WEBVTT - Rocky and Jason Williams -- 10/13/25 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.480 You know that the great Dave Lapham is fond of 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:05.280 talking about a tale of two halves, right, a tale 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.800 of two cities, right, Charles Dickens novelah blah blah blah, 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:10.880 pretty much the same thing which you alluded to in 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:15.240 your column about how I mean certainly offensively. Joe Flacco's 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:17.800 comes in, He's got about three days with the team. 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:22.200 First half looked like a guy that had been with 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:25.400 a team three days, right. Second half, things got together 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.480 and he performed very very well, which we'll get into defense. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:29.720 Not so much. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:33.080 Well, you're right, and it's the tale of the positive, 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.160 the good news and the bad news. So the good 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:37.760 and the bad, the tale of two halves. 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:38.000 Rock. 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:42.320 I heard you talking with Willie there, and I've said 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:44.479 this in my calum dance and say dot com you 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.000 know that it takes time. It took you know, Joe 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.880 Flacco needed some time. And that's I think clearly what 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.760 was happening there in the first half is I don't 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.120 think you could expect this guy to come in go 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:58.080 to lambeau Field against Green Bay, despite the fact that 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.680 he's played green Bay already this season. That's a big 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.400 ask to step into a new team on the fly 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.679 Tuesday night, he gets here, you know, goes over the 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.160 playbook on his drive down with Zach Taylor, gets to 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.840 the facility late at night, and he's there till late 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.280 at night and in all week and it's like still 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.360 and then you you talked about it too, and Jamar 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.560 Chase said they only got twelve reps together. I mean, 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.920 this is the best receiver in the game who got 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.160 sick and had to go home, and so all things told, like, 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:27.840 you know, the fact that they really turned it up 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:32.720 there after the halftime was really impressive. I think it 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.840 should give you u some hope that the Bengals are 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.200 going to win a few more games this season. I mean, 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:41.800 this season is done. This season was done the moment 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.240 Joe Burrow went down, But that doesn't mean they can't 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:47.559 be competitive win a few games, and maybe they weren't 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:51.320 supposed to. Joe Flack a huge credit to the front 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.040 office for not just sitting on their hands, because I think, 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.760 you know, the thing everyone expected the Bengals to do 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:58.760 was just we'll just keep doing the same thing we 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:00.840 always do and keep a rolling with who we got. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.920 And the fact that they made a move there, uh 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.000 and you know, bench Jake Browning and or I don't 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:08.760 know it was a benching. I guess you returned him 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.280 to the bench, right right, Yeah, And when I got 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:16.360 Joe Flacco like that, that's a good thing. The bottom line. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.920 Flacco, by the way, second half, so he was twenty 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.400 nine to forty five for the entire game, but the 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.400 second half twenty one of thirty one hundred and seventy 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.160 nine yards, two touchdowns, zero interceptions. 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.000 I mean, he was really really good. 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:33.359 And over what was his overall two hundred and nineteen yards, yes, 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:37.120 you know, two hundred nineteen yards passing, two touchdowns, no 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:44.240 interceptions combined, found T Higgins Jamar Chase for fifteen receptions. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:43.720 Like. 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.600 That's I don't know how much more you could ask 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.120 of that guy. If that guy produces out on a 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:54.440 weekly basis, uh that that's that's pretty good. 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:59.160 Really good. And the main thing he did was any situation. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.040 I always talk about football in the end of it 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.960 is kind of simple. You get the ball your best players, 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:07.600 and if you have better players than they do, you're 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:09.800 gonna win a lot more games if you make a 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:13.000 conscious effort to get your best players the ball and 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:14.120 they couldn't do. 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:15.120 That with Jake Brown. 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.000 I don't know if it's a deficiency on him or 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.360 it was a game plan. I'm not quite sure on that, 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.839 but credit Joe Flacco has been around a long time. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:22.400 He's wise. 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.200 He says, Look, I don't know all the ends outs 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:25.919 of the playbook, and I don't know what this route's 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:26.959 called or that concept. 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:28.760 But I'm gonna throw the ball at number one. 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.280 I'm gonna throw the ball at number five, and I'm 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.119 gonna not and get the ball in my hand, which 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.640 he's always been really good at. Ye, he's good at 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.720 kind of knowing where the you know, the target guy 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:41.920 is supposed to be and how he's supposed to get open. 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.000 And he followed through it. He did. 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.360 And honestly, that that touchdown passed late in the game 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.000 to Uh to Jamar Chase was a dark and that 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:51.920 was it. That looked like Joe. It looked like a 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.880 Joe Burrow throw. It did, and the way Chase went 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.800 and got it that I put on him. 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.360 I said with Willie, I I don't know if that's 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.520 like an official route. I know all the routes in football, 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:04.680 I don't know what that was. It was kind of 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:09.960 like a like a just ran up and it was 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:11.720 kind of a back shoulder but not really put it 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.680 out in front of him. He just he he was 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:15.600 just a barter player, just one and got it, you know. 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:17.800 And that's at the end of the day. Give Jamar 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.160 Chase and his catch radio is a chance, and you're 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:21.400 you're gonna end up pretty good. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.719 That's there's I mean, we've seen catches like that that 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.960 Jamar and t have made. With Joe Burrow, what was 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.120 it in the Denver Was it the Denver game last year? 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.320 The ball that just Burrow? I think he just chucked 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.960 it up and T Higgins just went up and got 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:36.800 him for a touchdown. 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:37.600 They won that game. 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:38.480 Uh. 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.640 And then there's the other side of the coin rock. 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.520 The defense is now. I mean, I think everyone who 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.880 pays close attention knows and and Mo Mo talked a 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:49.480 lot about this. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.840 The defense isn't good. No, and and. 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:58.400 You're right, we've forgotten about it because, you know, because 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:05.560 Burrow brown interceptions in the first against some pretty poultry offense. 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:06.960 Does the defense looked pretty good. 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.560 They got takeaways, they did, They got some they got 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:13.080 some opportunistic takeaways. But I'll tell you Joe Flacco in 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:17.880 Game one in Cleveland, and uh, Trevor and Lawrence. They 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.160 diced up that defense pretty good. They just got overshadowed 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:25.839 by by the the takeaways, some of which were gimmes 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.040 ricochets off of the receiver's hands. But that's the game, 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:30.720 and what do you take it? 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.680 But you it did all the things happening with the 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.920 offense to your point, with Burrow and Brownie and all 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.320 that and what's going on, it overshaded the reality of 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.760 this is a defense that was in the lower part 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.880 of the of the league last year that made no 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.640 real additions except for I mean, you called Demetrius Now 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.080 he's been good, but not like a real impact player. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.479 It's the same defense. And then the second half. 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:59.880 They're operating without their clearly best player, Trey Hendrickson, So 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.839 you can't really expect it's not you can go, wow, 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.040 what happened to the defense? Well, what happened to defense 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.279 is it was the same guys as last year getting 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.279 exposed the same way they did last year. Yeah, they 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:16.480 have been getting absolutely just I mean, they ranked thirty 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:20.279 one in total defense right now, and a big, big 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.520 part of that is the fact that they are just 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:27.480 really bad against the run they are giving up. They 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.640 rank in the bottom five, five from the bottom, giving 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.120 up one hundred and thirty six yards on the ground. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:34.200 Now during this four. 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.200 Game losing streak, that's been one hundred and fifty six yards, 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.719 they'd go out on the ground. You know, the Green 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:42.600 Bay ran it on them again. But then when they 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.359 didn't run it, you know, in the end there the 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:48.119 defense couldn't make a stop, the offense can't comes to life, 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.960 and you know they get that touchdown to get within 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:55.279 a score and then what's the guy's name drawing a 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:59.400 blank number zero for for the receiver for Golden Golden, 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.920 a golden tape. But that's the Matthew Golden. I mean 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:12.320 wide open in crunch time. Yeah, yeah, he caught that 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.560 deep cross route, no one around him and for thirty 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:20.119 one yards in the NFL, like, come on football field 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.400 at a time at a time when you have to 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:27.120 make a stop there like and they can't do it. 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.200 And then you go back to last week too, and 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.280 people will say these were garbage time touchdowns and ultimately 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.880 that's how it turned out. But the Bengals draw that 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.520 game last week to eleven points, was still over ten 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.960 minutes left in the game. You know, they got the touchdown, 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:47.960 the Jamar and the Detroit just drove the ball right 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.240 down the field. It was a total dagger. They just 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.800 sliced and dice, passing, running and just a nice mix 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.920 balanced zip zip zip right down the field. Game over, 0:07:58.200 --> 0:07:59.280 no chance to come back. 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:00.600 Agreed. 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.680 Now, let me ask you this, so with can you 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:04.880 talk yourself into this? 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:06.040 Okay? 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.560 If the defense can get some takeaways, all right, and 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:13.480 if the offense, with Joe Flacco getting even more experienced, 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.200 can look more so like they did the second half 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.200 versus the first half. If they can do all that 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.520 in these next three games, all three at home at Pittsburgh, 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:27.960 shooting Pittsburgh, the Jets and the Bears, can they get 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.840 it done? Is there any possible chance, Jason, they can 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.920 sit at five and four going to the buy? Because 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.760 I will contend if I had asked you at the 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.959 beginning of the season, with a healthy Joe Burrow, hey, 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.319 the Bengals will be five and four at the buy 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:43.199 and playing good? 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.760 Will you take it? You might said, yes? So is 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.480 that possible? In your opinion? Five and four at the buy? 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:49.960 Rattle off three straight at home? 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:54.400 I don't think it's possible with this defense, I think 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.360 four and five could be possible. I don't think they're 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.440 beating Pittsburgh at home. I think Pittsburgh is now seeing 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.319 and that this is their moment. Now with the rest 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.280 of the division down, I think Pittsburgh is seizing on 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:11.600 that they're coming here. Obviously, both teams on a short rest. 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:16.800 I still think there's an adjustment period for Flacco. Flacco 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.320 almost really has to be the way he was yesterday 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.360 in the second half of the entire game. That's a 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:27.400 lot to ask, and then the defense like it just 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:33.520 it feels like it's basically they're back to having to 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.400 do the whole strategy they were going to do with 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.160 Joe Burrow and now is to try to outscore teams. 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.720 So now you're asking a lesser quarterback to do that, 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.960 a better quarterback than Browning, but nowhere anywhere near Joe Burrow. 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.960 You're asking Joe Flacco to put up thirty a week. Yes, 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.520 that's exactly right. That's a tough ask. Tough ask. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.360 Well, well, look, we will continue to break this down 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.720 throughout the course of the show. Dave Lapham of course, 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.480 will check in with us as he always does at 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.760 five o'clock here today, But we'll keep you posting on 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:03.040 all that. 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.040 But right now, let's go ahead and check some trafficking weather. 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:09.479 How we look a little bit of the coaching carousel 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:14.000 that is college football and and discuss on one hand, 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:20.400 it's it's crazy that these schools. I mean, there's you know, 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.600 James Franklin has a forty nine million dollars by it 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.640 and they just fired. They're gonna pay forty nine million 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.679 dollars in the next five or six years to do nothing. 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:29.760 Mind boggling. 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.840 And what was promised was in this world of nil, 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.400 coaches weren't going to get fired as much because teams 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:38.199 didn't want to give up that money they had to 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:39.920 be able to buy players and what they would give 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.360 their coach an extra year or two. 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.000 But that's that's not happened. Uh. 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.400 And the evidence shows that that is not happening. And 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.480 we'll talk about that after the bottom of the hour news. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:52.240 But the more coaching news, it came out a little 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:56.280 bit of go Jason. The Titans after a one to 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.840 five star, after I believe a twenty to ten loss 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.360 to the Raiders yesterday, they have fired their head coach, 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:03.400 Brian Callahan. 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:07.079 Former OC with your Cincinnati Bengals. Your thoughts. 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.600 Yeah, he went just four and nineteen in Tennessee. What 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:15.160 is these six games into us? Just his second season 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.400 in Tennessee. They drafted cam Ward with the number one 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:19.080 overall pick. 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.240 This year just didn't work. 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:29.040 And you look at this and ye, here's potentially the 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.920 issue is they've had incredible amount of turnover in their 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.480 front office just in the last less than three years. 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.119 So in less than three years, they've had three general managers. 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.800 In December of twenty twenty two, they fired John Robinson 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:47.840 the GM. They hire Ron Carthon as the GM, and 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.839 two years later, in January of twenty twenty fourth, they 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:56.320 fired Mike Vrabel. Then they hire that same year or 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.880 that same month, they hire Brian Callahan. Then they fired 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.480 guy the GM that they hired a few years ago, 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.840 Ron carthin They hire a new GM, Mike borgan Ganzi, 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.080 who wasn't the guy there when they hire Brian Callahan. 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.000 So the guy that hired Brian Callahan had been fired 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:17.319 back in which is always always has the right on. 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:18.760 The wall and. 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.640 Just just a mess. They're building a new stadium. They're 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.520 going to open that in the early twenty twenty seven 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:29.280 is when that's projected to be completed. Report All the 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:34.040 reports say, so, I don't know. I mean, you know 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.720 this guy, you know, it's been bad with the fans. 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:38.760 The fans aren't showing up. The ones that are. We're 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:39.480 chanting fire. 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:39.760 You know. 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.360 Three games into the season, like the whole stadium was 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:46.839 echoing at halftime it was fire Callahan chance having been 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:47.320 there and. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.400 Knowing some folks that lived down there and kind of 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.760 knowing that fan base, which is I mean, the Tennessee 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.920 market is about as calm as you can get from 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.920 a pressures is not a New York City market where 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.680 everyone's calling for your job every day. If you you know, 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.640 you win and contend for the playoffs, you know good 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:08.600 things are gonna You're gonna kind of be okay. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:08.760 Now. 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.079 I I remember saying I'm rarely. 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.880 Like jumping to the defense of a coach that that 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:14.760 you know, got fired. 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:19.040 When they fired Mike Rabell, I thought that was incredible. 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:19.400 Guys. 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.040 I mean he's getting by the way, he's what four 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.520 and one right now with the Patriots and without the 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.240 roster that's like not even that great. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.400 He's one of the best coaches in the NFL. He's 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.920 a tough guy. He instills toughness. 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:30.880 In his town. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.200 They take on the identity of him in the same 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:37.520 way the Lions take on the identity of of Van Campbell. 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:43.520 The pride of Walsh, Jesuit High School, Rabel Cayhoga Falls, Ohio, 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:48.280 Ohio State. There you go, buds, they are he's speaking of. Well, 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.480 we'll talk more about college thing. 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:55.520 But yeah, I think I don't I don't watch all 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:57.280 the Titans games. I don't know all the ins and outs, 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.040 but I know that it just seems like the offense 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.480 was was kind of lost. And anytime you have the 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.200 general manager, he's the guy who didn't hire the head coach, 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.240 it's unless you're really cranking, it ain't gonna be good. 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.679 I mean he won four games there and less than 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.760 a season and a half. It's like, yeah, it didn't work. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:16.559 No, yeah, especially a lot of time. 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.240 A lot of times you're like you're like, okay, yeah, 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.200 this maybe needs a little more time, but that one, yeah, yeah, 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.240 you're four and nineteen. I think I think that we 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.880 all know what the this isn't going to work. 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:31.120 We'll talk about some of the college coaching turmoil as well. 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.360 After the news who was Radio seven hundred WLW. It's 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.360 not really on this day in history, it's actually yesterday 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:42.320 in history. October twelve, fourteen ninety two, Columbus discovered the 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:42.720 New World. 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:46.280 We're celebrating Columbus Day today, well some are. I still 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.240 celebrate Columbus Day. You know. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.240 His goal obviously was to find the Western Sea route 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:57.640 to the Indies, right, That's where he was trying to 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.440 find with the gold and the spices and all that 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.920 sort of thing. It was financed by King Ferdinand, Queen 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:06.480 Isabella of Spain, the journey Nina Pentas, Santa Maria, you know, 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:13.680 all this stuff. But the first island or first land 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:15.960 that he hit in the New World, and I've said 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.080 this before because I've spent many years out there was 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.680 on modern day San Salvador, which is a Bohemian island. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:23.840 That's where he hit it. 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:28.600 First land, yes, and it used to be called Watling's 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:32.320 Island because there was a pirate named Captain Watling, well 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:36.080 pirate slash sea captain named Watlan, and he used to 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.080 be called that. But anyway he discovered he called it 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:44.520 San Salvador. And like I said, I've spent i haven't 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.880 been back there in a few years, but spent about 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:47.920 ten twelve years out there. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:48.720 Beautiful place. 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:54.280 So he hit he hits what's known as San Salvador first. 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.400 And then goes then goes down and hits like Cuba, 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.440 what else Dominican? 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.440 You know all that he first comes to America and 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:12.640 what is now Florida, right, yes, Saint Augustine that I 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.160 don't know that I don't know, but you know made 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.560 a couple made like three actually death and three total 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.960 voyages there and back. That's sort of sorry, I forgot 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.280 my fourth grade I was that we learned about that 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:22.840 fourth grade. 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:28.240 Probably the kid's learning the name more. I wonder why, well, yeah, 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.440 we know now A lot of the the dirt on 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.160 I do know this on Columbus came about from the 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.680 author Howard Zinn. He was the first author that said, 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:43.640 you know, Christopher Columbus, you know, killed all these No, no, 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:45.200 not that he was the one that was for all. 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.040 You know that we kind of, in his opinion, brought 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.280 to light all the atrocities against the Native American people. 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.320 Blah blah blah. We're kind of going on his word. 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:57.080 There's like like only I think like Christopher Columbus's actual diary. 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.760 Other than that, there's no reporter out there saying, well, 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.080 on day he took those You know, we assume that 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.760 that happened, as it has many times throughout history, but 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:11.679 it was before journalism was running right exactly, so pretty 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:13.320 still a pretty monumental discovery. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:14.160 Will celebrate him. 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.359 Your state capital is named after him, right, well, remember 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.560 when they tried to remember when there was a movement 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.399 that changed the name. Oh yeah of this Columbus, Ohio. 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:24.400 I didn't go very far. 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:28.760 No, I didn't, No, sure didn't. Nonetheless so much people 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:30.520 could see the look you just gave me. Yeah, that 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:32.119 ale sarcastic. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:37.440 But that's why this is a radio. So yeah. 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:41.640 So James Franklin, the head coach of Penn State, over 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:46.439 the weekend, fired and it's crazy three weeks ago, just 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.000 three weeks ago, how fast things can change. Number two 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.720 in the country, Number two in the country, you know, 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.560 getting ready to play. They play Oregon and actually are 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.240 like like could have should have kind of won that game. Yever, 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.840 game I think until last week is one of the 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:07.399 best teams in the country. Didn't pass three seasons James 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:11.880 Franklin eleven and two, ten and three. Last year thirteen 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:16.399 and three with two playoff wins, ranked number one, number 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.680 two in the country. Preseason was as high as two 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:26.480 officially three losses, canned and a forty nine million dollar buyout. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:27.920 And I looked this up, Jason. 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:32.280 So there have been seven FBS schools that have fired 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.400 their head coaches. Okay, so James Franklin fired from Penn State, 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:40.560 Mike Gundy from Oklahoma State, Sam Pittman from Arkansas, Brent 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.760 Pry from Virginia Tech, to Shan Foster from UCLA, Trent 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:49.639 Dilferd from UAB, and Trent Bray from Oregon State. And 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:55.080 all of those buyout money totals are one hundred million dollars, 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:59.760 one hundred million dollars in payment going to coaches who 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:03.960 are going to coach for those universities. Your thoughts, it's 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.600 that's going to go up here fairly soon. When Billy 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.040 Napier gets canned at Florida, I was reading a piece 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:10.840 in the USA did Ay Blake top Meyer. 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:12.119 It was a really good column. 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:18.440 Uh, Norville at Florida State right there, Luke Fickle. Uh, 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.199 all those guys have high buyouts, but not not. There 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:23.960 was a couple of there was was it Fickles? It 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.040 was kind of like, whoa, I'm surprised it's that low. 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:28.200 Is it high? 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:29.720 Is it high? Okay? I thought it was that was 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:31.239 one of those guys. I was like, oh, I mean 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:31.920 they're all high. 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.720 But I was like, oh, you thought like with those 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:38.160 being kind of I don't really see Wisconsin as being 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:39.080 an upper echelon. 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:40.600 But whatever. 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:47.080 Uh see him bringing Belichick. So with all those toe 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:48.840 and then the article I saw maybe he saw the 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:50.840 same one. They're saying it could it could approach two 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:52.760 hundred million by the end of the year, and that 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.680 and that that. As I was thinking about this last 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.399 night and I heard you and Willie talk about it. 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.400 Now we're we're sitting here talking about it. 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.000 It just it comes back to me. This is something 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:02.960 I've thought about a lot. 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.480 I used to cover, used to you know, be the 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:11.560 beat beat reporter for college sports, and the amount of 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:15.840 like colleges like it's they operate in all reality when 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.199 it comes to finances. 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:23.040 Businesses out there fire their CEO and pay them forty 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:24.600 nine million dollars to walk away. 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:25.359 You hear it. 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:27.879 But it's like Goldman Sacks or like it's like the 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.520 biggest of the big and it's like, but I mean 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:32.480 this is this is on the athletic side, of the 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.159 non athletic side. Any start you think about it, You're like, 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:39.639 what other what other industry or organization or whatever in America? 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:43.480 Certainly in America, Uh, do you get money from and 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.840 this is obviously state schools, but you get money from 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:50.479 private donors, you get money from tuition from students, you 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.320 get money from the state government, you get money from 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.200 the federal government, you get money from corporations. 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:58.440 You get in and you. 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:00.720 Can even expand that and say you a money from 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:03.840 ticket sales and all. It's like what other world gets 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:08.320 that kind of revenue stream from that various different uh 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:10.520 you know, pots of money or. 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:11.000 Whatever, you know. 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.399 And it's like and then I think it has just 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.600 skewed like all sense of reality when it comes to 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.320 and like, who's made you know, so the athletic director 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:25.040 at Penn State. I'm sure this wasn't just made yesterday. 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.760 I mean, this guy's been crunching numbers with some big 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:31.679 donors or and you know we you know, sarcastically, James 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:34.639 Franklin's nickname Big Game James, because he's what one in 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:37.920 eighteen or something against top five teams in his time 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:41.920 at Penn State. So this has been you know, this 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.199 is this, This wasn't this decision wasn't made with the 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.960 snap of a finger yesterday, but it was made probably 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.720 fairly quickly. Right there are number two three weeks ago, 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:55.080 so you know, generally speak but even in a matter 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:57.440 of three weeks or a matter of two weeks or 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:01.080 a week, you can decide like we're going to pay 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:04.639 this guy forty nine, Like where does that? It's beyond 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.840 comprehension to think where is that money coming from? And 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:10.120 how are you able to make that decision? But it's 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:12.320 just saying like, yeah, we can do that and be 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:17.080 financially viable. It shows you that the people that are upset, 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:22.119 the people that are upset enough where the AD takes 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.720 their call, it has to listen to them. They have 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:28.680 a lot of money and they're saying, hey, this isn't acceptable. Yeah, 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:31.880 and then it becomes this isn't acceptable. We're getting embarrassed. 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:34.400 And then it becomes this isn't acceptable. We're getting embarrassed. 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:38.320 And you know what, me and five other guys will 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:42.120 pay the money to get rid of this problem and 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:45.560 restore confidence back in this program. But you're right, there's 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:49.000 no other industry where like this kind of heavy hitter 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:53.040 type money comes in and swoops in and pays a 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:53.399 guy to. 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:55.040 Do nothing right. 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:58.280 And you think about, you know, are some of our 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:03.720 major companies when they buy out a CEO, Right, You're like, okay, 0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:08.680 so I'm saying like a Goldman Sachs or something, act like. 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:12.920 A major, major international player. Those are only a handful. 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:16.720 But you're looking at like you look at like all 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:19.640 these universities and colleges and the you know in Penn 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:22.479 State certainly is in the upper echelon of yeah there 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:25.320 would consider I'd consider them a blue blood right of 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:28.480 college football. 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:30.359 But this is just where does this stop? 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:32.160 Because this is going to keep happening to and then 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:35.240 just you throw on top of all the skewed finances 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.520 and reality world of money and college athletics. Then you're 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.240 throwing in il and you throw on the pressure of winning. 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:44.359 As we said three weeks ago, uh, you know, James 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:46.879 Franklin was number two in the country, number three in 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:50.000 the country. Uh, just a handful of months ago he 0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:52.840 had won some playoff games, and now all of a 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:54.240 sudden Boom snapped the fingers. 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:55.200 You can give them forty. 0:23:55.040 --> 0:24:00.560 Nine million dollars and so you know, you basically like 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:02.639 you lose two or three games in a row in 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:06.320 today's world, and we can make it because of the 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:07.840 NIL and the amount of money. 0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:09.920 That will all just shoose you how much money some 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:10.520 people make. 0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:13.480 The people that are that are close to these universities 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:16.639 and are alumni and care so much about what happens 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:18.879 with the football croud they make so much money they 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:22.240 can step in and do this. And I said this 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:25.480 earlier with Willie. What I've been told by ads and 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:29.960 football people is well, now because of nil and the 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:32.920 fact that team, the number one thing that moves these 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:34.760 recruits is the money. 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:37.040 Coaches will get a little bit longer lease. 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:40.280 They'll get a longer leash because in this case, a 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.879 Penn State or any team doesn't want to spend forty 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:43.800 nine million. 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.359 Dollars to buy out a coach. 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:48.000 They'd rather take that forty nine million and buy some 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:51.439 players with it over the next six years. That was 0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:54.960 what was I've been told, That's what was kind of promised. 0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:58.000 That's not what's happening, yeah at all. Like these coaches 0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:01.560 have even a smaller lease argue then they use to 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:04.679 which again makes it all the more crazier how how 0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:07.959 big the money comes in, and just kind of just 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:10.720 like that just kind of yeah, you know, kind of 0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:12.159 solves the problem and let's move on. 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:13.960 Yep, Luke Fickles buy out. 0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:16.280 By the way, I'm looking at USA today, twenty seven 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:17.160 million dollars. 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:20.040 Wisconsin don't have twenty seven million. You could argue to 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:21.639 pay him, or do they? 0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:22.119 Right? 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:24.200 Right, I mean, you're right, you're right. 0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:26.600 I would have said two weeks ago, I would have 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:29.720 said there's no way. But but now we're seeing all 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:31.240 these these guys getting released. 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:35.160 You say, maybe Mike Norvel down at Florida State, his 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:42.520 buyout is fifty eight million dollars. Thank you, Jimmy Sexton, 0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:46.960 the super agent for college football coaches, at some point 0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:49.119 that that's the thing that needs to happen. Like and 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:52.080 I guess it's a leverage thing. If you're a coach 0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:54.800 in a top school, once you and you're the the 0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:57.919 you're the top guy name out there, you kind of 0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:01.520 call your own shots. But these these ads. 0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:06.080 Should be hell responsible for given those kind of contracts 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:07.440 and just just. 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:09.879 Eating that amount of money. I don't envy. 0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:13.880 I don't envy the athletic directors at all today's world too, 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:17.920 because it's like you're balancing all these things. How long 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:21.280 do you give a coach? I mean, look at Scott Sadderfield. 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:24.120 How long was John Cunningham sitting there saying how much 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:25.280 longer do I give this guy? 0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:25.840 Well? 0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.240 Now they're five and one and you know, so it's like, okay, 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:31.120 little patients. I know it's still there's still a lot 0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:34.119 of season left, but all right, things seem to be 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:34.800 trending in the right now. 0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:36.639 That's a tough gigs is one of the big money 0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:38.480 guy called and said, listen, this is unaccepted. 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:40.639 When you better do this. It takes a strong person. 0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:43.520 I nope, We're gonna hold out to stay the course, 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.639 but I think fewer and fewer ads have that. 0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:48.800 All let's go and check some trafficking weather. How are 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:49.160 we looking? 0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:52.760 When are you going to start coaching? That's what I 0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:54.280 want exactly. 0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:58.240 Well, I mean this place pays me, so nevermind. 0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:02.840 Yeah, of course, yes, you got coaches money here. Sure 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:03.960 from the youth he. 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.760 The four o'clock news, We're going to check on checking 0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.920 in with our good friend Dan Snell he's a political expert, 0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:15.000 and talk about you know, Trump and the hostage negotiations 0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:19.320 and getting those twenty Israeli hostages back and good news 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.359 on the front and ask him what to do about 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:26.679 the government stoppage and what should happen with all that 0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:30.040 was discussed some politics with Dan here at four o'clock, 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:31.960 but I wanted to discuss real quick. 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:34.600 You know him, I know him. A lot of folks have. 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:38.440 You don't know him, you've at least heard him calling games. 0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:44.920 Jim Kelly, Bearcat legend, passed away today, seventy two years old, 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:47.200 seventy two. I mean he was the leading receiver here 0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:49.800 with the Bearcats seventy three to seventy five. 0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:52.160 Early in life. He was a ball boy. 0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:56.119 I mean he just, I mean literally was the personification 0:27:56.240 --> 0:28:00.399 of UC athletics. And got a chance to talk with 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:03.760 him here and there over the years. Tremendous guy, I 0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:08.800 said with Willie. I know his son, Dave Kelly very 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:12.119 very well. He was our spotter for my ESPN games 0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:14.600 for three seasons. He was my play by play guy, 0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:16.240 my play by play guy, Clay Maviick. 0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:17.639 It was his spot er. 0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.879 So I worked with Dave twenty games, A year for 0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:23.720 three years, and you talk about like that's a hard gig. 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.360 So spotter, if you don't know, is someone who He's 0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:28.439 the extra set of eyes in the booth. So if 0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:30.240 you're you're looking at him to play with, like who 0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:31.960 made the tackle? There was that number thirty two or 0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:34.200 thirty three, I don't know. He's there to kind of 0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.080 say point to the number. But he was more than 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.040 just the guy who pointed to who made the tackle. 0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:43.840 He like had incredible football knowledge. And literally twice a 0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.640 game I would talk to Dave, I'd say, take my 0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:48.080 head set off and say what am I missing? 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.760 What do I not? And he'd be like, well, hey 0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:53.040 remember this happening. Boom good. 0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:56.840 Thanks anyway, So I know Dave more than I know Jim. 0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.959 But the times I've talked to Jim, just a tremendous, 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:00.960 tremendous guy. 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:01.280 Oh. 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.440 I loved him, loved him, loved listening to him. I 0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:08.240 told him this. Yeah, a few years ago, I thought 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:12.480 I thought he was honestly like, he was a very 0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:15.160 very good color analyst on football. I thought he was 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.880 very underrated. Yes, you know, do you see football all 0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.320 those years in this town not being a big thing. 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:23.640 But he was there, and they had him on our 0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:26.120 podcasts at the Inquirer a few years ago. It was 0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:29.320 before the Notre Dame game, and at the moment they 0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:31.560 won that game, the first thing I thought about was him, 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:35.000 because this is a guy who as a player, his 0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:38.040 dad being an administrator and a coach there for so 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:41.440 many years, saw the worst of the worst. Was there 0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:44.080 when they lost eighty one and nothing at Penn State. 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:46.880 Was there and all those times when almos should you 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:49.760 see drop football? Was there when people were making funny 0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:51.840 you see when no one was coming to the games. 0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:55.120 When I was a freshman in college, I remember at 0:29:55.200 --> 0:30:01.080 UC like empty stadium and but gone at Jim Kelly 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:06.280 was there, yep, and believing and believing honest with honesty. 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:09.400 He gave everybody else some belief and a lot of folks. 0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:12.640 True ambassador for the university, for the football program. 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:14.320 You'll be missed. He's the best. 0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:18.800 And again thoughts to his family and we say god speed. 0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:19.960 Did a great Jim Kelly. 0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:24.560 And with that the new seven hundred WLW alongside Jason Williams, 0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:29.080 and we're tracking down our guest here, Dan Snell, to 0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:34.440 discuss I'm pretty historic going on right with the ceasefire 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:38.760 that was negotiated by Trump and the the freeing of 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:43.680 what upwards of twenty hostages that have been in captivity 0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:47.040 for two and a half years now. And I mean 0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.640 we're sitting here in the in the studio and on 0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:52.560 the TVs we're seeing some of these videos which are 0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:57.240 absolutely incredible of of you know, these folks getting reunited 0:30:57.280 --> 0:31:00.560 with with their their families, which is a a great, 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:03.200 great thing to see in order to discuss this and 0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:04.040 much much more. 0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:05.640 We always enjoy talking with him. 0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:11.360 He's our political export expert, the Winso Way, the Winso candidate. 0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:14.440 I'm so excited Dan that I stumbled over my words there. 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:16.960 But we're excited to talk to you, Dan Snell. Welcome 0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:17.440 to the program. 0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:20.120 How are you? Thank you, Rocky. 0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.680 I'm doing great, good to be with you and Jason. Yeah. 0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:25.480 There are probably sometimes that people want to export me, 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:27.720 in my opinions, they want to get me out of 0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:29.960 the country. But I'm always happy to be with you. 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:34.600 And an exciting day in the world, isn't it today? 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:37.400 As you said, the hugs and the cheers and the 0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:42.840 tears and the excitement of what took place there. Whatever 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.640 your viewpoint on politics, President Trump and the United States 0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:50.160 having put this together should be should be cheered. And 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.320 we have our challenges, but this day is a good 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:56.840 day for Donald Trump and the United States and Israel 0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:57.760 and the world. 0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:00.360 So, Dan, I mean kind of encapsulate that I put 0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.520 this into perspective for us. I mean, you're talking about 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:06.440 two sides that have been at each other's throats like 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:10.000 since the beginning of time and there's now a ceasefire. 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:14.040 Just putting into perspective what the I guess the magnitude of. 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:19.480 This Yeah, yeah, Literally a biblical perspective is the history 0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:23.560 of these two nations and the fight over there. And 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:27.080 if Donald Trump can bring it together and keep it together. 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:29.440 I think the key is keeping things together to get 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.400 both sides. Certainly, there's going to be moments, right There's 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:34.920 going to be people are going to be agitated over 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:37.760 this or that and disagreement. But if we can keep 0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:42.080 it together, it is a breakthrough. And especially if they 0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:46.480 can find a pathway to get Gaza redeveloped in a 0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:49.760 way that allows some people to come home, it's going 0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:52.560 to be It is a giant thing for the world. 0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:57.360 Yeah, Dan, this is a bigger, broader question, you know, 0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:00.360 we tend to want to get in the weed about 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.400 Donald Trump here in America, but on the global scale, 0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:08.000 this is just an incredible, incredible feat. And this is 0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:11.080 something that you know, fifty years from now in the 0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:14.160 history books they'll be talking about Donald Trump as a 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:19.640 peacemaker in the Middle East and where does all that 0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:21.640 come from from him? And how in the heck has 0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:22.880 he been able to do that? 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.360 Well, you know, he has a strong personality and he 0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:29.520 can pick up the phone as the most powerful man 0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:31.400 in the world, pick up the phone and try to 0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:35.680 talk to people, encourage people. And I think that he 0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:39.760 probably laid down the law with Israel with regards to 0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:41.480 some of the things that they were doing that were 0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:45.240 causing upset in the Middle East and even here in America. 0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:50.960 And yet he also for Hamas said you know, no Moss, Hamas, 0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:54.160 no Moss, do not do what you're doing anymore, or 0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:58.240 it will You'll be obliterated. So he has the strength 0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:03.080 of character and personality to do that. And long long term, yeah, 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.640 I'm old enough to remember that for a long time, 0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.360 Jimmy Carter was considered the peacemaker and he had the 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.640 piece accords at the White House, and so Trump has 0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.680 an opportunity and next year, yes, at this stage he 0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:19.399 probably will win the Nobel Peace Prize, and so things 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:21.279 will be calmer in the world and hopefully in the 0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:23.960 United States. We can carry that over into these budget 0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:28.200 these budget hearings, maybe we can get some negotiations and 0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:29.759 communication improved there. 0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:34.200 Now, Now, Dan, you said earlier, the big question is, yes, 0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:39.080 how long does this last? My opinion and thought is, 0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:43.360 of course from the Israelis point of view, it'll continue 0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:47.000 forever and unless they are bombed or fired upon. Right, 0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:51.080 so they're perfectly happy with just not messing with Amas 0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:53.680 and you guys go stay over there, We'll stay over here. 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:58.200 But so it really comes down to Palestine and Hamas, Right, 0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:01.080 do you think that they will What is their incentive, 0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:05.000 whether by force or otherwise, what is their incentive to 0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:06.000 keep this peace deal? 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:11.239 Yeah? Well, and they may feel like they want to 0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:14.359 keep peace, but there are players. There is evil in 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:17.360 the world. Then it come might be outside of Hamas 0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:20.239 and the Palestinians, and it could be someone from US, 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:24.040 you know, Iran Led or someone that's a terrorist group 0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:26.279 that has nothing to do with those, but yet who 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:30.799 will get blamed is Hamas and the Palestinians, and so 0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:34.480 Israel excellent in their intelligence in the world, as the 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:36.160 United States is. 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:36.480 Pretty good too. 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:38.920 We need to just make sure that we don't blame 0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:42.359 be quick to blame one side or the other. But 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.520 my you know, I think the world's prayers that we 0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:48.240 can have this finally be at peace. 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.000 Well, yeah, I mean you referenced it earlier. 0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.360 I mean, fighting in some form or fashion in the 0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:55.800 Middle East has been going on since the biblical times. 0:35:55.920 --> 0:36:00.279 So what role now does Donald Trump play? I mean, 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:02.359 you know, you go in there and you broke her 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:06.960 this deal. What role does he in America play in 0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:10.080 now for this to be able to sustain and continue on. 0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:15.839 Yeah, and you know they've organized a group that's going 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:19.000 to manage the process or control and Donald Trump is 0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:20.840 going to be the chairman of that. And of course, 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:23.560 I say with a smile. As a developer, he's always 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:26.080 got to twinkle in his eye because he sees that 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:30.879 that opportunity that something could be developed there, and I'm 0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:34.399 sure part of him thinks, oh, maybe his family could 0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.000 be a part of that development. And they do a 0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:39.320 good job in development, so that's possible. And if it 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:43.879 would help bring that to a quicker resolution of redevelopment, 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:45.360 then maybe that's the way to do it. But the 0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:49.840 United States has to have this calm, steady, firm hand 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:53.120 addressing all sides to keep this so it doesn't blow 0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:53.600 up again. 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.759 Well, to your point, it's going to take someone that 0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.640 is as strong as Donald Trump, if it's not himself, 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.600 you know, his predecessor, someone who is strong and respected 0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:06.680 and dare I say feared in order for this to 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:10.440 because as soon as someone you know, God forbid, steps 0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:13.239 back in the White House who's a weak person a 0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:16.239 week leader, all this stuff just ramps back up. 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:18.560 So that's I mean, that's essentially what we've got to 0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:18.880 hope for. 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:22.520 Here, Dan snows our guests here, Now, Dan, let's turn 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:25.480 back here to UH to the United States, and there's 0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:29.560 a government shutdown going on. So after Trump has negotiated 0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:33.160 this peace deal uh here in in in Gaza with Israel, 0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:35.000 what what what are some of the things he should 0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:38.360 focus on here in the unit in the United States 0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:40.239 in terms of getting the government shut down back on 0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:42.040 negotiating with the other side. 0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:42.680 How do you see it? 0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:47.640 You know, certainly, if I'm Donald Trump, I come home 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:49.760 and I say gush, if I can broke her peace 0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:54.080 in the most long standing battle of the I can. 0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:57.040 I can certainly bring people into my office and and 0:37:57.120 --> 0:38:01.239 broker and negotiate, and you know, is not a dirty where, 0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:04.040 It's not a four letter word. And I think that 0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:06.359 what the first thing has to do is we need 0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:08.439 to just get the president or someone to say, let's 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:12.520 sit around the table and let's not leave this table 0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:16.480 until we have a compromise to get things opened up. 0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.680 And the Democrats are probably asking for a little bit 0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:23.560 too much. And I think that Mike Johnson, I think 0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:25.960 some of the words that are being used to constantly 0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:28.040 blame both sides, blame each other. 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:29.240 That doesn't do any good. 0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:31.560 Just get everybody in the room and President Trump. He's 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:35.839 got momentum, right Moe is wearing red. And if momentum 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:39.000 can he can carry that into these negotiations, then I 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:40.880 think that would be another win. So he's got a 0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:42.759 win abroad, and he could have a win at home 0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:47.240 if he would be the top negotiator in his office 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:50.680 or somewhere of this budget shutdown. 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:54.440 I totally agree with you, Dan that the momentum is 0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:59.319 wearing red right now, because I think everyday Americans, I mean, 0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:01.960 are you near feeling this or you have you even 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:05.080 really thought is it have package your life? And so 0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:09.080 to me that that hands it to the majority party 0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:13.680 politically right, And I think the Democrats are sitting here 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:17.200 thinking they can maybe make political hay out of this 0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:19.799 as you turn the corner into and then you know, 0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:23.120 in the next year's election year. But I don't see 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:25.640 that happening. How about but you're the expert on the stand, 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:26.600 what do you make of that? 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.960 Well, some people might export me for this, but again, 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:34.960 but for the studies are the polls show that seventy 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:39.880 percent of Americans do believe that specifically on the case 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:45.960 of helping those that are on the government healthcare Obamacare, 0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:48.080 if you want to call it that, because I know 0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:50.400 people personally, a couple of friends of mine and my 0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:53.800 daughter is self employed that she is on that program 0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.200 and her race with what now that's going to happen. 0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.760 The reason they have to address just that right now 0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:02.319 is because if they don't address it now and they 0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.160 wait for weeks to figure that out, then the rates 0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:07.759 will go up. So they have to make a commitment 0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:11.920 that they're going to stand with the support to not 0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:14.680 increase that now that's the only thing the Democrats should 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:17.440 ask for, and forget all this other things they're asking for, 0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:20.280 but just take care of the seventy percent of Americans 0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.960 do say, hey, we think on healthcare we need to 0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:25.160 those subsidies need to stay. 0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:30.239 Yeah, But do the majority of Americans think that Americans 0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:33.160 and to say taxpayers should be paying for health care 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:36.719 for illegal aliens, The polls I've seen say they do not. 0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:42.920 Well, that's a separate issue too, The illegal aliens issue, 0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:47.000 separate from the subsidies for those Americans who are buying 0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:50.640 healthcare through the portals now through the healthcare dot gov 0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:53.839 for instance, somebody that might be paying three hundred and 0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:57.719 sixty dollars a month now it could go up to 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:02.680 six hundred seven hundred dollars if that's substantie isn't remain 0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:06.880 That's separate. That's from healthcare for your neighbors and my neighbors. 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:10.640 And probably fifteen percent of the listeners that we have 0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:13.439 here today could be on that and so the other 0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:18.600 items with regards to illegal aliens getting any type of 0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:23.799 extended healthcare. No, I don't think anybody you're right, No 0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.680 one agrees that that should take place now emergency room issue. 0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:29.080 Ronald Reagan my hero, you know right about him. In 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:31.800 the Wins of Candidate Ronald Reagan says, we won't deny 0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:35.399 somebody bleeding in an emergency room, but then then they 0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:38.560 have to leave after we've gotten them stabilized. That's one thing. 0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:41.120 But this extended care and some of the other things 0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:44.319 for different types of citizens, we need to look at that. 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.080 But first, let's just take care of the the Jimmy 0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:50.879 Jones and Sally Smith that are on healthcare dot gov. 0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:54.239 Hey man, dance now listen. We really appreciate your time. 0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:56.759 The wins some way, the wins some candidate folks want 0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:58.600 to find out more about. 0:41:58.360 --> 0:41:59.480 You and what you have going on. 0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:01.160 And I know you got a lot going on, Dan, 0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:03.520 So tell folks how they can get more in touch 0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:06.600 with you and what you have coming down the pipe. 0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:07.280 Sure. 0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:10.200 Sure, well. The books are available on Amazon or Barnes 0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:12.880 and Noble wherever they can go to the win some candidate, 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.800 they wins candidate dot com. Learn a little bit about 0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:20.600 me and my beliefs for a fresher positive start for America. 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:22.839 And I'm working on something maybe we've talked about down 0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:25.239 the road. There are probably seventy three percent of your 0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:28.399 listeners or either a single parent or have gone through 0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:30.960 divorce or in a blended family step family. I'm working 0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.960 on a national program for that that will really impact 0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:37.359 hearts in a positive way. So that's for another day. 0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:41.239 It's always good to be with WLW. You know, win 0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:44.759 some starts with WWLW. You got lots of w's there. 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:48.160 I can never go wrong being with you, Rocky and Jason, 0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:50.920 and say hi to Eddie, say hi to Cambreu. And 0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:51.960 great to be with. 0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:54.759 You guys man, Thank you so much. 0:42:55.880 --> 0:43:00.279 Okay them, Yep, you got thanks Dan, Dan Snello. He's right. 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:04.240 He breaks things down in a pretty easily understandable way. 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.640 With those stuff he does. Let's go and check some 0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:07.640 trafficking weather. 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.160 How are we looking, Jason Williams and Jason, you have 0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:13.280 a Mark Sanchez sort of kind of updated. 0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:19.200 Yes, the mother of his eight year old son has 0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:23.200 taken to Instagram and Mark Sanchez of course. 0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:27.080 Uh incident he was with he's with what Fox. 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:30.400 He was getting ready to call the game and uh 0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:33.560 got stabbed, got into an incident with someone on the 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:37.920 street at the hotel and just was released. Uh we 0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:40.760 just I saw a video of the local TV station 0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:47.040 just recently. But she has Aaron her name is She 0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:56.680 is a a UK supermodel. Aaron Campanias took to social 0:43:56.719 --> 0:44:01.359 medium basically like said that she's isn't surprised by this 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:05.239 with Mark Sanchez and that I am aware of the 0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:09.840 serious criminal charges currently facing my son's father, Mark Sanchez. 0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:14.000 My first, my foremost priority has always been and remains 0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:16.800 our eight year old son Daniel. I chose to remain 0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:20.440 silent publicly to protect him. Not everything is out in 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:24.719 the open. My focus hasn't changed. I've always been concerned 0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:28.280 for his safety and for what he is exposed to. Sadly, 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:30.920 none of this is surprising to me. 0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:34.440 Yeah, I feel like I've heard a lot of people 0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:37.040 talk about recently he has you know, he has trouble 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:40.480 with alcohol and you know that that sort of thing 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:43.719 which was a factor and the last thing, no matter 0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:47.719 what exactly the circumstances are, so yeah, I just can't. 0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:51.440 It can't be at his age, you know, two days 0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:53.960 before a game, out at twelve thirty at night, like 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:55.080 like what are you doing? 0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:55.960 Like like go. 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:59.560 Home at thirty eight years old, thirty eight years old, 0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:01.600 go back to hotel, get a good night's sleep and 0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:04.440 and do your job. So I didn't realize this, but 0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:06.759 reading the story of him and his wife for expecting 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.600 twins right now, yeah, that's not good. All right now, 0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:13.880 we will take a break. We'll come back. We have 0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:15.560 more seven hundred Wow. 0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:21.680 Five o'clock news, the one the only Dave Lapper voice up. Bengals, 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:25.840 Gonna break it all down for us and maybe preview 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:29.600 the Thursday night game. Big Thursday night game. Jason in store, 0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:35.800 Pittsburgh Steelers huge, Sorry Bengals heavy warp every team you mentioned, 0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:41.160 It's like it's your that's right. Until then, Jason, what 0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:45.960 was the the longest you've ran in one? 0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:49.360 Thirteen miles? Was my p I ran cross believe it 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:52.080 or not, Rock I ran cross country in high school. 0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:52.759 I don't believe it. 0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:56.560 I did just kidding, it was all It was only 0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:58.080 to get ready for basketball. 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:02.200 So is that officially half marathon? Thirteen months? That would 0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:02.399 have been? 0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:05.120 That was like my PR We had a PR day 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:07.120 every year, And that was the most I ever did 0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:07.880 in one run. 0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:10.919 Well, you got me be because honestly, the most I've 0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:16.320 ever run in one instance is probably about five miles. 0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:17.640 That's good. I was a Saint accent. 0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:23.040 Tracks we ran, you know, I you know, down North 0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:25.400 Bend Road there and you know, all the way and 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:27.560 then you know, back up the hill, back up the hill. 0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:30.440 The whole thing was a grind. Yeah, but no, I've 0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:33.560 never been a good at distance guy. I've you know, 0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:36.400 in sprint, never been a good distance guy. But uh, 0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:40.880 by the way, if you have ran a significant amount 0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:46.000 of distance in one sitting, call the show five one, three, seven, four, nine, 0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:49.200 seven thousand, because I'm about to tell you about history 0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:53.919 being made Jason. In the world of ultra marathoning. These 0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:58.040 are sounds like a blast marathons that are like over 0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:00.839 two hundred miles and like okay, and this this guy 0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:04.719 named Killian Course, Okay, and he just won the Moab 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:10.239 to forty Okay, which, as the name states, is a 0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:12.000 two hundred and forty mile. 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:14.319 Run to a forty mile run. 0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:20.080 Yes, Holy yes, And the he did two hundred forty 0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:25.040 miles in two days, three hours, in twenty eight minutes. 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:27.160 That's the amount of time he was running. 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:31.400 Now, he during the course of those two days he 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:34.520 stopped for a grand total of seven hours and twelve minutes. 0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:38.840 But but but running, he was running for a grand. 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:41.399 Total of a course of two two plus days, two days, 0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:45.800 three hours, twenty eight minutes. Okay, now he has actually 0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:49.360 won the triple crown of Ultra marathoning. 0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:59.040 Okay, he won the why why why? Uh See? 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:03.440 He ran the Tahoe two hundred durance race in fifty 0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:08.080 two hours, forty minutes and fifty two seconds. He ran 0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:12.160 the Big Foot two hundred endurance race that's about two 0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:15.239 hundred and eight miles, has an elevation game of of 0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:19.200 forty five thousand feet, did that in forty five hours, 0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:23.000 three minutes, forty one seconds, and he only won that 0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:25.600 race by forty two minutes. And then he lastly won 0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:29.840 the Moab two forty So that's a grand total of 0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:34.880 four hundred and eight point one miles, grabbing the the 0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:35.640 triple crown. 0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:39.439 So, and we have called, and you have answered, Let's 0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:40.080 go to the phones. 0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:43.279 Let's go to Connie in the great area of town 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:45.480 Cleaves where I used to live. And now, Connie, you 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:47.720 are an ultra marathon or is that correct? 0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:51.520 I am in on the west side and there are 0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:55.160 actually many ultrarunners in Cincinnati. 0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:57.759 Really, so there's like a whole like, yes, group of 0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.600 you guys you guys that are crazy insane. 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:04.040 Yes, And the crazy thing is it starts to become 0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:07.080 normal when you hang around in a group like this, 0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:09.040 and it's actually not normal. 0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:12.520 No, it's not normal at all. So how did you 0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:14.800 find out? How did you like run cross country? 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:15.120 So? 0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:18.160 How did you find out you wanted to run one 0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:20.279 hundred plus miles at a time kind of thing? 0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:24.360 Which I actually have and it's a painful sport. But 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:27.759 I think most people around here would say that they 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:32.279 started doing, you know, road marathons, and then started hearing 0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:35.160 about this trail running and then you just kind of 0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:36.360 get sucked into it. 0:49:36.600 --> 0:49:37.240 Is what happens. 0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:41.040 It show sounds like addicting, almost like you're just well, 0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:45.720 it's it, yeah, energy, you know runners, high runners high yeah, adrelline. 0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:47.959 Run well yeah sort of. So then you're like, okay, 0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:50.320 twenty six point two, and then you're like, oh a 0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:53.640 fifty k well that's thirty one, and then oh a 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:56.800 fifty miler and then wait a minute, one hundred miler 0:49:56.920 --> 0:49:58.600 and then it gets really crazy. I mean, do you 0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:01.120 guys know there's like three hundred milers now. 0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:03.160 Oh my god, Well it's like the one of the 0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:05.960 two forty was it the MOAB two forty Yeah, yep, 0:50:06.080 --> 0:50:09.360 So that's that's like running from Cincinnati to Cleveland. Cleveland's 0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:11.840 two hundred and forty nine miles from Cincinnati. It's almost 0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:12.480 as space. 0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:16.160 Right, So there's that triple crown of two hundreds which 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:20.160 you just mentioned, but then this monster came along last year, 0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:23.000 which is three hundred and the interest. The thing that 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:27.280 people don't know about it maybe is it's very expensive 0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:28.279 to do something like that. 0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:30.120 So explain that. 0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:32.439 Do you have like a team of people that meet 0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:35.240 you and give you water while you're running or sandwich 0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:36.279 or how's that work? 0:50:37.520 --> 0:50:42.279 So crewe and pacers. So crewe are people like you know, 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:45.799 for Rocky, maybe your friend Jonathan or something would come 0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:49.480 and be with you at these aid stations and help 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:52.520 you out. But then a pacer is someone who would 0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:55.640 actually be with you on the course, doing it with you, 0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:59.240 keeping you company overnight so that you don't fall asleep 0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:00.200 and that kind of stuff off. 0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:03.440 So wait, what wouldn't it be the other way around then? 0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:06.560 Like or is is a pac or something with that 0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:09.640 is the pacer running or is it or on a bike? 0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:13.279 No, the pacer is run like for this Moab two 0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:17.440 forty the pacer is with the runner for probably the 0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:20.400 last one hundred miles. Let's say they're allowed to jump. 0:51:20.320 --> 0:51:20.799 In and pace. 0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:22.799 Oh so they're not with you the entire time. 0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:28.080 No, it's usually like halfway through us I can jump 0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:29.360 in and be with you. 0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:32.359 Yeah, But like multiple pacers come right, and their job 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:36.800 is to run at a whatever the standard is for 0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:39.120 a shorter amount of time, right, and keep you up 0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:43.080 to that, and then maybe another one comes in right, yes, or. 0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:45.440 If you're a good runner, like you know, there's a 0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:47.719 lot of good Cincinnati runners, maybe they jump in with 0:51:47.840 --> 0:51:51.080 you for a whole fifty miles or one hundred miles 0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:52.520 or something like that. It just depends. 0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:55.480 Now, explain to us conne if you can, like, like 0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:59.520 just from a biological standpoint, like what happens to your 0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:03.560 body from experience as you're running, is I mean your knees, 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:07.440 your hips, your ankle, is your feet, Like, tell me 0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:08.080 all the things. 0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:08.520 That go on there. 0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:13.680 I actually just did this yesterday in Indiana, and it's 0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:16.759 all fun and games at one hundred let's say, until 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:19.759 the last thirty miles and then you just kind of 0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:21.480 get a little tired of the whole thing. But what 0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:24.520 people don't talk about too is the recovery from it 0:52:25.160 --> 0:52:26.200 that takes a few days. 0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:29.560 I imagine what's the part of your body that takes 0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:30.360 the most damage? 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:34.000 Though it sort of depends on what the weather is 0:52:34.160 --> 0:52:36.160 maybe that day, you know, is it muddy as heck? 0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:36.839 Is it dry? 0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:39.759 But a lot of times it's your feet, especially if 0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:43.400 it's raining. You really got to try to You're trying 0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:45.920 to put out a lot of fires. You know, if 0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:49.400 you're running for thirty hours, let's say on one hundred miler, 0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:51.240 you're putting out a lot of fires. 0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:55.640 So are there rules about you know, you can stop 0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:58.279 and take because you're talking about the mo ab to 0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:00.560 forty and I know that's not a hundred, Like that's 0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:01.320 double that? 0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:04.000 Are you ab is like five days? 0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:04.279 Yeah? 0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:06.440 So are you you're allowed to stop or like what 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:07.400 are the rules around that? 0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:10.040 I assume there's rules around that, Right You're allowed to 0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:13.040 stop for only X amount of time at X amount 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:13.560 of points? 0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:16.680 Or is it just you can do your own. 0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:21.880 Pace at a race like that? There are actually sleep stations, okay, 0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:23.800 where you know they have all this great food for 0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:26.040 you that they cook, but you can actually take a 0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:29.319 nap for you know, whatever three hours, but in one 0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:31.920 hundred mile or let's say, if you're a slower runner, 0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:34.560 you don't have time to take a nap. You're running 0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:37.800 from like six in the morning to say noon in 0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:40.759 the next day, which is can be a long way 0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:41.319 long time. 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:44.600 So you have done one hundred miles, so you've run 0:53:44.760 --> 0:53:46.720 for what over twenty four hours? 0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:49.880 Well, I have, but again there are a lot of 0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:52.719 people way better than me in Cincinnati. But you just 0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:54.800 you know, I guess we all just kind of have 0:53:54.880 --> 0:53:56.360 a passion for it, really, which is. 0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:56.880 What you need. 0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:02.640 Kind This is great radio. 0:54:02.719 --> 0:54:05.920 No, I much respect to you because that's something I 0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:08.680 feel like I can. There's a lot of things I 0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:11.239 can and will do that will never be one of them. 0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:14.360 I could never approach it. I have the utmost respect 0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:15.279 for anybody that can. 0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:18.759 To me, it's not the physical side would would be 0:54:18.880 --> 0:54:22.960 absolutely growing, but mentally to do that and keep your 0:54:23.080 --> 0:54:25.960 mind clear, and that would be the thing I think 0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:27.440 that would attack a lot of people. 0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:31.600 Yes, well, but obviously you were in the NFL, so 0:54:31.800 --> 0:54:33.520 you know about the mental Come on now. 0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:36.680 Yeah, but at games three and a half hours, not 0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:38.000 three days. 0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:40.360 Say, I'm in daily journalism, I know about the mental 0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:43.560 Yeah right, yeah, well look. 0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:45.320 I respect both of you. I love the show. I 0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:48.759 listen every day, and ultra running is a crazy thing, 0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:51.520 but it's just it's a hobby like anything else, and 0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:52.880 everybody has different hobbies. 0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:54.759 Well, Connie, listen. 0:54:54.840 --> 0:54:57.360 We really appreciate you calling and sharing your story with us, 0:54:57.440 --> 0:55:00.440 and God bless you that that is truly true, very 0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:00.960 very cool. 0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:02.399 Thank you you both. 0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:03.600 You both take care bright. 0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:06.760 Thank you Connie. That was awesome. That was great. 0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:07.040 I know. 0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:09.920 I love what Connie back for the next time they 0:55:10.000 --> 0:55:10.759 do big ye. 0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:14.200 Run or yeah Connie, next whatever, the next ultra marathon 0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:17.839 race coming up is call the show in a couple 0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:19.920 of days a week before we'll talk. 0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:22.520 To you about and the whole thing. 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:25.800 We could have kept her because I had more question 0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:28.560 like well here, here, let's go to Cincinnati and talk 0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:31.520 to John. John, there's someone you know that was a 0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:33.760 like a distance runner Ultra Marathon. 0:55:35.640 --> 0:55:38.120 I didn't know her personally, but she taught my daughter 0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:40.400 how to swim at the Blue Ash Why and I 0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:44.840 think that's about thirteen miles to downtown and she and 0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:47.120 he and they lived a little bit further out than 0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:50.400 that even but she would run with her girlfriend to 0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:54.720 the marathon, run the whole marathon, twenty six miles whatever, 0:55:54.920 --> 0:55:56.040 and then run back. 0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:57.239 Run back home. 0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:01.840 I was like, fifty two fifty two plus miles. 0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:03.960 Wow, she was a little thing. 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:08.680 She was as probably as close to anarexic other than 0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:10.440 being anorexic. 0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:13.200 Right, I mean she she was so skinny. Couldn't believe it. 0:56:13.760 --> 0:56:18.239 She's probably in her twenties, you know, firefoot maybe, I 0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:20.080 mean she's well. 0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:22.600 Yeah, and John, thank you. 0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:28.719 You can't be a big gallery guy and run a marathon, 0:56:29.080 --> 0:56:30.320 especially in ultra marathon. 0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:33.719 I thought my little cross country runs were her feet. 0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:34.560 I loved it. 0:56:35.480 --> 0:56:37.440 I'm just telling a dad this. He coaches with me 0:56:37.440 --> 0:56:40.359 and his younger son runs a cross country I was like, yeah, 0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:42.680 those are a lot of cross country meets are a 0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:44.400 lot of fun. And I said this when I was 0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:47.840 a kid growing up, I loved everything about cross country 0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:48.600 except the running. 0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:51.000 The meats are black. 0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:51.279 See. 0:56:51.320 --> 0:56:54.439 But to me, I have a vivid memory of being 0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:58.000 at football practice at st. Ex High School and being 0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:00.279 out there and seeing the cross country runners and you 0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:02.200 see one, and then you know, you have like forty 0:57:02.239 --> 0:57:04.120 five minutes of practice and you see the guy again. 0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:05.560 And I always thought to him. 0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:07.759 I always had the utmost respect for those guys because 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:09.640 I could never do it, and I thought to myself 0:57:10.680 --> 0:57:14.640 the bigger challenges in football. There's different stuff you work on, 0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:17.280 like like on Wednesday you work on first and ten 0:57:17.440 --> 0:57:20.240 and then you work on red zone and at cross 0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:24.160 country practice show all yeah, and the coach says, guess what. 0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:24.880 We're gonna do today. 0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:28.800 Guys, We're gonna guess what we're doing tomorrow, run and 0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:30.600 then the next day run yeah. 0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:31.960 So again, just. 0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:37.440 Every single day, that's what you're doing. Mad respect, Mad respect. 0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:42.360 All right, let's go ahead and check some All right, 0:57:42.360 --> 0:57:45.840 Welcome back to News Radio seven hundred WL. You're rocking 0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:48.440 alongside Jason Williams. Coming up after the top of the 0:57:48.520 --> 0:57:51.720 hour news lap, we'll join us to break it all 0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:56.200 down the Bengals game yesterday. We got about a minute here, Jason. 0:57:56.480 --> 0:57:59.640 There's been some breaking news involved in Cleveland Browns. 0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:02.960 Justin thanks for our news guy Jack Cromley for popping 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:05.680 in learning this to this is that the Cleveland Browns 0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:09.360 owners Jimmy and d Haslam, have reached a one hundred 0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:13.360 million dollars settlement with the city of Cleveland to officially 0:58:14.600 --> 0:58:18.040 move the team from Cleveland out to the suburbs brook 0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:22.720 Park by the airport there in Cleveland. Yeah, they've already 0:58:22.720 --> 0:58:25.040 cleared so many other hurdles, but this was one where, 0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:29.120 you know, there's a lot of little bureaucratic things, a 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:31.640 silly Modell wall that says you couldn't move a team 0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:34.120 after Art Modell moved the team to Baltimore, and even 0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:36.320 you couldn't move a team from you know, a city 0:58:36.440 --> 0:58:39.000 out to even the same region in a suburb. I 0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:42.680 knew that was really a nothing burger. But ultimately the 0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:46.080 Haslms have agreed over three decades to pay one hundred 0:58:46.120 --> 0:58:49.680 million dollars. The first payment will become this December of 0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:52.720 twenty five million, and that is to tear down the 0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:57.280 current stadium and redevelop that area where the stadium is 0:58:57.400 --> 0:59:01.840 right now on the lake front there Cleveland. So it'll 0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:04.720 pay one hundred million dollars hundred million dollars just to 0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:07.880 be able to move the stadium, just to be able 0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:11.840 to move to their suburban two point four billion billion 0:59:12.120 --> 0:59:17.120 dollars stadium covered stadium out by Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, 0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:20.040 brook Park, Ohio. 0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:22.760 How we looking, I don't know exactly where that is But. 0:59:25.480 --> 0:59:27.600 If you're if you if you're if you're looking, if 0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:31.120 you're on seventy one going north, you know you're looking 0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:34.280 at fifteen twenty minutes out of downtown, still in Cuyahoga County. 0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:35.120 It's just right there. 0:59:35.360 --> 0:59:35.480 You know. 0:59:35.640 --> 0:59:38.640 It's it's still the it's still Greater Cleveland area. It's 0:59:38.760 --> 0:59:42.360 just a bigger suburban area where you can big, big 0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:46.440 lots of acreage to build township like Liberty Township. 0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:48.760 That's exactly right. You'll get some more updates on that 0:59:49.160 --> 0:59:51.840 as the days go on. But right now, the news 0:59:51.880 --> 0:59:56.000 seven hundred WLW right at the gate at three o'clock. 0:59:56.120 --> 0:59:58.320 But it wouldn't be a Monday if we didn't check 0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:00.280 in with our next guest, the one, the only, the 1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:03.240 voice of the Bengals, Dave Lap, him and get his 1:00:03.440 --> 1:00:05.680 opinion on what transpired yesterday. 1:00:05.800 --> 1:00:06.000 Lap. 1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:08.960 How are you, guys? How the heck you doing today? 1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:10.560 Having a good day? I hope. 1:00:12.240 --> 1:00:13.560 To hear you good one, Lap. 1:00:13.680 --> 1:00:16.000 Now, I've I listened to you, listen to you a 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:18.400 lot over the year's Lap, and you're often fond of 1:00:19.000 --> 1:00:22.200 talking about a tale of two halves, right, and that 1:00:22.840 --> 1:00:25.920 game yesterday, Lap was the personification of a tail of 1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:29.600 two halves from I mean, it'side the offense. The defense 1:00:29.720 --> 1:00:32.680 was pretty good, first half, offense not good, and then 1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:35.080 they switched. But either way it ended in the result 1:00:35.160 --> 1:00:37.280 it did, which was a Bengals fourth straight loss. 1:00:38.000 --> 1:00:41.560 Yeah, four straight losses. That that's a butt kicker, no 1:00:41.760 --> 1:00:44.480 question about that. I don't think the football team expected 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:46.920 to go on a four game losing streak at this 1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:49.640 stage of the season. There's no doubt about that. And 1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:52.520 what the biggest problem is, like you say, it's it's 1:00:52.640 --> 1:00:55.320 non complimentary football. You know, they're just not playing a 1:00:55.400 --> 1:00:58.680 complete game. One side of the football is not supporting 1:00:58.720 --> 1:01:01.920 the other. When one side struggles, the other is not 1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:05.240 there to lift them, and uh and vice versas. So 1:01:05.520 --> 1:01:08.360 until they get that figured out, until they start playing 1:01:08.400 --> 1:01:11.880 a complete football game and on a series by serious 1:01:11.880 --> 1:01:13.920 snap by snap basis, they're gonna be in trouble. 1:01:14.400 --> 1:01:17.160 And now Lapp I thought, and I'm sure you did too. 1:01:17.280 --> 1:01:21.360 Flaco played great as he got, you know, more comfortable 1:01:21.400 --> 1:01:24.880 in a very short quick amount of time. Was pedestrian 1:01:25.000 --> 1:01:28.240 the first half, which is understandable because of a short 1:01:28.240 --> 1:01:30.760 amount of time with a team. Second half, he was 1:01:30.760 --> 1:01:33.720 great twenty one to thirty and seventy nine yards, two tds, 1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:34.960 no interceptions. 1:01:35.400 --> 1:01:38.040 I wanted to ask you this though, Lap, What's what's 1:01:38.120 --> 1:01:42.400 your experience as alignman playing with different quarterbacks, Like one 1:01:42.680 --> 1:01:44.960 one week you're playing with this guy, next week you're 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:47.560 playing with that guy. Is there a difference in how 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:49.720 the line plays or their mentality? 1:01:51.000 --> 1:01:53.680 That's good question, Rock. I mean, it's I have done that, 1:01:53.960 --> 1:01:57.360 and you know Kenny Anderson and Perk showing it. This 1:01:57.440 --> 1:02:00.520 was the first situation that I experienced that way, and 1:02:00.800 --> 1:02:03.680 it is it's different. There's an adjustment. There's an adjustment 1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:06.080 for the offensive line. There's an adjustment for the quarterback 1:02:06.440 --> 1:02:10.000 playing with that offensive line. You know, the cadence that 1:02:10.120 --> 1:02:14.560 the quarterback has is different. His his voice is different, 1:02:15.960 --> 1:02:18.920 the emphasis on whatever part of the cadence is different. 1:02:19.520 --> 1:02:23.080 And there's there's pauses, you know, different pauses in the 1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:26.520 cadence that that you know, make it it sound different. 1:02:26.600 --> 1:02:29.600 So it's it's not as easy as people think. It's 1:02:29.600 --> 1:02:32.320 not just roll out of bed and go play quarter 1:02:32.640 --> 1:02:35.080 Go play as an offensive line in front of a 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:38.480 quarterback that you never played with before, and it's it's 1:02:39.000 --> 1:02:41.600 the timing of the fluidity is just out there. You know, 1:02:41.680 --> 1:02:44.280 it's not it's not as smooth that as it should be. 1:02:44.960 --> 1:02:49.080 And I thought, like you that boy once once Joe 1:02:49.160 --> 1:02:52.360 Flacco got his sea legs under him. Uh, he played 1:02:52.480 --> 1:02:55.240 very well, and I thought, you know, he gave them 1:02:55.240 --> 1:02:57.960 a chance to win, honestly in the second half in particular, 1:02:58.440 --> 1:03:01.120 and uh, you know, defense, special teams, the other two 1:03:01.120 --> 1:03:02.720 phases just didn't step up enough. 1:03:03.800 --> 1:03:04.800 Yeah, I laugh. 1:03:04.880 --> 1:03:08.160 I think there's i know, in the middle of a 1:03:08.440 --> 1:03:11.280 four game losing streak, but just looking at Joe Flacco 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:14.200 and the front office going out and getting him and 1:03:14.280 --> 1:03:16.440 then what he did there in the second half, obviously 1:03:16.560 --> 1:03:22.680 making that adjustment fifteen completions to the two big stars, 1:03:22.880 --> 1:03:25.960 Chase and Higgins, the guy he can find those guys 1:03:26.040 --> 1:03:28.160 didn't do the interception. There's a lot I think can 1:03:28.280 --> 1:03:32.360 be taken from this with Joe Flacco moving forward, especially 1:03:32.360 --> 1:03:34.040 here in a short week as they turn around, they're 1:03:34.040 --> 1:03:37.720 going to come home for three games. There's a silver 1:03:37.840 --> 1:03:40.760 lying there right with him, and that there's hope for 1:03:40.840 --> 1:03:42.960 this offense to kind of get back going. Maybe not 1:03:42.960 --> 1:03:46.480 at the level of Joe Burrow, but certainly, you know, 1:03:47.280 --> 1:03:49.400 get it going and it could be solid. 1:03:50.560 --> 1:03:53.240 I agree Jase, there's no question that it could be solid, 1:03:53.320 --> 1:03:58.160 you know, and you look at it. He had no turnovers, 1:03:58.960 --> 1:04:02.480 didn't throw an interception, didn't didn't lose the football, didn't 1:04:02.480 --> 1:04:05.400 fumble it. Neither did any of his teammates in the 1:04:06.000 --> 1:04:08.960 running back positioning tight end or a wide receiver spot. 1:04:09.560 --> 1:04:12.320 But you know, that's that's uh that's that's pretty good. 1:04:12.400 --> 1:04:16.760 That's that's pretty good ball. And you know, not taking 1:04:16.800 --> 1:04:19.280 a quarterback sack as big, you know, you don't. You 1:04:19.360 --> 1:04:23.040 don't put yourself in a uh in you know, down 1:04:23.120 --> 1:04:27.280 on distance problem, and that's good for the offensive coordinator 1:04:27.320 --> 1:04:30.120 or play caller and everybody involved there as well. So 1:04:30.720 --> 1:04:34.080 I think that uh, I thought he played again well 1:04:34.200 --> 1:04:37.280 enough to win. I thought he played winning football, particularly 1:04:37.320 --> 1:04:39.200 in the second half. And I just don't think that 1:04:39.840 --> 1:04:43.080 the other phases UH were were up to the task. 1:04:43.200 --> 1:04:47.720 I mean, inconsistency is uh is their biggest problem. I mean, 1:04:47.760 --> 1:04:50.960 it's kind of their their calling card so far this season, 1:04:51.000 --> 1:04:54.360 you know, I mean, they they just have not on 1:04:54.480 --> 1:04:57.320 a on a quarter by quarter basis, half by half basis, 1:04:57.400 --> 1:05:01.880 even series by series basis giving you the same type 1:05:01.920 --> 1:05:03.480 of performance well. 1:05:03.320 --> 1:05:06.680 Well to your point lap. I mean, so going to 1:05:06.720 --> 1:05:09.720 halftime as ten to nothing Packers. Bengals get the ball 1:05:09.840 --> 1:05:12.320 coming out of the third quarter and they get in 1:05:12.440 --> 1:05:15.880 an absolute groove right seventeen play drive, they have a 1:05:15.960 --> 1:05:19.480 third down conversion, a fourth down conversion for the touchdown. 1:05:19.880 --> 1:05:22.920 Obviously, okay, boom, it's ten to seven field goal game. 1:05:23.000 --> 1:05:25.320 We're in this thing. The Packers get the ball and 1:05:25.600 --> 1:05:27.040 just mo right down the field. 1:05:27.040 --> 1:05:30.440 Boom boom, boom bom boom, touchdown right, So like okay, 1:05:30.480 --> 1:05:33.560 all right, and then the Bengals, to their credit, get 1:05:33.640 --> 1:05:36.720 the ball back again right and drive down the field. 1:05:36.800 --> 1:05:41.360 Now it's what seventeen to seventeen ten, They get a 1:05:41.400 --> 1:05:44.240 field goal and the Packers just march right back down 1:05:44.280 --> 1:05:45.720 the field. Now it's twenty four to ten. 1:05:46.280 --> 1:05:51.200 It's just there was no the defense, especially without Trey Henderson, 1:05:51.400 --> 1:05:52.680 was just nowhere to be found. 1:05:53.480 --> 1:05:57.800 Yeah, I mean, there just was not any conpmary football 1:05:57.920 --> 1:06:01.000 being played, you know. I mean, it's like, oh, hey, 1:06:01.800 --> 1:06:04.480 the uh the offense for sleepwalking, but it woke up. 1:06:04.560 --> 1:06:06.960 But now the defense is in a trance. Man, what 1:06:07.080 --> 1:06:09.000 the heck? How about if we try to get both 1:06:09.040 --> 1:06:11.960 phases playing well together at the same time, and and 1:06:12.080 --> 1:06:14.560 you you mentioned Trey Henderson. I mean, that's a blow 1:06:15.160 --> 1:06:17.600 man and a back injury. You know, you just never 1:06:17.720 --> 1:06:21.120 know what backs, uh is it? Is it a spinal 1:06:21.960 --> 1:06:24.800 column issue? Is it a vertebrae issue? You know, you 1:06:24.960 --> 1:06:27.400 just you just don't know about those things. And hopefully 1:06:27.440 --> 1:06:30.600 it's nothing that serious. Hopefully he just maybe you know, 1:06:30.760 --> 1:06:33.320 sprained a muscle in his back or some kind of 1:06:33.360 --> 1:06:37.040 a soft tissue injury back there or whatever. But man, 1:06:37.760 --> 1:06:41.600 you know, I've I've I've seen teammates struggle, uh, dealing 1:06:41.640 --> 1:06:43.960 with back issues and all of a sudden, you know, 1:06:44.280 --> 1:06:46.360 you have starting to feel pretty good and then boom it, 1:06:46.800 --> 1:06:50.480 you have a setback. So sometimes those things can be 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:53.520 very very difficult to get get over and deal with. 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:58.320 You know, you guys talked about just a little bit 1:06:58.400 --> 1:07:01.880 ago about the offensive line, no sacks for Joe Flak. 1:07:01.920 --> 1:07:05.360 I keep onaning to say, bro Joe Flacco, Right, Yeah, 1:07:05.400 --> 1:07:09.120 the offensive line has been maligned and but you know, 1:07:09.280 --> 1:07:11.439 and I know that the struggles of running the ball. 1:07:11.600 --> 1:07:15.760 But again, yet another positive I think out of yesterday 1:07:16.000 --> 1:07:19.120 was the no sacks. But was there something that was 1:07:19.160 --> 1:07:22.800 there a change that you saw in that unit yesterday 1:07:23.120 --> 1:07:26.919 that some kind of a tweak or something that helped 1:07:26.920 --> 1:07:27.840 them to perform better. 1:07:29.160 --> 1:07:31.480 I think I think Flacco helps him really. I mean 1:07:31.640 --> 1:07:34.240 he get rid of the ball like quickly right now. 1:07:34.400 --> 1:07:37.840 I mean he was making very quick reads, quick decisions, 1:07:37.880 --> 1:07:39.720 and the ball was out. I mean if if he 1:07:39.840 --> 1:07:42.240 had it in his hand over two and a half seconds, 1:07:42.280 --> 1:07:45.360 that was an upset, you know. And and that's gonna 1:07:45.680 --> 1:07:49.120 offensive lineman appreciate that, believe me. I mean they're they're 1:07:50.520 --> 1:07:58.000 around quarterbacks. Yeah, they're loving life there, so uh it's 1:07:58.040 --> 1:08:00.760 going to be you know interesting. I do think that 1:08:00.880 --> 1:08:03.800 the offensive line is playing better on a on a 1:08:03.840 --> 1:08:06.880 week to week basis. I think Scott Peters is helping, 1:08:07.400 --> 1:08:11.320 you know, them get the thing in sync. You know, 1:08:11.720 --> 1:08:15.560 not not five components of the offensive line playing individually, 1:08:15.640 --> 1:08:17.519 but you have to play as a unit. It's like 1:08:17.600 --> 1:08:20.200 a fist, you know. You just you curl the four 1:08:20.280 --> 1:08:22.880 fingers four fingers and wrap the thumb and it's just 1:08:22.960 --> 1:08:26.600 an involuntary reaction. It just happens, you know, naturally. And 1:08:26.720 --> 1:08:29.320 that's when a good offensive line is is is in 1:08:29.479 --> 1:08:32.400 rhythm and flowing smoothly. I mean, that's that's what you're 1:08:32.560 --> 1:08:36.120 that's what it's like to play and and and even 1:08:36.720 --> 1:08:39.920 just breaking it down to right and left side. Right guard, 1:08:40.080 --> 1:08:43.439 right tackle working together, left guard, left tackle working together. 1:08:44.080 --> 1:08:46.439 Uh you know, you take it for granted when it's 1:08:46.520 --> 1:08:48.800 going well, but it takes a while to get that 1:08:49.000 --> 1:08:54.320 kind of that kind of chemistry going between offensive linemen. So, uh, 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:57.479 you know, if I just think as the season goes on, 1:08:57.560 --> 1:08:59.639 it's going to continue to improve, I don't think there's 1:08:59.640 --> 1:09:02.200 gonna be a regression there. I don't think Scott Peters 1:09:02.240 --> 1:09:06.000 would allow that. So I'm I'm optimistic that you know, 1:09:06.120 --> 1:09:08.280 the Bengals will play better as an offensive line, Joe 1:09:08.360 --> 1:09:11.640 Flacco's numbers will be consistently better, and uh, you know, 1:09:11.760 --> 1:09:14.040 they'll they'll run the football and pass the football and 1:09:14.120 --> 1:09:18.200 have a balanced offensive attack a lot. 1:09:18.280 --> 1:09:20.400 But a guy on the Bengals defense he didn't see 1:09:20.520 --> 1:09:24.479 much of was was Logan Wilson And and I didn't 1:09:24.479 --> 1:09:26.240 really notice it all at the time, but kind of 1:09:26.280 --> 1:09:30.160 going back and watching it, you know, Barrett Carter, uh right. 1:09:30.280 --> 1:09:31.720 He stepped in for him, but I didn't know he 1:09:31.800 --> 1:09:34.040 got sixty one snaps? Is that correct? 1:09:34.080 --> 1:09:34.120 That? 1:09:34.320 --> 1:09:37.479 Did I see that correctly? The rookie linebacker draft pick 1:09:37.560 --> 1:09:37.840 this year? 1:09:38.560 --> 1:09:40.599 Yeah, I think he did you know, and they were 1:09:40.920 --> 1:09:44.120 the Bengals. Al Golden decided that he was going to 1:09:44.160 --> 1:09:46.760 try to change things up from a schematic standpoint in 1:09:46.920 --> 1:09:50.160 terms of the numbers of linebackers and defensive lineman he 1:09:50.240 --> 1:09:52.800 had out there. You know, he was going four to 1:09:52.880 --> 1:09:56.000 three some uh four three four and then and then 1:09:56.080 --> 1:09:59.360 five two four as well, and and kind of changing 1:09:59.400 --> 1:10:03.559 that up, and even within within one series one set 1:10:03.640 --> 1:10:07.880 of downs, he'd have both of those configurations out there 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:11.519 on the field, trying to confuse the quarterback and slow down, 1:10:12.080 --> 1:10:14.320 you know, the operation a little bit and and have 1:10:14.479 --> 1:10:18.200 some confusion with the offensive lineman in terms of, you know, 1:10:18.400 --> 1:10:22.240 not feeling real secure and real you know, real confident 1:10:22.360 --> 1:10:24.360 what they were doing in terms of making calls and 1:10:24.880 --> 1:10:28.400 and and and protecting and getting that run blocking uh 1:10:29.080 --> 1:10:32.040 uh game called properly and all the things that go 1:10:32.120 --> 1:10:36.200 along with that. So but Logan Wilson got very very 1:10:36.280 --> 1:10:38.400 few snaps and Carter good a bunch. 1:10:38.439 --> 1:10:44.320 There's no question lap off off off topic, but you 1:10:44.400 --> 1:10:44.960 know you're you. 1:10:45.200 --> 1:10:48.480 You work with Dan hard on Sundays or great ambassador 1:10:48.880 --> 1:10:53.200 uh for your organization, for the Bengals organization, and uh 1:10:53.320 --> 1:10:55.519 great at breaking the games down the radio did you 1:10:55.600 --> 1:10:58.120 get to know the guy who worked with with Dan 1:10:58.240 --> 1:11:01.240 for so many saturdays, you know, on the same radio 1:11:01.320 --> 1:11:04.240 station and Jim Kelly and great ambassador for the university. 1:11:04.280 --> 1:11:06.240 Did you get to know him at all over the years. 1:11:06.320 --> 1:11:08.360 I did, Yeah, I did. I did get to know 1:11:08.800 --> 1:11:11.920 Jim Kelly a little bit. I mean he he was 1:11:12.000 --> 1:11:15.320 a great ambassador for UC. And that's just a great family. 1:11:15.400 --> 1:11:20.320 That's a family of h you know, unbelievable success from 1:11:20.320 --> 1:11:23.519 an athletic standpoint, and and then just good people. I 1:11:23.560 --> 1:11:27.760 mean they're just solid, solid Cincinnati citizens as touched as such, 1:11:27.840 --> 1:11:31.320 they've made the community a much better, much better place 1:11:31.400 --> 1:11:34.960 to be. And what a what a sad, sad story. 1:11:35.479 --> 1:11:39.599 I mean, cancer, that insidious disease. Man, it's it's taken 1:11:39.680 --> 1:11:43.200 so many lives. There's probably all the people listening, there's 1:11:43.240 --> 1:11:46.360 probably not one of them from a family standpoint that 1:11:46.920 --> 1:11:49.360 you know, can say, yeah, we've we've never never been 1:11:49.400 --> 1:11:52.480 stricken by the disease. I mean, it seems to get everybody. 1:11:53.000 --> 1:11:56.920 And uh, it's thoughts and prayers and all that go 1:11:57.040 --> 1:11:58.519 out to the Kelly family for sure. 1:11:59.240 --> 1:12:00.360 A lot before you go. 1:12:00.680 --> 1:12:03.080 And by the way, very very well said about Jim 1:12:03.200 --> 1:12:07.479 Kelly before we let you go, though, Steelers, you know, 1:12:07.600 --> 1:12:10.240 quick turn around here Thursday night here at home. 1:12:11.040 --> 1:12:13.800 Steelers have won three straight. In the early thoughts on 1:12:14.120 --> 1:12:15.000 Pittsburgh here. 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:27.160 Yeah, I hate him, yeah, you know, but uh, you know, 1:12:27.280 --> 1:12:29.320 Mike Tomlin, A tip of the cap to that guy. 1:12:29.400 --> 1:12:32.200 I mean, what what a career he's had. And he's 1:12:32.320 --> 1:12:35.720 just a quality human being. He's an outstanding individual. There's 1:12:35.800 --> 1:12:39.200 there's no question about the leader of men. Everybody that's 1:12:39.240 --> 1:12:42.200 played for Mike Tomlin feels like they're a better person 1:12:42.280 --> 1:12:44.840 for having done so. He's just he's just one of 1:12:44.920 --> 1:12:46.640 those guys that you meet during the course of your 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:49.560 life that that changes it, you know, and changed it 1:12:49.680 --> 1:12:53.479 from to a from a positive standpoint, there's no no 1:12:53.600 --> 1:12:56.599 two ways about that. But yeah, they've they've got everything. 1:12:56.640 --> 1:13:00.479 Pittsburgh solid as always, you know. I mean, they they 1:13:00.560 --> 1:13:02.479 can they can run it, they can throw it. 1:13:03.080 --> 1:13:03.200 Uh. 1:13:03.520 --> 1:13:06.960 Defensively, they get after it. They've got you know, one 1:13:07.000 --> 1:13:11.160 of the one of the longest tenured players with his 1:13:11.280 --> 1:13:14.280 football team on the defensive side in the National Football League, 1:13:14.320 --> 1:13:17.880 and Cam Hayward. That guy's a stud man, he's a playmaker, 1:13:18.240 --> 1:13:20.880 he's a he's a nuisance he's a problem. You gotta 1:13:20.880 --> 1:13:24.160 you gotta put four hands and four eyeballs on that 1:13:24.320 --> 1:13:27.439 guy to make sure that you have him taken care 1:13:27.520 --> 1:13:30.400 of on a snap by snap basis, because that dude 1:13:30.520 --> 1:13:33.560 is a flat out game wrecker. They can run a linebacker. 1:13:33.680 --> 1:13:36.479 They have good, good people on the back end. It's 1:13:36.600 --> 1:13:39.560 it's a good football team. It's a proud organization. You know. 1:13:39.640 --> 1:13:41.640 The Rooney family has done a great job with the 1:13:41.680 --> 1:13:45.439 Pittsburgh Steelers for years and years and years. I remember 1:13:45.560 --> 1:13:48.600 playing against the Pittsburgh Steelers when they had guys like 1:13:48.720 --> 1:13:52.240 me and Joe Green and Ernie Holmes, Jack Lambert, Jack 1:13:52.320 --> 1:13:55.439 Cam's like, holy crap, man, It's like we're going out 1:13:55.479 --> 1:13:57.600 here and playing against the Hall of Famers. You know. 1:13:57.720 --> 1:14:00.160 It's like they're they're all going to be first the 1:14:00.400 --> 1:14:02.640 first ballot inductees to the Hall of Fame. And they 1:14:03.040 --> 1:14:06.120 they were. They they are just a talented group. And 1:14:06.200 --> 1:14:11.439 offensively they Lynn Swann, John Stalworth, Ben Roethlisberg are throwing 1:14:11.479 --> 1:14:15.680 the football to those guys, Frank O'harris, Rocky Blier. It's 1:14:15.800 --> 1:14:19.559 it's amazing the number of guys that they had, uh, 1:14:20.560 --> 1:14:23.200 you know, getting things done for them over the years 1:14:23.240 --> 1:14:26.439 they've I don't think Mike Thomas had a losing season, 1:14:27.000 --> 1:14:29.600 so a year in and year out, they just they 1:14:29.800 --> 1:14:32.560 just they get things done in Pittsburgh. They know what 1:14:32.600 --> 1:14:35.120 they're doing and you get you get to tip your 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:38.320 cap to the to the Rooney family, uh, to the 1:14:38.920 --> 1:14:42.360 all the scouts that they know exactly what a Pittsburgh 1:14:42.400 --> 1:14:46.280 Steeler is supposed to be. The Organizationally, they have a 1:14:46.760 --> 1:14:53.000 you know, they have this is this is exactly, they 1:14:53.080 --> 1:14:55.280 have a body type. They have all kinds of you know, 1:14:55.760 --> 1:14:59.559 by position obviously, but I mean they have they have dimensions, 1:14:59.600 --> 1:15:02.200 they have all kinds of things and attitude. You know, 1:15:02.320 --> 1:15:04.599 it's like, is this guy a team guy? 1:15:04.880 --> 1:15:06.479 You know he is. 1:15:06.560 --> 1:15:08.880 He got an ego that is hard to deal with. 1:15:09.080 --> 1:15:10.840 We don't want that. We don't want that poison in 1:15:10.880 --> 1:15:12.960 our locker room. We want, you know, it to be 1:15:13.400 --> 1:15:16.240 you know, harmonious. We want it to be a team, 1:15:16.600 --> 1:15:20.760 team entity. When the Pittsburgh Steelers show up, it's one 1:15:20.840 --> 1:15:22.439 for all for one. Here we go. There. 1:15:22.479 --> 1:15:25.559 You go to your point about Caam Hayward lab fifteen 1:15:25.720 --> 1:15:29.120 years in the league playing defensive line. Now, I mean 1:15:29.240 --> 1:15:30.960 just some quick math, and I know there's some games 1:15:31.000 --> 1:15:33.840 he missed and this and that, so you figure, you know, 1:15:33.880 --> 1:15:36.960 there's about seventy plays in the game time, sixteen games 1:15:37.120 --> 1:15:41.120 times fifteen years, that's almost seventeen thousand times. 1:15:41.240 --> 1:15:43.400 Lab you're getting hit in the face, I mean. 1:15:43.360 --> 1:15:46.000 Demon, he's getting hit in the face every play and 1:15:46.320 --> 1:15:48.000 he just he's done it for fifteen years. 1:15:48.560 --> 1:15:49.320 It's unbelievable. 1:15:50.000 --> 1:15:52.560 It is, it really is. And you talk about a 1:15:52.640 --> 1:15:57.000 guy that you know conditions himself for the game of football. 1:15:57.439 --> 1:16:04.000 I mean, his workouts are reportedly amazing. They're unbelievable. And 1:16:04.760 --> 1:16:07.280 you know the endurance that it takes to play football 1:16:07.680 --> 1:16:11.040 all that time, because you know, defensive lineman they're not running, 1:16:11.360 --> 1:16:13.840 but they are. They're pursuing plays, they're running all over 1:16:13.920 --> 1:16:17.400 the field. But to take that pounding, those number of 1:16:17.439 --> 1:16:20.320 steps all of those years, man, that's got to catch 1:16:20.400 --> 1:16:21.240 up with you. At some point. 1:16:21.439 --> 1:16:23.880 You would think you would think, well, well that listen, 1:16:24.080 --> 1:16:24.599 we got a run. 1:16:24.640 --> 1:16:27.040 But really really appreciate your time as always, have a 1:16:27.080 --> 1:16:29.439 great show tonight, and I'm sure we'll talk again soon. 1:16:29.520 --> 1:16:31.559 Thank you, lap appreciate it, guys. 1:16:31.600 --> 1:16:34.200 Thanks to say it all right, say it the one 1:16:34.240 --> 1:16:36.439 the only Dave leaven there you go, breaking it down. 1:16:37.000 --> 1:16:39.120 All right, let's go ahead and check some trafficking weather. 1:16:39.160 --> 1:16:39.639 How are you looking? 1:16:41.400 --> 1:16:41.760 All right? 1:16:41.800 --> 1:16:45.080 Back with Rocky alongside Jason Williams for just a little 1:16:45.080 --> 1:16:47.040 bit longer, and Jason did want to check in with 1:16:47.120 --> 1:16:51.640 a good friend from ABC, Alex Stone, and Alex I 1:16:51.720 --> 1:16:55.880 saw a little bit of this, the helicopter crash in California. 1:16:55.920 --> 1:16:56.880 Tell us what's going on here? 1:16:57.720 --> 1:17:00.879 Yeah, just a crazy scene. What I'm well, So, Saturday 1:17:00.920 --> 1:17:05.000 afternoon on a really busy beach in Huntington Beach, who 1:17:05.080 --> 1:17:08.880 was crowded as it always is, crashed from a giant 1:17:09.000 --> 1:17:12.519 highad resort and they were getting ready for an event 1:17:12.640 --> 1:17:16.120 called the Cars and Copters, which was on Sunday. But 1:17:16.400 --> 1:17:20.040 on Saturday, all the choppers were flying in one owned 1:17:20.120 --> 1:17:22.840 by a guy who is reportedly known in the area 1:17:23.439 --> 1:17:27.719 for flying his helicopter doing acrobatic quick flybys the buildings 1:17:27.760 --> 1:17:31.679 in the area. He was landing and then the helicopter 1:17:31.760 --> 1:17:34.880 went out of control, began spinning, and then it went 1:17:34.960 --> 1:17:37.960 up and then it dropped down. And this guy says, 1:17:38.000 --> 1:17:40.240 couldn't believe what was going on. He was watching all 1:17:40.320 --> 1:17:43.200 of this, he was on the beach and this chopper 1:17:43.360 --> 1:17:44.640 coming down right on top of him. 1:17:44.640 --> 1:17:46.360 I thought it was like a movie's Sun Gone Fast, 1:17:46.560 --> 1:17:48.880 and then I realized that this was not a movie. 1:17:48.920 --> 1:17:51.559 This is real life, because we were actually witnessing all 1:17:51.600 --> 1:17:55.559 the other helicopters land safely, and when we just saw 1:17:55.600 --> 1:17:57.920 that helicopter loo control, everybody just turned around and ran 1:17:57.960 --> 1:17:58.759 in the opposite direction. 1:17:58.920 --> 1:18:01.880 So everybody was running and it got wedged between palm 1:18:01.960 --> 1:18:03.880 trees and the base of a bridge leading over to 1:18:03.920 --> 1:18:05.839 the high had Resort, and it just kind of wedged 1:18:05.960 --> 1:18:09.000 right in there and kept it from blowing apart. It 1:18:09.080 --> 1:18:12.599 didn't catch on fire. This was a belt two twenty two, 1:18:12.760 --> 1:18:15.360 which was made popular in the nineteen eighties by the 1:18:15.680 --> 1:18:18.519 TV show Airwolf, and the same type of chopper, but 1:18:18.640 --> 1:18:21.040 there were two people on board, three on the ground 1:18:21.080 --> 1:18:24.439 who were injured, including a little boy. And this was 1:18:24.520 --> 1:18:27.360 pretty incredible that the chopper came down right on top 1:18:27.439 --> 1:18:30.200 of him, but the way it wedged in between the 1:18:30.280 --> 1:18:33.400 palm trees and those stairs on the bridge, there was 1:18:33.479 --> 1:18:35.920 a gap of I don't know, maybe three feet, and 1:18:36.040 --> 1:18:38.680 he was laying in kind of a fetal position underneath 1:18:38.680 --> 1:18:40.840 of it as the chopper came down on top of him, 1:18:41.000 --> 1:18:44.320 and with the sound of what sounded like a jet engine, 1:18:44.320 --> 1:18:47.640 but the engine still going after the crash, and the 1:18:48.120 --> 1:18:51.040 red light blinking still on the chopper as they just 1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:55.679 crashed down. People went in. Bystanders went in and dragged 1:18:55.760 --> 1:18:58.080 him from underneath the chopper and got him out of there. 1:18:58.680 --> 1:19:02.040 And so, I mean, Chuck an amazing scene. But the 1:19:02.200 --> 1:19:04.760 NTSB and the FAA they're investigating, but they have given 1:19:04.880 --> 1:19:07.360 zero info because of the government shutdown. All we get 1:19:07.439 --> 1:19:09.519 is Auto replies saying because of the shutdown, they're not 1:19:09.560 --> 1:19:13.360 going to be providing information. So they are investigating. We 1:19:13.439 --> 1:19:15.280 just don't know a lot about it. But the pilot 1:19:15.360 --> 1:19:18.439 who owns the chopper reportedly as injuries. He's been in 1:19:18.520 --> 1:19:22.120 the hospital was over the weekend. But amazing scene and 1:19:22.439 --> 1:19:24.720 luckily nobody was killed in that little boy. I mean, 1:19:24.920 --> 1:19:28.040 you can imagine again like a movie, this thing's coming 1:19:28.080 --> 1:19:30.240 down on top of you. You brace for impact, and 1:19:30.439 --> 1:19:34.560 it stops a couple of feet above you because of 1:19:34.600 --> 1:19:36.960 the way it wedged into the trees and the stairs, 1:19:37.040 --> 1:19:40.880 and he was he's injured, but relatively safe underneath of 1:19:40.920 --> 1:19:41.360 the chopper. 1:19:41.560 --> 1:19:45.040 And Alex you're you're there in southern California and I 1:19:45.160 --> 1:19:46.599 was just there a few weeks ago for the Red's 1:19:46.640 --> 1:19:50.280 Dodgers series. It's not uncommon to see, you know, quite 1:19:50.280 --> 1:19:52.439 a few choppers up, up and around in that whole 1:19:52.479 --> 1:19:53.680 area too, right, And. 1:19:53.720 --> 1:19:57.160 I know yeah, I mean whether it be police or 1:19:57.360 --> 1:19:59.840 military or private shoppers. I mean you think of Co 1:20:00.200 --> 1:20:03.559 Bryant and and how he died here in the LA area, 1:20:03.880 --> 1:20:06.479 and that they're all over if you've got enough money, 1:20:06.560 --> 1:20:08.640 that is how because traffic is so bad here and 1:20:08.720 --> 1:20:11.599 it's such a huge, widespread area. Yeah, it can take 1:20:11.720 --> 1:20:15.360 you three hours, four hours at times to get from 1:20:15.439 --> 1:20:18.080 northern LA County down the southern LA County let alone, 1:20:18.120 --> 1:20:20.439 if you've got to go into Orange County or down 1:20:20.479 --> 1:20:23.360 to San Diego. So the way you get around, if 1:20:23.360 --> 1:20:25.679 you have the money or the means or the ability 1:20:25.760 --> 1:20:28.720 to own one, or your police or your military, you 1:20:28.840 --> 1:20:31.679 chop around. So there's just constantly helicopters in the air. 1:20:31.800 --> 1:20:34.479 But in this one, we don't know what went wrong. Yeah, 1:20:34.760 --> 1:20:38.360 this guy owns this chopper. He's known for doing acrobatic 1:20:38.520 --> 1:20:41.760 kind of flybys and different things. And as he was 1:20:41.840 --> 1:20:43.920 coming in, it's say, you know, almost looked like an 1:20:44.000 --> 1:20:47.200 updraft or something where it got unstable and then began 1:20:47.360 --> 1:20:50.439 spinning and then the rot flew off the back. But 1:20:51.120 --> 1:20:53.240 the NTSB and FAA will figure that out. But it 1:20:53.320 --> 1:20:54.960 was right in front of such a big crowd and 1:20:55.000 --> 1:20:56.640 people went running to get away from it. 1:20:57.080 --> 1:20:59.880 What are the rules of airspace in LA given that 1:21:00.080 --> 1:21:02.479 there are so many helicopters, any idea? 1:21:03.479 --> 1:21:05.000 Yeah, I mean it would be that they can fly 1:21:05.240 --> 1:21:07.360 where they want to fly up to a certain altitude. 1:21:07.400 --> 1:21:10.400 There's different classes of airspace Class B airspace and things 1:21:10.439 --> 1:21:13.120 around airports where they've either got to go below the 1:21:13.439 --> 1:21:16.320 pattern or around it. We run into that a lot 1:21:16.520 --> 1:21:19.479 with chases that go on, I mean every day here 1:21:19.520 --> 1:21:21.800 in LA. There's a couple of chases and they're all 1:21:21.840 --> 1:21:25.040 televised live wall the wall on every channel. And when 1:21:25.439 --> 1:21:27.360 the chase goes by one of the airports, all the 1:21:27.600 --> 1:21:30.240 TV news choppers have to figure out how they're gonna 1:21:30.439 --> 1:21:34.280 maneuver around Lax or Burbank Airport or John Wayne Airport 1:21:34.400 --> 1:21:37.920 or Ontario or Long Beach, all the commercial airports that 1:21:38.000 --> 1:21:41.479 are all pretty close together. So yeah, they've got to 1:21:41.479 --> 1:21:43.840 work around their different airspace. But but in that area, 1:21:44.320 --> 1:21:46.719 the choppers would be able to pretty much fly wherever 1:21:46.760 --> 1:21:47.240 they want to go. 1:21:47.600 --> 1:21:49.880 And now She said that the chopper was the kind 1:21:49.960 --> 1:21:51.400 like airwolfare the show. 1:21:55.160 --> 1:21:58.040 Yeah, on Airwolfs they modified the look of it a 1:21:58.040 --> 1:21:59.720 little bit, but this is a belt to twenty two, 1:22:00.040 --> 1:22:01.439 the same type of aircraft as al. 1:22:01.680 --> 1:22:03.599 It was a fantastic show back in the day, by 1:22:03.640 --> 1:22:07.679 the way, it was. It was good, very good. All right, Alexis, 1:22:07.720 --> 1:22:09.880 we got to run, but we really appreciate your time. 1:22:09.960 --> 1:22:10.599 Thank you so much. 1:22:11.200 --> 1:22:14.680 You gotta think I'll see it, Alex Stone, join us. 1:22:14.760 --> 1:22:17.559 You remember Airwolf I was hearing. I do not, Oh 1:22:17.640 --> 1:22:20.760 my god, how do I not remember that? It's like, uh, 1:22:21.400 --> 1:22:26.240 eighty four eighty five kind of back then there was 1:22:26.520 --> 1:22:30.280 three channels, one of those I don't remember. 1:22:30.400 --> 1:22:32.840 Yeah, this guy was uh and I read the story 1:22:32.880 --> 1:22:34.439 like the guy who was like the actor in it, 1:22:35.000 --> 1:22:38.559 A string fellow I believe was his, like his name 1:22:38.640 --> 1:22:41.479 in the show. But he was like a like one 1:22:41.520 --> 1:22:44.160 of those rising actors. Good looks like you know, the 1:22:44.200 --> 1:22:46.360 whole deal. But he was like a terrible alcoholic and 1:22:46.520 --> 1:22:48.880 just ruined his whole whole career in life. 1:22:49.240 --> 1:22:50.479 That looks pretty sweet, by the way. 1:22:51.080 --> 1:22:56.280 A helicopter and fire missiles and a awesome all right, 1:22:56.400 --> 1:22:58.519 let's uh, let's go ahead and check some trafficking weather. 1:22:58.560 --> 1:23:02.080 How are we looking from the UC Health Traffic Center. 1:23:02.120 --> 1:23:05.639 Mamma Graham Save Lives called five one three five eight four. 1:23:05.720 --> 1:23:09.519 Pink for your annual mammogram with UC Health Expert Team 1:23:09.600 --> 1:23:11.120 five one three five eight four pink. 1:23:11.200 --> 1:23:11.559 Good news. 1:23:11.640 --> 1:23:15.560 Long West six Freeman the fifth as we opened that 1:23:15.560 --> 1:23:18.040 had been shut down because of an earlier crash. Southbound 1:23:18.080 --> 1:23:21.280 seventy five Ronald Reagan Highway to Norway Lateral still about 1:23:21.280 --> 1:23:24.120 a seven minute trip through the area. Delayings back to Shepherd. 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:27.320 We're stop and go on seventy five southbound from the 1:23:27.400 --> 1:23:30.280 Viaduct to the brent Spence. In seventy one south MLK 1:23:30.520 --> 1:23:33.360 to the Brent Spence about a five minute drive. Seventy 1:23:33.400 --> 1:23:36.360 five northbound Turfway to Twelfth Street still about a fifteen 1:23:36.400 --> 1:23:39.200 minute drive right now. And on Banning at Cole Ring, 1:23:39.280 --> 1:23:41.519 we've picked up an accident. Police are on the scene. 1:23:41.640 --> 1:23:46.080 I'm Rick Sharp News Radio seven hundred at WD wellwed In. 1:23:46.120 --> 1:23:49.080 The forecast right now, pre sunny day out there, high 1:23:49.080 --> 1:23:53.280 as seventy six, winds will continue lightly throughout the day, 1:23:53.280 --> 1:23:56.320 and then tonight clear skies are lower forty nine degrees 1:23:56.880 --> 1:23:59.840 and then tomorrow looking like another nice sunny day, seventy 1:23:59.840 --> 1:24:02.120 six degrees right now at a seventy four news radio 1:24:02.200 --> 1:24:03.240 seven hundred WLW. 1:24:03.800 --> 1:24:06.400 All right, mister Penney, I'm going to show you some images, 1:24:06.520 --> 1:24:07.880 and you tell me what you see. 1:24:08.320 --> 1:24:11.360 Looks like a butterfly listening to Scott'sloan show. And this 1:24:11.439 --> 1:24:14.400 one I see a rocket ship, a rocket ship, yeah, 1:24:14.560 --> 1:24:17.439 bless enough with the planet Sloan, I see. And this 1:24:17.560 --> 1:24:20.719 one that looks like a fish swimming in a mountain pond. 1:24:21.479 --> 1:24:21.880 Very good. 1:24:22.040 --> 1:24:24.200 Yeah, but the fish is angry because he's not listening 1:24:24.280 --> 1:24:24.960 to Scott Sloan. 1:24:25.080 --> 1:24:27.240 Scott Sloan, please listen responsibly. 1:24:27.400 --> 1:24:30.280 Join me Scott Sloan tomorrow morning at nine o'clock on 1:24:30.520 --> 1:24:31.840 seven hundred WLW. 1:24:32.040 --> 1:24:34.600 He might be best for us to discuss some strong medications. 1:24:35.080 --> 1:24:39.000 This report is sponsored by One Hour Heating and Irritnationing 1:24:39.200 --> 1:24:39.519 School