WEBVTT - 1-8-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.440 Do you want to be in a Mexican idiot? 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:09.520 All right, here we go on this very interesting Thursday morning. 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:10.680 We got lots of go on, a lot of moving 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:13.560 parts today. First and foremost, of course, what's happening in 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:17.239 Minnesota as we speak right now with a protest going on. 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:19.560 Of course, the ice agent shooting a thirty seven year 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.079 old individual during a stop, and we still don't know 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:25.319 all the working pieces and what actually happened and what 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:27.560 really transpired. Of course we want know that for some time. 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.600 But the rush to judgment on this whole thing by 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:32.880 both the left and the right has been incredible. Getting 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.080 too this more after nine thirty five here on the 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.120 Scotsland Show on seven hundred WLW, I wanted to circle 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.320 back though, kind of handle some old business here, something 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.479 that happened over the holidays. And typically that's the way 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.960 things are set up. When you want to do something 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:50.479 that's controversial or will upset the appal kart so to speak, 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:52.839 you tend to do it like on a Friday, a weekend. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.520 You do it when many people aren't paying attention. I 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.280 would say doing it a Friday when it's the holidays 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:01.240 is not going to as much attention as it should. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:05.800 I'm talking, of course, about what happened to the CBD 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:10.399 infused beverage ban that Mike de Wine single Bagley took 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:15.399 his line out of Veto powers and killed an entire industry. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.480 And this, of course, are beverages that are sold or 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:23.119 sold anywhein Ohio that contained THC small amounts of it too, 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:25.959 derived of course from CBD, and a lot of people said, hey, 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.640 this is pretty good. We're taking this product, and technically 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.960 it was, yes, a loophole, but a whole industry started 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.520 in what used to be the craft brew industry, and 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.840 a lot of puerveyors were switching over and saying, hey, 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.200 there's a market for this product here. People clearly like it. 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.039 They want more of it, they demanded. And yet the governor, 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:46.919 in some sort of I don't know what, self righteousness 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.840 or knowing better and being in the Naty State killed 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:51.720 this whole thing. Joining the show this morning on seven 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:56.480 hundred WLW is the CEO of Ryan Geisberg right here 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.040 in Cincinnati, Adam Bankovic, Adam, good morning, Welcome. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:01.200 Good morning, Thanks for having me. 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.880 Yeah, I've talked about a lot this with Steve Hoffman. 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:06.800 Of course, you know Steve as well, and talk to 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:11.080 other industry leaders like yourself, Adam, and as far as 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.880 you're concern from Ryan Guis's perspective here, because you guys 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:19.360 are first and foremost the biggest pure veyors of micro 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:21.079 brief you want to call the micro brew at this point, 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.359 it's probably not the missing seeming how you've grown over 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:28.360 the last few years that that's entirely accurate. But how 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.799 much of this is impacting your business or will this 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:31.680 impact your business? 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.840 Sure, absolutely happy to talk about that. I would very 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:37.680 much still classify as the craft brew or the Brew's 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.480 Association definition put this squarely in there. In the craft 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.480 beer industry, while it's grown rapidly over the past few years, 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.120 to your point, has started to slow and cool off dramatically. 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.480 Specifically within the state of Ohio. For the past year, 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.600 craft beer as a category has been down around eight 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:53.240 to nine percent. And it's not the first year we've 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.560 seen the climb in the craft beer industry. So, as 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.040 you pointed out, this is an emerging segment that we've 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:02.000 seen grow rapidly across the country and becoming a real 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.000 part of the marketplace here in Ohio. More recently so, 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.400 Ryan Geist, among many other crap breweries in the state 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.240 of Ohio have looked to it as we know that 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:12.520 we've got lots of consumers in the marketplace that are 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:16.200 asking for these beverages and wanting these beverages, and very clearly, 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.760 not only do those consumers want those, but crap breweries 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.960 are very well set up and established to be able 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.560 to produce them safely, responsibly, and effectively, which is something 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.880 that we're huge advocates for that there is smart, responsible 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:31.720 regulation of this industry, of this marketplace, of these beverages 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.920 to make sure that we're clearly communicating to customers what 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.000 they are, they are only being served to adults twenty 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.040 one and up, and that there's clear regulation in place 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.640 promoting all of that, which is what the Ohio General 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.720 Assembly and Steve Huffman worked so tirelessly on, in my opinion, 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.720 a very great job with SB fifty six creating clear, 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:55.040 responsible regulation, and that's what changed when Governor DeWine chose 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:59.120 to line at in veto specifically the intoxicating beverage section 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:00.000 of SB fify. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.960 Yeah, and I know there are some other craft brewers 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.040 that are leaning into this more heavily than others. Have 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.640 as well, and you know it makes me sad because 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.040 you know, you talk to people and are like, wow, 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.720 I really like this stuff. You mentioned how the craft 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.000 beer segment itself and craft beer is declining, and we're 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.760 seeing a rapid as you know, gen zers coming along 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.560 and they're just not drinking at the rates. Older millennials 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.120 and certainly Gen xers like myself and baby boomers who 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.960 are older, are consuming alcohol to the point where we've 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.080 had a I was just talking about this yesterday, Gallop, 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.560 a ninety year low. As far as alcohol consumption goes, 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:39.039 it's incredible. And yet I think that's also true because 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.679 there are so many options in order to well self 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.200 medicate if you or make yourself feel better. I know 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.960 a lot of people that enjoy the THHC slash CBD 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.000 and fused beverages and go. You know what I don't 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.200 feel is maybe as bloated, I don't feel as I 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.440 feel different the next day. I feel actually feel better 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:56.680 than I do after drinking alcohol, and people are moving 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.960 towards that. Why not satisfy that sector because that's just true. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:01.920 Do you have someone to tell us so heavily invested 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:03.520 in in graft. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.760 Room, Yeah, the thing I'd like to point out there 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:08.880 that you mentioned is the beverage category as a whole 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.440 has faced or has realized a lot of diversity, and 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.520 that can be nontoxicating beverages to you name it. And 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.800 really it's the prevalence of choice that the younger generation, 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:19.440 to your point, has grown up with, and now that 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:23.200 they're of legal drinking age, they're continuing to experience thingsplore that. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.200 But I'd also point out that everything that we're seeing 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.880 and learning, it's not only the younger generation that are 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.480 interested in the intoxicating HEMP beverages. It's really expanning all 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.800 demographics as everyone's just enjoying the benefits of these low 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:37.760 test beverages. It'd be really clear when I'm talking about 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.760 the benefits, we are not advertising or marketing these as 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:45.039 healthy alternatives to alcohol. We're speaking about anecdotes we receive 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.720 from doing consumer studies and panels and talking to those 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:49.880 that are participating this beverage category. And I think that's 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.000 a really important point that this entire industry is aware 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.279 and acknowledging of, and SB fifty six is also doing 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:59.320 a good job making sure that there's no unproven health 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.960 claims on packaging as an example, because it's important. Just 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.640 like alcohol is regulated, and I'm not trying to draw 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.800 a direct parallel or make these categories analogous, but there's 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:11.320 queer governing rules for alcohol and what you can and 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.000 can't do and say about benefits or lack there or 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.200 lack there of of known benefits and alcohol, and that 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.320 makes sense, and it is logical, and a lot of 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.920 regulation and guidelines can and should exist in the intoxicating 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.880 beverage category as well to make sure that we're communicating 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:28.400 responsibly and effectively to consumers. So when I'm talking about 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.159 those who are choosing to drink less alcohol or abstain 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.599 from alcohol entirely, and maybe they are finding great use 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.840 in the intoxicating that beverage category, we're talking about anecdotes 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:42.680 and real consumer feedback on learning what they're looking for 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:44.800 and why they're looking for it, and that's really really different. 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:46.800 I want to make it really clear that I have 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.240 not seen any actors in the state of Ohio. Certainly 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:53.720 our intent to falsely advertiser represents these products, but at 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:55.640 the same time, we do know why the consumers are 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:56.320 turning to them. 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:58.320 Yeah, no, and it makes a lot of sense, and 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.600 you know, I'm a big believer, propared owner of giving 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.880 the people what they want. And not only that, you know, 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.400 it's seemingly grossly unfair to yourself and other peer veyors, Adam, 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:11.200 that you invested a lot in that technology and infrastructure 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:13.240 to ramp this up, only to have that karpo pulled 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.600 off from und you has the Dwine administration Mike Dwine 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.720 himself addressed this to your satisfaction and yeah, I've talked 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.200 to lawmakers like Steve Hoffman and others, and there's seemingly 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.080 no answer for the line I'm as to why he 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.040 struck this down. Are you getting satisfactory responses from him? 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:26.960 Is what the reasoning was? 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.200 You know, we're still looking for it. And to be clear, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.760 we do respect the governor's role and what we're advocating 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.840 for here is clarity and consistency going forward. And we 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.760 spent a lot of time working with the High General 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:43.240 Assembly and feel like they took all you know, proponents 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.280 and opponents of this issue in the consideration in crafting 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.400 SP fifty six. So yes, it was very disruptive and 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.200 shocking when the line Adam Vita specific just toe in 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:56.280 toxicating hemp beverages was introduced and signed all at once, 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.560 and so we're still to your point when we open 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.160 the segments that was right around the holidays, and we're 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.240 all as an industry collectively, and I'm talking about manufacturers 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.000 to distributors to retailers, all of us, which are the 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.440 three tiers of the system here to get this out 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.200 to market. We're still kind of gathering and understanding exactly 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.360 what happened and what can be done about it so 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.440 that all the investments that have been made can be 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:24.720 sustained going forward, and honestly, more importantly, in my opinion, 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.080 this is also about supporting Ohio business and making Ohio 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:32.800 business competitive with other state manufacturers or even national companies 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.520 who are finding great success with these beverages and states 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:39.160 that have created very smart, very responsible regulation. And I 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.400 think the General Assembly was doing a great job looking 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.520 at what other states have done, who were ahead of 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.360 the curve in this category than we were, and trying 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.240 to get to Ohio up the speed because there's other 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:53.280 commentary happening where federally. In November of twenty twenty six, 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:57.720 not only will intoxicating hemp no longer be allowed which 0:08:57.760 --> 0:08:59.720 was passed as part of the reopening of the federal 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.280 governm in the Appropriations bill related to Partment of Agriculture, 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:07.880 but also CBD beverages and CBD products are also going 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.360 to be limited in November of twenty twenty six. And 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.400 that's an even larger category than the intoxicating hemp, CBD 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.720 being a cannabinoid from the same plant that is now 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.520 intoxicating and lots of people turn to for health benefits. 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.440 So really, what Ohio, in my opinion, should be doing 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:26.520 is using the smart responsible regulation from Sub sixty six 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.000 to allow Ohio business to continue to prosper. And then 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.480 in SB fifty six there was also a consideration acknowledging 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.679 that when the federal government provides more clarity prior to 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:40.000 November twenty twenty six, Ohio will look at that and 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.800 then adapt as necessary. Whereas right now we're in a 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.640 situation that the industry will have to shut down in 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:49.079 March if nothing changes, and that will leave Ohio businesses 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:53.280 behind other states who continue to regulate and support this marketplace. 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.200 Yeah, I mean, we want no one suggesting that companies 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.440 like yourself say there's no regulation. Of course, there should 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.080 be regulation. Health health departments oversee you. There's you know, 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.600 all sorts of regulation has involved in that industry as well. 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.800 Should be if you're infusing something with cannabinoids. Okay, I 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.160 get that, But to simply strike it and say we're 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:17.040 not doing this anymore is rather insane because you know, 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:19.319 one may say, well, are you getting you know it 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.440 is the wine getting lobby money from big alcohol? Well probably, 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.800 I don't know, because it's you know, if people aren't 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.040 consuming the product like they once did, and there's all 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.920 their alternatives out there. You mentioned non alcoholics Adam Bankovich 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.280 from ryan Geist that you know, that's another big sector 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.280 right there. Mocktails are huge right now. Nan alcohol beers 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.280 are fantastics. I've tried many of them, and it's certainly 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.840 not like the when Oduel's rolled out back in the day, 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.000 it was it didn't taste very good. Now they taste really, 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.319 really good, and so there's a lot of diversity in 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.360 those products that you offer as well. But simply banning 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.760 entire sector here doesn't seem to be a good idea 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.079 because people are going to people demand it, but they're 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.240 going to find a different alternative to this, which might 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.000 be even more dangerous. Which is is the scary part. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.640 Is there a hope that legislatively speaking, this is not dead. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:09.480 Absolutely, We've been working almost every day, honestly, including over 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.319 the holiday break. We again being kind of this collective industry, 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.760 and not just craft brewers in Ohio specifically, but again 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.359 the distributors and retailers also. So there's already a referendum 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.800 that's been submitted, and so that effort is ongoing. It's 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.640 been turned in in my understanding, already to Franklin Rose, 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.560 the Secretary of State and Devostate Attorney General, and so 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.720 that timeline is that they need to review the referendum 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:34.480 agic was submitted by January thirteenth, to approve the signatures 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.559 and verify it. And if and when that happens on 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.920 the thirteenth, then the deadline becomes a date in March 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.280 to be named where two hundred and forty eight thousand, 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.760 ninety two signatures would be needed across the eight counties 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.040 of Ohio, and there's a certain number needed within forty 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:51.560 four of the eighty eight counties. And if that referendum 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.600 were to pass and be approved, then this issue would 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.080 actually end up on the November ballot and voters would 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.199 decide what they want to happen. Separately from that, we're 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.040 also having conversations with the General Assembly as we did 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.000 as they were crafting SD fifty six. Lots of members 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:10.240 on all sides, both political parties, House and Senate have 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.719 been listening, which is really really encouraging, and I've been 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.160 very appreciative of all those efforts. So we're still talking 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.360 to them to see if there's any interest within the 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.600 General Assembly on a legislative override, but that would require 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.079 a two thirds fote approval in both the House and 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:28.640 the Senates, and those conversations aroundgoing, I'm not sure if 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:29.880 there's enough interest there or not. 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.600 Yeah, as upset as I am, and even you more 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.439 so about this whole thing, I think there's hope. And 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.120 since you've got a lame duck governor, you've got to 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.400 do administration coming in, and I think they're going to 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.240 set the record straight because clearly there's a mindset in 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.240 Ohio that, hey, we've been using these products responsibly. People 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.520 clearly enjoy them, the market, the sectors growing. Why would 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.040 you try to take that away, especially if you're someone 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.800 who allegedly is pro small business in business growth, why 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.400 would you limit that it doesn't make much sense. Adam 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:00.960 Bakovich is the CEO of Guys, joining the show this 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.280 morning with Sloani here on seven hundred WLW. Kind of revisiting. 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:05.960 We'll get in the Minnesota stuff on this a little 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.880 bit different topic entirely obviously, but this is something that 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.560 happened over the holidays, and generally when stuff happens over 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.600 the holidays or a weekend, it's something that you know, 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.800 the establishment really doesn't want you to know about. They 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.840 kind of downplay it. It's a huge issue because so 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.840 many people enjoyed it and going, wait, what they're taking 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:21.400 this stuff away? 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:21.600 Why? 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:25.120 It's really good? And I'm a big proponent and you know, 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:26.959 if you're an adult, you should be able to choose 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.400 what it is that you put in your body, for sure, 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.520 and as long as there's regulation involved there and some 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.360 oversight to make sure you're not getting sick. I say, 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:39.280 have added, have ad all you want, because tastes indeed change. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.200 Hopefully in the next year we have some solution to 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.160 this whole thing, Adam, because you know, to think of 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.360 how much money you yourself invested in. Other individuals I 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:52.120 talked to involved in the craft brew industry in Cincinnati. 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.920 You know, you don't want to see those investments simply 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.160 just evaporate as they have so far in the interim. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.199 How you holding up? You're painting a picture saying, Wow, 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:03.960 you're the craft brew thinks kind of fading. We're kind 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.840 of leaning into this, And you know, maybe not for 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.000 you guys, because the scale in which you guys operated 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:11.920 much bigger than a lot of locals. But the craft 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.679 brew industry and know locally internationally, tends to be a 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.319 close knit group of people who are, yeah, competitors, but 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.120 at the same time you kind of pull for each other. 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.040 How are some of these smaller operations doing, do you know? 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:25.200 Yeah, I've suked with lots of them that think it 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.480 impacts all of them differently. You're one hundred percent right. 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:31.800 It's a very cordial community within craft beer where we 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:35.680 have the ohiocreft Brewers Association meeting in a couple of 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.680 days of conferences coming up here not too long from now, 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.640 and this was a large topic last year. The Ohio 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.600 Preppers Association did a great job bringing in national experts 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.840 to talk with the ohiocraft brewers about it. And I 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.280 know there's some that are reeling from this more than others, 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.320 I think the answer for all of us is that 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.520 we need to find whatever can possibly work to just 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:57.920 make sure that we're staying competitive within the marketplace. And 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:59.760 it's really hard to do when we spent a lot 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.600 of time here today talking about the diversity beverage. I 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:04.880 agree with you, non alcoholic beers have come a long way, 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.360 but the rallies, they're very expensive to make. So if 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.360 we're looking at the areas where craft brews can invest 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.960 and make some things safely and effectively and responsibly and 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.920 support our businesses that we've established, of craft beers declining. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.000 Since we are not able to control the general trends 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.720 of the craft beer marketplace, there's very few things that 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.520 we concerned to and look to do. And this is 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.640 one of those emerging segments like the early days of 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.120 the craft beer boom, where a lot of Ohio craft 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.160 brewers are looking at this saying, hey, we can make that, 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.160 we can make it taste great, we can have it tested, 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:38.040 we can follow all the responsible labeling requirements. So if 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:39.840 it's not this, we're going to have to learn what 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.600 else we can do. And you're right, we ryn Gus 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.880 is a larger craft brewers in the state of Ohio. 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.560 But you're also right that we've spent a long time 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.080 developing this product and for the marketplace to go away 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.960 in Ohio is very disappointing, and we're really hoping that 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.000 something will change to allow it to exist as we 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:58.720 wait for the federal guidance. 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:03.160 How much you on your list as a CEO, your 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.280 plate is always overflowing, right, How high up on the 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:07.920 list is this for you? Of concerns? 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.760 Very high, very hid. It took us. We spent two 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.240 years learning about this marketplace and developing Fuzzy Bones, which 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.320 is our brand of in tox getting hemp beverages, and 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.360 we're really proud of the brand and we think we 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.040 did a great job with the liquids and all the 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.560 characteristics of that product. And so its been two years 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.960 on something and then for the marketplace to go away 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:33.040 overnight when we worked so hard to make sure that 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.880 the Ohio generally assembly was informed about the category and 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.920 writing regulations to allow and promote business to exist in 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.480 Ohio was disappointing. So you're right, there's lots of things 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:44.400 on my priority list, but this has been up top 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.680 the priority list for a long time and it's going 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:47.360 to remain there. 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:51.000 Well, this is something I strongly advocate for, Adam, and 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.080 keep me in the loop on it and how things 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.680 are going. Lawmakers on all the time, people like yourself. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.840 It's senseless to think that just on the whims of 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:01.880 an individual, that this stuff all goes away and then 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.800 there's no accountability for the action whatsoever, no reason as 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.840 to why you would eliminate an entire growing sector that 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.600 clearly adult. OHI ones want. I wish all the best, Adam, 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:11.720 thanks for joining the show this morning. 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:13.800 Take care, Thank you to. 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.800 All the best. Anam Binkovic, CEO at RANG guys here 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.159 in Cincinnati, you know want you want people not to 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.480 pay attention to do it during the holidays. You know, 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.640 I'll be equally as hard on conservatives as I will 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.680 liberals in the sense that you know, look at holding 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.040 the feet of the fire that pure Vaul administration. For example, 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.800 when it comes to transparency and accountability. I will turn 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.480 that towards Governor DeWine here too. There's no answer. I've 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:39.399 talked to lawmakers and people like Adam that there's no 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.280 reason as to why Mike DeWine decided who's gonna kill 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.199 this entire sector doesn't after to answer to anybody in 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.359 that regard to and we still don't know why that 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.159 should trouble all of us listening. Quick time out, we'll pivot. 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.400 We'll get to the very latest. What's going on in Minnesota. 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.000 Me and you talking this one out as to what 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.600 you saw in your reaction coming up next year, and 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.400 something that I think was missed in this whole thing 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.920 and our fight over who's right and who's wrong in America, 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.280 I think we're missing the big picture on something. I'll 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.680 touch on that right after news update here on seven 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:12.800 hundred ww boy, Hell of Us starts at twenty twenty 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.240 sixth Huh. We have an eleven year old girl murdered 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:20.800 on New Year's Day. We take out Maduro in vade Venezuela, 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.720 and all our teams are over the New year here 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.960 in Cincinnati. And now this yesterday morning in Minneapolis, ice 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:29.959 agent shot killed Renee Good. We know our name now, 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.560 Renee Good, thirty seven year old mother of one and 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:38.720 also US citizen, appears to be Caucasian and intentionally blocked 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.760 a group of officers. And big picture here is there 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:43.919 have been what seven officer involved shootings, two of them 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:48.119 fatal now involving ICE and other individuals. So yeah, I'm 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.520 sure you've seen the video by now. If you haven't, 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:55.720 it's about five six seconds maybe, And the person shooting 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.840 the video is up close obviously, And agent approaches a 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:03.000 c a SUV that's parked perpendicular to the street, somewhat 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.520 blocking traffic. Not sure if this person's trying to get out. 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.040 Some of the reports did say that this individual was, 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.240 you know, blocking traffic. Others say she's trying to turn 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.679 around or whatever. But nonetheless, you have a bunch of 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:18.720 ICE agents uniformed, labeled marked. These are marked, and these 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.800 aren't like undercover. You kind of know what's going on there. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.960 And the driver, as an agent approaches the front of 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:28.640 the vehicle, says, hey, roll your window down. I need 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.600 to talk to you. She doesn't do that. He tries 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:33.399 to reach for the handle of the door from the outside, 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.520 and at this point then she accelerates, now out of 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:38.240 a high rate of speed as we've seen in the 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:43.520 past and other other circumstances, but attempts to in the 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.439 street's icy too, I believe, and tries to leave, but 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.359 there's another agent in front of them. This one pulls 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.080 their weapon out and fires a deadly shot. It looked 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.080 appears to be like one round through the driver's side 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:57.480 window that hits and strikes this woman. The suv speeds 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.679 forward because at that point I'm guess saying that is 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:03.879 good is no longer with us or some of the 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:07.360 throes of dying. The vehicle speeds forward, strikes a park 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.359 car short distance away. They render aid and she is 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.159 sadly she has died. Almost the instant though this this 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:18.879 awful news broke, we have two sharply different narratives that 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.879 didn't just take hold. I mean they really were pushed 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:26.919 actively by politicians. And on the right you had Christy 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:30.000 Noman others labeling this as an issue of domestic terrorism, 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.600 and that's a stretch. Certainly, the ICE agent was acting 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:38.240 in self defense. That's pretty clear. Tactically speaking, it doesn't 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.400 appear as if this was a good decision to stand 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:42.359 in front of a car. We know Cincinnati and the 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:44.800 way we police hear now because of what happened with 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:48.200 Sam Debo some other cases, officers have said, hey, you know, 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:49.760 it's not a good idea to stand in the front 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:51.800 of a vehicle. But you know, we had a in 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:54.120 occurrence I think it was in Columbus, was it where 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.280 that individuals being stopped in a car backing of a 0:20:56.320 --> 0:21:00.640 parking spot cop shot her, But you know, to label 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:02.119 them as a domestic terrorist, I don't know if I 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:04.360 agree with that. On the other side, on the left, 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:06.960 the progressive left, you have this calling him active murder. Well, 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:09.120 it's not murder if you're a Swan law enforcement officer. 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:16.440 And so the after the video came out, we had 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.600 these parallel rushes to judgment and everyone's just sting and 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.760 we still don't know the entire story, right. But my 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.199 perspective on this is what does this say? What does 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:26.880 it say about us here in Cincinnati. I can't speak 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:29.240 for what's happening in Minnesota. I can talk about the 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:34.879 fields here in Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana. And what troubles 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.840 me about this whole thing is not the shooting itself. 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.240 We'll get into that a minute. Is So this story 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:43.080 is an entirely different time zone. It's in Minnesota and 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:46.120 we're paying attention to it. But right now in Cincinnati, 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:49.960 as far as social media goes trends, people talking, this 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:55.560 is a bigger issue, a bigger story then the murder 0:21:56.359 --> 0:22:02.080 of Quinnary Reid in Laurel Playground, the eleven year old 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:04.919 girl who was shot to death on New Year's Day? 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:09.359 And what does that say about us? Wait, wait a minute, 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.840 here's something that we haven't can have an impact on 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:14.960 because it's local government. It's local and it's it's fair 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:17.200 to ask, hey, where the cameras, what happened to the money? 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:19.720 And I did all that yesterday's show and been doing 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.960 that all week. What where's the accountability here? And hold 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.080 them to a standard. But even that topic is like, yeah, okay, yeah, 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.840 ke eleven year old kids shot. Mean, it's it's sad, 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:36.880 it's horrible. But because this involves conservatives and progressives, this 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:39.080 thing is just escalate. It's all anybody's talking about. And 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:42.080 that is you know, well, we can certainly second guess 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.800 our administration, we can certainly guess our elected officials. We 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:48.400 should hold them accountable for things, whether you agree or disagree. 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:52.760 But what does that say about us is as consumers 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:56.560 of the news that were more people are more worked 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:59.040 up about this than what happened on New Year's Day. 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.120 I think that's a reflection on all of us, all 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:07.640 of us, me, you, everybody. Relative to what's going on Minnesota, 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:10.640 our good old friend who died a long time ago, 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:14.480 common sense would come in early handy here, look, protest 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:18.200 all you want, okay, And I'm watching live shots now 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:22.920 on Fox and CNN of law enforcement and protesters clashing 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:27.760 in Minnesota. It's a bunch of armed uniform military looking 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:30.520 agents that are standing in front of people and trying 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:32.520 to balk in the street somewhat here. I don't see, 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:35.440 you know, punches being thrown. There's some pepper spray. I 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:37.800 think some chemical hrants going on for those across the line. 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:41.159 But by and large it's a peaceful demonstration. People protesting 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:43.000 with the f the police signs and all that. And 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:46.840 guess what, bring your bullhorns, bring your signs, yell be mad, 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:50.879 absolutely on thousand percent this and we should you know, 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:54.440 enforcing the border was a mandate by voters that helps 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:56.680 sweep Trump in no office. We need to know who's 0:23:56.680 --> 0:23:58.439 coming here, we need to know why. I for a 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:00.399 long time thought building a wall. It is kind of 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:03.919 stupid unless it's around a major urban area to try 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:05.960 and block them off. Sure, but in the middle of nowhere, 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:10.000 a different story, But it doesn't mean you are against 0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:12.320 enforcing our borders. We need to know who's coming in 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:15.560 this country. We need to separate the criminals from everyone else. 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:18.959 That's a lot different than snatching people off the streets 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:21.119 in the aisles of home depot. Based on how you look, 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:25.400 that for many is a bridge too far. And if 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:27.119 that upsets you, we should be protesting that. 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:27.280 Right. 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:28.720 If you agree with it, then maybe you want to 0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:32.040 protest and support them for that too. Yeah, when you 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:33.760 have people who came here as children and our teens 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:35.800 are adults, they they don't deserve that kind of treatment. 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:40.840 That's what upsetting me. It's a fundamental American right. But 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:45.280 when you have an armed identifiable agent or a police 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:49.240 officer or a sheriff's deputy issuing a command saying hey, stop, 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.720 I need to talk to you, roll your window down, 0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:57.439 you stop and up until well, at least points you 0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:01.159 hear this. Countless cases where well they got shot because 0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:06.520 they're black. Right back to well Minnesota again, Rodney King 0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:11.080 and others because they're black. Well, okay, you know we've 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:13.680 had the we had this shooting white woman, we had 0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:18.280 the shooting of figures for some of the lender, the 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:22.760 lender guy, you know, Carl Linder's offspring who was shot. 0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:25.359 We had shootings in Boone County. We have all so 0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:27.400 you know the narrative about well it's because well it's 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:30.040 not because they're black. It's because they're doing something they 0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:33.000 shouldn't be doing. And it doesn't matter if you think 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:35.520 you're right. Hell, it doesn't matter if a judge says 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:38.320 you're completely right, that doesn't matter at that moment in time. 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:42.080 And you may be right, but you fight that in 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:46.520 court alive, with an attorney or someone representing you. You 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:50.520 certainly don't when someone ann officer and a market officer says, hey, 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:52.720 I got to talk to you. Stop what you're doing. 0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:56.400 That is not the time to accelerate your vehicle. And 0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:59.560 here's the memo to progressives on this. The self absorption 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.840 and the righteous indignation can get you killed. And it's 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.000 not just progresses. If you think that way, that you 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:07.080 can do whatever you want with impunity. And we see 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:11.560 countless cases where people act the fool because they have 0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:15.360 I know my rights. You know, when when an officer's 0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:19.399 you disobey a lawful command and you're blocking the street, 0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:21.840 I'm not going to say, you get what's coming to you, 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.639 but you open the door for that to occur. You 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:28.680 have a hand in this. You're not completely innocent. And 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:31.280 do we live in an age where everyone thinks that 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.639 they are their own entity, they're their own island. No 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.719 one can touch me, no one can disrespect me, or 0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.560 regardless of what authority or the authority you don't you 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:40.200 know you can. You can't do what you want to 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:44.520 you gotta. I can disrespect you, but you can't disrespect me. 0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:47.000 That's simply the culture in America today. Or you think 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:48.840 you can do what you want with impunity, and you 0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:52.760 clearly you can. And if you're i know, a mega 0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:55.880 conservative for example, and you're not in your head going amen, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:58.439 Well guess what this also applied to Ashley Babbitt, didn't it? 0:26:58.800 --> 0:26:59.119 Wait? 0:26:59.200 --> 0:26:59.280 What? 0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:01.480 Well? 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.639 No, No, that's different. It's not different. You're in the 0:27:04.720 --> 0:27:07.640 United States Capitol on J six and there's a bunch 0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:10.280 of people trying to break down a door, or on 0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:14.040 the other side, are a handful against a big angry mob. 0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:18.800 By the way, a handful of law enforcement officers. Whether 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:21.560 they're capital to police or ice agents, it doesn't matter. 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:23.680 They're law and force for on law enforcement officers, and 0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:27.040 it's pretty clear they have their weapons out. You smash 0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:28.919 through the window and you look through and say, hey, 0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:30.520 there's a guy with a gun pointing it at me. 0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.720 I'm going to jump through this window. What the hell 0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:38.320 do you think was gonna happen? So this isn't about 0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:43.359 conservative ideology progressive ideo. This is about damn common sense 0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:46.080 is what this is. When the man has a gun 0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.600 and he's uniformed and he says, hey, I need to 0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:52.240 talk to you, stop, that's the time to take your 0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:59.119 foot off the gas. Protest all you want. There's a 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:01.440 lot of things we should be protesting. There's this question 0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:04.040 about it. Things are off the rails. But the idea 0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:07.360 here is that, you know, now, people have already made 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:09.480 their minds up based on five seconds of video, and 0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.080 that's where we are right now. We've completely lost any 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:14.720 context or common sense whatsoever. Your thoughts A five point 0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:16.479 three seven four nine, seven thousand and eight The Big 0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:19.760 One on talkback iHeartRadio app also coming up at ten 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:22.080 oh seven this morning, will continue the topic. Dan Hills 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:24.119 is here, of course, you know him as the longtime 0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:29.040 head of the sinci FOP, who is now the head 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:32.480 of president of Frontline advise. They advise local jurisdictions on 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:34.720 while things like this, for example, a lot of what 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.240 we'll call what is kind of spin control, if you 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:39.160 need call it that, and just advise them on how 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:41.640 to handle things because if you're a small jurisdiction and 0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:43.600 you get jammed up with what's going on Minnesota, you 0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:45.560 kind of need some guidance on that. That's what they do. 0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.040 Not to be labor that point, but this is a 0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:50.040 guy who is an expert in use of force, and 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.440 I'm curious to know what his analysis is of what 0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:54.479 he saw in Minnesota. That's coming up at two ten 0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:57.080 of six in the meantime to Xenia and Jeff on 0:28:57.080 --> 0:29:00.560 the Scott Slung Show Morning, how are you and Scott? 0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.360 All good logical points there, But you know you're talking 0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:07.400 too much common sense yourself, right right. 0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:07.720 You know. 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.240 The thing is is if you if you watch YouTube, 0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:13.240 there's plenty of videos out there too about people. You know, hey, 0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:14.840 if you get pulled over by the cops, this is 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.120 what you can and cannot do. You know, don't open 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:19.320 your windows, don't do this, show them your license through 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.160 the window, and this and that and as you just stated. 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.200 You know, if you put yourself in the position that 0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:29.360 you can possibly be determined to be a threat to somebody, 0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:31.480 that's all it is. That's all it comes down to. 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:34.960 And the cops aren't gonna hesitate because they don't know 0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.280 whether you might be some psychotic, they don't know what 0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:40.200 you might be a normal human being. But if you 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:43.280 put yourself in that position, be ready for the consequences. 0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:46.400 And people just don't seem to think that, you know 0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:49.200 that they they are impunity, they have impunity, and they 0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:52.400 don't it doesn't matter what they do that they're they're 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:53.800 gonna be okay with it. 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:56.360 Yeah, it's it's putting yourself in that situation. It's just 0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:59.400 it's the righteous indignation culture that you think you know 0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:02.480 without question and what I believe is the absolute, unmigated truth. 0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:04.520 And you have no right to tell me what to do. Well, 0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:07.240 you know, I don't know why you think that way 0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:09.000 or think it doesn't apply to you, but it does. 0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:11.240 And again, you can be one hundred percent of the right. 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.200 That's up to a judge and a jury to decide 0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:14.680 at a later date if you're in the right or 0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:17.440 the wrong. But you know, you need to be alive 0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.200 to fight for that too. You know. It's the thing 0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:23.320 that somehow I'm this, you know, I'm gonna I know 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:26.200 this woman was thinking being the savior to the community. Okay, good. 0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.440 You can empathize with them for sure, and advocate for them, 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:30.720 as I think she was. But you know, when when 0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:33.840 there's a simple command to stop and you don't do that, 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.240 it doesn't mean anything at that point. Just stop what 0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:40.560 you're doing. It's not a black, white male, female gay 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:43.400 straight issue applies to everybody exactly. 0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:45.200 I had an instance where I'd go down and help 0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:47.480 a friend because he'd gotten pulled over. And I go 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:49.520 down there and the cop said, hey, who are you? 0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:51.440 And I said, well, you guys called me to come 0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:51.800 down here. 0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:53.320 Says you got any ID on you? 0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:56.120 Right, and I gave it to him and the cops 0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:59.600 the other one said run it, you know, and I'm 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:01.440 staying and they're looking at this guy said, wait a minute, 0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:03.480 I came down here to take this guy's car because 0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.640 you basically nabbed him for a duy or whatever, and 0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:08.560 you and you said run it, and right that second, 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:10.800 you know, I'm slaying big time. But I didn't say 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.440 anything because I know, I know that. If I want 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:14.840 to do anything about it, well, I go talk to 0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.600 the supervisor, I go do something like that. But the 0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:20.479 fact that that basically that they do that, you know, 0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.240 to somebody, has nothing to do with it. It basically 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:25.880 had basically coming down here to help a friend. But 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:28.080 they figure birds of a feather is what they're looking at. 0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:31.520 I understand that too. I understand that too. But you know, 0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.840 that's simple interest. I could have I could have gone 0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:39.120 nuts on him, but I didn't, you know, and got 0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:39.400 a hand. 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:41.840 I also get maybe this woman panicked too. There's an 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:43.800 element there as well, like I wait a minute, all 0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:45.760 of a sudden, this got real. And but but again, 0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:49.400 you have to you have to have that situational awareness 0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:52.520 of going, okay, I probably should stop this vehicle. And I, 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:54.360 you know, I don't know why you would pull forward 0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:56.120 if someone is standing you wouldn't do that. If a 0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.400 kid or maybe one of the people in the community 0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:00.360 were there who you're trying to help, were standing in 0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:01.920 front of you'd probably give them, hey, get out of 0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.560 the way thing. But instead decided to stay hit the gas. 0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:06.680 And now it's a fatal and it's you know, it's 0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:09.040 an ever evolving. So, but there's a there's a consistency 0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:11.520 here to this whole thing, and that is it's not 0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:14.120 it doesn't matter what you look like. And that's what 0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:15.920 I hated about the whole narrative the first time we 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.760 did this in Minnesota. It's about your actions, about what 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:23.560 you're doing when it evolves a officer involved stop. And 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:26.440 I'll ask Dan about this. Come up, Dan Hills. I 0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.960 think it bears okay. So if you're a I don't know, 0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:33.000 you're since a police offer you haml Kant, a sheriff's deputy, 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.640 you're trained in tactics when it comes to traffic. These 0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:42.320 are immigration agents, you know. Did they get the same 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:45.520 level of a training as a beat cop and how 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:47.520 to handle the situation like that? Because we talked about 0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:49.240 you look at it, go wow, that's kind of bad 0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:52.880 tactically that you're standing in front of a vehicle that's running. Okay, 0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:55.960 But were these guys have been trained for things like this? 0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:58.680 And I think that's something else that's missed here too 0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:00.960 in this effort to Villa and I, every single ICE 0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:03.400 agent that's out there and lined up is man, what 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:04.720 are you doing? Why are you doing this? 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:04.960 Well? 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:09.400 Because you swore an oath. Okay, now it doesn't allow 0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:11.520 you to break the law. You know, you're allowed to 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:14.160 refuse legal orders. And look at the whole Clark thing, right, 0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:18.240 and you're taught that, But that seemed to be a 0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:20.560 reasonable order. Border patrols GA like, Okay, we're gonna stop, 0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:22.760 and this person's blocking traffic and we're trying to do 0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:24.280 our jobs. And now I got to find out why 0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:26.120 she's doing this, and hold on, stop, I gotta talk 0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:30.000 to you. You know, it's not like these guys, I 0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:31.960 think almost all of them, if not every one of them, 0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:34.480 Like you know, I just I want the paycheck and 0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:37.160 the job, and I don't make the policies. I go 0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:40.240 where I'm told. I mean, we all have jobs, we 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.840 all report to someone. You go where you're kicked. That's true. 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:46.560 Whether you're a radio talk show host, whether you work 0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:49.560 in a fifth third bank, whether you're I work at 0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:52.160 a grocery store, or whether you're an ice agent or 0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:55.320 police officer. Their orders. You may have disagree with them, 0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:57.280 but you got to pair amount. It's kind of like 0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:59.640 in the back of the day when I'm obviously I 0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:01.240 was in a on for this, but you know, the 0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:04.840 stories about soldiers coming back from Vietnam and people attacking them. 0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.920 What they're just fronding commands. It's like you're a baby killer. 0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:11.360 You're I didn't sign up for this. You want to 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:13.560 be mad, be mad at Kennedy, be mad at LBJ, 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:16.240 be mad at Nixon. I'm just I'm just a pawn. 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:19.800 Five and three seven four nine, seven eight hundred, the 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.319 Big One to Bridget and Peebles this morning, how are you? 0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:24.160 I am good? 0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:27.400 And I just want to say I'm a longtime listener 0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:30.080 of yours and first time caller, and I couldn't agree 0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.799 with you more. I just don't understand what people are 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:37.440 thinking anymore. I mean, they just think they can do 0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:41.560 whatever they want, and it really makes you not want 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.719 to go out in public. I mean, at least for me, 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:47.520 I don't want to go down to Cincinnati and you know, 0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:52.200 get confronted by someone, and I'm just I don't understand it. 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:54.480 I mean, I'm glad I live more out in a 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.640 rural area that we don't have to put up with 0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:00.640 that as much. But I feel like I was looking 0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:05.239 at social media today Facebook and I felt like there 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:09.320 was a post from Channel nine News about the girl 0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.880 and I've seen it, and I just can't believe that 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:15.000 there's not more outrage about this. 0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:19.640 I mean, people comment about snow and weather in Cincinnati 0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:21.280 more than they have commented. 0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:23.160 About this, I think, And let me matter reject a second, 0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:25.440 Bridget And you know, I kind of understand. What I 0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:28.000 did is that you're one hundred percent right about that 0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:29.560 is what does that say about us? And that's me, 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:34.480 it's you, it's everybody listening that we're more polarized and upset. 0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:36.480 And look how quickly people jump to one side or 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:38.400 the other, and there's no room for going well, okay, 0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:40.160 the facts aren't in all the way yet on what's 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.000 right or wrong. But you have the left and the other. 0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:45.080 You have conservatives, you have progressives, and they're entrenched to write. 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:47.640 I mean, look, within seconds of the story breaking, and 0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:49.719 everyone in since in the air area is talking about 0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:52.279 this story more than what happened on New Year's Day 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:53.719 with that eleven year old girl in the park, and 0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:55.680 that's a reflection on us. 0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.520 Yeah, I didn't understand it. I told everybody I made 0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:01.719 a comment, and I usually don't. I usually just kind 0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:04.760 of creep on social media, but I just said, everybody 0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:06.840 needs to go back and listen to your interview with 0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:11.040 the city council lady, and there was just no answer. 0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:13.880 I mean, I understand she's looking forward and she's. 0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:15.759 Trying to get she doesn't have answers. 0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:19.319 The right Yeah, I mean it was I felt like 0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.040 people need to go and listen to that interview, and 0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:25.800 they really need to, you know, I don't know. I'm 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:28.120 like I said, I'm glad I live in Peeble's, Ohio. 0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:30.080 Small community, great community. 0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:33.080 So I work where I work. 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.200 They have their Christmas parties down in Cincinnati. 0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:36.200 Didn't go this year. 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:36.799 Not going. 0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:40.200 Yeah, that's not good because they need the business down there. 0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:42.239 I I me and myself, I'm not you know, I'm 0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:45.200 not too worried about it. I mean, you know, situational awareness, 0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:48.320 right right time of day, right places you could I mean, sadly, 0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:50.560 as you know, you could wind up getting jammed up 0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:53.080 in something people's tomorrow. You just don't know. But I 0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:55.360 think it's reflective our society that. I mean, we just 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.880 had a story here where a woman had a Maga 0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:00.600 Girl license plate, Maga Girl license plates, and someone shot 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.640 at her. You know, I think that's two ways. Is 0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:06.760 number one, is I wouldn't put anything political on my vehicle, 0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:09.640 on my Bristol vehicle, how vanity plates anything like that. 0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:12.800 People are crazy, but we're just so entrenched in political 0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:15.719 ideology and this is just another example of it. Hey, Bridge, 0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:17.319 thanks for listening. I appreciate you. Have a great day. 0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:20.120 You thanks all the best. Got to get a news 0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:22.040 update and we'll continue the topic here with what's going 0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.120 on in Minnesota. Get some new eyes on it from 0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:27.080 Dan Hills, of course, long time CPD officer, Sergeant Dan 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.480 formerly head of the FOP for a long time and 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:34.480 now involved with a group of frontline advisor advice police agencies. 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:36.040 I didn't get his eyes on this and see what 0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:38.880 he saw tactically, get an officer's response to what's going on. 0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:40.440 We'll chop all this up with Dan right after a 0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:43.120 news update and that's happening in about three minutes here 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.640 latest in Minnesota, but Cincinnati as well. We got you covered. 0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:50.560 Scott'slan continues afterwards on seven hundred WWT Cincinnati. Don't want 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:54.359 to be in American It saw me back on seven 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:57.839 hundred WLW. The big story today, as we've been talking about, 0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:02.280 of course, is the UH just a horrific story coming 0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:06.560 out of Minnesota today, ice agents shooting a thirty seven 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:09.880 year old single mom. I guess who intentionally blocked a 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:12.600 group of officers And now to date there's been only 0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:15.760 seven officer involved shootings, two of them fatal, involving ice 0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:19.000 and citizens. So in this five second sequence we've all 0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:21.839 seen over and over that was filmed a fairly short 0:38:21.840 --> 0:38:25.280 distance away. Here's someone yell hey, presumably an agent. Agent 0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:28.840 walks up, tries to open the driver's side door, driver accelerates, 0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:30.960 second agent standing near the front of the vehicle, and 0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:34.279 as she tries to accelerate to leave, albeit slowly because 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:38.080 the roads are pretty icy, it looks like the deadly 0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:41.319 shot is fired through the driver's side window from the 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:44.560 front so the suv and then speeds forwards because at 0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:48.200 that point, presumably miss Good is either critical or dead, 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:50.799 and the vehicle speeds for of strikes of park car 0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:54.279 short distance away, and that was not survivable. It's a 0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:57.080 horrible instance. We've seen this play out time and time again, 0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:59.960 and on that because he is he's seen it first hand. 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:03.080 The use of force expert, former FOP president now President 0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:04.759 of Frontline Advisors is Dan Hills. 0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:08.799 Dan Welcome it's funny, good morning to you on this 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:13.160 brisk winter morning. Yeah, I'm surprise you're here in town, 0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:16.680 not in Florida or somewhere. Yeah, I'm that's that's more Willie. 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:19.319 That's down there. I try to stay as far away 0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:21.520 from there as I can for that. For that reason, 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:23.799 I will say this. 0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:25.600 I was gonna say Happy New Year, but it doesn't 0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:27.440 fit because we've had a This has been a hell 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.040 of a start to twenty twenty stations, when we had 0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:30.960 eleven year old girl murdered on New Year's Day at 0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:34.000 a park, we had the invasion of Venezuela. All of 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:36.080 our teams in Cincinnata are oh for the new year, 0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:39.680 and now this I demand a restart of twenty twenty six. 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:42.919 I'll second your motion. 0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:47.880 It's been awful. So after the shooting, obviously you get 0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:51.520 crowds gathering. They're gathering and protesting today. So far, I 0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:53.640 don't see too much of violence here towards police, other 0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:58.760 than maybe some snowballs. But you have federal agents appearing 0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:02.479 to respond by releasing chemical irritans around the crowds right now, 0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.279 and you know there's you look at this whole thing 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:07.160 and it's played out time and time again. Dan, there's 0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:10.360 just no winners in this. You know, everyone's taking signes 0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:12.600 and this as I've been talking about this morning, and 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:18.000 yet certainly the neighbors lose, the protesters lose, the cops lose, 0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:19.680 the ice agents lose, the country loses. 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:24.160 This is it's just horrible, it is, you Know'slanny. I 0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:26.440 appreciate you having me on, but you know I have 0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:29.239 to go in and tell your audience than the ones 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:32.520 that you know this already, that I'm coming in pretty biased, right. 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:37.640 I represent h plolice officers and you know did for 0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:41.040 years as the union president and still do with frontline advisors. 0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:43.520 With all that said, I do want to speak to 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:47.360 a greater audience, one that one that doesn't necessarily see 0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:50.919 everything in the same lens that that I do. And 0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:55.560 you know, I do understand why people look at a 0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:59.040 shooting like that involving the vehicle and say why and 0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:03.160 and so for that part, I will say that, you know, 0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:07.880 I don't like to see the tactical approach of anybody 0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:10.680 being in front of a vehicle one that is you know, 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:15.399 obviously in drive. Right. With that said, though too, that 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:20.960 your bad tech approach does not remove you from the 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:26.320 right to defend when you defend yourself and defend yourself, 0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:29.280 as the courts have laid out, and that is about 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:32.560 the perception at the time, the perception that you have 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:35.480 at the time, and that a reasonable auser would do 0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:37.680 the same thing. It doesn't mean that every officer would 0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:40.480 do the same thing. It means that a reasonable auser 0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:41.600 would do the same thing. 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:45.640 Yeah, yeah, this has elements of uh not directed. But 0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:48.520 but this is like Ray to Bow's rate Tensing Sam 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:50.920 to Bow's over in that occurrence, and you are on 0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:53.120 the job then and you know, we well remember how 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.719 horrible that was. Is Officer Tensing is trying to stop 0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:58.000 the BOS for a front flight violation, which then at 0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:00.440 the time Joe Dieters now Supreme Court to set up 0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:03.680 his BS to BS. It's it's a chicken bleep stops. 0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:06.359 I think the words that he used, and we since 0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.200 change that with front plate because I think he's right 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:10.040 in that regard too. I mean, it seems cheap, as 0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:13.320 there's plenty of people with expensive cars, maybe at Kenwoock 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.440 Country Club for example, where they don't have front plates 0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:18.319 because it's a you know, eighty thousand dollars car. They're 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:21.040 not the ones getting pulled over usually, But in that 0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:23.160 regard not to get down a rabbit hole or get 0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:24.759 out in the weeds on this thing, I look at 0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:27.400 it and go, yeah, you know you're reaching in a 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:29.239 car to try and stop it, and he pulls off 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:31.600 and Tensing it no choice but to shoot. And we've 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:34.239 changed tactics since then. I guess the big question Dan 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:38.080 would be street cops know that, but our ice agents 0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:39.799 trained as street. 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:43.160 Cops are, well, you you went down a rabbit hole. 0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:44.960 I'm going to sit down there with you. I've talked 0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:48.120 about I've talked about ten ten on the radio. I 0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:50.360 have a very strong belief that ten Ting did not 0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:55.600 decide to shoot to as Joeaters was putting down there 0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:58.120 because he's a racist, or he wanted to kill, or 0:42:58.239 --> 0:42:59.960 be because he wanted to save his wife. I thank 0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:03.560 Tenking shot because of a muscle reflex. I think it 0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:07.400 was an accidental shooting. And I'm went over that. There's 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:11.000 a fourth science experts out there and stuff that I'll 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:12.719 talk about the timing with that, the one that would 0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:14.040 actually match this better. 0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:15.120 Solony. 0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:18.719 If you remember, I think the trial just happened last 0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:21.840 year is in twenty twenty five. So not that long ago. 0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:25.000 Is the blended township? Am I saying that? Right? Up 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:28.960 and up by Columbus the lady was a leisure or whatever. 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:32.440 That case and it went to a trial is very 0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:36.520 similar to this. And that's another one where people saw 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:40.040 somebody out in front of a car, and I guess 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:42.319 again have the questions about that, And those are fair 0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:45.760 questions because I do not believe those were good, strong 0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:51.880 tactical approaches. But again, just because your technical approach isn't 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:56.840 the best, that doesn't stop you. As far as caseball 0:43:56.960 --> 0:44:00.399 is considered, from the right to defend yourself, and when 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:03.399 you're holding a gun, and when you're already pointing a gun, 0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:08.560 your natural order of reflex almost is then to use 0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:11.680 that gun to defend yourself. And so again, the people 0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:13.239 who are going to be question this, they're going to say, well, 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:15.319 why didn't he move out of the way? And you know, 0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:18.240 could moving out of the way been a good answer? 0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:24.239 It could have been? Could, but could was his reflex 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:27.759 is at that time something that would be reasonable? And 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:29.680 I think that's what we're going to end up finding them. 0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:31.600 I hope to God it through a trial or whatever. 0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:35.560 I hope this political divide doesn't create an officer being 0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:39.879 charged for something that quite clearly was the self defense move. 0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:42.319 One that we can argue about when we can talk 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:45.719 about tactics about and all that stuff. But as far 0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:50.400 as could you ever see a jury beyond a reasonable 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:52.520 doubt saying that this person that you know want to 0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:55.240 work that day with the intention of just killing somebody. 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.160 But that's a sad thing the case, Dan, that's a 0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:01.000 sad narrative I think from you know, from aggressives, for example, 0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:03.320 is that these guys are bloodthirsty and want to go 0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:06.480 out there and shoot as many people. You know, you're sworn. 0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:10.279 You took a sworn oath, right, And this is kind 0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:12.720 of like the parallel to me and I mentioned earlier. 0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:14.840 The parallel is like when soldiers came home from the 0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.719 Vietnam War and they're spit on and cursed. They're you know, 0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:19.760 they're they're they are under orders, they're in her command 0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:21.719 to do that. Now, a lot we're drafted. You don't 0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:23.400 have a draft in this case with police officers. You 0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:25.600 do this voluntarily. But you know when you when you 0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:27.920 joined the force, however many years ago or whatever's you 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:32.120 signed up for perhaps you know this, this wasn't seen 0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:34.040 as something that's going to happen. You never know what's 0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:36.799 going to happen tomorrow or the next minute on, and 0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:39.080 so you're following commands. You're following orders. Now, whether they're 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:41.760 lawful orders or not, it seems like a lawful command 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:43.799 to go out whatever they're asking this woman to do. 0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:46.200 The other reasonable side of this thing is is looking 0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:48.319 at it going, well, you know, the idea that these 0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:50.560 cops are out there to just hammer down on citizens 0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:53.560 is silly in itself. No one's going to sign up 0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:55.279 for that, and certainly it's not going to pass muster. 0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:57.760 But the problem is at the top. If you disagree 0:45:57.760 --> 0:45:59.680 with the policies and how they're being enforced, you have 0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:02.239 every right to protest that. But when when an armed 0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:05.160 agent tells you to stop what you're doing, roll your 0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:07.520 window down, obey a command, that's not the time to 0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:08.440 hit the accelerator. 0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:13.000 It sure isn't. And that's what you know. I'm I 0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.960 looked at the shooting, and like I said, I come 0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:19.080 in knowing that and a lot of stuff and a 0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:21.960 lot of history, and I believe in my heart of 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.560 heart that that that's not going to be prosecuted. Because 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:27.640 it is prosecuted, the alser to be found not guilty. 0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:29.799 He has a right to defend himself. So just to 0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:34.239 move beyond that for Minionian talk about the deeper politics 0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:36.839 that's going on here and how dangerous it is that 0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:39.360 you have a mayor and a governor, you know, wanting 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:42.840 to jump out ahead of this without even any time, 0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:46.160 uh to to to really take a deep look at it, 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:48.839 and want to call this this this I think they've 0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:51.080 even used the word murder or something of that sort. 0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:55.279 And there they are setting the stage for something that 0:46:55.560 --> 0:47:00.600 you know is approaching, you know, almost civil ar type 0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:04.000 of of a reaction where you're you're splitting the right 0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:07.319 and the left up there to the point where we 0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:08.880 can't even have reasonable conversations. 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:09.239 We can't. 0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:11.799 I come in, I come in with bias that I'm 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:15.600 I'm conservative, yes, and I am I am pro law enforcement, 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:18.240 and and of course I'm all for cost defendent themselves. 0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:21.160 But I'll have a reasonable conversation with somebody about this. 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:23.520 I'm not going to come on screaming and using the 0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:26.160 F bomb and all this stuff like this mayor did 0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:30.560 we just were losing civil discourse, and that's questions. 0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:32.799 Well, I mean, on the right calling this this woman 0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:36.120 a domestic terrorist, is that that's also insane. I mean, 0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:39.359 it's probably a right. I mean, that's just that's just fair. 0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:41.320 But but look at I was pointing this out earlier, 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:43.960 is that the instant this broke, we went into two 0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:46.759 entirely different narratives on this before all the facts came out, 0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:48.520 by the way, and we didn't know what the timeline was, 0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:50.359 and we still don't know all the facts of this thing, 0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:53.640 but politicians on both sides actively push their agenda. We 0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:56.520 go to demerica, domestic terraces on the right, murders on 0:47:56.560 --> 0:48:00.680 the left, and and we just it just we don't 0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:03.359 even know the whole story. And as I pointed out, 0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:06.160 and this comes back to you as a longtime CPD officer, 0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:08.600 Dan Hills, what does it say about us here in Cincinnati. 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:11.920 I can't speak for Minnesota or any other state, but Ohio, 0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:14.040 Kentucky and Indiana. What does it say about us here? 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:17.560 The biggest story of the week so far is this. 0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:19.759 It's exploding all over the city. People are debating and 0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:22.479 discussing it. Something that happened in a different time zone, 0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:25.000 is bigger than the issue. When we talk about justice 0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:27.960 for Quinary Reid, who was murdered on New Year's Day 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:31.399 at a park, that story was like wow, everyone's like, yeah, okay, 0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:33.520 another shot, another eleven year old, this park, Okay, great, 0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:36.120 put the cameras up, debate at whatever. But this story 0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:38.480 is more gripping than that. What does that say about us? 0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:41.640 Yeah, no, it's it's a really good point you're making 0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:45.640 when we have we have an eleven year old that 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:49.799 is completely innocent, and this isn't like this is the 0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:52.080 first time it's happened. By God, it happened in almost 0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:57.160 in the exact same spot. Cincinnati needs to really come 0:48:57.200 --> 0:49:00.920 to grist of what is going on culturally, the criminal 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:04.240 justice system. All these things come together and it isn't working. 0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:08.000 Something is really really broken bad. When we can kind 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:11.799 of shrug off the death of eleven year old, like 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:14.479 you said, go and then now we're off worrying about 0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:17.960 something in some other state, or what we're actually worrying 0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:20.959 about is like you heading off to our right left camp, 0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:23.879 so everybody just once can't wait to head off into 0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:26.720 their own camp instead of having a discussion. And Sonny, 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:29.480 you said it too. About this shooting. We don't know 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:32.120 all the facts. I could sit here and tell you, Look, 0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:35.480 I'm biased, I'm pro police, and I have a lot 0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:38.840 of experience in these type of cases, and I believe 0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:43.839 that the outre will be found just in what he did. 0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:46.840 But that doesn't mean that there isn't still more to 0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:49.560 know about this thing. Before you say anything for sure, 0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:53.400 before you decide whether you're would you just say that 0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:57.879 the two camps are murder or domestic care or whatever camp, 0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:01.239 I think we should all slow down a little bit. 0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:03.759 I think we should flow down a lot and say, look, 0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:06.560 something awful happened. There was a loss of life. I 0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:08.919 think we're going to find that there was a lot 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:12.080 of things that came up to this uh uh that 0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:15.839 that we need to look at too, these demonstrators, how 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:18.880 we're reacting to these demonstrators, ices and all that stuff. 0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:21.560 Because we want to prevent loss of life, we all 0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:25.520 should agree on that and then then we can move 0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:27.239 on from there. But if all we do is head 0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:29.400 off to those two camps like you talk about, screaming 0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:34.240 at each other, I'm really really worried about America and 0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:36.960 and and and to do that little bounce back like 0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:39.840 you said, I'm worried about I'm worried about our community 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:42.360 that we still haven't even really come to griss of 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:43.840 what just what just happened to? 0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.400 Yeah, second eleven year old murdered in Laurel Park in 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:48.719 two and a half years and people just shrug and go, Okay, well, 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:51.719 what's what's for dinner? And we're all wor at word 0:50:51.719 --> 0:50:54.160 about Minnesota. Yeah, back when you were on it, you know, 0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:56.720 we had the whole I mentioned the police involve shootings 0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:59.080 here and how tactically we change things on the street saying, hey, 0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:02.239 you know, let's let's not stand in the front part 0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:04.919 of a vehicle that's running right and kind of maybe 0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:07.320 move to the side. We've seen shootings. You mentioned one Columbus. 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:08.879 That was another one where the woman's trying to back 0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:10.719 up out of a parking spot, or the person's backing 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:14.560 up and officer shoots them. And I get that. I 0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:16.920 just wonder if there's a disconnect between, you know, not 0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:19.120 to make this all about tactics, but the kind of 0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:21.880 training that ice agents were getting relative to these stops. 0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:23.759 You guys train all the time, and I just don't 0:51:23.760 --> 0:51:26.359 I don't know, and maybe you do or don't what 0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:28.400 level of train they receive when it comes to traffic 0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:31.799 stops like this, because essentially you've got immigration agents that 0:51:31.840 --> 0:51:33.879 are handling this. This was a traffic stop. I don't 0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:36.440 know what the level of training there is with those guys, 0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:38.719 and you know, I think that also clouds things too. 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:41.359 It'd be a guest, but I think you're you're going 0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:44.200 down the right day. Up. I think it's it's likely 0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:48.359 that they haven't had trained slash experience in these type 0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:51.040 of things, because, yeah, I see this, I see this 0:51:51.200 --> 0:51:55.719 crazy uh demonstrator not to talk to all of the dead, 0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:58.040 but out there, you know, what are you doing moving 0:51:58.080 --> 0:52:00.360 her car around when she's dealing with a bunch of 0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:03.800 armed agents. It doesn't seem very balanced to me. Slowly, 0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:06.759 I'm up on the sidewalk, I'm standing behind the st here. 0:52:07.000 --> 0:52:07.719 You know what I'm saying. 0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:11.759 There's only so much a human being can do to 0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:15.880 affect a car. If if they wanted the stopper or 0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:19.160 I would use a vehicle or something to stop her 0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:22.879 if they if they have charges that are that high 0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:24.879 a level that they want to do. Other than that, 0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:29.360 I mean, you know, I'm giving my commands from somewhere say. 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:31.480 The story here is it? And again it may change, 0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:33.280 it may not who knows, but that she was blocking 0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:35.560 traffic and she's trying to pull away and move her 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:39.160 You know, the self absorption and righteous indignation can get 0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:42.400 you killed. And that's true. Whether it's it's this this woman, 0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:46.520 this thirty seven year old Renee Good in Minnesota, whether 0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:49.680 it's uh, you can you can? You know, look at 0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:51.520 the Sam Debos thing, look at the look at the 0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:56.080 shooting of of Linder. Right, we had shootings that you know, 0:52:56.160 --> 0:52:58.440 you start doing in pointing weapon and whether it's a 0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:01.280 car or a gun at a and an armed officer, 0:53:01.480 --> 0:53:03.359 bad things are going to happen to you as well. 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:06.719 They should. This was entirely preventable. But just roll the 0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:09.440 window down and talk to the agent. I don't understand 0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:11.080 the pulling away and why we're defending that. 0:53:12.360 --> 0:53:14.160 Yeah, I don't know what business it is now that's 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:19.399 running a commercial might be for all, getting getting your 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:22.200 call and screened or whatever is like, these things are preventable, 0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:24.280 and you know, I'm on the loss what I think today? 0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:27.480 Have you heard this commercials w W an them? But 0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:30.160 these things are preventable, is your point these things are 0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:34.319 very preventable, and it starts with the person that lost 0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:38.080 their life. They made lots of decisions, uh that that 0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:40.359 that prevented this. Yes, I know we tend to look 0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:43.040 at the institutions, whether it's a police department or ice 0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:45.399 or whoever, and say how can they do things better? 0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:50.000 And we always should right, right, But but but these 0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:53.760 these these actors that are going out and doing these things, 0:53:54.320 --> 0:53:58.400 are are putting themselves at risk. And look, if you 0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:02.560 don't like the law, immigration laws. I believe in immigration laws. 0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:06.080 I believe in borders in the country. If you don't 0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:08.480 believe in them, then vote for somebody that's you know, 0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:14.279 wants to change the immigration law or peacefully demonstrate in 0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:17.200 a way that is common sensical. Don't go out there 0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:21.400 and put your life on the line to make your statement, 0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:24.360 because it is a shame. Like I said, everything is 0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:28.440 is well also, Dan going about things much more peaceful. 0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:30.440 You know you can be for you could be for 0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:32.680 securing the borders and making sure we know who's coming 0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:34.240 in this country and our sovereignty. 0:54:34.280 --> 0:54:35.040 We have a right to do that. 0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:36.800 But you know, even a lot of people agree with that, 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:39.480 disagree with sweeping people up in home depot and just 0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:41.960 snatching them up and grabbing them with like, hey, we're 0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:44.120 going to quiz you see if you're here illegally or not. 0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:46.080 You know, I got a couple of people that I 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:48.920 know personally through family, friends and the like that. One 0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:51.200 guy's Irish and and now he may be kicked out 0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:53.399 of the country for whatever reason. He got me went 0:54:53.440 --> 0:54:56.239 to school here, and there's there's stories that's all the time. 0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:59.400 It's just like, uh, you know, when when you overextend 0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:02.800 yourself in that capacity, going from immigration to in a 0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:05.719 lot of cases, what we're doing here, you know, it 0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.959 tends to polarize people and turn people against you. Would 0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:11.680 normally support you. But again, when an officer gives you 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:14.440 a reasonable command, hey roll your window down. You're blocking 0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:16.920 the street. You can't block us from doing our jobs. 0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:19.680 You've got a problem right there, because that's your war. 0:55:20.719 --> 0:55:21.160 Can't do it. 0:55:22.080 --> 0:55:25.080 You have to obey law enforcement. And this wedge, this 0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:29.560 wedge that the politicians out there are putting between federal 0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:35.280 law enforcement and state law enforcement, is insane. Look, I'm 0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:39.560 responding to whatever law enforcement officer needs assistance. I'm not 0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:42.560 thinking about the politics involved in it, and neither should 0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:44.759 the Minnesota Chief of Police and some of the things 0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:48.280 that they're saying that the christ should recognize law enforcement 0:55:48.320 --> 0:55:51.760 officers as law enforcement officers. And again, they are enforcing 0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:54.400 the law. Maybe it's not the most popular, Maybe some 0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:57.719 people might not like the common sense of who they're 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:00.839 approaching at a certain time or whatever. We can all 0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:03.680 talk about that, but you know, policemen needs help. They 0:56:03.760 --> 0:56:08.000 need to stand together as police officers, federal whatever, as 0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:11.239 long as as long as they're enforcing the law and 0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:14.560 doing it going about it in the legally correct ways, 0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:18.600 Gateball approved ways that they should stand together. And this 0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:21.560 divide that's being put in between them, Yeah, this is 0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:22.319 really bad. 0:56:22.719 --> 0:56:24.920 This is blaming the foot soldier obviously for what the 0:56:25.160 --> 0:56:27.520 what the chief is doing. And yeah, I think it's 0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:30.200 it's it's unfair to think that some I wonder how 0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:31.960 many you've talked to ICE agents off the record. I 0:56:32.000 --> 0:56:33.680 don't know, but I wonder how many they agree with 0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:35.960 what they're doing. But again, it's it's their job. They're 0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:38.800 sworn to do this stuff, and you'll obey the commands 0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:41.839 above you. So Dan Hill's at the frontline advisor. He's 0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:44.480 a president of course, former FOP president here in Cincinnati. Dan, 0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:47.280 thanks for the insight and these these trying times. Indeed, 0:56:47.320 --> 0:56:48.920 hope the new year gets better from this point for 0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:52.200 it all the best of you to you too, sir, 0:56:52.320 --> 0:56:54.759 and the best of you and your family all the best, Yes, 0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:56.640 thank you. Let me get a news update in and 0:56:57.200 --> 0:56:59.320 more to follow. Here's the Scott's Loland Show seven hundred W. 0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:02.759 Wilderland me here on seven hundred W l w R 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:06.839 Thursday morning segments with Sonja Shava Krimani Er Doc, one 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:09.760 of the top doctors in the country, I'm told also 0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:12.120 our fitness and health guide. Just kind of a little 0:57:12.239 --> 0:57:15.719 check up on this first segment of the new year. 0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:16.760 Welcome are you my friend? 0:57:18.840 --> 0:57:18.960 Well? 0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:19.600 Happy years? 0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:19.880 Yeah? 0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:20.400 I heard you. 0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:23.720 Understand that you have been voted top eer physician in 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:29.000 the United States. Uh, the opposite. 0:57:29.040 --> 0:57:31.880 Well, no, I I was in the Top Docs episode 0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:34.959 of Cincinnati Magazine. I was not voted at Top Docs, 0:57:35.000 --> 0:57:36.880 but you know some of my work is highlighted there. 0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:37.800 Appreciate. 0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:38.920 Why do you just say. 0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:41.600 Again the truth. We're in the post truth society, Sanjay, 0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:46.320 just say you're the best guy in the world. Fair 0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:50.440 one will check, No one will check. Here we are 0:57:50.560 --> 0:57:54.400 in the first first CENTI first week of January, and 0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:56.880 I know the trend the kids all do, like yourself, 0:57:56.960 --> 0:57:58.919 here is dry January. What the hell is the point 0:57:58.960 --> 0:57:59.080 of that? 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:03.720 So it's it's interesting, Scott, before you even go on, 0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:09.480 I found this shock. This that shocking, which was Gallup 0:58:09.520 --> 0:58:13.240 poll found that fifty four percent of adults drink alcohol now, 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:16.240 which is the lowest it's been since they started recording it. Yeah, 0:58:17.040 --> 0:58:19.960 which is it was my it's been up to like 0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:23.080 seventy one percent, so like fifty four percent, So it's 0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:28.520 actually become less commonplace to drink. Have you tried tried 0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:29.200 January before? 0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:31.440 So I'm really I don't. 0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:33.640 Drink all that much. I might have, you know, every 0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:36.080 couple of weeks or maybe once a week really unless 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:37.680 we're out with friends or something like. I'm not like 0:58:37.760 --> 0:58:39.560 a big sit around and watch football and drink beer. 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:42.360 I don't know why I should because my team's never win, 0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:44.360 so I should probably drink more than I don't. 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:47.680 It was dull the pain, for sure. Yeah, but you know, 0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:50.360 now that the season's over for the Bengals, you know, 0:58:50.760 --> 0:58:55.240 there's no real reasons. But yeah, it's it's actually becoming 0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:58.000 more and more common. The whole dry January thing only 0:58:58.080 --> 0:59:02.520 started about less than twenty years ago, which also was 0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:04.360 surprising to me. I thought this has been around for 0:59:04.440 --> 0:59:07.960 a while, But what we're seeing is the movement's increasing. 0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:11.600 And this study just came out, Actually it was out 0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:14.040 of Brown University, but it was a combination of a 0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:17.480 bunch of other studies about dry January and the positive 0:59:17.480 --> 0:59:22.160 effects that we're actually seeing. And it's really encouraging for 0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:24.720 the movement, not just for the month itself, but for 0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:28.680 the long term effects of actually just going cold turkey 0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:29.240 for a month. 0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:32.560 How many people continue after Januer saying, you know, I 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:34.080 feel pretty good, I don't need the alcohol. 0:59:35.880 --> 0:59:38.640 So it's a significant amount. And it's not necessarily like 0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:41.720 going completely sober, we don't see that so much, but 0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:44.280 it is a huge curb on the drinking. 0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:47.800 So you know what doing a dry January does. It 0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:50.640 tells you a few things. One you can reflect on it. 0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:52.680 And that's one of the most important things I tell people, 0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:55.320 which is, you know, don't just do the act. Think 0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:58.960 about how you felt before, and then document how you 0:59:59.080 --> 1:00:02.200 feel afterwards, because you'll see the benefits. And if you 1:00:02.240 --> 1:00:04.120 don't reflect on it, you may see it and you 1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:06.400 may just say, you know, this is just one month 1:00:06.480 --> 1:00:08.960 in my life and go back to your usual habits. 1:00:09.640 --> 1:00:13.280 What people find is by doing a month of dry January, 1:00:13.640 --> 1:00:18.200 feeling better, they're sleeping better, they're like having better social connections, 1:00:18.600 --> 1:00:21.800 and you know, they're losing weight. You know, there's a 1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:25.880 ton of effects to work this, and people realize if 1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:28.720 they reflect on it and curb their drinking. So maybe 1:00:29.000 --> 1:00:31.080 you know, you're doing two drinks a night, or two 1:00:31.160 --> 1:00:32.720 drinks a few times a night, and maybe it's down 1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:36.720 to two drinks once a week, which any cutdown is beneficial. 1:00:38.080 --> 1:00:43.200 Is there a benefit to alcohol, I'm sorry, is there 1:00:43.240 --> 1:00:45.600 a benefit to alcohol specifically wine? You know, you hear 1:00:45.600 --> 1:00:47.840 about the Mediterranean diet and the French and they drink 1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:49.800 a lot of wine and the health and is that 1:00:49.960 --> 1:00:51.760 bonc or is there a certain amount of alcohol that 1:00:51.800 --> 1:00:52.560 actually is helpful? 1:00:54.120 --> 1:00:56.600 So I know, the studies keep going back and forth, 1:00:56.720 --> 1:00:59.640 and you know, we get conflicting evidence, which makes it 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:03.400 r The current stance in science is that there is 1:01:03.640 --> 1:01:08.840 no health benefit to drinking alcohol. So no alcohol is 1:01:08.920 --> 1:01:12.280 better than any at all. Uh And and you know, 1:01:12.760 --> 1:01:15.120 maybe it's subject to change, but I kind of believe 1:01:15.280 --> 1:01:17.840 for myself someone who you know, It's not like I 1:01:18.000 --> 1:01:20.600 was binging or anything, but I was drinking more than 1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:22.720 I do now. And it just took a couple of 1:01:22.840 --> 1:01:25.720 changes and now I'm like you, I'm drinking maybe one 1:01:25.840 --> 1:01:28.280 night a week. It's that and at that it would 1:01:28.280 --> 1:01:32.040 be like a drink or two max and h seeing 1:01:32.160 --> 1:01:34.600 that has has confirmed my bliss. 1:01:35.440 --> 1:01:35.640 Yeah. 1:01:35.680 --> 1:01:37.320 I mean, if you're out three or four nights a week, 1:01:37.360 --> 1:01:39.840 that's that's a problem, unless you know, you're in college. 1:01:39.880 --> 1:01:41.640 I think you get to pass up until grad school. 1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:43.800 Then after that it's probably time to take that kind 1:01:43.800 --> 1:01:46.440 of stuff seriously. But if in the thing, you kind 1:01:46.480 --> 1:01:48.920 of probably want to admit to yourself, hey, I'm probably 1:01:49.000 --> 1:01:51.440 drinking more nights than I should be. If I can 1:01:51.520 --> 1:01:53.480 cut that back down to you know, one or two, 1:01:54.080 --> 1:01:55.720 how much is how much? Is the way you said? 1:01:55.840 --> 1:01:58.800 You know, no alcohol is you know, the best, but 1:01:59.120 --> 1:02:00.720 I think you know, a little whe or red wine 1:02:00.760 --> 1:02:02.880 something like that, it's probably pretty good for you. You know, 1:02:02.960 --> 1:02:06.760 you start chugging handles of Jack Daniels, you got problems. 1:02:08.240 --> 1:02:10.840 Exactly, you know, And I'm I'm not one to say, 1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:13.360 you know, absolutely cut it out of your life, no 1:02:13.560 --> 1:02:16.560 questions asked, you know, there is a point to drinking. 1:02:16.600 --> 1:02:20.160 Sometimes there is a social connection and something that happens 1:02:20.360 --> 1:02:23.280 when you when you're sharing drinks with friends. Sure, but 1:02:23.440 --> 1:02:25.520 I would say, you know, no more than once or 1:02:25.560 --> 1:02:27.600 twice a week and you'll you'll be better off. And 1:02:27.840 --> 1:02:31.120 even that again, limiting your alcohol consumption will help you 1:02:31.320 --> 1:02:32.640 in in a ton of ways. 1:02:32.680 --> 1:02:33.880 And it's been shown scientist. 1:02:34.240 --> 1:02:36.680 Let's get into those things that that show up that 1:02:37.640 --> 1:02:40.360 just one month of dry January, no drinking and dry January, 1:02:40.400 --> 1:02:41.880 what does that do for you? What are the benefits? 1:02:42.760 --> 1:02:45.280 Yeah, so one of the main things that you know, 1:02:45.560 --> 1:02:47.720 you and I talked about it on our very first segment, 1:02:47.760 --> 1:02:51.800 which is sleep. A lot of people drink alcohol too 1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:53.480 before they go to bed and they say, you know, 1:02:53.560 --> 1:02:55.960 it helps me sleep, and there is some truth to that. 1:02:56.440 --> 1:02:59.760 It helps you get to sleep. The problem is you don't. 1:03:00.200 --> 1:03:02.280 You don't stay asleep, so you get this four hour 1:03:02.440 --> 1:03:05.400 rebound effect where the alcohol goes away and suddenly your 1:03:05.480 --> 1:03:07.080 brain is more wired than. 1:03:07.000 --> 1:03:07.840 When you went to bed. 1:03:08.640 --> 1:03:10.240 And so you know, if you're waking up in the 1:03:10.280 --> 1:03:13.680 middle of the night because of alcohol, there's the alcohol 1:03:13.720 --> 1:03:16.280 is the reason for that. The other thing we see 1:03:16.400 --> 1:03:19.480 is that you don't get rem sleep when you drink alcohol, 1:03:19.560 --> 1:03:21.480 or you get very minimal rem sleep, So while you 1:03:21.560 --> 1:03:23.960 fall asleep, and you fall asleep quickly, you don't get 1:03:24.000 --> 1:03:27.520 that quality sleep that helps you restore, helps you forward 1:03:27.600 --> 1:03:30.480 memories and do all the stuff that happens during your 1:03:30.560 --> 1:03:34.080 dream state, which is essential for not just you know, happiness, 1:03:34.120 --> 1:03:37.440 but also helps So sleep is the main thing. 1:03:37.720 --> 1:03:41.280 Gotcha, Yeah, I was gonna say. It's Sanjay Scheva Crimani. 1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:44.080 He's the our physician also a resident health and fitness 1:03:44.120 --> 1:03:46.320 guy on the show. And first segment you were talking 1:03:46.360 --> 1:03:48.320 about drive January and a lot of people are getting 1:03:48.360 --> 1:03:51.720 on this bandwagon by the thousands, especially your millennials and 1:03:52.200 --> 1:03:55.560 gen zers, older gen zers, I guess I should say, 1:03:55.600 --> 1:03:57.520 are getting on this bandwagon just for a month to 1:03:57.560 --> 1:03:59.960 see how it feels. And then remarkably people go back 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:02.000 back to those habits that don't make them feel well. 1:04:02.040 --> 1:04:04.280 But you know, I think, like we're saying anything in 1:04:04.360 --> 1:04:06.480 moderation is pretty good. We're talking about the effects of 1:04:06.560 --> 1:04:08.760 that though, and what you know, going dry for an 1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:11.000 entire month is going to do for your body, sleep 1:04:11.040 --> 1:04:12.040 being one, what else. 1:04:13.880 --> 1:04:16.080 The other things the things that come out of sleep 1:04:16.240 --> 1:04:19.479 directly would be your mood and energy levels. So people 1:04:19.640 --> 1:04:22.040 feel better, they have more energy to do the things 1:04:22.080 --> 1:04:24.520 they want, and especially in a dreary month like January, 1:04:25.160 --> 1:04:25.840 that will help you. 1:04:26.480 --> 1:04:28.160 So things that come out of sleep. 1:04:28.200 --> 1:04:30.120 The other things we see is weight loss, and you 1:04:30.160 --> 1:04:32.880 can imagine, you know, the term empty calories. I just 1:04:32.960 --> 1:04:34.440 kind of heard it, but I didn't know what it meant. 1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:37.640 But basically, there's no nutritional value in alcohol, but it 1:04:37.720 --> 1:04:40.040 has a ton of calories if you look at at 1:04:40.080 --> 1:04:42.760 a bottle or if you're having a sugary cocktail or 1:04:42.800 --> 1:04:45.600 something like that, it adds up quickly. And so people 1:04:45.720 --> 1:04:48.240 find that they lose about three to five pounds if 1:04:48.280 --> 1:04:50.960 they do drive January on average, And so that's a 1:04:51.000 --> 1:04:53.720 pretty significant thing, especially when you know we start the 1:04:53.800 --> 1:04:55.720 year and we all want to be healthier, et cetera. 1:04:56.360 --> 1:04:58.480 That would be a huge way to get there, is 1:04:58.600 --> 1:05:01.800 just limiting those empty calories that aren't doing anything for you. 1:05:02.840 --> 1:05:05.920 The other thing we see, uh, you know other things anyway, 1:05:06.000 --> 1:05:09.040 would be a drop in blood pressure that seemed kind 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:12.240 of across the board, uh, and then liver problems. So 1:05:12.720 --> 1:05:14.000 you know, it's interesting. 1:05:14.040 --> 1:05:16.880 A lot of us have what we call fatty liver disease, 1:05:17.720 --> 1:05:20.360 which is basically as fat deposits, and what they saw 1:05:20.440 --> 1:05:23.160 in these studies is that those amount of fat deposits 1:05:23.280 --> 1:05:26.920 go down in your liver. Fat deposits are important because 1:05:27.800 --> 1:05:31.520 what what they can lead to is liver injury and eventually, 1:05:31.640 --> 1:05:33.520 and this is not to like spook anyone else, but 1:05:33.800 --> 1:05:36.880 you know, it's one of the precursors sometimes for cirrhosis, 1:05:36.920 --> 1:05:40.120 and so that's end stage liver disease. And so any 1:05:40.600 --> 1:05:41.800 any cut back. 1:05:41.680 --> 1:05:44.840 On your alcohol intake will decrease that fat formation in 1:05:44.920 --> 1:05:47.480 your liver. So we see a ton of benefits from 1:05:47.720 --> 1:05:48.800 from dropping alcohol. 1:05:48.920 --> 1:05:51.320 Yeah, you hear about that fatty liver thing that that's concerning, 1:05:51.760 --> 1:05:54.320 and that is from drinking out of that diet, and 1:05:54.480 --> 1:05:57.520 lack exercise too contributes to its. 1:05:57.960 --> 1:05:58.760 All of the above. 1:05:58.840 --> 1:06:03.040 So you know, you have non alcoholic fatty liver disease 1:06:03.120 --> 1:06:05.560 and then you have the alcoholic type. And so what 1:06:05.680 --> 1:06:08.120 we find is that you know, alcohol does lead to it, 1:06:08.240 --> 1:06:11.320 but also obesity and being overweight can lead to it too, 1:06:11.520 --> 1:06:14.520 just because of insulin resistance. And so there are many 1:06:14.560 --> 1:06:17.680 ways to get a fatty liver, but alcohol certainly doesn't. 1:06:17.400 --> 1:06:20.160 Help and probably it leads to a lot of the cases. 1:06:21.280 --> 1:06:22.800 This is the time of year of people focus on 1:06:22.920 --> 1:06:25.160 diet and exercise and okay, drive j anywhere. Can you 1:06:25.240 --> 1:06:25.720 do too much? 1:06:25.800 --> 1:06:25.920 Though? 1:06:26.000 --> 1:06:27.600 Can It's like, hey, I'm gonna diet and it's dry 1:06:27.720 --> 1:06:30.320 January and I got I'm gonna start exercising and you 1:06:30.400 --> 1:06:32.760 start loading that up on your plate. Should you just 1:06:32.840 --> 1:06:34.880 pick one of the three or more? 1:06:37.560 --> 1:06:41.760 Whatever? Whatever you can sustain is always the best. Like, 1:06:41.920 --> 1:06:45.040 it is possible to go too hard just for your brain. No, 1:06:45.280 --> 1:06:47.800 health wise, no, it's not a thing. And that comes 1:06:47.880 --> 1:06:51.200 with a disclaimer. If you do drink moderate to severe 1:06:51.240 --> 1:06:54.040 amount of alcohol, I'm talking like three or four drinks 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:56.960 a day or more, I would consult a health professional 1:06:57.040 --> 1:07:00.640 before you go cold turkey. That's why risk, because the 1:07:00.720 --> 1:07:04.560 risks of alcohol withdrawal are very high. The other, you know, 1:07:04.720 --> 1:07:08.360 the other thing to your point is, uh, it's hard 1:07:08.440 --> 1:07:11.600 to it's hard to make change. And so if you've 1:07:11.680 --> 1:07:15.400 never tried, you know, improving your health before, I would 1:07:15.440 --> 1:07:18.280 recommend doing one thing now. This may be the thing 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:21.200 for you, especially if if you're drinking, you know, three 1:07:21.280 --> 1:07:22.960 plus times a week. Just dropping that. 1:07:23.120 --> 1:07:26.360 Again, better sleep leads to better health, Uh, at least 1:07:26.360 --> 1:07:26.960 a better mood. 1:07:27.000 --> 1:07:29.720 It leads to better social connections, and just try it 1:07:29.800 --> 1:07:33.040 out and see again. Like we were talking about before 1:07:33.120 --> 1:07:39.720 the break, the benefits of habit formation. You know, it's 1:07:39.840 --> 1:07:42.240 great if you can find a health habit, but it 1:07:42.360 --> 1:07:45.400 takes about three weeks to even start forming those connections 1:07:45.440 --> 1:07:48.080 in your brain. So that's the beauty of doing dry 1:07:48.160 --> 1:07:50.960 January fair an entire month because you can start building 1:07:51.040 --> 1:07:54.680 those habits and that ability to say no, I won't 1:07:54.760 --> 1:07:57.640 drink tonight and showing yourself the benefits of this. 1:07:59.120 --> 1:08:02.200 Yeah, I think that's fascinating because you know, you start 1:08:02.240 --> 1:08:04.360 to feel better, you notice those changes, and one may ask, well, 1:08:04.360 --> 1:08:06.120 why don't you keep You tend to fall back into 1:08:06.160 --> 1:08:08.040 the same pattern. No, I think, and you know, for 1:08:08.120 --> 1:08:09.840 the next eleven months you try to make up for 1:08:09.840 --> 1:08:10.960 the one month where you didn't drive. 1:08:10.960 --> 1:08:15.560 It's definitely possible to have that rebound, which is that 1:08:15.760 --> 1:08:18.599 reason of building those good habits and even the habit 1:08:18.680 --> 1:08:22.439 again of saying no or not sharing it. Now there's 1:08:22.840 --> 1:08:25.120 there's all these things that have been kind of set 1:08:25.200 --> 1:08:27.800 up for success for drand dry January. Where we lived 1:08:28.320 --> 1:08:31.120 right now at this time in history, and our beautiful city. 1:08:31.960 --> 1:08:34.599 You know, a ton of restaurants out there and bars 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:37.200 now have mocktails, so you have another option if you 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:40.280 don't want to drink alcohol. You know, if you if 1:08:40.280 --> 1:08:42.160 you name it, Homemakers is one of them that just 1:08:42.360 --> 1:08:45.760 prides themselves on their mocktails. Sundry Advice does it too, 1:08:46.120 --> 1:08:49.599 but almost every restaurant is doing mocktails, and so there 1:08:49.680 --> 1:08:51.519 are other options. And then if you know, I've had 1:08:51.560 --> 1:08:54.720 the Athletic Brewing, which is an alcoholic beer I don't 1:08:54.720 --> 1:08:57.400 even like I PAS, and their non alcoholic i PA 1:08:57.760 --> 1:09:01.120 is amazing, And so you know, there's there's a ton 1:09:01.160 --> 1:09:03.040 of options out there. The other thing is we have 1:09:03.600 --> 1:09:06.240 leaders in the industry of food and wine and drink 1:09:06.560 --> 1:09:09.560 that are you know, telling telling their alcohol story and 1:09:09.680 --> 1:09:13.439 talking about how they've achieved sobriety, Jose Salazar being one 1:09:13.479 --> 1:09:15.400 of them. And so you have leaders in our community 1:09:15.520 --> 1:09:19.000 that are speaking about the benefit of stopping alcohol intake. 1:09:19.080 --> 1:09:21.200 And so that's that's leading into it too. And then 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:23.920 again more and more people are doing it's now socially 1:09:23.960 --> 1:09:26.640 acceptable to not drink alcohol, which I don't think was 1:09:26.720 --> 1:09:28.519 the case you know twenty years ago. You know, you 1:09:28.920 --> 1:09:31.439 get made fun of or people would be like, are 1:09:31.520 --> 1:09:32.960 you pregnant? And even if you're a guy, you know, 1:09:33.960 --> 1:09:36.760 and now it's much more socially acceptable, and that's it's 1:09:36.920 --> 1:09:39.080 created a better, better society. 1:09:38.720 --> 1:09:39.200 For all of them. 1:09:39.280 --> 1:09:41.960 Yeah, yeah, it makes sense at this time of the year. 1:09:41.960 --> 1:09:45.000 As I mentioned the confluence of diet, exercise, not drinking, 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:47.640 all these things. If you make this part of a 1:09:47.920 --> 1:09:50.120 fast let's pivot to that real quick here too, because 1:09:50.600 --> 1:09:52.080 I know a lot of people at first the year 1:09:52.120 --> 1:09:54.080 they start a I got to clean up after the holidays, 1:09:54.080 --> 1:09:55.519 they had a couple of weeks off and I feel 1:09:55.600 --> 1:09:58.360 like crap, and I've got to reset my metabolism, my brain. 1:09:58.640 --> 1:10:00.880 Where are you on fasting? Does it actually work? And 1:10:00.960 --> 1:10:03.559 what you should What should you do if you're contemplating. 1:10:05.200 --> 1:10:07.080 It's tough. I know a lot of people who have 1:10:07.240 --> 1:10:10.240 had success with it. At the end of the day, 1:10:10.240 --> 1:10:12.599 a lot of people say that the fasting its main 1:10:12.640 --> 1:10:15.519 effect is that it's hard to eat all your caloric 1:10:15.600 --> 1:10:19.160 intake in one day. I'll be honest, I don't know 1:10:19.280 --> 1:10:20.880 all the data on it, and I know it gets 1:10:20.960 --> 1:10:23.400 down to a lot of minutia that I don't bother 1:10:23.520 --> 1:10:26.360 myself with. I mean, I'm still a simple guy who 1:10:26.439 --> 1:10:28.360 says calories in versus calories out. 1:10:28.680 --> 1:10:30.880 And there's you know, there's there's layers on top of that. 1:10:31.000 --> 1:10:33.000 Of the type of food you're bringing in, et cetera. 1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:35.600 And I just I try to be I try to 1:10:35.640 --> 1:10:37.800 live with a cleaner diet these days than I used to. 1:10:38.720 --> 1:10:40.960 For a while there, I was eating onhealthy and a 1:10:41.040 --> 1:10:44.240 lot of like inflammatory foods, and now I'm introducing more 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:47.760 fiber and nutrient rich foods to my diet and less 1:10:47.800 --> 1:10:51.639 processed stuff. As far as you know, it is possible 1:10:51.720 --> 1:10:54.439 to go too hard, and you know, if you're intimently fasting, 1:10:55.560 --> 1:10:58.799 it might work for you, it's really hard to maintain 1:10:58.920 --> 1:11:01.800 that long term. And so like with anything, I say, 1:11:02.160 --> 1:11:04.920 do what makes you feel better that you can maintain forever, 1:11:05.360 --> 1:11:08.840 as opposed to going hard and really clunging yourself and 1:11:08.960 --> 1:11:11.360 maybe seeing some benefits. But then when it's done, like 1:11:11.439 --> 1:11:14.920 you talked about, when it's done in February or whenever 1:11:15.000 --> 1:11:18.120 you decide to stop that process, you don't rebound and 1:11:18.280 --> 1:11:20.920 go crazy and you know, eat everything under the sun. 1:11:21.120 --> 1:11:25.360 So small changes are more important that you can sustain 1:11:25.520 --> 1:11:27.840 than one massive change that is just going to be 1:11:27.880 --> 1:11:28.520 a flash. 1:11:28.280 --> 1:11:28.599 In the pan. 1:11:29.040 --> 1:11:31.920 Yeah, I've heard success. People get older, you know, inflammatory disease, 1:11:32.200 --> 1:11:34.320 everything starts hurting, and as soon as you clean your 1:11:34.360 --> 1:11:36.080 diet up or fast for a while, you start to 1:11:36.120 --> 1:11:39.240 feel better. You know, you go into what's called katosis, 1:11:39.240 --> 1:11:41.720 where you're burning your fat basically you know, very low 1:11:41.800 --> 1:11:45.200 carbohydrates if any. But there's a certain benefit that mentally 1:11:45.320 --> 1:11:47.600 and physically as well. But of course you know, you 1:11:47.680 --> 1:11:51.360 can't fast for thirty straight days. There's a reasonable amount 1:11:51.400 --> 1:11:53.560 of time you should you should subject your body to that. 1:11:53.760 --> 1:11:57.120 So and then gradually introduce reintroduce foods that there are 1:11:57.120 --> 1:11:59.880 maybe less inflammatory. So as you get older, that definitely 1:12:00.560 --> 1:12:02.519 is that when you're younger, but you're older, everything hurts. 1:12:04.120 --> 1:12:06.599 Yeah, I mean there are Resilience is huge when we're 1:12:06.720 --> 1:12:08.360 when we're young. And then it starts to say that 1:12:08.479 --> 1:12:11.600 you and I have experienced. I'll say I did the 1:12:11.680 --> 1:12:14.320 Whole thirty diet, which is anti inflammatory and no alcohol. 1:12:14.720 --> 1:12:17.479 I did that for a January a few years ago, 1:12:17.960 --> 1:12:20.720 and the things I learned from that I took with me. 1:12:20.840 --> 1:12:22.720 Did I you know, do I go Whole thirty all 1:12:22.760 --> 1:12:23.040 the time? 1:12:23.200 --> 1:12:23.240 No? 1:12:23.439 --> 1:12:26.439 But do I see the things and the potential benefits 1:12:26.479 --> 1:12:30.080 and stopping alcohol and being more mindful about the food 1:12:30.120 --> 1:12:32.840 that I'm putting in my body. Yes, and so it's 1:12:33.560 --> 1:12:35.559 do it over time. The more you do it, I mean, 1:12:35.600 --> 1:12:38.960 it's almost like stopping any bad habit. Reflect on it, 1:12:39.280 --> 1:12:42.200 see how it makes you feel. You will probably you know, 1:12:42.680 --> 1:12:45.560 fail and even if you you know, if you do 1:12:45.680 --> 1:12:48.560 drive January back to that and you start you have 1:12:48.640 --> 1:12:51.240 a drink or to either in January, they're calling it 1:12:51.360 --> 1:12:52.640 damp January, where you like. 1:12:53.000 --> 1:12:56.600 Maybe slip up. It's better then, It's better than just 1:12:56.920 --> 1:12:59.519 you know, drinking every day or going back. It's okay. 1:13:00.200 --> 1:13:02.559 We're human after all, and it's okay to slip up 1:13:02.600 --> 1:13:05.040 every now and then, no matter what, you're doing your 1:13:05.120 --> 1:13:07.439 body a favor by decreasing your. 1:13:07.320 --> 1:13:11.120 Alcoholic Sonja Schewercramani is an er doctor here in Cincinnati 1:13:11.240 --> 1:13:13.280 and he comes on the show Thursday mornings. It's not 1:13:13.479 --> 1:13:16.400 just doctor stuff, it's health, food, fitness all that. He's 1:13:16.520 --> 1:13:19.639 at Dine Well Doc and we'll talk next Thursday. Appreciate 1:13:19.720 --> 1:13:20.639 the time, Be well. 1:13:21.640 --> 1:13:24.040 Thanks loaning YouTube Well. 1:13:24.000 --> 1:13:27.479 Minnesota continues to boil for obvious reasons. We're back to 1:13:27.560 --> 1:13:29.840 that again in the very latest news. Get you updated 1:13:29.840 --> 1:13:31.960 on all that and more in about four minutes here 1:13:32.360 --> 1:13:35.400 on seven hundred w OLWD Cincinnati, Want to be an 1:13:35.439 --> 1:13:40.160 American Shots Loan on seven hundred WWT, continuing to follow 1:13:40.200 --> 1:13:43.799 what's happening in Minnesota and that horrific set of events, 1:13:44.680 --> 1:13:46.880 and hard to believe it is only the eighth day 1:13:46.920 --> 1:13:48.640 of the new year. Every day there's something more we 1:13:48.680 --> 1:13:50.559 got it. We need to I think a new year reset, 1:13:50.600 --> 1:13:53.840 if you will. Other stuff going on includes, of course 1:13:53.840 --> 1:13:56.240 the battle over healthcare too, and we recently had a 1:13:56.280 --> 1:14:00.400 government shutdown that illustrated the silliness, absurdity with poult that 1:14:00.520 --> 1:14:03.880 we tolerate in this country right now, certainly in America. 1:14:03.960 --> 1:14:05.120 You know a lot of people still come here for 1:14:05.200 --> 1:14:08.320 health care renowned for research and development, and there's a 1:14:08.360 --> 1:14:10.840 lot of vesture in that. So you know, certainly the 1:14:10.880 --> 1:14:13.200 system is broken. It's not completely broken or it can't 1:14:13.200 --> 1:14:15.479 be fixed. But we're back to that critical issue of 1:14:15.600 --> 1:14:18.760 healthcare and getting people covered. On that is doctor Peter 1:14:18.880 --> 1:14:20.519 Cowie on the show this morning, How you been. 1:14:21.080 --> 1:14:25.479 Scott, Thanks for having me and I appreciate the invitation. 1:14:25.800 --> 1:14:28.680 Yeah, and I think this is extremely relevant now that 1:14:28.680 --> 1:14:31.640 we fight over healthcare subsidies and you know, you know, 1:14:31.680 --> 1:14:33.599 there are a number of Americans that are dependent upon 1:14:33.720 --> 1:14:36.600 that and working people who are working multiple jobs in 1:14:36.800 --> 1:14:40.519 order to try and survive today, and they need healthcare. 1:14:40.560 --> 1:14:43.519 It's not provided by their employer, and so ACA fills 1:14:43.560 --> 1:14:45.600 that void. They get high scores for that. But you know, 1:14:45.760 --> 1:14:48.960 to act like somehow it makes it affordable, it doesn't. 1:14:49.000 --> 1:14:52.439 Because the tremendous amount of subsidy that's at stake here, 1:14:53.040 --> 1:14:56.120 you continue to subsidize things, it distorts what the costs 1:14:56.200 --> 1:14:59.200 really are, and it really it just glosses over a 1:14:59.320 --> 1:15:03.120 broken system them in that regard, doesn't it absolutely. 1:15:03.560 --> 1:15:07.080 You know, we have two populations that are at risk here. 1:15:07.240 --> 1:15:12.080 One is obviously the uninsured, but there's a gigantic proportion 1:15:12.280 --> 1:15:15.760 of our population who are underinsured, so they have to 1:15:15.840 --> 1:15:19.200 pay large deductibles, they have to pay a lot of 1:15:19.680 --> 1:15:24.320 out of pocket expenses when they seek medical care. Those 1:15:24.360 --> 1:15:26.200 are the people who are really at risk here. And 1:15:26.320 --> 1:15:29.520 of course, with the reduction in the subsidies, their premiums 1:15:29.800 --> 1:15:30.600 look like they're going to. 1:15:30.600 --> 1:15:31.320 Go through the roof. 1:15:32.120 --> 1:15:36.280 Yeah, and we have lawmakers breaking away. I mean, Taylor 1:15:36.320 --> 1:15:39.400 Green from Georgia's just saying, look, listen, you know I've 1:15:39.439 --> 1:15:42.919 got family members that rely on subsidies on the Affordable 1:15:42.960 --> 1:15:45.240 Care Act in order to provide they're working a few jobs. 1:15:45.280 --> 1:15:46.880 I have family members that are like that right now. 1:15:47.320 --> 1:15:49.200 You know, this isn't like us against them and we 1:15:49.320 --> 1:15:51.840 might you know, it's because it's Obamacare. It must be destroyed. 1:15:52.800 --> 1:15:55.479 It's propping up a broken in defunct system, and something 1:15:55.560 --> 1:15:58.639 needs to be done because the future is not looking bright. 1:15:58.640 --> 1:16:00.560 And you're right about that in failure to treat what 1:16:00.720 --> 1:16:03.960 this really means for ordinary families as things continue the 1:16:04.000 --> 1:16:06.240 way they are. The broad picture on this, though, doctor 1:16:06.320 --> 1:16:09.280 Cowie is Here's what I don't understand, right, is that 1:16:09.439 --> 1:16:12.360 we have a not a good system was is with 1:16:12.520 --> 1:16:15.240 Medicare and Medicaid and the Affordable Character and Obamacare and 1:16:15.320 --> 1:16:17.880 things are being popped up and subsidized and it's ugly 1:16:17.960 --> 1:16:20.680 and it doesn't work the other side of it, I 1:16:20.760 --> 1:16:23.240 don't see many ideas come out of the Republicans though, 1:16:23.280 --> 1:16:25.720 when it comes to a better solution for this other 1:16:25.800 --> 1:16:28.519 than well, you know, it's socialized medicine and we can't 1:16:28.560 --> 1:16:30.920 have that. What's the solution. 1:16:32.200 --> 1:16:36.560 Yeah, so you're entirely correct, we can't. We have a 1:16:36.680 --> 1:16:40.280 patchwork system right now, we have people trying to get 1:16:40.320 --> 1:16:44.280 health insurance in several different directions, and as we've already said, 1:16:44.280 --> 1:16:48.920 at very high cost. It really is going to come down, unfortunately, 1:16:49.640 --> 1:16:53.080 to a debate about whether we should as a country, 1:16:53.640 --> 1:16:58.680 as a civilization here, but just say everybody has to 1:16:58.840 --> 1:17:03.280 have affordable healthcare, and in whatever form that's going to take. 1:17:04.160 --> 1:17:07.040 You've heard the term medicare for all. That may be 1:17:07.160 --> 1:17:09.880 a little bit large in terms of how much that 1:17:09.920 --> 1:17:13.120 would cost and whether it could be implemented. But the 1:17:13.240 --> 1:17:15.200 truth of the matter is that until we get to 1:17:15.320 --> 1:17:18.720 the point that we all agree that this is not 1:17:20.400 --> 1:17:22.920 a luxury, this is a necessity that we need to 1:17:23.000 --> 1:17:26.040 provide affordable healthcare for all of our citizens. Until we 1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:29.120 grasp that concept, I'm afraid that the system is not 1:17:29.240 --> 1:17:29.960 going to get fixed. 1:17:30.840 --> 1:17:34.080 In the Isey the overwriting story here regards of where 1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:36.200 you stand politically on this, the fact is it doesn't. 1:17:36.200 --> 1:17:38.880 I think everyone agrees in Republican Democrats know that it 1:17:38.960 --> 1:17:41.080 doesn't work the way it is, and it's something has 1:17:41.120 --> 1:17:44.040 to give because we spend what twice as much per 1:17:44.120 --> 1:17:47.280 person on healthcare as other countries who are wealthy, and 1:17:47.360 --> 1:17:50.519 something like thirteen thous or thirteen grand per person annually 1:17:50.560 --> 1:17:53.280 spend on healthcare, and a lot of those people don't 1:17:53.360 --> 1:17:55.680 use healthcare. We're talking about younger people who don't use 1:17:55.800 --> 1:17:58.439 healthcare as much as older people do. And we're not 1:17:58.479 --> 1:18:01.120 getting any better outcomes. Number one one cause of personal 1:18:01.240 --> 1:18:06.599 bankruptcy medical bills. That's no future for a that's still 1:18:06.600 --> 1:18:08.200 a recipe for future success. I should say. 1:18:09.280 --> 1:18:12.120 Now, we're spending four and a half trillion dollars a 1:18:12.240 --> 1:18:15.320 year on healthcare in the United States, projected in twenty 1:18:15.479 --> 1:18:18.759 thirty five to be closer to nine trillion dollars on healthcare, 1:18:19.200 --> 1:18:21.799 and yet, as you just said, and I completely agree, 1:18:22.600 --> 1:18:25.799 we sit at the bottom in ranks of civilized countries 1:18:25.840 --> 1:18:28.760 in terms of almost any healthcare outcome measure you want 1:18:28.760 --> 1:18:35.040 to use, infant mortality, life expectancy. It is not a 1:18:35.160 --> 1:18:36.160 system that's working. 1:18:37.439 --> 1:18:38.960 But we have the recently. 1:18:39.120 --> 1:18:42.320 You're preamble by the way, I really appreciate it, because you're. 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:43.400 Right, you know you can. 1:18:43.760 --> 1:18:47.040 The glass isn't completely empty half empty. There's a lot 1:18:47.120 --> 1:18:50.280 of really good things about our healthcare system. The problem 1:18:50.400 --> 1:18:50.840 is access. 1:18:51.160 --> 1:18:53.960 The problem is allowing people to get into the system 1:18:54.000 --> 1:18:57.240 so that they can take advantage of this wonderful technology 1:18:57.360 --> 1:18:58.800 and innovation that we have here. 1:18:59.120 --> 1:19:02.679 Yeah, we saw the murder of the CEO of United 1:19:02.760 --> 1:19:06.639 Healthcare and the reaction that I saw from a number 1:19:06.640 --> 1:19:09.519 of people sickening that we're celebrating the death of the 1:19:09.600 --> 1:19:11.559 CEO of a company like he is the one driving 1:19:11.640 --> 1:19:15.120 this problem people. And I get it, you know, it's 1:19:15.160 --> 1:19:17.639 a metaphor for the system that's broken. But I don't 1:19:17.720 --> 1:19:21.680 understand celebrating someone's assassination basically is what happened here? What 1:19:21.760 --> 1:19:23.200 does that tell you about where we're in and how 1:19:23.280 --> 1:19:25.080 much of that has to do? And I get it. 1:19:25.160 --> 1:19:28.320 You know, insurance companies and insurers they stand the most 1:19:28.400 --> 1:19:30.920 to gain by well what the democrats want. A lot 1:19:30.960 --> 1:19:33.080 of this money is going to go to UH. If 1:19:33.120 --> 1:19:35.680 you subsidize anything, what happens is you just it just 1:19:35.800 --> 1:19:37.720 costs you more. College is a great example. You know, 1:19:37.800 --> 1:19:40.639 we subsidize college. Everyone has to go to college free 1:19:40.680 --> 1:19:43.200 college money grants tuition on the thing, and college is 1:19:43.320 --> 1:19:45.559 raised it. Okay, we'll just going to charge more because 1:19:45.600 --> 1:19:47.960 more people have its more money and it's artificial till 1:19:48.000 --> 1:19:49.599 you have to pay it. The same thing is true here, 1:19:49.680 --> 1:19:49.920 isn't it. 1:19:50.840 --> 1:19:54.719 Yeah? I agree entirely would you song with the reaction 1:19:55.000 --> 1:20:00.120 to that unfortunate event is how angry people are. I 1:20:00.200 --> 1:20:02.720 think what you saw was a reflection of their frustration 1:20:03.400 --> 1:20:07.880 and their anger with dealing with healthcare insurance companies that 1:20:08.600 --> 1:20:11.560 they really don't care about you. I mean, they've advertise 1:20:11.640 --> 1:20:13.560 on television how much they care, and the truth of 1:20:13.600 --> 1:20:14.960 the matter is they don't. I don't know if you 1:20:15.080 --> 1:20:18.919 saw recently, Scott, that a number of companies, including Medicare 1:20:18.960 --> 1:20:22.120 as well, are now going to go to pre certification 1:20:22.280 --> 1:20:23.880 done by artificial intelligence. 1:20:24.160 --> 1:20:24.920 Now think about that. 1:20:25.360 --> 1:20:27.800 Think about that your doctor orders a test and some 1:20:28.000 --> 1:20:30.080 computer is going to make a decision as to whether 1:20:30.240 --> 1:20:30.400 or not. 1:20:31.080 --> 1:20:32.400 You can get that test done or not. 1:20:32.680 --> 1:20:35.840 I mean, that's the level of the absurdity that's going 1:20:35.920 --> 1:20:39.679 on with pre certification, for example, or denials of care. 1:20:39.880 --> 1:20:43.360 And in the book as failure to treat their numerous 1:20:44.000 --> 1:20:48.599 examples in the stories about people who suffered really severe 1:20:48.680 --> 1:20:52.599 harm because of what happens with their medical insurance system 1:20:52.920 --> 1:20:54.000 as it currently exists. 1:20:54.120 --> 1:20:54.960 Oh, you don't have to. 1:20:54.960 --> 1:20:57.240 Look far to find those examples that you know, the 1:20:57.640 --> 1:20:59.200 things that you think are covered, and they try to 1:20:59.200 --> 1:21:01.080 find a way not to cover it. Or you know, 1:21:01.120 --> 1:21:04.040 it's almost a It's hard enough when your child, for example, 1:21:04.120 --> 1:21:06.559 as you know doctor Cowie is ill and you're trying 1:21:06.560 --> 1:21:09.840 to get them treatment for something like pediatric cancer, heart 1:21:09.960 --> 1:21:11.840 or some sort of serious illness like that, and then 1:21:12.280 --> 1:21:14.679 you're waging a war with the insurance company on top 1:21:14.720 --> 1:21:15.959 of that. It seems punitive. 1:21:16.920 --> 1:21:21.320 Yeah, and don't don't believe that the doctors aren't advocating. 1:21:21.360 --> 1:21:26.120 I mean, my office spends almost a full fte just 1:21:26.280 --> 1:21:30.000 dealing with insurance companies to get certification for procedures. And 1:21:30.479 --> 1:21:32.679 they put you on hold for a couple of hours 1:21:32.760 --> 1:21:34.600 and you have to wait there until they've decided to 1:21:34.640 --> 1:21:37.280 come on the phone. And then when they deny something, 1:21:37.920 --> 1:21:40.679 you have to go into a complicated system of trying 1:21:40.760 --> 1:21:43.519 to appeal to appeal the decision, and you have to 1:21:43.600 --> 1:21:46.560 go up in the ladder to what they call a 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:49.880 peer review and talk to somebody who may not even 1:21:49.920 --> 1:21:52.920 be in your specialty to make a decision about coverage. 1:21:52.960 --> 1:21:56.480 So the system is rotten. Okay, it's a rotten system. 1:21:56.240 --> 1:22:00.880 And unfortunately we've adapted to a tried to live with it. 1:22:00.960 --> 1:22:02.360 But it has to it has to change. 1:22:02.439 --> 1:22:04.680 Well, we've heard that for a long time, though, What 1:22:04.880 --> 1:22:06.600 is going to be the change agent here? Is it 1:22:06.680 --> 1:22:09.760 going to be one extreme case, one extreme example, kind 1:22:09.800 --> 1:22:12.920 of like you know, when we have a terror attack, 1:22:13.000 --> 1:22:15.240 everything changed after nine to eleven. Do we need like 1:22:15.360 --> 1:22:18.200 a medical nine to eleven to occur? And what would 1:22:18.200 --> 1:22:18.519 that look like? 1:22:18.640 --> 1:22:21.240 Yeah, yeah, you know, I wondered. 1:22:21.280 --> 1:22:24.080 I've wondered this myself. You know, I used to think 1:22:24.160 --> 1:22:28.280 that when the Sandy Hook shootings occurred and all those 1:22:28.360 --> 1:22:31.679 children were massacred, that that was going to stimulate change 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:35.000 in the gun laws. And it didn't. Uh, it almost 1:22:35.320 --> 1:22:38.240 rised the level of absurdity of what you need to 1:22:38.400 --> 1:22:42.280 do to convince legislators. And that's where this has to 1:22:42.320 --> 1:22:44.560 come from. Right, We need we need major changes in 1:22:44.640 --> 1:22:48.200 our regulation of insurance companies and laws. What's it going 1:22:48.280 --> 1:22:50.439 to take to get these people off the dime and 1:22:50.960 --> 1:22:53.280 make them understand that we need to move forward and 1:22:53.320 --> 1:22:54.240 make the system better. 1:22:54.360 --> 1:22:56.840 Well, you know, I thought of the Sandy Hook allerg 1:22:57.840 --> 1:22:59.960 but I don't know if I entirely agree that because 1:23:01.000 --> 1:23:02.560 there you have, Okay, you have a second amendment, we 1:23:02.600 --> 1:23:05.479 have second membright to arm ourselves and that is a 1:23:06.200 --> 1:23:08.400 I don't think European countries understand the second amoment, how 1:23:08.439 --> 1:23:09.840 powerful it is and what you can do. And we 1:23:09.880 --> 1:23:12.760 put a lot of laws in place to again keep 1:23:12.800 --> 1:23:15.200 guns on the hands of criminals, but also impacts most 1:23:15.320 --> 1:23:17.840 most people don't guns, are law abiding citizens. And there's 1:23:17.840 --> 1:23:19.880 also a mental health component. Use a physician know that, 1:23:20.000 --> 1:23:22.920 and you know what about people who commit domestic violence acts? 1:23:22.960 --> 1:23:24.920 And well, we have HIPPA, but we can't disclose. And 1:23:25.040 --> 1:23:27.519 when you fill out your federal firearms form, you know 1:23:27.680 --> 1:23:29.760 you may have mental health issues, but you're not going 1:23:29.760 --> 1:23:31.120 to admit it, or maybe you don't know what you 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:33.000 think the rest of the world's crazy and you're normal 1:23:33.240 --> 1:23:35.439 and you go, yeah, I'm perfectly fine. And then they 1:23:35.479 --> 1:23:38.200 go on a mass shooting. But there's none of that 1:23:38.439 --> 1:23:40.280 in play here. You don't have that. But when you 1:23:40.400 --> 1:23:43.360 have both sides agreeing right that the healthcare system is 1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:45.920 broken needs to be fixed, there's no hey, there's an 1:23:45.960 --> 1:23:49.240 amendment that says you're not entitled to healthcare, or there's 1:23:49.280 --> 1:23:51.280 no opposition this. We all agree in the same thing, 1:23:51.320 --> 1:23:53.320 and yet we can't do anything to me. That's the 1:23:53.479 --> 1:23:54.760 most frustrating part about this. 1:23:55.479 --> 1:23:59.880 Yeah, I completely agree that they're not now necessarily and now. 1:24:00.000 --> 1:24:03.800 I guess, however, think about this that the Republicans are 1:24:03.960 --> 1:24:08.040 denying the fact right now, they're denying the fact that 1:24:09.280 --> 1:24:13.320 cutting Medicaid and Medicare in the big beautiful bill. They're 1:24:13.400 --> 1:24:15.600 denying the fact that that is going to cause a 1:24:15.720 --> 1:24:18.880 disaster in American medicine when everybody knows that it's going 1:24:18.960 --> 1:24:20.600 to hospitals. 1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:22.280 Are already teeter tottering right. 1:24:22.360 --> 1:24:25.120 I mean, the majority of hospitalsiness country are operating in 1:24:25.200 --> 1:24:30.760 the red. Seventeen percent of hospitals last year either bankrupted 1:24:31.080 --> 1:24:35.000 or came close to bankruptcy. And these are royal hospitals, 1:24:35.120 --> 1:24:38.760 creating these healthcare deserts. I mean, if the Medicaid thing 1:24:38.880 --> 1:24:42.000 goes in to effect and the hospitals can no longer 1:24:42.840 --> 1:24:47.840 rely on that revenue, it could actually be a complete catastrophe, 1:24:47.920 --> 1:24:50.679 and the Republicans need to know that, but they're they're 1:24:50.720 --> 1:24:51.240 in denial. 1:24:52.320 --> 1:24:54.920 Would that be the medical nine eleven we're talking about? 1:24:55.840 --> 1:24:59.640 I think absolutely, Scott, that could be the disaster that 1:25:00.240 --> 1:25:02.439 finally which people up. But the problem is that once 1:25:02.520 --> 1:25:06.280 it happens, yeah, getting reversing it it may take years 1:25:06.600 --> 1:25:08.320 and people are going to die. 1:25:08.280 --> 1:25:08.720 Because of it. 1:25:08.880 --> 1:25:11.360 I have a family in rural Ohio. You listening, you 1:25:11.439 --> 1:25:12.960 might have that as well, or like at least you 1:25:13.040 --> 1:25:15.559 know someone because you know, we're in a big city. 1:25:15.600 --> 1:25:18.240 We're in Cincinnati, Ohio. We have Columbus, we have Cleveland. 1:25:18.320 --> 1:25:21.439 We have mid sized cities like Dayton and Toledo and 1:25:21.520 --> 1:25:24.640 elsewhere in our listening area. But the bulk of all 1:25:24.720 --> 1:25:27.679 eighty eight counties are pretty rural in Ohio. And I've 1:25:27.720 --> 1:25:32.040 seen firsthand clinics and hospitals closed because they just don't 1:25:32.080 --> 1:25:34.360 have the people coming in and can't afford the staffing 1:25:34.400 --> 1:25:36.920 and everything, all the compliance and everything else in order 1:25:37.000 --> 1:25:39.760 to operate a modern hospital. There's just it's not profitable. 1:25:40.760 --> 1:25:42.280 And I know a lot of people cringe at the 1:25:42.400 --> 1:25:45.840 states taking over health care, but I don't know, can 1:25:45.920 --> 1:25:47.720 this be? And we tell you, yeah, I look, I go, 1:25:47.800 --> 1:25:50.880 all right, well, we know healthcare. We've seen hospitals clothes 1:25:50.920 --> 1:25:52.800 in rural areas. It's happening as we speak right now. 1:25:52.800 --> 1:25:55.360 It doesn't get to play simply because it's flyover country. 1:25:56.520 --> 1:25:58.760 People lose all their healthcare, they lose all hope. At 1:25:58.800 --> 1:26:00.840 that point, we're gonna have people eyeing of things that 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:05.160 were easily fixable just weeks and months and years ago 1:26:05.200 --> 1:26:08.080 as opposed to to right now and at some point 1:26:08.120 --> 1:26:09.760 that it's going to come to a tipping point, because 1:26:09.800 --> 1:26:11.760 you're right, these hospitals can't run profitable. But you look, 1:26:11.880 --> 1:26:14.280 listen to this can go oad a minute. If every man, woman, 1:26:14.320 --> 1:26:16.720 a child, we're spending like thirteen thousand dollars plus on 1:26:16.840 --> 1:26:19.760 average for our healthcare system. We were it's not that 1:26:19.800 --> 1:26:21.800 we're not spending money. Where's the money going? 1:26:22.600 --> 1:26:25.200 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well, it's going into the pockets of 1:26:25.280 --> 1:26:28.640 people like in private equity, for example, they've taken over 1:26:28.680 --> 1:26:31.080 a lot of these hospital systems and managed to bankrupt 1:26:31.120 --> 1:26:34.120 them and close them for profit. But if you recall 1:26:34.200 --> 1:26:36.360 in the book A Failure to Treat, there's a story 1:26:36.400 --> 1:26:40.000 about a baby and a parents who were trying to 1:26:40.040 --> 1:26:42.559 get their baby to a hospital in a rural early 1:26:42.640 --> 1:26:45.920 This is an affluent couple. This isn't just about this 1:26:46.080 --> 1:26:49.559 isn't just about an indigen people. This is everybody trying. 1:26:49.400 --> 1:26:51.400 To get their baby to a hospital. And when they 1:26:51.479 --> 1:26:54.160 pull up to the emergency room, the hospital had closed 1:26:54.720 --> 1:26:57.040 and they ended up having another driv another twenty five 1:26:57.080 --> 1:26:59.360 miles to get to a hospital. By the time they 1:26:59.400 --> 1:27:02.680 got there, they was beyond fixing and died and that 1:27:02.800 --> 1:27:05.760 these are true stories. This is a true story of 1:27:05.920 --> 1:27:07.679 what can happen in our healthcare system. 1:27:07.720 --> 1:27:08.200 And you're right. 1:27:08.680 --> 1:27:11.680 If that starts happening on a big, high level. 1:27:11.560 --> 1:27:13.519 Big scale, it could be. 1:27:13.720 --> 1:27:15.759 It could be the Armygeddon that you're talking about. 1:27:15.960 --> 1:27:18.200 Yeah, and I get the private equity element too, but 1:27:18.280 --> 1:27:20.080 they come in and go, hey, listen, you know you're 1:27:20.120 --> 1:27:24.280 not profitable, Well, we'll buy a stake, we'll buy you out, 1:27:24.320 --> 1:27:26.439 we'll take you And of course they're about squeezing the 1:27:26.680 --> 1:27:30.000 last remaining dollars out there. And that is the nature 1:27:30.280 --> 1:27:35.040 of how our enterprises, the conditions in which we engage 1:27:35.080 --> 1:27:38.400 in America today, of course, is capitalism. And that's the 1:27:38.520 --> 1:27:40.360 ugly side of it, to be sure. But you know, 1:27:40.400 --> 1:27:42.560 it used to be a government be kind of like 1:27:42.640 --> 1:27:45.240 a referee in these things, and that's long since gone 1:27:45.280 --> 1:27:47.800 away with modern politics the way it is. He is 1:27:47.920 --> 1:27:51.280 doctor Peter Cowi. He's a cardiologist, public health expert. Failure 1:27:51.360 --> 1:27:53.080 to treat as the book and where things are headed 1:27:53.120 --> 1:27:56.519 here with our broken healthcare system that both Republicans and 1:27:56.560 --> 1:27:59.720 Democrats agree on, it's broken and has to change. There's 1:27:59.720 --> 1:28:01.559 got to be a change age in company. He believes 1:28:01.600 --> 1:28:04.799 it's going to be more healthcare deserts, meaning rural hospital 1:28:04.840 --> 1:28:08.519 shutting down and people dying, uh, largely from trauma. I mean, 1:28:08.800 --> 1:28:11.280 you're telling me that people can literally bleed out because 1:28:11.320 --> 1:28:14.519 there's no physician or emergency room to treat them in 1:28:14.520 --> 1:28:16.559 a rural area. And we're talking about people who are 1:28:16.840 --> 1:28:20.800 farmers a lot of agricultural areas. And as we take 1:28:20.880 --> 1:28:23.120 the information super Highway and put it more rural areas 1:28:23.160 --> 1:28:25.360 because of the technology, well we'll see people who have 1:28:25.760 --> 1:28:28.160 met in a motor vehicle accident or you know, cut 1:28:28.200 --> 1:28:30.040 themselves of the saw that wind up dying, is what 1:28:30.120 --> 1:28:32.639 you're saying, when just a few weeks ago they could 1:28:32.680 --> 1:28:35.160 go to the clinic and get sutured up. That's kind 1:28:35.160 --> 1:28:38.840 of and it's like an almost third world It sounds like, uh. 1:28:38.960 --> 1:28:41.800 Yeah, well, you know there are many areas you're write about, 1:28:41.840 --> 1:28:45.720 absolutely right about trauma. Think about obstetrical obstetrical care. How 1:28:45.760 --> 1:28:48.639 many hospitals not they might not necessarily closed, but they've 1:28:48.680 --> 1:28:52.280 closed their obstetrical programs, so women have no place to 1:28:52.360 --> 1:28:56.040 deliver their baby. And and there's many reasons for that. 1:28:56.439 --> 1:28:59.160 For the reasons we just discussed. There's there are financial issues, 1:28:59.200 --> 1:29:03.840 but there's also liability. Now doctors are not going into obstetrics. 1:29:03.880 --> 1:29:06.640 We have a severe shortage of obstetrical physicians in the 1:29:06.760 --> 1:29:08.360 United States, especially in. 1:29:08.840 --> 1:29:10.120 The West and the Midwest. 1:29:10.680 --> 1:29:13.800 And so you're a woman, you're going to deliver your baby, 1:29:13.800 --> 1:29:16.080 you have to drive fifty miles to find someplace where 1:29:16.080 --> 1:29:17.280 they'll deliver your baby for you. 1:29:17.520 --> 1:29:18.000 Think about that. 1:29:18.720 --> 1:29:22.480 You can hang on after your water breaks. 1:29:22.320 --> 1:29:26.599 Right, I mean, it's insane, but that's exactly what's happening. 1:29:26.640 --> 1:29:29.280 And the thing that's really maddening about this is that 1:29:30.080 --> 1:29:33.439 the public does occasionally take notice of this stuff, but 1:29:33.560 --> 1:29:35.760 they hadn't risen up to the extent that I thought 1:29:35.800 --> 1:29:38.240 that they might. And the book is really kind of 1:29:38.320 --> 1:29:40.360 a clarion call for people, the. 1:29:40.439 --> 1:29:43.679 Public as well as practitioners to speak up, to talk 1:29:43.760 --> 1:29:46.200 to their legislators, to make sure that they understand that 1:29:46.280 --> 1:29:48.360 this is an initiative they really have to deal with. 1:29:50.160 --> 1:29:53.360 He's doctor Peter Cowey's cardiologists public health expert. The book 1:29:53.479 --> 1:29:55.519 is a failure to treat and what things look like 1:29:56.080 --> 1:29:59.599 maybe in a not so future dystopian future for that matter, 1:29:59.640 --> 1:30:01.479 it sounds it's just dope being to me and like 1:30:01.560 --> 1:30:04.200 the stuff of movies. But this is reality. If things 1:30:04.320 --> 1:30:06.360 continue to go the way they are, the question is 1:30:06.600 --> 1:30:08.200 who wakes up and says, all right, we got to 1:30:08.200 --> 1:30:11.320 blow this thing up. You know, government subsidized healthcare costs 1:30:11.360 --> 1:30:14.280 way more money, and tell me, subsidize something. It becomes 1:30:14.360 --> 1:30:17.320 grossly more inefficient and really doesn't help those who would 1:30:17.320 --> 1:30:20.160 serve to help, because, let's face it, the insurance companies, 1:30:20.200 --> 1:30:21.880 the middle men, are the ones taking the money from 1:30:21.880 --> 1:30:24.920 the government here as the holdout continues on the other side, 1:30:24.960 --> 1:30:26.960 if we just go, well, you know what, we can't 1:30:27.000 --> 1:30:29.360 have socialized medicine. Well what's your alternative? 1:30:29.400 --> 1:30:29.559 Well? 1:30:29.720 --> 1:30:32.360 Nothing. Maybe the simple solution is as simply, and I've 1:30:32.360 --> 1:30:33.920 said this for a long time, the easiest thing to 1:30:34.000 --> 1:30:37.200 be doctor Cowie would be to take away the burden 1:30:37.280 --> 1:30:39.640 for providers like yourself. Imagine if you don't have to 1:30:39.720 --> 1:30:43.919 employ an entire team behind the scenes for medical billing, coding, Medicare, 1:30:44.040 --> 1:30:46.560 Medicaid and all that nonsense, and just go listen, you 1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:49.560 get sick, here's how much it costs. Pay it or 1:30:49.640 --> 1:30:53.680 get for cast drivic situations, Just get catastrophic insurance and 1:30:53.800 --> 1:30:56.639 pay that much Like you do your homeowners your auto insurance, 1:30:56.800 --> 1:30:59.120 your life insurance. Go to a system like that and 1:30:59.160 --> 1:31:01.360 get your employer the health all of the business providing healthcare. 1:31:01.520 --> 1:31:02.679 I think would solve the problem. 1:31:04.040 --> 1:31:07.320 I think what you're suggesting has tremendous merit, and there 1:31:07.360 --> 1:31:10.360 are many people who believe that you're correct. That we've 1:31:10.560 --> 1:31:17.400 created an infrastructure of health insurance companies, administrators. We have 1:31:17.560 --> 1:31:20.280 more administrators in our hospital than we have nurses. Yeah, 1:31:21.640 --> 1:31:25.879 to get rid of this gigantic infrastructure that we probably 1:31:25.960 --> 1:31:28.360 don't need and return to some kind of a more 1:31:28.400 --> 1:31:32.000 simplistic approach to payment. And I completely agree with your 1:31:32.080 --> 1:31:35.160 catastrophic insurance for those situations where things get a little 1:31:35.160 --> 1:31:38.080 out of control and you're very ill. But yeah, it's 1:31:38.160 --> 1:31:40.720 going to take people to wake up and have a 1:31:40.800 --> 1:31:44.400 little common sense about this, and hopefully the book and 1:31:44.920 --> 1:31:47.400 your radio program will get people. 1:31:47.280 --> 1:31:48.240 Motivated in the right now. 1:31:48.280 --> 1:31:50.320 All we have to do is eliminate the administrative and 1:31:50.360 --> 1:31:53.880 bureaucratic class that's a problem. It's too big in medical medical, 1:31:54.360 --> 1:31:56.280 it's too big in government, it's too big in schools. 1:31:56.360 --> 1:31:58.599 You name where the problem is, it's because we've got 1:31:58.640 --> 1:32:01.360 a bloated administrative and or credit class. That's the problem. 1:32:01.400 --> 1:32:04.040 All the best doctor luck with the book, Yeah. 1:32:03.840 --> 1:32:04.880 I appreciate it very much. 1:32:04.880 --> 1:32:06.000 Scott, have a good one. 1:32:06.120 --> 1:32:07.599 I've got to get a news update. Aroun a little 1:32:07.600 --> 1:32:10.200 bit late here, very lates on what's happening in Minnesota. 1:32:10.280 --> 1:32:14.040 More tragedy in our lives here. Seven hundred WWT Cincinnati. 1:32:16.000 --> 1:32:20.360 Jeez, the Princess of property, the Queen of closings. 1:32:21.120 --> 1:32:26.000 But touch us out deals. It's realistic time with Michelle Sloan, 1:32:26.840 --> 1:32:27.840 all hailed. 1:32:27.760 --> 1:32:32.040 The bestest Remax time agent I've ever met on seven 1:32:32.160 --> 1:32:34.560 hundred WLW. Alright, what's going on? 1:32:34.840 --> 1:32:39.760 You'd be, well, you're starting this off on a real 1:32:39.840 --> 1:32:40.640 pleasant you know. 1:32:40.800 --> 1:32:42.560 Tomorrow, well, I won't be here because I have to 1:32:42.640 --> 1:32:45.360 escort you to surgery for your knee. Get your knee 1:32:45.400 --> 1:32:45.800 cleaned up. 1:32:46.200 --> 1:32:48.840 I'm getting a second knee replacement. 1:32:49.000 --> 1:32:52.920 The left one was done six exactly six weeks ago, 1:32:54.080 --> 1:32:56.760 and mister wright Side is going to be. 1:32:58.760 --> 1:33:04.000 Going to be replaced tomorrow. And I be honest, I am. 1:33:04.479 --> 1:33:07.800 I don't know if I'm more nervous about this procedure 1:33:08.000 --> 1:33:09.840 than I was the first one, because the first one 1:33:09.880 --> 1:33:11.880 I did, really I didn't know. 1:33:12.680 --> 1:33:14.639 I knew that we were going in surgery. I knew 1:33:14.640 --> 1:33:15.840 it was going to be serious, but. 1:33:16.439 --> 1:33:17.160 Not that serious. 1:33:17.320 --> 1:33:19.840 It's like legos man. They just snapping and you're out there. 1:33:19.880 --> 1:33:22.200 You're walking around in a major surgery. 1:33:22.640 --> 1:33:24.960 You don't you dismiss its to be a big deal. 1:33:25.000 --> 1:33:26.280 Now it's really not that anymore. 1:33:26.400 --> 1:33:28.680 Yeah, it's a big deal. It's a big deal when 1:33:28.720 --> 1:33:29.439 it's your leg. 1:33:29.520 --> 1:33:33.240 They're cutting into and taking bones out and crunching things, 1:33:33.320 --> 1:33:36.040 and then you're having weeks and weeks. 1:33:35.760 --> 1:33:37.360 Of pain in your recovery. 1:33:37.800 --> 1:33:40.479 Well, you know what, again, pretty blessed because these things 1:33:40.479 --> 1:33:42.280 are fixable. There's plenty of people who are sick and 1:33:42.439 --> 1:33:44.720 it's not fixable. So I will take this, you know, 1:33:45.439 --> 1:33:46.800 you know, kids will lie of the people are here, 1:33:46.960 --> 1:33:48.920 break my chops about this stuff? Are you getting old? 1:33:48.960 --> 1:33:49.080 You know? 1:33:49.120 --> 1:33:50.680 You gotta go and you have surgery done. It's like 1:33:50.800 --> 1:33:52.120 it's you know, it's like having a car. You hit 1:33:52.120 --> 1:33:54.200 one hundred thousand dollars. You got to get new spark plugs, 1:33:54.280 --> 1:33:58.120 timing chain, diming belts, gotta get done. You gotta let's 1:33:58.160 --> 1:34:02.000 swap out the transmission fluid and it's one hundred thousand miles. 1:34:02.040 --> 1:34:02.439 It's like that. 1:34:02.640 --> 1:34:03.280 That's what this is. 1:34:03.520 --> 1:34:06.320 No, I do feel very blessed because the left knee 1:34:06.600 --> 1:34:09.400 has recovered to a point where for the most part 1:34:09.439 --> 1:34:11.679 it should be able to support me as I recover 1:34:11.880 --> 1:34:12.639 on the right knee. 1:34:14.240 --> 1:34:20.360 But you know, it's it's not without its concerns, and yeah. 1:34:20.560 --> 1:34:22.280 The rehab is a hard part. It's like an and 1:34:22.400 --> 1:34:24.240 I will say you are committed, because normally you give 1:34:24.320 --> 1:34:26.080 up on stuff, but this you've been like, well, no, 1:34:26.200 --> 1:34:29.640 I can't really tenacious about this whole things. Absolutely, All right, 1:34:29.840 --> 1:34:32.320 let's talk real estate related stuff, tiny, tim, what do 1:34:32.360 --> 1:34:32.599 you got? 1:34:32.960 --> 1:34:33.320 All right? 1:34:33.400 --> 1:34:36.719 Well, President Trump gave us some big news, big news 1:34:36.840 --> 1:34:39.760 in the world of real estate yesterday. He announced that 1:34:40.720 --> 1:34:45.639 some of the most aggressive housing reform in American history 1:34:45.800 --> 1:34:49.960 is on the way. He wants to prohibit large institutional 1:34:50.040 --> 1:34:54.280 investors from buying single family homes, saying that you know, 1:34:54.920 --> 1:34:59.000 homes should be owned by people and not corporations. I 1:34:59.080 --> 1:35:05.080 think that's real, really interesting, and I personally find it 1:35:05.360 --> 1:35:08.240 quite fascinating. Now, the one thing is we don't have 1:35:08.320 --> 1:35:12.479 any details. It's just him talking on yeah right when. 1:35:12.439 --> 1:35:12.840 He was on. 1:35:14.000 --> 1:35:16.439 It doesn't mean anything yet, but I do think it has. 1:35:16.720 --> 1:35:22.719 It definitely has some momentum because the stock market definitely 1:35:22.920 --> 1:35:26.120 reacted yesterday. A lot of the Democrats have said, hey, 1:35:26.200 --> 1:35:28.040 we've been telling you that we need to do this 1:35:28.280 --> 1:35:32.599 for many years, so it may have some bipartisan support, 1:35:32.640 --> 1:35:36.400 which would be very very interesting. So the one thing 1:35:36.600 --> 1:35:39.480 is this is this is a quote I am immediately 1:35:39.600 --> 1:35:44.400 taking steps to ban large institutional investors from buying more 1:35:45.160 --> 1:35:46.360 single family homes. 1:35:46.439 --> 1:35:52.519 Okay, okay, I feel it sounds like, yeah, I feel. 1:35:52.320 --> 1:35:54.760 Like the damage is done and the homes that these 1:35:54.880 --> 1:35:59.120 companies are holding, they're going to continue to hold, right, 1:35:59.600 --> 1:36:02.920 And so it's interesting the mega investors, so it doesn't 1:36:02.920 --> 1:36:05.360 look like they're going after he would be going after 1:36:05.439 --> 1:36:09.200 the mom and pop investors, the people that have like 1:36:09.360 --> 1:36:13.560 fifty properties or less. They're looking for the big, the 1:36:13.600 --> 1:36:19.280 big guns. So interestingly enough, there's only thirty two institutional 1:36:19.520 --> 1:36:24.600 investors that own more than a thousand single family properties. 1:36:25.560 --> 1:36:28.240 I find that's interesting. And you know how many properties 1:36:28.479 --> 1:36:28.920 they own? 1:36:29.720 --> 1:36:30.559 Eleventy billion? 1:36:31.040 --> 1:36:34.200 No, only about five hundred thousand across the country. 1:36:34.400 --> 1:36:34.960 Really a lot. 1:36:35.320 --> 1:36:38.120 That's like a drop in the bucket. No, yeah, that's 1:36:38.360 --> 1:36:39.160 not very many. 1:36:39.320 --> 1:36:43.479 So it may not be the impact that all of 1:36:43.560 --> 1:36:47.000 the headlines are saying, because you know, Devil's in the details. 1:36:47.040 --> 1:36:47.640 It always is. 1:36:48.280 --> 1:36:51.479 And it's really interesting because one in three in the 1:36:51.560 --> 1:36:53.840 last year, so in twenty twenty five, one in three 1:36:53.880 --> 1:36:58.000 homes were purchased by investors. But it doesn't mean that 1:36:58.160 --> 1:37:02.320 these mega investors are the ones that are buying these properties. 1:37:02.800 --> 1:37:03.720 It's the people who are. 1:37:03.720 --> 1:37:05.920 Doing the buy and flip, the people that are going 1:37:06.000 --> 1:37:08.760 to hold them and build a small portfolio so that 1:37:08.880 --> 1:37:14.240 they can help pay for their generational wealth. But it 1:37:14.320 --> 1:37:18.200 doesn't necessarily mean it's these big guys. So you're going 1:37:18.280 --> 1:37:22.880 after the big guys and the results interestingly on the 1:37:22.920 --> 1:37:26.720 stock market. So open Door is a company that does 1:37:26.840 --> 1:37:31.920 business in Cincinnati. They buy and sell properties. They're trading 1:37:32.040 --> 1:37:36.439 down eleven and a half percent yesterday. The stocks from 1:37:36.479 --> 1:37:40.960 some of the other big names, Blackstone, Invitation Homes and 1:37:41.280 --> 1:37:44.880 American Homes for Rent. Now, American Homes for Rent has 1:37:44.960 --> 1:37:49.200 a very big presence in the Cincinnati market, especially in Mainville. 1:37:49.439 --> 1:37:50.360 There's a couple of. 1:37:52.000 --> 1:37:55.800 Neighborhoods that have Back in the two thousand and eight 1:37:55.840 --> 1:37:57.519 two thousand and nine we had the crash and we 1:37:57.640 --> 1:38:01.000 had so many people going into foreclosure. American Homes for 1:38:01.120 --> 1:38:04.920 Rent bought a ton I mean hundreds and hundreds of 1:38:05.080 --> 1:38:08.960 properties in our area, and they are continuing to hold 1:38:09.000 --> 1:38:12.479 them and rent them for pretty high prices. And so 1:38:13.200 --> 1:38:16.040 the stocks for American homes for rent was down about 1:38:16.080 --> 1:38:19.280 seven percent yesterday. Now it may bounce back, you know, 1:38:19.520 --> 1:38:23.679 day to day, everything changes. But I find it's really 1:38:23.960 --> 1:38:26.600 I think it's very very fascinating because we always have 1:38:26.720 --> 1:38:29.879 to find a bad guy, and you look for the biggest, 1:38:30.240 --> 1:38:34.400 biggest guys or gals I suppose in the room, and 1:38:34.520 --> 1:38:37.479 you look at the corporations to blame for all of 1:38:37.600 --> 1:38:41.240 the drama and the misdeeds of whoever. 1:38:41.479 --> 1:38:41.640 You know. 1:38:42.360 --> 1:38:44.880 So I think it is very interesting. I think that 1:38:45.040 --> 1:38:47.200 it is something that we're going to watch. 1:38:47.960 --> 1:38:52.000 You know, if it slows down the institutional investors from 1:38:52.040 --> 1:38:55.160 buying more single family homes, will it affect us day 1:38:55.200 --> 1:38:55.479 to day? 1:38:56.439 --> 1:38:58.880 Probably not? Probably not. 1:38:59.040 --> 1:39:01.679 I think what's interesting about a couple of things. First 1:39:01.680 --> 1:39:04.439 of all, the idea of these companies come in Blackstone whatever, 1:39:04.640 --> 1:39:07.840 and it's largely it's private equity, right, private equity. They 1:39:07.920 --> 1:39:10.559 don't want generally don't want to own things long term. 1:39:10.640 --> 1:39:12.280 They want to get their money maker money, turn it, 1:39:12.400 --> 1:39:16.519 chop it up, whatever they do, you know, become vultures essentially, 1:39:16.720 --> 1:39:19.280 and that's but that's the nature. That's part of capitalism. 1:39:19.439 --> 1:39:21.400 They'll come and pick the bones and what's salvageable. 1:39:21.439 --> 1:39:21.600 Is it? 1:39:21.680 --> 1:39:23.040 Kind of like big boy, big Boy on Okay, well, 1:39:23.040 --> 1:39:25.720 what are we gonna keep? The tartar sauce is good? Right, 1:39:25.800 --> 1:39:27.680 we're gonna We're gonna continue to do that. Will sell 1:39:27.720 --> 1:39:29.720 the pumpkin pies and everything else that's a burger. I 1:39:29.760 --> 1:39:32.360 can get that anywhere. So they take what's profitable and 1:39:32.400 --> 1:39:36.080 then turn it around. If they own this stuff right now, 1:39:36.800 --> 1:39:38.320 I would think at some point they're going to wind 1:39:38.400 --> 1:39:40.519 up exiting and getting out of this business, wouldn't they 1:39:40.560 --> 1:39:42.880 if they can't turn a high profit every quarter. 1:39:43.439 --> 1:39:47.439 Yeah, especially since these corporations are stock driven. Yeah, you know, 1:39:47.640 --> 1:39:50.640 holding these properties long term, it could and it may 1:39:50.720 --> 1:39:52.280 put five hundred thousand properties. 1:39:52.360 --> 1:39:56.479 Now this is nationwide. That's nothing. Yeah, it's not very much. 1:39:56.640 --> 1:40:00.679 So if it affects the bottom line, it maybe cheaper 1:40:00.800 --> 1:40:03.599 for them to diversify and go ahead and sell off 1:40:03.640 --> 1:40:06.240 and find a new way, you know, go into more 1:40:06.320 --> 1:40:10.080 of the commercial market rather than the and they may 1:40:10.160 --> 1:40:10.960 already be in that. 1:40:11.200 --> 1:40:13.200 That's just not my expertise. 1:40:13.760 --> 1:40:16.040 I'm in the single family realm for the most part, 1:40:16.160 --> 1:40:19.280 so you know, that's it's it's very very interesting. But 1:40:19.400 --> 1:40:23.840 still one in three homes bought in twenty twenty five 1:40:24.200 --> 1:40:28.720 were purchased by investors. And again it doesn't have to 1:40:28.800 --> 1:40:32.880 be these large institutional ones. And I just I just 1:40:33.000 --> 1:40:36.320 find that it's we're always looking for a scapegoat. We're 1:40:36.360 --> 1:40:39.680 always looking for someone to blame. And you know, the 1:40:39.800 --> 1:40:44.519 big thing that we need is more inventory, and we've 1:40:44.560 --> 1:40:46.880 been saying we need more inventory. The other thing that 1:40:47.400 --> 1:40:50.280 a lot of the prognosticators who are looking at twenty 1:40:50.360 --> 1:40:53.519 twenty six, they're saying the interest rates still need to 1:40:53.600 --> 1:40:56.160 come down a little bit to make the market a 1:40:56.320 --> 1:40:59.800 little bit more balanced. And we have homes that are 1:41:00.280 --> 1:41:04.200 on the market. There are huge opportunities out there for 1:41:04.439 --> 1:41:06.400 people who want to buy a home. I think a 1:41:06.479 --> 1:41:08.760 lot of younger people don't really want to buy a 1:41:08.840 --> 1:41:09.600 home right now, and. 1:41:09.640 --> 1:41:12.320 They want to rent, which opens the opportunity. 1:41:11.840 --> 1:41:14.160 For they don't want the Yeah, a lot of the 1:41:14.800 --> 1:41:16.960 younger people and I'm going to say younger people that 1:41:17.160 --> 1:41:22.120 is thirty and younger, don't want to buy because they 1:41:22.160 --> 1:41:24.439 don't want to a be tied down they don't want 1:41:24.439 --> 1:41:26.760 to have to fix stuff. They don't know how to 1:41:26.840 --> 1:41:29.400 fix stuff, they don't want to learn how to fix stuff. 1:41:29.640 --> 1:41:31.120 They want somebody else to do it. 1:41:31.680 --> 1:41:33.519 And you and you and I both know we have 1:41:33.680 --> 1:41:37.439 fewer people that are around to fix stuff. So we 1:41:37.880 --> 1:41:42.000 have an imbalance in the entire like real estate circle. 1:41:42.760 --> 1:41:44.439 But you know, I don't know it. 1:41:45.200 --> 1:41:50.599 It's an interesting topic of will the you know, saying 1:41:50.800 --> 1:41:52.400 large institutional investors, so. 1:41:52.479 --> 1:41:54.720 They just get well, I think something else to look 1:41:54.760 --> 1:41:57.360 at is, let's let's face it. They came on following 1:41:57.439 --> 1:41:59.880 the two thousand and eight home foreclosure, right the the 1:42:00.320 --> 1:42:02.320 housing crisis that we had, and they came in and 1:42:02.920 --> 1:42:05.599 they swooped in and cheap because you buy cheap, sell high, 1:42:05.640 --> 1:42:08.240 that's how you make money. They bought them. When things 1:42:08.280 --> 1:42:10.559 properties are in distressed, they fix them up. They rented 1:42:10.600 --> 1:42:14.599 them out and increase that portfolio. Okay, so we now 1:42:14.680 --> 1:42:16.679 ban that from happening. What happens if we have another 1:42:16.760 --> 1:42:19.000 housing crash at some point in the future, and then 1:42:19.040 --> 1:42:19.880 who's going to come. 1:42:19.800 --> 1:42:20.880 In and do that? 1:42:21.680 --> 1:42:25.240 And I would rather have and we've talked about this before, 1:42:25.760 --> 1:42:29.640 rather than having a whole bunch of vacant homes. I 1:42:29.680 --> 1:42:32.680 would rather have an investor come in by it and 1:42:32.840 --> 1:42:35.360 have a family living in that home, because if you 1:42:35.520 --> 1:42:38.560 have a vacant home for long periods of time, it 1:42:38.720 --> 1:42:41.479 just gets worse and worse and worse. It brings down 1:42:41.520 --> 1:42:45.880 the entire neighborhood, the entire community. So I would say 1:42:46.280 --> 1:42:50.200 some institutional and some investors actually saved the day back 1:42:50.240 --> 1:42:51.840 in two thousand and eight and two thousand and nine 1:42:52.240 --> 1:42:56.280 when our economy was really having a difficult time and 1:42:56.439 --> 1:42:59.840 the whole real estate interest industry was having you know, 1:43:00.120 --> 1:43:02.840 it was crashed, It had totally crashed, but it was 1:43:02.920 --> 1:43:06.439 because we had too much inventory. The balance was way off. 1:43:06.720 --> 1:43:09.240 Right now, our balance we are in the process of 1:43:09.439 --> 1:43:13.600 rebalancing the market. And by rebalancing the market is you know, 1:43:14.120 --> 1:43:17.760 we need a little bit more inventory guests. We need 1:43:17.840 --> 1:43:22.200 more buyers out there who are approved and able to purchase, and. 1:43:22.320 --> 1:43:24.040 They have to want to purchase. 1:43:25.040 --> 1:43:28.040 You know, if the demand is for rentals, guess what 1:43:28.439 --> 1:43:31.920 that's there are people out there who will provide that service. 1:43:32.080 --> 1:43:35.320 They will provide an opportunity for you to rent. Now, 1:43:35.400 --> 1:43:37.519 it's going to be a high price, and there are 1:43:37.560 --> 1:43:40.840 so many people that are they are renting at twenty 1:43:40.920 --> 1:43:43.760 five hundred dollars a month, three thousand dollars a month, 1:43:43.880 --> 1:43:46.400 and you think that is absolutely crazy because you can 1:43:46.560 --> 1:43:50.080 get a mortgage for that amount, and but you know 1:43:50.240 --> 1:43:53.160 you have to pick and choose. How's your credit were. 1:43:53.439 --> 1:43:55.439 I mean, we're obviously in a renders market that's not 1:43:55.479 --> 1:43:57.320 going to change anything. It time assume people who want 1:43:57.320 --> 1:43:58.920 to rent rather than buy, and there's a whole bunch 1:43:58.920 --> 1:44:01.960 of factors into that. But you know, the other thing 1:44:02.000 --> 1:44:04.479 I look at too is, you know, we talked about 1:44:04.880 --> 1:44:08.080 these big corporations, the genius in the details like anything. 1:44:08.400 --> 1:44:11.200 What is that definition? What what's an institutional builer? Is 1:44:11.240 --> 1:44:13.320 that a publicly Is that only applied to a publicly 1:44:13.400 --> 1:44:15.920 traded company? What if I don't know, you're a local 1:44:16.040 --> 1:44:18.280 person and you own I don't know, a couple hundred 1:44:18.600 --> 1:44:21.360 homes that you're and there's there's people in Cincinnata they're 1:44:21.360 --> 1:44:23.280 doing that. You know, we're not into that that rare 1:44:23.320 --> 1:44:25.519 air ourselves. We got as many as we can handle 1:44:25.600 --> 1:44:28.160 on our own because we're in the real estate business. 1:44:28.200 --> 1:44:29.880 But I look at it going, Okay, well, what does 1:44:29.960 --> 1:44:32.000 that mean for the mom and pop people like us 1:44:32.160 --> 1:44:35.840 that have put sweat equity and all our savings into 1:44:36.000 --> 1:44:39.160 real estate properties and continue to parlay that into more 1:44:39.240 --> 1:44:42.800 properties to a certain point. What does that mean for 1:44:42.880 --> 1:44:45.320 someone like us or you know, the little guy I 1:44:45.439 --> 1:44:47.400 just you know instante here. Oh yeah, it's just the 1:44:47.439 --> 1:44:49.439 big guys a big well. Where do you draw that line? 1:44:50.360 --> 1:44:50.519 You know? 1:44:50.720 --> 1:44:52.320 Is it the number of properties? 1:44:52.360 --> 1:44:54.160 So if you own a thousand, we don't know, more 1:44:54.520 --> 1:44:58.280 so then they're going to own nine hundred nights. 1:44:58.360 --> 1:44:59.880 I don't think that's gonna apply to you, but then 1:45:00.080 --> 1:45:02.200 then again, you never know. And I'll leave with the 1:45:02.560 --> 1:45:05.120 final point on this thing too. Here's a parallel for you. 1:45:05.200 --> 1:45:07.160 When it comes to careful what you wish for, you 1:45:07.280 --> 1:45:09.720 might just get it all right, No, institutional investors, we 1:45:09.840 --> 1:45:12.000 have another market to you know, housing market tanks in 1:45:12.040 --> 1:45:13.519 the future. At some point, what do you do then, 1:45:13.520 --> 1:45:15.799 Who's going to come in and buy stuff at distressed 1:45:15.800 --> 1:45:18.920 prices and turn it around and reset the market. It's 1:45:19.000 --> 1:45:20.800 kind of like we see this ourselves because we own 1:45:20.800 --> 1:45:24.040 a couple town homes that are involved with hoa's and 1:45:24.320 --> 1:45:26.519 it's kind of interest because the hoa's generally made up 1:45:26.520 --> 1:45:29.800 of older residents and they don't like renters for whatever reason. 1:45:29.880 --> 1:45:32.200 And I could see, you know, some some sort of 1:45:32.240 --> 1:45:34.760 distrust there because they're transient, but they don't want to 1:45:34.920 --> 1:45:37.000 so they'll they'll ban you from renting properties in the future. 1:45:37.000 --> 1:45:38.600 The grands father, then they'll do everything to try and 1:45:38.680 --> 1:45:41.280 drive you out of the neighborhood. If your own properties 1:45:41.320 --> 1:45:44.240 at rent, okay, great, we're only going to what happens 1:45:44.280 --> 1:45:47.000 when you have a recession. And okay, so instead of 1:45:47.080 --> 1:45:49.120 someone coming in and renting it and taking care of 1:45:49.160 --> 1:45:51.479 the property, now you have all these vacant properties next 1:45:51.520 --> 1:45:54.000 to you, your neighbors who are quote unquote owners, not renters, 1:45:54.400 --> 1:45:57.599 and they can no longer pay their mortgage and they default. 1:45:57.680 --> 1:46:00.120 That's going to drive your property values down even more 1:46:00.200 --> 1:46:02.519 than the renters. Would you need that in those And 1:46:02.760 --> 1:46:04.360 I think it's very short sighted of a lot of 1:46:04.400 --> 1:46:07.160 people to go, we want no renters in Urha. Well, 1:46:07.479 --> 1:46:09.640 guess what when the market tanks, you're gonna wish you 1:46:10.200 --> 1:46:10.759 had renters. 1:46:11.160 --> 1:46:14.120 Well, and that has that has changed so much in 1:46:14.240 --> 1:46:17.560 the last fifteen years since the stock market crash. So 1:46:17.720 --> 1:46:20.880 many condos and it's really mostly the condos with the 1:46:20.920 --> 1:46:25.799 condo the really strong monthly condo associations where they're banning 1:46:25.960 --> 1:46:29.720 renters because they just don't know who their neighbors are necessarily, 1:46:29.920 --> 1:46:31.519 so it's some of the old. 1:46:31.600 --> 1:46:34.320 Nobody does anymore look in the neighborhood. Now you don't 1:46:34.360 --> 1:46:35.160 know your neighbors are. 1:46:35.200 --> 1:46:36.479 What's the different, right right? 1:46:36.640 --> 1:46:40.280 But now I mean as condos and as properties age, 1:46:41.160 --> 1:46:45.400 the HOA fees have gone up so dramatically over the 1:46:45.520 --> 1:46:49.280 years because the cost of keeping these places updated. So 1:46:49.640 --> 1:46:53.479 it is not uncommon to have an HOA of three 1:46:53.600 --> 1:46:55.880 hundred and fifty dollars a month, plus you. 1:46:56.000 --> 1:46:57.200 Have to pay the mortgage. 1:46:57.640 --> 1:47:00.080 Again, we're going to get to that point where one 1:47:00.400 --> 1:47:02.800 may start to struggle quite a bit because there are 1:47:03.080 --> 1:47:05.360 there are nice ways. There are not nice reasons to 1:47:05.439 --> 1:47:08.080 own a condo because you don't have as much of 1:47:08.200 --> 1:47:10.040 the maintenance that you have to take care of yourself 1:47:10.080 --> 1:47:12.479 on the exterior and that sort of thing. But at 1:47:12.479 --> 1:47:15.680 the same time, can you avoid the mortgage plus an 1:47:15.680 --> 1:47:18.840 additional three hundred and fifty dollars a month for HOA, 1:47:19.240 --> 1:47:22.320 plus the taxes, plus the this and the plus the that. 1:47:24.400 --> 1:47:27.799 So you may find more condos being vacant for longer 1:47:27.920 --> 1:47:31.400 periods of time, and if there again, I feel the 1:47:31.640 --> 1:47:35.360 worst property is one that is not lived in, and 1:47:35.880 --> 1:47:40.000 I would rather one hundred thousand percent have somebody who's 1:47:40.080 --> 1:47:42.519 living in it, whether they're renting it or owning it, 1:47:42.720 --> 1:47:46.200 than having a vacant home next to me, because honestly, 1:47:46.320 --> 1:47:48.200 it's just a call for trouble. 1:47:48.000 --> 1:47:49.840 Right all right, So President Trump saying he wants to 1:47:49.920 --> 1:47:53.679 ban Wall Street investments, institutional investors, and single family homes. 1:47:53.680 --> 1:47:55.559 Will see how this plays out. My wife Michelle Slan 1:47:55.600 --> 1:47:58.000 has more in this at Sloan Sales homes dot com 1:47:58.080 --> 1:48:00.240 and her blog it via YouTube, and of course or's 1:48:00.240 --> 1:48:04.120 the iHeartRadio podcast on iHeartRadio app you can download as well. 1:48:04.120 --> 1:48:05.880 All right, Love you gotta go, gotta go get ready 1:48:05.880 --> 1:48:08.160 for your surgery tomorrow. Yes sir, I don't know what 1:48:08.240 --> 1:48:09.880 that entails, but good luck to you. I'll be home 1:48:09.920 --> 1:48:12.600 a little bit, okay, Right there you go, Love you 1:48:12.640 --> 1:48:14.800 gotta go. Got Willy on the way coming up next 1:48:14.880 --> 1:48:17.400 right afterday news update, the very latest in Minnesota. Of course, 1:48:17.439 --> 1:48:20.519 it's a big story today. The everything you need to 1:48:20.640 --> 1:48:22.880 know happens in about four minutes here on seven hundred 1:48:22.960 --> 1:48:23.439 W dobty. 1:48:23.439 --> 1:48:23.720 Since that