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Speaker 1: Edition of the Bumper to Bumpert program on a still

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Speaker 1: too chilly for me Tuesday afternoon here in the Twin

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Speaker 2: He produces the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Barrero, a former instine Retch newspaper

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Speaker 1: of the Twin Cities. And for the record, I never

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Speaker 1: disposed of my underwear when I traveled to Serievo to

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Speaker 1: cover the nineteen eighty four Winter Olympics. But that's another

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Speaker 1: story for another day. Lillie Hammer, I didn't do Lillehammer.

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Speaker 1: do with me. So it's very misanthropic. Misanthropic or whatever

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Speaker 1: today's ride. We're gonna go fast first segment because we

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Speaker 1: do have a three fifteen guest. In fact, we've got

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Speaker 1: two in studio guests, three thirty Kevin Seffert and at

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Speaker 1: four thirty Aaron Gleman. The question regarding our four to

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Speaker 1: thirty guest is we end up talking, Well, we end

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Speaker 1: up talking more Timberwolves, which I think is his first love.

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Speaker 1: Then we do the Twins, which is his first report,

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Speaker 1: the team that he reports on the most we'll find out,

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Speaker 1: and lou Nanny, the scheduled to joein us at a

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Speaker 1: five thirty as well. The sequence today is or was

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Speaker 1: very excited about it, and you were very excited about it.

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Speaker 1: I was excited about it, but also had some trepidation

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Speaker 1: because it's becoming harder and harder to know what to

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Speaker 1: talk about with him as his playing time continues to shrink,

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Speaker 1: and as he continues to struggle offensively. And then you

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Speaker 1: texted me shortly what time was it? Maybe one thirty?

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Speaker 1: So Mike Conley has been traded, according to media reports,

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Speaker 1: to the Chicago Bulls, part of a three team deal,

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Speaker 1: which will be a big part of our discussion, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure throughout the day intermittently. Which means that another regular

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Speaker 1: guest on the Bubber to Bumper Show, regular guest athlete player,

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Speaker 1: The list is Are we in double digits yet? I

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Speaker 1: don't think so, but we're approaching. We're getting close double digits.

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Speaker 1: Mike Conley moving on at least for the moment, to

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Speaker 1: the Bulls. A lot of people think he might get

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Speaker 1: So it's basically a contract situation for him at this point.

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Speaker 1: The Bulls already have like nine guards, so I don't

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Speaker 1: but it is. Maybe it was inevitable, Maybe it was

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Speaker 1: fairly clear this was the direction it was likely to go.

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Speaker 1: That the Conley run here the very distinguished Conley run

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Speaker 2: The assumption was, if.

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Speaker 1: He was dealt, it might be part of that big

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Speaker 1: In this case, for the moment, it's a salary maneuver

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Speaker 1: that if the Wolves do nothing else, have saved themselves

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Speaker 1: the new owners a bunch of money, right, a significant

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Speaker 1: Wolves from twenty four million bucks to three point eight million.

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Speaker 1: And we are now under not just the second apron,

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Speaker 1: Assumption is this is loading up setting up for something else.

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Speaker 1: And let's face it, Mike Conley is no longer part

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Speaker 2: The move before the move, move, before the big move.

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Speaker 1: It might be, but I think based on what some

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Speaker 1: But we'll see where indeed all of this goes. The

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Speaker 1: bad news is, even if it was inevitable, even if

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Speaker 1: I most associate with Conley class, he's overdone. It's it's

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Speaker 1: People, including me, would say Di'angelo Russell is a more

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Speaker 2: But he doesn't have Mike Conley's head.

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Speaker 1: That's to me, everything that drove me crazy about dlo

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Speaker 1: He's dead. He's not dead. He's very much alive. But

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Speaker 1: He didn't get us there, but he got us a

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Speaker 2: And it's no secret that when.

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Speaker 1: This team was at its best, Conley was on the

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Speaker 1: He played fourteen minutes last night, zero for three from

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Speaker 1: A great contributor consistently over the last several years, especially,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will.

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Speaker 3: It's as important a move that Tim Conley has made

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Speaker 3: I was holding out hope, as a Conley romantic that

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Speaker 3: You know, people are sending out some of the plays

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Speaker 2: But yeah, pro pro is the word.

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Speaker 3: Pro is the word, and him at his best, which

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Speaker 2: What you also have to remember. Well, exactly right, it's

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Speaker 3: And wherever he went, Memphis, Utah, here, teams ended up winning.

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Speaker 1: Brian Windhorst reporting that the Wolves could have gotten Kobe

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Speaker 3: So I'm taking them at their word because that's an

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Speaker 2: Because right now, that's how this sets up.

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Speaker 1: My guess is maybe there's gonna be more to it

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Speaker 2: Seaffert on the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: Next segment, Paul Bloom Fox nine on a Section material

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Speaker 1: right now, he joins us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline.

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Speaker 2: Mister Bloom, how are you, Dan. I'm good.

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Speaker 4: It has been a while, but good to be back

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Speaker 4: with you.

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Speaker 2: You're not lou Ra Goose, are you? I just want

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Speaker 4: We are friends, we are rival. Yeah, I noticed he's

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Speaker 4: he's gone some airtime lately, but I'm back. I'm back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well. This the moral of this story is

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's what you have enough and we never

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Speaker 1: will forget you. And and and what got my attention.

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Speaker 1: We're a couple of items via X that you offered

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Speaker 2: Eye in particular.

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Speaker 4: Right, So I am. I've been he's kind of been

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Speaker 4: disappeared into the federal court system since the start of

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Speaker 4: Operation Metro Surge. Just trying to observe, report on consume

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Speaker 4: what is happening on the legal side. This record number

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Speaker 4: habeas filings. These are filed by detained immigrants. There attorneys

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Speaker 4: challenging the arrests. All these arrests, right three thousand arrests

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Speaker 4: habeas filings have been submitted to the courts, and federal

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Speaker 4: And so these people who are being arrested, detained, they

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Speaker 4: Why it took the government thirteen days to get the

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Speaker 4: getting pressed, and finally, I mean, you know, you hate

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Speaker 4: And she was just so overwhelmed that this office it's

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Speaker 2: The moment, like the judge was just continued.

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Speaker 4: To harp and press and why that's why that, why

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Speaker 2: Did the judge grant her her request?

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Speaker 4: I guess, I varied the lead.

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Speaker 2: No, No, he did not.

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Speaker 4: And then, to be honest, on the back end of

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Speaker 2: And he just he let it go.

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Speaker 4: Like he clearly made you know, made the point, you know,

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Speaker 4: But but but to just the observation side, it is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what I saw today the direct quote from a

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Speaker 1: Correct Ice has likely violated more court orders in January

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no exactly. And then I was saying earlier, I

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Speaker 4: Well, why are we doing these like massive arrests and

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Speaker 4: I don't know where we go from here, but but today,

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Speaker 1: In front of Judge Blackwell, you know, to me, it's

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Speaker 1: goes beyond just the you know, the esoteric philosophical discussion.

437
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Speaker 1: And in many cases the judges are saying things that

438
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Speaker 1: are being done that are illegal, that are not constitutional,

439
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Speaker 1: and they're upending people's lives in this effort.

440
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Speaker 2: All we'll get to I mean, we're lost, and we'll

441
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Speaker 2: get to it down the road.

442
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Speaker 1: And obviously that's why it struck to me what you

443
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Speaker 1: got today, even on the ice side, here of an

444
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Speaker 1: individual who almost is kind of admitting that maybe to

445
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Speaker 1: a certain extent she wants to cry uncle. The number

446
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Speaker 1: you said, like I said, I think now the number

447
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Speaker 1: is fourteen individuals from the US Attorney's Office have resigned,

448
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Speaker 1: asked to quote violate personal ethics. In effect, you got

449
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Speaker 1: the Ice there too, probably overwhelmed by the detention cases.

450
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Speaker 1: Fraud investigation from their standpoint is out the window. And

451
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Speaker 1: that was the office that did all that hard work.

452
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Speaker 1: And I don't know how many more are left. I'm

453
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Speaker 1: not sure, but that's I assume that's got to be

454
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Speaker 1: a pretty significant number, significant of major attorneys who are

455
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Speaker 1: no longer part of that office.

456
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Speaker 4: And then if the reporting's accurate, I haven't documented it.

457
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Speaker 4: She was the second attorney in the courtroom today and

458
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Speaker 4: of oss, the civil division head in that US Attorney's office.

459
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Speaker 4: She has been lauded by all parties for her ability

460
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Speaker 4: to even try to get through the mess on the

461
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Speaker 4: hay b side of things. So I kind of reference

462
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Speaker 4: to our newsroom if in fact she's leaving. She wouldn't

463
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Speaker 4: answer our questions today if she is in fact leaving.

464
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Speaker 4: But she didn't take the lead today in the courtroom.

465
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Speaker 4: She played sort of second fiddle to miss Lee. But

466
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Speaker 4: I've likened her to the Joe Thompson on the fraud

467
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Speaker 4: side on our nf os. Is that on the habeas

468
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Speaker 4: petition side. So if you're already seeing you know, dozens

469
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Speaker 4: and dozens of court violations, and there is like a

470
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Speaker 4: beacon in that office, that beacon understanding is at the

471
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Speaker 4: end of the week is leaving. I don't have that

472
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Speaker 4: one hundred percent confirmed, but you know, the start tribute

473
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Speaker 4: when ahead and named her as someone who is departing,

474
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Speaker 4: and like I said, based on my observations in court

475
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Speaker 4: and that she did not take the lead role today.

476
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be, and that would just set the system

477
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Speaker 4: back even further because because all parties, the judges, the

478
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Speaker 4: detained immigrant attorneys, had all sort of trusted in that woman,

479
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Speaker 4: and now she appears to be on her way out

480
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Speaker 4: the door. So this is only going to get messier.

481
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Speaker 4: And I have no doubt at some point A Todd Lions,

482
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Speaker 4: the acting ICE director, certainly a Daniel Rosen at the

483
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Speaker 4: US Attorney's Office and the US Attorney someone is going

484
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Speaker 4: to be called to task in court room under oath.

485
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Speaker 4: And I don't know what type of contempt can be

486
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Speaker 4: found eventually, but it certainly feels like we are headed

487
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Speaker 4: that way.

488
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Speaker 2: Thanks for the time, as always, my friend, We'll be

489
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Speaker 2: in touch.

490
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Paul, you bet Dan, thanks for having me,

491
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Speaker 1: guys absolutely.

492
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Speaker 2: Fox nine reporter Paul Bloom.

493
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Speaker 1: Kevin Seaffert is going to join us in studio if

494
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Speaker 1: you have questions for him, brat Shawn Brian Caffe on

495
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Speaker 1: text line as usual is open at six four six

496
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Speaker 1: eight six. As I mentioned earlier, Aaron Gleeman will be

497
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Speaker 1: in studio at four point thirty. Lune Annie will join

498
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Speaker 1: in five point thirty, and no, Mike Conley did not

499
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Speaker 1: join as originally scheduled at the top of the show,

500
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Speaker 1: because he's been traded part of a three team deal

501
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Speaker 1: to involving the Chicago Bulls, and the open question is

502
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: where does this deal lead the Timberwolves before Thursday's trade deadline.

503
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Speaker 2: Stay tuned, all right, see if he's in the house.

504
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Speaker 1: He'll be with us the rest of until probably close

505
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Speaker 1: to four point thirty when Aaron Gleman will accept the

506
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Speaker 1: baton for the in studio visit next Although I said

507
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Speaker 1: earlier with Gleman and he might end up wanting to

508
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Speaker 1: talk more timber Wolves than Minnesota Twins. A because they

509
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: seem to more to be a more vital franchise, and

510
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Speaker 1: secondly because he's such a wolve's rube, Right, But we'll

511
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: mix and match and get into some of the Twins

512
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Speaker 1: stuff as well. You've been in the business, you and

513
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Speaker 1: several others are in the business. This is the second

514
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Speaker 1: post mortem, right, because you did the post mortem that

515
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Speaker 1: we expect after the season ending. All right, what happened?

516
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: Where do we go from here? But then you got

517
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Speaker 1: sort of a second life with the delay before the

518
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Speaker 1: announcement that I think shocked people, just at least in

519
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Speaker 1: terms of timing that a quasi adopha mensa had been dismissed.

520
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Speaker 1: I think that was last Friday, So maybe I start

521
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Speaker 1: there are people making too much of the delay and

522
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Speaker 1: the timing and thinking because there was this delay, that

523
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Speaker 1: something else must have transpired, or what do you make

524
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Speaker 1: of the fact that we didn't get the dismissal as

525
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: quickly as we tend to once a season is done

526
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Speaker 1: and people meet and they vet.

527
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Speaker 5: I get the sentiment because it is a natural thing

528
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 5: to wonder when something happens on a different time frame

529
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 5: than almost every other NFL team operates on, why did

530
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Speaker 5: it happen? And so I know that people have jumped

531
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Speaker 5: on the fact that Sam Darnold and the Seahawks made

532
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Speaker 5: the Super Bowl on Sunday and then theorized that that

533
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Speaker 5: set in motion the discussions that led to Quacy getting

534
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Speaker 5: fired late in the week and have it being announced Friday.

535
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Speaker 6: But I don't have any evidence of that. Everything that

536
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 6: I know of.

537
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Speaker 5: Is that, if anything, the Wolfs had to do a

538
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 5: long process, because you know they don't they're not in

539
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 5: the office much. You know, they come to games, they

540
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 5: talk on phone and zoom and all that. With the

541
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Speaker 5: stakeholders but I think that part of what I think

542
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Speaker 5: the primary reason it took so long was that it

543
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Speaker 5: took them a while to catch up on all the

544
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Speaker 5: stuff that has been happening and at least flesh it

545
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Speaker 5: out and understand it from the actual you know, all

546
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Speaker 5: the actual stakeholders. And so to me, it's more indicative

547
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Speaker 5: of kind of what happens when you have out of

548
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Speaker 5: town ownership, frankly, and that to.

549
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Speaker 1: Me, are they in your mind? Are they too absentee ish?

550
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Speaker 1: Do you think that actually perched this twelve two?

551
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Speaker 4: Is?

552
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 5: I guess a subjective thing, But they yeah, And I

553
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 5: asked them this question, Like you guys, the team got

554
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 5: eliminated from the playoffs December whatever, fourteenth, and so there

555
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 5: was basically almost a month before the season ended. To

556
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Speaker 5: start the process. You knew that no matter, you know,

557
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 5: whether they going on five game losing streak to end

558
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 5: the season or five game winning streak, you weren't making

559
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Speaker 5: the playoffs. So the season was not a success and

560
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 5: it didn't matter how many wins you ended up with

561
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Speaker 5: after that. And so I don't know that the process

562
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 5: began at that point or not. But normally speaking, if

563
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 5: you're up to speed on everything that's happening, it shouldn't

564
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Speaker 5: take that long to get to the final decision. Now,

565
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 5: maybe they by all accounts, a lot of people feel

566
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Speaker 5: like they came to.

567
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 6: The right decision and it just took too long.

568
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Speaker 5: But even if that's the case, they have sort of

569
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Speaker 5: put themselves into this purgatory extended purgatory period where a

570
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 5: lot of really important decisions are going to be made,

571
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Speaker 5: both on the roster and in the draft. That unless Roberzinski,

572
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 5: the interim GM, becomes the actual GM, it's going to

573
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Speaker 5: be inherited by a general manager that had nothing to

574
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Speaker 5: do with any of those decisions.

575
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Speaker 2: And so.

576
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Speaker 5: It's great to do a methodical process and it's great

577
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 5: to not uh be you know, to to make quick

578
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 5: trigger decisions, but you don't that those aren't the only

579
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 5: two options.

580
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was we talked.

581
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Speaker 1: I talked about this the other day because there's everybody

582
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Speaker 1: believes in being deliberate. As you say, you don't want

583
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Speaker 1: to rush into anything. But given the amount of time

584
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Speaker 1: between now and the draft, I guess I'm surprised they're

585
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Speaker 1: taking this approach.

586
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Speaker 2: Now. The comeback that was given.

587
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Speaker 1: To me was, well, there might even be people that

588
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: are still working we're only down to two teams, though,

589
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: I you know, it still struck me as a bit

590
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Speaker 1: peculiar that for the reason you just laid out, that

591
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Speaker 1: they've decided to wait as long as to be this

592
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Speaker 1: deliberate and to do it after this this whole draft cycle.

593
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's not the same as if a coach

594
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 5: is still coaching and you can't, like Quint Kubiak, that's true,

595
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 5: it's not you can hire a GM whenever. And maybe

596
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 5: maybe the agreement is that he doesn't or she doesn't,

597
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 5: you know, pop you know, over and change organizations right away,

598
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 5: But there's not It's not the same kind of rules

599
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 5: in terms of having to wait until after their their

600
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 5: season is complete.

601
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Speaker 1: And yet that's what we're going with now. Brazinski has

602
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Speaker 1: been around forever. He's kind of been viewed as the

603
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Speaker 1: capologist guy. Maybe that's unfair. I mean, you can tell

604
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: me you can speak to well behind the scenes. Over

605
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Speaker 1: the years, he's been building towards having a lot more

606
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Speaker 1: in his resume or in his experience than just the

607
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Speaker 1: guy who makes all the numbers work.

608
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Speaker 2: What do you say.

609
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's sort of lost in history, but Rob

610
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 5: actually was the Vikings top football executive for like three

611
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 5: seasons during the end of the Macombs era. If you remember,

612
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Speaker 5: they had uh I think it was would have been

613
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 5: the two thousand and two draft when they weren't able

614
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 5: to get the Cowboys missed their turn and they weren't

615
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Speaker 5: able to get up to the podium fast enough to

616
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Speaker 5: get the guy they wanted, Ryan Simms.

617
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Speaker 6: They ended up with Brian McKinney.

618
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Speaker 5: And so after that draft, Red McCombs shook up the

619
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Speaker 5: front office and he demoted Frank Gilliam who had sort

620
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Speaker 5: of been their top guy, and he restructured the front

621
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Speaker 5: office to where rob was the was sort of the

622
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Speaker 5: top executive. And then you had Mike Tice, and you

623
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Speaker 5: had Scott Sidwell in charge of the college scouting side

624
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Speaker 5: of things, and they had I think Jeff Robinson was

625
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 5: in charge of the of the pro side. But rob

626
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 5: was sort of like to the closest uh you know,

627
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Speaker 5: the definition as you could come in to that and

628
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Speaker 5: that franchise to a general manager. He did it, and

629
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Speaker 5: he did it for like three years. So it's not

630
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Speaker 5: you know, people are kind of viewing him as a

631
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Speaker 5: longtime cap and negotiator, and he is, but there is

632
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Speaker 5: that sort of window that's been lost into history where

633
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 5: he's done this before. Now, as soon as the Wolfs

634
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 5: bought the team, I think Rob was very much on

635
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 5: board with them hiring a personnel person who was first

636
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 5: fran Foley and then Rick Spielman, and eventually Rix s

637
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 5: Pielan be Yes comes the general manager, and so and

638
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 5: and and and Rob has had many opportunities to at

639
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 5: least some opportunities to to leave and for jobs that

640
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 5: would have been probably higher level of authority than what

641
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 5: he's had since the Spielman higher. But so that so

642
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 5: that'll be something that I'll have to work out. But

643
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 5: I just feel like it's almost been lost in history

644
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Speaker 5: that this is not the first time that he's sort

645
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Speaker 5: of been in this position.

646
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Speaker 1: So for me, the fundamental question since the dismissal is

647
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Speaker 1: one that you, to varying degrees, all of you have

648
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: covered the team have attempted to discuss and write about

649
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Speaker 1: and layout, and I'll just ask it. I'll give you

650
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: the cliched question. Has it reached a point where above

651
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: and beyond legitimate concern about the factual drafting record by Quasi,

652
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: has he become or is he becoming too much of

653
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: a fall guy for everything that went wrong, including much

654
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Speaker 1: of went wrong at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 5: The failures that they've had over the years of that

656
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Speaker 5: in that position and others are not solely on him.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, I view.

658
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Speaker 5: The lens with what I think the lens to view

659
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 5: all of this is the Wolfs decided in twenty twenty

660
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Speaker 5: two to hire not only an experience an inexperienced general manager,

661
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Speaker 5: but maybe the least experienced general manager of this era.

662
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Speaker 5: And we don't need to go through all of his

663
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Speaker 5: of Quasi's background to know that. And it was a

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00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 5: big swing, and there was It was kind of exciting

665
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Speaker 5: because there was a lot of potential there for someone

666
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Speaker 5: to come look at things with a fresh set of

667
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 5: eyes who had come up through a very different background.

668
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Speaker 5: And we've seen it happen in other sports where it

669
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Speaker 5: actually is beneficial that somebody breaks convention and thinks of things,

670
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Speaker 5: you know, because they weren't sort of hammered into their

671
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 5: head over a traditional upbringing in the sport to think

672
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 5: only a certain way. And so there was a lot

673
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 5: of potential there. But they you know, it gets into

674
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Speaker 5: did they create a and structure an organization that could

675
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Speaker 5: support that level of an experience, why he learned on

676
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 5: the job, not dissimilar to what the Vikings tried to

677
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 5: do with JJ McCarthy and Bill a roster that could

678
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 5: support him as he developed in real time did And

679
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Speaker 5: so my point is that we can certainly acknowledge that

680
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 5: the impact of Quasey's inexperience on all sorts of parts

681
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 5: of the operation, but ultimately, you know he he was.

682
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 5: His resume wasn't a secret, and I think that if

683
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 5: you want to have a broad discussion about where all

684
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 5: the fault lies in this, you start with the ownership

685
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 5: and did they create did they drop him into a

686
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 5: organization that could support someone of his inexperience while he

687
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 5: learned and got better and evolved in all the words

688
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 5: that he himself used over time. They hired a coach

689
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 5: who also was relatively inexperienced, not to the extent same extent,

690
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 5: and then they kept the same sort of personnel structure

691
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 5: that they'd had. And so I think you know, in

692
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 5: any fair discussion of what went wrong with that with

693
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 5: the general manager like, it has to include at least

694
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 5: that who hired KOs hired KOs. They was the same

695
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 5: committee that also hired quasi was before my time getting

696
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 5: back on the beat, but they had created a commit

697
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 5: a search committee for both jobs.

698
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 6: Owners were involved.

699
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 5: Andrew Miller, the chief operating officer, was was involved. The

700
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 5: Quasy got here first, correct, Yeah, Quazy got here first,

701
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 5: and they then included him on the interview process, and

702
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 5: I'm sure they got his feedback, but it was not

703
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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 2: You don't believe.

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Speaker 5: I don't have any information to make the think that

706
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 5: they said, Okay, you're here, now go find us a

707
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 5: head coach. I think they had already like interviewed Kevin

708
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 5: and a bunch of other people at least once, and

709
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 5: they were very high on him and put the two

710
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 5: of them in a room in Los Angeles, I think

711
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 5: because he was the RAMS assistant at the offense coordinator

712
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 5: at the time, and they kind of observed their interaction

713
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 5: is the way I understand how it went, and had

714
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 5: them have an extended conversation about all the things that

715
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Speaker 5: you would want them to have.

716
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: One of the reports, I don't even know where I

717
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: read this. I don't think it was local. But all

718
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: this stuff is bubbling up now. As you know, it

719
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: tends to sometimes accurate, sometimes maybe reckless. Is the notion

720
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: that Quasy was more inclined to hire Harball than Koc.

721
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: Have you ever been made aware of that?

722
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 4: Not that.

723
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 5: My understanding is that he brought his name into it

724
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 5: and said, hey, like, I have a history here. We

725
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 5: were in San Francisco at the same time. You know,

726
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 5: we should include him, and they did. But I don't

727
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 5: know that after they brought Harbaugh in the for the

728
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 5: interview that he was necessarily pounding the table. I think

729
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 5: it was pretty clear that the hiring committee was not

730
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 5: in favor of that hire and still wanted to hire Kevin.

731
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Speaker 1: You mentioned you know you got it. You can't leave

732
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: ownership out of this. There's the philosophical question. Always I

733
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: have tended to come from the more pure belief that

734
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: you hire whatever title you want to give him, general manager,

735
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: president of football operations, or vice president, whatever the case

736
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: may be, and you make a you vet, you make

737
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: a good hire there, and then you leave it up

738
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: to that individual to hire the coach, which clearly is

739
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: not the way this went. Doing it the way they

740
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Speaker 1: did it, does that also set this thing up, maybe

741
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: in motion in a way that makes this outcome inevitable.

742
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 5: Only if you think that the reason that he's that

743
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 5: Kuasi Dopamsa got fired is because of the relationship with O'Connell.

744
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 5: And I don't think that that's the even the primary reason,

745
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 5: or it's you know even maybe like one of the

746
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 5: top five reasons. I think it's I think it's okay

747
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 5: for a third party, so to speak, to pair those

748
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 5: two people together. But now you know that they're in

749
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 5: now an inevitable situation where the next general manager again

750
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 5: if it's not Brazinski, is going to be and it's

751
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 5: and ideally you say, well, in this this go around,

752
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 5: everyone will be more experienced, and Kevin will be more

753
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 5: experienced and he'll be involved in it, and they'll get

754
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 5: somebody that that fits the situation, but fits the situation

755
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 5: according to who like. It might be somebody you really

756
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 5: liking as a friend and you'll get along and everybody,

757
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 5: But is it best for building a super Bowl?

758
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 6: That's sometimes.

759
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 5: You need to to pair people who are who are

760
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 5: not similar true to get the best out of both

761
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 5: of them.

762
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: The well, let's save this because we're gonna we're getting

763
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: close to the top of the hour. Because the next

764
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: big item I want to get to, I think devote

765
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: it needs we need to devote a little bit of

766
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: of time to it. The I felt, and I have

767
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: to say, I think you guys led me in this

768
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: direction that when it comes to the quarterback sequencing, that

769
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: it was more likely that the general manager was going

770
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: to heavily defer to the head coach on whatever philosophical

771
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: moves or whatever moves, including the drafting in the first

772
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: place of JJ McCarthy, than the other way around. Now, nationally,

773
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: there's been some reporting done that I'm sure you've seen

774
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: that makes it seem seems to suggest that Quas was

775
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: a lot higher from the beginning on JJ than the

776
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: head coach might have been, which seems astounding to me

777
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: unless all the reporting you guys have done up till

778
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: now is now wrong that as the quarterback guy, it

779
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: was more that I guess i'd say Koc was more

780
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: than the head coach. He acted almost as a de

781
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: facto personnel guy at that position, because I felt you

782
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: guys have said to us he's may have still just

783
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 1: a title of coach, but there's a lot more going

784
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: on behind the scenes with him over the time since

785
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: he's become head coach.

786
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 5: What do you say to so that basically that Quac

787
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 5: was pushing for JJ to be the starter this past

788
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 5: season and O'Connell was not.

789
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 6: I don't think that's true.

790
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 2: Well, even going all the way back to the drafting.

791
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some reporting nationally that like, yeah, he

792
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: liked him, but Quays was really more the moving party

793
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: about this thing from the beginning, which just doesn't know,

794
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: doesn't ring true based on everything else.

795
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 5: You That's not the way I would characterize it. I mean,

796
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 5: I think you know O'Connell, I think it's pretty well

797
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 5: known that that he was big on Drake May and

798
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 5: they just couldn't.

799
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 6: So I do not believe that. I think JJ.

800
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 5: I think Kevin O'Connell was fully supportive of drafting JJ McCarthy,

801
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 5: and I think they were in relative concert heading into

802
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 5: last year's offseason right about now that they wanted to

803
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 5: have JJ and someone significant. They decided that that would

804
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 5: be Daniel Jones, and by the time they couldn't get

805
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones, it was too late to franchise tag Sam

806
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 5: Darnold or do anything to rectify that. And so if

807
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 5: I don't think they were in disagreement about what they wanted,

808
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 5: and just the split of the responsibilities meant that the

809
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,280
Speaker 5: general manager is more responsible for the acquisition of Daniel Jones,

810
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 5: and the fact that it didn't happen probably follows more

811
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 5: on his shoulders, But it doesn't mean that the two

812
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 5: of them were not in relative agreement that that's what

813
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 5: they wanted to do. The one instance at quarterback, where

814
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 5: as and I've alluded to this in a story several

815
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 5: stories where I think they were not in concert, was

816
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 5: the Sam Howe situation where they drafted him, they traded

817
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 5: for him during the draft, right, and then you saw

818
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 5: how it played out, and you saw how they had

819
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 5: to sort of triage that at the end of training

820
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 5: camp and get Carson Wentz, And so I think there

821
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 5: was it's pretty clear at that point that on that

822
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 5: very specific issue that.

823
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 6: They were not totally in concert.

824
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 5: But like, is that enough to fire somebody knows that

825
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 5: enough to say that there's a disagreement at quarterback is

826
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 5: the reason why he's gone. No, I just don't have

827
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 5: that information to confirm that.

828
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: I want to go back and a little more detail

829
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: on that. There's several questions I have regarding the Jones

830
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: piece of this thing, because I really think that's crucial

831
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: and you you just alluded to it Kevin Seafford and

832
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: studio for another half hour. Don't forget, As I said,

833
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: we'll talk baseball. Aaron Gleaman about the Twins schism. Obviously,

834
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: we call it, in the case of the Vikings the

835
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: culture chasm because we like the alliteration. And a lot

836
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: more on the Wolves trading Mike Conley and what the

837
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: larger ramifications of that might be. Was supposed to be

838
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: a guest today at three o'clock, and we got the

839
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: words sometime around around thirty they had been traded, which

840
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: means the bumper of upper curse, the number of players,

841
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: good to very good players who've appeared regularly on this

842
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: show and then been unceremoniously cut or moved on to

843
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: someplace else is approaching double digits.

844
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Speaker 2: More on that later as well. Back