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Speaker 1: a lot going on throughout the show today. The Great,

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Speaker 1: Horde is gonna join us Austin in our number three today.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna kick off our number three at two o'clock

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Speaker 1: Great Dan Horde at two o'clock. Zach Taylor is scheduled

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Speaker 1: So we've got Zach Taylor, We've got Dan Horde, and

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Speaker 1: by the name of Brooks Downing. Brooks Downing is one

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Speaker 1: of the folks responsible for bringing the Hoops Classic to

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Speaker 1: of that down in our number three, of course, Moeger

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Speaker 1: with quick hits along the way and your phone calls

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Speaker 1: mixed in. Speaking of the college basketball world, how about

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Speaker 1: last night? Now, we will spend time right off the

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Speaker 1: bat here. Today we'll spend time in the next segment

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Speaker 1: talking about u SE basketball. You see was victorious last night.

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Speaker 1: You'll hear what Wes Miller had to say after the win.

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Speaker 1: But they did beat the Dayton Flyers, and they did

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Speaker 1: so somehow, some way, despite turning the ball over last

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Speaker 1: night twenty four times, twenty four turnovers for the Cincinnati Bearcats,

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Speaker 1: and somehow found a way to win seventy four to

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Speaker 1: And how about this line Austin two for twenty six

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Speaker 1: For you? Because I'm too old for a ton of things,

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Speaker 1: I don't incorporate six seven into my life. I never will,

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Speaker 1: maybe based off your report today, it's still alive and

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Speaker 1: well in some of these schools. But that's my understanding

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Speaker 1: Last night NBA Action Nicks mos Nicks win to go

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Speaker 1: to seven and three. How about the Thunder Austin. They're

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Speaker 1: The Bulls are back in their rightful place, which is

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Speaker 1: We've got a change at quarterback in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: The Giants are not going to start Russell Wilson against

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Speaker 1: just anybody we've seen Russell Wilson play. That dude stinks

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Speaker 1: and he's not respected by his teammates. The opposite of

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Speaker 1: You know, just more proof that Duke Tobin and Zach

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Speaker 1: late slate is awesome. I think Niners Cardinals not so much.

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Speaker 1: should be awesome, awesome, awesome slate from the NFL College

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Speaker 1: you get Max tonight Miami Toledo. How about the RedHawks

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: For Austin for clearing that up. And if you guys

433
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Speaker 4: are old, look, Austin, you're what thirty?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just turned thirty?

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Speaker 4: All right, I've got shoes older than you, and Tony,

436
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Speaker 4: I don't think you've reached four yet.

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00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 3: Right yet?

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Speaker 4: All right, so please don't say you're all up sixty two.

439
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Speaker 4: I'm sixty two, but I have the spirit of a

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Speaker 4: fourteen year old. So that's why I love what saying

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Speaker 4: to you, guys. Absolutely, I know. When I last talk

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Speaker 4: to you on Friday, we talked a little bit about

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow's return, and I mentioned that Albert Breer, the

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Speaker 4: senior content created for Sunday Morning Quarterback, was on the

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Speaker 4: morning show at the ninety five the Sports Hub, and

446
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Speaker 4: he talked about that, you know, if the Bengals get

447
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Speaker 4: to nine and eight, Borrow's back, who wants to play

448
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 4: them in the first round? And then I just kept

449
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Speaker 4: digging a little bit deeper. I have a sneaking suspicion

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Speaker 4: that Borrow's playing against the Patriots on the twenty third.

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Speaker 4: And I've been saying that for a while now because

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Speaker 4: I think, knowing how he's wired that loss of the

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Speaker 4: Patriots in Week one, a year ago still bothers him.

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Speaker 4: They win that game, they make the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: There was probably his.

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Speaker 4: Only bad performance in twenty twenty four. And also, you

457
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Speaker 4: know how these quarterbacks work, Tony your quarterback, the guys

458
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Speaker 4: in their prime, whether it's Burrow and Mahomes or Alan

459
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Speaker 4: or Lamar Jackson. Now they're looking at Drake may As like, okay,

460
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Speaker 4: he's the flavor of the month, he's the favorite to

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Speaker 4: an MVP. I think Borrow wants to get out there

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Speaker 4: on the twenty third and say, hey, don't forget about me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there is something too. At this point of

464
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Speaker 1: the year, you're not doing it. It's harder to do

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. New England is no longer sneaking up

466
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Speaker 1: on anybody. You know, you can do that if teams

467
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Speaker 1: be okay, they're still a year away. Now you got

468
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Speaker 1: the bulls eye on your chest. That changes the preparation.

469
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Speaker 1: It changes the focus. You have to answer a different

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Speaker 1: bell each and every opportunity you get. I think it

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Speaker 1: does help the Patriots that they are going to get

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Speaker 1: the mini by ahead of the Bengals game. You know

473
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Speaker 1: they play the Jets tomorrow night, so that'll be an

474
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Speaker 1: interesting one to watch. But yeah, I do think it

475
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Speaker 1: is different. I know there is something about Burrow that

476
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Speaker 1: would want to say, listen. I know everyone's talking about

477
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Speaker 1: Drake May, but let's not forget where I am and

478
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Speaker 1: the hierarchy of things in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, without question, it still makes you bang your head.

480
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Speaker 4: How they lost the Jets and Bears back to back weeks.

481
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Speaker 4: I mean, look at the Jets offense the last four weeks.

482
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Speaker 4: They had eighty two yards against Tenver. You have two

483
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Speaker 4: hundred and twenty yards against Carolina, one hundred and sixty

484
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Speaker 4: nine yards against Cleveland. We their offensive pathetic. It's five

485
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Speaker 4: hundred and two yards against the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Incredible.

487
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Speaker 4: That's just historically bad. So I'm hoping that if thinking

488
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Speaker 4: he got a win against Pittsburgh on Sunday, get to

489
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Speaker 4: four or six, I would not be surprised if borrows

490
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Speaker 4: well in the shotgun. I'd like to see more on

491
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Speaker 4: the center, but in the shotgun when the Bengals take

492
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Speaker 4: on the Patriots on the twenty third, I did a

493
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Speaker 4: great story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, John, thank you anytime.

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Speaker 1: Fellows, Yes, sir, yeah, I mean, if we've gotten to

496
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Speaker 1: this point, why wouldn't he listen? There's there's nothing to

497
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Speaker 1: me that's going to say why I doubt Burrow would

498
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Speaker 1: do that anymore?

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we we all thought like the best case scenario

501
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Speaker 1: was the Miami game. So I'm not I'm not going

502
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Speaker 1: to question or doubt his capability of getting back quicker.

503
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Speaker 1: I also think there's a couple of different things here.

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Speaker 1: Number One, we see what it looks like after a

505
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Speaker 1: week of practice, because he's going to practice again today

506
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure going to be a part of the

507
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Speaker 1: whole thing. And does how does something happened to Joe flakosh?

508
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: Does he maybe regress? Does he have a bad game?

509
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: Does somebody else get hurt where it's like, okay, we

510
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: got to go to Joe here. Whether they win or

511
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Speaker 1: lose the game, I don't know. I mean, if they lose,

512
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Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing it. But if they win,

513
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Speaker 1: even if they were let's just say they sweep the

514
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Speaker 1: AFC North, they still need at least another win from

515
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Speaker 1: New England Buffalo, Miami, Arizona. So yep, I love talking

516
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Speaker 1: about this. It'd be fun to talk about Joe Burrow

517
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Speaker 1: doesn't play defense. Yeah, can Flacco probably if he gets

518
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Speaker 1: the tordle. I can't imagine he's worse than what I've

519
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Speaker 1: watched this year.

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Speaker 3: It's just a good point.

521
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Speaker 1: Like Shamar Stewart, by the way, Happy birthday, Shamar Stewart,

522
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: Happy birthday. Chamar probably picking himself up off the ground

523
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Speaker 1: right now because he's always on the.

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Speaker 3: Good Flaco stay upright. Great question.

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Speaker 1: All right, a little on UC basketball win from last night.

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Speaker 1: When we return ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station, Thanks

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Speaker 1: Talkbacks in their normal spot in our number two. Today

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Speaker 1: your phone calls welcome five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 1: Horde kicks off hour number three and so much more.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: For now, let's focus a little bit on what happened

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Speaker 1: last night. I mentioned the Cincinnati Bearcats got to win

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Speaker 1: over the Dayton Flyers last night. It was a I

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Speaker 1: don't want to say tough moment, Austin, but I took

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Speaker 1: Wilder to the game last night and went to the

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Speaker 1: concession stand. Brendan Sorosby's out there in the lobby and

545
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Speaker 1: Wilder says or I introduced. I said, oh, it's you know, Wilder,

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Speaker 1: This is Brendan, and Wilder says, oh, that's my favorite

547
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Speaker 1: UC quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Oh no.

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Speaker 1: And there's just a moment there, yeah, where you kind

550
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Speaker 1: of think, what do you mean your favorite quarterback, your

551
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Speaker 1: favorite current quarterback on this roster, or your favorite quarterback

552
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Speaker 1: in general. Sorsby was nice enough to talk to him

553
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Speaker 1: for a few minutes, took a picture with him. Wilder

554
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Speaker 1: got a kick out of it. But it's one of those,

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00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: uh perhaps changing to the guard moments last night. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I listen, man, I know it's like to feel like

557
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: choppl Liver, I really do, and to feel like you're

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Speaker 1: forgotten about. So that's tough for you, especially with it

559
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: being your own, your own son and my blood. He

560
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: just got a Tony Pike jersey, if I'm not mistaken,

561
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Speaker 1: just a couple of days ago. Shout out to James

562
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: or peenep he's already passed it. Sorry, man, it's already done.

563
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Speaker 1: Things were different. Let me know when Sworsby wins something.

564
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Speaker 1: Oh man, you gotta win one Saturday with the utmost respect.

565
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Speaker 1: I gotta win one Saturday. I mean, it's not like

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Speaker 1: you ever won a bowl game. But thank you got

567
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Speaker 1: to him. I was on a couple of bowling teams.

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Speaker 5: You.

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Speaker 1: Uh, these guys win a conference or something. Yeah, a

570
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Speaker 1: couple of conference titles. Yeah, back to back you in

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Speaker 1: the sheriff anything.

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Speaker 3: Last night.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned this before, and you'll hear this in West

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Speaker 1: Miller's uh stayment here in just a few minutes, twenty

575
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Speaker 1: four turnovers in a game last night. Kerk Crisa and

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Speaker 1: Dayde Thomas combined for eight of those twenty four. Those

577
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Speaker 1: are fifth and six year guys. You're not going to

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Speaker 1: do anything. You're not going to make any new any

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Speaker 1: noise throughout a big twelve slate if you're going to

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Speaker 1: turn the ball over at that clip, especially if you're

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Speaker 1: doing it at the guard position. Now, everyone everyone played

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Speaker 1: a hand. Boba Miller had four, Daya had three, Shanna

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Speaker 1: Bive had three, Kerk Crisa had five, Jordi Rodriguez had two,

584
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Speaker 1: Keshan Tillery had two, Sincere Harris had two, Jalen Selustein

585
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Speaker 1: had won. Everyone turned the ball over last night. But

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Speaker 1: is there silver lining in winning a game by double

587
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Speaker 1: digits against parentally a good Dayton team when you turn

588
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: the ball over twenty four times? Now it helps that

589
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: the bear catch shot forty six percent from the field,

590
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: forty seven percent from three. Still struggling at the foul

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Speaker 1: line just twenty three of thirty seven. That has to

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Speaker 1: get better. How long have we talked? How many years,

593
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: Austin have we talked about UC free throw shooting the

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Speaker 1: whole time we've been doing this show together. It's insane,

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I've never understood it.

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Speaker 1: I don't get level of basketball doesn't matter if it's

598
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Speaker 1: JV girls, high school, doesn't matter, if it's Wilder's team,

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Speaker 1: it's incredible. Doesn't free throws that they have free in

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Speaker 1: the name? Yep, figure it out now for you see,

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00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: they have one more chance to figure it out. They

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Speaker 1: play the Mount Saint Mary's Mountaineers on Sunday at fifth

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Speaker 1: Third Arena. Mount Saint Mary's has a loss against West

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Speaker 1: Virginia and Buck. Now they did beat Saint Francis. But

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Speaker 1: that is the last tune up for the Cincinnati Bearcats

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Speaker 1: before they will head to the Heritage Bank Center and

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Speaker 1: take on currently the twelfth rank Louisville Cardinals. That's going

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Speaker 1: to be a top ten Louisville team based on their

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Speaker 1: win last night over the Kentucky Wildcats. Louisville plays owe

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Speaker 1: you on Saturday. That is their final tune up before

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Speaker 1: they play the Cincinnati Bearcats. By the way, Louisville coach

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Speaker 1: Pat Kelcey injured his finger last night celebrating to win.

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Speaker 3: I saw that.

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Speaker 1: So an injury to Pat Kelsey something to watch ahead

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Speaker 1: of next Friday night, see how he responds. But the Bearcats, again,

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Speaker 1: I'll give them credit in the sense that they turned

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Speaker 1: the ball over twenty four times, shot sixty two percent

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Speaker 1: from the foul line, and still won a game by twelve.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to win many games going forward by

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Speaker 1: turning the ball over that many times. This is what

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Speaker 1: Wes Miller had to say last night after the Bearcats.

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Speaker 5: Went I told the guys in the locker room that'll

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Speaker 5: go in the book one day, turn it over twenty

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Speaker 5: four times and win and so. And this may sound crazy,

625
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Speaker 5: but those are the best wins. Sometimes the best wins

626
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Speaker 5: are when you can't make a shot and can't throw

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Speaker 5: it in the ocean and you still find a way.

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Speaker 5: One time, years and years ago, we coaching a team,

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Speaker 5: we gave up twenty I think it was twenty four

630
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 5: made threes, sixteen made threes in the first half, and

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Speaker 5: we still won the game. And I think when you

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Speaker 5: can overcome something like that, the character piece is the

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00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 5: parts you're most proud of, and those are the ones

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Speaker 5: you remember the most. But I'm really really pleased that

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Speaker 5: we won. I have so much respect for for Anthony

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Speaker 5: and for the Dayton staff. I've gotten to know those

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Speaker 5: guys being in the area here. I respect them as people,

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Speaker 5: I respect them as coaches, and I respect their program

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Speaker 5: a lot. I don't think of them as an Atlantic

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Speaker 5: ten team.

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Speaker 3: I think of them as a power for team.

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Speaker 5: So we found a way to win a game against

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Speaker 5: a big time program and a big time team at home,

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Speaker 5: and that part I'm really pleased with. I thought the

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Speaker 5: running game had its good moments and bad moments, but

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Speaker 5: when we were able to kind of crack them and

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Speaker 5: transition there late in the second half, I think that's

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Speaker 5: why you do it. It's a collective effect. It's not always

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Speaker 5: going to happen early. But I thought it had some

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Speaker 5: signs that you could you could see it could be

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Speaker 5: really good. We got a lot of work to do defensively,

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Speaker 5: we have a lot of work to do on the glass.

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Speaker 5: We have a lot of work to do with our

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Speaker 5: half court offense. And we played against different kinds of defenses.

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Speaker 5: They were switching everything tonight and we got a little stagnant.

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Speaker 5: And we'll I'll tell you what. It's a lot more

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Speaker 5: fun to learn when you're winning. And and but we

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Speaker 5: better take it as serious as we get back into

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Speaker 5: the tape and get back to work with the players

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Speaker 5: as if we wouldn't have won the game, because we do.

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Speaker 3: Have quite a bit to do.

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Speaker 5: But please, with please that we found a way to

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Speaker 5: win in spite of not playing our best basketball.

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Speaker 1: All right, So that is Wes Miller after the win

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Speaker 1: last night. So again there's parts I agree with you.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's it's much better to correct things and work on

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Speaker 1: things when you win a game as opposed to losing

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Speaker 1: a game. There was also a statement made last night

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Speaker 1: Austin by Kerr Crisa. He goes by Kerr now on

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Speaker 1: the back of his jersey, which again I think I'm

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Speaker 1: a fan of.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 1: But Kerr after the win last night, was talking about

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Speaker 1: Dayde Thomas and essentially mentioned, you know, Kerr got to

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Speaker 1: the locker room about two hours before tip yesterday and

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Speaker 1: saw day Day Thomas coming into the locker room like

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Speaker 1: in a full blown sweat, like had just put in

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Speaker 1: a full workout. And Kerk creesa looks to dayDay Thomas

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Speaker 1: and courage explaining this in his postgame press conference. But

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Speaker 1: he looked at dayDay Thomas and he said, man, you

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Speaker 1: look like you're getting ready to go for thirty tonight,

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Speaker 1: you know, getting some work in full body sweat. And

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Speaker 1: day Day Thomas looked at Kirk Creese and said, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure Javon Bennett doesn't do anything tonight.

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Speaker 1: And Bennett is the best player for the Dayton Flyers.

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Speaker 1: And last night Bennett went three for fifteen from the field,

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Speaker 1: twelve points and turned the ball over twice. Javon Bennett

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Speaker 1: is the guard for Dayton that really makes them go.

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Speaker 1: So I like that mindset, Austin. I like the idea

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Speaker 1: of man, I'm getting into the locker room and here

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Speaker 1: comes day Ay Thomas. He looks like he's ready to

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Speaker 1: go for thirty and day Day's response is, no, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to shut down Javon Bennett tonight. That that's the

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Speaker 1: mindset you have to have to be successful, especially on

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Speaker 1: a team like U. See who's gonna try to get

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Speaker 1: out and run. That I think is going to prove

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Speaker 1: very key, as this team is unique in a sense

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Speaker 1: that it's got veterans, it's got guys that have been

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Speaker 1: in the program and some young talent all kind of

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Speaker 1: blending in together. Bob A Miller eight points and ten

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Speaker 1: boards last night. He led the team in rebounds. Mustapha

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Speaker 1: Chom five points and seven boards on the night day

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Speaker 1: Dave Thomas was the leader last night, twenty points he

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Speaker 1: poured in. Shawnabive had fourteen. If Shanabiv can figure out

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Speaker 1: how to shoot free throws, he's going to be a

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Speaker 1: much better player. He was just fifty percent from the

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Speaker 1: foul line last night. Kerkresa had nine points and off

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Speaker 1: the bench, Tyler McKinley added four, Sincere Harris headed eight

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Speaker 1: and Jaylenzelestine added six. That's how the Bearcats got to

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Speaker 1: seventy four again. They'll play Mount Saint Mary's on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: and then they will play next Friday night at Heritage

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Speaker 1: Bank Center against Pat Kelsey Louisville Cardinals. Plenty more on

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Speaker 1: that as we go. For now, we'll open up the

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Speaker 1: phone lines again five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen

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Speaker 1: thirty your calls and a wrap up to our number

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Speaker 1: one next on the Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: He's Taylor Versus Tomlin, the.

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Speaker 6: Official home of the Cincinnati Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back since e three to sixty.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to our friends at Skyline Chiley anytime you're

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Speaker 1: feeling good and hungry at Skyline time. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being a part of the show. Your talkback

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Speaker 1: has come up an hour number two, Zach Taylor's weekly

726
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: press conference will kick things off in just a few moments.

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Speaker 1: To kick off the second hour of the show. We

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Speaker 1: have we've spent time on the Bengals, and we will

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Speaker 1: again as the show moves on. We have talked the

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Speaker 1: college sports landscape. We have not spent a lot of

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Speaker 1: time on the Reds and I get it to the

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Speaker 1: offseason and free agency has been kind of quiet. No

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Speaker 1: major deals have really been turned in yet. You asked

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Speaker 1: me something though, yesterday, Austin, that I thought at least

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Speaker 1: appropriate to circle back to for just a moment. The

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Reds are going to be without a few key

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Speaker 1: players going into next year, players who became free agents

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Speaker 1: after this season ended. Those players include Nick Martinez, Zach Lttel,

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Speaker 1: Wade Miley, Miguel and Juhar, Emelio Pagan, Austin Hayes, Scott Barlow.

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Speaker 1: Out of the players that right now the Reds have

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Speaker 1: lost this offseason already, Austin, who is the most valuable

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Speaker 1: or who is the hardest that this team will have

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Speaker 1: an issue replacing. I would have to say it's the bullpen,

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Speaker 1: just because there's so many people in there. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that I would say Emilio Pagan specifically, because I

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Speaker 1: do think he was fine this year, but he wasn't,

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Speaker 1: you know, spectacular, He wasn't absurd. I wasn't the biggest

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Speaker 1: Pegan fan. But it's like the trickle down effect of

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Speaker 1: his absence and Scott Barlow's absence too. I think Scott

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Speaker 1: Barlow ended up pitching in two hundred and forty games

751
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Speaker 1: for the Reds last year, can you have I know

752
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: Charlie wrote about this today or late last night. A

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Speaker 1: left handed reliever and a high leverage reliever, and who

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Speaker 1: is the guy who's gonna take control of the closer position.

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00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm assuming Tony Santian gets the first crack at it

756
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Speaker 1: going into spring training, and he's deserved that that chance.

757
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Speaker 1: But there's just a lot of guys to replace in

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Speaker 1: the bullpens. So for that reason, it's more than just

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Speaker 1: one guy. I mean, I would love to have somebody

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Speaker 1: as productive as Miguele Andahrr was after the trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was he the best move

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Speaker 1: they made. Yeah, probably, I don't know that. You know,

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Speaker 1: Zach Lytel was okay, Yeah, yeah, I would say Migueleandhrer

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Speaker 1: I don't think it.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 1: There wasn't a ton that that obviously this team did.

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Speaker 1: But it's just it just awesome to me. It feels

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Speaker 1: like such a weird spot for this organization because they

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Speaker 1: are losing. I think you would refer to many of

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Speaker 1: them as role players. But when you lose that many

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Speaker 1: role players and you don't have that many top end

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Speaker 1: stars that have been consistent enough for this team. It

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Speaker 1: just feels like this organization is in a very unique

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Speaker 1: situation right now going to the offseason. It feels like

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Speaker 1: there's a ton of holes and a ton of questions

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Speaker 1: that have to be answered.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that, and I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: It might not even be questions at this point, because

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Speaker 1: we already pretty much know that Elli daily Cruz is

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Speaker 1: not going to move to the outfield. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: confirmed yesterday, and I know Charlie reported that as well.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I would say it's really a

783
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: unique situation. They need pitching depth. Every team in baseball

784
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Speaker 1: needs it. Every team in baseball is looking for relievers.

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious based off of how the trade deadline

786
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: went last year, the price for relievers was ridiculous, and

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Speaker 1: I'm curious if that's going to be the case again

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Speaker 1: this year in the offseason, just because of the way

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Speaker 1: that pitchers are used in today's day and age, teams

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Speaker 1: and players going five innings and max velocity, and then

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Speaker 1: you turn over to the bullpen and you saw just

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Speaker 1: how important a bullpen that's formidable was over the course

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Speaker 1: of the playoffs. So they're in the boat, the same

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Speaker 1: boat as a lot of teams, which is they need

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Speaker 1: help in their bullpen, and I don't know if they

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Speaker 1: have what they feel like is the money to do

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Speaker 1: that while also adding depth to the roster right outside

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Speaker 1: of the bullpen itself. How does Spencer Steer fit into

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Speaker 1: the equation? Because he was excellent at gold gold glove

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Speaker 1: level first basement defensively, offensively, we started to see who

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Speaker 1: he was in the second half when he was fully healthy.

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Speaker 1: Can he be like Chris Bryant in twenty sixteen with

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Cubs. He played third base, he played second,

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Speaker 1: he played first, he played outfield. Spencer Love's moving around

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Speaker 1: to different positions. Can he be the jack of all

806
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: trades this year and consistently perform offensively and allow some

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Speaker 1: flexibility for the rest of that roster? That might determine. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here's where Gavin lux is gonna be, Here's where South

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Speaker 1: Stewart is going to be, and so on. What also, like,

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Speaker 1: what is the what's the bounce back if like Matt

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Speaker 1: McClain is at essentially a similar level next year?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta move on.

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Speaker 1: How quick are you ready to pull the plug? You

814
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: should because this year there weren't willing to do it.

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Speaker 1: They can't go an entire summer with him performing that

816
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Speaker 1: poorly and just give him a chance to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: If you're serious about winning, that's the thing, then you

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Speaker 1: gotta say, Okay, Matt, we're gonna send you down to

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Speaker 1: Triple A, We're gonna send you back to the Complex

820
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Speaker 1: League or whatever it is and figure this out. If

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Speaker 1: you're on as you refer too many times, on an

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Speaker 1: aggressive pursuit of a championship, he's not just handed anything

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Speaker 1: going forward. Yeah, I mean, the big thing with this

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Speaker 1: Reds team, it's gonna basically be the same team, and

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Speaker 1: how they spend that twenty million dollars to add depth

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Speaker 1: and to fill out the bullpen is going to determine

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Speaker 1: how successful they are in twenty twenty six and do

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Speaker 1: they have players on the current roster ready to take

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Speaker 1: a bigger step to contribute to this team. South Stewart

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Speaker 1: somebody like that, Yeah, I mean, what if there's mate.

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Speaker 1: There's one thing I've learned, I don't trust anybody to

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Speaker 1: take a step. Zach Taylor has a big step to

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Speaker 1: take this week, he speaks to the media. We'll carry

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Speaker 1: that next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati sports station.

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