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Speaker 2: All right, thank you very much, Dan Watkins. We move

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Speaker 2: We are going to begin with a story that we

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Speaker 2: actually talked about a couple of weeks ago, but it's

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Speaker 2: one that I think deserves more more attention. This is

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Speaker 2: a story that was brought to our attention by the

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Speaker 2: Axios Boston UH and the story is written by Mike

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Speaker 2: Dian who is with us now. The title of the

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Speaker 2: story was drivers can't figure out new pedestrian crosswalks. So,

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Speaker 2: first of all, the fact that you haven't seen these

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Speaker 2: new pedestrian crosswalks doesn't mean you won't be seeing them

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Speaker 2: in the future. Mike Dean, welcome back. Well, welcome to Nightside.

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Speaker 2: You've been here before, but not on this topic. We

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Speaker 2: spoke with a professor that you wrote about from Amherst

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Speaker 2: who had conducted a study. So tonight we're talking to you.

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Speaker 2: Well, when you talk about anyone being hit by a

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Speaker 2: out about forty locations where the Commonwealth of Massachusetts has

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Speaker 2: put in new and arguably very confusing crosswalk lights. My

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Speaker 3: Far right, Yeah, I think that's the gist of it.

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Speaker 3: I think how confusing they are are in the eye

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Speaker 2: Yea, when when did these begin to be installed? And

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Speaker 2: I should also say from your article, we're not talking

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong here, you know this better than I do.

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Speaker 2: There's they are there where people currently would be able

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Speaker 2: will stop. People who are careful don't want And I

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Speaker 2: know of one on Route nine in Newton, which is

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Speaker 2: It's a busy road. And that these this is this

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Speaker 2: is what we have generally now pretty simple. You want

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Speaker 2: the yellow lights flash, the drivers stop. Seems to me

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Speaker 2: that it works, but the state is now taking it

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Speaker 2: was done by UMass Amherst, it's causing a lot of confusion.

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Speaker 2: Walk us through the confusion.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, you're absolutely right. I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: You mentioned the what they call the rectangular rapid flashing beacon.

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Speaker 3: The thing that's causing confusion is what's called the pedestrian

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Speaker 2: But in addition, the you know, the flashy yellow lights

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Speaker 2: According to this study by UMAs Amherst, twenty four percent

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Speaker 3: It sounds you know, it sounds like poor education of

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Speaker 3: might be obvious what these flashing lights mean. You know,

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Speaker 3: more education. I believe sometimes when you get your license renewed,

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Speaker 3: New drivers are certainly learning about this. I bet if

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Speaker 3: I asked my niece who just took Driver's ED, she

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Speaker 3: And that's where those poor results in that study came from.

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Speaker 3: Is people really driving less safe because they didn't understand

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Speaker 3: what these new rules are.

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Speaker 2: Mike, Mike Dean is my guest. He writes, you may

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Speaker 2: actually have an editorial position, so don't let me under

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Speaker 2: you have a position with Axios? You know, as writer editor.

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Speaker 2: What's your title?

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Speaker 3: I want to make sure I'm I'm a reporter. That's

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Speaker 2: Mike is a reporter with Axios dot Com slash Boston.

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Speaker 2: More conversation with Mike right after the break here. But

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Speaker 2: if you have been uh in the presence of these

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Speaker 2: to know how it has worked for you, because this

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Speaker 2: study is a frightening study. I have some some questions

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Speaker 2: My name is Dan Ray. My guess is Mike being

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Speaker 2: He's with Axios dot Com Slash Boston. Back on Nightside

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Speaker 2: right after this.

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Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on wb Boston's

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Speaker 2: But I guess this is Mike Dean. He's with Axios Boston. Mike,

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Speaker 5: Oh well, of course this happens right when I'm calling you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, please be careful. What have you seen these

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Speaker 2: that's I think I'm right where Judith is here? Judith,

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Speaker 5: I'm in a whole new world of Middleton right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, I do too. I do too, So do me

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Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks so much, Judith. I appreciate it. Okay, I'll

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Speaker 2: Axios dot Com Slash Boston. They did a great piece

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Speaker 2: I googled it today just to see because this is

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Speaker 2: run wild, and the people who are always the bad

435
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Speaker 2: people of people who drive automobiles. And I don't think

436
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: that's fair to people who have to drive automobiles to

437
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: get to work and to earn a living and pay

438
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: taxes and support the commonwalth. So I see this as

439
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: part of a somebody says this would be great. Do

440
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: we know offhand if this light's system that is confusing,

441
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 2: admittedly confusing based upon the survey, do we know if

442
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: this has been successful or used in other states around

443
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Speaker 2: the country.

444
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 3: Well, the studies show, well, they tell me. The studies

445
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 3: show there's a lot of different different data from different

446
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: states and different applications of different technology, so you kind

447
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 3: of have to take it all as one thing. But

448
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 3: these pedestrian hybrid beacons what we've been talking about, the

449
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: red and the yellow. They say that there's a pedestrian

450
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 3: crash reduction rate of about sixty nine percent. So sixty

451
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 3: nine percent reduction in pedestrian crashes versus I think just

452
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 3: like painted painted lines with no type of signal, there

453
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: are other ones that are a little.

454
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Speaker 2: Less that makes sense, I mean, if there's no signals.

455
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly well, but still for a crosswalk, you're supposed

456
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Speaker 3: to slow down, you're supposed to follow the rules.

457
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: You know, you're supposed to follow them. In intersections too,

458
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: people will matter of fact that people blow through intersections

459
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: for the most part of bicyclists exactly.

460
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Speaker 3: So I think the conflict here is the disconnect is

461
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: coming from you know, this data and other states and

462
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 3: other places that have put these in you know, these

463
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 3: systems online and in place, they have seen results. It

464
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 3: should work. But then we have this humans study in

465
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 3: Massachusetts saying that at least now in this you know

466
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 3: era where people are learning it, there's a lot of

467
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: errors being made that are potentially even more dangerous than

468
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: not having anything at all. So is this the kind

469
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Speaker 3: of thing that drivers are just going to smarten up,

470
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 3: you know, and conversations like this and they see a

471
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Speaker 3: few news articles and they go, okay, yeah, flashing red,

472
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 3: flashing yellow, I got it.

473
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Speaker 2: You know.

474
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 3: It seems like that might be the drive education part

475
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: that makes these things work. Or is it going to

476
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 3: be a consistent problem where people never you know, to

477
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: get on the right page on this thing. I'm not

478
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 3: sure that would be the biggest problem. If if they

479
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 3: if they begin as fairly ineffective and stay ineffective.

480
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: Well, if to put it another way, if the so

481
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: called cure actually aggravates the problem or is worse than

482
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: the problem, then we have spent a lot of money. Uh,

483
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 2: some contractor has has benefited, benefited from the construction of

484
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: these uh, these traffic signals. But if but if we're

485
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: not getting a benefit out of it, And I would

486
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 2: think that before you spend that money. The other thing

487
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: that makes me concerned about it. And I'm gonna be

488
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: really honest with you. Uh. The the secretary who has

489
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 2: just retired, Monica tips Tipot's not that's.

490
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Speaker 3: A nice way of putting it.

491
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're retired. She came here, landed with two feet.

492
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: She's from Ohio. She knew nothing about Massachusetts. Under her watch,

493
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: the the the turnpike plaza deal was messed up. Period.

494
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 2: They're going to have to do a redo there with

495
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: all sorts of complications. And she was the one who

496
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: came in saying she only wanted to attacks two things,

497
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: anything that moved and anything that doesn't move. And it

498
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: was you know, welcome to Massachusetts. So I would be

499
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: suspicious of any initiative that occurred on her watch, and

500
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: I think this initiative has occurred on her watch so well.

501
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: It made me certainly began well prior to even the

502
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 3: Healing administration, I am asked, ont I'm their governor Baker

503
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: was responsible for getting this ball rolling certainly.

504
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Speaker 2: That if you tell me that is true, I will

505
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: certainly accept that. Well.

506
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and some of these lights are five, six, seven

507
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 3: years old in certain places.

508
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: Okay, and there's only about forty of them. If they're

509
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: so safe, then my question is why have we not

510
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: rolled out more that? There just seems to be some

511
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: inherent lack of information, lack of communication for the Department

512
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: of Transportation, whether it's under Acre or Healey. Uh that

513
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: that that is really pervasive. Here, let me let me

514
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 2: grab one more caller and then I'm gonna let you

515
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: get on with the rest of your night. I got

516
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: Jeff in brocked in here, so let me see what

517
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: Jeff has to say. Hey, Jeff, welcome, You're next on

518
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: nights Side. You're on with Mike Dean of Axios dot

519
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: com slash Boston. Go ahead, Jeff, where's Jeff? Okay, then

520
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: don't put his name up. It's kind of a fundamental mistake. Uh.

521
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: Jeff apparently apparently chose not to join the conversation. Mike,

522
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: I apologize protesting rockin I guess so, I guess of

523
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: some sort. Mike. I appreciate your time tonight. I I'm

524
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: gonna move on to uh, just myself on the other

525
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: side of the break. Thanks so much. We will keep

526
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: our eye on axios dot com slash Boston fear enough

527
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: people can sign up Axios a x I dot com

528
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: slash Boston. Thanks for what you do and thanks for

529
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: coming on tonight.

530
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 3: Great being with you, Dan.

531
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: Thanks Mike, talk to you soon, Okay we come back.

532
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: I want to hear from you. I think you know

533
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: me well enough to know that I like to have

534
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: my audience ahead of the curve. Now. I just learned

535
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: from Mike that these new flashing lights have been around

536
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: for six or seven years. Well, I haven't seen them,

537
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: and I travel the highways and byways. I'm told that

538
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: there's only been about forty installed. So I would love

539
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: to hear from you if you've ever seen these new

540
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: flashing lights. Again, they are not at intersections, They're not

541
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Speaker 2: at four way red light stop intersections. They're at crosswalks.

542
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: I know of across some crosswalks near where I live,

543
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: and there are yellow lights there. And if you're driving

544
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: and it's a major road, and if you see those

545
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: yellow lights flashing, you damn well met to slow down

546
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: because at that point someone could be walking out into

547
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: the street. Now, hopefully they wait till the traffic stops.

548
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: You wait until you stop so that the person can

549
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: use the crosswalk. That person may be twenty five years

550
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: old and a Patriots football player and in perfect physical condition.

551
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: Or it might be somebody who's in a wheelchair. It

552
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: might be somebody who's a little slower. You gotta wait,

553
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: You gotta wait. And I think the yellow light system

554
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: that we have now is perfectly adequate. Why these were

555
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: introduced and why they're being introduced so slowly to find

556
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: out that they've been around for six or seven years

557
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: and there's only forty of them. Is this an initiative

558
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: that the Baker administration started and the Healthy administration now

559
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: has said we don't need it anymore. Very confusing, very confusing.

560
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: We have tried to get as much information as possible. Well,

561
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: I'd love you to help out. Six one seven, two

562
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: five four to ten thirty six one seven nine, three, one,

563
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: ten thirty. I'm going to talk about this for the

564
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: next ten or twelve minutes. If you want to venture

565
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 2: a thought or an idea, I would appreciate giving us

566
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: a call, simple as that. Uh. And then we were

567
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: going to move on with a different guest, different topic

568
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: at ten o'clock, and we're going to talk about a

569
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: totally different issue. I think anything dealing with transportation in

570
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: Massachusetts that impacts drivers, I assume it's done to discourage

571
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: and and to slow down and to diminish the number

572
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: of automobiles on the road. That is a bias that

573
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: I have developed because I have watched it over the

574
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: last few years, developed in Massachusetts pretty pretty obviously. Frankly

575
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Speaker 2: six one seven, two, five four to ten thirty six

576
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: one seven, nine three one ten thirty. I am a

577
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: defender be draggled Massachusetts drivers. Feel free to join me,

578
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: or feel free to disagree. Back on Nightside after.

579
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Speaker 1: This, It's night Side with Boston's news Radio.

580
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Speaker 2: As often happens on Nightside, all of a sudden, everybody

581
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: has filled the line. So I'm going to try to

582
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: get everybody in, but I'm gonna ask everyone to be

583
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: as quick as you can because I have a guest

584
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: coming up at ten o'clock. We're gonna change topics. Let

585
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: me go to fill fill in Boston, Phil.

586
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: It looks unbelievable.

587
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 6: You know how many times I stopped pedestrians in the

588
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 6: walkway and they almost get rear rendered and then the

589
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 6: guy says, oh, go ahead. I was on the phone.

590
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 6: I literally hide this soul finiy hide behind the pole

591
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 6: and then you'll see them. Then they walk in yout

592
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 6: people jumping out of the backseat of ubercas. They go

593
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 6: from a passenger to a pedestrian.

594
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, you're Phil, You're right on

595
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: the money. I know exactly what you're talking about. Let

596
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: me but let me also just say this, God forbid,

597
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: did you or I hit a pedestrian? I know I drive.

598
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: I don't want a pedestrian as a new hood ornament

599
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: of my car. And one that could be my wife, could.

600
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 3: Be my son, my daughter, no kidding.

601
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: I want to make sure that if they're gonna make

602
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: a mistake, they don't make it in front of my.

603
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 6: Car and they take it over. Didn't do You know

604
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 6: what's gonna happen. It's when this guy stocked or four

605
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 6: thirty there's gonna be more you gonna this is you're

606
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 6: talking about the eat bikes and this and that and everything.

607
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Phil, you know, I think you and

608
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: I see this very very similar fashion. Phil. Let me

609
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: let me jump and grab a couple of other heirs

610
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: real quickly. In earlier I need you to.

611
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 6: Talk, No, I thank you good night.

612
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 2: Let me go next to Jack up in Marblehead. Jack, welcome,

613
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 2: How are you sir?

614
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 4: Hey, thank you very much, Dan.

615
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 7: Dan.

616
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 4: I'm in one hundred percent agreement with you. Iri about

617
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 4: twenty five thousand miles a year on the road. I

618
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 4: own my own company. I drive from the South Shore

619
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 4: to the North Shore, but I live on the north Shore.

620
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 4: I mean the whole concept of packing in the traffic

621
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Speaker 4: and flowing things down, it absolutely has to be a

622
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 4: plan by traffic planners that don't have a clue.

623
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Speaker 7: We put in bike planes.

624
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: We can't.

625
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 4: We can't drive in a bike tonight. I won't see

626
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 4: any bicycles on the road tonight.

627
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: Okay, many many six months of the year.

628
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 4: It's too cold, too wet, too snowy, whatever. We have

629
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: bump outs, right, we can't pass on the right hand side.

630
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 4: And I know it's a law. We are not supposed

631
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 4: to pass on the right, but when people slow down,

632
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: they move along the traffic on the right. We're doing

633
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 4: everything possible to slow it down. It is an absolute trime.

634
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: It's an agenda here, and we're not saving anybody. There

635
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: were more people on bikes who are blowing through red lights.

636
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: There are people on bikes who are hitting pedestrians. I'll

637
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: bet you there's probably as many people pedestrians hit by

638
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: bicyclists as there are by cars. And yet we're we're

639
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 2: doing everything to get more bikes on the road. Jack,

640
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: next time we talk, we're going to have a longer

641
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: period of conversation. Have you called me before. This is

642
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: your first time.

643
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 4: Called I have, I have, I've called you.

644
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: I need your voice. Thank you much. Let me go

645
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: next to Steve, and Steve, you're gonna wrap the hour.

646
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 2: I got about a minute and a half way.

647
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 7: You go ahead, Steve, Yeah, thank you. I just came

648
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 7: late to this. I heard you talking about those flashing lights. Yes, yes,

649
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 7: and what you were about. I have seen them on

650
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 7: Route nine, yes, and I believe what they the purpose

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Speaker 7: of them are is that routine. It has a fairly

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Speaker 7: moderate speed limit, but people go very fast.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you where about some whereabouts Route nine

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Speaker 2: because I'm very familiar with Route nine. I know there's

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Speaker 2: a flashing yellow yellow does a yellow flashing light right

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Speaker 2: right near the FedEx shop, right across from the chest

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Speaker 2: and the mall.

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Speaker 3: But that's where that is.

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Speaker 2: That's a yellow flashing light, and I'm familiar and comfortable

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Speaker 2: with that. These lights, they're a big monstrosity. And they

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Speaker 2: have two red lights up there and they have they

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Speaker 2: have a series. Yeah. Well, the yellow lights I think

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Speaker 2: do the job. And now they're going to replace the

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Speaker 2: very simple yell. I see that yellow light, I know

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Speaker 2: someone wants to cross the street. I know it, you

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Speaker 2: know it, and we slow down and we stopped.

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Speaker 7: I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 2: Me too, Me too. What I was talking about before

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Speaker 2: is this they're introducing in about forty locations. Now. We

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Speaker 2: find out tonight from my guest Mike Dian of axios

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Speaker 2: dot com that this started under the Baker administration and

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Speaker 2: it's continuing under the Healy administration. And I think, way

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Speaker 2: do you see these? And you get a chance to

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Speaker 2: go to axios dot com, slash Boston or just google

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Speaker 2: it and find it it's very confusing.

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Speaker 7: I appreciate you talked about mikes on the right. I

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Speaker 7: am a lawyer. I have a case involving that type

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Speaker 7: of case. Steve.

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Speaker 2: Here's the yeah, Steve, I hate to do this to you,

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Speaker 2: but I'm up against the time limit. Here for the

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Speaker 2: ten o'clock newscast, I will talk about this again. If

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Speaker 2: you if you are on your card door and a

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Speaker 2: bike hits your card door, you're going to be found

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Speaker 2: at fault.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely the lawyer as well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Steve.

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Speaker 7: But fikes can't pass on the right if they want it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you much, appreciate it, Thank you much. Here comes

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Speaker 2: the ten o'clock newscast. Sorry we're late. Back right after

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Speaker 2: the ten