1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: This is the Mark Mannon Show. Follow me on Twitter 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: at mark mann Next. One more time. Flyer, Suck Flyer, Suck, Flyer, suck. 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: Some breaking news last night at MLB. And you know, 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: I'm not one to say baseball is broken, but it 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: is because now the LA Dodgers signed Kyle Tucker for 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: sixty million dollars per season for four years. A salary 7 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: cap won't necessarily fix the Pirates, but it's absolutely necessary. 8 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: Tucker getting sixty million year. Oh, Tony getting seventy million year. 9 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: That's one hundred and thirty million for two players, two players. 10 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: The Pirates payroll ain't gonna get nowhere near that what 11 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: they're paying two players. It's projected at about ninety five mil. 12 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: But I bet it don't get that high. When the 13 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: dust settles, I want to talk some Penguins, because come on, 14 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: they beat the Flyers. What could be better? Chinnakov scored 15 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: again a dart from Enclose. Three goals in eight games 16 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: as a Penguin, A victory for modern communism. Forget about 17 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: the con artists. Maybe the pinball Wizard pulled one off 18 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: by getting Chinnakov. I mean third in the metro, but 19 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: like I said, less points than both wild cards. But 20 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: here's another zany nuance of the Penguins in the Eastern 21 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: Conference standings. 22 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: They had the. 23 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: Second fewest regulation losses in the Eastern Conference. If them 24 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: some bitches could just do better in overtime and shootouts. 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 2: They might challenge Carolina for first in the Metro. 26 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: By the way, the Flyer stink, New York Rangers stink 27 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: even worse. Eight goals against, ten goals against was the 28 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: Starkin and goal. I thought Mike Sullivan couldn't get fired 29 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: on that long term big deal. I don't think you 30 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: will before the end of the season when shock me 31 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: if he ain't back next year. But they might fire 32 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: Chris Drury the GM in the interim Penguins were sloppy, 33 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: but Braso and Lozatte got goals in tight That Braso 34 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: has some sweet hands in tight. 35 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: Sounds like I'm talking about heated rivalry. 36 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: Like I said, Skinner made a bunch of says when 37 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: it was still three to one. 38 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: He's very positionally signed, like if. 39 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: You get him moving side to side, as a coach 40 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: may have mentioned after the game last night, you can 41 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: beat him, but we didn't. I mean, if you don't, 42 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: you know if he just sets up moving forward at 43 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: the top of the crease, he's pretty good and he's 44 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: pretty big, and sid just choose up the Flyers. He's 45 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: not just the Penguins all time leading score against the Flyers, 46 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: he's number one against the Flyers. 47 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: And league history. 48 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: And he got the absolute backbreak of the five to 49 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: one goal early in the third. We're gonna get to 50 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: the Steeler stuff, but not just the coach, the quarterback two. Also, 51 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: there's one Steeler, Tom and I will talk about this 52 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: in a bit. There's one Steeler who if he's not 53 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: overjoyed that Tom wins out, then he got to be 54 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: pretty dumb. I would think that's obvious, but you'll say no. 55 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: But if he ain't, he's pretty dumb. He's a team player. 56 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: He'd never be mad. Yeah, that's what he says anyway. 57 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: But the quarterback thing, come on, that's more important. Tom 58 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: and I are going to talk about the options at 59 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: quarterback and I were to calumn about that for today's 60 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: trip triplive dot com because they very likely ain't gonna 61 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: draft the franchise quarterback this year. So let's say in 62 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, and who knows how long till that 63 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: time makes an impact. Who knows how long till they 64 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: have him start. If Tommy Maddicks hadn't got hurt in 65 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: Ben's rookie year, Ben Win has started as a rookie 66 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: and won all them games, because that's how the Steelers operate. 67 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: I gotta admit I'm wondered about Malik Willis. That's in 68 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: the column, but there's a lot of obstacles with that. 69 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: Like I said, Tom and I will have a big 70 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: quarterback conversation in just a bit. 71 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: That that Tucker contract. 72 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: Not a lot of hut stove talk on the Old 73 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: Mark Madden Show when it comes to, you know, the 74 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: offseason for baseball, But that Tucker contract. I mean, you 75 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: can't blame the Dodgers. You can't play the Dodgers. They 76 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: got more money than anybody and they're being bullies. That's 77 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: like me at the Strip Club back when well that's 78 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: not true. I didn't have more money than anybody, but 79 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: I had a good eye for how much money it 80 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: took to impress a girl with shall we say, a 81 00:04:55,200 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: certain moral flexibility. But Skens might ultimately get I mean, 82 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: you look at that Tucker deal, sixty mili he might 83 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: get seventy five mil. When it's his turn, he might 84 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: get one hundred mili. He might be the first hundred 85 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: mil per season player. And that Tucker deal makes stars 86 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: and their agents determined to fight against the cap, the 87 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: installation thereof when the CBA expires after this next baseball season. 88 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: If the upshot of this is that baseball misses a 89 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: whole season or several seasons or never plays again, I 90 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: could live with that. But like we know, we know 91 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: the Stars and their agents run every sports union. That 92 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: cap would get more money like it has in every sport. 93 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: A cap gets more money for the whole of the players, 94 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: the entirety of the union, the rank and file, but 95 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: it don't help the Stars and their agents. We also 96 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: got a complete list of who the Steelers are supposed 97 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: to interview, In fact, those interviews start today. So look, 98 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: what is it white smoke or black smoke when they 99 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: elect the new pope? What about when they name a 100 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: new coach? I bet it's black and gold smoke. And 101 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: we got Tim Benson Charlie Betts. So it's quite a 102 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: show today. I like the notes of uh of who 103 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: should be happy on that roster that Tomin's gone there's 104 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: more than one, but there's one guy who should be 105 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: just overjoyed wetting his pants with joy, much like I 106 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: kind of did one five nine the. 107 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: X I heard radio commanded the cream comes to the top. 108 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm just bubbling over you pants for 109 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: you on the air, because I wasn't. Who told you 110 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: the exit? 111 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: Now that Mike de Fabo lit the fire with his 112 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: excellent summation, his recreation of what happened in the Steeler 113 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 1: locker room when Tomlin told him that he was quitting 114 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: a lot of outlets, you're coming out with similar stories 115 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: like Jeremy Foler at ESPN basically rehashed the the Fable 116 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: stories kind of like you know, the Fable Light, kind 117 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: of like the dollar store version of what Mike wrote. 118 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: Work by the Fabo on that story, and it was 119 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: great that he came on yesterday. In the immediate aftermath, 120 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: Ray fait Depoulo the Post Gazette, who does a great job, 121 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: says TJ. Watt was and I quote frustrated as heck 122 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: with what went on with the Steelers. Uh yeah, okay, 123 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: but Steeler fans should be frustrated as heck. The Watt 124 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: was just mah all season, only one game with multiple sacks. Uh, 125 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: Wat should thank the fabo. His brother JJ was on 126 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: Twitter sparred with me a little bit. JJ thought that 127 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: the reaction Watt and uh Rogers crying and Porter hyperventilating. 128 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: JJ thought that should have been kept in the locker room. 129 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: I think TJ. Watt should send a fable with thank 130 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, because that's one of the few times that TJ. 131 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: Watt via crying after tomlin quit looked human instead of 132 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: this meathead gym teacher uh. 133 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: And we shouldn't forget, as the big Olebowski said, strong 134 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: men also cry. Strong men also cry. Ray also says that. 135 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: It's fifty to fifty that Cam Hayward's going to retire Tom. 136 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: Let's start our Steeler discussion there. Cam had an all 137 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: Pro season. I can't I don't expect him to have 138 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: any more. I mean that sounds really crappy for me 139 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: to say, but I mean Cam's old and beat up 140 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: and in a way seemed to be having a great season. 141 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: Like I see him move out there between snaps and 142 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: he looks like he could, you know, just keel over 143 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: any setting. But he got the job done. What should 144 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: Cam want to do? What should the Steelers want Cam 145 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: to do? 146 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: Let's start with the last one. What the Steelers should 147 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 2: want Cam to do? 148 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 3: I think is a really interesting question because his contract 149 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: is really affordable and he was a second team All 150 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 3: Pro last year. 151 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 2: But you put you're right, like, do you think you'll 152 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: hold in again? I don't know about that. That's a 153 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: good question. Third straight year that it would have to be. 154 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I think who's a record. 155 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: Under a new coach too, that'd be something right there. Yeah, 156 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 3: But here's why I think they could use him back. 157 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 3: He's not a leader in the James Farrier or Alan 158 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 3: fanakmul from from back when, but he's the closest thing 159 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: they have to a leader, and with a new coach, 160 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 3: I think you want that influence in. 161 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: The locker room. 162 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 4: Yea. 163 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 3: And if he's going to buy into that new coach, 164 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 3: then that's what you need, is the new coach for sure. 165 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 3: So I see that angle. And he's also their best 166 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: defensive lineman. Still, I agree with you that you can 167 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 3: kind of predict from this point on that he'll drop off. 168 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just natural that he will. But he's 169 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: still their best defensive lineman. Harmon looks like he's going 170 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: to be a pretty good player, but there's value still 171 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 3: to Cam Heyward, so maybe the Steelers should lean towards 172 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: him wanting to come back. I think this would be 173 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: a great exit ram for him though, right, just walk 174 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: off with Mike Tomlin. I mean, second team All Pro 175 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 3: this year, Mark, that probably gets him into Canton and we. 176 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: Really deserve to make first team. Just he shouldn't play 177 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: every game, but he only got three and a half 178 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: sacks that probably held him out. Yeah, and not only 179 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: did that, you know, keep him from getting first team 180 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: All Pro, he'd got nowhere near his contract buses, which 181 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: we certainly hurt him frankly a lot about before. 182 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: Well, no, he never once he got the bonuses. 183 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: He knew when to shut up because they placated him, 184 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: even though it was just kind of an oaky doke. 185 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: Now let's get to the big question, Tom, if there's 186 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: one Steeler, I mean you can name more than one, 187 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: but if there's one Steeler should be happy Tom Win's out. 188 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 2: Who should it be? 189 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: Do you want me to spoil it and guess correctly 190 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: or should I build the suspense and guess like a 191 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 3: runner up? 192 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: Just guess correctly, Tom, We get right to the point 193 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: on this show. That's really no doubt on that. 194 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 195 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: I mean he got put on the no mindless yes 196 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: this past season, and that was an Aaron Rodgers call. 197 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: I have no doubt on that because I don't think 198 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith, who has emphasized the tight end position everywhere 199 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: he's been an offensive coordinator. I don't think he suddenly said, Okay, 200 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: let's let's not not get the ball to Mooth, Let's 201 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: not get the ball to John whu who he brought 202 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: with him here after, you know, super serving him as 203 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: a tight end with targets in two previous stops. It 204 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: was all Aaron Rodgers and no tom Win means no Rogers, 205 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: which means good Friarmouth. I think some of John Who's 206 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: problems were of his own making. I don't think he 207 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: exactly did much out there. Then again, he got about 208 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: his little opportunity is uh Friarmouth. They treated John to 209 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: like a running back could do like that kind of 210 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: yeah tight end jet sweepy stuff, but not much else. 211 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 3: See, you don't think there was a little bit of 212 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 3: a tag team here with Arthur Smith, Art Smith and 213 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers when it came to pat Friarmouth. I think 214 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 3: they were both kind of giving it to him as 215 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 3: far as the doghouse is concerned. I think Rogers didn't 216 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 3: like to use him, and then Smith was with the 217 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: fat Kid, and Arthur Smith indulged that, and. 218 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: So did Tom Loin because it got the jumbo package 219 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: and power football out of there, even though the Steelers 220 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: were as soft as baby crap on both sides of 221 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah, yeah, I mean it wasn't totally Tomlin, 222 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: but certainly he's the overseer, he's the CEO. 223 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: And I think too that John Smith. 224 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 3: It took us a while to figure this out, Mark, 225 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: but he became this year's cordero Patterson putting him in 226 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: the backyard. Arthur Smith just wanted to keep putting him 227 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 3: in the offense at every turn, and even when the 228 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: Fat Kid got out and it was like finally Pat's 229 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 3: going to be free, No, we decided to go with 230 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: Johnny Smith in the playoff game instead. 231 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. 232 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: It just I didn't like the way that all shook 233 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: down for Friarmouth. And I always thought that that the 234 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: fans overrated him a bit. I think that contract the 235 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 1: Steelers gave him overpaid him a bit, but that didn't 236 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: mean he should disappear. I think that hurt the team 237 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: and I don't think it was fair to him. Not 238 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: that that matters much. Now, do you think a new 239 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: coach guarantees that mouth gets put back near the top 240 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: of the totem pole when it comes to offensive game plan? 241 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: Not a guarantee. 242 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 3: But if they hire a defensive minded coach who brings 243 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: in a good OC or they go an offensive mind 244 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: to coach, he's your second best offensive weapon. I think 245 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 3: when you look at who you have at your disposal 246 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: before the draft or before free agency. 247 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: So Tom, here's how he could get screwed a second 248 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: time in a different way. 249 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: What if the coordinator they bring him. 250 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: What if the shieldhouse guy, I mean, how big is 251 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: the tight end in the Rams offense. What if he 252 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 1: just decides he wants to go out and get a 253 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: couple more wide receivers and lean on them. 254 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 3: You still need tight ends in the modern day passing game. 255 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 3: They still utilize them. He could still be a very 256 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: valuable and he's the best tight end they have on 257 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 3: their roster. He's to be the modern day passing game. 258 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 3: He could be a wide receiver. He could line up 259 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 3: in the slot for a guy like shilhas So and 260 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 3: you said that you know it wasn't overpaid for Firemuth. 261 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: I agree with you, they did overpay for him. But 262 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 3: could this be an actual circumstance where they may have 263 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 3: paid for what he's going to do for them instead 264 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 3: of what he has already accomplished. Except we didn't know 265 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 3: that this year because they just put him on the bench. 266 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: Well, I think when the Steelers signed guys the long term, 267 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: big money contracts, the best chance they have to succeed. 268 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: Is by accident. I mean, look at look at the 269 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: Wat deal. 270 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: Uh do you think the fact Kid disappears with with 271 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: the new regime. I think he was just kind of 272 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: something that Rogers and Tomlin in the Jumbo package and 273 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: all that stuff the Steelers pride themselves on with power football, 274 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: And now maybe that's not there for him. 275 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 3: I don't know, because I think the rest of the 276 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 3: league kind of romanticizes that stuff too, and I think 277 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 3: that they kind of like it as well. But what 278 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 3: you were saying about shielhas a guy like that with 279 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: Pat Fryarmouth, like you know, a modern day offense where 280 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 3: you need tight ends to run up the field, like 281 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: Wildebeest's almost that's not Darnel Washington's bag. So maybe if 282 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 3: it's someone like that, he would get taken out of 283 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: the equation. 284 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: What other player or players do you think are happy 285 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: Tomlin's gone. 286 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: I think Roderick Jones is a good runner up. Yeah, 287 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 3: but I think it's too late for him. 288 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: It might I think they screwed him so bad with 289 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: the veteran respect for Dan Moore and right tackle then 290 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: swing tackle, and when he got to left tackle was. 291 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: The third year in and really that's not right. 292 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: They traded up to get him to be the franchise 293 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: left tackle, then put him in a position to fail 294 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: out of respect for Dan Moore because at that moment 295 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: they thought Dan Moore was better, which goes to show 296 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: how they never looked past the next game. 297 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: Never thought about the big picture. And that's okay. 298 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: But like we talked about yesterday that Frank Michael Smith 299 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: that the Steelers social media doesn't work for the Steelers, 300 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: but has a big Steelers social media presence. He pointed 301 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: out that this one of the Steelers' last twelve first 302 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: round picks has got a second contract, and I don't 303 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: think Jones is going to either unless he they'll they'll 304 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: opt out of his fifty and then maybe he try 305 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: to sign him up, you know, at. 306 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: A cheaper deal like they did who they do that 307 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: with Arrell Edmonds? 308 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: But thinks yeah, but but still that doesn't speak well 309 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: of them drafting him or developing Broaderick jokes. 310 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: No, not at all. You might be right. It might 311 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: be too late for him. 312 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: And they did finally make the move to left tackle 313 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: under my Tom, they screwed him, They screwed and just 314 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: dropped them in at left tackle right away. They're screwing 315 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 3: Roman Wilson. They're screwing Caleb Johnson. There's two guys, right, 316 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: they're rookies, but they should be pleased. And honestly, if 317 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 3: you're rookies, right, like you respect Mike Tom because you 318 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 3: hear about the legend of him, but like you've only 319 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 3: been under him for a year, it's like, gim me 320 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: a new coach now, right, Like. 321 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: If I'm especially Roman Wilson, I would have been muttering 322 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: under my breath f you get the f out of 323 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: here while the other guys were crying. 324 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: What would you do with t J. 325 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: Watt at that forty one million dollar deal? Would you 326 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: cut him, trade him. Nobody's gonna want him. 327 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: You don't think anybody will want him, not at that deal. 328 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: Even if you absorb some of that, you might be 329 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: able to suck around. 330 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: I be able to sucker a team that thinks they 331 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: can win if they get him, even if he you 332 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: know that they need him to come in and be 333 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: not the old T J. Watt No, but their second 334 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: best edge guy Detroit with whoever on the other side. 335 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: I would target Detroit. 336 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: I would try to get Detroit to bite on that 337 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: and maybe like a third round pick or something like that. 338 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: And maybe even if you go third round pick or 339 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 3: something light like that, you can get them to take 340 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: on a lot of that money. You probably have to 341 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 3: eat some of it though, and he'd be paired with Hutchinson. 342 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: Hutchinson's obviously the number one. Now that'd be good. 343 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: And it makes sense with high Smith and. 344 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 3: Her Herbig Sawyer. Sawyer is a playmaker. Every time he's 345 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 3: on the field, something happens. 346 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: I think in terms of play per snap, this is blasphemy. 347 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: I think Sawyer did better than walk this year. I 348 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: had seven sacks. That's that's crap. I don't know about that. 349 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: But herbig oh, seven sacks is crap. 350 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't mean that part. I meant about the 351 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 3: Sawyer did better than what. I don't know if I 352 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 3: can meet you there on that one. 353 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: As far as per snap basis, maybe herbig though before 354 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: he started to fade a little bit at the end 355 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: of the year. 356 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: And Herbig gets hurt a lot, high Smith gets hurt 357 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: a lot. No, we don't know that Sawyer is not 358 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: gonna get hurt a lot. 359 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: But boy, it's funny how well he's bigger though, and 360 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 3: Wat gets hurt a lot. I mean, you almost need 361 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: four guys you did this year? Need all four guys. 362 00:16:59,040 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 363 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 3: I was thinking too about throwing herbig in there to 364 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 3: your question about guys who should be happy that Tomlin's gone. 365 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 3: But I think maybe they were managing him correctly the 366 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: entire time, like he might just not be able to 367 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 3: ramp it up enough consistently to stay healthy. 368 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say if they traded Wat to Detroit, 369 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: I would drive him to the airport or even to Detroit. 370 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: But I wouldn't Tom because he had never shut up. 371 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 2: One oh five nine X It's The Woody Show weekday 372 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 2: mornings at six. 373 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 374 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 5: On one O five the x West Ruler here. 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Will tell 383 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: you who exactgated the Steelers have lined up to interview. 384 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: But I think the more important decision is who they 385 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: get to play quarterback because Aaron Rodgers obviously isn't going 386 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: to come back. 387 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: Who would you have to play quarterback next year? 388 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: Because if you don't want to waste the year, then 389 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: you recycle an old guy. The best chance to win now, 390 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,719 Speaker 1: contend now, like Art said, is always the goal, and 391 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: to do that would be dumb. But if they want 392 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: to contend, I mean they're not going to do it 393 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: with Mason Rudolph, who has nothing that you're left on 394 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: this deal. I would start Will Howard, do the Howard 395 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: gambit and start him and lose, and then you know, 396 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: tank for arts draft him in twenty twenty seven, But 397 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: what would you do? 398 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: What do you think they'll do? 399 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 3: Boy, it's really tough to decide what you would do 400 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 3: if you want to look at it through that lens 401 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 3: and believe what Art said that they want to try 402 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: to compete next year because your options just that. 403 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: And I do believe that, because again, that's the way 404 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: Dad did it, the way granddad, well granddad tried, but 405 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: you get the idea. 406 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 3: I mean, your free agency crop is just garbage this year. 407 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones is at the top of it. I'm sure 408 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 3: the Holts will probably go back to him. He just 409 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: tore his acl too. You've got who you were talking 410 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 3: about in your column, Malik Willis. 411 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 2: He's probably other than that. 412 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: That's not recycling, No, it's not. But I would think 413 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: he'd get it'd get a better offer and better opportunity 414 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: with with better players to work with an offense somewhere else. 415 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: And here's why they won't go to Malik Willis, Tom a. 416 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: It's too much like justin fields and that didn't work. 417 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: Although maybe the new coach wouldn't take away Malik's mobility 418 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 1: the way, that's just the way Tom Win just ruined 419 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: justin Fields, never gave him a chance to succeed, made 420 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: him into a game manager. B. You'd need to go 421 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: semi long term to get Willis in pretty big money 422 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: because he's in demand. 423 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: CEE. 424 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: It'd look bad to get the guy that the Steelers 425 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: draft could have drafted instead of Picket in twenty twenty 426 00:19:54,960 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: two and got drafted two runs after Picket. The Steelers 427 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff based on optics and Dean. 428 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: This kind of goes back to something I said earlier. 429 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: Will just wouldn't want to come to Pittsburgh. I don't 430 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: think any quarterbacks gonna want to come to Pittsburgh, not 431 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: right now. 432 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: I mean the new coach. 433 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: I mean if he's a defensive coordinator that don't chase 434 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: quarterbacks away, and he might be a great coach. He might, 435 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: you know, if you get the Shielhas guy as the 436 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Although that'd be a sideways move for him. 437 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: I don't know why he'd do it, but I think 438 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: that's what the Steelers are going to try to do. 439 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: If you made me predict right now what they'll do 440 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: at coach. They'll want Shoe Is the head coach and 441 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: bring Sheehoff wisdom as the coordinator. But but Willis don't 442 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: know what to believe or what to trust coming here, 443 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: so he'll go somewhere else. And honestly, I don't think 444 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: the Steelers would even make a run at him. 445 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 3: Like you can't just assume though that, like these quarterbacks 446 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 3: wouldn't want to come here if they do make the 447 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 3: offensive higher or if they do get a really good 448 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: offensive coordinator higher with whoever the DC. 449 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: I think if you heared a Kubiak and they're interview 450 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: in one Kubiak anyway, that's better than none. 451 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 3: You'd attract these guys or sheelas Is the head would 452 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 3: absolutely no doubt about it. But I also don't know 453 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 3: if Malik Willis is that end all, be all guy 454 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 3: that you want to attract, Like it's not guaranteed. 455 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's the thing. 456 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: If you get him and he's only like a two 457 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: year guy, then you know, whoever you've drafted in twenty 458 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 1: six or twenty seven should be ready to go by 459 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: that because they will not rush probably the first ground 460 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: draft pick. No, they never do that with any first 461 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: ground pick, and they wouldn't have done it with Ben 462 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: at quarterback back when except Maddox got hurts, So, uh would. 463 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: You go through the boy toy? He's available right now 464 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: on the market. 465 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 3: I personally would guess just for the entertainment value the 466 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 3: reclamation project then, and just just. 467 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: For the MILFs in town because he would like to. 468 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: I would bet he would like to. He's none up before. 469 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: But but no, no, I would not want want want 470 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: the boy toy. But but Malik could offer you, at 471 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: worst a bridge to whoever. 472 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 2: The guy you draft is this year or next. 473 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: And what if you draft another Kenny Pickett and Willis 474 00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: does good, then he could be the long term guy. 475 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: My point is you're gonna draft what you think is 476 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: the long term guy. But Willis allows you to headge 477 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: your bet. But at any rate, I just I don't 478 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: see any scenario where he would come here where then 479 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: pay him or he would want to. 480 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: And don't you think Willis, as I think you also 481 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 3: alluded to this, doesn't you think he's gonna want a 482 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 3: little more term than two years? Like he's gonna want 483 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 3: to try to strike while the iron's hot here, like 484 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 3: in a three or four year deal, like he. 485 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 2: Doesn't he might not be sold. He's the bridge. 486 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: He could read that ru I'd give him a three 487 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 1: year deal to keep hit to get him, yeah, and 488 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: then see where the chips fall. Like I said, with 489 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: the guy you draft in twenty six or twenty seven. 490 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 3: And you don't think there's any chance that they go 491 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 3: Rudolph Howard. Maybe draft somebody in the second or third 492 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: round in this really weak quarterback class, but just take 493 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: one that like Bleeds through to the mid round. 494 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: I don't see the point of taking a second or 495 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: third round guy if you're gonna go with Rudolph and 496 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: Howard because at that point just got with Howard, not intentionally, 497 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: but you're well, I don't know. 498 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think Rudolph's ever got a fair chance. Uh. 499 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 2: He got them in the playoffs a couple of. 500 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: Years back, and his reward was, you know, not having 501 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: his contract renew That might be. 502 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 3: Their best option right now as far as like, let's 503 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 3: give it a good try to win. Go with Rudolph 504 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 3: changing the offense too, that's right forget So there's no 505 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,959 Speaker 3: comfort new coach with him coming back in the playbook. 506 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: Now, I wasn't kidding when I said that that, you 507 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: know the what the FEBO came up with the Howard 508 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: gam But where you start him and and the fans 509 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: get behind Howard. 510 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 2: I mean, they'd turn on him sooner or later. 511 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: But then you finish poorly enough to draft arch Man 512 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: and who, by the way, would refuse to come to Pittsburgh. 513 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: He would pull an Uncle Eli and Finnagel's way somewhere else. 514 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: But you know what, that ain't all bad either, because 515 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: if you'll recall, who'd the Chargers get in that deal film. 516 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know that's what I would do. 517 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: And I got to admit, even though I think Will 518 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: Howard is fool's goal that he he flatters to deceive 519 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: because he won the national championship of Ohio State. I 520 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: read a scott And report on him today tom NFL 521 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: dot com. So you can't get more official, right it. 522 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: It's said along the lines of the exact quote is 523 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: in my trip column. It said, looks the part has 524 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: only an OK arm and can't read the chessboard at 525 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: an NFL level, which I thought was was good writing. 526 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: Dicky de Fables Will Howard gambit is hard to argue 527 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 3: off of. You know, the metal stand as the gold 528 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 3: medal winner for the thing that they should do this 529 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 3: season twenty twenty six. It really makes so much sense 530 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: in Mark, I know whar Rudy comes to the podium 531 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 3: and he says, we're always trying to compete, we always 532 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 3: want to win. I don't think I looked away to 533 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 3: see him. Just because he says that doesn't mean they're 534 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 3: going to exactly. 535 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 2: And you could really pull the wool over a lot 536 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: of this fan base's eyes by rolling out Will Howard. 537 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 3: They'll be into it for at least a couple of months. 538 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 3: They believe they'd be pulling the wool over their own eyes. 539 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: That'd be fooling themselves like sticks, you know, not renegade, 540 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 3: but but fooling yourself, and they're pretty good at that. 541 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 3: In this scenario though, they're playing Howard for the gambit though, 542 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 3: so that they do go like three wins, four wins, 543 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 3: so that they then go into the draft and get it. 544 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 3: So they would want to start him and trick the 545 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 3: fan base and being like, oh, we like this Will 546 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 3: Howard kid. He could turn into something and then the fan 547 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 3: will buy into it, and then they'll turn on him, 548 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 3: which is a big key in this around December, because 549 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 3: then you got to dispose of him for the new rookie. 550 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: Bottom line, Tom is they went one in thirteen to 551 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, they got Terry Bradshaw. They went six 552 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: and ten in two thousand and three got Ben Roethlisberger. 553 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: If those seasons don't happen, they have zero Super Bowls. 554 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: And the last time they tried to shoehorn a quarterback 555 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: in in the first round, they got Kenny Pickett. 556 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 2: You know, they always talk about how, oh the Steelers 557 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 2: always hire mid thirties defensive coordinator for their coaches. They 558 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 2: have a pattern, they have a type, right, why don't 559 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: more people? 560 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 3: But you bring that up like that pattern that they 561 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 3: stink for a year and then they get their two 562 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 3: franchise Hall of Fame quarterbacks that delivered them the six 563 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 3: super Bowls. 564 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: Because they're all under the tent. Tom, That's one thing 565 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: I give to Fabo credit for. He's not under the tent, 566 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: and he is right now because that story the best 567 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: Steelers beat right out there, and he's only going to 568 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: get better because now he's figured out Well, actually I 569 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: heard the Steelers were very happy. 570 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 2: With that story. How could they thought it? 571 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: You maybe not? The players in humanize them. They're just 572 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: too dumb to know it. TJ what for sure too dumb. 573 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: Right, they're too gym teacher like. Oh, men don't. 574 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: Cry, they don't understand that. Strong men also cry. Strong 575 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: Men also cry. One O five nine the X. 576 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 4: Tomorrow nights, the Pens take on the Blue Jackets. Game 577 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 4: time is seven. Our coverage starts at six here every 578 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 4: game and the best coverage right here on your home 579 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 4: of the Pens one O five nine d X. 580 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 3: From the one oh five nine the ex Weather Center. 581 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: It's gotta be generally cloudy to me. It's the Mark 582 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: Man Noon for on one O five nine d X. 583 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: Uh. The Steelers look like they're going to let the 584 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: whole coaching staff go. They've all been told they can 585 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: seek other opportunities, and Tom Danny Smith, the special team coach, 586 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: is doing that. He interviewed today with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 587 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: I wish Danny well, I just wonder will they make 588 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: him wear what? A pirate hat, a sword, maybe a hook, 589 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: a hand in a peg leg. 590 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: I wonder what that's gonna entail. He interviewed for a 591 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 2: special teams coach, So I don't I don't think so. 592 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 2: Not mascot like here, No special teams coach there. It's 593 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 2: an upgrade there well, good luck to him anyway, Tom, 594 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 2: what do we got for the trifecta? 595 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 3: I gotta Sid versus the Flyers trifecta. I think it's 596 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 3: worthy of it today. Sid all time for number three 597 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 3: in the trifecta against Philadelphia is fifty one, thirty two 598 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 3: and ten, and he is three and one in playoff 599 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 3: series against the Flyers, which is so sweet sending them package. 600 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 3: I thought it'd be better than fifty one, thirty two 601 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 3: and ten. That is a little bit surprising. But the 602 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 3: three fires stuff, I mean better, Yeah, the three and 603 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 3: one of the playoffs stuff rather exactly. 604 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 2: That's the good stuff right there. 605 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: I remember when they beat us in the playoffs because 606 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: Flowers just fell. 607 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 2: Apart twenty eleven only one. 608 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and remember that idiot in Philadelphia said we 609 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: saw the baton pass from Crosby to Jeru as the 610 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: league's best player. Me while Sid is still a top 611 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: five player in the league and Derus like a third 612 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: line or in Ottawa. 613 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 3: Top five player in the league, top five player of 614 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 3: all time in the league. 615 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, what a terrible take. 616 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: He's realistically still I'm not sure to say top five, 617 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: but I would say top ten and near the top 618 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: of the bottom half of the top ten, like six 619 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: or seven. 620 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 3: Definitely one of the most freezing cult takes of all time. 621 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 3: There number two, though you mentioned this earlier. He's got 622 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 3: the most points against the Flyers of anybody ever. Also 623 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 3: the most goals, most assists too. It's every single major 624 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 3: scoring category he leads against the Flyers. I love that. 625 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 3: But number one. This was pointed out by the great 626 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 3: Bob Grove last night. Sidney Crosby has been held scoreless 627 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 3: just twenty one times against Philadelphia. He has had multipoint 628 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 3: games forty three times. It's more likely he steps on 629 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 3: the ice and gets more than one point than held 630 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 3: scoreless against them. That goal, too, Mark yesterday, did it 631 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 3: look like he held it just a little extra second 632 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 3: just to be like here it comes. 633 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, that's definitely not true because that 634 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: I overheard him complaining afterwards. Somebody said nice goal, and 635 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: he said it was a muffin, which means he like 636 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: hit it soft, mishit it. 637 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: Oh, it didn't look like that on the TV feed. 638 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: It looked like it was great. 639 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 3: It looked like he too is like, hey, guys, look 640 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 3: who's here with the open neetang. 641 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,959 Speaker 1: Any one that goes in especially danced the flyers as 642 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: aok with me. The trifecta brought to us by Danny's 643 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: Peach and Hogies, a family owned and operated since nineteen sixty. 644 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: That's Danny's on Route eighty eight and Bethel Park, and 645 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: the first hour of the show as always, brought to 646 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: us by our good friends at Cendrorovich, Cendrorovich and Fisherman Tom. 647 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: One time in deck hockey, because I was quite a 648 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: player years ago, a genius coached since, but quite a 649 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: player in my ute, and we're playing overtime against the 650 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: team we didn't like. 651 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: Most of the teams we played we didn't like. 652 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: And this kid who was a great player back when 653 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: Scott schaff o' Benny we called him. Who's actually a 654 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: shout out to him because he listens and he's recovering 655 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: from cancer. So good health going out there to Scott Schaffo. 656 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 2: But he was great. 657 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: He got the ball at the point and he beat 658 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: a guy down the right boards to his backhand, then 659 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: cut to the net and the goalie came out and 660 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: challenged him, and he rolled it past the goalie to 661 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: me literally in the blue. 662 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 2: Paint, literally standing with the empty net and I did. 663 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 2: I did. 664 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: Remember when William Mace Hayes got caught stealing at the 665 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: beginning of Major League come on, like I like wanted 666 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: to go in. I said, come on, and I rolled 667 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: it in the net. Everybody on their team hit me 668 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: at once. They had these brothers, the Stannic brothers. I 669 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: got hit by every member of the Stannic family. I 670 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: think I think Moms standing came out of the stands 671 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: and drilled me. 672 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: And you know what, I couldn't blame him. That's pretty good. 673 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 2: I couldn't blame good to hit him with the come 674 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: on come on? 675 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, but but yeah, that that was a great game, 676 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: good crowd. 677 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 2: The crowd was into it. 678 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: Yes, uh, you know, Trevor Segres didn't do buppcus last night. 679 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: But I'm glad that him being a dink has kind 680 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: of restored some of the intensity of the rivalry because 681 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, it not killed the rivalry. That's too strong 682 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: a phraseology, but the rivalry kind of didn't sizzle like 683 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: it did till we got Zegrets because the two teams 684 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: weren't that good for moll. Frankly, I'm not sure how 685 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: good they are this year, although I'm seeing the Penguins 686 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: more and more as a playoff team, and I'm seeing 687 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: the Flyers as not. 688 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 3: Well, the way they're positioned right now in the metro 689 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 3: is very favorable. They're top three already and they have 690 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 3: two games in hand on Washington, who is the team 691 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: in the fourth spot in the metro right now, and 692 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 3: then Philly, of course is in fifth place. They just 693 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 3: beat them. Islanders aren't striking distance for the Penguins. It 694 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 3: also reeks a missed opportunity. Though you talked about this 695 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 3: a little bit earlier, overtime losses, especially the shootout losses, 696 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 3: you'd be right there. Let me tell you if they 697 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: don't sub shill offs out for shootouts, and they missed 698 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 3: the playoffs because of those points lost, because the shootout 699 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 3: deficit in points lost ports points earned is so huge. 700 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 2: Uh. 701 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: I was gonna say that that that falls unmused. But 702 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: no coach switches out the goalie. But but why can't 703 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: a guy in his first NHL season be groundbreaking? 704 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: Maybe that's precisely why. 705 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, I know it takes a lot of courage 706 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 3: to do something like that, But I think you'd be 707 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 3: proven right Like I think you would. 708 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 2: I think Courage is a strong word, Tom. 709 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: I think it takes courage to race into a burning 710 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: olding and save a baby. Here, you're just pissing off 711 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: some lat Vius goalie. 712 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 3: A modicum of courage, yes, and pissing off a Laffean 713 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: goalie in a long, rich tradition of hockey. 714 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: To be fair in an Olympic year, and he is 715 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: laugh Vius goalie. Very true. 716 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: No, why's Latvius goalie? I think he's the only guy 717 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: there with Pats else. Yeah, no one else has bats. 718 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 4: You know. 719 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: I want to get back to a Steeler coaching thing 720 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: because I'm going to talk about the Steeler coaching candidates 721 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: in the next hour. But like I mentioned, I all 722 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 1: the assistants have been told that their employment is up 723 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: to the new coach. Seek opportunities out for if you like, 724 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: with which Danny Smith did today with Tampa Bay, although 725 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: we don't know if he's gonna get that job. And 726 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: that means Cyonora and that's good clean house. I don't 727 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: think they're going to change their philosophy, but I think 728 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna bring in guys who while they may embrace 729 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: the basics of it, like if a defensive coordinator gets 730 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: hired to be the head coach, it's gonna be different ideas, 731 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna be different voice. I think them firing the 732 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: coaching staff does not indicate an organizational reset necessarily, but 733 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: I think it's as close to one as Art's willing to. 734 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 2: Get, you know. 735 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 3: And I think a new head coach coming in is 736 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 3: going to embrace surrounding himself with an established DC that's 737 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 3: really good and established though. 738 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: See that's really good, like depending on what side of 739 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 2: the ball the head coaches. 740 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 3: Right exactly, because I think that you would want that, 741 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 3: because there's not gonna be like this crazy ego coming 742 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 3: into the job where it's like I'm right and everybody 743 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 3: else is wrong. Like I think you're gonna want a 744 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 3: lot job, sure of course, but you are right and 745 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 3: everybody else is wrong. 746 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 2: That's that's well said. 747 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: Now. 748 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 3: I would love I Chris Jula comes in like a 749 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel, you know what I mean, somebody was a 750 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 3: head coach kind of established. 751 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 2: Daniel interview with Cleveland, the interview with somebody as a 752 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: head coach. Yeah, I think he's gonna want a head 753 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 2: coaching gig or wait, did. 754 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: An interview with somebody is I don't know. I gotta 755 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: look that up. Because he's an offensive genius. 756 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 2: He's one of the he would be the top five 757 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, one of them in the league. 758 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, what does hold him back? We 759 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: joke about this. He looked and talks like a geek. 760 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: That holds him back. That I think that probably cost 761 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: him respect in that Miami room. Although to a too, 762 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I know, the concussion thing, that's an excuse, 763 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: but he turned out to be useless. 764 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 3: It looks like the Ravens just completed an interview yesterday 765 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 3: with Mike McDaniel for their head coach position. That running 766 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 3: game with that running game savant, that would be pretty scary. 767 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 2: Well yeah, and you know him utilizing Lamar. 768 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: Yes, we got to quote later a SoundBite rather that 769 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: from Mike Greenberg that Lamar has more power than any 770 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,959 Speaker 1: player in the NFL. I don't know that's necessarily true, 771 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: but he did run Harbaugh out of time and Harball 772 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,760 Speaker 1: was pretty embedded there. But I think any star player 773 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: that wants to flex is more often and not gonna 774 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: win because he sells the merch and the tickets, and 775 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: in Lamar's case, has gotten them not as far as 776 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: had been hoping pretty far. 777 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and the owner pays Harbor a lot 778 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 2: of money, but he pays Lamar a lot more money too, Right, 779 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,479 Speaker 2: He's got a lot more financial commitment tied up with Lamar. 780 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 3: Nobody bought a ticket ever to see John Harben exactly right. 781 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,439 Speaker 3: It's all about the two time MVP Lamar Jackson. So yeah, 782 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 3: it's I get what Greeney's saying, but you're right, like 783 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 3: just anybody in that position is going to be able 784 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 3: to wield a lot of power if they want to. 785 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: Here's my one disclaimer about this whole process, which we're 786 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 1: going to talk about in a second. 787 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 2: Tom. 788 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: It's a leap of faith to do this higher the 789 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: traditional Steelers way. I eat the Rooney way because these 790 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: roonies ain't those roonies, and there's always, not always, not 791 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 1: always going to be a next Cower or a next 792 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: Tom Win. People are assuming, and I think the roonies 793 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: are assuming. But that's a lot to assume. 794 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 3: And the way the league shifted, right because every other 795 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 3: time that you were in the coaching cycle, the league 796 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 3: was still you know, you could play great defense and 797 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 3: run the football and protect the football, and the blueprint worked. 798 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 3: But in between Mike Tomlin getting hired in two thousand 799 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 3: and seven and now this twenty twenty six coaching search, 800 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 3: the league just completely shifted as far as what is important. 801 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 3: It's about scoring and it's about being offensive oriented. And yeah, 802 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 3: there's still defensive minded coaches that are successful for of 803 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 3: the team, still have defensive mind to take coaches, but 804 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 3: they got great offensive minds on their staff. It's it's 805 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 3: gotta be all about that now. 806 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: Well, I really hope that that Art and Danny and 807 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: Omar Khan really do what what Art says and have 808 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: an open mind, because if they're just gonna get like 809 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: if they hire even though I wouldn't mind Chris Shula 810 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: depending on who the offensive coordinator was, and I'd love Shielhas, 811 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: but I think he'd be dumb to make that move. 812 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: I think if he's only going to be a coordinator, 813 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: he should stay in LA. 814 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 2: But it would be a. 815 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 3: Promotion working because he go from passing game coordinator TOC 816 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 3: very marginal promotion. I agree with you McVeigh is the 817 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 3: one you want to learn at defeat there. Yeah, and 818 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 3: then by the way, Mike, Mike get a job as 819 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 3: the OC, and then you just get promoted to OC 820 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 3: in l A and then you get to be the 821 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 3: OC for Sean McVay. 822 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, And while it would not bother me if they 823 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: hired Chris Shula, in fact that if you made me predict, 824 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: who would you predict right now as a higher And 825 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: we have no right to do that because we have 826 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: no idea how these guys are gonna fit like and 827 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: what their interview like. 828 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 2: But who would you. 829 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 3: Say, one of the Rams guys Sheehas or Shula, probably Shula. 830 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 3: I think they're gonna pick from the McVeigh tree, and 831 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 3: I like that tree. I want to pick fruit from 832 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 3: that tree. 833 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: I would pick. I would pick Schula. That's my prediction, 834 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: and I'm okay with it. But then I would just 835 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: presume that not as much as going to change as 836 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: I want. 837 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 3: And then we'd have to see the next domino fall 838 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator higher. That would become a huge higher 839 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 3: than as far as Chris Shula's first move as head 840 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 3: coach of the Steelers, it'd be massive. 841 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: That's tom Almark up next, going to go through all 842 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: the guys the Steelers are going to interview for their 843 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: head coaching job and try and figure it out. But 844 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: but again there's one guy they should be interviewing and 845 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: are not. 846 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 2: That's a keys, but it's Stefanski. 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