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Speaker 1: I'm a Sunday my life.

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Speaker 2: That's all sounds.

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Speaker 1: I like my.

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Speaker 3: Life, Hermantown, The heck of a hockey game, the second

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Speaker 3: of two great games here at the X less phar.

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Speaker 2: Hermantown. Welcome you in Cakes Show edition of Bubberguards again

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Speaker 2: for Barrero today. Brett Blake Moore second of his split shifts.

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Speaker 2: Today he was hanging out with Nordo nine to noon.

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Speaker 2: He's now hanging out with us three to six thirty.

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Speaker 2: Thanks everybody for checking us out. We will give some

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Speaker 2: high school hockey updates as the show goes along, because

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Speaker 2: the Class A has started today at Grand Casino Arena,

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Speaker 2: Saint Cloud Cathedral at Motamedia. Now tied at one.

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Speaker 3: Heck of a hockey game, the second of two great

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Speaker 3: games here at the x.

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Speaker 2: Less far with three minutes to go. I think in

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Speaker 2: the second period. Pat Kessler is going to make his

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Speaker 2: weekly appearance right around five point fifteen. Alec Lewis is

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Speaker 2: going to join us at four thirty and my buddy

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Speaker 2: Jays Frederick to talk wool and other matters. Next segment

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Speaker 2: at three point fifteen. You can hit the bratsch on

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Speaker 2: Brian Kfan text line six four six eight six. You

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Speaker 2: can also tweet me at Guardsey as we are here

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Speaker 2: until six thirty. Brett, there's a guy who is known

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Speaker 2: to have Wisconsin roots. You and I don't see eye

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Speaker 2: to eye very much on things, right, That's correct. We

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Speaker 2: have different perspectives on a lot of different things. We

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Speaker 2: have different interests, We have different opinions on how certain

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Speaker 2: teams are, how they're run. We have different allegiances. Right,

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Speaker 2: we're oil and water at some point, sometimes football mostly

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Speaker 2: when it comes to that, football for sure. And I

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Speaker 2: think the conventional wisdom is I try to make you

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Speaker 2: feel bad about your respective football teams. That's what I

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Speaker 2: should do as a Minnesotan, whether it's because of my

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Speaker 2: and I could make you feel well, let me just

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Speaker 2: ask it this way. How do you feel about your

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Speaker 2: favorite professional football team right now? The Green Bay Packers?

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Speaker 2: Where you are, where you've been, where you're going after

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Speaker 2: just a complete meltdown loss against the Bears right on

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Speaker 2: the playoff loss, yeah, where you were up by like

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Speaker 2: one hundred. Matt Lafleur is completely in his bag. He's dealing.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love looks like your namesake, Brett Favre and the

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Speaker 2: guy that preceded him, Aaron Rodgers, combined into one with

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Speaker 2: Bart Starr mixed into this holy trinity of Green Bay

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Speaker 2: Packer awesomeness. And then you lose to the Bears and

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Speaker 2: you're done and everybody wants Lafleur fired. I heard Packer

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Speaker 2: review that week. It was very fewn no real How

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Speaker 2: are you feeling how many weeks after that? Seven, eight

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Speaker 2: weeks after that about how things are going for your squad?

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Speaker 4: I feel mostly fine and hopeful.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't say I'm optimistic and we're winning the big

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Speaker 5: game this year, but they've got good players, and if

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Speaker 5: Micah can be healthy week one, They've still got a

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Speaker 5: chance to be good. I'd like to see some more

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Speaker 5: cornerbacks at it. But I was never on the fire

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Speaker 5: Lafloor train as much as Sinny was. But I was like,

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Speaker 5: it's something's got to change, and you know, things are

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Speaker 5: moving around and Jeff Affley's gone, which stinks. But for

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Speaker 5: the most part, I'm hopeful, but not over the moon.

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Speaker 5: We're win the beginning. I'll just say this, you should

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Speaker 5: feel so good. You should feel so good.

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Speaker 2: You know why you should feel good because you're not me,

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Speaker 2: because you're not forty three year old Guardsy who is

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Speaker 2: getting back on the quarterback carousel. We played that. You

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Speaker 2: fifteenth time in my life, we're going back to the

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Speaker 2: well because that's what's happening. We've talked about it for

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Speaker 2: a week and a half. Every single time every day

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Speaker 2: Usually the rerun of Get Up is playing on ESPN two.

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Speaker 2: The show's on seven to nine. On the mother Ship,

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Speaker 2: Usually yes, but that's my point. The last ten days,

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Speaker 2: within the first fifteen to twenty minutes on the national

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Speaker 2: sports shows of record, it's all about what the Vikings

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Speaker 2: the sound bites for nine straight days from Indianapolis to today.

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Speaker 2: If I wanted to today, I could inundate the audience

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Speaker 2: with another round of national experts and pundits talking about

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Speaker 2: what the Vikings are going to do. I still might

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Speaker 2: I have a couple in the chamber, but I came

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Speaker 2: what the future is going to look like, and the

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Speaker 2: I believe Kevin Seaford who tweeted this out yesterday, and

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Dan talked about it with them yesterday when

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Speaker 2: he was here or on the show. If Kyler Murray

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Speaker 2: that he's available, what was your favorite nine moment? What

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Speaker 2: not bringing Kyler Murray in to push JJ in training camp.

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Speaker 2: You're just not. And I'd be surprised if you were.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess anything's possible. But I sat there

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Speaker 2: four hours that Murray is going to be released next week.

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Speaker 2: He's already done the emotional Instagram post that's part of

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Speaker 2: that'll happen. That'll happen next week when it's official, when

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Speaker 2: But I feel like we're not making a big enough

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Speaker 2: deal about that. We're back at square one again. I

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Speaker 2: you know, always slower than everybody to fire, everybody, cut everybody,

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Speaker 2: Sam Donald would be exhibit A. A year ago, nobody

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Speaker 2: Donald was going to be hoisted into Lombardi as a

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Speaker 4: Right, You would have made a PSD tournament from any year.

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Speaker 2: he's talking about I feel so good about where we

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Speaker 2: are with JJ. I've seen so much. He's going to

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Speaker 2: be our franchise quarterback. Nothing has done anything to dissuade

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Speaker 2: And now we obviously know that's not the case, and

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Speaker 2: I know they need to win now, and I know

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it feel over for JJ? Which is stunning when

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Speaker 2: you think about it. It's almost a quicker fall than

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Speaker 2: the guy that so many were trying to compare him

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Speaker 2: Ponder stayed healthier now. He had one season where they

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Speaker 2: having to consider, well, what does the Kyler Murray acquisition mean?

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Speaker 2: Does it mean that it's over? Does it mean he's competing?

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Speaker 2: The fact that we have to have these pecking order

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Speaker 2: And maybe it's because I'm wearing the scars of forty

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Speaker 2: three years of Vikings quarterbacking where it doesn't affect me

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Speaker 2: we are back. We are back, and we're comfortable here.

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Speaker 2: If you've been a Vikings fan as long as I have,

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Speaker 2: Guy can be forty years old, like Farva was your namesake,

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Speaker 4: Don't throw me under the bus like that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's true, you tell me, you tell me

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Speaker 2: So I get it. That is probably faint praise, But

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Speaker 2: in case you were down today for whatever the reason

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Speaker 2: about how things ended for you. Yeah, with another empty season,

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Speaker 2: losing to the Bears, who's a big rival. Obviously you

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you do. But it's just amazing because, by

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Speaker 2: the way, I'm all in on Kyler Murray. Really I

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Speaker 2: think why not? Why not? Because clearly they're out on JJ,

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Speaker 2: and say, keep working. We'll keep working with the JJ,

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Speaker 2: We'll keep you going. There's some stuff I want to

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Speaker 2: talk to about Alec Lewis that he's written about just

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Speaker 2: the overall handling of being the franchise quarterback, that the

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Speaker 2: to know more about that because that is troubling, like

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Speaker 2: just the emotional stuff, the face of the franchise stuff,

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Speaker 2: down the last twelve to eighteen hours, which is un

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Speaker 2: like you usually I'm glass half full.

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Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards, you're good because he was unbelievable again last night,

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Speaker 2: welcome back Guards here. Cake Show edition Bumper to Bumper

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Speaker 2: a four to thirty Pat Kessler in the five o'clock

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Speaker 2: hour Now in the Connectico Water Systems Hotline. Our buddy

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Speaker 2: You watched them beat the Memphis Grizzlies last night one

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Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards had fourty one points last night. Jase, how

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Speaker 6: Hey, Guards, I agree, but I'm doing great, man, how

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Speaker 2: I'm doing all right. The Wolves seem to be doing okay.

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Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards even said last night it's the most funn

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Will it last? I don't know. There will be

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Speaker 2: What have you made of the push pull between Ant

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Speaker 2: When they snap themselves out of it, which they I

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Speaker 6: like take more pride in your individual like locking down

431
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Speaker 6: your guy in the game plan defensively, and you add

432
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Speaker 6: the bodies and the personnel to do that, and it's

433
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Speaker 6: moved the ball a little bit more offensively, a little

434
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Speaker 6: bit sharper, and you get out in transition. Like when

435
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Speaker 6: they do these things, when they play our defensively and

436
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Speaker 6: they get out in transition, they're really hard to be.

437
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Speaker 6: They just get in points where they just don't do that.

438
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Speaker 6: There's guys just kind of letting guys bull buy them

439
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Speaker 6: on the perimeter. There's guys just not paying attention on

440
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Speaker 6: closeouts and where they should help and being the low

441
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Speaker 6: man at the rim, and now the other team's scoring,

442
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Speaker 6: and now so now you're not getting out in transition,

443
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Speaker 6: you're playing a lot of half court off So they're

444
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Speaker 6: not terrible, but it's just it's not the same where

445
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Speaker 6: you truly separate yourself as a team against your opponent.

446
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Speaker 6: But the Wolves are more talented than a lot of teams,

447
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Speaker 6: and they know their formula to win, So it's like,

448
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Speaker 6: when can you decide to do that formula to win games?

449
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Speaker 6: And there are certain times where they clearly decide to

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Speaker 6: do it and curtain stretches where they decide to do it,

451
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Speaker 6: And it's that's why I think it's frustrating for a

452
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Speaker 6: lot of people when they don't because it is almost

453
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Speaker 6: like a snap your fingers thing because the things they're

454
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Speaker 6: asked to do aren't like superhuman For them to be

455
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Speaker 6: a really good team, it's just walking down and saying, oh, yeah, okay, yeah,

456
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Speaker 6: I guess we can walk in defensively here and let

457
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Speaker 6: everything kind of roll downhill from there.

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Speaker 2: Well, it felt like last night was a great example,

459
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Speaker 2: like everyone's going to look at the forty one points

460
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Speaker 2: for Ant and that stretch he had in the second

461
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Speaker 2: half where he basically just closed it out, even though

462
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Speaker 2: the Memphis was shooting well and scoring and the Wolves

463
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Speaker 2: were down ten pretty much the entire first half, Aunt

464
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Speaker 2: looked like to me, he was trying to set the

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Speaker 2: right tone. He scored early, he was getting rebounds, he

466
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Speaker 2: was defending I thought at a pretty high level. He

467
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Speaker 2: matched his I think he's one off his career high

468
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Speaker 2: in steals with five last night. He's he really can be.

469
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Speaker 2: We ask a lot of them, obviously, but he's he

470
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Speaker 2: does set a tone all by himself sometimes on.

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Speaker 6: That end, No, yeah, And I think that's where, like

472
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Speaker 6: Chris Finch has always said he can be the best

473
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Speaker 6: two way player in the NBA, and I totally agree

474
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Speaker 6: with that. I mean, we've seen enough times where I

475
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Speaker 6: would just pointing back to Game three of the West

476
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Speaker 6: Finals where a Misslota Blue Auto Colombasity. Correct, he was

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Speaker 6: that player in the first quarter of that game, like

478
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Speaker 6: he was just blowing up everything. Okay, so he did

479
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Speaker 6: and getting these steals that led the transition dunks for

480
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Speaker 6: himself for his teammates, and and it's that is like,

481
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Speaker 6: oh wow, this team is looks unbeatable in those moments,

482
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Speaker 6: and so that's kind of the balance of like, yeah,

483
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Speaker 6: he's asked to do a lot offensively, but frankly, he

484
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Speaker 6: asked himself to do a lot Like they would prefer

485
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Speaker 6: sometimes for him to do less than he's asking of

486
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Speaker 6: himself on that end and get more the other way,

487
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Speaker 6: and like be the best two way player. Don't don't

488
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Speaker 6: leave the NBA in scoring, the tenth in scoring, and

489
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Speaker 6: be the best defense. It's a player, you know. That's

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Speaker 6: That's what I think they would love to find a

491
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Speaker 6: balance of. And I think there's a lot of times

492
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Speaker 6: where he gets closer to that in the playoffs. It's

493
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Speaker 6: just maybe not as fun for him to do in

494
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Speaker 6: the regular season. But I agree with you last night,

495
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Speaker 6: and there I've been more times recently where that defensive

496
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Speaker 6: effort has at least been pushed up to like an eight.

497
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Speaker 6: And that's a pretty good, like regular season spot for

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Speaker 6: it to be in.

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Speaker 2: Jace Frederick from the Pioneer Press. He's on the Connectico

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Speaker 2: Water Systems Hotline. Our first guest on the uglydeck dot com.

501
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Speaker 2: Guests line up. Alec Lewis about an hour from now.

502
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Speaker 2: Pat Kesselro will make his regular Wednesday appearance guards Thean

503
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Speaker 2: for Barrero today Dan, We'll be back tomorrow and Friday.

504
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Speaker 2: As a guy who's in the building pretty much every

505
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Speaker 2: night and covers the team pretty much every night. Are

506
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Speaker 2: we on the outside too hard on the Wolves in

507
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Speaker 2: general for their ups and their downs and kind of

508
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Speaker 2: where they are. You look up and it feels like

509
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Speaker 2: I always look at Finch and it looks like I

510
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Speaker 2: joked probably with you when they did that two game

511
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Speaker 2: stretch in New Orleans. Who's not a good team? You know,

512
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Speaker 2: Finchy looked like you wanted to get on one of

513
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Speaker 2: those Mississippi river boats and just ride off into the

514
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Speaker 2: Gulf of Mexico and just say I'm done. The team

515
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Speaker 2: looked like they were having the time of their lives.

516
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Speaker 2: But you look up in their a top four seed,

517
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Speaker 2: their percentage points away from Houston. You know he's got

518
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Speaker 2: Kevin duranton has been good. And every team in the

519
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Speaker 2: NBA right now in their last ten is you know,

520
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Speaker 2: five and five, five and five, four and six, six

521
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Speaker 2: and four. San Antonio obviously in Oklahoma City have separated.

522
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Speaker 2: But it's kind of a long wind up to ask,

523
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Speaker 2: like you're in the belly of the beast, are we

524
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Speaker 2: on the outside expecting too much? For this consistency or

525
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Speaker 2: should we or are we right to say, you know what,

526
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Speaker 2: this team does have more than they've shown, even though

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Speaker 2: they are obviously in a great position.

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Speaker 6: No, I think I think fans are right to be

529
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Speaker 6: frustrated at the various points throughout this season. Like they

530
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Speaker 6: are right where they are. They've also been healthier than

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Speaker 6: every team around them. Good point, there's just good point.

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Speaker 6: There's no denying that. I think there's like a last

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Speaker 6: week'sout an estimated wins loss from guys missing this year,

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Speaker 6: and the Wolves worth thirtieth, Like they had the least

535
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Speaker 6: amount of games that they haven't won because of injury

536
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Speaker 6: or when probably were taken away because they were missing guys.

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Speaker 6: They've had maybe like seventeen games total missed from their

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Speaker 6: top six this year. I mean that's a crazy number

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Speaker 6: when you consider like Wemby alone, who's been relatively healthy

540
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Speaker 6: this year, has missed like fifteen games. It's crazy health.

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Speaker 6: And that's why it's like, Okay, if you have a

542
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Speaker 6: year like this where other teams are injured, you're healthy.

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Speaker 6: Even Houston, like they haven't had Fred van Bliet the

544
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Speaker 6: whole season, and they're not going to that's just their reality,

545
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Speaker 6: but they're missing one of their top probably like four guys,

546
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Speaker 6: and that's where it's like, Okay, this would be a

547
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Speaker 6: year where you could maybe position yourself like they did

548
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Speaker 6: a couple of years ago as like a fifty six

549
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Speaker 6: whatever win team and give yourself the best playoff path.

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Speaker 6: Now they can still give themselves a really nice one,

551
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Speaker 6: But there have been times throughout the season where it's like,

552
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Speaker 6: what are they doing right now? Where is the attention

553
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Speaker 6: to detail, the urgency all of it? Where you find yourself, Hey,

554
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Speaker 6: why are you in a group with these like four

555
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Speaker 6: teams that have all been more injured and have more

556
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Speaker 6: valid reasons for their existency than you have. So I

557
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Speaker 6: think that's where like a lot of finches, you know,

558
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Speaker 6: hair pulling and all of this comes out. But you know,

559
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Speaker 6: John Krazinskin always had this talk of a walk out

560
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Speaker 6: of the arena and be like, yeah, he's a bad loss,

561
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Speaker 6: but it just doesn't matter, you know, like, because they're

562
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Speaker 6: still in this spot, they could still get to hear

563
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Speaker 6: And I truly believe whether you're the three seed, whether

564
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Speaker 6: you're the six, the four of the five, I just

565
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Speaker 6: don't really think it matters that much because they have

566
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Speaker 6: a top gear they know they can kind of rely

567
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Speaker 6: on or try to get to. And I do think

568
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Speaker 6: they'll play well in the playoffs. Exactly what that means,

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Speaker 6: I don't know, but in my mind it'd be like

570
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Speaker 6: whatever is not Denver in the first round, assuming it's

571
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Speaker 6: a healthy Denver, I wouldn't really care if you're four

572
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Speaker 6: or three or six or whatever. If six meant you

573
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Speaker 6: played the Lakers in the first round, then you probably

574
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Speaker 6: want six. So, like you don't know where the other

575
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Speaker 6: teams are gonna end up right now, you're obviously gonna

576
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Speaker 6: chase wins. But I think it's okay to be pressured

577
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Speaker 6: with them, and I think it's also kay to zoom

578
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Speaker 6: out and go. Yeah, probably got two worked up about

579
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Speaker 6: it at the time. I think those are both probably true.

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Speaker 2: So you had to comment a few months ago, maybe

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Speaker 2: on the day Moore podcast, And I'm crediting the day

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Speaker 2: More podcast for this, Dane. If you're listening, I'm giving

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Speaker 2: you credit Day Moore podcast aailable wherever you get your

584
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Speaker 2: favorite podcast. I saw him last well last night. I

585
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Speaker 2: asked for permission. When I saw him, I said, do

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Speaker 2: I have permission to use your videos? And I was

587
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Speaker 2: actually going to send some videos to him and say

588
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Speaker 2: that he did not get permission. People can follow at

589
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Speaker 2: Dane Moore NBA if they're wondering what the heck Jason

590
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Speaker 2: and I are talking about. But you mentioned the comment,

591
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure the Wolves this is probably one of

592
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Speaker 2: those stretches where they were going through it a little bit.

593
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Speaker 2: You mentioned, and I think it's in the stude observation

594
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Speaker 2: that they are not a player led group. And I

595
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Speaker 2: was just with Don Plitzelight earlier today. She had a

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Speaker 2: media scrum and she talked about the importance of being

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Speaker 2: player led, and that's something PJ talks about. Every coach

598
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Speaker 2: I've ever talked to says a great team is often

599
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Speaker 2: player led. The coaches don't have to do much. You

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Speaker 2: mentioned to Dane that they're not player led, and I

601
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Speaker 2: think it's a smart observation and it's at the same

602
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Speaker 2: time kind of a frustrating one because they can be

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Speaker 2: We just talked about the way Aunt can set the

604
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Speaker 2: tone pretty much on any given night. But do you

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Speaker 2: see it path forward where at some point they can

606
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Speaker 2: be that player led to team that maybe is a little

607
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: bit more consistent as they go through shoot Even as

608
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Speaker 2: recently as two years ago when they were the number

609
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Speaker 2: one seed in the West for much of the year

610
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Speaker 2: until the end.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it'll be interesting because it's an interesting core. Like

612
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Speaker 6: if you look at at the heart of their core

613
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Speaker 6: moving forward now and in the future, is Aunt, Jade

614
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Speaker 6: McDaniel's nas reed. Like, unless there's some rosters shake up,

615
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Speaker 6: those guys are kind of the core of your team

616
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Speaker 6: that you see them moving forward with for the next

617
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Speaker 6: you know, foreseeable three, four or five years or whatever.

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Speaker 6: And those guys are all good players. They're friends with

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Speaker 6: a lot of people on the team. They're fun to

620
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Speaker 6: be around, and like a lot of times they set

621
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Speaker 6: great work ethic examples, all that stuff, you know, like

622
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Speaker 6: getting in their work, improving every summer a other stuff.

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Speaker 6: But they're just not the most like vocal, Hey guys,

624
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Speaker 6: what is this, We need to do this and this

625
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Speaker 6: if we want to reach these goals that kind of stuff.

626
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Speaker 6: Aunt is slowly taking that on, But Jade and Not

627
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Speaker 6: aren't necessarily those people, at least not right now in

628
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Speaker 6: their careers. So somebody's like, usually one of your better

629
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Speaker 6: players has to take that on. It Woul certainly probably

630
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Speaker 6: have to be ant, but for that to be the case.

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Speaker 6: You know, he would also probably have to have a

632
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Speaker 6: more consistent approach in the regular season and defensively whatnot,

633
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Speaker 6: where it's like, okay, he is at least pretty locked

634
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Speaker 6: into what we're doing here and keeping himself accountable and

635
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Speaker 6: everyone else. And I think he does a really good

636
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Speaker 6: job of that, like come playoff time and this this

637
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Speaker 6: final third of the season. But it will take consistency

638
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Speaker 6: on his end, because I do think he's the one

639
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Speaker 6: with the voice, the confidence, and the stature to turn

640
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Speaker 6: into that person. And I think when he does, that's

641
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Speaker 6: when he will be. Like the Wolves are really taking

642
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Speaker 6: off to where they're consistently top one, two, three seeds,

643
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Speaker 6: and he's recognized in an even different light where he's

644
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 6: at right now, which is just a really fun superstar

645
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 6: to watch with somebody that you're actually talking about for

646
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 6: like the highest awards honors, top three player in the NBA,

647
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 6: that kind of stuff. So right now, like they have

648
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 6: veterans that are also kind of quiet, Mike's little quieter,

649
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 6: joining us, a little quieter. Kyle Anderson is actually a

650
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 6: little bit more vocal. He just got here. Yeah, So

651
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 6: that often does still fall on Chris Pinch.

652
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: So let's talk about Kyle. We're seventeen minutes into the

653
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: conversation and I know you really only agreed to come

654
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: on if we could talk about your guy SloMo coming back,

655
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: the first timber Wolf to have three different numbers, which

656
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's he's very proud of what dude, FINCHI

657
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: even mentioned it yesterday said, I'm playing him right now.

658
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: He's ready to go, let's go, and you know he's

659
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: it does It is funny how it just feels like

660
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 2: he never really left because he's, you know, the shots

661
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: the same, the vibe is the same. But what how

662
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: vital of a piece can he be at this point?

663
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: Is a guy who was pretty important the last time around,

664
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: I think a pretty.

665
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 6: Big one, justin that he is really a defensive solidifier

666
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 6: and that that's a guy who is constantly knowing what

667
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 6: the game plan is and the scouting report and oh, hey,

668
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 6: you're in this matchup. We need to pre switch you

669
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 6: out of this so we don't end up over here

670
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 6: directing traffic, especially defensively, but also a little bit offensively.

671
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 6: The shirt set of hands is Chris Finch likes to

672
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 6: talk about with guys that he knows he can trust

673
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 6: to have the ball in hands, So I really like

674
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 6: what he does. Defensively, He can kind of guard anybody,

675
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 6: like last night he was guarding three, so he can

676
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 6: also guard five. He's been a good Nicola Jokic option

677
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 6: defensively in the past, probably the best second option they

678
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 6: can have right now behind Rudy. Given this current roster,

679
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 6: I think he's a pretty big addition. I think that

680
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 6: he'll play a pretty big role. Certainly, there might be

681
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 6: a playoff matchup where you're like, yeah, it just doesn't

682
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 6: quite fit. But I think he's a really nice option,

683
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 6: a tool to have in the belt, and I think

684
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 6: you'll see a lot of him here down the stretch

685
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 6: and offensively, Like guys aren't even shy about it, like

686
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 6: Rudy talked about and I know raised some eyebrows when

687
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 6: they're like, hey, what did you miss from Kyle these

688
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 6: last two years, And he said, somebody who passes the

689
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 6: ball to his teammates. But then even and after the game,

690
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 6: it's like, yeah, we need somebody who doesn't want to score.

691
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 6: You have a lot of guys who want to score.

692
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 6: Me Jayden now as Julius like we all want to

693
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 6: put the ball in the bucket. We're all good at it,

694
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 6: So it's great to have somebody who isn't prioritizing that

695
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 6: and is when he's out there, focusing on ways to

696
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 6: set other people up to do what they want to do.

697
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 6: So I think Mike Conley's played a lot of that stuff,

698
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 6: but he just the body isn't there anymore, and Kyle

699
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 6: can kind of come in and take a lot of

700
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 6: that burden on and backup point guard stuff and whatever

701
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 6: the case may be. Love being a versatile defender. Like

702
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 6: he doesn't fit on a lot of teams, he really

703
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 6: fits on this one pretty well. On the coach trusts

704
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 6: him and that's why he's here, Like he chose this

705
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 6: place over Denver, which obviously would have a lot of

706
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 6: opportunity there as well, because he knows the fit here

707
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 6: is good and the players know that. And you saw

708
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 6: it a little bit last night of like, yeah, it

709
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 6: just makes sense on this roster rounds a lot of

710
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 6: stuff up.

711
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure by the way he missed Rudy on

712
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: the first roll when he got the ball, did you

713
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: notice that, I'm sure you were looking for it. Go

714
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: back and look. I'm pretty sure Rudy was open and

715
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: he just couldn't pull the trigger and give it to him,

716
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: so exactly.

717
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 6: I only remember the one where he threw one in it.

718
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 6: I don't even think it was a great lot, but

719
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 6: a final was called, so it was like all was forgiven.

720
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, he will look for him. I final a

721
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: couple of minutes with Jace Frederick Pining your Press joining

722
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: talking Timberwolves on the Connecticut Water Systems hotline. Wolves win

723
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: last night, They've won four in a row. They've got

724
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: Toronto tomorrow night, a game you can hear right here

725
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: on the fan. Brought it out to the Western Conference.

726
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: We mentioned Oklahoma City and San Antonio are a little

727
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: bit above pretty much everybody. They're clear, their spots seems set.

728
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: Do you think is it still Oklahoma City or you know,

729
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: the field basically as you handicapped the Western Conference, or

730
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: is some of these other teams done enough to think

731
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: they can they can take down a team that was

732
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: pretty unstoppable a year ago at times.

733
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean it is important to note that two

734
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 6: of ok series went seven, so it wasn't just not

735
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 6: the one here, No, not the one here. But I

736
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 6: would say if they won game four, it would have

737
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 6: went seven probably and that was, you know, a two

738
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 6: point game or whatever at the end. And I know,

739
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 6: you know, one close game here that you can say

740
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 6: that about any series. But they did struggle on the

741
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 6: road generally in the playoffs last year, and so I

742
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 6: don't know how much head and shoulders above the field

743
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 6: they were. It wasn't like a Warriors thing with like

744
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 6: Katie and Steph or like, all right, nobody's seating that team.

745
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 6: But it's hard to handicap this field because I'm not

746
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 6: sure who's going to be healthy. It's always well that

747
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 6: will be healthy eventually, that team will be healthy eventually.

748
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 6: But okay, see he's still down. You know, two of

749
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 6: their top six seven guys right now in aj Mitchellan

750
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 6: and Jalen Williams in Denver. Obviously Aaron Gordon and Peyton

751
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 6: Watson are out near and plans to come back, maybe

752
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 6: even this week. But hamstrings are pretty fickle, and he's

753
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 6: reaggurate aggravated it a few times. So I would rather

754
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 6: be the team that is healthy already than the teams

755
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 6: that are planning to get healthy and assuming that everything's

756
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 6: gonna work well there, if healthy see his full strength,

757
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 6: I would pick them. I do think just what they

758
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 6: have now, the experience, and the guys have had to

759
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 6: take on bigger roles this year when other guys have

760
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 6: been out. I think that'll make them a little bit

761
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 6: more sure and like the jumpers they have to hit

762
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 6: around Shay stuff like that. But san Antonio is right there.

763
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 6: I think the Wolves can make a maybe even a

764
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 6: better push this time around, a better effort. Denver is

765
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 6: just as good as literally anybody if they're actually all

766
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 6: the way healthy. Aaron Gordon is their second most important players,

767
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 6: like if he's out there, Denver's also right there. So

768
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 6: I think this Winster Conference playoffs, if everybody's healthy, could

769
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 6: be phenomenal this year, especially from the semifinals on. But again,

770
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 6: it's just that's been the case all Season's been. The

771
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 6: story of the season is so rarely are teams at

772
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 6: one hundred percent that we don't really have a great

773
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 6: barometer to gauge anybody right now.

774
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: How scary do you think the Wembin Yama Spurs are

775
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: for not only this year but for the next you know,

776
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: five to ten, as well as France coming here when

777
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: the Olympics are in Los Angeles to ruin the party

778
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 2: and possibly take the gold medal. So I think it's

779
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: some pretty scary stuff, Jase, that Wemby's doing right now.

780
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 6: He is he is like the things when in his

781
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 6: best games, it's like, well, there is no solutions. I

782
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 6: don't know what you would do here. The wold option

783
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 6: for Men's is like, well, we can push him the most,

784
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 6: you know, like to try to get him away as

785
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 6: far in from the hoop as physically possible, and then

786
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 6: he still will just like bury a twenty, which that

787
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 6: you thought was tough, but for him, everything's wide open.

788
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 6: It's it's scary. I don't know if this year, I

789
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 6: don't know if there's enough seasoning on those guys to

790
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 6: be able to count up in the consistently knock down

791
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 6: enough shots when they need it outside of him to

792
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 6: get through four rounds, because that is a really tough

793
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 6: seat and this is their first go at it. I

794
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 6: don't know if I love them or have a lot

795
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 6: of faith in them making it all the way through

796
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 6: the West. But Man France, like still though, America is

797
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 6: going to be the favorites, right like, because even if

798
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 6: you have Wemby and you have a decent amount of

799
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 6: other players, like America is still on one country going

800
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 6: to have what eight of the top fifteen players in

801
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 6: the pool on their team, Like I still can't. I

802
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 6: still can't imagine. I think it would be a failure

803
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 6: if they didn't win anyway. Like it's I've always said, hey,

804
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 6: we have twelve guys. They're twelve at the top, like

805
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 6: twenty four in the world. Play all of them, high

806
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 6: pressure defense, run the court up and down, and I

807
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 6: still think you win every game by twenty Will they

808
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 6: do that? Probably not, But there's no reason still from

809
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 6: a talent perspective that everybody should catch up. I strongly

810
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 6: believe that.

811
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: Last thing. The other thing I love about Wemby is

812
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: that he is not here for a Oklahoma City coronation.

813
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: I love the ethical basketball stuff. I love the fact

814
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: that he goes right at him And I'm curious, have

815
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: you seen a shift in just like the overall vibe

816
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: around Oklahoma City coming along more to the torture Timberwolves

817
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: fan of me about you know how they're officiated, the

818
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 2: care finch. You know they're impossible to play. You know,

819
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: Fincher gets tossed and I think their first game here,

820
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: maybe their second game here, within the first couple of

821
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: minutes have you seen more of like a league wide

822
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, conversation that yeah, well Finchy was talking

823
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: about that that's actually true or is that just wishful

824
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: thinking from a Minnesota Rube like me.

825
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess I do think that sometimes when

826
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 6: I watch I feel like Chase Whistle hasn't been the

827
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 6: exact same this year. He was out for a little while,

828
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 6: but I think he's come back. I don't think he's

829
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 6: gotten the same number of calls. He certainly, I think

830
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 6: has said some times where he's like, that wasn't a

831
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 6: foul and they're going deck down the other way. But

832
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 6: we see that for a lot of players on every

833
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 6: single team. Sure, so I think maybe there's a little

834
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 6: bit less there. I just I'm curious because you know,

835
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 6: like in the playoffs, the whistle does loosen so like

836
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 6: it tends to favor the more physical team, whoever that is.

837
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 6: And if, okay, he is again the more physical ones,

838
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 6: maybe they'll call a few more. But it has for

839
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 6: years now. Ben, whoever is the more physical team, even

840
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 6: if they're pushing it right up to that line, is

841
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 6: the team that gets the benefit of the whistle. And

842
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 6: I always say this two years. That was the Minnesota Timberwolves,

843
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 6: right and in Denver, Like Denver was like, where are

844
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 6: foul calls? As they're just dying every possession as Jamal

845
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 6: Murray threw.

846
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 2: A heating pack. I mean Jamal Murray through a heating pack.

847
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: That's how bitter he.

848
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 6: Was, exactly because they were feeling like they were getting

849
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 6: foiled and they weren't being called. But Minnesota was the

850
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 6: more physical team, so it got the benefit of the whistle,

851
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 6: you know, like, and I think I saw a lot

852
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 6: of that from Okay See last year, and it is like,

853
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 6: it's not I don't think you're gonna be able to

854
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 6: complain your way out of it. I really think it's

855
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 6: going to be like can you meet can you go

856
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 6: match them? And I like the one game Minnesota won

857
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 6: in the West Finals, they were the more physical team.

858
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 6: They were the ones who were hitting first. So I

859
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 6: don't know how much the whistle will change in the playoffs.

860
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 6: Shane might get less calls. I think maybe that's possible,

861
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 6: but I bet defensively you're not going to be bailed

862
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 6: out even by correct calls or whatever. I think you're

863
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 6: going to have to go meet them with force. And

864
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 6: I didn't play the roles. Learn that lesson because they

865
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 6: didn't do that numerous times in the West Finals last year.

866
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: You are the best man. Thanks as always for joining

867
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: and jumping in whenever I'm hosting in here. Love talking

868
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: basketball with you. We'll see at Target Center and enjoy

869
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 2: the week at Target Center right at. Two more games

870
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: coming up Thursday and Saturday, so we'll keep reading at

871
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: Twin Cities dot com. Thank you, buddy.

872
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, I appreciate it. Guard, It's fun.

873
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: Man. That is Jace Frederick from the Pioneer Press. You

874
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: can follow him at Jace Frederick on x and read

875
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: his stuff at the Pioneer Press and Twin Cities dot Com.

876
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: When we come back, something happened in college sports yesterday.

877
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: It's actually a government bit that's hilarious and it ties

878
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: in to a very special and ominous Minnesota anniversary from

879
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: I think fifty years ago, which is pretty crazy to

880
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: think about how fast things have changed. I'm gonna give

881
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: you those details before we get back to some Vikings

882
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: discussion in the four o'clock hour and Alec lewis at

883
00:40:38,880 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 2: fourth there. All right, welcome back, Guardsian for Barrero Today.

884
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: Cake Show Edition A bumper to bumper. Alec Lewis will

885
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: join at four point thirty. Pat Kessler will join probably

886
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: around five point fifteen. He usually gets in here pretty early.

887
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: We jump in and I let him come in at

888
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: five point fifteen when I when I'm in this big chair.

889
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 2: But the good stuff from jas Frederick love talking wolves

890
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: with him. Did want to mention some breaking news with

891
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: a little bit of a local angle and news that

892
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: we knew was coming at some point but now has come.

893
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: Lou Holtz has died. He had been in hospice care

894
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: I believe for at least the last couple of weeks.

895
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,959
Speaker 2: I certainly remember, you know, within the last few weeks

896
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: people talking about it. But eighty nine years old. His

897
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: family released a statement and to put it from his

898
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: low Holtz family Twitter account, but Notre Dame Football put

899
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 2: out a statement as well, and I mentioned he's eighty

900
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: nine years old. Six different schools, William and Mary, NC,

901
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: State Arkansas, Minnesota for two years, Notre Dame in South Carolina.

902
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: He also coached the New York Jets in nineteen seventy six,

903
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 2: only for thirteen games three and ten. So he's obviously

904
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: a legendary name. You can fade it down. This is

905
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: Dan's bitt you can fade it down. He legendary name,

906
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: legendary after he coached, spent a million years on ESPN,

907
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: a bunch of commentary work. I remember him. I think

908
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: Rhys Davis and Mark May did kind of a wrap

909
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 2: up show after the deal. But he's obviously remembered here

910
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: in kind of a complicated way because he left. He's

911
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: the one that made us all paranoid, I think and

912
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: about coaches being successful and then moving on to greener pastures,

913
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 2: and he coached here, like I said, for two years.

914
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: I think he recruited Daryl Thompson but never coached him.

915
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: My guy who's on the Gopher Radio Network crew with us,

916
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 2: the second all time leading rusher now University of Minnesota history,

917
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: recruited Darryl never coached him because he was on his

918
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: way to Notre Dame. And I'll just read this part

919
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: from the ESPN story that talked about him. Notre Dame

920
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: hired Holts in eighty six to restore a once proud

921
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: program that had stumbled under Jerry Fauss. The hire fulfilled

922
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: a childhood dream for Holtz, who grew up in the

923
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 2: nineteen forties listening to Notre Dame football on the radio

924
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: throughout his career. He finally recalled marching to the Notre

925
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 2: Dame Victory March during grade school in Ohio. Holts even

926
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: had the Notre Dame clause written into his Minnesota contract

927
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: that would allow him to leave for the Irish only

928
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: if he took the Gophers to a bowl game. He did.

929
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: That happened in nineteen eighty five, opening the door for

930
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: Holtz to lead the Irish. His introductory news conference, I

931
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: could not possibly turn down the opportunity to come to

932
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. I just felt this was the dream of

933
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 2: a lifetime. And it is interesting because you've heard about

934
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: that Notre Dame clause. I've always wondered if it was

935
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 2: apocryphal or not apocryphal. What's the word I'm looking for.

936
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: If it was like an old wives tale, if it

937
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:19,959
Speaker 2: was real, if it's just one of those things, Bret,

938
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: that you hear about that. Oh yeah, he had the

939
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: Notre Dame clause written into his contract. He had to go.

940
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 4: It was like the Kyler Murray call of duty clause.

941
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, something like that. Because I always wonder, well,

942
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: why would if you're the Gophers, why would you put

943
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: that in there? You know, are you so desperate that

944
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: you want Lou Holds to be your coach? And you say,

945
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: and by the way, if you're the Notre Dame. If

946
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: Notre Dame calls, yeah, you can go, we'll put it

947
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: in your contract that It always seemed to me backwards.

948
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: I got to figure that out. But yeah, he and

949
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: obviously went on to win a national championship in nineteen

950
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: eighty eight. You can watch you when you're growing up

951
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: as a child of the nineties, like I did. I mean,

952
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: it didn't get any bigger than Notre Dame. In fact,

953
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: I mean they're still that's the last time they won

954
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: a national champion believe it or not. Like you, people

955
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: may not believe that or remember that, because they still

956
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: are notreed Aim, and they still have their own TV deal,

957
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: and they are in the College Football Playoff consistently, and

958
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: when they're not, they pout and don't even play in

959
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: the in the Pop Tart Bowl, you know, which what

960
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: an opportunity to pass up playing in the Pop to

961
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: enjoy the season, go down to Orlando. But he's got

962
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: quite a legacy here in Minnesota, obviously for coming here

963
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: and turning things pretty quickly to get them. You know,

964
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: back then, going to a bowl game was a big deal.

965
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 2: There weren't five hundred of them. There wasn't the Pop

966
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 2: Tart Bowl, there wasn't the Cheese At Bowl, there wasn't

967
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: there's not the Motor City Bowl anymore because that one's

968
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 2: gone under. But there weren't. There weren't forty bowl games

969
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: every year. There was a handful. And to actually get

970
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 2: to a ball was a big deal. And to turn

971
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 2: things that quickly was a big deal. His other legacy

972
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: here besides making us paranoid that every coach was always

973
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: going to leave, because I don't think any coach has

974
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: ever really left since then for greener pastures, so to speak.

975
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: They've gotten contract extensions because of it, because we always say, well,

976
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: they're going to leave, We're just always going back to

977
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six. As I understand it, it was his idea

978
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: to move football to the Metrodome. His theory was it's

979
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: going to be a professional stadium, and guys want to

980
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: play in professional stadiums. And it was built. The Dome

981
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: was built in nineteen eighty two, and we just and

982
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: Dan Minnesota if he's listing, could could find this more

983
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: quickly than I could. But they had a clause in

984
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: their deal with the Dome. It was kind of like

985
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: an opt out clause. I think two years into the

986
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: deal they started playing there in nineteen eighty two and

987
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four. The decision had to be made, Okay,

988
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: are we staying here in the Dome or are we

989
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 2: going back to Memorial Stadium on campus. And I'm pretty

990
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: sure it was Holtz that said We're staying. We're staying

991
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: in the Dome. People want to play in the Dome,

992
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 2: the athletes want to come here and compete in the Dome.

993
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: It's a professional stadium. That's what we got to be

994
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: thinking about. And that, obviously, in my opinion, turned into

995
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: a disastrous situation that they know in Memorial Stadium was

996
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 2: not a good spot from what I'm told. I never

997
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: saw it. I don't remember it. It was kind of

998
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: gone by the time I started going to games. But

999
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: I've traveled around the Big Ten now fifteen years. Oh

1000
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 2: good for me, and around the country now for all

1001
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: these stadiums, there's a lot of old Memorial stadiums that

1002
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: were then refurbished or remodeled, and they all look the

1003
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: same they all have the brick, they all have the horseshoe,

1004
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: they all have the new press box, they all have

1005
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 2: the suites around the top. Like you could have probably

1006
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: figured out a way to keep football on campus back then,

1007
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 2: but you just think about the generational setback of like

1008
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: just the college football vibe that Minnesota lost by going

1009
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: to the Metronome. It's right there. And I take my upbringing.

1010
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: For example, we didn't tailgate when we went to go

1011
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: for a game when we were a kid. Games were

1012
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: all at six o'clock because nobody wanted to go inside

1013
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: at noon on a beautiful fall Saturday, So the games

1014
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: were at six. You'd pull up at like five forty five,

1015
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: you'd walk into the game, you'd watch the Gophers probably

1016
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 2: lose by a million with Jim Whacker and Goody towards

1017
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: the end, and then you'd go home at nine thirty

1018
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: and that'd be your college football experience. And now, I

1019
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: mean you've heard go for football Sunday now for a

1020
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: handful of years, Brett, You've heard Burnsy and I talk

1021
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: about now that football has been back on campus for

1022
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: fifteen years. Basically like there actually is like a vibe again,

1023
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: Like there is a there's things like the first few

1024
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: years in the stadium, after the first year, the first

1025
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 2: few years of the kill era, it was rough, man,

1026
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 2: I mean, because they hadn't been built up, tailgating hadn't

1027
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 2: been cultivated. There weren't people that were thirty years old

1028
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 2: tailgating that are now forty five, you know, a little

1029
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: bit older than me.

1030
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 4: Tommy Olsen didn't have a spot yet.

1031
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: Tommy, the Olsen's didn't have their spot. They might have been,

1032
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: there was nobody else next to them. And now everybody's back. Yeah,

1033
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 2: now that Tommy's a young alum like he and all

1034
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: his buddies, they're all coming back. But so it's an

1035
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 2: interesting legacy for Lou Holtz here because he's obviously one

1036
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: of the all time greats, there's no denying that. And

1037
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: the stories about him, you know, just how he would coach,

1038
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: how he would motivate, how he would inspire. He became

1039
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: a very successful corporate speaker, no surprise there. You watch

1040
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: the thirty for thirties on Catholics Versus Convicts, you know,

1041
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: Notre Dame Miami. I mean, as good as it gets

1042
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 2: if you love college football and Lou Holtz, this small

1043
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 2: little guy with a funny voice, was the guy behind

1044
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: all of it. So I'm hoping at some point here

1045
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: let me just do some live production work on the air.

1046
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that Pete n Jerry and will be able

1047
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: to join us, because he knew Lou really well obviously

1048
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: from his time at the U, and I think just

1049
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: recently spent some time with them in Florida, so I'm

1050
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: hoping to catch up with him. We've got Alex Lewis

1051
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: coming up at the bottom of the hour at four

1052
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: point thirty, and Pat Kessler of course at five point fifteen.

1053
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: But worth passing along an ode to Lou Holtz, former

1054
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 2: Gopher coach former you know, I mean, a legend in

1055
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: college football. Space died at eighty nine years old.