you know.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow, well, I won't be here because I have to
Speaker 2: escort you to surgery for your knee. Get your knee
Speaker 2: cleaned up.
Speaker 6: I'm getting a second knee replacement.
Speaker 7: The left one was done six exactly six weeks ago,
Speaker 7: and mister wright Side is going to be.
Speaker 6: Going to be replaced tomorrow. And I be honest, I am.
Speaker 7: I don't know if I'm more nervous about this procedure
Speaker 7: than I was the first one, because the first one
Speaker 7: I did, really I didn't know.
Speaker 6: I knew that we were going in surgery. I knew
Speaker 6: it was going to be serious, but.
Speaker 10: Not that serious.
Speaker 2: It's like legos man. They just snapping and you're out there.
Speaker 6: You're walking around in a major surgery.
Speaker 2: You don't you dismiss its to be a big deal.
Speaker 2: Now it's really not that anymore.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a big deal. It's a big deal when
Speaker 6: it's your leg.
Speaker 7: They're cutting into and taking bones out and crunching things,
Speaker 7: and then you're having weeks and weeks.
Speaker 6: Of pain in your recovery.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, again, pretty blessed because these things
Speaker 2: are fixable. There's plenty of people who are sick and
Speaker 2: it's not fixable. So I will take this, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, kids will lie of the people are here,
Speaker 2: break my chops about this stuff? Are you getting old?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: You gotta go and you have surgery done. It's like
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's like having a car. You hit
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars. You got to get new spark plugs,
Speaker 2: timing chain, diming belts, gotta get done. You gotta let's
Speaker 2: swap out the transmission fluid and it's one hundred thousand miles.
Speaker 9: It's like that.
Speaker 3: That's what this is.
Speaker 7: No, I do feel very blessed because the left knee
Speaker 7: has recovered to a point where for the most part
Speaker 7: it should be able to support me as I recover
Speaker 7: on the right knee.
Speaker 6: But you know, it's it's not without its concerns, and yeah.
Speaker 2: The rehab is a hard part. It's like an and
Speaker 2: I will say you are committed, because normally you give
Speaker 2: up on stuff, but this you've been like, well, no,
Speaker 2: I can't really tenacious about this whole things. Absolutely, All right,
Speaker 2: let's talk real estate related stuff, tiny, tim, what do
Speaker 2: you got?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 7: Well, President Trump gave us some big news, big news
Speaker 7: in the world of real estate yesterday. He announced that
Speaker 7: some of the most aggressive housing reform in American history
Speaker 7: is on the way. He wants to prohibit large institutional
Speaker 7: investors from buying single family homes, saying that you know,
Speaker 7: homes should be owned by people and not corporations. I
Speaker 7: think that's real, really interesting, and I personally find it
Speaker 7: quite fascinating. Now, the one thing is we don't have
Speaker 7: any details. It's just him talking on yeah right when.
Speaker 9: He was on.
Speaker 7: It doesn't mean anything yet, but I do think it has.
Speaker 7: It definitely has some momentum because the stock market definitely
Speaker 7: reacted yesterday. A lot of the Democrats have said, hey,
Speaker 7: we've been telling you that we need to do this
Speaker 7: for many years, so it may have some bipartisan support,
Speaker 7: which would be very very interesting. So the one thing
Speaker 7: is this is this is a quote I am immediately
Speaker 7: taking steps to ban large institutional investors from buying more
Speaker 7: single family homes.
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, I feel it sounds like, yeah, I feel.
Speaker 7: Like the damage is done and the homes that these
Speaker 7: companies are holding, they're going to continue to hold, right,
Speaker 7: And so it's interesting the mega investors, so it doesn't
Speaker 7: look like they're going after he would be going after
Speaker 7: the mom and pop investors, the people that have like
Speaker 7: fifty properties or less. They're looking for the big, the
Speaker 7: big guns. So interestingly enough, there's only thirty two institutional
Speaker 7: investors that own more than a thousand single family properties.
Speaker 7: I find that's interesting. And you know how many properties
Speaker 7: they own?
Speaker 2: Eleventy billion?
Speaker 6: No, only about five hundred thousand across the country.
Speaker 2: Really a lot.
Speaker 6: That's like a drop in the bucket. No, yeah, that's
Speaker 6: not very many.
Speaker 7: So it may not be the impact that all of
Speaker 7: the headlines are saying, because you know, Devil's in the details.
Speaker 6: It always is.
Speaker 7: And it's really interesting because one in three in the
Speaker 7: last year, so in twenty twenty five, one in three
Speaker 7: homes were purchased by investors. But it doesn't mean that
Speaker 7: these mega investors are the ones that are buying these properties.
Speaker 6: It's the people who are.
Speaker 7: Doing the buy and flip, the people that are going
Speaker 7: to hold them and build a small portfolio so that
Speaker 7: they can help pay for their generational wealth. But it
Speaker 7: doesn't necessarily mean it's these big guys. So you're going
Speaker 7: after the big guys and the results interestingly on the
Speaker 7: stock market. So open Door is a company that does
Speaker 7: business in Cincinnati. They buy and sell properties. They're trading
Speaker 7: down eleven and a half percent yesterday. The stocks from
Speaker 7: some of the other big names, Blackstone, Invitation Homes and
Speaker 7: American Homes for Rent. Now, American Homes for Rent has
Speaker 7: a very big presence in the Cincinnati market, especially in Mainville.
Speaker 6: There's a couple of.
Speaker 7: Neighborhoods that have Back in the two thousand and eight
Speaker 7: two thousand and nine we had the crash and we
Speaker 7: had so many people going into foreclosure. American Homes for
Speaker 7: Rent bought a ton I mean hundreds and hundreds of
Speaker 7: properties in our area, and they are continuing to hold
Speaker 7: them and rent them for pretty high prices. And so
Speaker 7: the stocks for American homes for rent was down about
Speaker 7: seven percent yesterday. Now it may bounce back, you know,
Speaker 7: day to day, everything changes. But I find it's really
Speaker 7: I think it's very very fascinating because we always have
Speaker 7: to find a bad guy, and you look for the biggest,
Speaker 7: biggest guys or gals I suppose in the room, and
Speaker 7: you look at the corporations to blame for all of
Speaker 7: the drama and the misdeeds of whoever.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 6: So I think it is very interesting. I think that
Speaker 6: it is something that we're going to watch.
Speaker 7: You know, if it slows down the institutional investors from
Speaker 7: buying more single family homes, will it affect us day
Speaker 7: to day?
Speaker 6: Probably not? Probably not.
Speaker 2: I think what's interesting about a couple of things. First
Speaker 2: of all, the idea of these companies come in Blackstone whatever,
Speaker 2: and it's largely it's private equity, right, private equity. They
Speaker 2: don't want generally don't want to own things long term.
Speaker 2: They want to get their money maker money, turn it,
Speaker 2: chop it up, whatever they do, you know, become vultures essentially,
Speaker 2: and that's but that's the nature. That's part of capitalism.
Speaker 2: They'll come and pick the bones and what's salvageable.
Speaker 9: Is it?
Speaker 2: Kind of like big boy, big Boy on Okay, well,
Speaker 2: what are we gonna keep? The tartar sauce is good? Right,
Speaker 2: we're gonna We're gonna continue to do that. Will sell
Speaker 2: the pumpkin pies and everything else that's a burger. I
Speaker 2: can get that anywhere. So they take what's profitable and
Speaker 2: then turn it around. If they own this stuff right now,
Speaker 2: I would think at some point they're going to wind
Speaker 2: up exiting and getting out of this business, wouldn't they
Speaker 2: if they can't turn a high profit every quarter.
Speaker 7: Yeah, especially since these corporations are stock driven. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 7: holding these properties long term, it could and it may
Speaker 7: put five hundred thousand properties.
Speaker 6: Now this is nationwide. That's nothing. Yeah, it's not very much.
Speaker 7: So if it affects the bottom line, it maybe cheaper
Speaker 7: for them to diversify and go ahead and sell off
Speaker 7: and find a new way, you know, go into more
Speaker 7: of the commercial market rather than the and they may
Speaker 7: already be in that.
Speaker 6: That's just not my expertise.
Speaker 7: I'm in the single family realm for the most part,
Speaker 7: so you know, that's it's it's very very interesting. But
Speaker 7: still one in three homes bought in twenty twenty five
Speaker 7: were purchased by investors. And again it doesn't have to
Speaker 7: be these large institutional ones. And I just I just
Speaker 7: find that it's we're always looking for a scapegoat. We're
Speaker 7: always looking for someone to blame. And you know, the
Speaker 7: big thing that we need is more inventory, and we've
Speaker 7: been saying we need more inventory. The other thing that
Speaker 7: a lot of the prognosticators who are looking at twenty
Speaker 7: twenty six, they're saying the interest rates still need to
Speaker 7: come down a little bit to make the market a
Speaker 7: little bit more balanced. And we have homes that are
Speaker 7: on the market. There are huge opportunities out there for
Speaker 7: people who want to buy a home. I think a
Speaker 7: lot of younger people don't really want to buy a
Speaker 7: home right now, and.
Speaker 2: They want to rent, which opens the opportunity.
Speaker 7: For they don't want the Yeah, a lot of the
Speaker 7: younger people and I'm going to say younger people that
Speaker 7: is thirty and younger, don't want to buy because they
Speaker 7: don't want to a be tied down they don't want
Speaker 7: to have to fix stuff. They don't know how to
Speaker 7: fix stuff, they don't want to learn how to fix stuff.
Speaker 6: They want somebody else to do it.
Speaker 7: And you and you and I both know we have
Speaker 7: fewer people that are around to fix stuff. So we
Speaker 7: have an imbalance in the entire like real estate circle.
Speaker 6: But you know, I don't know it.
Speaker 7: It's an interesting topic of will the you know, saying
Speaker 7: large institutional investors, so.
Speaker 2: They just get well, I think something else to look
Speaker 2: at is, let's let's face it. They came on following
Speaker 2: the two thousand and eight home foreclosure, right the the
Speaker 2: housing crisis that we had, and they came in and
Speaker 2: they swooped in and cheap because you buy cheap, sell high,
Speaker 2: that's how you make money. They bought them. When things
Speaker 2: properties are in distressed, they fix them up. They rented
Speaker 2: them out and increase that portfolio. Okay, so we now
Speaker 2: ban that from happening. What happens if we have another
Speaker 2: housing crash at some point in the future, and then
Speaker 2: who's going to come.
Speaker 10: In and do that?
Speaker 7: And I would rather have and we've talked about this before,
Speaker 7: rather than having a whole bunch of vacant homes. I
Speaker 7: would rather have an investor come in by it and
Speaker 7: have a family living in that home, because if you
Speaker 7: have a vacant home for long periods of time, it
Speaker 7: just gets worse and worse and worse. It brings down
Speaker 7: the entire neighborhood, the entire community. So I would say
Speaker 7: some institutional and some investors actually saved the day back
Speaker 7: in two thousand and eight and two thousand and nine
Speaker 7: when our economy was really having a difficult time and
Speaker 7: the whole real estate interest industry was having you know,
Speaker 7: it was crashed, It had totally crashed, but it was
Speaker 7: because we had too much inventory. The balance was way off.
Speaker 7: Right now, our balance we are in the process of
Speaker 7: rebalancing the market. And by rebalancing the market is you know,
Speaker 7: we need a little bit more inventory guests. We need
Speaker 7: more buyers out there who are approved and able to purchase, and.
Speaker 6: They have to want to purchase.
Speaker 7: You know, if the demand is for rentals, guess what
Speaker 7: that's there are people out there who will provide that service.
Speaker 7: They will provide an opportunity for you to rent. Now,
Speaker 7: it's going to be a high price, and there are
Speaker 7: so many people that are they are renting at twenty
Speaker 7: five hundred dollars a month, three thousand dollars a month,
Speaker 7: and you think that is absolutely crazy because you can
Speaker 7: get a mortgage for that amount, and but you know
Speaker 7: you have to pick and choose. How's your credit were.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're obviously in a renders market that's not
Speaker 2: going to change anything. It time assume people who want
Speaker 2: to rent rather than buy, and there's a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of factors into that. But you know, the other thing
Speaker 2: I look at too is, you know, we talked about
Speaker 2: these big corporations, the genius in the details like anything.
Speaker 2: What is that definition? What what's an institutional builer? Is
Speaker 2: that a publicly Is that only applied to a publicly
Speaker 2: traded company? What if I don't know, you're a local
Speaker 2: person and you own I don't know, a couple hundred
Speaker 2: homes that you're and there's there's people in Cincinnata they're
Speaker 2: doing that. You know, we're not into that that rare
Speaker 2: air ourselves. We got as many as we can handle
Speaker 2: on our own because we're in the real estate business.
Speaker 2: But I look at it going, Okay, well, what does
Speaker 2: that mean for the mom and pop people like us
Speaker 2: that have put sweat equity and all our savings into
Speaker 2: real estate properties and continue to parlay that into more
Speaker 2: properties to a certain point. What does that mean for
Speaker 2: someone like us or you know, the little guy I
Speaker 2: just you know instante here. Oh yeah, it's just the
Speaker 2: big guys a big well. Where do you draw that line?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 6: Is it the number of properties?
Speaker 7: So if you own a thousand, we don't know, more
Speaker 7: so then they're going to own nine hundred nights.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna apply to you, but then
Speaker 2: then again, you never know. And I'll leave with the
Speaker 2: final point on this thing too. Here's a parallel for you.
Speaker 2: When it comes to careful what you wish for, you
Speaker 2: might just get it all right, No, institutional investors, we
Speaker 2: have another market to you know, housing market tanks in
Speaker 2: the future. At some point, what do you do then,
Speaker 2: Who's going to come in and buy stuff at distressed
Speaker 2: prices and turn it around and reset the market. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like we see this ourselves because we own
Speaker 2: a couple town homes that are involved with hoa's and
Speaker 2: it's kind of interest because the hoa's generally made up
Speaker 2: of older residents and they don't like renters for whatever reason.
Speaker 2: And I could see, you know, some some sort of
Speaker 2: distrust there because they're transient, but they don't want to
Speaker 2: so they'll they'll ban you from renting properties in the future.
Speaker 2: The grands father, then they'll do everything to try and
Speaker 2: drive you out of the neighborhood. If your own properties
Speaker 2: at rent, okay, great, we're only going to what happens
Speaker 2: when you have a recession. And okay, so instead of
Speaker 2: someone coming in and renting it and taking care of
Speaker 2: the property, now you have all these vacant properties next
Speaker 2: to you, your neighbors who are quote unquote owners, not renters,
Speaker 2: and they can no longer pay their mortgage and they default.
Speaker 2: That's going to drive your property values down even more
Speaker 2: than the renters. Would you need that in those And
Speaker 2: I think it's very short sighted of a lot of
Speaker 2: people to go, we want no renters in Urha. Well,
Speaker 2: guess what when the market tanks, you're gonna wish you
Speaker 2: had renters.
Speaker 7: Well, and that has that has changed so much in
Speaker 7: the last fifteen years since the stock market crash. So
Speaker 7: many condos and it's really mostly the condos with the
Speaker 7: condo the really strong monthly condo associations where they're banning
Speaker 7: renters because they just don't know who their neighbors are necessarily,
Speaker 7: so it's some of the old.
Speaker 2: Nobody does anymore look in the neighborhood. Now you don't
Speaker 2: know your neighbors are.
Speaker 6: What's the different, right right?
Speaker 7: But now I mean as condos and as properties age,
Speaker 7: the HOA fees have gone up so dramatically over the
Speaker 7: years because the cost of keeping these places updated. So
Speaker 7: it is not uncommon to have an HOA of three
Speaker 7: hundred and fifty dollars a month, plus you.
Speaker 6: Have to pay the mortgage.
Speaker 7: Again, we're going to get to that point where one
Speaker 7: may start to struggle quite a bit because there are
Speaker 7: there are nice ways. There are not nice reasons to
Speaker 7: own a condo because you don't have as much of
Speaker 7: the maintenance that you have to take care of yourself
Speaker 7: on the exterior and that sort of thing. But at
Speaker 7: the same time, can you avoid the mortgage plus an
Speaker 7: additional three hundred and fifty dollars a month for HOA,
Speaker 7: plus the taxes, plus the this and the plus the that.
Speaker 7: So you may find more condos being vacant for longer
Speaker 7: periods of time, and if there again, I feel the
Speaker 7: worst property is one that is not lived in, and
Speaker 7: I would rather one hundred thousand percent have somebody who's
Speaker 7: living in it, whether they're renting it or owning it,
Speaker 7: than having a vacant home next to me, because honestly,
Speaker 7: it's just a call for trouble.
Speaker 2: Right all right, So President Trump saying he wants to
Speaker 2: ban Wall Street investments, institutional investors, and single family homes.
Speaker 2: Will see how this plays out. My wife Michelle Slan
Speaker 2: has more in this at Sloan Sales homes dot com
Speaker 2: and her blog it via YouTube, and of course or's
Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio podcast on iHeartRadio app you can download as well.
Speaker 2: All right, Love you gotta go, gotta go get ready
Speaker 2: for your surgery tomorrow. Yes sir, I don't know what
Speaker 2: that entails, but good luck to you. I'll be home
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