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Speaker 2: Are you catching shade for both password and from Fallness

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Speaker 2: But I mean that's that's a tough that's a tough job.

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Speaker 3: Once in a blue moon when all kind of wants

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Speaker 3: So after the loss to the Penguins. Here's a Russo tweet.

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Speaker 3: The Wild have now won three of their first twelve games.

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Speaker 2: Two federal judges today, there's been a lot of discussion

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Speaker 2: Regarding food assistance benefits, two federal judges today said the

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Speaker 2: Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. Quote. There is no doubt and

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Speaker 2: This is not unprecedented. Sometimes in these kinds of winds,

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Speaker 4: and caprice hops making mistakes low the ice. Some people

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00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 4: believe he may be trying to press, trying to make

431
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 4: up for what else is going on in the ice

432
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 4: and is leading the problems that may be possible. But

433
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 4: when the when the coach comes out and says they

434
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 4: have to have a talk with them about making better decisions,

435
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 4: that's not good either. So there's a lot of negative.

436
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 4: There's no one Bluto on this team right now, and

437
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 4: they gotta find la Blake.

438
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Speaker 2: Moore, What do you think?

439
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Speaker 3: I mean, I agree and disagree with the text. I

440
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: agree with parts. I do think the returning to a

441
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 3: mean the Wild should be closer to what they were

442
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 3: last year at the beginning of the year than they

443
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Speaker 3: are what they are showing right now. I would say

444
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,479
Speaker 3: it's not really a mean. I don't think there is

445
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 3: as good as they showed earlier in the year or

446
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 3: earlier last year, but they're closer to that. The problem

447
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: with me is the rebuild is well under way, and

448
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 3: it's true that we're playing a lot of young players.

449
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: And I'm all for that.

450
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 3: My problem is is that a rebuild typically means you

451
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 3: show some people out the door, yeah, and you bring

452
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 3: new people in the door. And one thing we know

453
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Speaker 3: with Billy g is he is loyal to his guys

454
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Speaker 3: to a fault, to an end. I mean Joann Johansson,

455
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: who has been playing well, but I mean he brought

456
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 3: him back on a vet minimum where they probably wouldn't

457
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 3: of It is seeming to be paying off at least slightly.

458
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: Goodreau was here for like three years, longer than he

459
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 3: probably should have been. There are guys on this team

460
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 3: and then the coaching staff that he is just loyal to.

461
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 3: And so I don't agree entirely with the rebuild because

462
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 3: eventually you've got to actually build something new, and it

463
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: feels like we're running back the same thing for the

464
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 3: most part, and right now it's not good enough.

465
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 2: But I mean, hopefully they turn it around. It's a

466
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: long season. Let's talk football level. I want to talk

467
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: both in the college level with the Gophers and the Vikings.

468
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: And it was a horrific weekend, as you well know.

469
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Speaker 2: In both cases, the poll ad term applies total system failures.

470
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 2: The Vikings were never really in the game against the Chargers.

471
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Speaker 2: What do we lose by was it ended up being

472
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Speaker 2: thirty seven to ten? We continue to play it. We've

473
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: continued to play a quarterback. I don't know what we thought.

474
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: We were proving that he's good. We're going to be

475
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: tough guy and he wants to play or keep throwing

476
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 2: him out there. He looked like he was going to

477
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: die out there. He looked like he was in agonizing pain.

478
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: He also didn't look like through much of it that

479
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: as the game went on that he was really even

480
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: capable of doing anything in a game where it might

481
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: might not have mattered if he could offense and defense

482
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: completely beaten at the line of scrimmage by Harbaugh's gang.

483
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: In the case of the Gophers, you could argue it

484
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: was even worse in that at one point in that

485
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 2: ball game, the home standing Iowahawk guys had thirty one

486
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 2: points and the Golden Gophers had one yard of total offense.

487
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: That was the comparison thirty one to one points two yards.

488
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Speaker 2: So which team? I guess it's an easy question if

489
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Speaker 2: I ask you which team has a better chance to recover,

490
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: largely because the Gophers are at home playing a very

491
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 2: beatable Michigan State team. Meanwhile, the Vikings have to go

492
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 2: to Detroit to take on the Lions. Do you give

493
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: them any chance to pull the upset that they obviously

494
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: need if they're going to kind of shock the system

495
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: and give people the impression maybe even themselves, the impression

496
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: that they can still save this season.

497
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Speaker 4: About the Vikings, Yeah, so what are you doing.

498
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: Vikings?

499
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't even I wouldn't even take the Vikings

500
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 4: in the points if I was in Vegas the way,

501
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 4: because my big, my big concern is that what the

502
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 4: hell's going on on defense? I think the interior of

503
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 4: the defensive line. Their tackles have not a hard grave

504
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 4: has not been good, and the other guys been not

505
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 4: been much better. And the Chargers were running down their

506
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 4: throats and they they were so chesty in preseason about

507
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 4: how great the defensive tackles looked, and they were able

508
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 4: to trade hairs themselves because they had other guys they

509
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 4: thought they could get the job done. What's not happening,

510
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 4: and they're getting obliterated of the gut, justin Herbert completing

511
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 4: passes through the mill just torch in the middle of

512
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: that secondary. I was trying to figure out what's going

513
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 4: on there from a precious standpoint, from a covery standpoint,

514
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 4: from an assignment's standpoint, that's really concerned for Brian Floor's defense.

515
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 4: So they got small corners and the bigger, bigger receivers

516
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 4: can give them problems especially if they got some speed.

517
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 4: I just don't know what's going on in the secondary there.

518
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 4: And if Jim Harbaugh can carve up that defense, what

519
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 4: do you think that the Detroit Lions can do with

520
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 4: this two headed running attack of so Jamiir Gibbs and

521
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 4: David Montgomery, and with the weapons that Jared Golf has

522
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: across the board, with his three receivers and Sam Reporter.

523
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 4: That's a tall task for the Vikings that go on

524
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Speaker 4: the road and overcome. And they've lost the last five

525
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 4: times they faced the Lions. You know, I was reading

526
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 4: to start tributing today and Ben Guessli mentioned that the

527
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 4: last time they lost five straight was when the Viking

528
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 4: goes back when the Vikings were expansion team. Oh my god,

529
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 4: you know, so that was just that's pretty remarkable. I

530
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 4: don't have any confidence that the Vikings are gonna go

531
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Speaker 4: in to win this game. I don't have any confidence

532
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: that they're gonna get within was eight a half points.

533
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: And nine half points and a half right now?

534
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 4: I don't know if they it was an eight and

535
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 4: a half with j J. McCarthy making his third NFL start, right,

536
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 4: third NFL start, and you're asked to come in and

537
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 4: and and manage the offense where the offensive line is

538
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 4: still trying to get hold. I don't know when they're

539
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 4: gonna have their starting center back, if ever T J.

540
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 4: Hockinson's been m I A don't know what you think

541
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 4: about the running game. This is just this is just

542
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 4: too tough of a tax tax for the Vikings to overcome. Uh.

543
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 4: If I was the betman, I would take the line.

544
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 4: I take him the cover man. The Gophers have a

545
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 4: much better chance. Although I noticed the only was a

546
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: three and a half play favorite two and a half.

547
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: I didn't check that. We'll double check it. We'll double

548
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: check it. I haven't checked the tie.

549
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 4: I mean that's in the diamond on the Vikers too,

550
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 4: because the golfers too, because the the Michigan State spartans

551
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 4: or anything to write home about. They're on the road

552
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 4: and that's and that's all they're favorite. Buy that's a

553
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 4: little concerning, Yeah, that I would get open eye. They

554
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 4: got to being all three phases. Their probably couldn't kick

555
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 4: the ball the pounds. The best player is a you know,

556
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 4: first year starting quarterback, and when he's not playing well,

557
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 4: we see how horrible the offense is. The offensive line

558
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 4: is significantly worse than it was a year ago, to

559
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 4: the point where his marginalized Darius Taylor, even if he's

560
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 4: healthy or not or not one hundred percent. Pj's got

561
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 4: some issues here and it's not out of the run.

562
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 4: The possibility that Michigan State hangs at l on the

563
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 4: Gopher tomorrow and Bank Stadium, So I think the Vikers

564
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 4: have a much harder path to uh to beat their

565
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 4: opponent this weekend. But we could be back in your

566
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 4: on your show a Monday lamenting another weekend to be

567
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 4: all the football teams get off.

568
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: That would be you don't talk about devastating back to back,

569
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: especially if the Gophers can't take care of I think

570
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: Michigan State is winless in the conference to this point.

571
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: They haven't gotten like blown out of every game. They

572
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: did get blown out by the by the Hoosiers most recently,

573
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: but they're that's a game you gotta win. Derek Shelton

574
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: will be introduced as the new Twins manager. I think Tuesday,

575
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: do you are you? Do you subscribe to the theory

576
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: that this pick is too safe a managerial choice I

577
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: would have been trying.

578
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 4: With either Shelton or Dames Rolson I think the I

579
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 4: think the question that the Twins struggled with during this process,

580
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 4: if James is ready for his first opportunity to manage,

581
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 4: you know, I I like James resume up to this point, Jyrow,

582
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 4: we all call him jy Row. He's worked with great hitters,

583
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 4: He's worked on good teams. He is a bench coach

584
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 4: under Done Manningly, who I think is one of He's

585
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 4: one of the smartest baseball people I've ever encountered in

586
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 4: my travels as a baseball writer. So he worked under

587
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: a brilliant man and Manally who, by the way, is

588
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 4: the bench coach of the Blue Jays in the World

589
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 4: Series tonight trying to uh win Game six and win

590
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 4: the series. So I wouldn't mind James, I think in

591
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: the Twins' minds, I'm trying to I'm trying to think

592
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 4: like I think they were, they would take like I

593
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 4: think they they wanted a manager who's got some experience

594
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 4: because he wants them. He wants them to be able

595
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 4: to reach out to some of these kids that are

596
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 4: trying to get over the hump and and try to

597
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 4: get them to be more productive. Royce Lewis has to

598
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 4: be at the top of the list, and then Brooksley

599
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: has to be close second, followed by why Waller. So

600
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 4: you I think they just wanted to avoid having the

601
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 4: first time manager Jitters. But man, I will tell you this,

602
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: if there was a time to try first time manager,

603
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 4: be right now when you're at hock Bottom. Because there's

604
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 4: no indications that they're gonna add to this roster. I

605
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 4: don't think they're gonna add much to it. There's a

606
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 4: good chance to may trade Joe Ryan during the offseason,

607
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 4: and they're gonna have to, you know, reset their rotation.

608
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 4: They definitely have to build a bullpen because their bullpen

609
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 4: was a play ben ten the second half of the season.

610
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 4: This may have been the right moment to bring in

611
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 4: a new guy, So I could see some I could

612
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 4: see the reason in behind thinking that the Twins played

613
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 4: this one safe. But I do think I do think

614
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 4: Shelton's incredible guy. And believe it or not, ladies and gentlemen,

615
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 4: he was in the worst situation in Pittsburgh are now

616
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 4: because they they've never spent on that team. The Pirates

617
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 4: during COVID throws their payments to the employee pension plan,

618
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 4: which was I think it was the only team that

619
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 4: did that. So they definitely offered on the chief, but

620
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 4: leave they would never in the minds even think about

621
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: possibly signing Carl's Korell. You know, at least had Twins

622
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 4: tried that. So you're coming back here, who's familiar gets

623
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 4: a chance three set his career and apply some of

624
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 4: the things he's learned, you know, as a manager, see

625
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 4: if he can put the Twins on the right track.

626
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 4: So I wouldn't mind either one. I kind of wish

627
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 4: Jay Row would have got his first shot here, but

628
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 4: I'm not too upset about something.

629
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Speaker 2: Look, here's I mean, that's part of what you've alluded to.

630
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: Part of what worries me here is that the that

631
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: one of the reasons it's a safe choice is that

632
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: this is a manager who's already accustomed to even worse

633
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: payroll conditions. And to that extent, they're going to assume

634
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: that he's not going to be a guy who's going

635
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: to chafe much about it or complain much about it,

636
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: because he's already learned how to deal with it. And

637
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: you know, I mentioned on the TV on Enough set

638
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: of the TV show, which is going to be on

639
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: sometime late tonight on Fox nine after the Game six

640
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: of the World Series, which I want to get to

641
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: in a minute, that the move strikes me. And again,

642
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: this says nothing about his ability as a manager, you know,

643
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: because I think most people think he's a competent, very

644
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: competent baseball guy. But it feels like a country club move.

645
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: I used to call the Wolves the six hundred first

646
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: Avenue country Club back in the Michale flip days where

647
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: they got kind of caught in the middle, make the

648
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: playoffs every year, get knocked out in the first round.

649
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 2: And I felt like they all had been around each

650
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: other so long in the country club that they were

651
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: reinforcing each other's views and protecting each other. And it

652
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: was really needed was a voice from outside of all

653
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: of it. And by the way, they brought that voice

654
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: in briefly Dwayne Casey and basically did never never get

655
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: the country club, never gave him a chance to actually

656
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: be the coach that I think he could have been.

657
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 4: And to me, he got kicked up by that.

658
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: I agree, Well, he got kicked out now was it

659
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: was also while we gotta put we gotta change, we

660
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: got to put Randy Whitman back as the interim coach

661
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: as the country club member for so long, and this

662
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: feels country clubish to me. This is a guy they

663
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: already know. Chances are he's not going to make a

664
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 2: ruffle a lot, you know, a lot of feathers. He's

665
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 2: not going to make a lot of waves. And you'd

666
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: like to see I think somebody that might even be

667
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: willing to challenge the front office, mean like open mutiny,

668
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: but just with some different ideas. Let's hear from somebody

669
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: completely outside all of this, and because maybe we all

670
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: need to hear it. And as you say, maybe it's irrelative,

671
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: irrelevant if the talent's going to be as limited or

672
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: you're going to continue to trade away talent. Maybe we're

673
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: spinning our wheels kidding ourselves at any managerial hire matters.

674
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: I would just like you say, say, I'll I'd rather

675
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: take a chance on a first time guy because they've

676
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 2: got so little to lose at this point.

677
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 4: Well, I would say this though, if they wanted to know,

678
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 4: if they wanted to get out of the country club comfort,

679
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 4: they should have you know, dug In Dee Fronk Scott

680
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 4: Servis who was from the Seattle Mariners. He actually coaching

681
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 4: manage their playoffs with them. Uh, he had Julia Rodriguez

682
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 4: when he was a rookie and and you know, tore

683
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 4: up the league as a rookie. So he knows how

684
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 4: to deal with young players. And maybe he's a guy

685
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 4: because James Robinson was a coach here for three years,

686
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 4: he kind of he's part of the country club.

687
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: That's true.

688
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 4: That were doing would just be renewing his membership. Yeah,

689
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 4: maybe he Maybe they could have went that route with Service.

690
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 4: Oh maybe, because I don't know the ins and out

691
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 4: to how all these interviews went at Service talked to

692
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 4: the Twins. Team may have heard about their future and

693
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 4: what their plans were and said, maybe this isn't the

694
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 4: right place to get back into the game.

695
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: Man.

696
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 4: He may decided that too. We don't know that for sure.

697
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of open questions. Are the the

698
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: I mentioned the World Series which resumes in Toronto. Everybody

699
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: left Toronto for Dad after the eighteen inning, you know,

700
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: mini drama. But they've responded very nicely. The Dodgers are

701
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: suddenly having difficulty hitting. Are the Dodgers in trouble? Do

702
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: you think Toronto's got this series.

703
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 4: Twos in trouble? Think an eight gal, you know, texting

704
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 4: me after that epic game and said, well, the Dodgers

705
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 4: gonna win the series. Now, Well, one she hates the

706
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 4: Blue Jays because she's a Yankees fan. All right, so

707
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 4: I'm gon get the Yankees fans. We're dancing in the

708
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 4: streets after that after that game. But that all negated

709
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 4: by them beating Otai. And once your slay the dragon,

710
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 4: anything's possible now. Uh. The Blue Jay's ability to work

711
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 4: counts extended fats and get some production with different people,

712
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 4: even the bottom of their order, triggers out a way

713
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 4: to have competitive, professional at bats and it has not

714
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 4: allowed the Dodgers to carve them up as much. And

715
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 4: they they have to go to the bullpen and good

716
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 4: things happening. You penetrate that Dodgers' bullpen. So I think

717
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 4: they got a chance here. If you can be old TONI,

718
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: you could you could be Mimotos now ya. Momoto has

719
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 4: been a monster this postseason. He's been outstanding. Uh. His

720
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: last started against the Blue Jays in a complete game

721
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 4: against the the Brewers in the n OCS. But this dog,

722
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 4: this blue Jays offense, No, they could swing in and

723
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 4: they can take pro bats and They're not gonna They're

724
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 4: not gonna give into this guy. So if they can

725
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 4: get a decent ounty from Kevin Gosman, who I'm worried

726
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 4: about a little bit going into this game, and they

727
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 4: get a decent out from Gosman, then get to you am.

728
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 4: In the first three innings, they could win this thing

729
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 4: and in the baseball season tonight. And if they don't,

730
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 4: it's gonna be very interesting for geven Game seven, because

731
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 4: I was reading stories this morning about Otani possibly possibly

732
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 4: being used as a closer in the game of a

733
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 4: situation that would be pretty interesting. I'm looking forward to

734
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 4: selling in and watching some ball tonight.

735
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: How last item for you today, Lavo, how do we

736
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: explain what I believe is the inexplicable that, in an

737
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: era in which I get it, baseball is not the

738
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: national pastime the way it once was. That despite that,

739
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: the Otani story should be much bigger beyond the you know,

740
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: the sort of the relatively closed world of ball guys

741
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: and baseball fans. I honestly don't think your average sports

742
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 2: roube appreciates enough exactly what this young man has accomplished

743
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: and how pretty much unprecedented his run of pitching and

744
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: hitting is I don't feel like it's getting the staying

745
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: power and the attention that it deserves. Do you agree,

746
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 2: And if you do, why is that? Do you think?

747
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 4: I don't know why it is? I do agree with you.

748
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 4: It's kind of fascinating in that and it hasn't been

749
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 4: a lot of as much, maybe because we're in the

750
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 4: World Series. There's so many in the World Series, there's

751
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 4: so many different storylines, there's so many tentacles to what

752
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 4: goes on over a seven game series that's hard to

753
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 4: focus on the one thing. But man, you know, ever

754
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: since he came into magic baseball, you know, they've been

755
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 4: trying to have been experiment and there's been a couple

756
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 4: of kids come out of college who were supposed to

757
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 4: be good hears and pitchers and they just couldn't reach

758
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 4: the majors. A Tanya has done it. And there's still

759
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 4: no one in the pipeline. We still don't know who

760
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 4: the next Sotani can be. There's no one that's there.

761
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 4: So what he's doing now, it's not just generational, it's

762
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 4: the entire history of baseball that there's not been a

763
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 4: player like him, And just to you, it makes you

764
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 4: sit in your seat because if he's pitching, you get

765
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 4: to watch him pitch, and you get to watch him hit,

766
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 4: and you it's such a fascinating, fascinating draw here. And

767
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 4: someone was asking me, we'll never see another athlete like

768
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 4: this again, and I said, well, Victor Woodmayama is now

769
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 4: bringing the fall up for the spurd. I want to

770
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 4: see where it's just ded with him. But right now

771
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 4: with Otani and the thing that he's doing, he's gonna

772
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 4: go down is He's gonna go down as the greatest

773
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 4: athletes ever. You can be up there with Hank Carry.

774
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: He's gonna be up there with whoever you think is

775
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 4: the greatest NBA player ever regards if it's Jordan, or

776
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 4: if it's or if it's Lebron or wherever. Uh. He's

777
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 4: gonna be up there with whoever you think the great

778
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 4: football Jim Brown or whatever. You know. He's that guy,

779
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 4: He's him. He's on right now. He's actually creating the

780
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 4: Mount Rushboro. Have one faith his because there's no one

781
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 4: else who who is achieving the things the way he's

782
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 4: achieved it.

783
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: No, he's made a mockery of the most recent baseball tradition.

784
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: One of those that I do not at all enjoy,

785
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: and that is, well, we're losing the game by sixteen runs,

786
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: so we're going to save our bullpen, and we're going

787
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: to use every day you know players to finish the

788
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 2: game by pitching the last couple of innings. And nobody

789
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: expects those everyday players to do anything but maybe just

790
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: get an occasional out, maybe give up four runs, but

791
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 2: save the arms. And that reminds us just how absurd

792
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: it is to think that in a game that has

793
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: the best baseball players in the world, the best hitters

794
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: and the best pitchers, that one person could be both

795
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: could be great in both categories. It's my on top

796
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: of it, as you know, in the era of pitching specialization, right,

797
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 2: that this guy can be a dominant pitcher and still

798
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: the best hitter in the ballpark. Not to mention, I'm

799
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: told he's probably the fastest Dodger. Somebody wrote this as well,

800
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: we're seeing something really special and I I don't think

801
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: it's being properly appreciated at all.

802
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then a couple of years ago I wrote

803
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 4: a calm on the Thames player who they were. I

804
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 4: think he was an occasional starter but mostly a chilly player,

805
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 4: but he was trying to pitch and be a reliever

806
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 4: as well, and that didn't pan out. But that's like

807
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 4: the closest you know, triple A, A triple A guy

808
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 4: just trying to extend his career by being a reliever

809
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 4: in addition to being a position player, not not expected

810
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 4: to be a three hundred hitter, not expected to be

811
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 4: a twenty game winner, be able to strike out two

812
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 4: batters every inning, just to survive as a multi positional player,

813
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 4: not someone who can play on an elite level like

814
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 4: Michael Tani. So we got an Enjoyia plays and tell

815
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 4: me why it lasts. This is all entertainment, and he's

816
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 4: great for baseball. He's wonderful for you know, the latest

817
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 4: and many Japanese players who will come over here and

818
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 4: been able to produce. You know, he's one of one.

819
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 4: But it's still tip of a cap for that country

820
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 4: and what it's contributed to baseball as well, because it's

821
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 4: made this ward a lot smaller and it's main things

822
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 4: more fascinating. Well, I got to believe it or not.

823
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 4: I did the column. I went back and looked at

824
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 4: Twins managers and the transitions, how they've gone and the

825
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 4: sound a common thread, the history of familiarity with these hires.

826
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 4: And two, there's always a first year bump when a

827
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 4: when a new Twins manager comes in. Tom Kelly won

828
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 4: Ratarry his first full season, Guardy won the division title.

829
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 4: Even Maler finished with a winning record after the Twins

830
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 4: and bost ninety games four straight years. So there could

831
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 4: be a little bit of bump with Shelton if he

832
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 4: can get he didn't get a winning record out of

833
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 4: this crew. I think we should just give him a sketching,

834
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 4: you know. And then I'm also we're to go for

835
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 4: a game tomorrow against.

836
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: All Right, Well, good luck on both on the especially

837
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 2: Gophers Michigan State. I hope you can make the deadline,

838
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: isn't there isn't this a Sunday deadline like two o'clock.

839
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: I think the game's studn't start till two forty.

840
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 4: Now it's two thirty. I got till seven. Yeah, we'll

841
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 4: get in some way somehow.

842
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 2: Oh that's not that's more liberal than I expected. Thanks

843
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 2: has always had a great weekend.

844
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 4: We're out time for that. That's going to change by

845
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 4: the end of the year.

846
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised. We'll talk next week. Thanks love, thanks

847
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: for having me, Lavelle e Neil the third. This gives

848
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: us a nice stretch of time to review some fascinating

849
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850
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Speaker 2: today on a number of highly controversial subjects. We'll get

851
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Speaker 2: We were chatting earlier about my unscientifically based belief that

863
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: people have lost the thread on adjusting in the darkness

864
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: to another car coming towards them, which back in the

865
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: day obligated said driver who had his bright lights on

866
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: or her bright lights on to flick them off so

867
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: that the car coming in the other direction is not blinded.

868
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,959
Speaker 2: I have found this endless array of examples of people

869
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: who either were oblivious or quite frankly didn't care, And

870
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out what that was all about.

871
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: We got a lot of text on that earlier and

872
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: some people believing, well, the new led lights, those aren't

873
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: the brights, And I'm saying, well, I'm a little more

874
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: careful about that because I am aware of that change.

875
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: These are where the old fashioned two headlights and the

876
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: second one being illuminated indeed does indicate bright lights are on.

877
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: And I got a text that I saved from an individual.

878
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 2: This is via the Let's see what area Coda thinks

879
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: seven to sixty three, saying, Dan, do you remember the

880
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: button on the floorboard for brights? Now, I'm guessing that

881
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: phrase means absolutely nothing to you as a youngster.

882
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 3: Because a button on the floorboards, so you have to

883
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 3: push it with your foot exactly it Once upon a time,

884
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 3: it seems counterintuitive, Well it was. I don't know what's best,

885
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 3: but he's one hundred percent right that once upon a

886
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: time that's how you turn the bright lights on.

887
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: You didn't have anything on the console. There was a

888
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: button on the left hand side, you know, on the

889
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: floor towards the left hand side, that you tapped with

890
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: your foot, your left foot, your left foot. Okay, that

891
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: allowed you to go to Bright's. And it is an

892
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: interesting relic from automotive history that we have somebody in

893
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 2: our audience who's old enough or experienced enough to remember

894
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: exactly that, Yeah, once upon a time, that is how.

895
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 2: And it's actually not that bad of an idea because

896
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 2: your foot is in a spot where then you don't

897
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 2: have to mess with the steering wheel, you don't have

898
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: to mess with any of the buttons, the directional button,

899
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. But yeah, those were the olden days.

900
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: Maybe that act may it made you more conscious of

901
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: what you were doing, and there was a more of

902
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: a willingness and understanding that, oh, yeah, I got to

903
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 2: hit the button again because somebody's coming from the other direction.

904
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to blind them. I want to be

905
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: respectful of the possibility that other people are coming from

906
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: the other direction and it might have difficulties seeing everything

907
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: if I blind them with the so called bright lights.

908
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: A number of other texts on a number of oh

909
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: this is for much earlier. We were talking to Ben

910
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: guestling about the Vikings inability to stop the run and

911
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 2: the Lions obviously being one of the best running teams

912
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: in football with two runners averaging basically five yards or

913
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: more a carry, and I laid out the number of

914
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 2: teams good teams who are among the top teams in

915
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: the league when it comes to yardage allowed per game

916
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: on the ground, and somebody said, well, that can be

917
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 2: a misleading stat because sometimes what that is indicative of

918
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: is that you're ahead. The team you're playing is behind,

919
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: so they even if they want to run or they

920
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: can't because to get back in the game they have

921
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: to throw. There's some truth to that. That can be

922
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: the stat. Yardage stats can be a little bit misleading.

923
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: But if you look up yards per attempt, which is

924
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: a better number, all the teams that we quoted at

925
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: being very good near the top of the list also

926
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: in terms of yardage, were very good also in yards

927
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: per attempt, and that includes I think the Lions are tenth.

928
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: Every team we talked about was top ten, Vikings are

929
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: I don't even think top twenty in that regard as well.

930
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: In fact, let me find the Vikings total, so you

931
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: know the every stat every yardage stat can be a

932
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: little bit misleading depending on team, But on the other hand,

933
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: you could also say, well, if that means one team

934
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: is ahead of that means realistically it's a pretty good team.

935
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 2: And we'll all agree. I think your Packers club is

936
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: up high against the run. Let me see if I

937
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: can find it again. NFL teams yards rushing per attempt allowed.

938
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 2: Let's see what we have here and see what we

939
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: come up with. Via teamerankings dot com. Seattle. One of

940
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: the teams we cited is number one at three point

941
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 2: three yards per attempt allowed. New England excellent season three

942
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: point five. Your club is fourth three point seven. The

943
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers very very good Vikings. Now they're not horrible,

944
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 2: but they're in the middle of the pack. They're sixteenth

945
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: at four point three yards per attempt tied with a

946
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: number of teams there. So you know it most of

947
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: the teams that we were sighting as being very good

948
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: against the rush in terms of yardage. It adds up

949
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: a little bit with what they're doing in terms of

950
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: yards per attempt as well, so it does sort of

951
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 2: follow the Vikings you could say have done a little

952
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 2: better in terms of yards per attempt than yardage. But

953
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: we've seen in certain games, how many games have we

954
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: given up two hundred yards? Rushing is a two, three,

955
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: four too often, and it's happened against really good runners

956
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: like the Atlanta Runner. And then we've we've given it up.

957
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 2: We gave up a bunch of rushing yards this game

958
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 2: most recently, which doesn't bode well against the Detroit Lions.

959
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: The bigger stat in terms of the vikings in and

960
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: in contrasting this defense today from a year ago is

961
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: points per game, right, and last year in terms of yardage,

962
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: we weren't great. We were kind of bend but don't break,

963
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: but we were top five. I think we either tied

964
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: for fifth or were fifth in scoring defense a year ago.

965
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 2: This year we go into Detroit game nineteenth in the

966
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: National Football League, we have slipped dramatically in that regard.

967
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: And it's the Sean Salisbury opinion that he's still more

968
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: bothered by the offense than the defense. And you know,

969
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: the argument can be made that this defense has been

970
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: worn down by an offense that rarely holds onto the ball,

971
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 2: always loses the time of possession, and it eventually you

972
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: break a little bit if you don't feel like you're

973
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: getting the help you need, then you're gonna get a

974
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: little weary of having such a large burden. And I

975
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 2: don't completely rule that out, but I think we've seen

976
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 2: some enough fundamental breakdowns defensively, even from the start of

977
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: the game forward, that to put all this on the

978
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: offense is a mistake. What's the best, you know, helper

979
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: to a struggling defense. The offense holds onto the ball

980
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 2: longer and keeps the ball away from the other team's offense.

981
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: And that has not happened here. We again are the

982
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 2: number of short drives and possessions. We had a bunch

983
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 2: of those again against the Chargers is legendary. And part

984
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: of the reason you could say, well, we didn't run

985
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: enough or we didn't get this established, is we didn't

986
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 2: have enough plays. The only chance to get anything established

987
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: is to have first downs, sustained drives, and you can

988
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 2: then you have a chance to whatever your plan offensively was,

989
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: whatever you wanted to put together, you can get to

990
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 2: it because you have enough plays that give you a

991
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: chance to get to all aspects of whatever your offensive

992
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: game plan might be. We'll pause here, wrap up the program.

993
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: Remind you what you missed from earlier in a very

994
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 2: busy show, and what we will also tell you what

995
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 2: we have coming up next here in the fan. It's

996
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: the Bumper to Bumper show wrap. A standing array of

997
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: guests today, not including notwithstanding Carl Gerschmidt prediction segment at

998
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: three point thirty this afternoon. We also had Ben Gestling

999
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: at four to thirty to help preview Vikings and Lions,

1000
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: and of course Leavelle at five thirty tonight. Is it

1001
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: Vikings X's and O's No, it's got a different name.

1002
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: To minute warning, two minute warning tonight and then I

1003
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: don't know what do we have after that? Is it

1004
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 2: syndicated program pretty much goes pretty much, Yeah, that's exactly it.

1005
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 2: A one hour edition of a Sermons scheduled Sunday, So

1006
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,959
Speaker 2: Packer preview is seven to eight on Sunday, Yes, seven

1007
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: to eight Packer preview. Don't miss it. Viker, I should say,

1008
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: go for football Sunday eight to nine, a one hour

1009
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: edition of Sermons nine to ten, and then Vikings pregame

1010
00:55:52,480 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 2: will start at ten o'clock on Sunday. Texter Nate writes

1011
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: the Vikings are twenty eighth in offensive place per game

1012
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: that's at least a contributing factor to the defensive struggles.

1013
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 2: It's an absolute factor. It's a factor on the offense

1014
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 2: and defense struggling. Quite frankly, that's sort of self explanatory.

1015
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 2: But you got to have you got to be able

1016
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: to string together drives, and in part because that usually

1017
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 2: leads to good things offensively, and also because it does

1018
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: take some of the pressure off of your defense. That's

1019
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: been one of the biggest issues for this team sustaining things,

1020
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 2: which is why I've said earlier, I hope that the

1021
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 2: objective is just holding on to the ball. Doesn't mean

1022
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: you have to get too conservative, doesn't mean you can

1023
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: never try to throw over the top. But I just

1024
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 2: want to see first downs put together. And you know,

1025
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: back in training camp when we see this team said

1026
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 2: a lot of things that haven't come to fruition. That's

1027
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 2: part of what we heard. You know, it's okay to

1028
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: take the short pass, it's okay to just keep a

1029
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: drive alive for four more downs, even if we're not

1030
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,479
Speaker 2: getting thirty two yards in the play. The head coach

1031
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 2: really hasn't adhered to any of that. And the other thing,

1032
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: let's be clear, and this is why we learned the

1033
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 2: hard way again to not put so much stock in

1034
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: what people see in training camp, good or bad. What

1035
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: did we hear the entire training camp? My god, this

1036
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: defense that was good last year, they've got a chance

1037
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: to be historic this year. They're dominating everything in practice,

1038
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: and we're learning the limitations of what that really in

1039
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: the end means, because it didn't mean much of anything.

1040
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 2: You know, maybe part of the reason the defense dominated

1041
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: was the offense wasn't very good. And no doubt, again,

1042
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: the best ally of a good defense is an offense

1043
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: that keeps the other team's offense off the field, so

1044
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: it's a factor. But every aspect of this team is

1045
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 2: going to have to improve as soon as this Sunday

1046
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: to knock off the Lions and give the sense that,

1047
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: like pat Riley says, this club is ready to plant

1048
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 2: its feet and to take a stand. And it may

1049
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: not make sense, it may not be logical, but that's

1050
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: really the only way I think you change the feeling

1051
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: about this team and get people to going, wait a minute,

1052
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: maybe there's something here, Maybe there's something that the Vikings

1053
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: can indeed build on. I'm as curious as anybody. I

1054
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 2: am not optimistic because I think the lions don't care.

1055
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: They're not here to help. They enjoy beating the crap

1056
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 2: out of people, and they're very good at it, and

1057
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 2: they're very efficient at it as well. Thanks for watching today,

1058
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 2: Thank you indeed for a listing, and good luck tonight.

1059
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: It's Halloween night, whether or not conducive, but I hope

1060
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: it works out for it. Be safe, enjoy the candies,

1061
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: and we'll talk to you on Sunday at nine