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Speaker 1: Bill cunning in the Great America, welcome this Tuesday afternoon

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Speaker 1: with trice date that brutal temperatures remain. I could use

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Speaker 1: a little bit of global warming right about now. You

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Speaker 1: may recall in November we had someone on from the

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Speaker 1: Farmer's Almanac who said that he thought winter was going

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Speaker 1: to be terrible awful. No one snickered. I know, Brian

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Speaker 1: Hammrick of the power of five snickered. We've not had

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Speaker 1: a bad winner for a long time. But this is

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Speaker 1: making up for everything. The next week or ten days

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Speaker 1: will be below zero as a low, and the highs

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Speaker 1: only in the teens in the twenties will see what

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Speaker 1: happens in about ten days. But until then, because of

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Speaker 1: all the snow and other activities, a case has gone

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Speaker 1: below the radar. That is the sentencing of three of

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Speaker 1: the four individuals who stole a car in Edgewood, Kentucky

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Speaker 1: that ultimately resulted in the murder of Deputy Sheriff Larry

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Speaker 1: Henderson while doing duty at the UC graduation ceremony. And

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Speaker 1: I vaguely recall something I read a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: This sentencing of the three that are alive and well,

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Speaker 1: Jarrell Austin who's eighteen, the Anthony Bullock's nineteen. Sincere that's

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Speaker 1: the first name Sincere Grigsby is eighteen. And I wanted

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Speaker 1: to catch up with Brian Hamlet and see what happened

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Speaker 1: in those cases, because it appears city councils about to

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Speaker 1: give the family of Ryan Hinton and a wrongful discharge

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Speaker 1: by a cop of his weapon, maybe one to two

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Speaker 1: million dollars plus. The father, Rodney Hinton, is right now

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Speaker 1: up for a trial. He won't be eligible for the

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Speaker 1: death penalty because of his mental condition, but likely he's

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Speaker 1: going to be I would think convicted and serve the

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Speaker 1: rest of his life in jail, but that's down the

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Speaker 1: road too. So oddly, the family of Ryan Hinton, which

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Speaker 1: is also the family of Rodney Hinton, the father who

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Speaker 1: murdered Larry Henderson, likely is going to get millions of

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Speaker 1: dollars because of city council, which is ridiculous. Every time

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Speaker 1: I bring this up to a police officer. It could

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Speaker 1: be in Maryman, it could be in Green Township, could

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Speaker 1: be in northern Kentucky. They get outraged that someone who

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Speaker 1: murdered a police officer his family is going to be

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Speaker 1: enrich to the tune of millions of dollars. A man

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Speaker 1: with the update is Brian Hammrick of the Power of Five.

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Speaker 1: I know you've been working the slopes, you've been working hard.

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Speaker 1: All the skiing going on and all the snow going on.

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Speaker 1: This is catastrophe. I know you've been to Kroger recently.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing left on the shelf like in the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: But first of all, Brian Hamrick, welcome to the bill.

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Speaker 1: Cunningham showed briefly, give us an update. Let the American

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Speaker 1: people be reminded about what happened in April thirtieth in Edgewood, Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: and how that resulted in the murder of Larry Henderson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well thanks again, mister Cunningham. Yeah, so what we've

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Speaker 2: got here, we've got these there were four of them,

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Speaker 2: and it was just like we've seen in a whole

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Speaker 2: bunch of these cases, the guys carrying guns going into

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Speaker 2: the neighborhoods, taking the cars. They take off in his

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Speaker 2: car and then the police catch up with them. And

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Speaker 2: when they do, we've all seen that video, they get

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Speaker 2: out of the car and uh, you know, no matter

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Speaker 2: where you come down on this thing, the end, at

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Speaker 2: the end, result was Ryan Hinton was dead. Police they

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Speaker 2: picked up a gun, threatened him and they shot him

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Speaker 2: to death. Uh, but he ended up dead inness the

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Speaker 2: other three took off. They ended up getting those guys

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Speaker 2: in the next couple of days. Well, it turns out

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Speaker 2: these guys had all been in trouble before. I'm not

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Speaker 2: exactly sure what Ryan Hinton's background was, but whatever it was,

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Speaker 2: he was hanging around at least with these other three

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Speaker 2: guys who had who had been doing this exact same

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Speaker 2: kind of thing, playing with guns, uh, and said at

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Speaker 2: times some of them were either in the car with

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Speaker 2: people that are shooting at other people, had shot at

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Speaker 2: other people, stolen car cases on some of their records.

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Speaker 2: So these guys, this is these are some of the

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Speaker 2: people that we've been dealing with, you know, that had

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out who they are. Well, they find

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Speaker 2: them and it's trouble and uh, you know, and Ryan

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Speaker 2: Hinton practically gets killed in this thing because I'm sure

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Speaker 2: these kids eighteen the oldest is nineteen years old. But

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Speaker 2: got guns, but all my buddies have guns. You know,

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Speaker 2: we all listen to this music that tells us we

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Speaker 2: you know that. And so they're they're out, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure in their wildest dream they had no idea what

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Speaker 2: the spin off from that is when his dad sees

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Speaker 2: should have been shot to death to what he saw.

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Speaker 2: He gets upset about it, out of his mind. According

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Speaker 2: to Well, the three people said he had a mental illness,

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Speaker 2: and Clyde Bennett's going to try and prove that he

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Speaker 2: was not in his right mind when he ran over

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Speaker 2: Deputy Larry Henderson. Executors stipulated to the point that he

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Speaker 2: had a mental illness, But they are going to try

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Speaker 2: him for this other part of it. They're going to

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Speaker 2: try and get him life in prison without parole. But

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Speaker 2: this whole chain of events was set off by these

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Speaker 2: four kids going and stealing this car. Well the other day.

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Speaker 2: Two of them pleaded guilty. Sincere Griggsby pleaded guilty, and

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Speaker 2: they dropped a whole bunch of weapons charges. I think

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Speaker 2: they kept an obstructing charge on him, and they sentenced

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Speaker 2: him to It was community service that they sentenced him

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Speaker 2: to community and so now it's community service. And Griggsby,

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Speaker 2: he had already less than a year before that, had

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Speaker 2: been in a stolen car case before I don't even

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Speaker 2: think they had adjudicated that case yet. And then he

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Speaker 2: was in a vehicle with someone who shot and hit

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Speaker 3: So shooting.

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Speaker 2: He was hanging around with some other dangerous people who

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Speaker 2: didn't mind firing off guns. That was already happening. He

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Speaker 2: gets back in another car, it happens again. Somebody gets

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Speaker 2: killed in this case. But he's out on community service now.

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Speaker 2: The other guy, the Anthony bullets, he's nineteen years old.

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Speaker 2: He pleaded guilty to obstructing justice, multiple charges, including seft

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Speaker 2: of the car, all these firearms charges, including weapons under disability,

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Speaker 2: which meant he had had guns before got caught with it.

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Speaker 2: Was doing things that he wasn't supposed to be doing.

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Speaker 2: He gets ten months in jail, and his records show

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Speaker 2: that he had at least two passed charges involving cars

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Speaker 2: that left. Now, the third guy, Darrell Austin, he was

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Speaker 2: expected to plead guilty the other day. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: exactly what happened. It didn't happen. They're going to take

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Speaker 2: him in front of the same judge, Katie Cash. She's

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Speaker 2: the one who sentenced the others and she's the one

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Speaker 2: February second. But Darrell Austin, he'll have charges facing related

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Speaker 2: to the stolen car. He has weapons, but he has

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Speaker 2: accusations that he shot somebody in a previous case, shout

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Speaker 2: across a road or something like that and hit someone.

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Speaker 2: I think that person survived. But here's the Anthony bullets.

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Speaker 2: He gets. His sentence was it was ten months in jail,

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Speaker 2: but he's getting credit for two hundred and some days serve,

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Speaker 2: so he won't spending much time, if any, in jail,

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Speaker 2: actually any more than he's spent in jail. The other

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Speaker 2: guy gets out with community service in tense parole. We

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Speaker 2: don't know what the third guy's going to end up getting,

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Speaker 2: but these guys all have a lengthy record as you

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Speaker 2: can see. I'm not sure what's going to happen when

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Speaker 2: they get out now, said, the story will be if

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Speaker 2: their futures in front of them or if their past

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Speaker 1: They're not honorall students. And the other thing about dismissing

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Speaker 1: the gun speck, Ohio has a little gun spec that

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Speaker 1: says if while committing some other offense, such as stealing

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Speaker 1: a car, you're in possession of a firearm, you get

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Speaker 1: an additional three years in prison. So they had to

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Speaker 1: dismiss the spec in order to give them probation. Is

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Speaker 1: that correct?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, according to that. If you know, none of

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Speaker 2: them got, like I said, anymore. And with county jail.

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Speaker 2: The one got the ten months, the bullets got ten

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Speaker 2: months in jail, and it's in the county jail. They

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Speaker 2: didn't go to prison.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: And and you know it makes you wonder about, you know,

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Speaker 2: will there be some way to get these these kids' attention?

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Speaker 2: And you know, you would think having when your buddy

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Speaker 2: have an effect, but you know it hasn't. So far.

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Speaker 2: They've been through the juvenile system and it hasn't had

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Speaker 2: an effect. And now we're going to Basically it's a

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Speaker 3: Well with Ryan Hinton.

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Speaker 1: The family's outrage because the video, which I've seen five

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Speaker 1: or ten different times, it's blurry. It's obvious he had

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Speaker 1: the gun. He had the gun with him to steal

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Speaker 1: the car in Edgewood, Kentucky. He then brings it back

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Speaker 1: here everyone, it's a fire drill. When they corral the guy,

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Speaker 1: he reaches into the car, pulls out the gun again.

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Speaker 1: He then drops the gun. He picks up the gun

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Speaker 1: the third time. The intentions are clear. And so at

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Speaker 1: this point, I don't know what you can say other

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Speaker 1: than in the good old days, all three of these

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Speaker 1: guys would have got serious time in the penitentiary. Is enough,

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Speaker 1: stop what you're doing. But in today's criminal justice system

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Speaker 1: that's not the case. And that's why this mandatory sentencing,

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Speaker 1: because the lawmakers and Columbus say to liberal judges, look,

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Speaker 1: we're going to handcuff you a little bit that if

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Speaker 1: you commit this offense, you must go to prison, which

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Speaker 1: is the additional three years on the gun spec And

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Speaker 1: now in some of the laws they have five years

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Speaker 1: on a gun spec. I could not think of a

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Speaker 1: clear example of individuals possessing a gun that several individuals

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Speaker 1: old days that would have been, Okay, We're going to

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Speaker 1: throw the book.

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Speaker 3: At these guys. That's not the way it works today,

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Speaker 3: is it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it isn't working like that apparently in this case.

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe they think these these kids can be turnaround,

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Speaker 2: you know, rehabilitated. They're very turn around at the same time.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's but you know, even if you're if

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Speaker 2: you're against those you know, long term things, you know,

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Speaker 2: those sentence and mandatory sentences, well, this is the kind

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Speaker 2: of case that should really, you know, get under your

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Speaker 2: skin because you know, this is the kind of thing

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Speaker 2: that exactly what happens that gives the fuel to the

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Speaker 2: folks that want those mandatory sentences. This is exactly why

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Speaker 2: they're doing it, you know, And so yes, it's it's

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Speaker 2: it's I think it's disturbing for people you know, who

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Speaker 2: you know, want to see something happen in terms of

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Speaker 2: getting the you know, the violence taken care of and

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Speaker 2: putting the lid on it. And it's uh, it's just

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Speaker 2: you know, you know, there's no good answer for it.

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Speaker 2: But when you see it keeps happening over and over

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Speaker 2: and over again. Like you said, there are folks that

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Speaker 2: are going to make laws and try and you know,

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Speaker 2: get ahead of that. And that's why that's what we're

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Speaker 2: seeing happen. And uh, and we're seeing it because of

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Speaker 2: instances just like this. Two people end up with kids,

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Speaker 2: They made him feel special in a way they never

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Speaker 2: yeah kidd, and they'd sooner or later they're going to

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Speaker 1: They're going to go back out and uh Jarrell Austin

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Speaker 1: if these four characters, these teenage boys, had not stolen

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Speaker 2: He'd be alive, and so would Ryan Hinton. They would

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Speaker 3: Talk all they're coming up, they're coming up.

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Speaker 2: Talk to them, yeah, and we're but they're being recruited

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I'm gonna know their permission. Brian

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Speaker 1: Hemrick about I don't know. About three months ago, I

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Speaker 1: this felonies, felonies started in Edgewood, Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: And that's Kenton County. And I'm gonna call.

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Speaker 1: Him a little bit here and that are you aware

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Speaker 3: These kids get probation.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm going to call Rob Sanders and say, Rob,

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Speaker 1: It was proper what the officer CPD did. And yet

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Speaker 1: likely we're going to pay millions of dollars and these

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Speaker 1: Benner tells me there's a different view about guns and

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Speaker 1: now liberal heaven or Brian, we got to go. Good

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Speaker 1: luck and good luck with your snow coverage.

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Speaker 2: Good luck with that cover the snow today thanking hand.

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Speaker 1: No, you're the man, Brian Hamrick. The Power five in unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: And the good old days, these kids would be up

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Speaker 1: in Chillicoffee. Today they're back on the streets, likely stealing

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Speaker 1: is not the way it's supposed to work. Bill Cunningham,

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