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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike since he three sixty about Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, welcome in our two of Tony Pikes since

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Speaker 2: E three sixty. Here on ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore.

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Speaker 2: You might be wondering where on God's green Earth is Tony.

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Speaker 3: He's still employed.

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Speaker 2: He's just a little under the weather today, so it's

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Speaker 2: just me, hopefully the big fellow back tomorrow. But the

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Speaker 2: show goes on, and every Tuesday we talk to our guy,

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Speaker 2: Joey d Joe Daniman from Fox nineteen who joins us. Now, Joe,

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Speaker 2: have you begun your preparations for Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 4: I have, and by my preparations, Austin, that means running

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Speaker 4: extra miles every single day, so I don't feel guilty

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Speaker 4: about the crime I'm going to commit on Thursday at

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Speaker 4: the Thanksgiving table ahead of the Bengals in the Raven Game.

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Speaker 4: To me, Thanksgiving is the best holiday of the year.

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Speaker 4: I love Christmas. I love Christmas, but Thanksgiving comes with it.

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Speaker 4: What I feel are the two best gifts to men,

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Speaker 4: food and football, and they come with an overflowing amount

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Speaker 4: on Thursday. I can't wait. What a huge Thursday it

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Speaker 4: is for Cincinnati. Everybody gets to eat and then everybody

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Speaker 4: gets to watch Joe Burrow make his return on Thursday

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Speaker 4: night football. Happy Thanksgiving, Austin. What a night it's going

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Speaker 4: to be.

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Speaker 2: Well, Happy Thanksgiving to you, Joe, and thank you for

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Speaker 2: being here and we're thankful for your presence on this

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Speaker 2: show each and every day. Before we get to Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 2: let me ask you, how, like, how many miles a

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Speaker 2: day do you normally run? And are you the type

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Speaker 2: of person that does a turkey trot on Thanksgiving morning?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So I've been training for it because when I

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Speaker 4: was younger, I was a competitive runner, and I think

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Speaker 4: when you're a competitive runner, you have a hard time

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Speaker 4: taking that competition out of your soul. So even when

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Speaker 4: you're in your forties and you're out running leisurely, you're

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Speaker 4: decided to set a target, and I was preparing for

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Speaker 4: it and I feel great about it. And then two

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Speaker 4: nights ago I saw the forecasts for Thursday morning, and

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Speaker 4: I'm now officially spooked, and I'm on defense. I'm actually

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Speaker 4: going to do the race. You're talking temperatures in the

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Speaker 4: even higher. A. That's miserable. B. I think it would

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Speaker 4: prevent me from running the time I want to run.

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Speaker 4: So I might be like Ryan Rico, a drop back

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Speaker 4: about fifteen yards a punt on Thursday morning, even though

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Speaker 4: I'm ready. Wait, but I'm sure it's going to allow

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Speaker 4: me to the forecast.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would share the same advice with you that

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Speaker 2: I share with Bengals fans who fear the return of

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and getting hurt again, and that is that

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Speaker 2: you cannot live a life out of fear. You only

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Speaker 2: have one life and one opportunity. Why Joe Burrow, Why now?

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Speaker 2: Why is this all happening the way it's happening.

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Speaker 4: Well, Number one, I think he's earned it, okay, and

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Speaker 4: I think it's okay for everybody in this discussion, and

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Speaker 4: that's everybody listening to this show. I'm sure has had

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Speaker 4: an opinion on Joe Burrow. Should he come back, should

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Speaker 4: he not come back? When's the right time for him

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Speaker 4: to come back. And I'm going to get a lot

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Speaker 4: of your listeners are a lot like me who have

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Speaker 4: changed their opinion on this and aren't really sure where

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Speaker 4: to land. And I think that's all right, because you know,

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Speaker 4: to land on one side, debate it and be strong

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Speaker 4: in that stance. But I kind of see both sides

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Speaker 4: I'll go back to what I said at the start

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Speaker 4: of your question, which was I believe he's earned it.

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Speaker 4: When this happened, we were all thinking a mid December

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Speaker 4: And if he's given and he has been given a

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Speaker 4: That's when he's in the game. The pockets, money bodies

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Speaker 4: think Thursday night to night and not Sunday against the Patriots.

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Speaker 4: We all understand the Bengals playoff chances, but I think

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Speaker 4: most importantly Joe has earned this, and I think his

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Speaker 4: presence matters. And I think and we can debate this too.

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Speaker 4: Certainly a coaching staff that needs to be evaluated when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that.

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Speaker 2: Now there's been a lot made of the Flacco offense

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Speaker 2: The Bengals probably want to protect Burrow a little bit,

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Speaker 4: I think there will be changes. I think if you

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Speaker 4: come out fully and say yes, but he didn't come

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Speaker 4: going to be some slight variations to what Joe Burrow

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Speaker 4: when there was any pressure near Peyton Manning at the

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Speaker 4: that's not in Joe Burrow's DNA. I get that. That's

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Speaker 4: football like we've seen him play. That's a hard thing.

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Speaker 4: How it looks different. Will it look different? We won't

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Speaker 4: some changes, maybe at least in theory, on Thursday night,

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Speaker 4: before the Live Bullets starts flying and Joe Burrow starts playing.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals, Deep has a long way to go, but

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Speaker 2: they are at least showing signs of improvement, a little

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Speaker 4: Yeah, to me, it's about evaluation now of individual players

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Speaker 4: And certainly with Cam Taylor, BRIT's future and how very

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Speaker 4: We've talked so much about the linebackers and what they're

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Speaker 4: Carter had a good game on Sunday. Yet if you

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Speaker 4: You know, if Miles Murphy was a fifth or sixth

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Speaker 4: and maybe even earn the finals. Six weeks a spot

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Speaker 4: come with higher expectations. He's played well under expectation his

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Speaker 4: I know as a whole, the run defense has been better.

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Speaker 4: We saw them show some guts, show some fight at

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Speaker 4: Now are the New England Patriots just a good fit

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Speaker 4: just an explosive offense. Perhaps, And I think maybe you

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Speaker 4: get a better test of that the next three weeks

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Speaker 4: with the Ravens twice in the Bills. But I think

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Speaker 4: you are seeing signs of individual players showing small bits

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Speaker 4: of growth, and I think that's what's important in the

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Speaker 4: second half of the season. Here the final six weeks,

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Speaker 4: the guys like Miles Murphy, Demetrius Knight, Barrett Carter showing

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Speaker 4: signs that they can be contributors and counted on. In

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Speaker 4: Well, boy, that's such a great question. Often I'll go

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Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson, even though I'm not sure he's going to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it's fair. I regret asking you

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Speaker 2: the question because sometimes the truth hurts, but it's it's

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Speaker 2: the truth. Uh, Joe, You've been generous with your time,

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Speaker 2: really appreciated. Hope you have a great Thanksgiving. We appreciate

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Speaker 2: you and we'll talk to you again next week.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, ma'am.

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Speaker 4: Austin happiest of thanksgivings like a champion on Thursday. Get

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Speaker 4: it done, yeat, yeat.

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Speaker 2: Indeed that is Joe Daniman, He's the best. We are

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Speaker 2: way late talkbacks for next ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: It's that time for talkbacks.

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Speaker 6: Press the microphone and record your message for Austin and tone.

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Speaker 3: Please keep it clean and don't be mean.

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Speaker 6: And a sprinkle sprinkle, drip drips. It's that time for talkbacks.

447
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Speaker 6: It's our favorite parter since three sixty. Yeah, Austin, buddy,

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Speaker 6: play those bunkbacks on your screen and please try out

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Speaker 6: to Cybertaja.

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Speaker 2: We welcome back in to Tony Pikes since he three

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Speaker 2: to sixty. I'm Austin Elmore, big fella out sick today.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully he is back tomorrow. We've got a light batch

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Speaker 2: of talkbacks to get to.

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Speaker 3: But that's all right, let's get started. Can we get

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Speaker 3: Brian Flores or vance Joseph here to be your head coach?

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Speaker 3: Love that you know.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure about the Brian Flores thing because I

458
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Speaker 2: know he has ongoing litigation with the NFL about a

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Speaker 2: hiring issue previously that I want to say was involved

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Speaker 2: with the Giants or something, and the stuff that happened

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Speaker 2: with the Dolphins. I don't know exactly, so I don't

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Speaker 2: know about his his I don't know. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if that has an effect on anything. Vance Joseph, who

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Speaker 2: used to be a coach here and is the defensive

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Speaker 2: coordinator for the Denver Broncos, I think he would be

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Speaker 2: one of the top candidates when you look at the

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Speaker 2: way the Bengals do things and the familiarity and all that,

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Speaker 2: I think Vance Joseph would be one of those top candidates.

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Speaker 2: Don't know if that's a good thing, but yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: the Lord.

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Speaker 7: I was reading that Lamar Jackson has another injury. It's

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Speaker 7: his toe. That's that he that hea't that thing any

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Speaker 7: truth to this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about it earlier today, But just about

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Speaker 2: two two minutes ago, the Ravens practice began and Lamar

476
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Speaker 2: Jackson ran out there helmet on and is practicing. So

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Speaker 2: didn't practice yesterday. He is out there in uniform for

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Speaker 2: practice today for the Ravens.

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Speaker 8: So the season is pretty much over. We know that

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Speaker 8: anything after this probably just leads to heartache. But I'm

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Speaker 8: of a mind that until you are officially mathematically eliminated,

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Speaker 8: you give it all you got, You try everything, and

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Speaker 8: you play the man. But as soon as you're eliminated,

484
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Speaker 8: shutting down. It's too valuable, too much of a risk,

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Speaker 8: for nothing to play for.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I get it.

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Speaker 9: Thoughts on Joe Burrow playing tomorrow.

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Speaker 10: Night, Okay, thank you, Hey boys, Hey, I may be

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Speaker 10: full of opium.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I'm.

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Speaker 10: The optimistic guy, but as far as I can see,

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Speaker 10: the Bengals have their destiny in their hands and they

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Speaker 10: control their playoff outcomes. Assume they win the next six,

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Speaker 10: we only need six losses between Buffalo or between Baltimore

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Speaker 10: and Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: They play each other twice, plus we would have beaten.

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Speaker 10: The Ravens twice, and neither of those teams.

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Speaker 7: Are gonna win out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you think about it, Baltimore plays Pittsburgh twice.

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Speaker 2: As you mentioned, Baltimore has to go to Green Bay

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Speaker 2: and they play New England. It's not crazy to think

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Speaker 2: that they lose a couple of those games. The Steelers

504
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Speaker 2: obviously played Baltimore twice, they play Buffalo, and they play

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Speaker 2: at Detroit. It's not crazy to think that if the

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Speaker 2: Bengals were to go on a run similar to what

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Speaker 2: they've done the last two years, that they could be

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Speaker 2: right there in the conversation at nine to eight, let's say,

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Speaker 2: and that be enough to win the AFC North, just

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Speaker 2: based off the schedule of the other teams. Obviously, the

511
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Speaker 2: Bengals have to take care of their own business, but

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's it's insane to think so. And

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Speaker 2: the main reason I feel that way is if you

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Speaker 2: look at the defense the last two weeks, and I

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Speaker 2: know it is a very small sample size and it's

516
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Speaker 2: not against the two best offenses in the NFL. However,

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Speaker 2: if the Bengals defense can force a turnover a game

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Speaker 2: and or get three stops, like you feel confident that

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Speaker 2: you have a chance, you at least give yourself a chance,

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Speaker 2: and that I think would be if nothing else interesting.

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Speaker 11: Hey Addie Joe from Casey here what I love when

522
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Speaker 11: you get the chance to host. I totally agree with

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Speaker 11: you about Burrow. If he's healthy, he should play. In

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Speaker 11: addition to everything you mentioned, I just want to say,

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Speaker 11: you know, and you would get into like load management stuff, right,

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Speaker 11: I mean, in the end, it's the entertainment business. They're

527
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Speaker 11: there to entertain people are spending money to buy tickets.

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Speaker 11: They're not spending money to watch healthy Joe Burrow sit

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Speaker 11: on the bench.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. Now, let's say Thursday happens.

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Speaker 2: Let's say the Bengals get blown out. Let's say it's

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Speaker 2: thirty seven to ten in the fourth quarter. Oh, Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow doesn't need to be playing in that situation. Like

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Speaker 2: then you could go back to Flacco, go back to

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Speaker 2: Jake Browning, somebody else. There there is a balance that

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Speaker 2: has to be struck by Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 12: Here, my golly, if we played a drinking game for

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Speaker 12: every time then I heard the word compromised in between

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Speaker 12: the Monday Midday Quarterback and the Tony in Moo Football Show,

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Speaker 12: I'd have been on the floor by about four thirty

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Speaker 12: how many times I heard that. But anyways, final thought here,

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Speaker 12: Walker from the West Side. If Flacco was that compromised,

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Speaker 12: wouldn't we rather have Joe Burrow compromise? If it was

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Speaker 12: seventy five percent versus seventy five percent? Last thought, we're

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Speaker 12: on to Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the argument that I made last week going

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Speaker 2: into the New England game.

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Speaker 9: What's up, Boddy, TJ Burrow in or Burrow out? I'd like,

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Speaker 9: whatever the hell gets rid of Tobin and Taylor. He's

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Speaker 9: an OC at best, not a head coach. Marvin went

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Speaker 9: oh for seven to plass, and Brown kept him on

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Speaker 9: for years. Marvin turned into a smug Belichick wanted because

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Speaker 9: he knew he was safe. Dave Shuler went eleven thirty

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Speaker 9: for thirty seven. Let me repeat, eleven for thirty seven

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Speaker 9: in his.

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Speaker 3: First three years. Brown offered him a contract extension.

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Speaker 4: Price is right.

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Speaker 9: Bob Zach stinks, Toven sucks. Mike makes me want to hurl.

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Speaker 9: But go Burrow, go Bangles, Who da get better?

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Speaker 3: Tony? There you go? I mean that's how he feels.

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Speaker 13: So the one hundred talented BYU fans that had a

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Speaker 13: knack for recruiting AKA would be in the parking lot

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Speaker 13: at the UC game trying to convert UC fans to

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Speaker 13: BYU fans because they Mormons go door to door trying

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Speaker 13: to convert people and they have a knack for recruiting.

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Speaker 14: Oh never mind, Oh okay, repping the city out here,

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Speaker 14: Sonny hot z on and what upie?

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Speaker 3: See you riding the ship solo today? That's okay.

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Speaker 14: The show is still on point and fire us always.

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Speaker 14: The Cats won last night. I mean a good rebound win.

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Speaker 14: A win is a win. But you know, I want

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Speaker 14: to see them set up their shots a little bit better.

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Speaker 14: They just run down the quarter to shoot up too

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Speaker 14: many threes. I'm starting not to like that. Oh you

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Speaker 14: know what, the return of JB nine, I'm feeling it.

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Speaker 14: I was against it, but now I love it. The

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Speaker 14: heart of a competitor. That's a true beast of a quarterback.

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Speaker 14: We got go get them all right, thank you one

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Speaker 14: time for a double oh for the keys to victory

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Speaker 14: for Thursday night. First of all, we have to run

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Speaker 14: the ball consistently and stay with the run, especially if

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Speaker 14: it's working. Second, Burrow, can you manage the offensive line correctly?

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Speaker 14: I mean, I know this is your first game back,

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Speaker 14: but can you pick up the rhythm that you had?

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Speaker 14: Chase is gonna be double in bracketed, so I'm looking

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Speaker 14: for fat Gooseki to step up and.

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Speaker 3: On defense contain Lamar.

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Speaker 14: Don't let her rush out the pocket, giving way to

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Speaker 14: apply pressure and wrap up and tackle.

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Speaker 15: There you go, the top three things that Jamar Chase

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Speaker 15: did last weekend instead of playing football, attended sensitivity and

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Speaker 15: conflict resolution classes at Madam Fiefee's School of Etiquette, active

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Speaker 15: as a judge at Cheeks Gentlemen's Club for the Itty

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Speaker 15: Bitty Gritty Committee, met with architects and designers for plans

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Speaker 15: on his new sports club.

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Speaker 2: Lougis all right, we'll talk a little bit about Jamar later.

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Speaker 2: He did issue an apology of sorts Hoodah Tom Turkey

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Speaker 2: chiming in there.

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Speaker 16: With regards to the Ohio State game, I think Ohio

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Speaker 16: State's gonna win by two or more scores. I don't

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Speaker 16: care that they lost four in a row or whatever

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Speaker 16: it is. At one point, Ohio State won seventeen of

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Speaker 16: eighteen or something like that just before the four game

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Speaker 16: losing streaks, so you know, it's cyclical. I expect them

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Speaker 16: to fully dominate this game. And you know, the game

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Speaker 16: it kind of feel like it's lost its louster a

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Speaker 16: little bit. I mean, Ohio State lost it last year

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Speaker 16: and still won the national title, so you know whatever.

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Speaker 16: For regards to the Bengals and Ravens, you know.

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Speaker 3: Whatever, Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I think the Ohio State Michigan game is just it's

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Speaker 2: all mental on the Ohio State side, and I think

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Speaker 2: part of it, like from the Michigan side as well.

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Speaker 2: And I think Joe Daneman was right, like Michigan does

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Speaker 2: not fear Ohio State and that's really the only team

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Speaker 2: they face all year that feels that way, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: that can make you clinch up a little bit in

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Speaker 2: certain parts of your body. And I think there is

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Speaker 2: a mental block with Michigan for Ohio State, and until

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Speaker 2: they get past it, I don't know. Hopefully last year

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Speaker 2: and everything that happened afterwards is enough to to kind

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Speaker 2: of carry through that and then be the release.

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Speaker 5: Well, the last time I tuned in and Audie started

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Speaker 5: the show and said that Tony wasn't here, we heard

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Speaker 5: the terrible news that he had been let go. Fortunately

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Speaker 5: Tony's just sick, Yay, of course, I'm just kidding. Get

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Speaker 5: well soon, Tony, Tony.

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Speaker 3: Alstad, what's going on? My man Lean and trunk Harte.

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Speaker 4: I love Joey Deep, but he is crazy.

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Speaker 15: Ryan Day better get the job done.

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Speaker 14: And look, I kind of somewhat agree with him, you know,

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Speaker 14: because when it comes to this game, if it's close

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Speaker 14: in the fourth quarter, hey, it's going to get real.

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Speaker 5: Spooky for os U's fans.

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Speaker 15: But he gotta get it done.

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Speaker 17: He gotta get it done.

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Speaker 4: He cannot lose the Michigan for the fifth straight year.

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Speaker 4: Beat Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Preach brother.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, hey often Marcos from the groove,

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Speaker 2: what up?

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Speaker 18: I know we don't give this guy a time of

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Speaker 18: day on the show because of his horrible takes in general.

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Speaker 18: But I don't know if you saw Chris Canty's uh

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Speaker 18: oh I did about the Bengals still having a shot

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Speaker 18: to win the division and make the playoffs. You know me,

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Speaker 18: you ain't got to give me much to go on

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Speaker 18: about giving me hope.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did, you know.

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Speaker 2: I actually heard, to his credit, I heard two complimentary

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Speaker 2: things from Chris Canty today about the Bengals. The first was,

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Speaker 2: I think Evan Cohen was asking him, do you buy

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Speaker 2: into these teams? It was a list of teams and

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Speaker 2: he got to the Bengals, and I think Michelle Smallman

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Speaker 2: said no, and Chris Canty said, uh, it's it's possible.

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Speaker 2: With Joe Burrow like it's possible. And then, in a

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Speaker 2: separate part talking about the future of the AFC North

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Speaker 2: and who could win that division, Chris Canty doubled down

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Speaker 2: with Joe Burrow. The Bengals can win that division, So

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Speaker 2: maybe a changing of the tune there for all Chris Canty.

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Speaker 2: But you know, if we want to make fun of

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Speaker 2: him for all this stupid stuff he says, you know,

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Speaker 2: he at least was complimentary this time.

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Speaker 3: Mike and independence here the borough thing. Think of it

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Speaker 3: this way.

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Speaker 19: Let's say you're working in the warehouse and you break

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Speaker 19: your wrists at work, so you get back, you're ready

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Speaker 19: to come back to work, and they're like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 19: we don't want to risk of the rest of this year.

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Speaker 19: Numbers are down. Just take the ear off. We'll pay

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Speaker 19: you come back next year. It's not how it works.

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Speaker 19: It's good to play.

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Speaker 3: Let's play correct a mundo, bro. Why do we do this?

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Speaker 3: Why do we keep doing this?

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Speaker 20: We say every week before the game, all they lose

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Speaker 20: this one, this is a must win. If they lose

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Speaker 20: this one, they're done. We've done this for the last

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Speaker 20: three weeks, they've lost all three of them, and then

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Speaker 20: by Tuesday or Wednesday we're talking about all they could

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Speaker 20: be back in it if they do this. If they

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Speaker 20: do that, they have a less than one percent chance

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Speaker 20: to make the playoffs. Their minus ten thousand miss playoffs,

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Speaker 20: like let it go, it's over, Mike Good All.

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Speaker 2: Right, man, I don't know what show you're listening to.

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Speaker 2: But at no point have I on this radio station

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Speaker 2: said that I believe the Bengals are good enough to

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Speaker 2: get to the playoffs. I will openly talk about the

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Speaker 2: possibilities and the facts and like what the probabilities are,

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Speaker 2: or if this happens, this happens, and this happens and

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Speaker 2: they get in. But I have said for over a

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Speaker 2: month now that the season is over and they will

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Speaker 2: not get to the playoffs. I have said on the

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Speaker 2: air I expect them to lose every single game the

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Speaker 2: rest of the way. Now with Joe Burrow, it's a

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Speaker 2: different team, and you wonder how it will be different

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Speaker 2: with him on the field. But no one is on

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Speaker 2: this radio station saying that the Bengals are going to

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Speaker 2: go win the AFC North and go deep into the playoffs. Technically, mathematically, factually,

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Speaker 2: it's still a possibility, and that possibility is alive, and

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Speaker 2: so you can't acknowledge that doesn't mean I believe it

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Speaker 2: or know that it's gonna do that it's tru or

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Speaker 2: that I believe that it's gonna happen. Just because you

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Speaker 2: acknowledge the possible and the realities does not mean that

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Speaker 2: you are preaching from the mountaintops that these things are

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Speaker 2: going to happen. But also there are varying members of

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Speaker 2: this audience that have different beliefs and different views and

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Speaker 2: different thoughts on the Bengals, on the sports world, on

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Speaker 2: all of it. Some people are overly optimistic, some people

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Speaker 2: are overly negative. It's my job to be able to

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Speaker 2: reach all those people, not just those who have given up.

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Speaker 2: That's that's kind of how this thing works.

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Speaker 21: Hey, Audie, it's Chris and Alexandria. I liked your list

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Speaker 21: yesterday of all the potential candidates. Thank you and who

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Speaker 21: you thought fit. But the problem is the Bengals don't

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Speaker 21: bring in guys who have head coaching experience. True, they

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Speaker 21: sometimes bring in offensive or defensive coordinators. What qualified Zach

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Speaker 21: Taylor to be here? I mean he was a quarterbacks coach.

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Speaker 21: Who knows who they're going to bring in, who knows

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Speaker 21: who the better option is? I have no idea what

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Speaker 21: they're going to do. Probably just sit tight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair, Chris in your ex exactly right.

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't happen very often. All right, we'll take

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Speaker 2: a break.

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Speaker 3: That was it.

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Speaker 2: We'll come back with a football in the Natty. This

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Speaker 2: is ESPN fifteen thirty eight, The.

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Speaker 1: Natty, brought to you in part by Bud Light and

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Speaker 1: of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Tony Pikes since he three to sixty.

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Speaker 2: I'm Austin Elmore. We'll talk a little bit more about

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Speaker 2: the Bengals and the Ravens coming up an hour number three,

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Speaker 2: including what Zach Taylor had to say about Trey Hendrickson

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Speaker 2: that I find interesting. But I went and spliced together

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Speaker 2: all the questions and all the answers from Zach Taylor's

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Speaker 2: Monday press conference in which he was asked about quarterback

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. I think it's interesting the way he discusses it,

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Speaker 2: discusses his philosophy ahead of Thursday night's game. Here's the

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Speaker 2: Bengals head coach in his conversation with the media about

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Speaker 2: quarterback Joe Burrow in his potential return.

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Speaker 22: I anticipate him playing, but we'll continue to work through

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Speaker 22: the week. I'm not going to declare that definitively work

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Speaker 22: through the week coming off an injuries, done everything he could.

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Speaker 22: He put himself in a position to do his best

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Speaker 22: to play yesterday, and we'll continue with that mindset. But

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Speaker 22: he looks like he's in good shape right now.

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Speaker 8: He'd be ready to go.

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Speaker 23: How much did you guys bait that into practice schedule

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Speaker 23: last week? No one be a limited week this week

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Speaker 23: to get Joe those reps last week?

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Speaker 22: No, I mean really last week he just fell because

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Speaker 22: of it was it was easy for us to handle

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Speaker 22: because Joe Flacco has been limited in practice and so

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Speaker 22: his schedule had been conducive to Burrow coming in there

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Speaker 22: and taking all the snaps. So it didn't throw anything

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Speaker 22: off kilter because that had been our ro team previously.

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Speaker 22: He just took a bunch of reps that Jake Browning

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Speaker 22: had been taken when when Flaco goes out. So so

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Speaker 22: from that perspective, it worked out well. We're able to

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Speaker 22: balance that without disrupting anything. And now you'll go into

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Speaker 22: just walk through reps, which is really what we're doing

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Speaker 22: the next two days. So it's nothing physical, walk through

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Speaker 22: mental reps and gett everybody ready to go play.

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Speaker 23: What's energy like around when you Joe is, you know,

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Speaker 23: when you know what he's going to be playing on Thursday,

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Speaker 23: and in that kind of game, in the kind of environment,

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Speaker 23: what does that do for the locker room?

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Speaker 22: Well, I mean he's he's a great player, obviously, and

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Speaker 22: so it's exciting to have a back. I think our

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Speaker 22: energy has been really good. I don't feel like that's

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Speaker 22: been an issue for us, you know, and you see

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Speaker 22: the way the team fought there till the very end,

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Speaker 22: trying to trying to get stops in all three phases

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Speaker 22: and and score points on offense, and so these guys

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Speaker 22: fought tooth and nail, played with really good energy. Obviously,

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Speaker 22: when you got one of the greatest players in the

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Speaker 22: world coming back, that's that's another boost on top of that.

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Speaker 22: And so you know, when we do get Joe back,

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Speaker 22: it'll be exciting to watch him out there and play,

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Speaker 22: and I'm sure it's energy for for everybody involved at least.

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Speaker 23: Look like first game back hasn't played in a few months.

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Speaker 23: What do you think that will look like?

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Speaker 22: Difficult, difficult to predict. You know, it has been several months,

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Speaker 22: and so again I'm not going to make any predictions

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Speaker 22: on what it looks like, but again, he's he's put

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Speaker 22: himself in great shape. It's good to see him through

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Speaker 22: the progression that we've had over the last several weeks.

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Speaker 22: I think was it was a fair progression for him

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Speaker 22: to do this the on seven, do the eleven on eleven,

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Speaker 22: get your mind right, try to try to get ready

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Speaker 22: to play in a game, and then ultimately we'll we'll

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Speaker 22: wait and see where aliens. But I think it's been

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Speaker 22: a really good progression. It's been helpful for him and

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Speaker 22: done everything he can and we can to get him

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Speaker 22: ready to go playing a game with Burrow.

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Speaker 3: He's just so good at off script plays.

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Speaker 20: Do you try to whenever he comes back coaching out

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Speaker 20: of that or do you just have to let him play?

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Speaker 22: It's a great question. There's a balance there of obviously

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Speaker 22: him coming off of injury. You want to be very

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Speaker 22: mindful of that, and that a lot of that will

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Speaker 22: be up to him as he as he feels his

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Speaker 22: pocket movement and his play style. Those are decisions that

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Speaker 22: that he's going to have to feel out as he

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Speaker 22: goes forward. And sure i'd love to say, you know,

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Speaker 22: let's let's be protective and and not put him in

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Speaker 22: an environment where that's going to happen. But you out

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Speaker 22: there in a football field, and that's that's the way

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Speaker 22: it's gonna take shape, especially on third downs, especially in

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Speaker 22: no in passing situations. That's a good defense. You know,

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Speaker 22: these guys will do a lot to disrupt you and

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Speaker 22: throw you off course in the skies and pressure from

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Speaker 22: different angles, and they got good players, and so you

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Speaker 22: can't it's the NFL. You can't go out there with

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Speaker 22: with kid gloves on and say we're never going to

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Speaker 22: let this happen. It's some things are gonna happen naturally,

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Speaker 22: and it'll be in his hands to take care of

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Speaker 22: it if he's out there.

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Speaker 24: Over the last few months in the background, have you

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Speaker 24: made any tweaks kind of the Borough offense and the

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Speaker 24: idea of how things to live from Burrow comes back?

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Speaker 22: Or is it just like yeah, I mean, like we

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Speaker 22: game plan for the teams we're playing against, and you know,

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Speaker 22: so a lot of times that's that's the forefront of it,

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Speaker 22: is how do we utilize our weapons and how do

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Speaker 22: we game plan against the team you know for all

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Speaker 22: the things they're showing us to keep them off off kilter.

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Speaker 22: So that's always what we balance and that's what we'll

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Speaker 22: continue to do as we move forward.

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Speaker 18: As Joe Burrow articulated, why it's so important for him

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Speaker 18: to come back or is it just understood because it's job.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, that is a great question that I'd rather him answer.

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Speaker 22: You know, I think when you get an opportunity to

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Speaker 22: talk to him, is he and I have had conversations

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Speaker 22: on everything leading up to these weeks, and so I'll

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Speaker 22: leave that to him to better answer.

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Speaker 24: Did you guys talk much when he was like out out?

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Speaker 24: But what were the conversations like when he was still early?

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Speaker 22: I mean, there was times I would catch him in

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Speaker 22: the weight room as he's going through his rehead progression.

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Speaker 22: So I don't I can to find a lot, but

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Speaker 22: we've certainly had several conversations throughout the weeks, and then

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Speaker 22: he started getting back into full blown meetings. You know,

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Speaker 22: as part of his limited he's in a boot, so

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Speaker 22: we're not asking to travel stairs all the time. And

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Speaker 22: then we got out of that. He became full time

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Speaker 22: back in meeting several weeks ago and he's been back

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Speaker 22: in the picture ever since. So he and I have

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Speaker 22: had a lot of dialogue, especially these last probably three weeks,

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Speaker 22: and a couple more before that when he first come

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Speaker 22: off the entry.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff there from the Bengals head coach Zach Taylor

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Speaker 2: loved that question from Dan Horde about you know, has

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Speaker 2: Joe articulated why this is so important to him? And

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Speaker 2: Zach said, you have to talk to Joe. Well, Joe's

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Speaker 2: supposed to talk in just under an hour from right now.

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Speaker 2: We'll cover that for you live right here on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Jamar Chase slated to talk after that. We

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Speaker 17: Three sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Briefly wrapping up our number two here on Tony Pikes

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Speaker 2: since e three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty. For those of

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Speaker 2: you that geek out on uniform news like I do.

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Speaker 2: You might be wondering, well, what are these teams going

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Speaker 2: to be wearing on Thanksgiving Night? What's Cincinnati going to

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Speaker 2: be wearing, What's Baltimore going to be wearing. Well, the

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Speaker 2: Bengals are going to be going with their traditional road

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Speaker 2: white uniforms, white jerseys, white pants, black socks, and their

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Speaker 2: orange helmet. I think one of the best looks in football.

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Speaker 2: Baltimore is going to be going with their alternate purple

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Speaker 2: rising helmets, which are purple with a gold face mask

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Speaker 2: and the ugly looking raven bird on the side of

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Speaker 2: the head there. And they're going to have their purple

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Speaker 2: jerseys with the gold numerals, purple pants, purple socks, all

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Speaker 2: with the gold trim for Thanksgiving Night. Now, remember Bengals

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Speaker 2: have played there in the past. They've gone the darkness

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Speaker 2: thing where it's all black and blah blah blah blah blah. Well,

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Speaker 2: all purple up against all white with the Bengals orange

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Speaker 2: helmet for Thanksgiving Night football coming up, looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: We'll have it for you right here on ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: thirty hour three. Coming up next on the Home of

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Speaker 2: the Bengals Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty