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Speaker 2: Hey, twenty eight Here fifty five KRC the Talk Station.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday. Staying in the obvious regular listeners know

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Speaker 2: it is that time of week. We get to talk

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Speaker 2: to retire lieun Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis and doing what

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Speaker 2: he calls in his podcast, what I call the alliterative podcast.

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Speaker 2: It is the Daniel Davis Deep Dive. Welcome back, my

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Speaker 2: dear friend. It's always a pleasure to having you on

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Speaker 2: the fifty five KRS Morning Show.

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Speaker 3: I look forward to this more than my own shows.

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Speaker 2: I think, y you're so kind, Daniel. I enjoy the

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Speaker 2: back and forth. Although we haven't been able to solve

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Speaker 2: the problems in the world over the year or two

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Speaker 2: that we've been doing this, it is a thoroughly welcome

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Speaker 2: exchange of well real time and genuine information about what's

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Speaker 2: going on in the world. I see Donald Trump, and

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Speaker 2: I want to start with Ukraine and the efforts to

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Speaker 2: negotiate a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia. This, obviously,

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Speaker 2: you've been talking about for a very long time, the

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Speaker 2: United States providing a security guarantee for Ukraine, i'llah Article

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Speaker 2: five of an ATO Defense Alliance treaty. This requires NATO

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Speaker 2: of NATO, it would go along with the security guarantee.

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Speaker 2: If one country gets attacked, we all come to the defense.

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Speaker 2: This is not Ukraine joining NATO but getting the benefits

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Speaker 2: of the Article five security agreement, which means, effectively, aren't

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, Brian, I'm gonna put this in the category

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Speaker 3: of I'll believe it when I see it, right, because

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're not gonna President Trump has been emphatic

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Speaker 3: can't see. I mean, I literally see no chance. So

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Speaker 3: I hear I've seen those statements in report rest reports,

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Speaker 3: but nobody has provided the details yet of what that

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Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, And we'll wait to see what happens

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Speaker 2: with that, because that's the concern I have. That's effectively

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Speaker 2: that's our that's our foray into World War three right there,

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Speaker 2: much in the same way if they were remembers now.

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Speaker 1: And plus Russia would never agree to it.

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Speaker 3: If you're looking for something that people are going to

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Speaker 1: So it's it's dead on.

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Speaker 2: A rival, all right. Fair enough? Now. The other thing

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Speaker 2: plan wasn't enough. In nineteen thirty eight, referring to Adolf

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Speaker 2: If they do attack a NATO country, they have all

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's why we've got you, Daniel Davis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and listen to all those things you just mentioned.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not making this up.

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Speaker 3: Sacrifice our sons and daughters if necessary in order to

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Speaker 3: And then he said, but if you come to us

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Speaker 3: We are ready today and we will fight that war

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Speaker 3: Those are important, but what is crucial, absolutely vital in

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Speaker 3: Russia dwarfs the entirety of NATO in those categories, and

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Speaker 3: of course they have all the combat experience and we

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Speaker 3: So we are not ready to fight a war, and

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Speaker 2: Well, then, what is the purposes of all this what

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Speaker 2: I will call dangerous rhetoric from the European Union elected officials?

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Speaker 2: Why are they ramping up all this talk?

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Speaker 3: It is insane, I'll just start right there. It is

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Speaker 1: War with Russia. There's no reason why they would want to.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of reason why they would want

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Speaker 3: first of all. But secondly, what I think is going

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to April.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty two, when we had a chance to have

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Speaker 3: both worked against it and sabotaged. Zelinski was this close

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Speaker 3: drive Russia out. It totally failed, and ever since that time, Brian,

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Speaker 1: Which all too easily could go nuclear terrible.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly the way it sounded to me as

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Speaker 2: I was looking for you for some guidance on that.

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Speaker 2: So we both reached the same conclusion, and the article

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Speaker 1: To do it.

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Speaker 2: And on top of that, the Gallop survey from the

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Speaker 3: Well, it is, yeah, And you know the reason why

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Speaker 1: Maritch is talking about all this big coffee.

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Speaker 3: Cocky stuff about wanting to be the power, the main

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Speaker 1: I don't want to war with Russia. They don't want

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Speaker 3: And I think that ultimately that's gonna be And I

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, and you mentioned it, I mean the

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Speaker 1: With the ladder now.

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Speaker 3: And that's I think why the Air Vice Marshall today

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Speaker 3: Of days ago UK was also one of the UK

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe that answers the question that we're struggling with

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Speaker 2: is why in the hell are they are they worried

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Speaker 2: about Vladimir Cooton and raiding Europe. If you use this

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Speaker 2: we are going to have to cut maybe that's the

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Speaker 2: only Maybe that's the point. It will provide a mechanism

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Speaker 2: to justify their cuts to this bloated, out of control

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Speaker 2: can't be sustained, right, I mean, it will.

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Speaker 3: But you know, one of the other things it's irony

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Speaker 3: I think is falling is being consciously aware of a

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Speaker 3: lot of these European populations.

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Speaker 1: Is they're going, hang on, hang on.

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Speaker 3: You just mocked Manuel Macron in particular, you just mocked

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Speaker 3: the Russians because they're so pathetic that they've only taken

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Speaker 3: one percent of the territory in the last two full

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Speaker 3: years of fighting. And then at the same time you're

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Speaker 3: telling me, oh my god, they're coming to London and

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Speaker 3: we have.

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Speaker 1: To be ready for that.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't make any sense at all, And yet those

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Speaker 3: contradictory messages are both being shouted by the European leaders.

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Speaker 2: Well, at least you and I see through it. Daniel

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Speaker 2: Davis'll tavi.

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