1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Here we go into the four o'clock hour, and Hugh 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Millen has been so great with his time with us 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: this past week or so while Sap you've been gone 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: and we're just calling on him again. 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: More at four, More at four on a Monday with 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: Hugh Breed Love Melon. 7 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 3: Hi you, how are you? What's happening? Guy's good to 8 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 3: be with you. 9 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Good to be with you as well. Let's start with 10 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: the news of the day in the NFL. I mean 11 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: it's coming in at a trickle right now. You know 12 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: it's going to come in in a flood over the 13 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: next week or two when free agency starts. But you know, 14 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: not an insignificant trade today, and particularly since on Saturday, 15 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: ESPN came out and said the Seahawks might be interested 16 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: in a trade for David Montgomery. Well, lo and behold, 17 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: David Montgomery was traded, but not to the Seahawks, going 18 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: from the Lions to the Texans for a fourth rounder 19 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: and a seventh rounder and seven hundred and sixteen yards 20 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: eight touchdowns splitting carries with Jamior Gibbs. 21 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: What'd you think of the deal? 22 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: And would that have been a guy had he gone 23 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: to Seattle that you would have been interested in. 24 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 4: Well, I think that had and yeah, in a scenario 25 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 4: where Canine signs with somebody else and he would have 26 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 4: been available, I mean, he's twenty nine years old. I 27 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 4: don't really think there's a comper going on twenty nine. 28 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 4: There was a time there where people question whether Jamir Gibbs, 29 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 4: who I believe was the twelfth overall pick by the Lions. 30 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 4: There was a lot of questions, why would you do 31 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 4: that when you have Montgomery? And they worked that tandem 32 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 4: between Montgomery and Gibbs pretty well in recent years. But 33 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 4: I don't think that Montgomery is the level of Canine. 34 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 4: So I would have thought that from the standpoint, maybe 35 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 4: contractually that allows you to acquire somebody else that helps you, 36 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 4: But just for a running back, I think a twenty 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 4: six year old Canine in this upcoming year, all things 38 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 4: being equal, is superior to a twenty nine year old Montgomery. 39 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 5: Hey, you, Jackson Bevans. 40 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 6: Here, let's play out the hypothetical that Ken Walker is 41 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 6: not as Seahawk next year. The draft does not appear 42 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 6: to be stocked. I don't know that you want to 43 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 6: build your backfield around a couple of rookies with Zach 44 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 6: Scharboney out anyway. But the free agent class is pretty 45 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 6: robust at that position. Who do you like of the 46 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 6: guys that are out there as far as a fit 47 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 6: for Seattle. 48 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 5: If Walker's not there, well you. 49 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 4: Got Breisse Halls out there, Travis etn Rico, dawdle right, 50 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 4: you know, the Nasei Harris is on down the line. 51 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 4: I don't know that there's one guy stylistically that you say, Okay, 52 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 4: that's the guy. And you know, I think they all 53 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 4: have the requisite, at least those top few guys that 54 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 4: I mentioned, they have the requisite burst to be decent 55 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 4: in the outside zone. You know, I think they run 56 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 4: hard inside. But you know, I'm of the Bill Barcells 57 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 4: school thought. If you remember when when Otis Anderson was 58 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 4: a running back for the Giants, he was he was, 59 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 4: and they kind of rode him to the Super Bowl win. 60 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 4: That was the Norwood Scott wide Right super Bowl win. 61 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 4: And Parcells had he Otis Anderson, who he'd acquired, a 62 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 4: big dude, and then they had you know, Dave Meggett, 63 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 4: a smaller, shifty guy. And so the press in New 64 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: York was trying to extract from parcels Hey Hey, which 65 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 4: one do you like Stylistically, don't you like Otis Anderson 66 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 4: better because he's bigger, and and and Parcells more or 67 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 4: less rebuke that. He just said, Look, this is how 68 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 4: I like running backs, and this is how I assess 69 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 4: running backs. Hand him the ball and see who gets yards. 70 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 4: He essentially said, there's a lot of ways. 71 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: To do it right. 72 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 4: And now, to my eyes, haven't studied these guys. I'm 73 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 4: not going to go down the rabbit hole. Here's what 74 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 4: I'll promise you. If Seattle Hire hires signs one of 75 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 4: these other guys, I will absorb myself in in tape 76 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 4: study of that player, just like I do with all 77 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 4: major acquisitions. By the seven, even modest acquisitions, I will 78 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 4: pour myself into it and I will come on and 79 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 4: I'll give you my assessment of that guy once he signed. 80 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 4: But I'm not going to start, you know, scouting all 81 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 4: these dudes. And as far as the draft picks, I 82 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 4: say from the jump, for twenty nine years, I'll study 83 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 4: the guys that I that we anticipate probably to be 84 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 4: first rounders, but I'm not I'm not going to be 85 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 4: able to tell you the third or fourth round. Alvin Kamara, 86 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 4: he's one of my favorite running backs of the last 87 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 4: twenty years. And he was he a third or fourth rounder, 88 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 4: third rounder right and others. But you know, I wasn't 89 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 4: in the in the draft year with Alvin Kamara. 90 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: I wasn't, you. 91 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: Know, breaking down. 92 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: I wasn't pouring over that. 93 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 4: Tape saying, hey, listen, there's a gem that you got 94 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 4: to get in the second or third round. This dude 95 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 4: out Alvin Kamara. Now maybe if I'm exposed him in 96 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 4: the back twelve or what have you. But anyways, maybe 97 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 4: that's a little bit of a cop cop out. I 98 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 4: will just summarize this. I want the Seahawks to sign 99 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker. He's he's going to be twenty six years old, 100 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 4: and uh, you know, obviously he knows the system. 101 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 3: I think it's there. I think I think it's. 102 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 4: Good for camaraderie within the building that you can you 103 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 4: can tell the players, Hey, if we draft you and 104 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 4: you do things the right way and and you're you're 105 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 4: a good teammate, You're you're stay out of trouble, you 106 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 4: work hard, you're a leader, you produce, you can be 107 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 4: a Seattle Seahawk for life. And you know, to my knowledge, 108 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 4: I am not aware of any check marks that would 109 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 4: be work against Walker in that pursuit. So I think, uh, 110 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker wins all ties against these other guys. 111 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: There was a great quote by staying with the running back. 112 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: There's a great quote by Jonah Coleman at the combine 113 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: who did not run by the way, And I want 114 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: to ask you about that in just a second. But 115 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: Jonah Colemo has asked the importance of past blocking and 116 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: he said, can't play if you ain't gonna protect the quarterback. 117 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 2: I'm paying him a hundred million, You get paid two million. 118 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: Who's more important? 119 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: I thought that was a great quote quote by Jonah 120 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: Coleman that obviously boosted his stock. But how about him 121 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: not participating in any athletic events and waiting until the 122 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: pro day? 123 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: Do you think that hurt him at all? 124 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 4: I think for a guy like him, you know, I 125 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 4: think he had a chance. He probably was advised, hey, 126 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 4: you're not going to test great. Certainly his forty time 127 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: is gonna be in question. The first ten yards split 128 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 4: of his forty time. I would have to think his 129 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 4: advisors are feeling like, hey, the tape looks better than 130 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 4: the numbers at the combine. 131 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 5: Right. 132 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 4: But he shows a lot of wisdom with that comment, 133 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 4: particularly for a rookie, you know, who's trying to get 134 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 4: on the field, and he would be a guy that 135 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 4: you know, we've seen he catches the ball pretty well. 136 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 4: He's not obviously, he's not a big target out of 137 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 4: the backfield, but I think he catches the ball pretty well. 138 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 4: I think he's got a good instincts for where to 139 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 4: go on on screens and find himself lanes to get 140 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 4: passing lanes on screens. So but he's absolutely right. You know, 141 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 4: for young guys, all it takes in training camp. 142 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: You blow one. You will blow one blitz pick. 143 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 4: Up in a freaking drill with the quarterback wearing a 144 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 4: red jersey with Sam Donald wearing a red jersey with fourteen, 145 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 4: he blows one pick up. No, dude, you have the 146 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 4: will linebacker, not the mic. It only takes one of 147 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 4: those and you don't see You don't see the football 148 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 4: for another month. 149 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: I know Jackson wants asking you about a couple of 150 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: Sea free agents, so I'll preemptively ask you about a 151 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: couple of guys that they could sign that aren't free agents. 152 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: And that's JSN and Spoon. 153 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,559 Speaker 1: I mean they still have another year he left before 154 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: the fifth year extension needs to be picked up. Is 155 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: this something that you would just lock up right away? 156 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: And is this something that you think John will just 157 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: lock up right away with for with one or either 158 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: of those guys. 159 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 4: Well, he's on record as saying that the fifth year 160 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 4: that first rounders are I guess from a team perspective, 161 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 4: afforded right that he kind of dismisses that in his 162 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 4: mind for whatever reason. It's a four year contract, so 163 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 4: it would be consistent for him in advance of the 164 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 4: fourth year to try and get the deal done. So 165 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 4: I expect that he's been that he's been budgeting for this. 166 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 4: I think it's pretty remarkable. Oh jeez, do I have 167 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 4: the contract. I know they're at about sixty six million 168 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 4: of cap space and they have under five hundred thousand. 169 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 4: I think it's in a neighborhood of about four hundred 170 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 4: thousand of dead cap money. They've done a remarkably remarkably 171 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: good job. Like if we're throwing flowers at John Schneider 172 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 4: for everything that we see on the field, he deserves 173 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,239 Speaker 4: another bouquet for how he's you know, he's got a 174 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: top ten youngest team, and he's you know, top five 175 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: or six in terms of cap space and some and 176 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 4: one of the lowest, I think, bottom five in terms 177 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 4: of of dead cap allocation, bottom five million. You want 178 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 4: to be in the bottom. So I think he's done 179 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 4: a hell of a job. So I would think that 180 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 4: this this, he's already he's already set the table, you know, 181 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 4: the the tablecloth is set, the napkins, the silverware is 182 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 4: all set. It's there for the signing of those two 183 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 4: guys because you know that they're key. 184 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, for me. 185 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 4: Witherspoon and and I I at the time with the 186 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 4: fifth overpick, I thought they should have taken Jalen Carter 187 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 4: defensive tackle for the Eagles. So it's been has not 188 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 4: been a disappointment at all. But when when I see Witherspoon, 189 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 4: there's not been one day where I have have thought 190 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 4: that I've regretted that because competitiveness is in in sports competitive. 191 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 4: In my opinion, competitiveness is the virtue that the supreme 192 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 4: virtue because it because it is competitiveness, which it is, 193 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 4: derives all other virtues. If you show me a burning competitor, 194 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 4: I will show you a leader. I will show you 195 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 4: a guy who shows physical toughness. I will show you 196 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 4: a guy who shows mental toughness. I will show you 197 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 4: a guy who's dying to prepare in the offseason, not 198 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 4: just dying to win on Sunday. Uh he he will 199 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 4: be team for a guy who is dying, dying to 200 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 4: win at every opportunity and every play is is a 201 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: joy because you get a chance to compete. That That 202 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 4: to me is the center of all uh uh uh 203 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 4: traits for an athlete, and Devin Witherspoon has it as 204 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 4: much as anybody in this league. He is the He 205 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 4: is the emotional fire for that defense. In my opinion, 206 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 4: it jumps out on the page. So so there there 207 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 4: is no part of any discussion of anything other than 208 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 4: placating that man and giving him what he deserves. 209 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 6: You know, I'm so glad that you framed your answer 210 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 6: around competitiveness, because the other thing that competitiveness at that 211 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 6: level does gives you confidence to give a guy a 212 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 6: lot of money that he is not going to lose 213 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 6: the edge that got him in a position to earn 214 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 6: it in the first place, because that's you. Once you're 215 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 6: allocating such a huge percentage of your cap to one player, 216 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 6: you need to know that he's still going to be 217 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 6: that same guy. He's going to continue to improve, and 218 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 6: so the thing is still going to cost a lot 219 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 6: of money for those two guys. Now, extending early gives 220 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 6: you some flexibility, you can move some things around. How 221 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 6: much do the negotiations with JSN and with Witherspoon affect 222 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 6: their ability to negotiate with someone like say Rashid Shihid. 223 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 4: Don't know, you know, I think that the sequence will 224 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 4: be there, you know, the Canines and these guys first, 225 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 4: the guys who are in a contract, but I think 226 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 4: that they certainly are allocating what they think is going 227 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 4: to be the market for JSN. I think Jas Sending 228 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 4: Weatherspoon are both going to be under contract, you know, 229 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 4: if not before training camp, you know, the first few 230 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 4: days of training camp. It seems like could be along 231 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 4: that timeline. 232 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: But I just you know, it's kind. 233 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 4: Of like your household budget, right like, you know, the 234 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 4: first thing you're gonna lop off, Okay, this is the 235 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 4: mortgage payment, you know, and and before we think we're 236 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 4: gonna go to the IMAX on Saturday night. You know, 237 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 4: that's got to come out of all the rest, you know, 238 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 4: and to me, Withetherspoon and JSN are the mortgage payment. 239 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 4: They're they're the guys. Uh, they're they're the non negotiables 240 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 4: in the budget. And you have a pretty good ideas. 241 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,599 Speaker 4: As we said, I think the Seahawks have done a 242 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 4: great job of positioning them themselves to absorb this. This 243 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 4: is what you want, right, I mean you want when 244 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 4: you draft guys in the first round, you want them 245 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 4: to reach the potential and the hope that you had 246 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 4: for them because you used the first rounder. This is 247 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 4: exactly the way you want to go. Now, there's gonna 248 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 4: be some guys gonna have to fall by the wayside. 249 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 4: But you know what, it ain't Jasn, it ain't Witherspoon, Hugh. 250 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: Millen joining us a Hugh. 251 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: There's a there's a rule change being proposed by the 252 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: Rams who were bitten by this original rule on the 253 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: weird Zach Charbonay two point conversion in that game against 254 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Basically, they want any passes that are deflected 255 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: backwards like that one only to be able to They 256 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: want them deemed as a fumble only be able to 257 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: be recovered by the person that fumbled the football. So 258 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: in that particular scenario. Charboney could not have recovered that 259 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: for a two point conversion. I don't really know why 260 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: they care, because that's a sunk cost game, and I 261 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: would think that the Rams have just as good a 262 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: chance to benefit from a play like that in the 263 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: future then be bitten by a play like that in 264 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: the future. But what do you think of the Rams 265 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: attempting to do that and whether there should be a 266 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: rule change. 267 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 4: I might be wrong, Dick, but I think there's the 268 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 4: added element that it's in the final two minutes or 269 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 4: fourth down, or during a conversions or final two minutes before. 270 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 4: So I think that okay for me, I go to 271 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 4: the Holy Roller. I'm sure that's it's readily youtubea bowl, right. 272 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 4: But Ken Stabler against the Chargers, uh, you know, he 273 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 4: was going down into the game. He kind of rolls 274 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 4: the ball for it gets kicked around Dave Casper jumps 275 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 4: out in the end zone and you know, it was 276 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 4: regular season, but it was a pretty significant regular season 277 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 4: and the greatest mascot in the history of sports, the 278 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 4: San Diego Chicken was was, you know, fainting and doing 279 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 4: all these things. It's really entertaining to YouTube. I think 280 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 4: that that rule change that, Hey, hang on a sec. 281 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 4: You can't you can't benefit from a forward fumble in 282 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 4: that sense. I think this is perhaps a sibling or 283 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 4: at least a cousin to that that they're essentially what 284 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 4: the rams are saying is that on a backwards pass, 285 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 4: if it's batted and it happens to go forward, the 286 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 4: only guy who can recover it is the quarterback or 287 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 4: or the player the guy who threw it, which is 288 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 4: what they deemed about the Stabler fumble, which he had 289 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 4: to have been. Stabler would have had to been the 290 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 4: one to jump on on the end zone for it 291 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 4: to be a j touch out. That's how they change 292 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 4: the rule. To me, there's a similarity there. I think 293 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 4: had it had it been in the rule book, I 294 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 4: think it would have been it would have made sense. 295 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 4: I think that if they added to the rule book, 296 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 4: I think it makes sense. I think that it is 297 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 4: so rare. I mean, how long have we all been 298 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 4: combined watched the four of us, uh, the two Jackson's, You, 299 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 4: you and me, Dick, like just the four of us? 300 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: How many years have we been watching NFL football? And 301 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 4: and have you ever seen that? Uh, that type of 302 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 4: play bounces off the helmet even if it had batted 303 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 4: off a hand and gone forward. So so I think 304 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 4: it's probably the right move move. I you know, the 305 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:47,479 Speaker 4: rams there, they subject themselves to the question of you know, uh, 306 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 4: oh you're putting? Are you trying to redress so that 307 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 4: you at a golf tournament you can you can say, yeah. 308 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 3: The only reason the Seahawks won a game and one 309 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 3: of Super. 310 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 4: Bowls because you know they they had this stupid rule, 311 00:15:58,720 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 4: and there's the rule has been changed. 312 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: I don't know their purposes. 313 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 4: I think Sean McVay for the most part, is a 314 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 4: pretty upstanding guy. I think the rules should be there, 315 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 4: so I'm not going to criticize it. I get a 316 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 4: little chuckle like I think a lot of seaf fans 317 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 4: about the timing at all, but I'm I'm far from 318 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 4: exercise about the entire sequence because I think it's probably 319 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 4: a good rule. 320 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: And then the other rule that is not apparently going 321 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: to change this year. And this is stunning to me 322 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: because after it only passed by one was saved by 323 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: one vote last year, I thought the tushbush would be 324 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: dead after the twenty twenty five season, but doesn't appear 325 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: like there's going to be a vote. Should Seahawk fans 326 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: look differently at the tush push now than we did 327 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: twelve months ago because we actually have a player that 328 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: executes it pretty well. 329 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 4: Well, I'll get to that in a second. Let's just 330 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 4: kind of frame the discussion. First of all, in twenty 331 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 4: twenty three, Jalen Hurts was thirty six or thirty nine 332 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 4: on Now. I don't know these are all tous pushes. 333 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 4: These are just plays where there's one where where Jalen 334 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 4: Hurts ran the ball and there was exactly one yard 335 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 4: to go. Okay, got me a quarterback snake. But likely 336 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 4: it was more more likely. 337 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 2: A toush push. 338 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 4: Well, it could have been you know, a read keep 339 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 4: on the on the option R right. But but and 340 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 4: then the Super Bowl last year, so they were ninety 341 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 4: two percent, uh what three seasons ago? Then two seasons 342 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 4: ago the Super Bowl year, they were thirty eight to 343 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 4: forty six. Counting the playoffs, that's eighty three percent. Last 344 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 4: year they were nineteen of twenty eight. So the numbers 345 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 4: have gone down the success, you know, and they're at 346 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 4: sixty eight percent. I still even if a j barner 347 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 4: the barnyard, if if if with one second to go. 348 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 4: If Barner would have had a tous push to win 349 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 4: the Super Bowl, and let's say that was his tenth conversion, 350 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 4: he gets the MVP because of that, I was still 351 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 4: have the exact same take, which is it's it's not 352 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 4: a football play for me. I'm going to quote the 353 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 4: Supreme Court Justice Potter Steward in nineteen sixty four, when 354 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 4: discussing indecency and pornography. He said, I can't write a 355 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 4: definition for what constitutes this, but I know it when 356 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 4: I see it, right, And I don't know exactly how 357 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 4: I would put pen to paper to define the difference 358 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 4: between a football play and a rugby play, but I 359 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 4: know it when I see it. And the quarterback sneak 360 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 4: is a rugby play. I don't think it has any 361 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 4: place in football, and I would feel the same way. 362 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 4: Look if if my take, my takes have to say, 363 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 4: I assume this is the same for everybody. Right, I'm 364 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 4: a open book. I'm not going to be open book 365 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 4: on the radio, but I'll tell you exactly I feel 366 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 4: about religion, about politics, anything, because I want my views 367 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 4: to be challenged. 368 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 3: And if I'm ashamed of my take, then I need 369 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 3: to be challenged. And change my take. 370 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 4: Right, So I'll tell you anything, and it has to 371 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 4: satisfy me intellectually, it has to satisfy me morally. If 372 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 4: my take is so subject to or marked by hypocrisy 373 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 4: that I could sit there and say, well, I feel 374 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 4: differently if the Seahawks benefit, that's a horrible take. And 375 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 4: so no, what I've seen with Aj Barner has changed 376 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 4: my mind zero. I do not think it's a football play. 377 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 4: I think it's a rugby play and I don't like it. 378 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 4: And at a final thought on that, people who say, oh, 379 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 4: you're going to change the rules because the Eagles are 380 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 4: so successful, that was obviously an argument more from a year, 381 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 4: but it's still gonna It's like this isn't going away. 382 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 4: For those who say you're going to change the rule, 383 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 4: I think that's a poor choice of word. It's reverting 384 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 4: the rule from nineteen twenty, the beginning of the NFL. 385 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 4: The NFL took the rule from colleges and that rule 386 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 4: was called assisting the runner. It was a ten yard penalty. 387 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 4: I had some quarterback sneaks when I was quarterback the Huskies. 388 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 4: I had some quarterback sneaks. Was when I was in 389 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 4: the NFL. Every single one of the quarterback sneaks that 390 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 4: I had. If somebody had pushed me from behind, it 391 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 4: would have been a ten yard penalty. It was called 392 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 4: assisting the runner, and so for eighty five years that 393 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 4: was the rule. So we're not changing the rule. More specifically, 394 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 4: we are reverting the rule if in fact we get 395 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 4: to that point. And I think there should be a reversion. 396 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 4: And they had it right for eighty five years. I 397 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 4: think they've had it wrong. And by the way, I'm 398 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 4: on the thirty third team you've had I've listened to 399 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 4: a zoom with the guys that were in the room 400 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 4: that changed that and they said that it came up 401 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 4: because they thought, well, fifteen yards down the field, it's 402 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 4: hard to officiate whether a guy's getting pushed or whether 403 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 4: it's a block. And they said, well, let's just take 404 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 4: it out. It laid dormant for fifteen years, nobody used it, 405 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 4: and then the Eagles, to their credit, they found the loopo. 406 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 4: They saw, oh, this could be exploited. And the men 407 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 4: that were in the room that changed that rule never 408 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 4: envisioned the touch push. They think that they are sickened 409 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 4: by the touch push. I stand with them. I think 410 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 4: it's not a football player. 411 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 3: Get rid of it. 412 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 2: Love it awesome. 413 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 5: Man. 414 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: We'll talk down Friday, Hammer down, Enjoy, Hubreed love Millen 415 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: joining us. 416 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: We come back. 417 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit about what happened on Saturday 418 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: at heck End. The debt left Shrimp good, the basketball 419 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: game bad. We'll talk about that next on ninety three 420 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: point three KJRFM. 421 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 7: Welcome to Krakin Game Day, where you could win a 422 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 7: Hawaii get away for two to Maui with luxury stay 423 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 7: at the Wailea Beach Resort by donating blood with blood 424 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 7: Works Northwest from our info and to sign up now 425 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 7: log on to blood Works NW dot org slash win. 426 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 7: Now It's Krakin Game Day with Safti and Dick. 427 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: Mike Bentnell joined. 428 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: It's a six fifteen talking a little crack and Carolina Tonight. 429 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 2: I went to the game on Saturday. That was fun. 430 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 8: They did exactly what you said on Friday, Dick, you 431 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 8: said on Friday on the show, I'm going to the 432 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 8: game that's right, going to win, and they did, and. 433 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 2: They did five to one. Beast Mode was there. It 434 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 2: was cool, it was a great it was a great scene. Really. Yes, 435 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 2: he was got a massive. 436 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 8: Okay, Tod brought him on the on the screen, so 437 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 8: now wiki brought up so now we know the good 438 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 8: luck charm isn't you, it's Marshawn Lynch. 439 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: Shouldn't give that a way. Shouldn't have given that away? 440 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 3: Should I? 441 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: And what's funny? It was zero zero when he came 442 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 2: on the screen. It was too nothing cracking. 443 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: Later he scored like two goals after they showed peace 444 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: mode on the on the screen. But prior to that 445 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: game and a game that I did not attend, and 446 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: at this point I am really glad I did not 447 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: attend it. It would have been fun to watch the 448 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: debt left Shrimp ceremony. It would not have been fun 449 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: to watch that game in person between the Huskies in Wisconsin. 450 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: A ninety to seventy three loss. Just a brutal performance. 451 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't it just it started brutal. It 452 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,719 Speaker 1: was brutal in the middle, and it was brutal at 453 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: the end. And I think two things can be true. 454 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: Danny Sprinkle is in an absolutely no win situation. He 455 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: had seven scholarship players available for that game. Seven He's 456 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: got a roster of sixteen guys, nine of them were 457 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: not available. So yes, that is true, and yet some 458 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: of the guys that were on the floor were just 459 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what that was from Wes 460 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: le Yates. 461 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 2: He went one of seventeen. 462 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Hannes Steinbach takes six fewer shots than west le 463 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: Yates and makes eight of them. So there is a 464 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: situation with this basketball team where the left hand does 465 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: not know what the right hand is doing, and a 466 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: lot of it is excusable. So, like felt and I 467 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: talked about last week, next year's the year. You got 468 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: a pass last year because you threw away, you just 469 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: threw together a team at the last minute. You get 470 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: a pass this year because you are I would imagine statistically, 471 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: the Huskies are the most injured program in college basketball, 472 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: not just Power five, the most injured, most guy missed 473 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: to injury in college basket. I think it's up to 474 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: one hundred now games missed. So I understand it. And 475 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: yet that was really really unfortunate performance by the Huskies. 476 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: When the eyeballs were finally turned to the basketball team 477 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: because of debt left Shrimp and Jackson. I want to 478 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about about eyeballs and where they're 479 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: turned in this town because I had a conversation with with. 480 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 2: Mark James because I wanted to. 481 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to Mark because he has been 482 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: in East Coast media markets, right, And I simply asked 483 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: him because we have we have a situation here where 484 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: when our teams are good, oh my god, do people 485 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: pay attention? And so I think this is a good 486 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,239 Speaker 1: sports town because of that. I mean, you cannot have 487 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: a goods There's no way for it not to be 488 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: a good sports town when our Mariner fans and our 489 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: Seahawk fans and our Sonic fans back the day get 490 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: as rabid as they do when the team is good, 491 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: That's right. I mean, so I am totally on board 492 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: with Seattle is a good sports town. Can I be 493 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: on board with Seattle is a great sports town when 494 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: when our teams are not winning, Husky basketball cracking for 495 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, Seahawks when they were struggling, 496 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: Mariners when they were struggling, and people just check out? 497 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: Can you by definition, I want to hear in the 498 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: text line four nine four five one, can you be 499 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: a great sports town if you check out when your 500 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: team's not winning? Because I asked Mark, I was like, 501 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: what would they do in Boston if the Red Sox 502 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: had a seventy to ninety two season, would they check out? 503 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 2: He was like, oh my god, not only would they 504 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: not check out. 505 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: It would be probably even better on the radio because 506 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: it would just be fury. 507 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: Everybody would pay. 508 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: Attention to them because they were sucking so bad. The 509 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: same thing with the Patriots, and we just are not 510 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: like that here. So I'd love to get your take, Jackson. 511 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: Can it be a great sports town when the rest 512 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: of our teams, when they're struggling, people just stop paying 513 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: attention to them? 514 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 5: Yeah? I think so. 515 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, this is one of those this 516 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 6: is one of those discussions where it depends on the framing. 517 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 6: I agree there is no doubt that this is an 518 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 6: incredible sports town when the team is doing well. I 519 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 6: also believe that the relationship between sports franchises and their 520 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 6: fans should be reciprocal. And if you root for a 521 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 6: team that is not reciprocating the commitment and the passion 522 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 6: you live in the Pacific Northwest, there's a lot of 523 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 6: other stuff you can be doing here that's beautiful, you know. 524 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 6: I Mean, in my job, I talk with people who 525 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 6: are moving to the Pacific Northwest all the time, and 526 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 6: you ask them why, and they talk about, you know, 527 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 6: proximity to the mountains in the ocean, how beauty beautiful 528 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 6: it is. And we don't have the extreme weather, and 529 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 6: you do not have to worry about acts of God 530 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 6: every year, and all of these things. Three, there is 531 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 6: so much to do outdoors and with your community here 532 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 6: that you know what, I'm sorry if we're not a 533 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 6: great sports town because we don't egg our offensive coordinator's 534 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 6: house or send death threats to opposing players, then like, congratulations, 535 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 6: Boston and Philadelphia, you win. 536 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, we got other things to do. 537 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 6: But I believe that sports franchises need to commit to 538 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 6: their fans and to winning if they expect the fans 539 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 6: to commit with them and win. Seattle's franchises commit to winning. 540 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 6: You hear other players talk about it. You hear former 541 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 6: players talk about what it's like to play in Seattle, 542 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 6: whether that's the Seahawks very famous home field advantage, whether 543 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 6: it's the Mariners the last few years when the franchise 544 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 6: has finally given the fans a reason to lean into 545 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 6: what they're doing. When you hear about basketball players talk 546 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 6: about playing in Seattle in Key Arena back in the day. Yes, 547 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 6: we can be a great sports town without the entirety 548 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 6: of our lives and our moods revolving around the success 549 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 6: of the team. And I think in the same way 550 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 6: that you know, we all know those people who say, 551 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 6: you know, would tell you, oh, they're just super competitive 552 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 6: because they're the ones that throw the controller when they 553 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 6: lose in in a video game, or take their ball 554 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 6: and go home if they're losing at basketball or whatever. 555 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 6: It's like, you know, are you really competitive or are 556 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 6: you just a poor sport? Are you angry and involved 557 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 6: when the team is losing because you are a great 558 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 6: sports fan, or because you are so sucked into this 559 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 6: one specific thing that you're ignoring the other parts of life. So, yeah, 560 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 6: this is a great sports town that just happens to 561 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 6: have a lot of other great things to be doing. 562 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that, And don't get me wrong, 563 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: I would not want to be involved with some of 564 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: those fans that are that off the wall that I 565 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: mentioned it. You know, Ian was saying what in Crosstock 566 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: he was. He had a segment today he was like, 567 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: what pisses you off most about sports? And my answer 568 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: was had nothing to do with the teams themselves. It 569 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: was like the fans that tell me their team sucks 570 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: after one quarter of a one game in an NFL 571 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: football season, right, those are the ones that and and 572 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: I'm and those are probably primarily like Boston Celtics and 573 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: Bruins and like the Philadelphia. 574 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: Eagles fans more so than they are here on the 575 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 2: West Coast. 576 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: So maybe our more laid back nature is a good 577 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: thing because it limits the amount of people that just 578 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: jump when they're when their teams have a bad first 579 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: two quarters of the season, like the Seattle Seahawks did 580 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: against San Francisco in that game that they lost. 581 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, we're talking about balancing commitment versus overall 582 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 6: quality of life. And I'm not saying, oh, we'll just 583 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 6: check out the first sign of, you know, friction with 584 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 6: your team. Part of appreciating the wins is understanding what 585 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 6: it feels like for the team not to be good. 586 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 6: I'm not just saying, oh, yeah, everyone show up for 587 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 6: the wins and and bill for the losses. But also, 588 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 6: I'm not sure I trust your decision making if your 589 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 6: entire mood and everything is based on whether or not 590 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 6: your favorite team is doing well, and so yeah, you 591 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 6: balance it. We come to sports because it's fun and 592 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 6: because there is community involved with it, and because it 593 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 6: gives us a distraction from things. If it becomes the 594 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 6: entire thing, then whether you're all in or angry all 595 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 6: the time or whatever, you know, I would just encourage 596 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 6: some rebalancing. But this is an amazing sports town, and. 597 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: There's more financial investment that has to be made to 598 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: be a fan these days. 599 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 5: That is true, such a great point. 600 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: I mean, just look at Mariners TV now, like if 601 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: you want to watch the Mariners is going to cost 602 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: you a hundred bucks, right, and whereas before, you know. 603 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 2: Maybe it was part of your private cable package. 604 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: And but it goes through that Jackson talk about the 605 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: you know sounders on Apple TV for so long, which 606 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: I now I believe they're going to be. 607 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 8: They removed the whole thing, the blocks. So now if 608 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 8: you just get Apple TV normal, you get to watch. 609 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: You get to watch the Soladers. But I mean, like 610 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: it is more costly than it used to be. Going 611 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: to a game is much much much more costly than 612 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: it used to be when when I was growing up, 613 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: I can go to Ameria game for six bucks if 614 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: I wanted. 615 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 6: To totally, and I'm not gonna blame anyone that wants 616 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 6: to take their family hiking or kayaking or anything else 617 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 6: instead of going to watch a Mariner's game. 618 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 5: When they're hitting two twenty seven for the. 619 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 6: Eleventh straight season, like now, it's like, okay, you know 620 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 6: there's some reason to believe, but there was a long 621 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 6: stretch there where 622 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 5: It's like, I don't know, look around, you got you 623 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 5: got other options.