1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: At six oh five here Vitch about Kerr Seedy Talk Station. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Bryan Thomas wishing everyone a very happy Friday and if 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,079 Speaker 1: I don't stick around tech Friday. At the bottom of 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: this hour, George Brenaman, Keith Tennenfield restore Wellness dot Org 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,159 Speaker 1: and studio for an hour try to get us on 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: the right path as we start the new calendar year 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: signal ninety nine controversial. She is well connected. Definitely. She'll 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: be in studio all hour, the entire eight eight o'clock hour. 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about this topic that we're bringing 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: up right now. And thanks to Ken Cober FOP president 11 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: for return to the morning show for the second time 12 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: in a week. Welcome back, Ken Cobra, and I appreciate 13 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: the announcement. Apparently you're bringing this to everybody's attention, including 14 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: members of Sincai City Council who didn't seem to really 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: realize that Cheryl Long, the city manager, was negotiating a 16 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: massive settlement behind the scenes with the Hinton family. Who 17 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: might that be Ryan Hinton, eighteen years old, shot and 18 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: killed by a Cincai police officer last year. His father 19 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: then a day later ran over Hamilton County sheriff's deputy 20 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: Larry Henderson, killing him. Eighteen year old Hinton no longer 21 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: with us, but Connie Pillage, Hamilton County prosecutor, announced last 22 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: summer that the officer who shot Ryan was justified in 23 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: doing so because he turned a gun on the police officer. 24 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: Joining the program today to talk about why in the 25 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: hell would the city of Cincinnati write a check to 26 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: the hitting family over that incident. FOP President Ken Kober, 27 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: thank you very much for bringing this to every day's 28 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: attention and joining the program this morning to talk about it. 29 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, Brian. Yeah, thanks for having me. It's 30 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 2: been an interesting day yesterday, that's for sure. 31 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: Well, I guess I don't want you to do any 32 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: sources because apparently someone from behind the scenes let you 33 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: know about this. But how is it that this settlement 34 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: agreement could be negotiated or even discussed now? City Manager 35 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: Long issued a statement after you brought out the point 36 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: that this was being negotiated. You didn't say it was done, 37 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: You didn't say it was settled. You say it was 38 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: being quietly negotiated behind the scenes. Cheryl Long comes out 39 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: in response to the news of that your news saying 40 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: the city has not reached a subtle agreement, okay, and 41 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: vehemently reject the notion that any discussions are being rushed, 42 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: not that they're not happening, I might interject, she said 43 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: are happening in secret or designed to keep information from 44 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: city council. Now the latter part of the statement, I 45 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: guess it really has happened in secret because Local News 46 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: reached out to Seth w Wash and some of the 47 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: council members, and it sounded to me like they didn't 48 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: realize it was going on. Either where are we on this, 49 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: sir No? 50 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 2: And that's that's exactly. It's It's funny that she put 51 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: this statement out because I had several council members that 52 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: reached out with me last night that said, look, we're 53 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: just learning about this. We were absolutely against it, against this. Yeah, 54 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: we saw the article, the article that the Inquire posted 55 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: where you know, Jeff Kramerton, who's the head of the 56 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: Budget and Finance, said this sends a terrible message to 57 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: the Cincinnati police. He's like, when these officers did absolutely 58 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: nothing wrong, he is I'm against this, they said. As 59 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: late as almost eleven o'clock last night, I had council 60 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: members texted me going, look, we support the police. We 61 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 2: were absolutely against this. We had no idea. So obviously 62 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: the information that I had was absolutely correct, because these 63 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: council members are supporting what I put out right. And 64 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: it's interesting because I did I had a source inside 65 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: city Hall that thought that this was so egregious in 66 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: how this was being done and the fact that they 67 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: were doing this, that asked me to make this public 68 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: before it was finalized. And unfortunately the city manager is 69 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: upset about the fact that this has become public before 70 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: it could be finalized. Yeah, and I think, you know, 71 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: not only do the officers that were involved, but certainly 72 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: to the Henderson family to fight this, to make sure 73 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: that taxpayer callers are not being given to a family 74 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: that created such chaos and tragedy of the course of 75 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: a twenty four hour period back in May. 76 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: Well, you know, well, I just I tell well, let 77 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: me just quote the Jeff Grammerting statement and also Sess 78 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: Wall statement because again going to what Cheryl Long had 79 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: said again to this idea, this is being negotiated behind 80 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: the scenes, it's being hidden from people, or it's being rushed. 81 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: Kramerton said, He's the city council is going to be 82 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: talking about this on Monday. I think the city's position 83 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: is that the officer has not done anything wrong, which 84 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,559 Speaker 1: is exactly what the prosecutor said last year. I see 85 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: nothing in the video contrary to that. I do not 86 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: feel a settlement as warranted. I think that that would 87 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: send the wrong message to the since a police amen 88 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: to your point, Walsh, it is a tremendous disrespect to 89 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: the families involved to make a public spectacle out of 90 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: a tragedy. I think it's unconscionable for the City of 91 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: Cincinnati to be considering a settlement without the full deliberation 92 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: of council. The tragedy that unfolded and made devastated our community, 93 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: and it's our responsibility to heal the wreckage, not to 94 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: create more division. So apparently they're going to have an 95 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: executive session on Monday to talk about the details of this. 96 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: I guess what Long denies is a rushed, quiet, behind 97 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: the scenes settlement negotiation. So it's going to get a 98 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: little sunlight. I don't know if you know, but I'm 99 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: frustrated by the whole concept that City Manager chare Along 100 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: has any authority to enter into what seems to me 101 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: moving toward a binding agreement without the approval of council. 102 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: Does she have the ability to enter into agreement that 103 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: may involve millions of dollars? We have no idea what 104 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: the dollar figure that's being discussed is, but it's potentially millions. 105 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: Who knows. But does she have an off authority to 106 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: enter into any settlement for any amount without Council's approval? 107 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: We lots of questions. I don't know, And you know, 108 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: we talk about shedding light on this. They're going to 109 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: be an executive session. If you know what executive session is. 110 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: That kicks everybody from the public out. This is done, 111 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: there are no notes that are taken, This is done quietly, 112 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: just almost like what I said in my press release. 113 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: And we won't know, We won't know what that discussion is. 114 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: Why shouldn't it be done in public? Why shouldn't public 115 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: have a right to know what's being discussed? Wait, why 116 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 2: it's being discussed, you know, in what council has to 117 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 2: say about it, what the city administration has to say 118 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: about it. Maybe, maybe, somehow I can't spamom a scenario 119 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: where this would seem like a good idea, But I 120 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe the city administration has this, Why would 121 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: you be doing this in executive session where if the 122 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 2: public doesn't have any ear to be able to hear 123 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: what's being said. 124 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: Yes, because right now that's the cop was cleared. It 125 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: was certainly a justifiable use of deadly force, considering he 126 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: was facing eminent apprehension of grievous bodily harm or deaf 127 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: because the kid turned a firearm on him. So that's 128 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: all behind no grand jury referral by the Hamilton County prosecutor, 129 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: who is quite liberal, I might point out, So the 130 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: council members all seem to be in agreement with you 131 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: and me and the general public that this would be 132 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: crazy to write a check to the family, because why 133 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: none of us have any information that would justify the 134 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: negotiations or the payment of any money. What fact, what 135 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: piece of information has been deprived of us thus far, 136 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: which would just even sitting down at the table with 137 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: the other side to talk about writing a check. It 138 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: was all above board. We've got video of it. I mean, 139 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: what are we missing, Ken Coober? 140 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that. That is the million dollar question. And 141 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: my guess is absolutely nothing. And I've said this sentiment 142 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: release crime apparently does pay. You know, we paid rioters 143 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty eight point one million dollars, and now 144 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: we're potentially paying out a family you know who won 145 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: points a gun at the cop, you know, puts this 146 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: officer in a position where he has to act to 147 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: save his life. And the next day another family family 148 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: member viciously murders a deputy and somehow we're going to 149 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: even talk about a settlement. To me, it is absolutely 150 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: uncomtionable that they would do something like that. But you know, 151 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: he said, in the city of Cincinnati, where crime does pay, 152 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: it's not surprising. 153 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: Well, and the timing couldn't be better on this revelation. 154 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: Can Cobert considering a mayor have to have Pearlwall's proposal 155 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: of a big tax kite because a tax hike because 156 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: apparently he needs extra money? Again, maybe it's because we're 157 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: writing a bunch of checks to people who to whom 158 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: we do not need to write checks. And it also interesting, 159 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: Ken Cober that, in spite of the fact that some 160 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: of the council members seem shocked by this and are 161 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: on the record saying this is a bad idea, city 162 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: Manager er Lung did issue his statement as much of 163 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: filled with prevarication as it is no word from the 164 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: mayor on this very important issue. Don't you think it 165 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: would be important for the mayor of the City of 166 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: Cincinnati might maybe chime in on this himself. 167 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: Well, unless he's being left in the dark light councilor 168 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: who knows, don't now? Going back, I was not given 169 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: any indication whatsoever that the mayor's aware of this. 170 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: Wow. Sounds to me like we have a city manager. 171 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: Run them up free reign Ken Cober pause. I want 172 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: to bring you back if you don't mind, because I 173 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: want to ask you about the revelations. Six at fifty 174 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: five Karrose. They talk station. By the time I'm switching, 175 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: everyone are very happy Friday, trying to figure out what's 176 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: going on in the city. Coup David, that's a good thing. 177 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: And thankfully we have folks like FOP President Ken Cobra 178 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: to let us know and let maybe even some council 179 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: members know about this potential settlement with a Rodney Hinton family. 180 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: But pivoting away from that and we all of our 181 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: popcorn out even though we're not going to find out 182 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: because it's executive session, as you pointed out, that's in 183 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: closed doors. They don't even keep notes, so we're not 184 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: going to really get all the details maybe ever. And 185 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: that's kind of consistent with what happened the other day. 186 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: Going back to Signal ninety nine, Ken, she's pointed out 187 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: and made an announcement that the executive session just the 188 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: other earlier this week to discuss a former or at 189 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: least unadministrative le police chief, Teresa Thiji. They were given 190 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: an ORR report from Frost, Brown and Todd, who has 191 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: retained to investigate the whole situation because Ken and correct 192 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. When she was placed on administrative leave, 193 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: they didn't cite any particular action that justified it. They 194 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: just put her on leave. 195 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: Right. 196 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: We never did find out what the impetus was behind that, 197 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: did we No? 198 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. In fact, I was part of this whole 199 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 2: investigation is determine whether or not she should still be 200 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: the police chief. And it's like it's I kind of 201 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: it's kind of like making an arrest and then decide 202 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: what the charges are going to be. Yeah, And it's 203 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: just it's wrong the way that that Chief Figi has 204 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: been treated, and it's it's not surprising that we're doing 205 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: more things in executive session and I think it's important 206 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: to note that the law firm does an oral report. 207 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: They don't They don't want to put anything in writing 208 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 2: because because clearly what they're signaling is there's nothing here. 209 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: Because otherwise, why would you not put a report in 210 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: writing saying here, here's what we discovered. Here you go, Well, 211 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 2: they're not going to do that because they're not going 212 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: to put their name on the line and say that, yes, 213 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: you have just cause to fire her because it's just. 214 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: Not there, well not there, or you know, if there 215 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: was a reason, certainly they would let the public know 216 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: because it would at least provide some measure of justification 217 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: for putting her on administrative leave in the first place. 218 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: The silence, I think proves that there was nothing there. 219 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, we're talking now that 220 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 2: they's spent almost fifty thousand dollars and coax payer dollars, 221 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars, it cocks pair dollars, and it's nothing 222 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: but silence. 223 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: Well, and according to the Well, again, we're apparently relying 224 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: on an inside source that provided signal ninety nine with 225 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: what the Frostbound Todd oral statement said. And the point 226 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: is apparently they spoke about some nepotism, favoritism, that she 227 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: lacked leadership. Some of the police officers believe that. Now. 228 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: I guarantee any police chief that's running this inside police department, 229 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: there are gonna be some officers that'll suggest there's lack 230 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: of leadership or favoritism. So that seems to be run 231 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: of the mill. Maybe some handling of the issues regarding 232 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: Somemmer violence, but nothing else, no cause for termination, and 233 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: we hear nothing from the city on this. The silence 234 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: is definitely again going back to executive session. We're not 235 00:11:58,440 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: entitled to be there, so we got to rely on 236 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: inside sources. So is this true? Is it not? Maybe 237 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: we'll find out, But as of right now, I think 238 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: we're setting ourselves up for yet writing yet another settlement check. 239 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: If they don't do right by Fiji and put her 240 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: back in her position, I think she's going to have 241 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: a lawsuit on our hands. 242 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's likely, and don't know. Maybe that's 243 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: why we're going to raise the eat able to pay 244 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: for some of these lawsuits. But it's interesting if what's 245 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: being said is true, that these are the reasons. You know, 246 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: I've been here almost twenty six years now, worked under 247 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: several different police chiefs. You know, I regularly talk to 248 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,599 Speaker 2: retired guys that were cops in the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, 249 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: well before me that have complained about these same things. 250 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like, So that was my I was like, under, 251 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: is there any police chief that is completely one percent 252 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,599 Speaker 1: supported and endorsed by every single police officer? And I 253 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: think we all know, like he just said, no, never, 254 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: That's never happened. 255 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: Every So the interesting thing is, if that's the case, 256 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: and this is what they're going to try to hang 257 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 2: their hat on, they're expecting Chief Fiji to fix a 258 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: culture of policing that has gone on in Cincinnati or 259 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 2: the administration that's gone on in Cincinnati for I don't know, 260 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: let's just say sixty years. You want her to fix 261 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: that in two years? That's just come on. If that's 262 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: what they're hanging their hat on, then yeah, I would 263 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: suspect if they do Terminator, that they can expect to 264 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: face a rather hefty lawsuit. And I think she's probably 265 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: going to have a pretty good chance of prevailing in that. 266 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: Yes, Now, the question is, and I'm not quite sure 267 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: how this all ultimately works given how weird the whole 268 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: scenario is, we have an interim police chief. Since she's 269 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: on administrative leave, is there still a possibility that she 270 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: could be brought back and placed back in the position 271 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: of the police chief. 272 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: I think it's possible, but I think it's also highly unlikely. 273 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: The damage has been done. I mean, it's how could 274 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: she go back and work for the same administration that 275 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: has done this to her? What does that look like? 276 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: I just I don't think that makes any good sense. 277 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: And I think if you asked her, she would probably 278 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 2: agree that at this point the damage has done. If 279 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: I I certainly wouldn't want to know, if I wouldn't 280 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:14,599 Speaker 2: want to come back, and because then you're going to 281 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: be looking over your shoulder, you're going to be walking 282 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: the eggshells. Yes, that's not any way to live. It's 283 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 2: not any way, certainly to try to run a police 284 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: department of nearly a thousand people. I think at this point, 285 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: the best thing that the city could do is come 286 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 2: up with an agreement that both sides can live with, 287 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: and you know, let her retire and move on with life, 288 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: because you know, as bad as this has been, Like 289 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: I said, I just I don't see a scenario where 290 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: she could come back and be able to work in 291 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: these conditions. 292 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is all created what will be a toxic 293 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: work environment for police Chief DGI. So I hear and 294 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: I agree completely with what you're saying. FOP President Ken Cover, 295 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the program today talk about this, 296 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: and I want to thank you on behalf of all 297 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: the CINCINNTI taxpayers for bringing this to everyone's and I'm 298 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: sure since a council members are pretty appreciative of you 299 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: for doing it as well, because at least the ones 300 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: that have talked on record are against the concept of 301 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: writing a check in this particular case. Ken, have a 302 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: wonderful weekend. I hope to talk to you again real 303 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: soon and keep your popcorn out and see if we 304 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: find out anything from our inside sources and council about 305 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: what happens in that closed door no note executive session Monday. 306 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: Take care of my friend. 307 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: Yep, thanks for having me, Brian. I appreciate it. 308 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: Anytime man, anytime, six twenty six check front of me.