Speaker 1: Wolves fans join us January twenty eighth at the Rosemount Legion.
Speaker 1: It's a Michelov Ultra watch party with Cafanes Max Fuller
Speaker 1: seven thirty to nine thirty pm with trivia prizes and
Speaker 1: drink specials.
Speaker 2: On the details of Cafe dot Com. Keyword calendar.
Speaker 3: Is supposed to be Pink Floyd. This is like a
Speaker 3: Pink Floyd ripoff bit. I would guess this is the
Speaker 3: Light Side of the Moon. Brilliant, what a great album,
Speaker 3: but guaranteed human right, I'm sure this is an actual band.
Speaker 2: It might be.
Speaker 1: I mean, we do have a library of a lot
Speaker 1: of I mean before this salt Ai stuff.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of this stuff here too.
Speaker 3: So one hundred percent we would never use Ai no ever.
Speaker 2: Timmy and Cris are debating something over there. Oh. I
Speaker 2: probably shouldn't have put the camera on there. Oh what
Speaker 2: are they doing?
Speaker 3: I don't think they know they're there, gesturing, going on
Speaker 3: some pretty graphic moves.
Speaker 2: Oh no, again, you know what you're talking about?
Speaker 4: Nothing bad, nothing bad.
Speaker 5: You know what we're talking nothing bad?
Speaker 2: Well, then share with the class. We can guess.
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, you guys know we've talked about it this morning. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we were already talking about it, you know, we're talking.
Speaker 2: About oh got it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, only I just yeah, I just saw some
Speaker 5: demonstration video. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You needed a visual aid?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 5: The visual that I got was not the visual I
Speaker 5: was hoping for.
Speaker 2: The visual almost gave you aids.
Speaker 3: Well, well, well.
Speaker 2: We have your landman take quickly before you were escorted out.
Speaker 5: Yeah you don't like it, do you?
Speaker 2: That's so sad. No, I don't why I don't. Can
Speaker 2: I say something before? Yes? Please? Please?
Speaker 1: You have?
Speaker 4: Are you just seeing contrarian to be contrarian, to be
Speaker 4: the other side.
Speaker 2: There's no way that you don't like it.
Speaker 4: This would hit you right in between the eyes.
Speaker 2: I tell you, what if if this show, if this
Speaker 2: show was first and Yellowstone came later, I might be
Speaker 2: like everybody else like this is great, Like this is fun. Right.
Speaker 2: I'm so burnt out by the tailor shared and writing
Speaker 2: in over dramatics of every scene from Yellowstone, Like I
Speaker 2: couldn't wait for Yellowstone just to be over. I'm like
Speaker 2: there's a point where I'm like, not every scene has
Speaker 2: AK forty seven's on a ranch, Like that's just not
Speaker 2: that's not real life. Like it was fun. It was
Speaker 2: a fun watch in the beginning, and then I think
Speaker 2: it just got so ridiculous, and I got tired of
Speaker 2: the ridiculousness where you know, every piece of dialogue has
Speaker 2: to be just so smoky and dramatic. You know, it's
Speaker 2: like talk slower Tom later, you know. So it's it's
Speaker 2: I'm exhausted by him, And I thought when I watched
Speaker 2: the first three, I think I watched three episodes of Landman.
Speaker 2: I was trying to get into it, but then when
Speaker 2: they started, I know, this sounds like such an old man,
Speaker 2: This is such a dumb take, But I think it's
Speaker 2: just because it's because I am so exhausted by him.
Speaker 2: The sexualization of his high school daughter in like episode
Speaker 2: two or whatever three, I'm like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2: Like she's supposed to be like sixteen or seventeen years old,
Speaker 2: and she's like a big focal point in the background,
Speaker 2: trapesing around in a bikini at the pool with this
Speaker 2: seventy year old assistant sitting at the kitchen table trying
Speaker 2: not to have thoughts and feelings about this sixteen year old.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what what are we doing? Like they're allowing
Speaker 2: the boyfriend to spend the night on the couch and like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like does this really need to be
Speaker 2: part of this over drum Like get to the oil
Speaker 2: rigs blown up? That was kind of fun, right, that
Speaker 2: was cool. Billy Bob's amazing, Like his individual character and
Speaker 2: his performance is great. I'm just exhausted by Taylor's Sheridan.
Speaker 2: I think it's just a hard watch. There's so many
Speaker 2: unrealistic things, Like once you started to show how unrealistic
Speaker 2: his writing was in Yellowstone and then it carried over
Speaker 2: into Landman, I'm like, I'm out. I'm not putting up
Speaker 2: with this. My mom watched Dallas and all that stuff
Speaker 2: when she was grown up, and I'm like, this is
Speaker 2: just a modern version of Dallas and all of those
Speaker 2: late night dramatic TV shows. I'm like, this is a
Speaker 2: soap opera on steroids, and I'm not here for it.
Speaker 2: I never saw Yellowstone. Maybe that's why I like, you
Speaker 2: never saw Yellowstone? Never watch it?
Speaker 5: You you were my god, dude, you would, oh.
Speaker 6: My god, would.
Speaker 5: As a cowboy the next day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would move to a farm. You know you
Speaker 2: loved Yellowstone right when you saw it? You probably did.
Speaker 2: I loved it. Yeah. I feel about Landman right now.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is the best. See I never saw Yellowstone,
Speaker 2: So I think if you if you get through land
Speaker 2: Man and it has the same arc that Yellowstone has. I
Speaker 2: think if you started watching yellow Stream, like I'm just
Speaker 2: watching the same show just in a different formsion. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: that makes sense. I could I can buy into that.
Speaker 2: That makes sense in my head. Big Balls, that makes
Speaker 2: a lot of sense for sure. As Big Balls. Well,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that Ripper.
Speaker 4: What's his name, Billy Bob's character, Who's.
Speaker 2: Who's more of a badass? Oh? Rip? I see man,
Speaker 2: it's Rip really, so Billy Bob would be Kevin Costner
Speaker 2: if there was like ah, if there was, like are
Speaker 2: a comparison Billy Bob.
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't know that there's a difference between
Speaker 5: real life Billy Bob and the character he plays in Landman.
Speaker 5: That's true, you know, I don't know if you can
Speaker 5: separate the two. And I know that Taylor Shardan wrote
Speaker 5: the parts specifically for Billy Bob. But I will say this,
Speaker 5: I love both shows, but if I could, I would
Speaker 5: go in and edit out a lot of each episode
Speaker 5: that I don't need if you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It's the same with the Yellowstone. There's a lot of
Speaker 5: things that happened that I was like, this is superfluous,
Speaker 5: getting back to beating people up with lamb man. It's like,
Speaker 5: this is superfluous. Get back to telling me you know
Speaker 5: what's going on with the oil and so I can
Speaker 5: I can agree with you on that. But that said,
Speaker 5: the Billy About character is one of my favorite characters
Speaker 5: ever on television. I love this this character, he's he's
Speaker 5: just a straight talker, and then you add in an
Speaker 5: old dude with the mustache this season, Eliott. It's so
Speaker 5: good and.
Speaker 4: I love that it feels like Friday Night Lights, like
Speaker 4: it's in the same it does.
Speaker 2: It's in the same town.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it feels like it feels like Mojo is
Speaker 4: going to go play on Friday Night.
Speaker 2: And you're like, I've still never seen that. I've seen
Speaker 2: the movie the TV show. I love a TV show.
Speaker 2: I have males. Friday Night Lights was beloved every Friday
Speaker 2: Night Lights. The movie like change my High School everybody.
Speaker 2: So I am too stubborn to even give the same
Speaker 2: the TV show a chance. I watch it million. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't want it.
Speaker 4: I don't want that to get tainted at all because
Speaker 4: that Booby Miles and everybody that changed my life.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to watch.
Speaker 4: No, it's yeah, no, I can't watch it.
Speaker 2: I can't everyone. Yeah, I've heard everybody loves it, and
Speaker 2: I get the response like that when people are like,
Speaker 2: you would have never watched Friday Night Lights to show
Speaker 2: my Crown. No, I've never watched it.
Speaker 1: One of the best TV shows of all time, that's
Speaker 1: what they say. It would not taint it at all.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think you would really like it. It's
Speaker 1: horrificad you probably love.
Speaker 2: Matt, Sarahs and Tommy. Come on now, who's Matt sarason
Speaker 2: ism Regan's Uh no, that's the quarterback Eric Taylor Instagram.
Speaker 2: Speaking of good looking.
Speaker 4: People, have you guys seen a Lordie and uh the
Speaker 4: previews of that with what's her name, Robbie?
Speaker 2: Have you seen that? Have you heard about that Wuthering Heights, right? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Have you heard like how she got so infatuated with
Speaker 4: him on set that she needed to be by him
Speaker 4: all the time.
Speaker 2: She said she was a code dependent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like she couldn't stand with Autumn like that.
Speaker 3: Doesn't she married. Yeah, that's a problem.
Speaker 2: And that's how good looking this lord he is? We
Speaker 2: know him. You know what I said about him last
Speaker 2: She said that about herself, like she had to be
Speaker 2: around him in an interview. Yeah, and she's married. He
Speaker 2: crushed her. I don't know him, think of that.
Speaker 5: But imagine if like Sess said that and Tommy be like,
Speaker 5: I agree, Yeah, this guy tom.
Speaker 4: But he is a studhorn just become best friends.
Speaker 5: You really should maybe go see him?
Speaker 2: Says yeah, finally have something in common. Fascinating. What's this
Speaker 2: lord Jacobi? He was in Yeah, and uh know Zach Zach.
Speaker 2: You don't think he's.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's hideous, but I don't think I
Speaker 1: don't I don't understand the infatuation with him, Like, okay, looking,
Speaker 1: he's good looking, but like it's not like the guy
Speaker 1: eleven out of ten that I think we talked about
Speaker 1: it last week, Like the generation gap is there's something
Speaker 1: about the next generation that really loves you.
Speaker 3: Ben ask Games because you know, Bailey is only a
Speaker 3: couple of years older than her. That whole generation that is,
Speaker 3: like the hard throb of their generation is Jacob Elordi.
Speaker 2: They were all obsessed with him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's he's he's up there for sure. I don't
Speaker 6: see why you couldn't. He's got great hair, forehead of
Speaker 6: a football helmet.
Speaker 7: Oh, Bill, Kurt, Noach, can I can I ask you
Speaker 7: a question that you could maybe redeem yourself from about
Speaker 7: eight years ago one through ten Eric's cetter home.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Probably a say eight, Okay, saved.
Speaker 2: Look a look at him. My god, he's not looking
Speaker 2: at chi. He's more your type, clearly.
Speaker 4: No, it's no. I just you've called him a six
Speaker 4: in the past, and no, I.
Speaker 2: Know I think that was Dove.
Speaker 3: But he was little maintenance, so that gives you two
Speaker 3: extra points like an eight. It's been said on this
Speaker 3: show multiple times, or at least his hair waves multiple times, Tommy.
Speaker 3: But don't forget Zach also thinks Patrick Swayze's dead from
Speaker 3: the neck up. It's talking about Bodie the boat is
Speaker 3: off dead.
Speaker 2: From the neck. Understand Zach's type.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I've gotten a lot of people coming
Speaker 1: out of the woodwork and agreeing.
Speaker 4: With me in that about No, that's no.
Speaker 1: I think he's. Yeah, he's fine. But where Center Holmes
Speaker 1: yoga videos. I'm trying to find them.
Speaker 2: I got them. Nobody thinks you're kidding. Nobody thinks you're kitty.
Speaker 8: You've never done yoga to him though, definitely sweated Sticky.
Speaker 2: So good.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Sticky, so we got to get this audio.
Speaker 3: I should have got this before the show. You're familiar
Speaker 3: with mad Dog Chris mad Dog Russo.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, there's a fifteen.
Speaker 3: Second clip that somebody posted yesterday. He calls the Denver
Speaker 3: quarterback Jared Stickham, and he isn't trying to be funny.
Speaker 3: He just mispronounced it and said stick him. So that's
Speaker 3: mad Dog. Mad Dog can't say it. So, yeah, you
Speaker 3: should feel better. Well, thank you. You didn't say stick them,
Speaker 3: you said Stedman Stidman. Yeah, he said stick them. That's
Speaker 3: way that's way off. So you and mad Dog are
Speaker 3: in the same club, Tommy and Ben and I are
Speaker 3: in the same club, the driveway club.
Speaker 2: Careful, Tommy, you like to do to ceter home? Stick them?
Speaker 4: Yeah, good luck tomorrow in the driveway club.
Speaker 2: By the way, guys, it's gonna be a big one
Speaker 2: for you, it's a big one for us. Do you
Speaker 2: want to get through it? Though? Do you want Ben
Speaker 2: and I to join your watching?
Speaker 3: Eric setter home yoga video club or you want to
Speaker 3: be on your own on that one.
Speaker 2: Yes, at least you guys.
Speaker 4: Okay, should we all film our mornings.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow when we're going to start our cars? Be able
Speaker 2: to feel my hands? How am I supposed to film anything?
Speaker 6: I know?
Speaker 2: But it'd be kind of fun, wouldn't it. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: all compare it. We can, we compare notes. We'll put
Speaker 2: it on Twitter. We should do it shirtless. Okay, you.
Speaker 3: Guys, all right, Sauce does sports after this on the
Speaker 3: fan fan.
Speaker 5: And by tom there you goes, how should more?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 5: You know we haven't talked sports much at all. You
Speaker 5: should do that? Should win? We look sports guys.
Speaker 2: Right, Sauce, here's your time to shine.
Speaker 5: Fan five on the Power Trip presented by All around
Speaker 5: your Timber Tech deck building.
Speaker 6: Can bye?
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 8: The Minnesota Vikings announced yesterday they will be bringing back
Speaker 8: Brian Flores as long as he doesn't get a head
Speaker 8: coaching job, so he will not be making a lateral move.
Speaker 8: We'll probably talk more about it in Vikings news, but
Speaker 8: Ben your quick thoughts.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a great first step and again we'll have
Speaker 2: to wait till after the whole football season until you know,
Speaker 2: if the Rams get beat this weekend against Seattle, then
Speaker 2: I think the floodgates will open because there's a lot
Speaker 2: of assistants that are on some head coaching dockets, and
Speaker 2: these teams are waiting for them to get done so
Speaker 2: they can have actual in person interviews with them instead
Speaker 2: as zoom calls. So I think once those dominoes start
Speaker 2: to fall, we'll have a better understanding if he's going
Speaker 2: to be our decordinator, if he's going to be moved
Speaker 2: on into the next phase of the head coaching search.
Speaker 8: Sweet the Wolves battle the Bulls tonight at seven o'clock
Speaker 8: at the Target Center. Your Wolves have lost three straight,
Speaker 8: but Max, so they are nine and a half point
Speaker 8: favorites tonight.
Speaker 2: They're talking about something else. So, yeah, we're.
Speaker 5: Discussing the show. I'm sorry what we're saying.
Speaker 8: Oh about the Wolves battle out of bulls. What we're
Speaker 8: talking about.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: We should have our mics because we were talking about
Speaker 5: the bulls.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm super excited about the Bulls. I had to
Speaker 6: tell them Michael Jordan's not playing.
Speaker 5: I had no idea, he said. Dwight Pippen wasn't either.
Speaker 8: It's been a couple of years got from the office. Yep,
Speaker 8: Dwight Max. So your thoughts, Yeah, Wellves.
Speaker 2: It's been it's been a little a little rough for
Speaker 2: them lately.
Speaker 6: Uh, that game against the Jazz the other night was
Speaker 6: a burutal. I mean, it's not one of the worst
Speaker 6: losses of the season, but still you want to you
Speaker 6: want to get your your ass together against a team
Speaker 6: like the Utah Jazz, especially in a tightly knit Western Conference,
Speaker 6: because now what it was like a week ago. I
Speaker 6: was just telling you guys, they were what half a game,
Speaker 6: game and a half out of being the second seed,
Speaker 6: and now I believe last time I checked, their the
Speaker 6: seventh seed in the Western Conference. And if the playoffs
Speaker 6: started today, which luckily they don't, they'd be in the
Speaker 6: play in And obviously we can check the standings every day.
Speaker 6: It's going to be people are going to be Joscelyn
Speaker 6: for playoff position and untill the eighty second game of
Speaker 6: the season.
Speaker 2: That's just how the Western Conference is.
Speaker 6: But you gotta stack wins against the Utah Jazzes of
Speaker 6: the world or the Chicago Bulls of the world, who
Speaker 6: were really hot to start the season. Kind of like
Speaker 6: the surprise team of the first two weeks and then
Speaker 6: promptly came right back down to earth. So Anthony Edwards,
Speaker 6: I mean, he's been unstoppable lately. Offensively, he's just he's
Speaker 6: just taking his game to another level. He pretty much
Speaker 6: is liable to drop forty thirty five plus a night.
Speaker 6: He's pretty much unstoppable, thanks man. And so I think
Speaker 6: they got to they gotta get a win here because
Speaker 6: they've lost what three in a row, and that's that
Speaker 6: Jazz game was pretty brutal.
Speaker 8: How about this Mike Conley in that losing streak of
Speaker 8: three games, he has scored six points.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, here's the nation to the Timberwolves.
Speaker 2: Be a better team. I mean, yeah, the nation's right
Speaker 2: for once.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they got an I mean, I don't even know
Speaker 8: what you do with Mike Conley.
Speaker 6: But it's over for Mike com Yeah, they need to
Speaker 6: before this trade deadline, they're probably going to be looking
Speaker 6: at the point guard situation and definitely need to be
Speaker 6: looking at the backup center situation because once when Rudy's
Speaker 6: not playing, this team is pretty abysmal defensively, so but there,
Speaker 6: I mean offensively, they're they're they're up there. They their
Speaker 6: top ten team in pretty much most categories. They they
Speaker 6: just have to put it all together at the right time,
Speaker 6: and they were winning against the Jazz. They just had
Speaker 6: a giant fourth quarter collapse and let Kyante George who
Speaker 6: scored forty something points. So it's just, yeah, it was
Speaker 6: a disaster, but hopefully get back on the on the
Speaker 6: bandwagon here against the Bulls.
Speaker 8: The Wild host the Red Wings tonight at six thirty.
Speaker 8: In that game could be heard on the fan. The
Speaker 8: Wild are twenty.
Speaker 2: Eight eight thirty. Oh exact.
Speaker 8: I haven't had eight thirty written down, but you said
Speaker 8: six thirty. Yeah. Man, I actually had so much faith
Speaker 8: in you have nowhere near the button hanging, and I
Speaker 8: thought you were to do.
Speaker 2: It, that you can do it.
Speaker 8: The Wild are twenty eight, nineteen and nine, but the
Speaker 8: Red Wings are thirty one, sixteen and four.
Speaker 3: Yeture I think the Wild they're twenty eight fourteen to nine.
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead and sack party.
Speaker 1: It's all good. It's all good, it's all It doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter in the end. Everybody's I'm trying to just
Speaker 1: maintain pace here in a very very competitive paradis Is
Speaker 1: that a word?
Speaker 2: What the hell is that? A lot of parody, paradis paradise,
Speaker 2: but I don't mind.
Speaker 1: Greek ancestor very paradis league. Right now in the NHL,
Speaker 1: everybody's going up and down. The teams that were bad
Speaker 1: are now all of a sudden good, Some good teams
Speaker 1: are all of a sudden bad. Wild coming off of
Speaker 1: a very successful road trip, could have been a little
Speaker 1: bit more, but sure, why not. You know, we'll always
Speaker 1: regret Montreal a little bit. But regardless, home four game
Speaker 1: homestand starts tonight, very on the fan. It's a very
Speaker 1: good Red Wings team that is surging as of late,
Speaker 1: so hopefully they can get the job done and then
Speaker 1: get into Hockey Day and by the way, Hockey Day tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Still on Iowa Wild, Milwaukee Admirals Parker.
Speaker 1: Fox and I we join in progress at six o'clock
Speaker 1: right here in the fan's cool.
Speaker 2: There is no single word.
Speaker 3: This is, according to AI, no single word commonly used
Speaker 3: that means a large amount of parody.
Speaker 2: A high concentration of.
Speaker 3: Or volume of parody would be an avalanche of parody,
Speaker 3: a flood of parody, a barrage of parody. But there
Speaker 3: is no singular word like paradis.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'd use any of those other descriptive
Speaker 2: words for parody, either an avalanche of.
Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and just use paradis. That's good, let's
Speaker 5: start it, let's do it. Good job. That should be
Speaker 5: a state Fair T shirt.
Speaker 1: So you believe the NHL is very paradis, very paradise,
Speaker 1: It was very and look at the NBA. Look at
Speaker 1: the playoffs standings right now, and I mean it's the
Speaker 1: difference between them and Max. Right It's like a couple
Speaker 1: of games here and there.
Speaker 6: The Wolves going on a three game losing streak, and
Speaker 6: now they were in the plane and they were you know,
Speaker 6: if they had gone on a three game winning streak,
Speaker 6: they'd be the second seed.
Speaker 1: Possibly, has there been a more paradis season in the
Speaker 1: NBA definition?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 8: The NFL Final Four is set, and this all goes
Speaker 8: down on Sunday when the Pats are at Denver at
Speaker 8: two pm. The Pats, though, are a four and a
Speaker 8: half point favorite because Jarrett Stidham is starting for the Broncos.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Ben your thoughts. Here's the funny thing is,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm actually surprised that Stidham hasn't had a better
Speaker 2: NFL career. I was a big fan of his when
Speaker 2: he was in Baylor. I heard a lot about him
Speaker 2: coming out of college. I think he was a four
Speaker 2: or five star and our briles like hands selected him
Speaker 2: to come into that that offense in which we all,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we respect is you know, maybe
Speaker 2: not some of his techniques. Obviously he's not in the
Speaker 2: in college football anymore, but there was a time in
Speaker 2: that moment where he was sort of like this guru
Speaker 2: that was was really being applauded for his talent evaluation.
Speaker 2: So point being said, I thought that he has like
Speaker 2: all the makeup to be a great quarterback or a
Speaker 2: good quarterback in the NFL and just hasn't materialized. We're
Speaker 2: here in all this inflation of how he can run
Speaker 2: this offense and his connection to that offense, and he's
Speaker 2: been doing it, and he looks great, and he has
Speaker 2: all the confidence of Sean Payton and all these other
Speaker 2: all this other stuff that's like, yes, you want to
Speaker 2: hear all that going to in a huge game like this.
Speaker 2: I just don't see how he's going to take his
Speaker 2: first real snaps in two years against this style of defense.
Speaker 2: The Patriots defense is after you know, certainly watching it
Speaker 2: firsthand last week. I mean, they are in they are
Speaker 2: as aggressive as Brian Flores is blitzing everybody, and I
Speaker 2: just don't see him having success. It's and the thing is,
Speaker 2: it's not fair to him. I mean, this is a
Speaker 2: really tough spot to come into, but I think throughout
Speaker 2: the four quarters, the defenses is going to give them
Speaker 2: too many fits. I don't see them scoring in like
Speaker 2: really any points. I don't see them moving the ball
Speaker 2: that well for a lot of things. I just said,
Speaker 2: because of all the all the blitzing, all that, the
Speaker 2: interior play of the Patriots defensive line is going to
Speaker 2: eat their lunch. So I think this is a Patriots
Speaker 2: win by at least ten, maybe you know more than that.
Speaker 2: So I would definitely take the Patriots, right.
Speaker 5: I can I ask you a question about last week's
Speaker 5: game real quick?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 5: Can you explain to me why that was an interception
Speaker 5: and not a catch.
Speaker 2: Because he left their ground? It's a it's a pretty
Speaker 2: The thing is, I don't understand the I really.
Speaker 5: Don't about the same play I'm talking about in the
Speaker 5: Denver Broncos game.
Speaker 2: Were cooks. Yeah, Yeah, that's it because he left the
Speaker 2: ground because to me, I don't know why there's such
Speaker 2: a big debate.
Speaker 5: Interesting because I am Actually it seemed to me like
Speaker 5: he caught the ball and he landed on his back
Speaker 5: and then the guy took the ball away.
Speaker 2: So this is my interpretation of the law that i've
Speaker 2: that I thought has been around ever since we decided
Speaker 2: we have to talk about what's a catch not a
Speaker 2: catch any the way I The way I understand it is,
Speaker 2: anytime a player leaves the ground to make a catch,
Speaker 2: you have to survive the ground in the process of
Speaker 2: surviving the ground for to be a catch. If if
Speaker 2: that ball was caught in stride, he takes a step
Speaker 2: or two and goes down to the ground with the
Speaker 2: with the defensive player contacting him, they go down to
Speaker 2: the ground, tumble like they did same movements, ball comes out.
Speaker 2: That's a catch, that's not an interception. The second a
Speaker 2: player leaves the ground, you have to survive the ground.
Speaker 2: So he didn't survive the ground, Okay, So like if
Speaker 2: that ball is not underthrown and he didn't have to
Speaker 2: like go up and make and make a chesty catch
Speaker 2: in the air, then then we're not talking about that.
Speaker 2: But because the ball was slightly underthrown, he had to
Speaker 2: make an adjustment. He leapt off the ground. You got
Speaker 2: to survive the ground. Sorry, that's that's the law.
Speaker 5: That is the first explanation I've heard of that, And
Speaker 5: maybe its because I haven't looked deep enough, but nobody's
Speaker 5: explained it to.
Speaker 8: Me like that.
Speaker 5: Really, the letter of the law tells me, then, that
Speaker 5: that is an interception, because reality, reason tells me that's
Speaker 5: not an interception. But the law the penalty. That's okay,
Speaker 5: got it?
Speaker 2: I hate it, Yeah, I don't like it, but that's
Speaker 2: the interpretation of the rule.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's perfect. That's what I needed to know.
Speaker 3: I do believe that Sean McDermott was right, though, and
Speaker 3: he should have thrown a bigger fit in the moment.
Speaker 3: One of his points in the postgame press conference was,
Speaker 3: even if you want to say it was an interception,
Speaker 3: he was surprised the NFL didn't slow the game down
Speaker 3: and take a much deeper look at to play. That
Speaker 3: was going to mean the game, right, if that's a catch,
Speaker 3: the Bills are overwhelmingly likely winning the game. So this
Speaker 3: is for everything. And his point was, what was it
Speaker 3: twenty seconds? Let's go on, Yeah, He's like, how do
Speaker 3: you not stop the game and make sure that that
Speaker 3: call is correct and look at it. We've seen plays
Speaker 3: that are much more insignificant take way longer than that.
Speaker 3: That was a super tight play and you look at
Speaker 3: it more than twenty seconds, I think, go.
Speaker 2: On, because I think the officials in New York said,
Speaker 2: I think it was pretty clear cut. It wasn't a
Speaker 2: frame by frame did he leave the ground? He leapt
Speaker 2: off the ground. That is obvious. That's open and obvious.
Speaker 2: So the result is exactly what happened. He did not
Speaker 2: survive the ground. So that's an interception.
Speaker 5: And going back to Klosterman's book about football, which we
Speaker 5: were talking about the first segment and if you heard
Speaker 5: it or not, Ben, but Chuck.
Speaker 2: Clusterman, Yeah, yeah, I'm excited to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exciting one of the things. And I think
Speaker 5: this is actually a perfect example of what he's talking about.
Speaker 5: One of the reasons that we love football so much
Speaker 5: is because there are rules, and you there's chaos, but
Speaker 5: within the rules, there's chaos. And the problem with that
Speaker 5: play and so many plays, is that the rules change
Speaker 5: so often and sometimes the rules make no sense reasonably
Speaker 5: that that's when America football fandom gets angry because common
Speaker 5: sense doesn't play within the rules, if you know what I.
Speaker 2: Mean, Yes, I agree. And the thing is it is
Speaker 2: maddening because I think the NFL is overltigious, Like there's
Speaker 2: way too many rules and stuff like that, which is
Speaker 2: why a lot of Europeans and people around the world
Speaker 2: don't like foot the American football because there's too many rules,
Speaker 2: Like every.
Speaker 5: Try to explain it to somebody who doesn't understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's impossible. It's impossible. You just have to grow up,
Speaker 2: like absorbing it through osmosis and just like repetition of
Speaker 2: watching the game. What the bigger problem that I have
Speaker 2: was the past interference call that got them down to
Speaker 2: kick the game winning field goal. I think that has
Speaker 2: to be completely overhauled and that and that is past
Speaker 2: interference is so subjective. You know, there is the rule
Speaker 2: and then there is the personal subjectivity of the actual
Speaker 2: official throwing the flag. I think anytime a ball is underthrown,
Speaker 2: if the ball is underthrown and the receiver has to
Speaker 2: stop his forward momentum to come back to the football
Speaker 2: and there's contact inadvertent contact, which like I think that
Speaker 2: that was an inadvertent contact by the defensive player that
Speaker 2: is not defensive pass interference. That is impossible to not
Speaker 2: make contact in those situations. So you cannot make that
Speaker 2: call in that part of the game. If you want
Speaker 2: to make that call in the first quarter, fine, I
Speaker 2: still don't like it. But to make that weighty of
Speaker 2: a call in that moment I think is egregious and
Speaker 2: I think all these officials should have they you have
Speaker 2: to swallow your whistle in that situation because that is
Speaker 2: because what is every gofense going to do then and
Speaker 2: critical moments? Just heave the ball up. They're already kind
Speaker 2: of doing that in the NFL, but like just slightly
Speaker 2: underthrow football and have the receiver. What if he just stops,
Speaker 2: if he goes full speed, puts his brakes on and stops.
Speaker 2: Find me a defensive player that can put his brakes
Speaker 2: on and react in that fast moment and not make contact.
Speaker 2: It's impotsossible.
Speaker 1: It seemed like he was doing that intentionally twice in
Speaker 1: a row.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like it's and.
Speaker 1: Then you saw it and as soon as the ball
Speaker 1: was heaved up in the air like that, like he
Speaker 1: had not thrown it all game long, it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is exactly what they're going for, and they got
Speaker 1: exactly like the moon balls.
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson used to Yeah.
Speaker 5: And they had been letting him play, so to say,
Speaker 5: the entire game until that series.
Speaker 2: Ye, yeah, yeah, I mean it's unfortunate. I mean McDermot
Speaker 2: gets fired.
Speaker 5: What a weird situation.
Speaker 2: What a weird situation. And you know, look, I mean
Speaker 2: there's obviously some stuff going on with Brandon Bean and
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, obviously he positioned himself being
Speaker 2: positioned himself to be the good guy in the whole situation,
Speaker 2: which I think there's a lot of I mean, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of Bills fans out there that would say otherwise,
Speaker 2: But whatever. I mean, it's how razor thin the NFL is.
Speaker 2: You know, he he is a a few officiating calls
Speaker 2: away from you know, having his team in the AFC
Speaker 2: Championship without Patrick Homes and without all these other obstacles.
Speaker 2: And because an official got overly officious, he lost his job.
Speaker 8: Ye.
Speaker 5: Officious. That's a word, is it? The other one that
Speaker 5: was not and I've already forgotten what it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I used a word on the on the
Speaker 2: Patriots game that I don't think is a word, and
Speaker 2: I'm so glad it didn't like it caught.
Speaker 9: Delicious, delicious, stick them delicious, I said Diddley Bob, No,
Speaker 9: I said something about Drake may needing to be take
Speaker 9: a more legged approach.
Speaker 2: You did say that, Yeah, you did say that. I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't think that that's even a thing.
Speaker 2: But I wanted him to use his legs more. I
Speaker 2: want him to run more and be more more mobile
Speaker 2: in a certain situation.
Speaker 1: Is it No, it's having legs or a specified kind
Speaker 1: or number.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just don't think that I did in the
Speaker 2: right way.
Speaker 5: Because I think that's referring to like that's a four
Speaker 5: legged beast.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you definitely wanted him to be two legged. Yeah,
Speaker 10: us his two legs. I didn't want him to lose
Speaker 10: a leg out. There's a strong tape. Jason mccordy agreed,
Speaker 10: Jason or Devin Jason.
Speaker 3: Jason Jason, Ye, Well, I thought that was an absolute
Speaker 3: avalanche of good information.
Speaker 2: Same, a barrage of good sports information.
Speaker 5: It was delicious.
Speaker 3: It's paradise. That's just me mispronouncing paradise correct. Vikings News
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Speaker 3: after this on the fan, Hey, welcome.
Speaker 5: Back seven forty eight. Mortshill getting funky. Now a little
Speaker 5: bit of that Vikings News.
Speaker 2: It's time for Vikings News on the Power Trip, presented
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Speaker 3: The Vikings extended Brian Flores with the asterisk that he
Speaker 3: stays if he doesn't get a head coaching job. So
Speaker 3: we still can ask the question, do you believe Brian
Speaker 3: Flores will be back in twenty twenty six?
Speaker 2: Yes, way more so now than I was when we
Speaker 2: talked about this at the end of the season.
Speaker 3: So explain the timing, Like if he's still in the
Speaker 3: running for the Ravens or the Steelers, or maybe there's
Speaker 3: another job that he interviews for, why sign it now
Speaker 3: this extension? Now, how does that give him leverage as
Speaker 3: opposed to just continuing the head coaching cycle. Still interview
Speaker 3: talk to the Vikings and have this on maybe even
Speaker 3: a gentleman's agreement like this is possible, like, hey, look,
Speaker 3: if I don't get these jobs, we can still do this.
Speaker 3: Give me the number one reason why they timed it
Speaker 3: like this and signed this yesterday, Well.
Speaker 2: I just think it's mutually beneficial that if they give
Speaker 2: him the opportunity to still move up and take a
Speaker 2: head coaching job. I don't know why you wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to have the job security of knowing like I have
Speaker 2: a job, like I got a job. The terms work out,
Speaker 2: the number works out. It it gives, in good faith
Speaker 2: to the Vikings, the idea that I'm not gonna make
Speaker 2: a lateral move, that I'm gonna be your guy. It
Speaker 2: does do the Vikings a solid which I think is
Speaker 2: is a smart thing to do. Doesn't leave them hanging
Speaker 2: for okay, and you know, when the season's over and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now we get into the true offseason,
Speaker 2: we're gonna start, you know, focusing more on the college
Speaker 2: stuff and the draft, that we don't lose our coordinator
Speaker 2: to another coordinator position. And I don't think you know,
Speaker 2: now that he's kind of sniffed around, it doesn't sound
Speaker 2: like he even wants that. I I'd be curious to
Speaker 2: know how much how serious he was about all these
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys rumors and all this other stuff. You know,
Speaker 2: if he takes a head coaching job, nobody's gonna nobody's
Speaker 2: gonna be mad at that, right, Everybody's gonna be like
Speaker 2: very happy for him, So I just think it is
Speaker 2: mutually beneficial to both. He's got a job, it's lot,
Speaker 2: then they're allowed him to move if he takes a
Speaker 2: head coaching job. I think the the idea, and he
Speaker 2: must have a better idea after sitting down with the
Speaker 2: Steelers now for the second time, that the likelihood of
Speaker 2: him being offered the head coaching job at either the
Speaker 2: Ravens or Steelers is probably waning and the possibilities are
Speaker 2: getting less and less. So sign the deal. If if
Speaker 2: by happen chance that they interview some of these the
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator and the defensive coordinator for the Rams, and
Speaker 2: all these other guys that are in these positions that
Speaker 2: can't do in person interviews, if those fall through and
Speaker 2: he's sort of a plan B or C, then they
Speaker 2: can always come back and we'll just have to backfill
Speaker 2: with his with his defensive quarter in position here. But
Speaker 2: I think all likelihood it probably means the writing writing
Speaker 2: is on the wall that he's not going to be
Speaker 2: the top choice for either one of those teams.
Speaker 3: Is there any player on the defense that is directly
Speaker 3: affected by Flores stain.
Speaker 2: Well Harrison Smith? I mean I know that he's he's
Speaker 2: a free agent, but he definitely left the the possibility
Speaker 2: open that if the Vikings, you know, here we are
Speaker 2: with an even number year, if we make a playoff
Speaker 2: run and they want to feel like they want to
Speaker 2: bring him back and he can be helpful. I could
Speaker 2: see him coming back to playing this scheme because Harry
Speaker 2: was very specific that if he did make a choice,
Speaker 2: like Eric Kendricks did this year, that it has to
Speaker 2: be the perfect situation with the right type of defense.
Speaker 2: It cannot be a man coverage heavy defense. It's got
Speaker 2: to be similar to what Brian Flores does. That's the
Speaker 2: only way he'll come back for another season and finish
Speaker 2: out the season. So he could be greatly affected. Certainly,
Speaker 2: I think Van Ginkel and Gernard are greatly affected. I mean,
Speaker 2: if we brought in a coordinator, if we lost him
Speaker 2: and they and the coordinator want to come in and
Speaker 2: run a standard four to three let's just say a
Speaker 2: Tampa two or something like that. I'm not sure those
Speaker 2: guys would fit in a Tampa two. That's not their role.
Speaker 2: They're not a hand on the ground five technique defensive ends.
Speaker 2: So we would be wasting I think player time on
Speaker 2: some player contracts if we went that direction. So it's
Speaker 2: nice that everybody stays pat.
Speaker 8: Do you think there's any chance in these conversations Brian
Speaker 8: had with Koc and all these other people about staying
Speaker 8: and what they were going to do with the team,
Speaker 8: did he say, my defense can play as well as
Speaker 8: it can, but I have to get a similar effort
Speaker 8: on the other side of the ball.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think that that was part of
Speaker 2: the conversation. I think, you know, it's not so siloed
Speaker 2: and compartmentalized within to not understand what's going on on
Speaker 2: the other side of the ball. So I think Bflow
Speaker 2: has a really good understanding of where this team is
Speaker 2: at and what the offense is trending towards, and what
Speaker 2: those decisions might be. Obviously, he doesn't know exactly what
Speaker 2: they're going to be doing in the offseason offensively, but
Speaker 2: I think he understands that we're a good football team
Speaker 2: that's not far away. He's going to focus on the defense,
Speaker 2: continue to have a defense, be a top ten defense
Speaker 2: if he probably understands if I do that, and obviously
Speaker 2: we're gonna make some tweaks for sure. We all understand
Speaker 2: that we still need interier defensive line of help. We
Speaker 2: still need a safety, we still need some some defensive backs.
Speaker 2: Like all of that stuff's in play. But I think
Speaker 2: he understands the nucleus of this defense is going to
Speaker 2: be there. But I don't think that that specific conversation
Speaker 2: probably happened.
Speaker 8: Is this one of the most important drafts in Viking's history?
Speaker 2: One of you? I mean, you know, once again, you've
Speaker 2: got you've got to not only hit on the first round, guy,
Speaker 2: but I think I think that you have to find
Speaker 2: three starters out of this draft. You should, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: and that's not that's not high expectations. I mean I
Speaker 2: think out of every draft, you should find at least
Speaker 2: three three, you know, immediate starters. You know, I think
Speaker 2: your I think your third round of these days, I
Speaker 2: think your third rounder, depending on the position that they're in,
Speaker 2: should be a starter.
Speaker 8: I mean the two first picks of the Seahawks, the
Speaker 8: Guards and then the is it even yeah even worried.
Speaker 8: They're stud and they were their first two picks in
Speaker 8: last year's draft, and they are contributing to a team
Speaker 8: that will probably play in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the thing, Like you want to
Speaker 2: obviously Ideally you want to have two high enders like
Speaker 2: they have the two guys that we just mentioned. But
Speaker 2: you just want guys to start, you know, you say,
Speaker 2: you want guys to go out there and contribute and
Speaker 2: get that game experience. And yeah, they're gonna make mistakes,
Speaker 2: but you just you can't not have them play a
Speaker 2: significant amount of snaps. So yeah, this is a huge,
Speaker 2: a huge draft for us. And you know, my my
Speaker 2: knee jerk reaction right now is will probably go offense
Speaker 2: with that first pick, but we'll see.
Speaker 3: One day ago, Sauce tweeted a gift of Jennifer Lawrence
Speaker 3: going okay, iumbs up there, you know that right, famous meme,
Speaker 3: and he was responding to a Niners Twitter account. Then
Speaker 3: asked this question, So again keep that in mind, is
Speaker 3: a Niners fan or a Niners account? Yes, you know,
Speaker 3: would you do this trade? The Niners receive wide receiver
Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson. No, the Vikings receive quarterback Mac Jones, a
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six second round pick and wide receiver Ricky Piersoll.
Speaker 2: No, one hundred percent. No, I mean that's that's his
Speaker 2: that's this preposterous. As the rumors I heard that the
Speaker 2: Ravens are going to trade Lamar Jackson to the Raiders.
Speaker 2: What no, not if they fired their head coach. Why
Speaker 2: would they do that? Why would we trade our best
Speaker 2: player on the team for Mac Jones? No, I mean
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now Mac Jones is I get it.
Speaker 2: Mac Jones is the next Sam Darnold. I get all
Speaker 2: that could be could not be right, more likely not
Speaker 2: right than could so.
Speaker 3: Since the last time you were here, the charges were
Speaker 3: dropped on Jordan Addison, but we haven't had your opinion
Speaker 3: yet on the whole noodle bar fiasco. This looks like
Speaker 3: it's again much ado about nothing. But in general, how
Speaker 3: do you feel about Jordan Edison and just his general
Speaker 3: sense of judgment?
Speaker 2: General judgment again is still immaturity. You know, if this
Speaker 2: was an isolated incidant, this first time we've ever seen
Speaker 2: him get in trouble, we say a big deal. You
Speaker 2: know you're having a good time. He's drunk at a
Speaker 2: casino and he was probably on a heater. I don't
Speaker 2: know the details. He didn't want to lead ucky or
Speaker 2: he was not on a heater and he wanted to
Speaker 2: make all his money back. Like look, we've all been
Speaker 2: young we've been in a casino, we've all been drunk.
Speaker 2: You know, big deal. But like you said, it's it
Speaker 2: is the it's the history that he has, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's a history of making poor choices.
Speaker 2: And the thing is, dude, we have him for fifth year.
Speaker 2: I don't think that we've exercised that fifth year option.
Speaker 2: He's only hurting himself. He is there. There is potentially
Speaker 2: millions of dollars that he's leaving on the table because
Speaker 2: he cannot make mature decisions and stay out of the media. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I think his future is probably not here
Speaker 2: with the Vikings. And that's not even just a that's
Speaker 2: not just because of his off the field stuff. I
Speaker 2: just don't think it makes sense to pay him probably
Speaker 2: what he deserves to have two high priced wide receivers.
Speaker 2: So my whole thought was he was not going to
Speaker 2: be a long term player here anyway for a second contract.
Speaker 2: But this, I think this absolutely assures the fact that
Speaker 2: he's not going to get a second deal with the Vikings.
Speaker 3: And do you believe Jalen Naylor is good enough to
Speaker 3: be a solid number two wide receiver or would they
Speaker 3: need to address that I.
Speaker 2: Think they would need to address that love. I love
Speaker 2: his development and where he's going. I tend to look
Speaker 2: at this this offense and think that we need somebody
Speaker 2: in that caliber of Addison, a little bit more quick
Speaker 2: twitch than we have out of Naylor. Naylor's fantastic at
Speaker 2: that number three spot and his ability to kind of
Speaker 2: move around. But no, I think that they still probably
Speaker 2: need to find somebody to fill that pill.
Speaker 3: Jaspot, all right, one last hardcore football question during Vikings news. Also,
Speaker 3: since we haven't seen you a lot of firings and
Speaker 3: hirings across the head coaching carousel, what have you liked
Speaker 3: been surprised by? What makes sense what doesn't make sense?
Speaker 3: In terms of hirings and firings. Let's start with Harbaugh
Speaker 3: New York. Yeah, I do. I think I think New York,
Speaker 3: New York doesn't need a They don't need a guy
Speaker 3: to come in and be boisterous like a Brian Daball.
Speaker 3: They need a calming CEO. And that's exactly what Harbaugh is.
Speaker 2: And I think it's a I think it's a really
Speaker 2: good business hire for them if they're looking for a
Speaker 2: good manager of a team, somebody that that obviously has pedigree,
Speaker 2: a reputation, and immediately when he has his first team
Speaker 2: meeting with those guys, like, you're going to be transfixed
Speaker 2: in the fact that, like, dude, we got John Harbaugh
Speaker 2: as our coach. This is unbelievable, right, So I think
Speaker 2: the buy in is going to be immediate. It is
Speaker 2: the type of temperament I think is perfect that for
Speaker 2: that organization. I think Stefanski is actually a great fit
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. I am. I'm curious to see what he's
Speaker 2: going to do with the quarterback situation because Pennex is
Speaker 2: coming off the injury. Obviously, I'm sure he likes Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 2: but there is the age factor, and like, do you
Speaker 2: really trust that he's going to put you over the
Speaker 2: hump and get you into the playoffs and get yourself
Speaker 2: a win or two in the playoffs after seventeen games,
Speaker 2: given his his age and lack of mobility, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I probably think he leans more still towards the youth,
Speaker 2: but he's got Bijon that's exactly the type of player
Speaker 2: that he wants for that offense. I think Mike Tomlin's
Speaker 2: stepping down was probably the right move. You know, they
Speaker 2: are notoriously loyal to their head coaches, and things have
Speaker 2: gotten stagnant. Things have gotten really stagnant there, And for
Speaker 2: a guy that has you know, molded himself and kind
Speaker 2: of transition into more that CEO and not so much
Speaker 2: of a defensive coordinator, like they need defensive they need
Speaker 2: defensive help, like they need to be more explosive on offense.
Speaker 2: They need to modernize and for whatever reason, Tomlin was
Speaker 2: great for what nineteen years, It's just I feel like
Speaker 2: they were stuck in a rut. They need to refresh
Speaker 2: there in Pittsburgh. So I think they'll probably go offense
Speaker 2: with their next head head coach and probably the dude
Speaker 2: from the Rams, the Shieldhouse guy or something like that.
Speaker 3: Right, all right, Fan five In a second, Tom Pelo
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Speaker 3: so we can get his opinion probably in all of
Speaker 3: these things. More of the Power Trip Morning Show after
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